the debate will continue onli online@cnn.com/crossfire as well as on facebook and twitter. if the left i'm dan jones. >> from the right, i'm s.e. cupp. join us tomorrow for another edition of "crossfire." erin burnett up front starts right now. >> next breaking news. violence spiraling out of control in kiev tonight. americans warned to stay indoors. 19 dead. we'll go there live. plus, show me the money. chris christie cancels a town hall today but has time for a fund-raiser. and mike rowe on his controversial walmart ad. why account champion for the working man is proud to be a sellout. let's go outfront". good evening. i'm erin burnett. we begin with breaking news.

at least 19 people dead in fierce and fiery clashes in kiev. the capital of ukraine. more than 40 police officers, 150 protesters are reportedly injured tonight. these are live pictures that you are looking at in kiev. obviously in the early hours of tomorrow morning. the government cracking down ferociously on protesters who oppose the government's decision to ally wsts putin's russia. vice president respect biden urged him to pull back forces. kiev which has the same population as chicago literally on fire tonight. our phil black is there on the scene and joins me on the scene tonight. how do things looking there now? >> arab, thousands of opposition protesters have fallen back to independent square in the city of the city and here set up lines and barricades, all involved some way in an effort to try and anhold on to this

space because we believe the security forces will try and force them out at some point during the night. at the front, there are young men with homemade shields and behind them, crowds of men and women of all ages beating them with supplies, stones, rocks, chipping away at the road and providing them with ammunition. lighting huge bonfires here, all of it a defensive effort to try and keep the security forces at bay in what has been the most deadly day of violence throughout this. >> phil it, obviously this crisis has been going on for several months but this has really tonight risen to a whole new level when you're looking at the dead and these bonfires throughout the city and as you said in independence square. is there an end in sight as to what aware seeing which is a ferocious standoff now in the streets? >> tonight we know that opposition party leaders are meeting with the president. they've been talking for some

time now, talking for months really and have not been able to -- they want the president to go. they want new elections. they want this country to be closer to europe and he's resisted that. there is a hope i guess that after such a deadly day, after paying such a as we said on the streets in kiev tonight. now to our other top story. show me the money right now, scandal plagued new jersey governor chris christieie is the behind closed doors at a big money private fund-raiser for senate republicans. this is taking place right now right behind these nondescript closed doors in manhattan.

this is a live picture of the harvard club in new york city. the event is chock full of major republican supporters and lawmakers which include senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. for the second time in a row, christie postponed a town hall meeting. the reason given snowy weather conditions in the state. when it happens, it will be the first time he faces questions in person from voters since the washington bridge scandal exploded. he denies knowing anything about his administration's involvement in smutting down lanes on the bridge for political retribution. joining me now steve ot tote bat toe and paul begala. let me start with you, steve. postponing this town hall again, smart or not? especially on the same day you're meeting with very wealthy donors at the harvard club. >> it's complicated. the optics of it, i can understand the argument you're making this doesn't look like.

new jersey as someone had who had to get here to manhattan from new jersey, not easy. if you argue safety first, you want to make sure people can get there safely. i'll aceh this. >> people coming to the town haul. >> here's the thing. you hold that town meeting thursday, there better be a pretty big storm if you're going to cancel it again and here's why. he needs to demonstrate that he is the governor governing the state. those town meetings were in fact, and you know this as well as i do, they were a key part of who he was in the first time and how he got to be the governor who got 62% of the vote over a democratic opponent, right? so he's got to hold that town meeting and answer all the questions. totally unscripted. right? and he's got to be that chris christie but i would argue a kinder, gentler chris christie meaning tough and strong but not as in your face, if you will. but he can't cancel again. he just can't. >> paul, can he do that? can he be that chris christieie that steve is describing?

>> well, you know, i think steve's exactly right. he has to be. i don't think he's got a kinder, gentler gear. steve's been watching him more closely. he was terrific after sandy. that's true. if he could go an hour at a town hall meeting and not call one of his own constituents an idiot, i'll be impresses. he's a real political talent. he has terrific talent. the fact he's being sidelineded. i went to florida. the governor is up for re-election. would not appear with him. he present to the texas. barack obama lost texas to mitt romney by 16 points. the republicans there would not appear with him, not even rick perry who does a lot of dumb things. they're running from him like the devil runs from holy water. that's a real problem for republicans when one of their politicians is sidelined. he can raise a lot of money and that's great but he's fighting with one hand tied behind his back. not able to use that talent to help his party. >> paul, i hear what you're

saying. you know the democratic side well. here's the thing. the republicans want christie out there. he raised a record $6 million on behalf of the republican governor's association in january. that's twice the amount, if i'm not mistaken, twice the amount anybody ever raised in that position as head of the republican governors association. the question is, how do you continue to raise that money while some republican candidates running for governor are like we'll take the money, but listen, we don't have to take the picture, do we? over time, that's going to be a problem. he knows that. my opinion is this. chris christie needs to get the message you want the money, you can't be running from me. and i'm telling you, they want that money. and that doesn't mean they know everything that's happened here or they know how it's going to end. you can't be running from someone if you're going to take their money. >> what also seems interesting, there are plenty of republicans out there, some of whom want to run against christie in the 2016. they? >> the presidential. >> right.

they clearly, they're happy sort of that this is all happening right now, right? but as long as money matters and money is what matters, is that going to be what determines his fate? as long as he can still raise money, he's going to be the front runner? forget what the polls say right now. >> even before the bridge scandal, i've been a dissenter about the notion of christie being the republicans' nominee. i could be wrong, i often am. i never thought, first off, i think he's too regional. i didn't believe he would play well in the south and the midwest. i think it's very likely if he gets out there, he does the same schtick that worked so well in new jersey calling his citizens idiots and does that a nice lady in ottumwa, iowa? no way. he hugged president obama on sandy. he's got positions where the base -- >> incredibly tight gun laws. some of the tightest in the country. >> i think -- i do not think chris christie, the idiot thing

you keep repeating, i hear you. my opinion over the top. i believe chris christie understands some of that language is not only over the top but inappropriate and he can still be a tough, strong, aggressive governor without being rude to people. i think he can pull it off. i think he knows he has to pull it off, particularly now. >> let me ask you about his two-time campaign manager. he fired him aggressively. >> bill stepien and bridge kelly. >> bill stepien is rejecting the subpoena. my question to you is why. there's still this question that people have there might it be something to hide no matter how vo sif i have from usually the governor denies it. >> anyone who says they know why bill stepien or anyone else is pleading the fifth or fourth amendment, you'd better be his an lawyer. i don't know why. but i'll say this. there's the legal process, the legal court system. you have every right to do that constitutionally. if you're the lawyer, you may say listen, let's work out a deal.

if the court of public opinion, let's not kid ourselves, and christie knows this, sooner or later, those people keep adding up who say i'm going to plead the fifth, the fourth, it doesn't look good. it looks like there's something to hide particularly because the governor has said i want my people to cooperate. to the average person, pleading the fourth fourth and fifth amendment doesn't look like there. people have to start cooperating and cooperating to me means turning everything over. >> right. thanks very much to both of you. we appreciate it. interesting paul's thing that he dissents in terms of the fronts runner status. certainly the polls show that right now. >> i don't think the republicans are burning it up with any hot candidates on the other side. >> the star of "dirty jobs" mike rowe called a sellout for teaming up with walmart. tonight he responds. perhaps a vase worth $1 million smashed in a museum. the entire thing caught on video and why some think it's time for

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trying to make a deal with the taliban. there is word tonight that the united states government is trying to negotiate the release of army sergeant bowe bergdahl who has been held by a taliban affiliated group for five years, the only known american prisoner

afghanistan. in exchange, the united states would reportedly free five senior taliban prisoners currently held at guantanamo bay. for his family in idaho, the wait is excruciating. ed lavandera begins our coverage now. >> the only snapshots we've seen of army sergeant bowe bergdahl in nearly five years are from a handful of videos posted by his cap tors. >> let me go. let me to go, just release, get meet to be released. >> reporter: his mother and father have waited and waited for their son's release. they live in the small town of hailey, idaho, this is banner showed the weathered strains of this ordeal has hung outside the coffee shop where he worked before he joined the army. the family has mostly shunned the spotlight but occasionally speaks out publicly in hopes their son can hear their words. >> i will not leave you on the battlefield, beau.

these people here will not leave you on the battlefield. your country will not leave you. you are not forgotten. >> robert bergdahl has become a self-made expert in the pakistanii cultures reading and teaching himself to speak pashtu, the language of his son's captors [ speaking foreign language ] >> but bowe bergdahl's parents have been here before, talk of a prisoner exchange between the united states and the taliban has come up many times in the past, each time the talks have fallen apart. the bergdahls released a statement on tuesday saying they are "cautiously optimistic these renewed talks will lead to their son's safe return. cnn national security analyst peter bergen says is the time is right for the taliban to agree to a prisoner exchange. >> timing is pretty good. the u.s. is the leaving afghanistan. that's what the taliban wants. you know, the united states can sort of say well the war is winding down.

at the end of every war we do a prisoner exchange. the politics around this is better. >> bowe bergdahl's picture since in the u.s. army offices. a reminder the fight to bring him home isn't over. >> have faith. dolt good, would. continue to tell the truth. but above all, have the patience that can be only come from god. we are being tested and god tests those who he knows can persevere. >> its an a test of emotional endurance for bowe bergdahl's family waiting nearly five years to hold their son again. ed lavandera, cnn, dallas. >> jess can i jane duff is a 20-year veteran of the marine corps. press secretary jay carney today said the u.s. isn't actively negotiating with the taliban but clearly something is going on.

i really appreciate your taking the time. everyone feels for the fame here. they've been missing their son for five years. apparently though bergdahl walked away from his base. it's unclear what the circumstances were. should that have any influence on whether the united states does a deal with the taliban to get his release? >> this it is definitely very emotional for the family and however, our military forces are fully aware, when you abandon post you put yourself at great risk. he has not been declared a prisoner of war. lis whereabouts are unknown. that's how he's classified. for the past three years, this has been a dilemma. if we look at releasing prisoners in guantanamo bay, we need to understand these are some of the most egregious of all the prisoners left and remaining. we've already found 60 of them return to the battlefield that we had released. 30 of them d.o.d. has listed by name. are we going to look at more americans and our allies slaughtered and killed by the terrorists?

these are the worst of the worst remaining in guantanamo. >> look, a lot of people share your point of view but when you think about it this way, there have been at least half a dozen prison breaks in pakistan, yemen. thousands of terrorists have escaped over the past year. the numbers are stunning. there are prison breaks happening. you might look at it this way. will trading five more really make the world more dangerous for the united states? >> you know, that's somewhat insulting though to those that surprised their lives. we have 6800 dead in iraq and afghanistan. we have close to 400 who have -- 400,000 that have traumatic injuries. we're talking about missing limbs and brain injury. tell that to their families. because the reality is, that would be like releasing a murderer in the backyard of any one of us. we would be appalled. they have slaughtered our own. so this is troubling when we

look at the outcome to release him and have further future death. >> so but the bottom line is, do you think that then the u.s. government should just let him stay there? >> you know, this is troubling. i don't want to see him stay there. i don't think anybody wants to see him in this

latest numbers, not up to date, 133,000 u.s. manufacturing jobs were lost to china because of walmart. so the what do you say when someone comes to you and says, you're supposed to want jobs in the u.s. walmart's not doing that. >> i'm not a spokesman for walmart. i'm a spokesman for manufacturing. when a company has a reputation, deservedly or not for doing a thing a lot of people disagree with suddenly does a thing people have been calling for for decades. >> investing $250 billion in the u.s. manufacturing like they say. >> it's a quarter of a trillion dollars. it's like a po to the u.s. economy for a quarter of a trillion dollars. now, there are a number of ways. if you want to twist yourself, to feel bad about that. but you can also step back and you know something, i hope they work. i hope this, would. >> are you proud of that? or does any of this -- let's go with the numbers.

sevenmyon people have seen this on facebook. half a million people are involved in this conversation with you. a lot of them mad, some are defending you. >> you're going to say an i'm still proud i did that ad? >> of course. here's my favorite part. you have to think of it in terms of pr and the big criticism is, it's just a pr campaign, dude. they're using you for pr. >> people say too that to you. >> i say sure they are. don't you think maybe it's possible i'm using that, as well? what's it fake for me to get on your show? right? i have to have somebody somewhere get suddenly upset because something feels counterintuitive. now i get a chance to talk about my non-profit foundation and talk about skilled labor, work ethic scholarships, a whole list of things that i genuinely believe are decemberents for the country. >> still to come, much more of our conversation with mike rowe because i wanted to ask him about something really important we've been talking about on this show which is whether he agrees with this. >> this country should not talk

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anderson and look at what's coming up on "ac 360." >> a lot more breaking news tonight. live pictures of kiev where protesters are clashing with police. a bloody day with 19 people both police and protesters reportedly dead. a live report from the middle of the mayhem ahead tonight. also tonight, a hard look at lobbying, not just the thousands of run of the mill lobbyist who's earn a healthy living in washington. you know about those but some of the members of congress whose family members are lobbyists with important committee appointments all that and more at the top of the hour. >> we'll see you in a few minutes. we're back with mike rowe, the former host of "dirty jobs." i want to get your take on some comments that have incensed a lot of people. sam zell the ceo of nick lowell cole miller and tom perkins, venture capitalist. here goes. >> this country should not talk about envy of the 1%. it should talk about emulating the 1%. the 1% work harder.

>> we've got a country that the poverty level is wealth in 99% of the rest of the world. so we're talking about how woe is us, the guy that's making oh, my god, he's making $35,000 a year. why don't you try that out in india or some countries we can't name or something like that, china, any place. >> what i really think is, it should be like a corporation. if you pay $1 million in taxes, you should get 1 million votes. how is that? >> let's start with that one. >> good luck with that. >> i mean, what do you think? these guys are saying they're being picked on. >> i'm with the middle guy in the sense that you have to decide how bad you want to feel in advance of making your argument. context matters. so if you're going to talk about the 1%, you can't do it in a vacuum. is it the 1% of the united states or the 1% of the world? we're in a global economy. i mean, i'm no economist but i'm pretty sure we compete globally. we import, we export.

that's how we measure ourselves and our country. but how come when we're talking about who's in the 1% and who's not, we're not looking at the population of the globe? why do we suddenly narrow it to our country. i'm happy to have the conversation about let's talk about the country. you have to decide going in first, what's the context. >> he's saying what he's saying is true. if they lived in those other countries and made the salary they make here, they'd be wealthy. it seems insensitive to say that. they don't live there. they can't go there. they make minimum wage in this country and can't buy the things they need. >> its an a trap, right? because whenever your argument depends upon some kind of relative comparison, you need to defend the fact that you're making the comparison in the relative way that you are. so it falls in my opinion, and again, what do i know. look, i've spent ten years crawling through sewers, painting bridges, sexing is chickens, milking camels. i work with people who don't

have time to talk about who's got it worse and who is got it better. the jobs on "dirty jobs" to a t were opportunities. and that was the big lesson. that's what people looked at. it wasn't about there's more over here, less over here. it was about what can i do to advance faster. >> so then on that front, let's talk about a minimum wage. because there's a huge fight in washington going on about this. the president wants to raise it to $10.10 an hour. the cbo came out today and said if you do that, you have some jobs that go away but you will reduce poverty. is raising the minimum wage a smart thing to do? >> i'm so flattered that you would ask me that. you know who i am, right? i'm a simple man. >> i mean, and i know this because i thought about how i phrased it. you're not an economist. but you've worked with people. are people going to suddenly say, i'm going to work harder? what do you think from those jobs you looked at. >> my foundation awards work ethic scholarships because i do believe in a very general way that we get the kind of behavior

we reward. so scholarships can reward acdeemia, they can reward athleticism or talent or need. i prefer to reward work ethic. so to answer your question, in a general way, i do believe na we confuse causes and symptoms a lot. and i think right now, a lot of things we talk about as problems, a crumbling infrastructure, a widening skills gap, a trillion dollars in student loans, i think all these things might be symptoms of what we believe and how we feel and the way we've been trained to think. it's just a theory. i don't know. but that was my lesson on "dirty jobs." people used to ask me all the time, how come everybody's laughing? how come everybody's having such a good time on your show? they're covered in crap or something worse. the truth is, because so many of those people had prospered doing a thing that the majority of us would never contemplate. >> and they took -- there was some sort of i'm sure a real

pride in that. >> you were going to say perverse pride and you're right. >> some of the jobs were rather perverse was the only thing i was thinking. >> it's more about taking the reverse commute and feel agreally shrewd about doing it. i believe both these people may be running for president. i think what they both had to say on one of the big issues of our time, income equality is important. let me play them. >> the middle class has been clobbered. they talk about the fact that we shouldn't be talking about income inequality. i think it would be a sin if we didn't talk about income inequality. >> you want income equality? that's mediocrity. everybody can have an equal mediocre salary. that's what we can afford. or do you want the opportunity for greatness? >> who's right? >> i think the last guy a little bit more, only because i think it's a false -- >> don't tell me you don't know who that guy is.

>> i don't want to drop names. i just drove across the g.w. bridge, okay? only took me 20 minutes. i'm okay. the thing is, the idea that everybody who's poor and everybody in the middle and everybody who's wealthy stay there is their whole life. that i don't believe. i think there's a lot of moving back and forth. and i think it's dangerous to say this group is always going to be in this spot. >> before we go, i want you to know i took a very perverse pleasure in doing a very dirty job that you have also done. >> that's a tease. that's a tease, erin. >> i'm going to show you doing the job, me doing the job. we got the video here of this particular job? >> i can't even imagine what's about to happen. >> there's you. that's a camel. >> there is a difference. >> there you go. look at you. >> uh-huh. i've milked a camel. >> you're packed in bubble wrap, what did you think was going to happen to you? you look like a giant q tip are. you going to crawl inside the

thing? that's extraordinary. that's commitment. that's no minimum wage gig, erin. >> all right. thank you very much. >> you should talk to your boss. call osha. there's going to be overtime, perks. >> i'm suing. >> that camel -- get the camel's name. you're going to be very popular down on the farm. >> thank you very much. all right. 89-year-old actress elaine strich appeared on the today show this morning. mike rowe will appreciate this. it didn't go as planned. >> elaine, you are so beloved but as much for your work, of course, but for your mouth. you say whatever you want to say. >> thank god it hasn't been not passed on television. if you just say things naturally, it's fine. they just think and [ mute ]. >> oh, dear. oh, dear. >> she's fantastic. >> she said the f word. hoda and kathy lee flustered.

somewhat offended. not elaine who tweeted, love these broads but no f-ing way they get the last word on this show. the f bomb is being used on the air so often. if you don't believe us, take a look. we've got the proof. >> dozens of people were forced from their homes. good morning. >> i don't know when we're going. near does jim. i can't get this [ mute ] in there. >> we apologize. >> we'll tell you how to get the most. what the [ mute ] are you doing? >> we'll be back tomorrow after football. >> let's get the [ mute ] out of here. >> teens are having [ mute ] -- having luck -- >> at the top of their lungs. >> those lucky [ mute ] from

northwest missouri. >> you don't know what the hell you're talking about. >> they don't watch us play throughout the year, to tell you the truth. >> got to love it, huh? >> i only have one word. fantastic. >> i wish you'd done it. we wouldn't have been able to beep it fast enough. >> never. >> maybe it's time we just child out about that word. up front next, jeanne moos on jimmy fallon. hey guys! sorry we're late. did you run into traffic? no, just had to stop by the house to grab a few things. you stopped by the house? uh-huh. yea.

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last night jimmy fallon made his debut as the new host of "the tonight show. jeanne moos has the story. >> reporter: when jimmy fallon looks back at his debut. he'll remember his parents in the audience, will smith dancing at his side, and u 2 on the roof. while critics will remember it went -- >> fantastically. >> probably a b. >> he was a little nervous but a great show. >> how can it be great when fallon taunts a friend who bet against him getting "the to be the show." out come de niro, tina fey, lady gaga, celeb after celeb with mariah carey pulling her cash

out of her chest. >> welcome to 11:30. jimmy kimmel. >> one unimpressed naysayer posted "when leno returns in 2016 i hope they all return to get their $100 back." the evolution of hiphop dancing instantly became a viral hit. though some sniffed thought was just a remake. of a youtube classic called "evolution of dance" by comedian judson lapley. previously fallon has don't evolution of dad dancing and the evolution of mom dancing with michelle obama, prompting judson lapley to thank fallon for the shoutout. some critics suggest fallon isn't shouting enough, that he's overplaying the role of humble ah shucks host. >> i'm jimmy fallon and i'll be your host for now. >> thanks so much for watching. "ac 360" starts right now.

good evening, everyone. tonight a city the size of chicago is in flames. it has been all night, and the political inferno is spreading. take a look at kiev, capital of ukraine, a country that was once a big part of the old soviet union now erupting over the government's decision to align itself more closely with vladimir putin's russia. the people down in that square right now, independence square it's called, they don't want that. they've been protesting it for three months now. tonight government forces moved on them with force, inflicting heavy casualties and apparently paying a heavy price as well. the numbers vary, but the best we can determine right now, 11 protesters, 9 police officers and one other person have been killed but expect those numbers to change. they've been rising all night. our phil black is in kiev right now. he joins us by phone. phil, what's the latest? >> reporter: anderson, there is still a huge crowd here in independence square.