>> thank you for mr. quinn and rick perry. from a blue state, i am dan jones. >> from the right, i am newt gingrich. join us monday for another edition of "crossfire," and erin burnett "out front" starts right now. next, breaking news. growing protest in arizona at this hour over a bill that legalizes discrimination against gays and lesbians. the phumunchies. a girl sells cook out outside of a pot store. good evening, everybody. out front tonight, breaking news.

banning gays from restaurants at ground zero. the protest has been picking up steam in the past few minutes. people are furious that a state bill would allow business owners to refuse service to gays and lesbians. so if a photographer refused to take pictures of a gay couple they could not sue, for example, and it's not just arizona. lawmakers there are not the only ones that want to pass this type of legislation. protection bills have been introduced in oregon, ohio, mississippi, kansas, tennessee, and oklahoma. and we begin our coverage in phoenix. we are on the ground and looking at pictures. what are you hearing from people? >> reporter: well, they are very upset. they put it together in one day. 300 people out there in front of

the state capital. you can see the number of people here, and they are chanting vote them out and veto. the governor said she will decide later in the week once it's transmitted to her office and that's not expected to hospital until monday sometime in the afternoon, and at the same time down in taucson, arizona, there is a similar protest going on, a couple hundred, perhaps 300 people down in tucson, and they are also at the governor's office there, and people in tucson are taking a light-hearted approach, and there's a lot of anger and resentment here about the bill coming around, and they believe especially the lesbian, and gay and bisexual and transgender community feel it's targeted towards them, and the thing they

are concerned about is it would allow individuals to discriminate against other individuals. >> we have the shots to give people the sense of the outrage. but there are people that support it. it's at the governor's desk. the governor, jan brewer said she will decide next week, and she vetoed something similar last year. what do you think will happen here? will this become the law of the state? >> the veto was during a broad swath of vetoes over medicare, a bigger fight there. it's likely that in the days ahead what you are going to see are the businesses here in arizona -- don't for get the super bowl is here next year, and several businesses already expressed their concern about this particular legislation that if it's signed here, one business group in phoenix said they heard from four businesses saying if it's signed they will not relocate to phoenix.

and we heard in the group not only from politicians but business leaders saying it's not only going to be a black eye for the state of arizona, like sb1070, the tough anti-immigration bill, but it will also affect them financially, that it's going to cause a lot of legal costs that the state could not otherwise afford and they are concerned about all that. >> thank you. reporting live from phoenix. joining me now, a lawyer with an organization that testified before members of the arizona state legislature, and he supports the bill, and paul, a cnn legal analyst. let me start with you, paul. the first thing to do would be to explain why you think it's right and fair that if -- let's just say a gay couple walks into a restaurant, and assume for a second that you are able to determine from how they act that they are gay, why it's okay to tell them they can't eat there? >> well, erin, this nation has

had a long-standing history for letting people freely live out their faith in private and in business. this bill does two things, it protects liberties. if they are concerned about discrimination, it protects people of faith from discrimination. this bill has nothing to do with serving people in restaurants. >> but i am trying to understand, because if you are trying to cite religion to be consistent, wouldn't you say you are a restaurant owner and i walk in with a man, and you happen to know me and you know the man that i am holding hands with that is not my husband, aren't you required if you believe in the bible and commandments to not serve me, too? >> absolutely not. that's not what this bill is about. it's about the people that want to live out their freedom in faith in business, and the

government cannot kau worse him. this is like the abortion pill mandate, where businesses shouldn't be forced to ysupporta government bill that violates their conscience. this was supported by the aclu, and it has been passed by 26 other states. this basic bill was passed by arizona in 1999 substantially in the same form. all this does is extend the definition from person to include corporations, because the department of justice and eric holder doesn't believe corporations have religious liberties, and if the government is not directly involved, a private person can't sue a christian from living out their faith. >> based on religion, i am not going to serve somebody because

they are -- i am okay if they are an adulter, or is this a slippery slope. >> well, a bill was passed segregatin segregating. you would still have segregated restaurants and facilities throughout the state. this law, it's a carefully crafted law to discriminate against gay people. this is the stand your ground to self defense in terms of gay discrimination. it will create a mindset that allows every individual in arizona that doesn't like gay people to find a way to discriminate and think that they are going to be upheld in court under the guides of religious belief. >> some people are going to say, look, you are using religion as

a shield here. you are saying my religion can't serve gay people, but you would be okay serving people who are adulters. why am i wrong? >> because, one, if you read the bill, it doesn't protect any and every action that is under the guides of religion. the bill requires several things that have to be proven to have protection. you have to prove that you have a sincerely held religious belief, and you have to prove it's a religious believe -- >> how do you prove that? >> well, that's the burden of the person on that end of it. you can point to religious tradition. i don't know of any tradition that kicks people out of restaurants for any reason. the bill is still sound. >> is there a religion that kicks photographers out of wedding ceremonies where gay

people are being married? is that in the bible someplace? that's what we are told this law rose from, a photographer that didn't want to take a picture at a gay wedding? >> it's interesting, paul, the majority of the people understand the facts of that case and you are talking about a case in new mexico, and you are asking a photograph to go into a wedding to create a story book, to use the expressive talents, and to be part of a ceremony she didn't believe in. she said i will take their portraits, it has nothing to do -- >> how is that different than a caterer serving gay people in a restaurant? >> well, because it has nothing to do -- they are not being asked to use their expressive tal kwrepbts -- >> creating food --

>> let doug finish. >> no, they can't go out and say i endorse this ceremony that violates my religious views, any more than a jewish caterer would serve pork sandwiches. that's what i am talking about. >> once you say that i don't have -- i have a problem with somebody who is homosexual, and then you open the door to a religious belief -- there could be all kinds of things, right? whether it's race or anything else, and how do you not have this open the door to that? >> the thing that is so interesting about it, most of the people out there protesting did not read this bill. this law is on the books in arizona, and it has been on the books since 1999. this doesn't change any of the concerns. what you have to do, as i was starting to say, you have to show that the religious belief is sincerely held and it's being burdened and you can burden

somebody's religious beliefs if there's a compelling state interest. it moves the burden to the state to show that there's a compelling state interest and a purpose that rises above and justifies the burden of religion, and that the government has taken the least restrictive means to accomplish that. this is a bill about protecting people from being discriminated, which we are finding more and more that people of faith are. so people that are against discrimination ought to be in favor of the bill and not against it. >> thanks very much to both of you. let us know what you think. we will continue to follow this, as we said, with the breaking news in phoenix over the next couple days. and then is the firestorm over or did it get worse with ted nugent? another incident of racism, an old myth. the second one this week. what is going on there? it says here that a woman's sex drive

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did russia steal the gold? that's the question a lot of people are asking after last night's skating. and there was a minor slipup, but she just happens to be from russia. and an update by a reussian in

russia, well, that has some people calling foul. so were the judges wrong? men's figure skating medal winner, and we appreciate both of you being here. jamie, you won silver at the salt lake games, and you got the gold medal six days later. and everybody was talking about it. here is the question to you. could yesterday's competition have been rigged or unfair? >> oh, wow. could you be more blunt about it? you know what? i guess we'll never know until somebody speaks, like they did in salt lake city, but it's very suspicious. we are all frustrated with this whole every time there's a scandal, there is russians involved. you have two judges on the panel, and one is a judge that was suspended in 1998 for trying to fix the dance event, and one

was the wife of the ice skating federation president. doesn't look good. >> brian, what do you think? was it rigged? >> the key word is subjective. subjective. subjective. we're in a judged sport. when you talk about the component levels of kim, they are so high, the sophistication of the way they move, that definitely isn't here, but there was a technical game of spinning positions, and her jumping, and passes, and all were really difficult. but she is not as good in the component, so it brings it here. this is the gray area. which one is worth more. which one should have been awarded more. in my opinion, i got caught up in the moment, too. she was amazing, and at the moment i thought, wow, they are going to give it to her. and then the day after, i think, you know, i don't think that kim

should have been as close to her. >> but as for another reason. brian, it goes further than this. ashle ashly wagner, she was fourth, and so thanks to subjectivity, she got to go even though she would not have technically made the cut, and she was focal of the sport's judging system, and people don't want to watch a sport where you see people fall down and goes above somebody that makes it clean, and it's confusing and we need to make it clear for you. does that come off a little bit has sour grapes? >> i am a big fan of wagner, and her mistakes that she made in the program were not as noticeable, and i think her

scores at least for the free program were fair. i think the once that were not there was for edmonds, her component and technical scores were really -- i think they should have been at a high level. i think she is the one that got a lower standing than she should have. >> jamie, what do you make of the whole issue, wagner being one example of it, but there has been a lot of examples of americans making excuses for their performance, and as a canadian you get to talk about the fact that you beat america twice in hockey today, and u.s. speed skaters bladed their suits, and bode miller blamed the position of the sun, and look, go ahead and criticize here if you want, but is team usa making too many excuses? >> i always like to take the high road myself, but i think it's the best -- it's often the hardest one to take, but i think it's the smartest one to take.

we were always told when we were skating never to make excuses and take responsibility for why you did not do well and take responsibility for why you did do well, and i don't like that, no. >> brian, do you think it comes off that way, that american athletes give this impression, when we don't win we will blame it on somebody or something else? >> i don't think all athletes do that. it's an individual. doesn't matter where they come from. america, canada, doesn't matter. i came from the same upbringing as jamie did. if you have a problem, you keep it quiet and take responsibility for your actions. if there is something that might change an outcome, if a costume doesn't feel right, then you have to change it. you take responsibility for yourself as an athlete, and that's why athletes are so mature in so many ways because they have to take responsibility of their situation. >> we hear your baby back there,

and maybe she will be the next figure skating champion. >> thank you. >> thanks to both of you, we pressure it. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up, canada beats america twice. and president obama loses an enormous bet. and then girl scouts and pot? we have a great story. [ ambient street noise ] ♪ ♪ ♪

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madness in colorado. business is booming for the pottery tailers, and making a killing selling phaeupbmarijuan so is one very smart girl scout. >> reporter: pot and girl scout cookies. what sounds like a punch line to the joke was a business plan for the 13-year-old. she parked her thin mints and tag-alongs outside the dispensary, the green cross. she burned through 117 boxes in just two hours. >> this girl is smart. she is business savvy. she is monopolizing this new market, and taking advantage in a big way. >> reporter: the young teen became an internet darling.

the daily mail calling her one smart cookie, and one declaring her the smartest kid ever as her sales are blazing. the dispensary sells a strain called girl scout cookies, and a local business supporting a storied american institution. this may fly here in california, but ironically, not so much in colorado, where recreational marijuana is legal. the colorado girl scout counsel tweeting about marijuana dispensaries, we don't feel they are an appropriate place for girls to be selling cookies, but the headquarters, the girl scouts of the usa has a different take, saying the girl scout cookie program is girl run and local counsels make decisions on how the cookie program is run, but what is important is what they don't say. they are not condemning the partnership. if the girl scouts are onboard,

the sigma must be going up in smoke for the advocates. >> people are becoming more open-minded and welcoming to the idea of medical canvasses. >> i am sorry. i just young that picture of that young girl. i give her a lot of credit. she is going to be a ceo one day. she is 13 years old. what does her mother say about, you know, setting up shop next to pot? >> yeah, we're all going to be working for this girl. what her mom is thinking, this is a chance to make this a teachable moment. it's unique parenting. she wanted to open up the lines of communication with her daughter to talk about drugs, it's confusing what is legal and not legal, but also to try and remove the sigma of the marijuana. they were going to go back to the pot chop this weekend, but they may not because of all of the media interests.

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tonight, new developments in a story we have been following at the university of mississippi. police are pushing for criminal charges against three freshman males suspected of placing a noose on the icon james meredith. and they draped a flag over the head. we know the fraternity expelled three students today they say are responsible for desecrating the statue. and then a day after the noose was found a black student at ole miss said somebody through alcohol at her from a car while yelling the "n" word. nick, you spoke to the young girl that was harassed. tell us what you found out.

>> reporter: erin, she says she is doing okay considering what happened to her. she said she heard of other black students here that encountered racism, but when it happened to her, she said she was shocked. she took us back to the scene of the incident and told us what happened. >> i was in my car looking for my charger, and when i heard it, i kind of popped my head up and that's when it all -- he threw it out of a gray cup. >> reporter: what did he throw? >> it was [ bleep ]. >> reporter: do you think there's a culture of intolerance here? some people are not surprised, a lot of people are not surprised it happened at ole miss. >> i think people are having a hard time balancing the old one with the new one, and their parents, when they went here, they are dealing with the history being disrupted or

dismantled and they are searching for that back, so they are dealing with change. >> reporter: she says despite what happened to her, she is not having any plans of transferring. up until now, her experience at college has been very rewarding and fulfilling, and she thinks it's one of the best universities in the nation, and we spoke with the chancellor and we had an honest and frank discussion about the culture on campus. he said it's not indicative, and he acknowledges the intolerance and how it has been a lightning rod for race-related incidents, but he said that's not how the university is now and they have gone above and beyond in recent years to have a conversation to change things here. >> of course we will see what happens as we get more information about this slate of incidents. tonight, ted nugent caves to

political pressure. he called president obama a "subhuman mongrel." after that he appeared on the campaign trail with the leading republican candidate for the governor of texas. and then definitely, the gop doesn't want to showcase. here is the reaction from some top republicans. >> it's a free country, but that kind of language really doesn't have anyplace in our political dialogue. it harms the republican party. i am sure it harmed that candidate there, and they should be obviously repueighted. >> i want to bring in the democratic strategist, and a cnn political contributor and

conservative radio host. nugent came on your show today and you asked him about this, and you asked him if he apologizes. let me play for our viewers how he answered that question. >> did you cross the line by calling the president of the united states of america that, and if you saw barack obama would you apologize to him for saying that about him? >> yes, i would. i did cross the line. i do apologize. not necessarily to the president, but on behalf of much better men than myself, like the best governor in america, governor rick perry. >> so you are sitting there bent to that answer and social media lights up and saying, okay, that is not an apology, and so you followed up and let me play that. >> people are saying it was not a real apology, so again, for the record, are you apologizing to the united states president, barack obama, for calling him a

"subhuman mongrel"? >> yes. >> so he did. but that was tough to get him to say it. that's not how he wanted to say it. do you think he is sorry or just pressured into saying so? >> no, i think he wanted to make sure that he didn't hurt anybody that he supports in the campaign trail. we talked a little bit earlier before the interview for a second, and you could tell in his voice, he wishes he would not have used those words, as he put it, 40 days earlier. when you are saying something like he does, he doesn't like the president. that's obvious. he is a rock star guy, and take that into consideration and context here, and he is a guy that loves a camera and loves to give people the sound bite. he said afterwards, i learned from political people around me and i learned this probably hurt people, and i am apologizing and will not use those words in the future, so from a rock star, as he put it to me, this is the first time he ever apologized for anything he ever said in his

career and he said a lot of things in his career. for me it was a different side of ted nugent. >> what is your take? it sounds like a tactical apology, because his words hurt people running for office, and not an apology because he didn't mean what he said? >> i think it may have been the worst apology i heard anybody give. he didn't apologize. to be honest about it, you saw in the beginning what he said, not necessarily to the president, and then when ben pushed him he said yes to the apology ben articulated. he never said the words i apologize to the president of the united states. at the end of the day this is not so much about ted nugent and people like him, and it's about greg abbott and politicians that surround themselves by individuals that are really this extreme and this radical in

terms of the rehetoric. for whatever reason, greg abbott, i have a feeling it's going to continue to haunt him in his race for governor. >> i think it's pretty clear that the greg abbott campaign, if they would have known this video is out there would not have had him come with him at this campaign stop. >> they talked to him earlier, and that's not true. >> hold on. i talked to people in the campaign, and i have been dealing with this for about 48 hours with everybody who is involved from wendy davis' people to greg be aet's people, and from my show and ted nugent today. i know about the history here. they talked to ted nugent after wendy davis flip-flopped on guns. that's why it happened from what i have been told about it. they obviously did not know the quote was out there, and if they

did, they probably would not have asked him to come. obviously now they definitely would not have asked him to come and ted nugent felt bad about that. >> ted nugent continued on your show. he said if you had the chance to talk to president obama, what would you tell him now. he went off and called him a liar, and called him a idiot before, and so greg abbott was fine having a guy who called the president a liar and other things. the tone of what ted nugent said is no different than what he said before. >> this is what ted said today. he said the president of the united states of america walked out there when people died in benghazi and made up a video about a fake video and made up a story about why the protests happened to cover his rear in the election, and he says that is lying, and even hillary clinton lied, and that's when he

talks about being a liar. he said i don't trust him on being stories like that, and put it in the context of that, and it's not like he is saying the governor is a liar, he is specifically talking about that incident and saying i can't trust him -- >> he called him a gangster and idiot and a lot of other things. >> sure, he is a rock star and his name is ted nugent and he is a crazy guy. >> wait a second. when you say he is a rock star, you tkau minutish the role and significance he plays where he has been a surrogate for republicans. >> he is a powerful guy with a lot of people in that party, and that's important. >> he is a surrogate for greg abbott, and it's not what the campaign knew 30 or 40 days ago when the statement was said, it's when it did come out, they did not come out and they yet have to come out to make it clear it's an awful remark and it should be condemned, and they

would not campaign with ted nugent again. they have not said that, have they? >> ted nugent was supposed to appear on this program last night and he cancelled hours before the show, and ben asked him about that and i want to play for you what he said about this program. >> there's nothing to be afraid of with erin, and she is not hateful. >> we re-scheduled and i look forward to talking to him. >> he cannot wait to spend time in yokwroeyour presence on mond. he said tell her congratulations on the new baby and i am looking forward to seeing her on monday. next, get out criminal. death to the criminal. protesters chanting on the streets of kiev today.

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we go to ukraine where the battles on the streets of kiev is being described as a proxy war between the u.s. and vladimir putin. today obama and putin spoke on the phone, and nick, there was another truce today, and obviously a truce yesterday that meant nothing. what are you seeing tonight? >> reporter: we are seeing a change in what is happening on the ground here, definitely, erin. the key thing is the police has been around in the center here and they are nowhere to be seen, and there has been, of course, the parliament passing laws here, and there have been suggestions from the state department official and one leading mp here, the president has left the capitol to the east of the country, and looking to

shore up his support over there. but as seen down on the ground below me in the square, a real somber morning in the past few hours. there is black soot covering the floor, and today they are looking at the bodies of the bed killed in the last 48 hours, and some have concerns if they are going to stick to the terms of the deal here, the president's power could be weakened under it, but at the same time the protesters have to think about moving out in the next couple day and disarm by the end of tomorrow, and concerns whether or not the leaders who signed this deal can sell it to the crowd, and some were jeered when they got onstage and started to talk about it. >> thank you, nick. jeffrey dahmer was a horrific serial killer, and the

man that killed him, and that man had a son. he is speaking out for the first time. >> do you remember when you learned your father murdered jeffrey dahmer? >> yes. it was about 10:00, i saw it on tv, and that's how i found out. >> reporter: so you suddenly see your father? >> yeah, a big picture popped up, and i was just shocked at that point. >> 50% of the kids in juvenile detention have a parent incarcerated. and we're really trying to slow this down. >> reporter: as a retired federal prison warner, pitser spent most of his life around prisoners, and now he wants to help their children. >> it's a lot of pressure on a kid when a parent is incarcerated. >> his foundation helps the children of inmates get a

college degree. one college recipient is the son of the man that murdered the notorious serial killer, jeffrey dahmer, while in prison. >> do you remember the first time you heard >> i herd ard it a lot growing . when i was younger i didn't know what it meant obviously. but that name has been around me for my whole life. >> chris scarver is senior at bethany lutheran college has lived with the secret his whole life but is finally ready to talk about it. he was born just after his father, also named christopher scare scarver committed a murder that would land him in jail with dahmer. it was the cold-blooded killing of a man in milwaukee. >> i always kept that hope that he'd come home. after awhile i just said, i

don't know, it just hit me that maybe it won't happen. and i got mad, and that turned into anger. >> reporter: and then his father committed another crime that ensured he would never be coming home. he bludgeoned jeffrey dahmer and another inmate to death in the prison gym. >> do you ever think about if -- because there's still a question as to whether guards may have set up your father because he should not have been left alone with the other two men in prison. >> no. i think about that all the time. it makes me wonder if he even did it. >> reporter: chris understands, however, his father pleaded no contest to the murders and is now serving three life terms in colorado. but chris said he also knows something else. his father saved his life from becoming one of those statistics. >> i was actually starting to go down the wrong road. that's why i wrote him.

i didn't know what to do. i needed some guidance. and i just told him everything that i was going through and how i felt about me and his relationship, all those built up years, all that pain that i had. i finally just let it go and just talked to him. >> reporter: and his father wrote right back with advice. "tough times don't last. tough people do. and you are the toughest kid i know." chris so credits his father with putting him back on the right road, he keeps a prison photo of his dad on his dorm room door. >> i hit the door like this just to say, okay, this is what you're doing this for. >> jean's with me now. jean, does chris plan to visit his father? >> reporter: he hasn't seen him since he was a very little boy. and he really wants to go. his father is housed in colorado and he has gotten the form to be put on his visitors' list. chris ace senior, majoring in soci

socialology and business. he wants to have his own business at one point. creative corrections education foundation is this scholarship foundation. it's really gaining steam. corporations are jumping on board, universities like the university of wisconsin are coming on board. because the fact is, you've got to break the cycle. and if a child has a parent in prison, that's the role model they have. they can go down that road. so how do you break the cycle? percy pitzer, the former federal warden believes it's education. that's why he's giving out scholarships like this. >> jean, thank you very much. on top next, president obama loves beer. but he seems to love sharing beer. but not with one person. we'll explain.

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pounding and pounding. >> this is the real face of chicago. it's time for the outfront outtake. canada defeated the usa in men's ice hockey. jamie benn from canada scoring the only goal of the game. america's record against canada in the olympics ever since nhl players were allowed to play is now one win, four losses. ouch. and this humiliation goes all

the way to the top. president obama personally lost a bet to canada's prime minister steven harper. president obama tweeted before the game, p.m. harper and i bet on the men's and women's u.s.-canada hockey games. winner gets a case of beer for each game. go team usa." the u.s. women lost to canada, too. today he demanded payment. tweet like i said, team usa is good but we are winner. i look forward to my two cases of beer. this wasn't just a casual bet teen buddies. here's the thing. for years we've been watching this situation. canada's prime minister has done everything he can to get barack obama to pay attention to him. but every time he's been rebuffed. the president's affections and body language turn to other leaders. the president his hand over his face as if president harper isn't even in the room. i mean, here's the president sharing a beer with british prime minister david cameron. it was at the g 20 in canada. there's still no harper.

pretty harsh considering president obama really isn't picky when it come to sharing beers. he loves beer diplomacy on the campaign trail and at the white house. the white house even bruce its own honey ale. the last time the president lost a beer bet to harper he had someone else deliver it, so will he eat humble pie this time and show up in person? i don't think so. coming up on monday, one-on-one with ted knnugent. he called the president a subhuman mongrel. he apologized sort of. why did he cancel on this show at the last minute last week? that's on monday. have a wonderful weekend, everybody. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening, everyone. break news. protests and debate over this. should people and businesses be allowed to claim religious freedom to discriminate? does new legislation build at protecting freedom of religion

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