tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN February 21, 2014 5:00pm-6:01pm PST
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in arizona open the door to anti-gay bigotry and discrimination against virtually anyone? catholic schools are closing their dools in newark, new jersey. why is newark's archbishop making a pricey addition to his vacation home. how this woman turned a nightmare into the best story in a long time. stuck in traffic her baby stopped breathing. she saved his life along with other good samaritans who pitched in to help. she joins us tonight. breaking news out of arizona where a pete of state legislation is making national headlines and bringing protesters out in force. chanting "veto" and showing opposition to a women that could allow business owners to deny service to gay or lesbian customers or other kinds of customers if it goes against their beliefs. it's being pushed by a conservative organization opposed to same-sex marriage. the group says this is about protecting religious liberty and nothing else. the protesters looking live there at them and other critics say it puts the legal seal of
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approval on religiously justified discrimination against groups like gays and less beabi and others. the bill passed the legislature yesterday. activists are urging governor jan brewer to veto it. the economic council today warning of negative effects from the bill. governor brewer has not made up her mind. >> it's a very controversial piece of legislation. we know that. we know it's failed in a lot of states across the country. i have not been in town currently. i've been reading about it on the internet. and i will make my decision sometime probably by next friday because i'll be -- if i do decide to sign it. but it's very controversial. so i've got to get my hands around it. >> that's the backdrop. mick gmiguel marquez joins us i phoenix. miguel what is happening now? >> reporter: this is demonstration's been going on
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for a couple of hours now. several hundred people, anderson, out in front of the capital building here. they have been chanting veto this bill, stop the hate, and get rid of their legislature essentially all afternoon. the concern for people here, the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community of arizona is because there is no nondiscrimination protection for them state-wide. they feel that they would be made a special class by this particular piece of legislation and it would allow businesses to discriminate against them on a wide variety of ways. everything from a restaurant to a hospital to a clerk to whatever sort of service one can imagine. proponents of the bill say that is just not true, that this bill basically protects people who believe deeply in their religion and that it would not be able to do that because the person bringing that issue would have to prove a series of tests basically before they would be able to do that. so they just say it's not true.
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the truth probably lies somewhere in between. but clearly the passion is out on this. anderson? >> and when is jan brewer expected to rule on this? >> reporter: it is expected to be transmitted to her office -- you can hear them shouting veto right now and chanting -- is expected to be transmitted to her office on monday afternoon. next monday that. would give her then five days. so tuesday through saturday. saturday midnight she would have until. she told cnn earlier that she would sign it by friday. we do know the business community, though, across arizona, the super bowl is coming up here next year, there are already concerns being expressed by businesses that they say that if this bill passes they will not relocate to arizona. the business community wants to meet with jan brewer to emphasize that they don't want the black eye that this bill would give the state. very much a perception problem for them. but they also don't want the legal issues that would come along with it and the great expenditures the state would have to do in defending it, anderson? >> miguel marquez, appreciate
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it. a number of of other states have considering similar legislation, recently stalled in kansas, died in south dakota and tennessee. joining us now is arizona state representative john cavanaugh who voted for the bill. and new york university law professor kenji yoshino. congressman, i want to start with you. if i own a bank in arizona and i'm catholic and under this law, can't i decide not to give a loan to a gay person or say an unwed mother, someone who's been divorced, as long as my faith is deeply felt? and i argue that loaning money to one of these people is a substantial burden on my beliefs, that i don't want to get into business, it's not trivial or technical or minor burden, a real burden to get into business with an unwed mother if i'm a catholic loan officer? wouldn't that be legal under this bill? >> absolutely not. >> why? >> under this bill -- this bill is not a new law. this bill is a law that was passed in the 1990s. it mirrors a federal law called the religious freedom restoration act.
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and all this law does, it says that before the government can put a burden on religion, a substantial burden on religion, they have to prove a compelling interest in doing so. and they have to do it in the least restrictive way. the law has been in effect since the 1990s. what we did the other day was put several tweaks to it. >> essentially the law is about churches or organizations. this allows individuals, small businesses, to basically -- to make decisions based on their religious beliefs. so again, what is this for? what in this law is preventing a catholic loan officer from refusing a loan to an unwed mother because it deeply goes against his religious beliefs and that's what he argues? >> because we wrote into the law to make sure that people weren't concerned about this that the religious belief has to be sincerely held -- >> so a sincere catholic loan officer. doing a loan with somebody is a
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substantial burden that's going into business with somebody. >> no, it's not. let me give you an example. a substantial burden would be if you tell a roman catholic priest they must officiate at a gay wedding. >> sir that's not in your law. a substantial burden is defined as a burden on their beliefs not trivial, technical or minor. >> that's correct. >> so going into business with someone, loaning them money, that's not trivial, not technical, not minor. >> that is not a substantial burden. let me give you an example. >> how are you to judge that? that's not what it says in your law. >> it will go to courts. but the courts have been ruling on what is a burden going back decades. >> so you've written this law with the knowledge that this is just all going to end up in court. going to end up costing a an awful lot of money. >> we have not changed the standards. the standards are the same under federal law which the aclu supported. it has to be a substantial burden.
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that's already case law. [ overlapping speakers ] >> you have to explain how loaning money to somebody or entering business with somebody or for instance i'm a bed and breakfast owner. and i'm a christian. i don't want someone sleeping in my house in my bed and breakfast who is an unwed mother or single mother. that's not trivial. >> no. let me give you an example with a substantial burden. let's take the case of a photographer. this was one such case. if you make a photographer foef photograph say a gay wedding where he becomes involved in the celebration, the process, that's a substantial burden. [ overlapping speakers ] >> if a gay couple walks into his studio and gets a passport photo that is not a substantial burden. that's where the law is now and we're not changing it. >> under your argument, being a wedding photographer at a wedding is a substantial burden, but going to business with someone loaning them money and being involved with them on an ongoing basis far more than just a wedding that's not substantial. i want to bring in our law professor over here.
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>> you are not using your money to affirm their lifestyle. you're giving them money to buy a house or buy a car. there's not religious about that. >> that's not affirming their lifestyle? not allowing them their lifestyle? >> kenji, what do you think about that? >> that's a lot different than going to their wedding and celebrating it. >> kenji, under this law if i'm a catholic loan officer candy s -- can i say i'm not going to give a loan? >> i think where this argument falls apart he's saying in his opinion this would not be a substantial burden. it's actually not his determination to make. what constitutes a substantial burden will come up on a case-by-case basis determined by a particular court. if you get a court that thinks this is a substantial burden for the loan officer not to give a loan to an unwed mother or gay couple that court is going to say that's a substantial burden. the representative also mentioned earlier case law. this goes back to the 1960s with
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the supreme court, 1963, sherrbert versus yoder. $5 fine deemed to be substantial to an amish school child. >> congressman, you point to this case in new mexico of a wedding photographer who was asked to take photographs of a wedding of a gay couple, chose not to, end up getting sued. in new mexico, though, there are statutes preventing discrimination against gay people. and that's why this case was brought. in arizona there are no such statutes. so it's actually legal right now to fire somebody because they're gay in arizona except in a couple of cities that have enacted statutes. so i get why you're doing this. but i don't see the need for this bill. there are plenty of protections for people who have sincerely held religious beliefs. where is the huge amount of discrimination against religious
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people as opposed to the current discrimination that exists in arizona against gay people? >> well, this is not solely a gay issue. in fact, most of the cases under the religious freedoms restoration act involve native americans. this covers anybody. the catholic doctor who doesn't want to do an abortion. so it's not just about gays. >> i'm well aware of that. >> we did not make one change to the language of what's allowed and what's not allowed. all we did was we made a change as to that it's no longer just an individual that's protected, it's also groups of individuals, and we said it's not just direct government action, it's if somebody sues under a government law. >> right. >> we didn't change the underlying law that's been found constitutional at the federal and state level for 20 years. so i don't see what the minor tweaks yesterday suddenly create an unconstitutional crisis. >> kenji, are these minor tweaks? >> no. just to start with the notion that we're moving from governmentally sponsored legislation to individual. what the religious freedom restoration act said is you
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cannot substantially burden an individual's sincerely held religious beliefs. now the government is out of the picture. and even an individual discriminating against another individual based on sincerely held beliefs is going to be protected. >> anybody for their religious beliefs. there are hundreds of different kinds of religions in this country. people say have all sorts of different beliefs. white supremacist who has part of the christian identity movement could make an argument that discriminating against a particular unwed mother, again somebody who's not protected by federal statutes, is against their religious beliefs. >> exactly right. here i would quote the words of the great justice scalia in a debate he had with justice breyer, he said france is a country with 300 cheeses an two religions and we're the opposite, 300 religions and two cheeses. opens the question of what the other cheese is, right? but who wants to negotiate and live live in a world like this, we have 300 religions including
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say the satanists who can say i sincerely hold this belief and you're substantially burdening it. it's very hard for an individual whether gay or unwed mother to navigate that world. >> representative cavanaugh, do you think jan brewer is going to sign this? >> absolutely. she was concerned about vagueness in the law last time. that language was tightened up. we used an arizona supreme court standard that tightened the law even further that explains how a bogus claim can't be done. a guy tried to claim he could smoke marijuana because of his religion. the court said that's not a sincerely held belief. that's ridiculous. they say you can be prosecuted and we used the same language so that we don't have bogus charges used as protections. >> it's not up to you define what a substantial burden is. >> the courts have done it already. since 1990 they've done it. we haven't changed the definitions of the law. we're just changing the fact that now it also protects groups instead of just individual people. and that's already part of
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arizona law elsewhere. >> kenji. >> the language has shifted. originally he was saying we determine what the substantial burden is. now he's saying the courts determine what the substantial burden is. that's a shift. second of all i would say when he says the courts have decided this, the courts have decided it but they haven't decided it in a uniform way. there's been a spread. so some courts have said yes, we believe that the church of marijuana isn't a real church, right? but other churches have said, yes, native americans who want to smoke peyote are a church. so you or i may agree or disagree with any one of those determinations. but there's a spread. >> does the professor oppose the federal law? is the federal law also racist? because ours is the same as the federal law in definition. >> no. i actually did oppose the federal law first of all on establishing ground as well as equal protection grounds. so i think i've been consistent in that. i also want to note reiterate what i said before which is that this law goes significantly further. what you're calling tweaks are actually a massive
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metastasization. >> thank you very much. obviously not the last we'll be reporting on this. political deal in ukraine that caps a week of bloody clashes between police and protesters that left dozens of people dead, threatened to tear the country apart. it is quiet tonight. we are learning more about how the agreement was hashed out among ukrainian leaders, opposition figures and representatives of the european union. heavy pressure. mr. obama spoke for an hour today with russian president putin, the two exchanging views on the need to quickly implement the agreement and all sides to quote refrain from further violence that. agreement which trims presidential powers and revises the constitution is being put to the test as we speak. nick paton walsh is there in kiev gauging the reaction. the latest truce provided some hope. i imagine hopes are still very raw. what's the latest on the ground?
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>> reporter: on the ground it's very quiet behind me. there are still a lot of people in the square. there's soot, ash across the floor of that square. we've seen coffins brought through. police nowhere to be seen, really. very distant at all as mostly protesters around parliament, the presidential administration here. when interestingly the opposition leaders came onto the stage here and tried to talk to the protesters about the deal they just signed, a lot of them would yejeer. a lot of people not happy about the concessions made and that president viktor yanukovych is still in pour. >> -- power. >> it sound like everybody is still in the square? >> reporter: that's absolutely right. a lot of people still down here. we are waiting to go see if they honor their side of the deal 48 hours from when this deal came into implementation. they should start clearing out public spaces by 4:00 tomorrow. they should start disarming or they may face consequences under
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the law under this deal. for president viktor yanukovych his power weakened by parliament, there are questions about precisely where he is right now. state department officials saying maybe he's left the capital for the eastern city of harkiev. that's been suggested by a leading opposition m.p. here. a country really on the balance right now. >> so much anger, so much bloodshed, so much loss of life. will any agreement that leaves the president in power be accepted ultimately by the protesters? >> reporter: so far it looks like there was some who refused to accept that. they say unless he's gone by 10:00 tomorrow morning they will quote do something. suggestion move occupy some buildings around here or take some further direct action. that's really the flaw in this deal. that's why the leaders who signed it got jeered. they now they've weakened his powers. but he can still be in that post until december despite being weakened. protesters worry he could
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persecute, prosecute them or regain his hold on power. this is very much a deal that's been signed but it's implementation in the next two days ahead is where it could possibly fall apart. >> let us know what you think. follow me on twitt twitter @andersoncooper. coming up next, the archbishop's house. critics say he's living like a prince among paupers. they're closing schools in newark but he's building this fancy house. later the woman whose quick action saved her baby nephew's life. we'll talk to her ahead. ♪ [ male announcer ] she won't remember this, being carried in your arms. but after a day spent in the caribbean exploring mayan ruins and playing pirates with you in secret coves, she won't exactly be short on memories.
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to follow the example, to embrace modesty. he has done it in his own example to put aside in his words the psychologies of princes and prune the vineyard of life from that which was mereless use les foliage and go straight to the essentials. that's what he is all about. which raises a question into which category does a 4500 square foot vacation home fall? what about a parochial school serving some of the country's needless kids? the school run by newark's new jersey archdiocese was shut down for lack of funds. the archdiocese also paid to build a vacation home for the archbishop, john myers, and far from being pruned it's getting a half million dollar addition. it's not big enough apparently. 360 ace randi kaye tonight keeping them honest. >> reporter: it's a sprawling five-bedroom, three-bathroom pool with a pool. it sits at the edge of this private road in this tiny hamlet of pittstown, new jersey. it may surprise you who lives here. john myers, the archbishop of
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newark, new jersey, has been using it as a weekend getaway but soon will live here full time. parishioners are questioning why the church's money is being spent on this. >> they should give to it charity before they build a beautiful house. >> reporter: a house that's about to get even bigger. it was first bought by the newark archdiocese in 2002 for $700,000. now they've begun a major renovation, a 3,000 square foot addition costing at least another half a million dollars. it will include an exercise pool, a hot tub, library, and a second elevator. once done, the home's size will jump to 7400 square feet. and its value? at least $1.3 million. >> if you could sum up this type of spending in one word, what would it be? >> extravagant, scandalous, and outrageous. >> reporter: robert hotzen used to be a priest with the newark archdiocese. he has long been critical of the
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church and says archbishop myers needs to get his priorities straight. >> a priest should never be living in a home that is that elegant. he's going to need a staff to maintain that home. and if he's going to be 75 in two years he's certainly not going to take care of that building by himself. >> reporter: you don't have to look very far to see where all that money may have been better spent. schools, nursing homes and hospitals have all closed. the homeless and the poor are also in need. this school closed back in 2011. the archdiocese blamed it on low enrollment, telling us enrollment dropped by one-third in just the first two years. but hoatsen says if the archdiocese had given the school more money they wouldn't have had to raise tuition, which he says was the real cause of lower enrollment. in a statement a spokesman for the archdiocese explained the church had pumped $300,000 annually into the school. adding, the archdiocese was unable to continue to provide
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such a significant subsidy to a single school. >> my god, they could put the school back into business again. what did they need such a big house for the archbishop? >> reporter: keeping them honest. this isn't the first time archbishop myers has gone on a spending spree. back in 2001, the archbishop remodeled his residence and air conditioned the cathedral. the price tag? 2 million bucks. the church said the money was donated. the archdiocese says the funds for the archbishop's home are also coming from donations, and sales of other residential church properties. >> doesn't this go against everything that the pope has been sending in terms of a message? >> absolutely. the pope has told bishops and priests to smell the sheep, smell the flock. in other words, get down and dirty with the people that we're sent to serve. >> reporter: the only way to touch the hearts of the people, he says, is to be one of the people.
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randi kaye, cnn, newark, new jersey. >> i want to dig deeper now on the story with michael powell who's been writing about the story. of the "new york times." also director of university center for church management and business ethics. michael, i've read your stuff on this. the archdiocese is saying look this money isn't coming from parishioners, coming from donations, coming from the sale of properties. but still, it's money that could have been spent in other areas >> yes. i mean, it's church property. so at some point you got those church properties, you obtained them by buying them. you used the money of parishioners. it's a strange distinction. i must say it kind of eludes me. they got -- they have money. they obtained money from both wealthy parishioners and of course people who put a few dollars in that plate every week. >> it's also -- he's already renovated his house. this is now a second house that he's going to i guess move into full time. the house looks quite lovely as it is without the addition.
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but i mean, there's a whirlpool, an indoor exercise pool as well as a pool outside. three fireplaces. it's pretty extravagant >> yes. they made a point of telling me it wasn't a hot tub it was a whirlpool. point taken. >> i'm not sure what that distinction is. >> call it what you will. >> he has not take an vow of poverty so it's not violating that. but certainly from a perception standpoint. >> it's very interesting. i looked it up. it's in a different diocese. the diocese of metuchen. the former bishop where this vacation home is, when he retired he went to a very humble home, lived with some other priests, apparently, in a place that was spiritual and frankly much lower key and less extravagant than this. so i mean, it's not as if there aren't bishops out there who are make a decision to live more humbly. >> you look at the pope not
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living in the official residence. charles you say this bishop isn't paying attention to the pope's message. >> absolutely. he's one of those archbishops who predates the pope, obviously. and near retirement. he's really not paying much attention to what the pope is asking. >> why do you think that is? has he spoken publicly about this? obviously his spokesman is the one who has the unenviable job of trying to explain this to pa parishners. >> to my knowledge the archbishop has not spoken publicly about this for good reason. it's very hard to defend. >> michael you've gotten a lot of e-mails from catholics across the country. what's been the response? >> i've gotten a stunning number of e-mail. i find it hopeful from the point of view of the church in that people are both quite angry, which is it strikes me a good thing in that they're not simply resigned at it, and also i've been struck by how many -- and i've received literally hundreds of e-mails -- from people saying
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i'm going to send this to the pope. i'm going to send this to the pope. not jubecause i want to rub it t because he's going to feel my anger. he's going to feel this sense of abandonment by this bishop. so i would in a strange way i would kind of take that as a good sign for the church. >> that people are re-engaged in a way in the church that they're not accepting this. >> precisely. they expect better of their church and their sense is that their church perhaps at the very top expects better, too. >> charles, do you see also that as a hopeful sign, the fact that people are saying to michael, i'm going to send this to the pope? >>. >> i too have received the same sort of e-mails and telephone calls. people at one time were pray pay and obey catholics are taking exception to this. one woman told me when she challenged the spokesperson for the archdiocese she was told the archbishop only reports to the
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pope. in other words, parishioner opinions matter little. that alienates people. just ahead tonight, a baby stops breathing in the middle of a traffic jam. driving your car, your baby stops breathing. good samaritans step up to help hispaniced aunt who was driving the car. tonight she describes how the nightmare unfolded. that's her giving mouth-to-mouth to her nephew who survived. caught between two countries, wanted by neither, kim lah takes us inside a place called pergatory to the people who live there. and this will be your premium right here.
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a 5-month-old baby in miami is alive tonight thanks to his aunt, emergency responders and the kindness of strangers. sebastian de la cruz is in the hospital in stable condition after a scare that can only be described as nightmarish. pamela rauseo was struck in traffic with her nephew strapped in a car seat in the back when the baby stopped breathing. pictures tell the story. a frantic pamela screamed for help then repeatedly did cpr on her baby nephew as police and strangers came to her aid. the very heroic pamela joinses me. >> pamela, explain when you realized something was going wrong with your nephew. >> i was driving. and he was sitting down directly behind me.
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so i couldn't see him. and then he stopped crying. and that concerned me. because usually when i'm in traffic, if the car's not moving he'll start getting fussy. and once the car starts moving he'll calm down. so i didn't understand why he was calm when we were at a standstill. and i pulled over and put the car in park and i jumped back to check up on him. he was pale and unresponsive. so i quickly got him out of his car seat. i went back up to the front with him. all the time like calling him to see if he would respond. and at the same time i was trying to use the on star system in the car to dial 911. but i was just too nervous. >> was he turning blue? >> he was blue. he was blue. and then he was purple. >> oh, my gosh. and you began asking for help, calling out. >> i got out of the car
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immediately and i started screaming, asking for help. and kind of like signalling that it was for the baby. like look, i have this infant in my hands. somebody help. two people came. skid them if they knew cpr. they said no. i asked them to call 911. they did. and the lady, she was amazing. she helped keep me calm. she kept telling me that he would be okay. but since they didn't know cpr, i dropped down to my knees and i started doing what i thought was right. >> had you ever taken a class or anything? >> i had. >> wow. so did you remember everything or just a few things that you just started to do? >> listen, i was a hot mess. if my life depended on it i cannot tell you what i did but i don't think i did what i was supposed to do. i don't know how it worked.
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>> a photographer happened to be there as well. once he saw help was there he started taking pictures. these photos are just extraordinary. was the baby conscious when he was turning blue were his eyes open at all? >> no no. . he was completely -- his eyes were closed. he was completely unresponsive. the baby regained consciousness again as i was performing cpr on him. and then once he regained consciousness, fire rescue was there. they then took the baby from me and they were wonderful. >> do you know how long this went on for? i mean, i know in these situations it's hard to tell time often. do you have a sense how long you were doing this for? >> if you ask my imagination i'll tell you it was like ten years. that's how long it seemed. i'm guessing it was maybe six, seven minutes, the whole ordeal from the moment that i got out of my car. >> and how is sebastian doing now? >> he's stable, thank god. he's still in the hospital. the doctors are still running a
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series of tests to determine exactly what it is that's causing him to have difficulty breathing. >> well, it's certainly not only extraordinary what you did but also it's just a great sign that there were people who in this situation were out of their cars on a highway willing to help. so many times when we hear horror stories of people ignoring things. it's great this brought out really the best in people. i'm so glad sebastian is doing okay. we wish him the best. pamela, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> amazing story. we wish pamela obviously and her whole family well. here are some recent family photos. incredibly beautiful family. so many people rooting for sebastian, we hope he'll be out of the hospital and back home very very soon. one other note, the sweetwater police department says the chief is recommending the officer who responded, morris pestedas for officer of the month for his work helping pamela. randi kaye is back with the 360 bulletin. >> venezuela's president is again suggesting u.s. is stoking
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anti-government protests throughout his country. at a news conference this evening, president nicolas maduro challenged president obama to start direct government to government talks. the sigma phi epsilon fraternity has suspended its chapter at ole miss after three freshman members are accused of putting a noose around the statue of civil rights icon james meredith and leaving a flag what confederate symbol. the school wants the three students arrested. in the nation's capitol, a newly released internal report shows five firefighters heard that this man had fallen across the street from their fire house last month, but none went to help him. an ambulance then went to the wrong part of the city. cecil mills later died at a hospital. under armour has extended its exclusive contract with the u.s. speed skating association through 2022 despite controversy over the suits worn at the sochi olympic games. no american earned a medal there, sparking concern the skin
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suits were to blame. and veteran broadcast news man gary rick utley has died of prostate cancer. he was 74. he reported from more than 75 countries during a career spent mostly at nbc news. he opened nbc's bureau in vietnam back in 1964, and in 1997 he moved to cnn as a contributor. anderson? >> what an amazing career and life he had. randi, thanks very much. ahead tonight, deported by the u.s., unwanted in mexico, they now spend their days in a place they call purgatory. a sewage canal on the border stuck in limbo between two countries that don't want him. a new star for some of sochi's stray dogs. u.s. olympian gus kenworthy joins me to talk about the five lucky dogs he is bringing home to colorado. [ male announcer ] this is the cat that drank the milk... [ meows ]
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a new report out this montshos that nearly half of illegal immigrants facing deportation from the united states are winning their cases the highest percentage in many years. nearly 2 million immigrants have been deported under the obama administration. tonight's kyung lah shows us where some of them end up. >> reporter: in one week, miguel valdez went from an american life to a life he never imagined, dragging everything he owned to his new home, the tijuana river channel. >> do you even speak spanish? >> not very well. >> reporter: but he's learning
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as he begs for food in mexican shelters. valdez is not an illegal immigrant. his parents crossed the border to the u.s. illegally, bringing him along when he was four. valdez got a green card, a college degree and a job as a computer programmer in los angeles. so how did he end up here? as an adult, he didn't get his u.s. citizenship. so when he was arrested for drugs and illegal possession of a gun, the u.s. government could and did legally revoke his green card and deport him. now he's here, no money, no mexican friends or family, and no i.d. for either country. >> this feels like a foreign country to you. >> it just feels, i mean, being so close it feels just like the gate itself is like so far away. even if i was standing right next to it. >> reporter: we can see the fence from this place called el bordo, or you might call it hell on earth. those who dot this canal call it
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purgatory. the border's purgatory. a place without religion, order, and in many cases hope. they were ejected by the u.s. as are unwelcome in mexico. stateless and stuck between the two countries. this is literally a sewer. it flows through tijuana. so all the city's garbage ends up here. there are no official figures of how many people live here, but advocates estimate it's about 4,000. and most, they say, are deportees. coping as best they can, says fernando miranda, he's draining water out of his house, if you can call it that. it's a hole he's built with the canal's debris. >> it's really small. >> yeah. >> this is just plywood? >> yeah. >> you sleep here. >> yeah. >> you realize we're standing in garbage. >> reporter: we're surrounded by it, miranda says. "i found the wood in the sewage water. everything here is trash."
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miranda used his construction skills from working 25 years in silicon valley's housing industry to build this solid hut, held together by, as you can see, shoestring and torn t-shirts. it's as close as he can be to his four children on the other side of the border. the undocumented worker was deported nearly three years ago after a traffic stop. >> so no u.s. passport and no mexican i.d. >> nada. >> nada. this is your door. >> reporter: he says mexicans discriminate against deportees like him because he lived in the u.s. for decades. his home is purposely hard to see because the tijuana police constantly harass him and everyone else in el bordo. through the canal.s driving - they would not speak to us, and the tijuana police would not give cnn an interview. but they have openly called the deportees criminals and a public health threat to tijuana. >> it's a no man's land. mexico doesn't want you and the u.s. sure as hell doesn't want you. >> reporter: barajas is a
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deportee, a u.s. army veteran of the 82nd airborne. he says he was honorably discharged but he admits he's not an angel. he was arrested for shooting an illegal firearm. that is a felony. his green card was revoked and it's taken him years to get back on his feet in mexico, a place he left as a young child. >> when you get here, you come with nothing. so you probably spent four or five days in detention. you look like you're homeless. there's a lot of american people here. >> reporter: they may feel like american people, but they're not american. and that's a frustration. trapped in a place both governments want to forget. kyung lah, cnn, at the u.s.-mexican border. >> just ahead tonight, saving sochi's stray dogs. why bring home just one when you can save a whole family. that's how a u.s. olympian gus ken worthy saw it. he joins me to talk about the five dog, mom and puppies he fell in love with and that he is bringing home.
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athletes are giving them a home. gus kenworthy of men's slope style skiing is adopting a mom and her puppies. he fell in love with the whole family. the dogs are still in sochi, russia but will be joining him shortly in colorado. gus is back in the united states. he joins us tonight. >> these puppies are unbelievably cute. how did this happen? >> i had a friend that was out in russia doing some media stuff during the olympics. he knows that i'm just dog crazy. he texted me a photo of the dogs. and i basically just ran over and had to check them out and instantly fell in love with them. >> did you have dogs growing up? >> when ways really young we weren't allowed to in the house because my mom. >> dude you're still really young. >> when i was really really young we couldn't have dogs in my mom's house because she lives in a restricted area. you just can't have dogs. and then after my parents got divorced, my 11th birthday my dad got me a puppy from the shelter. he was like my best friend growing up. he passed away like year and a
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half ago. so i've pretty recently been thinking about getting another dog, been wanting to. >> getting one dog is one thing. are you ready for all these dogs? >> i'm not going to take care of all of them. but definitely just wanted to keep them together and try and bring all of them home and give my oldest brother and his fiancee have asked if they can have one of the puppies. my mom is going to take the mother dog. and there's definitely good homes for them. but i'm going to keep two of the puppies. >> do you have names yet? >> yeah. the littlest dog, my sweet little girl rosa. and the biggest dog is the other one i'm going to keep. we've named him jake. and then the other puppy is gorky because they were living underneath the gorky media center. and then the mom we've just been calling mama the whole time. so i think he's just going to keep that. >> how hard has it been? they're still over there. how hard is it to get them back here? >> it's been pretty difficult getting the dogs back. there's all sorts of paper work and obstacles you have to get
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past and hoops you have to jump through. but it hasn't been too crazy. i have a friend that's over there, the friend that help me find them. he's still there and trying to help me bring them back. my agent and the humane society here. there's been a ton of people that have reached out and just wanted to help. >> the humane society has said this has actually been a really beneficial thing for even dogs here in the united states. that there's so much focus on now stray dogs that they're getting a lot of calls. >> yeah. for sure. i think a lot of people too were like, why are you bringing dogs back from russia? the amount of money and energy and everything it costs to do that, you could adopt way more dogs here. it wasn't really the fact that i had to bring a dog home from there. it's just that i saw these dogs and it was more just like i fell in love with them. i couldn't bear to leave them. so i had to bring them back. and hopefully it sparks people's interest to adopt dogs here and for people in russia to maybe bring some of them inside and make the strays pets. >> do you know when they're going to get here? >> i think my dogs are coming in
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like ten more days. they've been vaccinated, had all their inoculations, just require a bit more time before they're able to travel. >> you couldn't bring them to the olympic village, right? >> no. it sucked! they stayed underneath the media center the whole time. i was like dudes these are mine the i'm taking these. but then i had to leave them every day. i'd go in the morning and go to practice for an hour or two and go to see my dogs and play with them. >> you had dibs on them. >> they're mine. >> what's better, the medal or puppy love? >> i mean, the puppy love is fantastic. i mean, i'd say they're equally awesome. the dogs i'm pretty excited about for sure. just because they are adorable and fun to cuddle with. but the medal has been something i've worked for for a long time. >> the medal is incredible. it's very heavy. what does it feel like to finally -- you've been doing this since you were three years old. >> yeah. it's been awesome. i'd say i pretty much have been like preparing for this moment since i was three.
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just skiing as much as i could. i don't know if we really call it like training necessarily because we are just having a lot of fun. that's one thing that's so great about action sports, every time we're out on the hill we're kind of progressing ourselves and learning new tricks and trying to get better and push ourselves. >> congratulations on all your success. >> thank you. >> and also getting the dogs over here. >> thanks. appreciate it. >> great thing. we'll be right back. i'm beth... and i'm michelle. and we own the paper cottage. it's a stationery and gifts store. anything we purchase for the paper cottage goes on our ink card. so you can manage your business expenses and access them online instantly with the game changing app from ink. we didn't get into business to spend time managing receipts, that's why we have ink. we like being in business because we like being creative, we like interacting with people. so you have time to focus on the things you love. ink from chase.
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that does it for us. thanks for watching. "piers morgan live" starts now. this is "piers morgan live." welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. tonight the movie that's raunchy, raw and some people say crosses the line. >> 1, 2, 3! >> stop, okay? >> safety zblifirst. >> safety is first. >> i don't want to get a bad reputation. >> martin scorsese's "wolf of wall street". i'll talk to the man who was the inspiration for leo dicaprio's character. >> you just tried to bribe a federal officer. >> no, no.
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