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one of the most remarkable things about him those close to him say may have been how grounded and how kind he was, a real mech to the end of his day. harold ramis was 69 years old. i now turn you over to wolf blitzer in the situation room. stunning new details on the most wanted druglord after avoided justice for years in mexico, could the kingpin known as "el chappo" end up in a united states court? and russian's ousted leader is missing. and there are some now new signs that jeb bush is seriously considering a white house run. so why is he now warning fellow republicans to, quote, chill out? i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room."
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we begin with extraordinary new information on the daring raid which led to the arrest of the world's most notorious drug kingpin after 13 years on the lamb in mexico. his nickname is "el chappo" or "shorty." our brian todd has the inside story on how they got the man called "el krcchappo." >> u.s. and mexican authorities have been after him for over a decade. dea officials say he's responsible for at least 25% of the drugs entering the u.s. 85% of the drugs in chicago. one mexican official told me, quote, he is our bin laden and we're hearing the raid that captured him had some similarities to the bin laden operation. 6:40 a.m., just before dawn on saturday, in what's described as a surgical operation, an elite unit of mexican marines burst into this apartment in maz zat
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lan, mexico. they find the most wanted druglord, joaquin guzman, laying shirtless next to his beauty queen wife. >> he had an ak-47 next to the bed. when the mexican marines entered the condominium, he was still asleep. he was surprised and he did not have a chance to react and seize his weapon. >> michael is a former senior dea officials who was briefed on the raid. a mexican official tells us that the marines knew that guzman and his bodyguard were asleep because they used infrared equipment to determine that they were still sleeping. days earlier, operatives in the cartel yielded a trove of information about his whereabouts which officials
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shared. >> a highly efficient operation, using human intelligence and tracking down cell phones and zeroing in on a particular location. >> reporter: just before he got to mazatlan, mexican marines raided one of his homes in culiacan. officials said it gave guzman enough time to escape under a tunnel between the houses in culiacan. he was able to use that and the city's sewer system to escape to mazatlan. but at the time of his capture, the man known for air-tight security had gotten sloppy. >> by that time i think he was probably panicking knowing that this was a large frontal assault on him and that there was a possibility that they were going to catch up with him. so he was physically exhausted.
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>> mexican officials tell us guzman is now in isolation in the basement of a mexican prison. that he's under surveillance 24/7. he's being kept away from the general prison population. wolf? >> we also have new information about how preoccupied he was with his own security. >> that's right. we're hearing that he lived this robin hood existence when he was on the run for many years, giving to the local population but also being protected by them. the sort rtory is, when he woul into the restaurant, the restaurant would shut down while he was there. no one would be allowed to leave. all of the cell phones were taken away from the patrons, he would get up and say good-bye and pay everyone's bill and he would get the cell phones handed back to them. we're told he got sloppy near the end. >> we'll see what happens next. more on that later. brian, thanks very much. he's accused of the mass killings in civilian's last
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week's bloody violence. now an arrest warrant has been issued for viktor yanukovych. yanukovych, who fled kiev over the weekend, is nowhere to be found. let's go to nick paton walsh who is in the ukrainian capital of kiev. right now, nick, the last we heard from the ukraine's president -- i should say former president, yanukovych, is when he declared, i don't plan to leave the country, i don't plan to resign but we haven't seen or heard from him since. is that right? >> reporter: well, certainly. we've heard of him but not from him. we know that he tried to fly out of the country on a private jet and that's a few days ago now. we heard today that he was in the south of ukraine, possibly at a private house in a town. but ever where he seems to go, people are deserting him at that point. the mayor said, look, i'm not a part of the ruling party of
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yanukovych and i don't want my job anymore. i wanted nothing to do with the bloodshed we recently saw. plus, the head of the ruling party for the whole country said today that they had been trying to ring yanukovych and he hadn't been picking up. no doubt at all that those in the square behind me want to see him put on trial. they consider him to be the main individual who ordered the bloodshed that killed dozens to the left of where i'm standing last thursday. and, of course, people are asking how did this man accrue so much wealth. at the same time, ukraine is asking why are the national treasury quite so empty. >> a lot of money missing in action right now. a popular protest movement toppling this once powerful leader. how are folks on the streets of kiev where you are making sense of this uprising? >> reporter: this is remarkable because this is the second time
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that viktor yanukovych has been removed by a protest. call it what you'd like. the first being in 2004 where many thought that the election that put him into power was false and put him in the streets. the losses, the deaths, there's a lot of grief down here. i'm hearing the national anthem constantly being sung. the square is lined with flowers. putting carpet over the ashes of the rubble that was being burned during the clashes and perhaps people are still coming to term with the power here, putting different ministers in power and the fascinating thing is that the backroom dealing was that outside in the streets there were ukrainians chanting "shame," angry at how they didn't see the transparent protest suddenly they could lay their hands on it and feel they have a part in it.
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the ukraine has a long way to go before their desire has been satisfied. wolf? >> nick will have more. nick paton walsh, thanks very much. after watching the violence in his backyard and the toppling of a neighboring leader, should the russian president vladimir putin be worrying if he's next or should the world be worrying what putin might do? our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto is joining me here in "the situation room." how are officials reacting to this situation? >> they have made the argument that it's in no one's interest to have a violent outcome. that's on the streets or military intervention. at the same time, the u.s. is laying out a vision with a path forward with four key elements, first, de-escalating the violence on the ground, representative of all sides and, three, that has a technical focus to stabilize the economy that's a real priority going forward and that all of this would lead up to early elections. here's how jay carney put it
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today. >> it's certainly not in russia's interest to have tens and thousands of people in the street deeply discontent with the government that they were closely backing. instability and violence in the ukraine is certainly not and should not be seen as in russia's interests. >> now, u.s. officials realize they have to get russian buy-in but the russians are not sold by a long shot. you can hear it from russian officials, russians saying that the west is encouraging extremist elements in the ukraine. officials saying either western officials don't understand the situation on the ground or, wolf, that they are deliberately trying to destabilize the situation. it's a bold argument. >> you have an important argument and i've read it today with folks all around the world. what are they saying? >> with all of the hot spots that we cover, iran, syria, ukraine, ukraine was at the top of the list and the question that we've been discussing at the top of the list, what is russia going to do, are they going to take military action,
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will they invade? some participants called for military intervention in georgia. russia invaded georgia in 2008 under similar pretext. i noticed that that also happened around the 2008 olympics in beijing. another posting echoing the obama's administration argument that there's nothing in russia's intervention and national interest prevention and this is a show of sabre rattling. you saw jay carney there take a swipe at russia as well saying it's not in russia's interest to have people believe that the government is corrupt, illegitimate supported by russia saying, hey, we're not the obama bad potential bad actors here. >> and what happens in the ukraine remains to be seen. >> absolutely. >> thanks very much, jim sciutto for that. up next, is a u.s. supreme court justice mailing it in?
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jeffrey toobin is here to explain why he's suggesting that the supreme court justice clarence thomas is engaged in what he calls a disgraceful silence. and posting online pictures of gruesome x-rays and talking about it. when jake and i first set out on our own, we ate anything. but in time you realize the better you eat, the better you feel. these days we both eat smarter. and i give jake purina cat chow naturals. made with real chicken and salmon, it's high in protein like a cat's natural diet. and no added artificial flavors. we've come a long way. and whatever's ahead, we'll be there for each other. naturally. purina cat chow naturals.
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of the country's top supreme court experts calls thomas' behavior embarrassing and disgraceful. that person happens to be jeffrey toobin joining us. let me read a couple of sentences. "thomas only reliclines so he c stare at the ceiling which he does at length. he strokes his chin. his eyelids look heavy. every school teacher knows this look. it's called not paying attention. thomas is simply not doing his job." all of the other justices ask questions. he's the only one that remains silent. >> well, he gets asked that question a lot when he speaks at law schools and the like and he says he gets all of the information from the briefs and he thinks the other justices ask too many questions and don't let the lawyers finish their thoughts.
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all of which is perfectly reasonable for not asking a lot of questions. but eight years of not asking questions just shows contempt for a significant part of the job and, yes, he does write his opinions but that's not the whole job. he's still angry about the whole anita hill controversy. he's very angry at the news media, doesn't like the way he's treated. i think this is a gesture of hostility that only makes him look bad. >> because all of the other justices, including anthony scalia, you'll hear their questions when people come before the supreme court to offer their analysis of what is going on. we only get to hear it on audiotape. we don't see it. and that's a serious problem and there's a group now saying that there should be tv cameras. the american public have a right to see these justices, the q & a going on during the oral arguments. listen to this ad. >> supreme court's decisions
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impact the lives of americans everywhere. but only a privileged few get to see justice in action. republicans, democrats, and a large majority of american support a simple fix. putting cameras in the supreme court. >> why don't they have cameras there so we can watch these justices go about their business? >> wolf, i can answer that question in two words. jon stewart. they don't want to be made fun of on the daily show. they don't want to have their behavior, their questions, their public performance open to public scrutiny. i think it's disgraceful. i think it's terrible. but it's their candy store and they get to decide who sees it. but it's just totally inappropriate that these sessions are not televised. >> well, is it across the board all nine justices don't want cameras inside or is there a split, as far as you know? >> as far as i can tell, it's
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pretty unanimous. steven briar said he would like to see a study about how it is done. elana said they expressed openness. they've gotten noticeably more quiet since they've been on the court on that subject. i think there's a tremendous institutional fear of the court looking bad and i think it's appropriate that they care about the institution but when you think about the arguments against cameras in the courtroom, you know, that witnesses will be intimidated, none of those apply to the supreme court. the supreme court only has experienced lawyers dealing with important legal issues. i just think it is completely outrageous but there is no way that even congress can force them to televise their hearings. it's up to them and i wouldn't hold your breath. >> it took a long, long time for the audio version of these
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arguments to come forward. >> and it's not live. it's actually -- now they only release it at the end of the week. >> right. >> they used to release it on the same day for big cases. so the situation has actually gotten worse in terms of public disclosure at the supreme court. >> an excellent article in "the new yorker." jeef jeffrey, thank you very much. sharp scrutiny has been brought down hard on a kansas republican who hopes to one day be a united states senator. now everyone is wondering how this drama will play out. cnn's tom foreman has the details. >> reporter: an x ray of a person savaged with gunshots and a comment "this was my second favorite gunshot wound of all time." radiologist milton wolf, a kansas republican confronted
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about this after they found the pictures. >> do you still do this? >> i take care of patients. >> do you still post images of dead people on the internet? >> that is not an image of a dead person. >> what is it? what is this? >> these are x-rays. >> x-rays of dead people. >> ladies and gentlemen of the revolution, please welcome your next senator from kansas. >> wolf is running are to the republican nomination for u.s. senate courting conservatives in the hopes of unseating incumbent pat roberts. >> they call me the arch enemy of obamacare. >> wolf admits he's posted many x-rays online but has never revealed the identity and this is all to educate other doctors. >> you look at textbooks that show these imaging. >> reporter: still, he said it's not like the patient was going to complain and when he wrote, what kind of gun blows somebody's head completely off? i've got to get one of those.
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>> this is a joke. >> no, it is not. it's no joke about taking care of patients. >> reporter: all of the comments were made some years ago and wolf subsequently took them down but the fact remains politically he shot himself in the foot. tom foreman, cnn, washington. other stories we're following in "the situation room" right now, part of the mississippi river has reopened but more than two dozen vessels remain stranded following a weekend oil spill near new orleans. a barge leaked nearly 30,000 gallons of crude after a collision with a towboat. at one point, 65 miles of the river were closed as well as the port of new orleans. the longest serving member of congress john dingle will not seek re-election. he was only 25 when he held the
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position of his late father who held the spot back in 1932. there's speculation that his wife of 32 years might make a bid for her husband's seat. and the actor and writer harold ramis has died. he's best known for his movie work, including animal house, "caddy shack," ghostbusters" and "stripes". >> okay. that's really very good. i'd like to try it one more time and then we'll call it a day. ♪ i met her on a monday and my heart sat still ♪ ♪ somebody told me that her name was jill ♪ ♪ okay great >> have a great time. bye-bye. >> bye-bye. >> what a great talent he was. haro
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harold ramis was 69 years old. he suffered a blood vessel condition. our condolences to his family. they finally got "shorty." should he be turned over to the united states? i'll ask homeland security adviser michael mcfaul. stay with us. you're in "the situation room." when you order the works you want everything. an expert ford technician knows your car's health depends on a full, complete checkup. the works. because when it comes to feeling safe behind the wheel, going the distance and saving at the pump you want it all. get our multi-point inspection with a a synthetic blend oil change, tire rotation, brake inspection and more for $29.95 or less. get a complete vehicle checkup. only at your ford dealer.
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happening now, 2016 includes jeb bush what could be a preview of this campaign strategy. talks about a potential problem if, if he decides to run for president. and tylenol shocker, it links the pain kikiller to a condition afflicting millions of children. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." he's at least considering a run for the white house, jeb bush made a campaign-style appearance today up in new york
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state. he had a special message for some fellow republicans. >> you've got to show respect. you have to listen to people rather than kind of dictate how it's going to be and i think we've become a little more harsh than we need to be. so the first step would be to tone it down a little bit, you know. chill out. we don't always have to come across as angry. >> probably pretty good advice. let's discuss with our chief political analyst gloria borger and john king. could this advice, don't be so angry be the key to success? >> neighborhood a general election but honestly i think not in a primary. >> midterm election? >> but i'm even thinking if he does run for the presidency, if he runs for the presidency, the base of the republican party is angry right now. they are unhappy. and i think if he were to run for the presidency, he'd have to have a little bit of a
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re-education in how to talk to the base of the party because it's changed over the last seven or eight years. >> come become more to the right? >> the republican party, particularly with the tea party on the rise, you know, i think it's a different party than jeb bush left when he was governor. >> what do you think of that strategy? a strategy he's advocating. >> this is something that he's long believed. immigration is going to be the issue in the next primary. jeb bush is more to the center than the base of the party, probably. health care will be an issue in the next primary. he said there's nothing i like about the president's affordable care act but what the republicans should do to replace it, he's a policy guy. the thing that is most fascinating to me, he's been off the bike a long time. he hasn't run for elected office in quite some time. so to see him in town hall setting, i actually thought he was having fun. number one, he was humorous. number two, republicans asking if he's too rusty, pretty good.
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he turns political questions into policy questions. >> and he was twice elected to governor of florida. >> the minute -- if he were to say, okay, i'm running for the presidency, suddenly you have the handlers around you constantly, you're worried about every word that you speak. right now he can afford to be a little more relaxed but once you're on that national stage, forget it. it all changes. >> florida it an important electoral state. >> oh, yeah. >> he also said this. >> this is one of the people i met, early spring of 2007, a strong supporter of president obama's in the primary. and i said, why? and he goes -- he looked at me and he goes, we had a bush, then we had a clinton, then we had a bush, then we're going to have a clinton, and then he turned to me and he goes, and then we're going to have a bush. so i get the point. i get the point.
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and it's something that i'd have to -- if i was to run, i'd have to overcome that. and so will hillary, by the way. >> which is a fair point, right? >> absolutely. it is a fair point. in our politics, people are always looking for new faces. president obama helped him with the iraq war. he went on to say, hold hillary to the same issue. it's less of an issue or it's everybody's issue. i know from my reporting, he's thinking seriously about this. when he said he'd have a timetable, people said he's just saying that. his team says that erases money for republican candidates but i'm told in those conversations he's talked about, if i run, what would it take, who are you with? he's thinking more seriously about this. >> others suggested maybe he shouldn't do it. >> we always listen to our mothers, wolf. but i think maybe the fund-raisers are more serious about this, particularly given the problems that chris christie
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has had, suddenly if they sort of feel that they are in the center of the party, establishment part of the republican party, they are looking for somebody that they could say, okay, he will represent my views. if they were turning from christie and some pollers show that they are to a certain degree. then maybe bush would be one of those people that they would turn to. >> a more moderate republican. chris christie is chairman of the republican governor's association. all of the nation's governors were in washington today at the white house. he was not here. i know that his daughter's 18th birthday was yesterday but he could have come back. what's going on? >> he has a state budget to put together as well. he's made a calculated decision here to step back a little bit from the national spotlight. he's still traveling to raise money. he'll be on the road raising money with governor romney coming up. for this week, when all of the other governors were here and they all ask if you're going to
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run for president, he decided i think because, a, he wants to prove that he can effective, b, personal issues and c, bridgegate, to dial it back a bit. >> he's had enough exposure lately. i don't think he's looking for any more than what we saw at that town hall meeting he was a little more subdued. it wasn't the chris christie that took people on and calling them names, et cetera, et cetera. it was a very different kind of chris christie. so i think leaving town was probably a smart thing for him to do. >> he's not going to get a picture with the president but he had a picture with the president just before the last election. a lot of republicans were not happy about that picture. >> by the way, mitt romney is going to appear with chris christie and a lot of romney supporters were upset about that picture. >> i remember that. marco rubio will be my guest tomorrow here in "the situation room." we've got a lot to discuss. >> ask him what he thinks about that. >> thanks, guys. up next, will mexico hand
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over this notorious drug kingpin to the united states? he's just been captured. i'll talk about that and more with the chairman of the house homeland security committee, republican congressman mike mccaul. there he is. and with a stroke of a pen, a new law creates a living nightmare for gays and lesbians. some are facing potential life sentences. ♪ [ male announcer ] she won't remember this, being carried in your arms. but after a day spent in the caribbean exploring mayan ruins and playing pirates with you in secret coves, she won't exactly be short on memories. princess cruises. come back new. [ female announcer ] plan your seven-day cruise from just $549. call your travel agent
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story. 13 years after he escaped from prison, mexican authorities captur captured el chapo, known as shorty. congressman mccaul, thanks for coming in. >> thanks for having me, wolf. >> do you trust the mexican authorities to get the job done with el chapo? >> i want our relationship to be based on trust. we had a significant victory with the united states working with mexico to take down the most wanted druglord, the godfather of the drug cartels, if you will. my concerns, wolf, to be quite frank is the fact that el chapo guzman has already escaped a mexican prison in 2001. he was given a sentence of 20 years, which is not what he deserves. we had another druglord just last engineer who escaped prison
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with judge's help and in fact his corruption is still prevalent down there. i believe that the best thing for both countries would be to extradite him to the united states, put him in a super max prison where he can't escape but also where he will face justice and get the maximum penalty for what he has done. he has smuggled tons of country, not only this country but in europe. thousands of people are responsible for who he's killed and if brought to the united states, i know he has indictments where i am in new york, san diego, chicago they call him public enemy number one because of all of the damage he's done in chicago. so to say this is just mexico's problem is not correct. this has had a severe impact on the united states. we have vested interest to try him here and i hope the mexicans will think about this. i planned to talk to the mexican
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authorities on this to negotiate his extradition to the united states. >> but the argument that a lot of the mexicans make, as you know, congressman, is that most of the crimes he committed, most of those people who allegedly were murdered by him were done in mexico. they deserve the right to try him and sentence him and let him spend the rest of his life potentially in jail. you're raising serious questions about their credibility. >> well, listen, i respect menti mexico's point of view on this. it's a sovereign nation. he is mexican. he did kill thousands of people. in juarez alone, thousands of people have been killed. my only concern is the idea that he could break out of prison again like he did in 2001. the problem of the corruption in mexico and the fact is that we can hold him in a more secure place in the united states and
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get some more severe penalties. the conviction rate -- criminal conviction rate in mexico is very low. i know he served eight years on a 20-year sentence but i brief we can give him the maximum penalty in the united states and that would be life in prison. i look forward to working with the mexican officials on this. i applaud the mexicans for what they did in working and i also applaud our i.c.e. agents and dea and homeland security agents who really brought the number one most wanted drug lord to justice by capturing him. >> let me ask you to do a postmortem now. the two weeks in sochi ended without, without a terrorist attack. all of us were worried deeply going into the olympic games in sochi. you and i, last time we spoke, had this conversation. let me play this little clip. you say, these are the most serious threats to an olympic game you've ever seen.
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what's your deepest concern? >> a suicide bomber. i think the proximity to where the terrorists are in the northern caucasus and al zahiri and it's ratcheting up, not down. >> fortunately, our worst fears were not materialized. were there operations thwarted or were we just lucky or what happened? >> i think a combination of the things. i watched the olympics because my children enjoyed it tremendously. i will say, thank god nothing happened. the fact is, there was a threat to our aviation sector, as you know, with the black widows and the six austrians that we were able to stop and thwart that
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threat and i applaud our authorities from stopping that. i credit the russians for stopping the threat within. i thought the biggest threat were suicide bombers not in the olympic village but outside somewhere and i would credit that really to the heavy handedness to security in russia. when i was there, they don't have a constitution, they don't have due process. they went into dagestan and for lack of a better word eliminated the threats in dagestan. they put the black widows under house arrest. they tossed out people in sochi who are not registered under the law and this is all in combination very effective from a security standpoint to eliminate any potential threat to the games and iapplaud the russian authorities for that as well. >> thankfully the olympic games without any attacks. >> thank you, wolf. gays and lesbians in one
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cnn's arwa damon reports. >> reporter: the 2010 tabloid banner read "hang them." he told cnn then he knew he was in danger. >> so i said the villagers want to set my house ablaze. >> reporter: homophobia in this deeply conservative christian nation is rabid. david's mother says she didn't know she was gay until he was murdered. >> translator: i would condemn him, she responds. i would hate him. but i would counsel him. she, too, stigmatized by his sexuality and did not want us to visit her at home. >> translator: the community keeps accuses me that i bring whites to promote homosexuality among the children, she tells us. the irony, gay rights activists say, is that it was a small group of american evangelicals who came to uganda speaking out against homosexuality, which was
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already illegal, that really took the persecution of the lbgt community to a new level. >> some friends -- >> reporter: she's one of the few gay activists to speak out in public. >> so they went to parliament and advised them to change the law. they went to universities and told students that we're recruiting them into homosexuality. that they should be careful. then they went to parents and told them that we're taking their children. >> reporter: the first draft of the anti-homosexuality bill introduced in 2009 included the death penalty. the new version replaces the death penalty for certain homosexual acts with life in prison and makes simply being viewed as promoting homosexuality a crime that could land someone in jail. >> now parliament processes all these amendments. >> reporter: this is the architect. so is your aim to eradicate
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homosexuality completely by forcing people to stay silent or face a prison sentence? >> well, the aim is to make sure that we do protect the institution of marriage and stopping the promotion of homosexuality in our country. if in the process that is achieved, that would be good for our society. >> reporter: that homosexuality be eradicated for society. >> that would be good for our society. >> reporter: do you respect an individual's right to practice religion other than christianity? >> yes. >> reporter: so why can't you respect another individual's differs sexual orientation? >> well, i don't think that homosexuality is a human right. >> reporter: now the lgbt community fierce it will become the target of an even broader witchhunt. arwa damon, kampala.
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results have just been released from a study of one of the most widely used pain medication. here's cnn's senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen. >> reporter: it's supposed to be the safe option, acetaminophen most widely known as tylenol is prescribed by doctors for pregnant women in pain. but a new study in denmark calls
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this practice into question. in the study women using the common pain reliever during pregnancy were more likely to have children who went on to have adhd. the biggest increase was among women using aseatcetaminophen t most often and later after pregnancy. women were twice as likely to have a child with a severe form of adhd. >> any medication in pregnancy is something to avoid, if you can. we have to be extremely careful what we expose fetuses to. >> reporter: dr. ritz says acetaminophen can disrupt hormones critical to brain development and massages and baths may be a better option for mild pain relief. >> you certainly should not just take a pain medication because you have maybe a slight headache. >> reporter: in a statement, tylenol maker johnson & johnson tells cnn tylenol has one of the most favorable safety profiles among over-the-counter pain
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relievers. if pregnant or breastfeeding, the consumer should ask a health professional before use. bottom line, most women in the study who took acetaminophen did not go on to have children with adhd. experts stress this is just one study and more research needs to be done and in the meantime pregnant women should not replace acetaminophen with other pain medications and, of course, they should talk to their doctors. elizabeth cohen, cnn. happening now, controversial cuts to the united states military. the pentagon reveals its downsizing plan including the smallest army in more than 70 years. in hour, new details and backlash. plus the spoils of power. cnn takes you inside the very lavish retreat of ukraine's ousted president who is now a fugitive and wanted on charges of mass murder. and some big apple blunders. the mayor of new york city under fire for embarrassing missteps gets hammered in the news media in new york and realizes his honeymoon is over.
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i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." the pushback already is beginning against the dramatic new pentagon budget cuts proposed today. the defense secretary chuck hagel unveiled a blueprint for a leaner, more modern military that refrekts the ending of america's longest war. taxpayers would save billions of dollars. but opponents are already raising red flags about the potential cost to troops, national security and the overall economy. let's go to our pentagon correspondent barbara starr. she has the details the. >> reporter: wolf, what are we really talking about here? the pentagon had planned to get by this year on $541 billion. now, they're going to try and do it with 496. defense secretary chuck hagel made one thing clear -- nearly 13 years of war footing the over. >> after iraq and afghanistan, we are no longer sizing the
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military to conduct long and large stability operations. >> reporter: the pentagon will now focus more on special operations, cyber war and high tech weapons. >> the military must be ready and capable to respond quickly to all contingencies and decisively defeat any opponent should deterrents fail. >> reporter: but hagel knows it's a tough sell. some will object on national security grounds. >> you have fewer ship, fewer troops, fewer planes. readiness is not the same standard. of course there's going to be risk. >> reporter: governors are already reacting to proposed cuts in their national guard forces. om of those troops are combat veterans from war. >> we think they're very important to the national defense of this country as well as to helping us in times of emergencies in our individual state. >> reporter: among the key proposed cuts, downsizing the army from 520,000 soldiers to around 440,000.
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the smallest since 1940. key programs like the air force u2 spy plane will be replaced by drones, the firehog by fighter jets. but perhaps the most controversial will be slowing the rate of pay increases, trimming housing allowanceness and cutting subsidies to commissaries. congress is likely to object to all of that. then there's the $52 billion a year military health care system. hagel is proposing some new ideas to try and get people to take advantage of more low-cost health providers in the military and also to ask retirees to pay just a little bit more for their health care. neither of those ideas is likely to go down very well with congress. >> there's going to be a huge, huge political fight over all of this, there's no doubt about that. barbara, thanks very much. let's discuss with retired army general wesley clark, he's
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also a former democratic presidential candidate. general clark, thanks very much for coming in. >> thanks, wolf, good to be with you. >> do you think these proposals from chuck hagel make sense? >> i do. i think that given the budget priorities for the country, the fact that you can't raise taxes, the fact that where we are right now is that we're coming out of afghanistan, i think these proposals make sense. we do have to pivot our forces, we have significant increase in risks in the western pacific, we need to function with our navy, our space forces, our cyber forces. we've got to have those forces sharp, and my heart goes out to the army. i love the army, i served in it for 38 years. we've been through this before, the army goes up, it goes down. people say, we'll never do this again. well, we probably will do this again, but the army is very adaptable. we've got great leadership in the army and we've got to make due with what the country wants
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us to do. >> there's no doubt, if you take a look at all the wars, the u.s. has been after world war ii, the u.s. cut the number of troops after the korean war, cut the number of troops after vietnam. now after, what, the longest war, afghanistan, at one point there were what, 150,000, 160,000 troops in afghanistan, at one point there were nearly 200,000 troops in iraq. if you don't have a ground war, two ground war cls the u.s. was engaged in for more than a decade, you don't need all those troops right now. i think that's a fair assessment. >> well, i think it's true that you don't need them right now, but the thing is that it takes a long time to get troops the ready to go to war and do the job without taking the casualties. one of the things we did after the vietnam war is we really built the army's training establishment. we learned how to train, we learned the right technologies, we used simulations and we really focused on technology for the individual soldier in the 1990s and then in 2000.
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we can't afford to lose that. you cannot go back to a pre-world war ii army with a bunch of people marching around with broomsticks on their shoulders doing right face, right shoulder arms. that's not what this is about. i know the army leadership is concerned about this. when they shrink the army, they'll do it the best they possibly can. 450, yes, achievable. when you get below 450, it starts to really bind because you start taking out the logistics support that the other services will need when they go in. like medevac helicopters. >> here's a point that i think is a fair point and i'm anxious to get your input on this. the u.s. does most of the heavy lifting for the nato allies and the other allies. if you take a look at this chart -- i'll put it up on the screen. this is 2012 dollars from the peter g. peterson foundation, you take a look at what the u.s. was spending on defense, $682
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billion and then you add up the next ten countries combined, china, russia, uk, japan, france, saudi arabia, india, germany, italy, brazil, the u.s. is spending more than the next ten countries combined on defense including some close u.s. allies. why can't the allies pick up some of this responsibility? why does the united states always need to do it? >> well, i think the allies will pick up, but the chart you showed with russia and china and so forth, those aren't comparable figures. those countries conceal their defense budgets, they don't pay their people from the same account, they don't have the same personnel costs that we do. china has a 10% year of year increase in defense budget for the last ten years. china is really doing well. >> you're saying the peter g. peterson foundation is making up these numbers? >> no, i say just be very careful. those may be published number, but they're not real numbers.
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and so what we need is we need to listen to the people who are our experts on national security. you put the forces in and the structures and the technologies that we say we need. this country's pivoting its forces. we're taking away the ground forces to some degree in the middle east. we'll probably keep some in afghanistan, still got troops in the gulf and we have syria to worry about. but we also recognize the risk of something going wrong in the western pacific is going up, you can hear the rhetoric heating up. you can see the buildup of forces there by our allies, also by china and you have to ask yourself, where is this going to lead? we hope it leads nowhere. we hope the admirals will have their toys the out there, but it may be much more serious. >> but i think that -- >> and the chinese phrase to me was the admirals will have their toirks toys the, by the way, but a very serious situation. >> the money goes for
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sophisticated hardware that the u.s. probably doesn't need any more but because of political pressure especially from congress shutting down a plant in a state or two out there, it's going to cause huge problem, ship building, fighter aircraft with drones. you don't need all these really expensive defense systems, right? >> actually, you need the ability to preserve aircraft carriers and submarines and we're down at the bottom end of that. you need those drones. >> you need the drones but do you need as much fighter aircraft with drones doing so much of the surveillance, so much of the attacking you can do within an unarmed aircraft, why do you need so many of the new generation fighter aircraft? >> because you still need pilot's eyes on the battlefield and in the air space. there's still things that can be done in a man in a cockpit that can't be done in an unmanned
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vehicle. we talked about space and space is the real arena of competition. the chindz have developed a hypersonic missile capacity. the russians have fielded nonballistic missiles so our defenses have difficulty dealing with these potentially. so there's a lot of new technology out there that we have to be very careful about. we've been really focused on casualties in iraq and afghanistan. we've been focused on hamid karzai. we've been focused on al qaeda. and we've done it for a decade or more. we've tried to move forward with other technologies, but there's another world out there and they're serious about matching you us. >> all right, general. this debate is only starting now on these new proposals. let's see what happens. always good to have you here in "the situation room." >> thank you. >> the chicago mayor comes to the defense of his former boss. stand by for cnn's interview with rahm emanuel on another
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in fact for some, relief starts in just 15 minutes. excedrin. headache. gone. the mayor of chicago's coming to the defense of his former boss, the president of the united states. it's vintage rahm emanuel, outspoken, colorful and political. he spoke with our senior white house correspondent jim acosta. >> reporter: don't look now but chicago mayor rahm emanuel is back in washington. and you don't wish you were back in there advising the president? >> are you out of your mind? i could not be happier. >> reporter: the former white house chief of staff will be at the president's side tuesday for an event awarding chicago as
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well as detroit new multimillion dollar manufacturing projects for hubs as the administration calls them. this is going to change people's lives. >> this is the olympic gold that brings brains and brawn together. >> reporter: they're creating the hub with virtual apps like this one through another one of his executive actions. >> this has to be a year of action. >> reporter: part of his 2014 strategy to go around congress when necessary to get things done, an approach emanuel backs. right approach? >> 1,000%. he can't allow america's future to be held hostage by a congress that won't do anything. >> reporter: republicans have been saying all these executive actions are creating an imperial presidency. >> i don't know, you know, the emancipation -- these are not equal but the emancipation proclamation was an executive action, integrating the armed forces was an executive action. he has the responsibility to not let the future slip from our
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hands. >> reporter: i would be remiss if i didn't ask you some political questions. >> i thought the last five questions were political questions. >> reporter: emanuel left the white house just before the 2010 midterms when the president took what he calls a shellacking and lost the house to the gop. are you concerned that the president is heading towards another shellacking in this midterm cycle? >> the one thing i know about politics is anyone that tells you they know what will happen ten months from now doesn't know what they're talking about. >> reporter: 2016 is even further away, but emanuel made no secret he'll support hillary clinton if she runs. do you think she's going to run? >> you need to ask her. good luck getting the interview. she'd be very competition. i already said publicly if she run, i'll support her. >> reporter: even if the vice president runs? >> hillary clinton is a great secretary of state, great united states senator. she has a lot to offer the country. i've already said if she runs, that's a decision, a personal decision she'll make, if she
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asks my advice, i'll give it. if she runs i'm 100% in. >> reporter: you miss washington? >> no. i like coming here when i can take money back home. >> reporter: and this is one of those opportunities? >> this is one of those opportunities. >> reporter: as for those manufacturing hubs, the president would like dozens more of them around the country, but he'll need congress to make that happen. that's because there's just not enough money available to the president to do it on his own by executive action, but rahm emanuel will get his for the city of chicago tomorrow here at the white house. >> i'm sure he will, as he usually does. thanks very much jim acosta for that. now another big city mayor whose early honeymoon has turned into a series of nasty headaches. that would be new york city's mayor bill de blasio. deborah feyerick has our report. >> reporter: the honeymoon ended quickly for new york city mayor bill de blasio and the city's relentless press corps, which follows him day in, day out. do you feel you're being treated unfairly? >> i think too much of the time the debate veers away into side
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shows. but i'm not shocked by that. >> reporter: since being sworn in january 1, the rookie mayor has taken fire on everything, from keeping schools open during a snowstorm and taxing the rich to seemingly please constituents to perceived favoritism of a political supporter and a do what i say not what i do approach. the mayor asking new yorkers to drive better while his own ka caravan disregarded basic traffic laws. >> we're holding ourselves to this standard. >> reporter: when asked about the double standard, the mayor, visibly annoyed, refused to answer questions. >> mayor communicates to the voters, to the people through the press. and when you lose credibility with the press, you have a very hard time having credibility with the voters. and credibility, once lost, is hard to regain. >> reporter: previous mayors michael bloomberg and rudy giuliani also took heat during their first months in office. bloomberg for traveling out of town on weekends on his private
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jet and refusing to talk about it. >> compared to his predecessors the criticism is fair, the difference is his predecessors told the press to drop dead. >> reporter: mayor de blasio's grand vision for the city includes universal pre-k and better housing for low-income families, yet with the media emphasis on what he's doing wrong, it may be hard for some 8.5 million new yorkers to focus on what he's doing right. >> the notion that there's going to be scrutiny again is baked into this whole reality. and if you don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen, as harry trouman chose to say. and i chose to take the heat. >> reporter: bill de blasio frequently reminds people he has a mandate having won majority. but that comes from just 16% of all registered voters who actually bothered to show up at the poll on election day. >> deborah feyerick in new york city, thank you. ukraine, after the bloodshed, the hunt for the ousted president and the damage and the spoils he left behind.
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the hunt is now on for ukraine's most wanted man, the ousted president is a fugitive from an arrest warrant issued by the acting government. today russia is questioning the validity of those interim leaders, adding to all the uncertainty in ukraine only days after mass protest and violence. cnn's senior international correspondent nick paton walsh has the latest from kiev. >> reporter: the ousted
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president is wanted for mass murder and on the run in the south, probably crimea, seen leaving a private house there. and they're still on the streets watching a new government form, mourning the dead and watching a strange period where the people are the only real power around. moscow's been pretty silent so far about losing its main ally here. the ex-president and the united states hopes it stays out militarily. ukrainians still digesting the rapid collapse of their plaast d the wealth of yanukovych. a day out to see what money can buy if you really don't have anything sensible to do with it. soon it may be yanukovych, their former owner, who is behind the bars. he didn't even drive these, a '50s bentley, whatever this is, and an american army jeep. in the end, he fled, of course, in the presidential helicopter. and not in there, a massive
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riverboat for partying. outside, fascination at the life he led and they could only look in on while their country stagnated. inside, gifts from guests. months ahead when ukraine comes to terms with the troubled economy and asks where did all the money go, here is part of the answer. the president's own vodka. even the presidential waste. >> a bizarre enormous empty mansion. it was gaudy but vacant. everything laid on, even a tunnel linking the houses across miles and miles of grounds. the luxury literally never seemed to end. in his bedroom, one bell for sex, one for alcohol. it was presumably a joke, but how he lived to the people whose money this was, isn't. nick paton walsh, cnn, kiev.
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>> what a story and the uncertainty of what's going on in ukraine continues. lots at stake for all of us right now. tomorrow a special interview i'll have with marco rubio, the senator from florida. he'll join me in "the situation room." we'll talk about among other things what's going on in venezuela, and we'll talk about his future political aspirations, does he want to run for president in 2016. i know he's been asked that question many times. i'll ask him again tomorrow. the interview with marco rubio here in "the situation room" tomorrow. that's it for me. thanks for watching. you can always follow what's going on behind the scenes on twitter follow me @wolf blitzer. "crossfire" with missouri governor jay nixon and pat mccrory starts now. >> tonight on "crossfire," president obama picks a fight with the republican governors. today they hit back. >> thi
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