right now. next, breaking news, hundreds of angry protesters gathering outside the arizona governor's office saying the state is allowing discrimination against gays in the name of god. plus, a new battle in the war on 1%. tonight one of the richest men in america fighting back. and ted nugent backed out of an interview with me last week, and tonight he's out front live and i'll ask him why he called the president a subhuman mong l mongrel. let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. we begin this monday with breaking news, anger in arizona tonight. protesters massing outside the state capitol.

will businesses be allowed to deny service to gays in the name of god? you're looking at a live picture of protesters claiming the bill now sitting on the governor's desk, jan brewer, waiting for her signature, they say a state-sponsored discrimination. the anger is swinging lawmakers. tonight three state senators who voted for the bill are urging brewer to veto it. so far brewer has refused to comment on the bill's fate. we are following this story there in arizona, what is it like there tonight, miguel? >> reporter: well, at this point it's a little less than last week, but there are rabbis and priests here, there are people from the street community here to support this. but on both sides of this issue, there are very, very seriously held beliefs. mya artisan runs christian networking. >> basically we serve christian

business openers. >> reporter: she says the bill is necessary to protect all religions. >> i want for everyone's values to be able to be respected, whether they are christian, muslim, jewish, whatever that may be. >> reporter: but heated debate and protest across the state has centered on whether the bill would limit services, particularly wedding services to same sex couples. it is a test of religious rights and values versus individual and basic human rights. tough questions for the deeply religious who see a society in conflict. do you have gay members or gay christians -- >> i don't know. i don't necessary -- i don't really address that within christian networking, whether someone is gay or not gay. >> reporter: but would they be welcome in the network if they were? >> would they be welcome in the

network? um -- give me just a second to think about that. i'm sorry. >> reporter: hard to answer, she says because for her this is not a gays versus religion issue. >> we want to be able to find a way, hopefully through something like this bill to be able to have it where everyone is respected for their religion, their faith. >> reporter: but many here say the bill has brought unnecessary controversy. >> the rest of the country tends to think of arizona as the crazy state. what does this situation say about it? >> i think it says we are really not the crazy state. when i hear people talking about boycotting arizona or maybe not coming here, i would say think twice because there are a lot of people here, the majority, who believe that we need to be an open and welcoming state for everyone. >> reporter: now, that bill is on governor brewer's desk. she is in washington right now. she's expected back here in arizona tomorrow. she's expected then to meet with legislators and business leaders on wednesday. and it is expected on thursday

or friday that she will make a decision on this bill. the crowd here will only grow throughout the week. on wednesday they are planning an overnight vigil or presence here at the state capitol. and they promise to be here every single day until she decides. erin? >> thank you very much, miguel. obviously it will be a crucial week there. there are a lot of other states looking at the same kind of legislation. outfront tonight, a lawyer for the organization that has testified in favor of the bill for the arizona state legislature and mel robins, a defense attorney, radio talk show host. good to have you both. doug, let me start with you, you were talking about this on friday, why you believe this bill makes sense but obviously the key supporters are holding tonight, three state senators who backed the bill, supported it are now saying they made a mistake. do you think it could be a mistake? >> not at all. what's at stake here is whether arizona will be a safe place for people of faith. this is a common sense bill that balances religious liberties with compelling state interests.

and the question is whether governor brewer is going to sacrifice religious liberty in the state of arizona because of a lot of misinformation and intimidation and fear that's been put out there that is simply not going to happen with this bill. i can cite you a lot of examples where people of faith have been persecuted and discriminated against because of their religious beliefs. nobody can cite examples on the other side that have happened since this bill has been on the books since 1999. >> if i'm a business owner and i believe, according to my religion, for example, that i don't want to serve homosexuals and i want to not let them in my restaurant, you're saying that if i am forced to serve them, i'm the one being discriminated against? >> no. i'm saying that if you look at the bill, if you look at the bill that arizona passed, if you can cite to me any provision in there that gives a person a right to simply turn away service from a restaurant, then i'll oppose the bill, but that's not what the bill is about. what this bill is about is a narrowly tailored bill to protect people's religious freedoms, the as human dignity bill, a human rights bill, so

people of faith have a safe place in arizona. that's all it is. >> human rights, human dignity, mel, is that what this bill is about? >> i try not to laugh. the words you're using, persecution, safe, anti-discrimination, it's a joke. first of all, the bill -- the bill that we're discussing right now is not the bill that was in place since 1999 because your language expands it to individuals. it expands it to -- no, it does not. it expands it. here's the thing, i can make this very, very simple. when you're talking about the right to discriminate, which is what this bill is basically all about, the right for somebody to discriminate based on their religious belief, there are three types of discrimination that you need to understand. the first one is personal discrimination, which is constitutionally protected, by the way. i personally have the right to discriminate in my choices around my personal life. i can discriminate against

certain men who aren't methodist, for example, because i don't want to marry a methodist. that's constitutionally protected discrimination. second form is private association. if maia, the woman who was in that clip when she was asked, would you let a gay christian business owner in because there are a lot of open and affirming christian churches in this country, and she was like uh -- uh -- uh -- i need a minute because she's going to discriminate. i'm not done. private associations like the boy scouts who are brave enough to say, hey, we don't want gay male scout leaders in our organization, the supreme court has upheld their right to discriminate. this is why your bill is wrong. the third, you do not have a right to public discrimination. you open up a business, you are making a public accommodation to the public. you're not serving god, you're serving pizza, you're making flowers, you're serving up photographs. you do not have the right to discriminate in this country, end of story. >> doug, back to the question of

the slippery slope, though, right? once you say you're going to not allow someone in for reason x, then all of a sudden reasons a through z open up. >> this bill balances the rights of religious freedom against a compelling state interest. all the examples that you cited don't fall into that. >> how is this protecting your religious freedom? >> because if you think somebody should come into your studio to tell you exactly what message you should convey from your microphone? of course not. there's a first amendment right to freedom of press. there's also a first amendment right to freedom of religion. >> that's not the same example. that's not the same example. >> it is. >> no it's not. >> you think an artist should have to paint a picture depicting if you have a muslim artist that they have to paint a picture -- >> hold on. let doug finish. >> if you have a muslim artist and you say i want you to paint a graphic that discredits islam or something like that, they wouldn't have to do that. if you've got a photographer that's got to use their creative

and expressive talent to convey a message contrary to their belief, they shouldn't have to do that. we had a photographer that refused to photograph our president because they didn't agree with our organization's message. under california law we could have sued her. we didn't because we defend her right. >> isn't that different than a restaurant? we went through the civil rights in the south, but i guess that is a question here is whether rights for gays -- >> show me are restaurants can refuse rights to anybody. >> it is not written in black and white, which is smart of you, because if you had written it out specifically -- >> if you had done a better job of reading between the lines like everybody else -- >> if you gave somebody a preemptive right to have a fuel-proof defense if they are sued for denying somebody a public accommodation in a business, and if they win under this law, you get your attorney's fees covered. so you have written a law that gives somebody, when they cloak themselves in their religion and they do it from a -- a

subjective point of view, because it's whether or not you think your religion -- >> this is the problem, when you sacrifice religious liberty on the alter on the tolerance mentality, this is what you end up with. christians are marginalized, people of faith are marg marginalized, and you are saying you can't do business in arizona, the governor needs to sign this bill, send a message to the rest of the nation that we're open for business for people of all faiths, and that we will defend people's right to express their religion in the way that suits their conscious that has a balance and a protection and a safeguard in the statute that doesn't let them do whatever they want to. that's what this bill does. it's common sense. it needs to be passed. >> thanks to both of you. of course, we want you feedback. we use the word alter tolerance, do you think that gives you the right to exclude certain people? by the way, we should note in terms of business response to this, apple, at&t and the nfl

have all come out against this bill. ted nugent canceled on me last week but tonight he's here live. why did he call the president a subhuman mongrel? and paula dean has a comeback, but is her latest apology enough? >> if anybody did not hear me apologize, i want to apologize. weekdays are for rising to the challenge. they're the days to take care of business. when possibilities become reality. with centurylink as your trusted partner, our visionary cloud infrastructure and global broadband network free you to focus on what matters. with custom communications solutions and responsive, dedicated support, we constantly evolve to meet your needs. every day of the week. centurylink® your link to what's next.

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battle royale, tempers flaring in washington today over the minimum wage debate. >> i think there are things we can do instead of waving the white flag and declaring this economy to be a minute mum wage economy, i think the american economy can do better. >> wait a few seconds, until a few moments ago we were going down a pretty cooperative road. i don't know what the heck was a reference to white flag when it comes to people making $404 a week. that's the most insane statement i've ever heard, quite frankly. so let's be very clear that we've had a great meeting, and we didn't go down that road. and it just started again. and we didn't start it. >> of course, that was the republican versus democratic governor. the question is, are we waving the white flag of surrender?

out front a man who knows a lot about running companies, the co-founder and chairman of paul mitchell systems. john paul, you just saw a childish exchange between two governors, my question to you is which one of them is right? >> well, i love you out there. and you have to realize that neither one of them is right. i can represent the 99% and the 1%. i have worked constantly since i was 11 years old. i have worked for sub-minute mum wage, i have worked for minimum wage and on my own got my minimum wage raised. what they have to realize is this, you have to work together. you can't separate we the people. in other words, you want to make $10, $12, $15 an hour, you should, but the way you do it is you work with the person paying you and say this, i want to contribute more and i want to contribute so much that i'm worth paying $10, $12, $15 to. i'm going to help raise your bottom line. i'm going to contribute more. let's do this together.

that's the answer, not pitting one against the other. that's silly. that's not america. that's stupid! >> so you're saying don't regulate it and say the national level, just raise the minimum wage, that's not the way to do it. >> what i'm saying is why don't you come out to say let's make it, $12, $15, anything you want, but let's have those that work, because i did it when working for minimum wage. >> or the individual level you're saying, discuss with your employer. >> on the individual level, work together so you can work with your company to be able to make more money by being worthy of doing that so everyone makes more money. otherwise everyone's got to raise their prices, we go to inflation, and it's not the best answer. it's become more effective. that's why paul mitchell has their business here in the united states. all of our white goods are made here. we work with people to be more efficient. we don't have to go overseas. we make america work. >> look, there's been a lot of discussion about the minimum wage just one battle. in the overall conversation in

this country, the 1% and about income equality. many others have talked about this, tom perkins, adventure capital list, and they are just among the few who have weighed in on this. chris christie and joe biden, see which one of them you agree with when it comes to solving the problem of inequality. here they are. >> the middle class is being clobbered. you know, they talk about the fact that we shouldn't be talking about income inequality. i think it would be a sin if we didn't talk about income inequality. >> you want income inequality? that's mediocrity. everyone can be a mediocrity salary. that's what we can afford. sore do you want the opportunity for greatness? >> you're in the 1%, j.p., everyone knows you're a billionaire, which one of the men has the more accurate story line? >> sorry to laugh again, neither

one. there's one award given every year, it's the only award and it's the supreme court of the united states. it's called the horatio award. what it is about is the american way where in america you can start out with a lot of adversity, make it to the top 1%, make the american dream come true on your own, but along the way, share it with other people. they are missing it. they are splitting -- i don't agree with either one. i agree with the american way is, whatever you're making, work with your employer, show them how to do things better, how you can become more efficient and in the end you all make more money. that's the american way. not saying you must pay me this amount of money. i want everyone to make more than $10 an hour, more than that, but you have to work with the people who do it. >> the way it is being discussed to do that right now are, one, raising the minimum wage to the federal level, which you're

saying no, you don't agree with doing it that way. and the other is raising taxes, and raising taxes in particular on the top 1%. the residents talked about it being a major push in the cities across the country, including the new york. the mayor was elected on the tail of the two cities, rich and poor. is that the way to do it? the wealthy pay more taxes right now, the 1% pay more taxes to fund the 99? >> i'm a member of group, which we'll talk about later called the giving pledge, but to kind of zero in on something right now, when god created this planet, he created an oyster. and he said, oyster, i'm going to give you the perfect environment. a free house to live in, a shell, and i'm going to put you at the bottom of the ocean to protect you from your enemies f. you are hungry, open your mouth, food rushes in. free food, free clothing, everything, but an oyster is not going far. then the lord created an eagle and a different type of species. if you want to build a home, build it on a mountain or a

tree. if you want to eat, fly around to find your food. the eagle flies through wind, rain, sleet and snow to feed its young. the eagle misses 95% of its time, the prey only succeeds 5% of the time. but the eagle can go anywhere it wants. the eagle and not the oyster is the emblem of america. they are missing the point. we're a land of eagles, not oysters. >> in other words, don't hand things out, you work. that's what you're saying. >> yes! it works. you work together to make this happen, my god, you work together. there are several of us that are in the top 1% that are called the giving pledge. it's warren buffett, myself, bill gates, so many other wonderful americans in the top 1%. we have all pledged to give 50% of all of our money to help make the world a better place to live. through charities that we're involved in. so you keep on hitting that 1%,

but realize there's a lot of them that are making the world different because they are the 1%. and isn't it true that isn't the american dream to be the 1% or the 25% of the top 50%? you take that away and you take away america and what we stand for. we're a great country. i'm all about working together achieving the end result, not pipping one against the other to make different rules. why can't we have a president, a full society and both sides saying this, how do we find ways to work together to become more productive? let's make the american dream happen. let's make that happen. that's the way to do it. >> john paul, great to talk to you. please, everyone, we relish your feedback. >> america still works. >> we relish what john paul had to say about the 1%, please share with us. still to come, eight months after forced off the air, paula deen has a comeback, but will america forgive her? and ted nugent is here. did he apologize for calling the president a subhuman mongrel?

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paula deen is trying to stage a major comeback. she's avoided the public eye since using the n-word. yesterday she was given a warm reception and took a moment to address the controversy. >> i have heard on more than one occasion, so that's why it is important to me to say this to

y'all. that i never apologized. so if anybody did not hear me apologize, i want to apologize to those that did not hear me. >> steve, can she pull this off? >> well, first thing, erin, she never actually apologizes for what she did, what she said, and that's the first thing when it comes to apologies. you have to be specific. yeah, she did apologize, but she didn't just use the n-word, she also discussed slavery and the irony of that is she said that her great grandfather owned slaves but they were really workers. and he was so upset when he lost his workers that his life was destroyed and that people don't really understand that back in the day that black people at the time were part of the family. her family. listen, i think paula deen is probably a really nice person, but when she opens her mouth, erin, and talks about race and she talks about slavery, it's

dangerous. and further on in that clip, i don't know if you get a chance to show it, but she says she has a joke to tell and doesn't tell it. the reason she doesn't tell jokes is because i don't know what's in paula deen's mind, but the jokes she tells border on potentially racist and dangerous for most of us who think a certain way, which is that you don't insult people. i think paula deen is a nice person who is dangerous unscripted. >> let me play where she said that so everyone can see the look on her face, because that goes a long way toward what you're saying. here she is. >> it's so good to be here. i don't even have a joke, not one that i can tell. i would so love to tell you all my favorite one about a little bally. >> no. i'm familiar with your jokes. >> and -- yes. >> i don't know what he says about a little boy, but i'm not

the most pc person in the world, but i'll tell you this, erin, the reason people around her are freaking out is because she's trying to rebuild her brand. she's trying to come back from the n-word and trying to come back from losing, check this out, sears, k-mart, qvc, walmart, you don't come back from that and say, i've got a joke for you, it's about a little boy. because to a lot of people who know paula deen, they are worried that boy to her may mean potentially an african-american kid that she may mean by boy. the rest of you don't understand because when i say boy, i don't mean anything bad. she may not. but to most people, erin, that's just wrong. and i think that someone who grew up the way paula deen does or did just doesn't understand how that offends folks. and the people around her, i was watching that clip, they were yelling out, you don't have to apologize for anything. i tell you what, her loyal fans, the ones she has, maybe you don't, but for most folks, you

have to apologize. if you want to build your brand beyond that niche audience, you have to apologize for those things that were undeniably offensi offensive. >> an international firm put $75,000 into paula deen's comeback. a week after ted nugent decided not to be on the show, he joins us tonight. was he really sorry about calling the president a subhuman mongrel? and look at this, we'll tell you what happened. alright, whenever you get your stuff, run upstairs, get cleaned up for dinner. you leave the house in good shape? yea. yea, of course. ♪ [ sportscaster talking on tv ] last-second field go-- yea, sure ya did. [ male announcer ] introducing at&t digital life. personalized home security and automation. get professionally monitored security for just $29.99 a month. with limited availability in select markets. ♪

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ted nugent is finally here. last week he was booked on the show and we wanted to ask him about his now infamous comment calling president obama a subhuman mongrel. as you know, nugent canceled on us but we still wanted to do this interview. he's politically vocal. and his support is seen as a big win for gop candidates, even those running for president. here's what mitt romney's son tweeted during the election, ted nugent endorsed my dad today. ted nugent? how cool is that? he joins kid rock as great detroit musicians on team mitt. steve stockman appeared with many big named republicans and performed for texas governor rick perry's inauguration in 2007. he was on the board of the nra,

a position voted on by some of the organization's members, which are more than 4 million americans. he's delivered speeches at the nra annual conventions and, of course, all of you know him as the rocker ted nugent. he's now "outfront." ted, great to have you with us. i want to get to tissue of whether you apologized or not. you were on ben ferguson's radio show and you said, i do apologize, not necessarily to@. people got upset on twitter to say that was not a real apology. ben asked you again, specifically are you apologizing to the president of the united states, you said yes. a lot of people still say you didn't apologize. did you mean it? >> erin, can you see me? >> i can see you, ted. >> all right. i can't see you, so i'm at a great disadvantage because i glow and i know you do, too. erin, come on, you have this english language down really well. i bet you understand that the question is, do you apologize and i answer yes.

you don't really have to ask that question again, do you? >> well, i just wanted to know because a lot of people felt that the first opportunity when you said, well, not necessarily to the president, but you know a lot of people picked up on that. so i wanted to give you the opportunity to say that you really did mean it. but i want to ask you because this is the question a lot of people have, i read your twitter feed today, and you told me on twitter, you said, hey, you better have "the view" tape ready, and i thought, what is "the view" tape? and i found it, this is when president obama used the word mongrel in the summer of 2010. i wanted to play what he said about mongrel and what you said. here goes. >> i have obviously failed to gal veizing prod and not shamed enough americans to be everville lent not to let a chicago communist-raised, communist-educated, communist-nurtured subhuman mongrel like the acorn community

organizer gangster barack hussein obama to weasel his way into the top office of authority in the united states of america. >> in the interesting thing about the african-american experience in this country is that we are sort of a mongrel of people. we are all kind mixed up. now, that's actually true for white america as well, but we just know more about it. >> yeah. >> and so i'm less interested in how we label ourselves. i'm more interested in how we treat each other. and if we're treating each other right, then i can be african-american, i can be multi-racial, i can be, you name it, what matters is am i showing people respect, am i caring for other people? >> so what do you think, ted? >> well, number one, thank you, erin, for playing that tape as i

requested. and i appreciate you monitoring my twitter account. i think you know what i think, i think the president is intentionally disassembling the greatest quality of life in the history of the world. i believe that he is creating class warfare intentionally to get americans to draw this line in the sand where i have never seen such political discourse in all my life. and yes, i do apologize for being part of that political discourse because greater men than myself have advised me that that kind of street language in a volatile interview as you played earlier is not appropriate when trying to get some upgrade here in america, but i cannot put in adequate terms the condemnation i feel and so many americans feel that this president's fundamental transformation of this country is indeed the destruction of the american dream of being compen sated based on being the best you can be. the concept of social justice and economic equality is truly bizarre. the president's a bad man.

i want to make sure that americans are encouraged to be the best that they can be, not to be compensated for not even trying. i really believe history will show i've been right and the president and cnn was wrong. >> so i want to understand, because a lot of people want to understand, and look, i understand you're saying now i want to elevate the discussion. i think a lot of people are going to say, that's great, if you started to do that, but i want to understand why you used the word mongrel when you did, okay? because obviously we looked around, i looked it up in the dictionary, i'm sure you have at this point as well, the definition is a dog of mixed or undetermined breed, and the only use of the word mongrel that i could find in common talk, because you're talking about street talk, was actually the area nation membership form where you have to affirm, quote, i'm an employed white christian and concur areas of anglo-saxon, germanic, in orderic, basque,

lombard celtic and slavic originen. that's the only place i could find that word. >> we are re-arresting fugitive felons let out of their cages after molesting children. and we keep going after these guys. the adrenaline is something like you will never experience, i hope you never have to experience it, but when we are done with these kinds of raids, we get together and our hearts are broken that we have to face these monsters. we call them mongrels and call bad people who are destroying our neighborhoods mongrels. i knew of no racial reference. i think the president is absolutely correct. whites, blacks, hispanics, yellow, red, we are all mongrels basically because we are mixed

breeds. i con cur with that, so i learned something there and i learned something from your research into history. but for anyone to claim that i'm a racist or it had racist overtones is the typical crap that the propaganda ministry and the media, particularly most of your cohorts there, even though i got piers morgan's [ bleep ] thrown out. >> don't talk about my colleagues like that. >> they just don't deserve the respect. >> okay. let me ask you about something else you said about the president since you said there was nothing racial about it. i hope you can explain a word here in that same conversation i played for you where you also said this. >> a lot of people call that inflammatory speech. i would call it inflammatory speech when it's your job to protect americans and then you look into the television camera and say what difference does it make that i failed in my job to provide security and we have

four dead americans. what difference does that make? not to a chimpanzee or to hillary clinton, i guess it doesn't matter. >> chimpanzee? >> yeah, erin, i appreciate you playing that. do you really think that i referenced any race as a primate? i call my buddies in my band chimpanzees when they miss a guitar lick. i was referencing people who would look in the camera with four dead americans in benghazi and refuse to be accountable and say what difference does it make? you've either got to be a punk, a liar, grossly dishonest, dangerously anti-american or some kind of animal to agree with that kind of stuff. so up certify the word dog or mongrel or chimpanzee, i have nothing against any race. in fact, my whole life is dedicated to my black heroes, my black musical heroes, and you know that. i have not a racist bone in my

body. that's the sole prop began a ministry running amuck like your goofball friend paul who claims that i'm a has-been. i just celebrated my 50th greatest tour. >> ted, i know one thing -- >> i'm a black guitar player from detroit. get over it. >> all i know is if i call up the president, a black president a chimpanzee, i would and should be fired. because it's a racist thing to say. >> i never called the president a chimpanzee. >> well, then how are the chimpanzee? >> you think i hesitate -- people who support that it doesn't matter four americans are dead. >> people who looked into the television camera and said, the people you're referring to. well, i will leave it to the viewer to decide whether that was a direct reference to the president or not, but we'll take a brief break and come back. ted nugent. we'll be right back. [ car alarm chirps ]

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base people. women n particular, here are some words you used to describe hillary clinton. can i not say them on this program, but they include the toxic c-word, worthless, bitch and two-bit whore. whether you agree with her politics or not, there are people who listen to you and care deeply about what you say. how can they not be offended by terms like that? >> well, erin, i have a very important advisory board. and as a new mother yourself, is your son your first child? >> he is my first child. >> well, i congratulate you on that. i have nine wonderful kids, 11 grandkids, and they are constantly telling me over the years, dad, honey, quit calling people names! so i'm stopping calling people names. you know, i'm on stage, you ever see a good richard prior, you are not allowed to mention richard prior's greatest albums on cnn. we are not allowed to use the

titles of richard prior's albums because of political outrest. >> so are you going to say that you're never going to call people names again? >> live on "erin burnett outfront" cnn, ted nugent, remember the alamo, february 24, 2014, i'm not going to call people names anymore. however, i have a little escape clause here, because when i'm on stage singing wang dang sweet putang, would you give me permission to go overboard? please tell me you will. >> i know you are trying to make light of this, but these things are not light at all. >> i'm not making light, these are very serious. i agree. >> this is a horrible thing to do. >> you're right. my children, my brothers, my sister and my wonderful wife have told me that over and over. and i think at the tender age of

65, i think you're absolutely correct. instead of using terms like subhuman mongrel, i'm going to get right to the meat of the matter, which our president is a liar, he lies about, you can keep your doctor over and over again many he's lied about benghazi. he lies about the irs. i take your advice to heart, erin. >> and when you talk about things like these things with women. is this something that -- do you -- >> these things with women, what's the things with women? >> when you use the toxic c word. you wouldn't say those things unless you thought those things. they aren't things people just say off the cuff or say because they're not thinking. people don't say those things unless they think those things about people. and that is a fact, ted. >> no, i don't think it is a fact. i take a lot of my cues from

bill mahre who used the same word to describe the great sarah palin. >> well, it wasn't all right when he did it either. >> no, you're right, it wasn't right. i think that was about seven years ago i said that on stage. it was during some of the most egregious violations of power that hillary clinton and others are responsible for. what she did in benghazi, she should be in jail for it now. along with eric holder. i won't call them names, it's not a ted nugent thing -- >> is this because you're afraid -- >> we need to have -- >> are you afraid, though, that people like rick perry, rand paul who tweeted out about subhuman mongrel and demanded an apology as he should have. those people came to you and said, we're not going to campaign with you any more, and do things with you any more, you

don't stop this? is that what it took? >> they did not say that at all. you will not finds that quote. be careful that you don't make things up like your cohorts. >> i know you said you didn't want to upset these men better than you. >> they never gave me directions like that. they never gave me directions. what i did, my wonderful wife, my great kids or someone like you, people around me, they think i'll be more effective if i back off that detroit street fighter rock 'n' roll stage rhetoric. i'm here to tell you i'm going to do that. i do respect people like rick perry and rand paul and ted crui cruz. because i represent a lot of the same people they do, believe it or not, i owe it to those great americans to be more civil when i represent them. i'm here on cnn -- on cnn, mind you, and i will be doing that coming up. >> when you tweeted today to rand paul, rand paul demanded

you apologize, said your de rock tory description of president obama's description and said you should apologize. rand paul, let me know when you're ready to admit your blunder? you're backing off that tweet? >> no, i don't think that's uncivil by any stretch. i'm telling rand paul he should be careful not to take snapshots of an occurrence or incident or individual. he should pay attention to the big picture. i consider rand paul a great american, and i feel terrible that i upset him like that. but i got to tell you, when you speak the truth and represent very heart broken americans -- let me summarize like this. i hate that i have to be talking about this stuff. i want to respect my government and my president. i want to respect the office, but they have to deserve that respect. and there is a culture war going on. i wish we didn't have to do

this, but i think we do have to do this. >> that's the problem a lot of people have, though. >> i want to thank you for allowing me on this show. >> this president was fairly and democratically elected. he is the president of the united states. like him or not, you must respect the office as an american who wants peace and security. that is my personal view, whether he's a democrat or a republican in office. ted, thank you very much, appreciate seeing you again. >> thank you, erin, god bless you and your kids and your husband. >> thank you, sir. a pilot survives a head on collision with a bird, jeanne moos and her special report next. milies you get 4 lines on at&t's network... including unlimited talk... unlimited text... and 10 gigs of data to share. 10 gigs? 10 gigs. all for $160 dollars a month. you know, i think our family really needed this. it's really gonna bring us closer together. yep. yep. yep. yep. yep. [ family ] yep. [ male announcer ] introducing our best-ever family pricing.

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here's jeanne moos. >> have you ever been startled by a bird flying into your window? now imagine you're 1,000 feet up in the sky cruising on auto pilot. the first thing pilot rob weber did was call mayday. he didn't know what hit him. >> all of a sudden the windshield just exploded. >> watch the impact at 170 miles per hour in slow motion. >> it was a slap in the dpas. >> yeah, well, how do you think it felt to the bird. yeah, that is an angry bird t-shirt rob was wearing. he was less than four minutes away from paige field airport in ft. myers, florida. he ducked down to get out of the wind. part of the windshield hit his head. he kept thinking about a line he heard as a student pilot.

no matter what happens, just fly the plane. >> so he did. bird strikes are not unusual. having one captured on camera is. this past december a cessna, that had just taken off from an illinois airport got goosed. pilot and passenger managed to land without injury. to them at least. >> that is not our blood. >> when rob landed there was a fire truck waiting and compliments from the control tower. >> and a fellow pilot. true, rob will never be celebrated. like captain sully sullenberger when both his engines ingested geese and he had to land in the hudson. rob never lost engine power and he saved his own butt. his relief was audible when he

cut the everythingine. may the bird rest in peace, make that pieces. most of it never made it into the plane. but you see the foot in the cockpit. >> one friend said he wear it as a voodoo necklace. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> anderson starts now. a very big night, including a backlash against a bill that says it's okay for a business to deny someone's service if they say it's part of their religious beliefs. reporters say it's pro freedom. we'll take you everyone side the takedown of one of the most wanted mexican drug lords. any pregnant woman needs t