president, maybe hillary clinton's lifetime of work and serious personality would be enough. but she's the face of obama care, low job numbers and now a failed foreign policy. republicans know this, so this week here in washington, they're taking full advantage. >> with all due respect to hillary clinton, it does make a difference. why they died. >> they're laying the groundwork to put another clinton back in the white house. we will be happy to tell hillary clinton in unmistakable terms we know what difference it makes even if you don't. >> hillary as a person may be electable. hillary as heir to the obama administration's record of failure is something else. >> well, you know, our old friend, our mutual friend zell miller, one of my mentors in life used to say a hit dog barks. the reason they're all barking at hillary is they fear her.

>> sometimes the hit dog is right and then the bus is in trouble. we can trade georgisms later. in the "crossfire" tonight, the president of emily's list and hillary clinton supporter and the president of citizens united. since you're the guest host, you get the first opportunity here. >> well, great, thank you. first, thanks for having me. lovely to be co-hosting again, david, happy it's you and not jon stewart sitting opposite from me. >> see how you feel at the end. >> but we go back a ways. >> we do. >> and our audience should know that. 20 years now you've been on this obsession, this anti-hillary obsession, whitewater, harassing her when she was first lady, as a senate candidate, running for president. in those 20 years she's been voted the most admired woman in america, so you failed as a political stalker. you just need a new hobby, don't you, david?

>> i don't think so. first of all, you and hillary clinton and the rest just won't go away. that's part of the problem why it gives us things to do and talk about. the crocodile tears being cried for her in all of those problems that she possessed in the '90s, and we were looking at them and they were very serious problem, paul. and you'll acknowledge that the whitewater case and the finances or the land deals were serious business and that's why congress was looking at it. >> it was totally phony. after all those attacks, 613,243 americans have voted for her. 24,600 24,600,000. you're 0 for life taking on hillary. >> she's not been on the ballot nationally. bill clinton was, bill clinton beat us. >> like a drum. >> let me ask, if i might, stephanie, i think there are substantive things i won't get

into with these two guys. >> well, they've got 20 years. >> we go back a long time, both when i was speaker when we worked together and also we play films and documentaries we're very proud of with citizens united. i want to say that for the audience. but i thought this week we had a really good example of the substantive burden she's going to be carrying. if you look at what's happening in crimea, and ukraine and putin. i want to show you for a second, hillary with her reset button, i think it's worth rolling this for a second to see why i think she's got a challenge. >> we want to reset our relationship. >> let's do this together. >> so we will do it together. >> i just want to suggest that that laugh really -- when you look at this week, she is part of an administration which has so profoundly misunderstood who vladimir putin is and so profoundly misunderstood the nature of power and of politics

as it relates to that region, that that's something -- she's not able to throw up her hands and say, what does it matter? this is a big deal. how do you explain the gap between reset and crimea? >> well, i think as secretary of state hillary clinton definitely held the line against putin. she's been very aggressive, continues to be. i think we'll hear that over and over again. she's the kind of leader this country is looking for. we can see it in the polls every day. not just democrat, mind you, but she's leading across the board because of her leadership in the world and particularly in the united states with women and families. so you've got both going on. and i'm really pleased that she's out there speaking for us. >> first of all, the reset button, obviously, short circuited. this is a ridiculous attempt, what they did there, that photo op. in her time iran got the bomb. ukraine is under water. benghazi, the disaster at

benghazi. our relationship with israel so the worst it's been in a generation. she's a failed secretary of state and, paul, that's what we're going to be focused on when she runs for president in 2016. not all the things you want us to be talking about -- >> like jobs, health care. >> let's talk about hillary care for a minute. >> let me talk about benghazi first. you went -- >> you want to talk about benghazi? >> this is a record for my friends on the right. i timed it, 4 minutes and 48 seconds -- you didn't personally, but the show went for 4 minutes and 48 seconds. to paraphrase joe biden seem like my friends on the right have the sentence structure being a noun a verb and benghazi. >> you sound like the '90 ost. you're making this old news before this is old news. >> this has been litigated and investigated. >> oh, my god, you're henry waxman all of a sudden. >> she'd been under oath for seven hour, house and senate.

there had been an independent investigation. how many attacks on embassies and consulates were there when bush was president? >> i've heard this throughout the '90s, the dissembling, you guys making it old news when it was the first day. >> how many? >> four people died at benghazi. >> how many died in -- >> trying to make it old news. >> how many died in the 13 attacks under bush and you didn't say a peep. this is politics. >> it's always politics, paul. you guys attack george bush all throughout his -- >> i did not attack him when those embassies were attack and those consites were. >> this is tragic, but the american people have been reading the same headlines we're reading and the truth is they're standing with secretary clinton. so much that they're ready to see her run for president of the united states. >> and i look forward to that campaign. >> i do, too. >> not as much as i do. >> one instinctive response which was a throwback to the late '90s when you said she can run on jobs. >> absolutely.

>> did you see this morning's jobs report? this is the weakest recovery since the great depression. and obama care makes it weaker. now if this continues for two more years, how is she going to run on, a, if obama care keeps decaying, which she said this week was so important we have to stick with it, b, if the economy stays this weak, how do you run on an unemployment and destroyed health care system? >> she tried to develop, by the way, in 1993 with you. >> which was so good -- >> i know, i know it's hard. it's hard. >> go ahead. >> no, it's clear that hillary clinton is her own person here. she's going to -- if she decides to do this, which we should keep in mind, she hasn't decided if she's running for president of the united states. but she has a clear vision for economic opportunity in this country, and we are coming out of this recession. it has been slow, but it has been difficult. >> we're five years into a debacle. >> let's also keep in mind that the republican party here has no vision for the future, but in

fact, has a great vision for rolling us back decades on all sorts of issues that affect women and families in this country. >> so i just want to get this straight because i'm trying to understand how people on the left think. one of the great virtues of being on "crossfire." so the unemployment going up this morning was a sign of progress? i just try to understand. >> that's what they're trying to tell you. >> the number of jobs went up. >> the jobs went up. and that is really important. that's what we should be looking at. we continue to add jobs every month. is it as fast as we want? no, but we also have a republican party particularly, if i dare say it, that refuses to do anything to move this country forward, but loves gridlock and obstruction helped by senator mcconnell on the other side. >> but here's the most interesting thing in terms of the burden hillary will carry. she has two burdens. one is obama, is she with him, does she repudiate him, does she dance in between? the other stated brilliant by by bernie sanders today in an

interview and bernie went on to say, people are hurting and it is important for leadership now to explain to them why they're hurting. i don't think that is the politics of senator clinton or the democratic establishment. i mean, isn't it fair to say that if you watch it go around the country at $200,000 a speech, you watch the scale of money that she and her husband raised, you watch the associations are getting, the size of their super pac friends, she represents the insider big business, big government, big labor system and i think bernie's going to run and that will be his theme. if you really want the old order, hillary clinton after 40 years in public life is really the old order. >> the american people disagree with you on this. she's been a champion for women. >> she's got old and tired ideas and that will be born out in the campaign. >> i think you are -- >> was jimmy carter. that's what we've been saying for the last 40 years.

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welcome back to "crossfire." we're debating what's happening right now at the republican party's circular firing squad also known as cpac. normally i don't mind at all watching the republican party tear itself apart but one thing today really got my attention. every patriotic american ought to be appalled to hear what ted cruz said when he insulted john

mccain and bob dole. these are two genuine american war heroes yet the junior senator from texas who never served in the u.s. military or even in the canadian army of his country of birth, he claimed that these war heroes were not principled. >> and of course all of us remember president dole. and president mccain. and president romney. look, those are good men, they're decent men, but when you don't stand and draw a clear distinction, when you don't stand for principle, democrats celebrate. >> don't stand for principle. well, today bob dole, a 90-year-old war hero from the greatest generation who fought and blood for our country in world war ii fired back. he said this. cruz should check my voting record before making comments. i was one of president reagan's strongest supporters. he is right. and mr. bossie don't you agree with john mccain that ted should

apologize to bob dole? >> no, not at all. >> you don't agree with -- you did not stand by principle. >> i didn't hear in that clip senator cruz say anything about bob dole or john mccain a's service. i heard him talk about political campaigns, the presidential campaigns. i think he was right. the reason that guys, that those men lost is they tried to be too much in the middle. that is where they lost the base and that's where they lost the election. >> music to my ears. because elections are won in the middle. mr. bossie is conceding the center to my party and i hope it's hillary clinton, get ready for another four years of democrats in the white house. >> in 2012 we saw a number of republicans stand on principle in the united states senate races, folks like todd aiken and we saw how that works, so this is great news. >> those are different. >> i think it's very different. and if you look at governors races there are a number of people hike scott walker who have stood on principle, won

decisively in blue states and maybe set a stage for an interesting 2016. paul's right, we have a wide open party right now. there are no front-runners, there are just runners. lots of people out there with lots of ideas and the range from rand paul to chris christie is a pretty wide range. on the other hand, i have to ask you, you're for hillary. right now, i would say right now hillary is the prohibitive favorite although i have to confess i thought she'd be the nominee until april. the machine was so big the name was so big and she and her husband was so good that as late as april she may be the nominee. i may be getting sucked in. hillary coasts to a coronation, doesn't get any significant testing and suddenly finds herself in a general election she's unprepared for. isn't there a certain cloying effect of having somebody so dominant after eight years of already being in the white house that there's no serious

competition in 2016? >> first, we're already seeing an impulse today that she has -- she doesn't just have a lead like she had in 2007, this is a different situation. she is way far ahead. i mean, if you add up all the other potential democrats in democratic primaries they add up to like 15, 16, 17, all of them. so this is a different situation. you bring up a really good point. but i think this is actually what it's more like. there's energy already building. groups like ready for hillary and emily's list are already have so much energy on the ground like they want to go, they want to organize, they want to get involved in 2014 they're so excited. and we don't have a candidate yet. i'm actually excited about this opportunity to really build from the ground up state by state while we can watch the republicans beat each other up from one extreme to another. >> i just have to say one thing.

would you like to suggest that hillary's got so much dynamic excitement, so much support and enthusiasm she'll turn the tide around this fall and you are not going to lose seats in the senate and not lose seats in the house. i don't think so. >> we are up against history. six years into the administration not the best time for the party in power. we have candidates that will buck that history in places like kentucky and georgia, if i may. we're going to pick up some senate seats here. >> let's get history straight here. hillary clinton was the juggernaut that she is now, she was it in 2007. donna brazile, other democrat leaders were saying it is hers for the taking. it will be hillary clinton. she is the nominee without question. no one else can even come close. then this guy who had no name i.d., no organization and no money, for that matter, ran to her left and beat her very late

in the process. as a matter of fact, so late i actually made a movie, i spent a lot of money, made a movie about her hoping it would be about hillary losing. let me quibble a little. >> fundamentally you're right, by the way, and so is newt. these things aren't given away. if she runs, i really want her to, she will be hosted vigorously in my party and that's america. that's good. >> you just called the circular firing squad when the republicans are doing it. >> yes. this is the difference. you're praising ted cruz, nothing could be better for me, abandon the center. hillary runs, she is what she is. she's a centrist democrat. ted cruz, he's not a moderate republican. he's a mcgovern. >> i think he's more like reagan. >> he's lefty like mcgovern and we carried one state. >> you think ronald reg began

and -- >> there are many candidates, many candidates who are going to be able to articulate the conservative republican message. >> tell me, please, give me a good weekend. >> i would be very excited. >> not as excited as me, my brother. >> this guy is a who stater. >> you're in a fantasy world. >> we have had four years of secretary of state hillary clinton. >> out to the pasture. >> you and the republicans are so desperate to make it so. the american people see it much differently. that's why we see her leading in all of the poles. because she is a different person today. >> no. no. >> she did. polls in 2016 are premature. polls about her secretary of state are not, take a look. pull back today. >> i want to get it right. you probably won't. >> 67% of americans after you

guys had been attacking her day and night. of that 66%, republicans say she did a good job. and 68% say she is strong despite all of your attacks on benghazi. do you think voters are stupid if they don't understand? >> no. >> i think the mainstream media brings it. her campaign is going to consist of iran getting the bomb, benghazi, putin running all over the world with this reset clip being shown all over the place. we're welcoming that campaign. stay here. we want you to weigh in at home on today's fire back question. which party has deeper elections. tweet us and we'll have the results after the break. we also have the outrages of the day including some people

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my advice is get off his back. let the president be ineffective wherever he wants and enjoy your weekend. >> thank you, i think. that was brilliant. i have to say, that was brilliant. i hope he enjoys his weekend. i am outraged he was excluded from the cepac. they made room for anti--u.n. extremist and every hillary hater in america but byte gop or crowd. fine because they're gay. that's not even the worst exclusion. the one i'm worst outraged about. me. last time i had the best time debating my. person, carl. boys, i did he have snitly won't kiss glue that is a real relief. let's check on our fire back results. which party has deeper divisions heading into the election.

right now 11% if you say republicans. >> there you go. >> people have spoken. david, can you defend your people. you have to do that. >> david and stephanie, thank you very much for joining us. the debate continues, of course at cnn.com/crossfire as well as on the fsh and from the left i'm paul ba gala. from the right, i'm newt gg. "erin burnett outfront" starts "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com

next, vladimir putin defined a day after his call with president obama. the russian president tightens his grip on crimea tonight. plus, charges filed against a pregnant woman who drove her children into the ocean. hear the 911 call from her sister. potentially damming testimony at the oscar pistorius trial. let's go out front. "out front." good friday evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. we begin "out front" with breaking news. president obama calling on a major ally to help bring president putin