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>> there's a feeling of loss. because the plane has. been found, we still hope we'll be together, the way we were before. >> some families cling to hope, all wait desperately for any news, and resolution to what happened to their loved ones. thank you very much for watch g watching. "piers morgan live" starts now. this is cnn breaking news. >> this is "piers morgan live." tonight breaking news. you're looking at what may and i emphasize may be left of flight 370. a tiny dot in the middle of a satellite image from china. the malaysian air force is on its way right there right now. the chinese say it shows what they believe are three floating objects. they're bigger than they look. biggest about 79 feet by 72 feet. in the right place, close to where contact with the plane was lost, where the south china sea meets the gulf of thailand. this could be a very big clue. the families who have been hoping against hope they
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wouldn't hear but it also raises new questions. these images were captured on sunday. did the chinese know what they had? if so why did they wait so long to reveal these images to the world? how long will it take searches to find the site and does this mean the plane didn't change course? as we have been told originally by malaysian government. these images of course tell us nothing about what happened with the plane. was it catastrophic mechanical failure, terrorism or something else? our big story is of course the breaking news on missing flight 370. chinese satellite images that may show the crash site have e merged. cnn's jim sciutto is here with more. jim, are these pictures credible? do people think this is the missing plane? >> it's too early to say, really. we've talked to experts who look at those pictures and they say in fact they're too big to be pieces of a plane that would have hit the water at speed. that's a view. the chinese government released them, and this is a chinese agency that runs their satellites flying over this part of the world and around the world.
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they list this as a possible wreckage site. and you have to think that china would have looked and studied these photos for some time before releasing them. and right now we have just learned the malaysian air force is now sending a plane to that area, a search plane, to examine that wreckage more closely. >> now, these dot images do bear a striking similarity to ones that appeared pretty quickly after the event and were purportedly recorded at the same time, lending more credence to perhaps their validity. presumably the chinese wouldn't have released these if they didn't have a pretty strong sense that it may be the plane. >> i think that's a fair point. i spent a lot of time in china. i think this is a country first of all where the bulk of the victims on that plane presumed victims are chinese, more than 150 people. you have a lot of very emotional victims family members and just members of the general public who want to know what happened with this plane. it would be a tremendous risk for the government to release photos that turn out to be a red herring.
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and it would be a loss of face as well. so i think that's a sign they did at least some of their homework. but they may not be sure, either. we also noticed that chinese state media is not leading with this as a headline. it's not on the headlines of the newspapers or on chinese state media broadcasts. so that may be a sign of some caution on their part as well. >> one of the main problems with all this, particularly for these poor families, waiting for news, has been the hopelessly conflicted informational, disinformation that's been pouring out from the malaysian officials, malaysian government and so on that. that really has been unhelpful to everyone concerned, hasn't it? >> no question. and this is a classic example of the conflict, right? you have chinese -- the chinese government releasing evidence that this flight went down to the south and east of that last contact where the transponder went off. you had the malaysian military air force in the last 24, 48 hours talking about this radar data that put it hundreds of
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miles to the south and west. in fact, on the other side as you look at that map there that peninsula out into the indian ocean. always looking for a needle in the haystack, right now needles in two hay stacks. and worries about cooperate here -- cooperation here, because the malaysian air force shared that radar donata we have been talki about and reporting on in the last 24 hours. >> jim sciutto, thank you very much indeed. bring in now science educator bill nye, jim tillman, aviation expert and fran townsend, cnn national security analyst and homeland security adviser to president george w. bush. jim tillman, you're a very experienced pilot. yesterday we were working on a theory that had come from comments from malaysian officials that this plane had taken a massive detour, almost
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done a u-turn and gone way off course for hundreds of miles. now we have images released by the chinese which if they are genuine would seem to suggest the plane had in fact stayed on course. and we're therefore getting two completely different versions of events. what do you read into this? >> i read the fact that there's conflicting information. i read into the fact that this is a very frustrating investigation. and i wonder who's really running it. because even this satellite imagery, i really hope it's correct. i really -- that would make things so much better. we would have a chance to nail down some things. but the more i study it, i'm not a radar expert. but i can tell you the more i study it with my eyes it looks like it's the wrong size, the wrong everything else to be the parts of the aim. -- airplane. i know this airplane very well. and i got to tell you, i can't think of parts that are going to be something in the neighborhood of 70 by 70 feet. that's really an odd ball shape. but anyway, i think the thing that really stands out on this whole thing is the lack of real
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control at some point where somebody's making conscious right decisions and giving us information we can rely on. >> fran townsend, in relation to the chinese having these images for a few days and only releasing them today, there is a theory they did this so they wouldn't tip off other countries that they had satellite capability like this. which would seem to be a very political maneuver that wouldn't be in the best interests of people trying to find the plane. what is the american view of this at high level? >> you know, piers, look. the chinese are very militarily capable. and so no question that they have very sophisticated satellite technical capability and analytic capability. for one, you would have had to have gone through the images over a period of time since the plane disappeared. and as you've seen physically it's hard to find. by the way, going over these -- pouring over these very carefully, the satellite images is a time-consuming process. so we shouldn't presume they had them and they held them. it may have taken them awhile to
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understand what they had. that's the first piece. the second piece is, you can't presume that the images you're seeing were precisely what was captured. if the chinese captured these with very sophisticated technical capability, they may not want to release publicly the pure image itself. they could release images that allowed investigators to know the general vicinity and the timing of that image, but you might not have wanted to know -- the general public to note angle. you might not have wanted them to know the actual -- sort of how refined your capability is. how far can you see and with what degree of visibility? and so for a whole bunch of intelligence gathering reasons you might have wanted to mask the real depth of the chinese capability. they would have had to have done that then before they released it, all of which adds to the delay you're talking about. >> bill nye, look. we've spent days now trying to make sense of what is at the moment nonsensical.
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you're a scientist. you actually worked at boeing, worked on the black boxes for awhile. so you're good guy to ask about this. what does your gut tell you has happened here? >> i think that the plane -- i would not be surprised to find that those satellite images do represent some part of the plane, and that those images have not been -- the full resolution hasn't been released by the chinese government or chinese space administration because there's a big thing in spy satellites, you don't want the other guy to know what you know. and i bet -- it's not unreasonable to me rather that somebody in the chinese space administration or the military space administration in china figured that people would find this plane in a pretty straightforward fashion. and the thing that would lead you to that plane would to my way of thinking will be the pinger. this is a device about as big as your fist that makes a loud ringing sound underwater.
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if you can get a hydrophone, a microphone that works underwater near that thing, you will find it. and it's very reasonable to me that the chinese space authorities said well they're going to find it. we don't need to release this image. but then two thirds of the passengers were chinese nationals. after awhile somebody -- i'm going to throw this out in middle management said we got to release these images. >> it may be possible they have much better images. >> oh, yes. >> which they didn't want people to know because it would reveal too much of their machinery. >> i've spent a lot of time with ufo images. when you look closely at that, it looks like the triangular or the three dots are somewhat de-tuned. now, this is speculation. you can't help it. >> it wouldn't make any difference. they've given the coordinates of where they were taken. therefore it wouldn't hamper now the search. we need to get a microphone near that. >> jim tillman, you're not the only pilot and aviation expert i've heard in the last few hours saying you just don't believe the pictures that we can see albeit blurry ones could be
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parts of this particular plane because the shape just does not seem right. >> well, it doesn't. and you get so cynical after awhile after being disappointed after disappointed. because they keep giving us information that turns out to be wrong. and then they contradict themselves. and it's like a very very frustrating procedure that we're going through. i would acknowledge that a lot that you just heard from the other two people is perhaps true. it's very good analysis and everything else. i hope that they're right. i hope this is part of the airplane. it's going to solve a lot of problems and at least get us someplace where we can pinpoint and say this is something we can rely on. i've had so little to rely on since i've been investigating this business until it's unbelievable. >> let me ask you this, jim tillman. if it has held its course as these images, if they turn out to be parts of the plane would
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lead us to believe, in other words it didn't take this huge detour and that was just duff information from the malaysian officials. if it held its course, would that lend more support to it being some kind of a difference either way? >> i got to tell you you're right. we go back to square one where we have something catastrophic that happened just as they were being turned over to the other air traffic control as they were being handed off to the vietnamese air traffic control. they came out with one final roger and then silence. and the transponders went offline. all those things happened simultaneously. so i still feel very strongly we have something that happened that was really catastrophic, something they didn't prepare for, something they weren't aware was going to happen. and it happened so suddenly and so completely that they were not able to cope with it, to fly, and they weren't able to transmit their information. >> and in all your experience,
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if it was some kind of mechanical failure, i.e. an accident, what would cause such a catastrophic failure that no one was able to make any kind of distress signal and there would be no trace of it? >> well, i've been running that past my brain now ever since this thing happened. there's one possibility would be a total electrical failure, which it's very very hard to imagine. because they have so many generators coming from different places. they even have -- if all the engine generators fail, they still have what's called a rat. that's the generator that literally falls out of the bottom of the airplane, has a propeller on it and ram air turns that and gives them generating power enough to go ahead and fly the airplane safely. so i'm saying, electrical failure, it would have to be total, have to be absolutely incredible like we've not heard of before. emergency decompression. could be something that could happen. but even there, you only have
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about 12, 15 seconds of air that you can breathe safely before you have to go on oxygen. if they were delaying getting their oxygen mask on, the crew would be incapacitated and almost anything could happen from that point forward. but you have to go crazy with speculation before you finish this. >> okay. bill, i was going to let you go. actually stay with me. we'll be joined after the break -- take a short break, bill. when we come back your reaction to that. stay with me. fran and jim, you stay with me. and the editor to aviation security national.
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missing flight 370. if they prove to be the real deal what will they tell us what happened? joining me the editor of aviation security international. back with me bill nye, jim tillman and fran townsend. the question here i may put this to bill nye first. from sherry rosenbalm who's tweeted me. one expert said if pieces that big came from the airplane they would be too heavy to float. no mention of that since. pretty good point. 70 foot by 70 foot. >> we're all speculating. what if they're rafts? what if they're gas-filled wings that broke off and float because the kerosene, the jet fuel is less dense than water? but i want to ask jim a question. would you agree that when stuff goes wrong on planes there's two things that make things go wrong on planes.
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maintenance and then a series of small things that just get out of hand. one thing leads to another. and then it gets away from you. >> i've never heard of an aviation accident where one thing made the difference. as a matter of fact, it's almost always a series of events. and if you change any one of those items along that chain of events no accident. so yes, you're right. it would have to be some kind of a series of things that happened one after another and lined up just right for the perfect storm. >> let me ask you this then, jim. if that is the case and that's a fascinating answer, and a great question, bill, if that is the case why would nobody on the plane have signaled any of these problems to anybody outside the plane? back at the airline or wherever? why would there just be nothing? >> this would not be the first accident where we didn't get any kind of response from the cockpit. if they're busy up there because they've got a problem they're dealing with, flying the airplane is their major objective. that's the first thing and the
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last thing they want to do. so communication, sure. they will get to that. but before then they may be too busy to talk to anybody just trying to handle the emergency. so i don't put too much weight into that. i just simply say, whatever it was it was awful. >> okay. phillip balm, editor of aviation security international. the whole aviation industry has been buzzing about the stories for days. i've read millions of theories. and we are in the speculation business. i know as much about what happened as you do as bill nye does as any of the viewers. but we have to speculate because only through asking questions can we possibly get to some kind of helpful answer. for me, aviation industry experts that you've talked to, what is the most regular theory that you're hearing that makes the most sense? >> okay. when i'm primarily dealing with the security space, and ever
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more so since the malaysians themselves came out 36 hours ago and said that they were looking at four scenarios, hijacking, sabotage and psychological or personal problems amongst passengers and crew. certainly a lot of the people i'm speaking to are seriously worried that there may be something like pilot suicide as an issue here. that would give every explanation as to why there would be no communication from the aircraft. it wouldn't be the first time. in november last year we had a mozambique airlines pilot who decided to crash his aircraft and everybody on board died when the plane crashed in namibia. egyptair out of new york. silkair, royal air, there have been a number of incidents like that. >> let me stop you there, philip, let me ask you a follow-up on that specific point because that is a very
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interesting response you have given in those other circumstances you just listed. was there no warning in any of those, either, at all to anybody that this was happening? >> well, if you are dealing with hijackers on board an aircraft, whether it was an organized gang or whether it was some psychologically disturbed individual, that if somebody managed to gain access to the flight deck and neutralize the crew then again there wouldn't necessarily be any communication at all. as we witnessed on september 11th. if there was explosive decompression, if a bomb detonated on the aircraft there would be no communication. you have to look at pan am 103 over lockerbie, no communication in that instance. i think those in the industry if you're thinking about the bomb theory, slightly less credible because you would have expected to have found debris by now in the crash zone. >> okay. let me bring back jim tillman. the pilot's home apparently has been searched for any clues at all. they found a flight simulator at his home. sould we read anything into that? is that common?
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do many pilots have simulators at home? >> i didn't read anything into it in the beginning because some pilots do like to have that to kind of tinker with. if they're going to be flying the next month into an airport they haven't been in before they can program that and get some experience in doing that in practice. but then i rethought it. and i wondered if this pilot really had some plan in mind about what it was going to be that was going to deviate from all the things he'd been taught -- for example duck under the radar and fly at 500 feet off the ground or whatever else. he would need to practice. he's got the equipment to do that with. >> okay. let me turn to fran townsend. lots and lots of theories, fan. -- fran. with precious little facts emerging. from the assumption -- let's work on the assumption here this has been some kind of terror act. what are you hearing from your sources about if that is a theory who would have anything to gain by doing this? given that two-thirds of the passengers are chinese?
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>> you know, first of all you ask yourself if this was a terrorist attack, who's most likely to have that sort of capability to organize themselves to have sufficient strength and capability on the plane to get past security, to get on there, to get into the cockpit to do it. you talked last night about one of these pilots having allowing passengers to sit inside the cockpit. those are the sorts of vulnerabilities in terms of looking for an opportunity. but i'll tell you, there are not many groups that you look at state sponsors, look at capable terror groups like al-qaeda, like hezbollah. but there are not a lot. and frankly, it doesn't make sense to me that by now you wouldn't have had a claim of responsibility. the whole purpose of launching a terror attack is to instill fear, to take credit, to recruit and to raise finances. and so none of that if you don't take credit, if you've got a successful attack.
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>> fran, what about the iranian angle? >> can i cut in? >> yes. >> sorry, piers, there is one group. the east turkistan islamic movement that is campaigning for the independence of sinjung province from china that has already tried to destroy two airliners. they tried on a flight from arumchi to beijing using a female suicide individual to destroy a china southern aircraft. almost six years to the day before the loss of mh 370. and then a tiangjin airlines flight. they tried a group of individuals who managed to conceal their prohibited items inside crutches when they portrayed themselves to be handicapped individuals. they've tried it before. and only on the first of march in kuming they carried out a terrorist attack in a train station. if they want international credibility as an organization,
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then maybe they've taken their fight international. why malaysia? well, new year's eve last year the malaysian government deported six ethnic wigers back to china which caused huge controversy internationally. so it is only a possibility. but there is definitely one group that might want to go down that route. >> that's a very interesting thing you just said. i was going to ask fran about the iranian link simply because you've got the two young iranians with stolen passports on the flight. it appears to be discounted because they've worked out where they were going and what their potential motive was, asylum and so on. it comes in the same week that al jazeera had a documentary which seemed to point to new evidence the iranians may have been behind the lockerbie aircraft bombing rather than as has been thought for many years the libyans. so you have, if that is true, of a potential link, nothing more than that, of if it is iranian involvement them doing an
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atrocity and not claiming responsibility. >> that's right, piers. it may be that that really is just a coincidence, that lockerbie report and these two young iranians who were traveling on false passports. i'll tell you. you talk to security and intelligence officials here in the united states, and all seem reasonably satisfied that they have run all of the information, all the related leads to those two individuals who turn out they were on false passports on the wrong flight and now are part of the missing victims. >> fran townsend, thank you very much. jim tillman, thank you very much. and phillip balm thank you very much. bill nye you're going stay and come back a bit later to talk about more of this. but after the break i'll talk to a woman whose husband was on board flight 370 and left his wedding ring and watch at home for their two young sons in case anything happened to him. she'll talk to me live after the break. hey there, i just got my bill, and i see that it includes my fico® credit score...
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uygh the families of 237 peo on board flight 370 are waiting for word tonight and hoping that their worst fears don't come true. danica weeks is one of those. her husband paul is a mechanical engineer on his way to a job in mongolia. before he left he took off his wedding ring and his watch and told his wife to give them to his young sons if something happened to him. and danica weeks joins me now by skype live from her home in perth, australia.
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danica weeks, thank you so much for joining me. and let me stay at the very start of this how all our hearts go out to you and to all the families waiting for some news, any news of what has happened. first of all, how are you coping with your two young children with this devastating news? >> yeah. not well. we're taking it slowly and just trying to keep myself distracted as i'm sure every family member is. you just hear all the news. and i'm trying not to take too much of it in. because it's been a bit of a roller coaster. one minute it's this and then the next minute that's not confirmed. so that's the toughest part every day waking up and speaking, looking on the news and seeing that there's nothing and there's no cause for malaysia to say we've found something. every day it just seems like it's an eternity. it's an absolute eternity. we can only go by minute and just try and get through the day
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and hope something comes soon. we're wishing for the best of course. but it's not looking as it gets further down the track it's not looking good. >> your husband paul, he left for a job in mongolia, a 28-day job at transwest mongolia, mining and construction equipment company. you've got two young sons, lincoln who's three and jack who's just ten months. and before he left, paul left you his watch and he also left you other items for your kids. why did he do that do you think? >> look, we had a car accident on december 30th. and so i'm just glad we got to talk about these things and our plans should something happen to us. because we were afraid after that we sort of had a reality check that one of us could go or both of us.
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and he -- obviously he can't take his ring -- well, he can't wear it on the mine site. so he said to me as he was leaving, i'm going to leave my wedding ring here. no use me leaving it in my room on-site. so i'm going to leave my wedding ring and my watch. and should anything happen to me, i want the ring to go to the first son that's married and the watch to the second. and i said something to him like, don't be stupid. just come back and i'll give it back to you and you can give it to them. so i've got them here. i'm praying that i can give that back to him. it's all i can hold onto. because there's no finality to it and we're not getting any information. and whether they know anything and they're not telling us, at this stage it's just blank. just blank waiting and praying. praying.
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>> what kind of man is paul? >> he's amazing. he's amazing. he's the most amazing husband and the most amazing father. he's spent just so much time with his kids. he always bathed them every night. he'd take lincoln to golf. he'd take him to the zoo. lincoln was his little shadow. and of course, jack, he just adored jack. and he was extremely intelligent. and he worked hard. and he just tried to do everything right for his family. all the jobs, everything he does he always thought about us. and he was doing this for the right reason. it was his dream job. and he'd worked weeks in time to get up to speed and be there hit the ground running because that's the kind of man he was. he was strong. he's from the army.
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they train them strongly there. so he had strength, character, he's just so much -- he's my best friend and my soul mate. and i just can't wait for him to come back. i hope. i hope. >> i'm so sorry for you, danica. it's utterly heart-breaking listening to you talking. i can't even imagine the agony of sitting there with no information, with the whole world speculating. that's all anybody can do. because nobody knows what has happened here. and it's such a freakish situation. and you're right at the sharp end of this. and it can be nobody watching this who isn't feeling as affected as i am by what you're clearly going through. the last contact you had with paul was i think an e-mail that he sent you just before he got
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on the plane, is that right? >> yes. yeah. he sent one just before he left from perth. we cried when he left. this was a big change for the family. and to be going to fly out, and we'd prepared lincoln. paul had gone and bought him a little pad to skype him and a map with -- where daddy was going to be. and like we said goodbye. of course i burst into tears and so did paul. he's like stop. be strong for lincoln. don't let this affect him. so he sent us a message from there just saying miss you already. and we went off to soccer. you and the boys are my world. i'm looking forward. i'll speak to you soon and send another message. anyway, he sent another one from just before he got on the flight to go to beijing. and again because i'd written
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one back to him in between telling him what we'd been up to. and he wrote, loving you again and you complete me. i think the last line was, this counts as one day so that means it's only 27 days until i see you all again. lots of love, paul. so, yeah. that was the last. because he didn't have a phone so we were communicating by e-mail. so that's the last i have from him. >> danica, let me ask you this. several of the families i think at the chinese end claim that they have been able to dial or to call the cell phones had got a dialling tone. did you try to do that with paul? did he have a cell phone? >> no, he didn't. that was the thing that went through my brain as soon as i heard that. i thought, oh, my gosh, i've checked my service to see if he's e-mailed me.
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but you can only do that so long. and in the course i've got nothing. so i had no phone. i've got no phone. he had handed back his work phone and was anticipating getting a new phone. and he didn't know what would work in mongolia. he needed to figure all that up and speak with the team over there at transwest. so all that stuff hadn't been set up. so i couldn't even have thought, oh, gosh, just be amazing to try it. but no, he didn't have one with him. and i just don't know anyone else. they did offer for us to go there and be on the ground and get updates. but i just couldn't get on with my two young sons and paul's family, too. we're pacing up and down the house here. at least we're in familiar surroundings. those poor people, i know what they're going through.
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but to be over there in the midst of it, it would just be too much. i've got to keep some normality for my sons. >> and in terms of the information that you are getting, have you had any calls at all from anybody at the airline informing you of any updates? >> no. i mean they were calling me quite often to begin with. we didn't hear from them -- i sort of had to chase them down. i was just thinking this morning how you sort of -- it's been a blur so i'm going back over what's happened. and i contacted the new zealand consulate of australia first. they put me onto new zealand and the consulate contacted me and said can they give your details to them. i was like yes, of course. will someone please tell us something. we found out via a reporter that something had happened to the plane. so from there they were in some constant contact.
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but when they were bringing in -- they were doing sort of too early. but they had no information. and so every time the phone rings of course my heart jumps out of my chair. still i think is this it? so i did ask -- i've spoken with the lady here i'm in contact with and said just text me. but i've been waking up every morning. and of course reporters have been calling and have been nice enough to inform me what's going on. because i can't look it up myself. and so no. look today i've heard nothing. heard nothing today. so whether there's new information, i don't know. i've got nothing from them today. nothing. >> danica, i know that you're clutching the ring that paul left. i also know that as a family you've survived earthquakes in new zealand and a car accident. you've had a lot of luck in your lives. you must just be sitting there i guess praying that you get some
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luck here and that this ends somehow, not in the way that you fear. but i just don't know what to say to you. i just hope that somehow you get something which gives you some kind of peace of mind. because it's a devastating situation that you and your family are in. >> i know as time goes on, i mean, i'm not deluded by the fact that as this goes on there's less and less chance of finding anything. but there's no finality to it. i can't give up. and i can't -- you just sort of think at what stage, there's no menu for this. but if you knew at what stage you could sort of let go. but i don't ever want to let go. so it's going to be just hope and pray.
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i just have to keep hoping. i know my brain is getting slimmer and slimmer but my heart just won't let it go. i've got my two kids. they're the hardest to look at tonight. they have been robbed from such an amazing father and an amazing man. and that is just too much. i've just got to take it slowly. >> danica, thank you so much. thank you so much for taking the time to speak to me. i don't know how you even conduct an interview given what is going through your mind. i do appreciate it. we will continue to try and get any information that we can. everyone at cnn will. everyone else -- every other news network, just try and get some answers to questions that you must be wrestling with every second of the day. i just wish you and your family all the very best and hope that you get the answers sooner rather than later. thank you very much. >> thank you. thank you for your time. >> we'll be right back.
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tonight are connected to the missing plane. another report from reuters the vietnamese have searched the area and are now sending me -- sending another plane. joining me now the man who discovered the wreck of the titanic, bob ballard. bob we spoke last night before we saw these images. when you saw them in the water what was your reaction? >> well, i wouldn't be surprised if they are the wreckage. compared to what we knew yesterday where it was so confusing, the turning, the thought that they might have seen it in the malacca straits. but now the dots are starting to connect. if you plot where they say it went down, if you plot where the chinese images are coming from and don't forget mike mckay's observation from that oil platform where he saw the fire in the sky on a bearing of 265. if you plot that they're all converging on a spot. the thing i would like to see is the latitude and longitude of
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the vietnamese oil slick shortly after it went down. because when we searched for the turkish fighter jet off syria that the syrians shot down, the wreckage was directly beneath the oil slick. >> and bill nye is with me, mentioned to ask you whether you knew if any of the american navy are out there and if so are they using hydrophone which is a very sophisticated form of tracking underwater. >> well, they certainly have that capability. i think initially what they've been trying to do is find wreckage. they've been out there with very high-quality search radars for wreckage on the surface. but i think the time has come now to begin listening for the underwater device. i would think that we're starting to get a box that we can start to search. so that's what i would begin the actual search operation in the
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area of the reported loss as well as where the vietnamese airplanes saw the oil slick. because if you know anything about the circulation of the current this time of year in that area, it's counterclockwise. and so it makes sense that the debris would be to the east and south of the impact site. and that's where the chinese images are coming from. and i would agree with bill, i'll bet they have a lot better images and in fact those images might be conclusively showing that it's wreckage. >> bob ballard, thank you very much again for joining me tonight. when we come back i'll go back to bill nye about the so-called black box. bill nye used to work on the black boxes with boeing. he is an expert in this area, and maybe we can get to the bottom of how that can help find
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plane they don't tell the story. back with me now is bill nye. bill, you went to boeing and also worked separately on black boxes. tell me your experiences and what you believe is the importance of the black box. >> the black box means you don't know what is inside, that is all. in here, it is bright orange so if you're a diver under water you may find them. or on land you can find them. the idea is, you heard of the flight data recorder. the least important thing it keeps track of is the voices in the cockpit, it keeps track of all the other data on the plane, the control surfaces, the throttle. that sort of thing. the thing in this thin outer shell, it is virtually an indestructible set. it houses the information. and also there will be a pinger which makes a pinging sound. >> and that lasts about a month? >> about a month, yeah, several
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weeks under water. >> if they get near it, they should be able to hear it. >> if they get near the helicopter, lure the -- >> if they hear this they will be able to find it? >> i'm sure. i just want to point out the things that go wrong with planes are maintenance, so this air worthiness director, this ad, if that was not addressed and something was wrong in the cockpit, they didn't have good cockpit security, maybe just an unruly passenger distracted them long enough, that could be a reason. the other thing is the wreckage spread out all over the place. sullenberger landed without any warning. >> what will strike people that is quite bizarre and will be
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surprising, you have these black boxes that just got better and better over the years, why is there nothing inside them that can simply direct something back to them? >> oh, it is, but when you're under water, you rely on the pinger, in the sky, the radar. and it's down there. >> bill nye, thank you very much. we appreciate it. we'll be right back. are you still sleeping? just wanted to check and make sure that we were on schedule. the first technology of its kind... mom and dad, i have great news. is now providing answers families need.
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plane. tomorrow, much more on flight 370. where is that plane? the satellite images, the search and the latest on what happened to the people on board. it will be right here tomorrow night. that is it for us. on this episode of death row stories, a white woman is brutally beaten. and murdered. >> blood spatter on the walls, the crime scene was unbelievable. >> and a black man is arrested. >> his fingerprint was found. there were a number of hairs on the victim's bed. >> but after a death sentence, a law intern has her doubts. >> there was something wrong. i started seeing what the lies were. >> and the case begins to unravel. >> there are those that have a hidden agenda. >> is it a fair trial?
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