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that would suggest his leg's on, that his story's accurate. ten seconds, i got to wrap it up. >> in the end what difference does it make he had the legs on or off? the real question is did they have a fight and was he shooting at her in anger through that door? we'll see how the attorneys sum that up in the end. >> lots more to go. paul, thank you. as always appreciate it. out of time. thanks for watching everyone. my colleague, wolf blitzer, takes over now. wolf blitzer reporting from washington. confusion and contradictions, that's what investigators are coming up with six days into the disappearance of malaysia airlines flight 370. here's what we know right now. an aviation source tells cnn there's no technical data to suggest that the plane continued to fly for hours after it lost contact. the source disagrees with "the wall street journal" report. newspaper says engine data showed the plane may have flown for additional four hours. malaysian officials say search
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crews found nothing in an area where chinese satellite images showed objects floating in the sea. they say the pictures were released by mistake. they didn't show any debris related to the plane. that from china. let's dig deeper into the conflicting reports about the malaysia airlines flight 370. richard quest has been working his sources. richard, what are you hearing specifically about weather? whether technical data was transmitted from the plane's engines even after that transponder was shut down? >> i'm hearing that it's not true. a senior source said to me that -- i specifically asked. let's be clear, i specifically asked, did the plane continue to transmit data after 1:27. and that person said no. so i follow ed up with the question, is the journal's story accurate? and they said no. now, the journal sticks by its story. there's not a person says its
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wrong. you paid your money and take your choice on this one, wolf. this is the sort of discrepancy that frequently happens in aircraft investigations, but never quite like this when it's something as fundamental with such information that goes to the heart of an investigation that already seems to be well and truly off track. >> malaysian authorities in kuala lumpur, as you know, they're also suggesting "the wall street journal" report is not accurate. they say they've seen no evidence that the plane kept flying for hours. but what more are we hearing from aviation investigators in mala malaysia? >> what we're hearing from them is that first of all we have this idea that the chinese pictures -- let's go to the chinese pictures. firstly, apparently they were delayed in their publication because the chinese authorities were reorbiting the satellite or moving the satellite to get better telemetry, get a better reading on it. secondly, they were released by
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mistake. they have not been notified to the foreign ministry or aviation officials. so they are not considered now to be relevant in this regard. in anyway the vietnamese air force which flew over could find no trace of them. so that gets -- you know, yesterday you said to me on "the situation room," wolf, you said i was appearing optimistic about this because it was the best lead we had. and it was yesterday afternoon. but now that lead has gone. so that's gone. now you've got this "the wall street journal" article and this direct contradictions on that one. so that lead becomes suspect. you're left with where was the plane? and the only position that you can go from is its last known position between malaysia and vietnam at 1:27 when it stopped transponding and this report of radar blips off the west coast of malaysia. >> except for one thing. and the interview i did yesterday -- and i'm going to read specifically to you what
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commander william marks of the u.s. navy seventh fleet told me yesterday. this is yesterday late in the afternoon, early evening washington time. he said we're developing plans to move both our destroyers west. the u.s.s. kid, the u.s.s. pickny to head south and west to the strait of malacca in that direction. so why would the u.s. navy, the seventh fleet, be moving these ships west of malaysia if there's no indication, no solid evidence that the plane for whatever reason left that spot where the transponder stopped sending messages, stopped sending signals and moving it -- moving all these ships now rest of malaysia? >> because they're going on the strength of these radar blips that we've been talking about over the last few days. and obviously now the ntsb and the faa and those who are enormously experienced looking at this telemetry and this raw
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data, they obviously now feel that there is something in this. there's also reports of ships going as far into the indian ocean, which frankly if it is that far, then it's a completely different search operation. i think that you've -- you're back to basically where we were yesterday morning. two distinct search grounds. the first is off the coast of malaysia and in the gulf of thailand and the south china sea. the second off the west coast of malaysia in the strait of malacca. and those remain the focus of attention for their individual reasons, wolf. the first because it was where the last transponder was switched off or was last noted. and the second because of the radar blips on the west coast. there are reasons why they are there, but so far nobody is able to say which has primacy, or if
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they do, they're not telling us. >> richard quest reporting for us. thank you very much. clearly there are baffling questions about what happened to flight 370. let's bring in two experts, steven wallace is former director of the faa's office of accident investigation. and cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes, former fbi director. steven, any of these scenarios make more sense to you? >> wolf, i heard an expert say, you know, it's time to call an investigation of the investigation. and i agree with that. >> the malaysian government's investigation? >> yes. the entire investigation. you know, until you know where the accident occurred, you're not sure which country's in charge. but absent that international waters, the country of registry malaysia is in charge. as near as i can tell, this accident investigation hasn't even started. you convene the parties together, you designate groups to focus on different areas. this is the normal iko process. now, we seem to have a new theory every day. two days ago we were focused on the radar data.
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>> malaysian air force. >> right. people have questioned that. experts i've talked to say there's a lot of reasons that that doesn't look too reliable. but it was worth looking at. yesterday we had this floating piece of wreckage that looked to a lot -- >> chinese satellite image. >> looked to us to be way too big to be any part of the structure because the heavy part, the big parts of the structure don't float. then we had this report of this engine monitoring data and that technology is certainly out there. >> "the wall street journal" report. >> and certainly rolls-royce and malaysian airlines they certainly know if that data exists or not. the consistent threat across those three things, wolf, is we don't have the latest and best information in front of the world's best experts who are there ready to help. in each case the radar data, with the image, there's been a long delay in getting it. and it's not being immediately put in front of the best experts. >> what's your analysis? >> well, i think the biggest
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problem, wolf, at this point from our perspective is that they've done a poor job of managing the. >> who's they? >> the malaysian authorities in charge of this. so the actual investigation at a law enforcement level can only go so far to determine what's happening. and so that's one thing with the police. but the actual authorities that know radars and know the communications systems of the aircraft with the controllers on the ground at the airport in kuala lumpur, you know, what actually the information was and how accurate was it that they had, even if they had good information they're not relaying this in a clear, concise, coherent manner to the public. so this is as much a public relations nightmare as it is an investigative nightmare. >> so do you understand why the u.s. navy, the seventh fleet in the pacific is now sending these destroyers, these ships west of malaysia? far, hundreds of miles away from where the transponder stopped working, to continue the search there? there are other reports as we
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just heard from richard quest that they may be going all the way to the indian ocean? because if those reports have some merit, then that plane was flying for hours after the transponder stopped working. >> well, i think the confusion has been created indicates that maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, but now not rule it out. especially since the search has been so intensive at the place where the transponder stopped transmitting. that area's been covered, i think, they believe. then they look at the straits of malacca which separate the malaysia peninsula from indonesia. and then they consider well, if that flight was westbound as the one air force informant if you will told media, then that plane can fly for another couple thousand miles. if there's a takeover, one way or the other by the pilots themselves or by an intruder to the cockpit and that the transponders were turned off on purpose and there's nothing wrong with that aircraft at that time, the circle is enormous. it's thousands of miles. >> because you know malaysian
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boeing 777 when it took off from kuala lumpur for beijing, it had enough fuel to fly for six hours. >> well, it had fuel to go to beijing. and then the normal margin of extra fuel which would typically be to go to an alternate airport and fly for 45 minutes after that. so it had fuel to go actually quite a lot further than beijing. >> right. so what's your analysis? why would the navy be sending ships west of malaysia? is it simply based on what this official, what the malaysian air force is saying that they had some radar indications that the plane was -- had crossed malaysia and was heading out in a westerly direction? >> well, my conclusion would be that the navy is -- thinks that's the most credible information they have. and perhaps they have access to information that not out in the public. >> so the chinese satellite photos, now that has been widely discounted as really any debris from this aircraft, right? >> yes. and i would add as tom noted i think that area's been pretty
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thoroughly searched and the pingers listened for and that sort of thing. >> and you agree with that? >> i agree completely. >> so basically the only solid evidence is maybe the radar that the singapore airport -- not singapore, malaysian air force had in its -- is reporting? >> right. we don't know behind the scenes what's actually the facts that the command post has. we know what they're saying publicly. again, they might have had private information. they may have already admonished that air force official who gave that information without authority to the media that caused this whole search to veer to the west by hundreds of miles. >> a serious lack of transparency here, that's the common thread i see. >> six days into this investigation and i'm not sure we're a lot further away than we were from day one. maybe people know more, but they're certainly not telling us. >> the problem with this especially, wolf, is if the plane was in tact and could still fly thousands of miles, it could have been flown to an area
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where since no one's ever suspecting, you know, they could fly that over the marianna's trench and be 35,000 feet of water and no one's ever going to find it. there's a possibility this aircraft might never be found if it was flown over such deep water and so far away that no one's looking for it now and nor would they be able to trip across. >> that's a very sober thought. not a good thought. thanks very much, tom. steven wallace, thanks to you as well. up next, a closer look at the possibility that terrorism potentially played a role in the disappearance of the malaysia airlines jet. we'll check in with peter king, congress member. when does your work end? does it end after you've expanded your business?
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six days after the malaysia flight 370 disappeared, the desperate search for answers goes on. one of the key questions, could the jetliner have been a target of a terror plot? "the wall street journal" says this today, i'm quoting, u.s. counterterrorism officials are pursuing the possibility that a pilot or someone else on board the plane may have diverted it toward an undisclosed location after intentionally turning off the jetliner's transponders to avoid radar detection according to one person tracking the probe. congressman peter king joining us now, key member of the house homeland security, also a member of the intelligence committee. congressman, i know you're getting briefed. what do you make of this quote that i just read from "the wall street journal"? >> wolf, first of all thank you for having me on. all i can say is that u.s. intelligence counterterrorism forces we're tracking every possibility. ever since this started on
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saturday, it's been intense, it's been 24/7. and i would say even more so now with these different leads, these contradictory leads, the total confusion almost that's coming from malaysia and some extension china. but certainly what you mentioned is -- has to be a possibility as would be pilot suicide, as would be another form of terrorist attack. i mean, all of these are now possible because of the fact that it's so unusual and there's been such contradictory evidence coming out. >> as far as you know do they have any leads as far as terrorism or human involvement in diverting this plane for whatever reason? >> wolf, my latest understanding is that there has been no nexus made. they have not found any direct connection or any connection at all to terrorism. certainly nothing direct. again, that's not to rule it out. and it's being investigated and
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tracked down and drilled down on as intensely as possible. >> so when the cia director john brennan says they're not ruling out terrorism, in his words, quote, not at all. i assume the cia and your committee has oversight over the cia and over u.s. intelligence agencies, they're chasing all sorts of potential leads right now, right? >> you're talking about the central intelligence agency, national counterterrorism center, all of them, the entire network of intelligence gathering agencies we have also working closely with our allies. we have allies around the world including in that part of the world obviously in asia. and we're working very closely with them trying to run down every possible lead. right now i heard some of your guests on before talking about the contradictory information we're getting through the malaysians or the reluctant information. and it's almost as if this investigation from their perspective hasn't even fully begun yet. >> well, i know you've been very
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critical of malaysian investigation. what's your biggest gripe with them? >> i would say first of all they were so late in giving out information. for instance, if the air force, if the malaysian air force thought back on saturday that the plane possibly detoured and turned around, why did they wait until the other day to tell us that? also with china, why did they wait so long to make those images available, whether or not they turn out to be valid? the fact is all information should be provided immediately and certainly with malaysia. and going right back to the beginning where they allowed people on the plane with stolen passports, never did any type of check at all with interpol. it's just been confusion. confusion. and the last thing you can afford at a time like this is confusion. of course the situation itself is confusing enough without adding to it. >> what about the sense of cooperation between malaysian authorities and u.s. authorities? are they at least sharing everything with the ntsb, the faa, the u.s. intelligence
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committee, the fbi, all of the u.s. agencies involved? >> well, i've been -- i was told all along that the cooperation was good. but then you find out that they waited several days before they told us the report of the malaysian air force that the plane possibly had detoured. so they were giving us information, but it turns out they were apparently not giving us all of it. again, these could be errors they're making because there is a spirit of cooperation, that i know because i've heard that people in the government that the spirit of cooperation is there, but just so far has not added up. >> one final question, congressman. as far as we know no credible organization has claimed credit, terror organization, or any other organization for that matter, for the disappearance of this flight. what if anything should we read into that? >> well, you know, usually organizations do take responsibility. but, again, when it came to lockerbie, no one ever took responsibility. and there have been other instances where they wait a week or two before responsibility is claimed. the danger in that would be that
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sometimes responsibility isn't claimed if a follow-up attack is planned. now, i'm not trying to say that's the case, but that has, you know, occurred in the past. right now with this situation, i don't think anything can be ruled in or anything can be ruled out. we have to go 24/7 on every possible avenue. >> do you remember off the top of your head how many days after 9/11 al qaeda, bin laden, they actually announced that they were responsible for those planes? >> no, it was actually quite a while. i'm not certain when they took credit to be honest with you. i think it was when we found the tapes in the caves that saw them talking about it. i could be wrong, but i don't recall al qaeda putting out a statement. i could be wrong, but it was not in the first several days. i know that. >> eventually bin laden did put out a video statement, but i got to check back and see how long it took before we got that. we'll check it out and report it back to our viewers. congressman, thanks very much for joining us. >> wolf, thank you. appreciate it. >> peter king of the house homeland security committee.
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malaysia officials are coming under harsh international criticism for the way they're handling the investigation into the missing boeing 777 and the 239 people on board that plane. brian todd is here taking a closer look at the issue. it seems like these malaysian authorities they're well-intentioned but they seem to be overwhelmed. >> they seem to be overwhelmed,
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wolf. this is a very unusual situation. any aviation expert will tell you that this is unusual and they've seen nothing like it. neither has anyone else. you have to say that at the outset, but there's been a pattern of confusing information, conflicting information. and the malaysians as you say are taking a lot ot heat for it. accused of not being straight with the media. a couple of examples, earlier this week we're told by malaysian source that the plane not only turned around but veered hundreds of miles off course. later that day an official from the malaysian prime minister's office pulls back on that and says that's not the case. now we're told that there was some kind of a blip detected, a radar blip, heading west over the strait of malacca. they're trying to figure out what that was. conflicting confusing information there. also, malaysian officials told cnn, i believe it was yesterday, that police searched the home of the pilot. now they're saying that those reports are not correct. they have held information sometimes for a couple of days before releasing it. now, a malaysian officials are saying we're doing the best we
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can. this is a very complex situation. they say there are times they've not been able to reveal information because it required analysis and confirmation first. and that they said they have nothing to hide. this is an incredibly complex confusing situation. they're maybe not handling the flow of information quite as well as some others might. but again, this is what they're up against and they are kind of, i guess, flailing around here to try to figure out the best way to deal with the information and how to -- >> and it's a whole new world. >> that's right. it is a whole new world. >> most of those officials have been involved in anything along these lines of this kind of enormous investigation. >> absolutely. >> do you get a sense there's good cooperation internationally between various states whether the u.s., british, chinese, everybody working off the same page? >> the malaysians today said there was very good cooperation and they've been kind of forthright with every other cooperating country all along. but even yesterday here again conflicting information, even
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yesterday the vietnamese authorities say we're going to pull back our search until we get better information from the malaysians on where to look. they're not being forthcoming. we've only had one meeting with the malaysian military. the meeting was insufficient they said yesterday. now malaysians are saying not the case, we're cooperating fully with everybody, we're sharing every bit of information we have. this is probably an evolving process for them. how to share information with so many countries that are converging on your air space, on your international waters to try to help you in the search. not easy to do this. it's not easy to harness all this stuff and be coherent. >> let me get back to the two pilots. >> yeah. >> the pilots in the malaysia flight. yesterday kuala lumpur police told cnn flatly that they have gone to the homes to start taking a look to see -- which would be a normal procedure. today, malaysian government authorities deny that. what's up with that? >> you know, what we're getting is maybe an indication that there is some nuance to that. they may have asked questions of the crew's family members, relatives, friends, maybe not
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necessarily gone to homes and searched. there could have been some kind of, you know, interrogation or pressing of the investigation with the family members but not a full fledged search of the home. >> they should be doing -- a e i mean, that would make sense given the fact there is a history unfortunately of pilots -- pilot suicide if you will or pilots wanting to commandeer a plane. >> there is. >> we saw it the other day with an ethiopia plane. a pilot hijacked the plane himself. >> there is. absolutely probably would be procedural. i think the problem is they put something out and have to pull it back a little bit, that's led to a lot of confusion and anger on the part of the families awaiting word. >> thanks, brian todd, very much. the contradictions continue. up next, we're going to sort through the latest information with a former ntsb investigator, plus, the challenges facing search crews. they're monumental even in this high-tech age. we're going to explain why.
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it was. there's now seems to be some questions about the veracity of those reports. can you provide any clarity about what u.s. investigators have been able to determine about that? >> i can tell you that the investigation is ongoing and it is being led by the malaysian government. u.s. air safety officials are in kuala lumpur working closely with the malaysian government on the investigation. there are a number of possible scenarios that are being investigated as to what happened to the flight. and we are not in a position at this time to make conclusions about what happened, unfortunately. but we're actively participating in the search. and, again, we're -- we in an investigation led by the malaysian government, an information that involves many nations with many assets, are following leads where we find them. and it's my understanding that based on some new information that's not necessarily conclusive, but new information an additional search area may be open in the indian ocean.
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>> that's a pretty significant development if the u.s. navy's seventh fleet is now moving that search operation toward the indian ocean. let's discuss what we just heard. a former ntsb joining us now. what do you make of what we just heard from jay carney, by the way? >> well, i understand that the ntsb investigators they're working with the malaysian investigators. and based on looking at radar data they have, they believe the search area should be expanded. i haven't heard where exactly, but they show expansion -- >> yesterday one of the commanders of the u.s. navy seventh fleet said they were moving that search area west of malaysian. and now we're hearing from the white house they're moving it all the way into the indian ocean. so if you lose the transponder at one point, but then the plane is continuing to fly reverse course, fly over malaysia and head towards the indian ocean, what does that say to you? >> well, it could be anything.
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clearly there could be some type of incapacitation of pilots, they reprogrammed to get back and kept ongoing. >> so one theory the pilots actually turned off the transponders. >> no, let's say there's some type of massive event happened on the airplane and they want to get back to kuala lumpur, they reprogram and change and the pilot becomes completely incapacitated and kept ongoing. >> we've seen a case before where because they didn't turn on the oxygen system the whole crew was incapacitated, the airplane flew to its destination, circled to the airport, ran out of fuel and crashed. >> that's one scenario. >> you've studied this closely over the past six days, right? >> oh, i've looked at it all. >> give me your sense. what is your hunch right now? >> there's just not enough data. >> and did you -- are you
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critical of the malaysian authorities? are you critical -- who are you critical of if anyone? >> having been in this position before, i'm not -- >> been an investigator yourself. >> i've been an investigator myself. i'm not critical of anyone because you have to work with the data you have. so they're grabbing data as quickly as they can from many sources. not all the data is compatible with each other. it takes time. so i'm glad that the ntsb guys are there, i know they're super and they'll give the full cooperation to the investigation. >> here's what so many people have asked me over these past six days. this is one of the highest tech planes out there, a boeing 777. >> yes. >> it's got all sorts of high-tech equipment. >> right. >> but you can't find this plane? it simply vanishes? how is that possible in this day and age when we all have cell phones and anybody -- you have your cell phone, everybody can find out exactly where you are? >> well, the simple answer is the big ocean. so if you turn off the electronics, you don't have the transponder, you can't communicate, everything is happening, you can't do it. sad to say, but yeah.
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>> it sounds almost crazy that in this day and age you can't find a huge plane like that. >> it does sound crazy, but once again, it's a big ocean. i take a look once again air france 447 happened that many years ago in south atlantic. that was very difficult to find. but that airplane was sending back data to its operator giving its latitude and longitude. >> is that radar -- the radar detections coming from the malaysian air force is talking about, is that reliable? >> the malaysians have va dar systems, but once your turn off the transponder all you have is a dot with no altitude or any other information. and it's a sea of dots because it sees birds and everything else. it's terrible. >> bottom line not that reliable. but the u.s. navy moving ships west of malaysia and may be heading towards the indian ocean, which is a significant development. >> that does seem to be. >> thanks very much, tom, for joining us. >> thank you. up next, in this high-tech e
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the white house now saying the u.s. navy is expanding its search for the missing malaysia airlines jet plane and may, repeat may, be moving ships as far west as the indian ocean. you can see where the transponders lost communications with ground stations. and then if they're investigating they're moving these ships toward the indian ocean as jay carney, the white house press secretary just said, they may be moving them towards the indian ocean. that is a very, very significant development. officials certainly across the globe they're analyzing a lot of information including a lot of satellite feeds and dozens of ships and planes are scouring this greatly expanded search
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area right now both day and night. but so far nothing has been found. it's a question a lot of people are asking, why? joining us now is jim matthews, executive editor of "aviation week" intelligence network. what's the answer, jim? >> wolf, if what you said is true then the haystack just got a lot bigger. so that is really the big problem that they have right now. if you look at the probability of containment, every time you make that area larger, you might increase the probability that you have found the area where that thing went down but you have decreased the probability of detection because you have a larger area to search. and even if you have 40 aircraft, the most they're going to be able to search is perhaps a mile, mile and a half sweep width. so times 40 aircraft, that's 40 miles at a time. >> so the transponder goes down for whatever reason, either mechanical failure or somebody turns that transponder off, there's two of them actually. >> right. >> and then after that except
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for some radar blips, if you will, there's nothing that can be sent from a boeing 777 that would indicate mayday, mayday or anything else? >> not really. >> that sounds like -- that sounds crazy to me. >> well, i mean, the systems are coming online. but we're not quite there yet. if off 80sb for example that sends a tremendous wealth of information, but right now you have to have a ground station to receive it. and so that didn't -- that wasn't true in this case. >> because the so-called black box, the flight data recorder, voice recorder, they have -- they can ping for, what, 30 days? even if they're really deep below sea level? >> they can if they've survived and they're in a place where the signal will be reached. they could be blocked -- >> so even if you've lost total electrical power for the plane, those black boxes should still work? >> they should, yes. >> what's your hunch right now that happened? >> i don't have a hunch. all we know is there's a plane
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missing and the search area has expanded to a point where this is going to be a very, very long search. >> who should take the lead in this search? i know it's a malaysian government, it's its plane, but should the u.s. really be in charge? >> i don't think so. i mean, if everyone were cooperating, it really wouldn't matter who was in charge. if you bring enough search profrgsales together, they don't care what shirts they wear or flags they're flying, they want to find the aircraft. >> now the u.s. navy may be moving all the way west toward the indian ocean to keep searching for this missing plane. jim mathews, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> we'll take a quick break. more of the mystery surrounding this plaeb right after this. so our business can be on at&t's network for $175 a month?
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i love it too. here's our new house... daddy! you're not just looking for a house. you're looking for a place for your life to happen. repeat breaking news this hour, the white house now confirming that the u.s. navy's seventh fleet -- ships from the seventh fleet in the pacific, they may now be heading towards the indian ocean as this expanded search continues now to grow and grow and grow. let's go to malaysia's capital of kuala lumpur. our own simon mosa is standing by. what are officials saying to you about this expanded search and it may be actually heading all the way west from malaysia towards the indian ocean? >> yeah, wolf. what we understand is that the indian navy's also now joining that search operation, a massive search operation.
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more than a dozen countries involved, of course including the united states, australia, new zealand, all the neighboring countries of course around malaysia. but what is instead of narrowing down the search, they are expanding it each and every day as time goes on further and further. obviously there has been a long agonizing wait for the families and friends of those on board flight mh 370. they want to locate exactly where this plane is. as time goes on, they failed to. we started the search to the east of malaysia where we believe the plane was heading on the course as usual for beijing. then we learned that this radar might have picked up an air turn. did the flight head back over malaysia to the west? we flue out on a search and rescue mission c 130 plane with the minster for defense, the chief of defense also surveying
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the area over the straight west of malaysia. we were asking questions like why here? this is not the scheduled flight path for the plane. they said look, we have to investigate every possibility and then today we are hearing that it could be further out. the interesting thing is if they are extending the search to the indian ocean and the sea perhaps, perhaps these various reports and experts coming out saying did the flight continue for hours on end? perhaps that may be true. they claim to refute the claim that came out in the "wall street journal." they said no, that's not true. this plane was not giving off any kind of data that allows us to believe that it did carry on for hours. aimlessly in the skies.
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and we have the search operation expanding and authorities saying no, the flight didn't carry on for hours on end. what the malaysian authorities are keen to say is that this is an unprecedented crisis. it is a major crisis for them. it is a multinational effort in trying to handle it. while i was on the flight the other day as well with the malaysian minster for defense and chief of defense, they said look, we are also getting help from intelligence, the chinese intelligence is helping us. so too is the fbi. we are at a loss so far. this is baffling. wolf? >> reporting for us. thanks very much. i want to clarify in an interview i did earlier with a key member of the house homeland security, when bin laden and al qaeda took credit for the 9/11
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we are following breaking news. the u.s. navy is expanding dramatically the search for the malaysia airliner missing now for six days. the white house secretary telling reporters moments ago that the u.s. navy has now moved towards the indian ocean as far west as the indian ocean to continue the search. it's an expansion. a former assistant is with me. it would seem to suggest that for whatever reason, if they are looking in the indian ocean, this plane was flying for hours after the tran responder stopped sending messages back to ground. >> a couple days ago they said
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that plane had turned and flown in a western direction. >> the exact opposite towards beijing and it made a u-turn and flew over and keeps ongoing. maybe if you hear what the white house is now saying, maybe towards the indian ocean. >> at the time that plane allegedly disappeared off the radar, we didn't know whether the radar and the plane kept ongoing. it could track further, but it didn't. the plane went lower in altitude. if it kept that direction, it would have overthrown indonesia into the indian ocean and the depth of the indian ocean is much greater than the straights or the gulf of thailand where they were looking before. it can be 5,000 feet deep. you want the navy with the search capability and the hydro phones to be listening for the pings of the black boxes.
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that may suggest that let others look for debris. we want equipment in that area in a wider search. >> yesterday we spoke to know one of the commanders of the seventh fleet and he said they are moving at least two destroyers west. he didn't say the indian ocean. we hear the words indian ocean that suggests what an expansion of this search for the missing airliner. >> that's true. >> did we get a hunch why this plane may have been flying with hundreds of miles and hours after it disappeared from any communications? >> we don't know for sure. you have to wonder in the past few hours that the faa and ntsb experts look at the information themselves and their interpretation may have led to why they redeploy the navy. >> that i review the radar information and i suspect as a result of that, they have told
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the u.s. navy and the seventh fleet, go ahead and expand and go all the way out to the indian ocean. we will be back later today. thanks very much for all your help. i will be back at 5:00 p.m. eastern. a special two-hour edition. in the meantime, newsroom with don lemon starts right now. >> good afternoon and thanks for joining us for this special edition of newsroom. we will spend the next two hours covering all angles surrounding the mystery of malaysia airlines 370. one of the biggest twin-engine jets simply vanished. during the white house briefing, press secretary jay carney said that based on new information, the search for malaysia airlines flight 370 may expand to the vast indian ocean. >> in an investigation led by the malaysian government, an investig
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