the u.s. navy and the seventh fleet, go ahead and expand and go all the way out to the indian ocean. we will be back later today. thanks very much for all your help. i will be back at 5:00 p.m. eastern. a special two-hour edition. in the meantime, newsroom with don lemon starts right now. >> good afternoon and thanks for joining us for this special edition of newsroom. we will spend the next two hours covering all angles surrounding the mystery of malaysia airlines 370. one of the biggest twin-engine jets simply vanished. during the white house briefing, press secretary jay carney said that based on new information, the search for malaysia airlines flight 370 may expand to the vast indian ocean. >> in an investigation led by the malaysian government, an investigation that involves many

nations with many assets, our following leads where we find them and it's my understanding based on new information that is not necessarily conclusive, an additional search area may be open in the indian ocean. we are consulting with the international partners about the appropriate assets to deploy. >> that is a new information here and all of this unfolding as vietnamese crews found nothing at the debris field. images showed objects were in the water and according to malaysia, the chinese say those images were released by mistake. how did that happen? my next guest is a 777 pilot with almost 30 years of experience. he is here with me. les, what do you make of this new expanded search for the indian ocean? >> it says that there is limited information from any data sources. no communication directly from the crew. it indicates to me there was

something catastrophic that occurred. the airplane might have broke apart. >> when you sat down, i wasn't really joking, but it may seem that way. where is this plane. where do you think this plane is? >> it's a tough one. what you are dealing with is a situation -- the airplane is highly sophisticated. boeing makes an incredible product. it communicates internally within itself. it also communicates to the airline and the dispatch and the maintenance facilities. something catastrophic had to occur in order for that communication to be cutoff. where it is, that's a tough question. >> i want to update the viewers. the new information we are getting from the white house press briefing from jay carney said based on this new

information, a new search area may be opened up for the missing flight 370. carney said many are partnering and following lead where is we find them. everyone is trying to get involved. les, you were inside the cockpit of a 777 so many times and you know the equipment on the missing plane. what type of signals or imagines do you think the engines should send back? >> there is hundreds of parameters that this is an 892 engineer from my understanding. it sends back data constantly of exhaust gas temperatures and all sorts of fuel flow information. that feed should be getting back to either the airline and or to boeing. and rolls royce also who designs the engine. it's hard to say -- at some point there has got to be information available.

>> we're haven't heard anything. there is nothing. you have 30 years of experience. have you heard of anything like this? >> absolutely nothing. absolutely nothing at all. >> for the transponder to be either -- >> well, that's another mystery. there is two transponders on the airplane. you get a message on the screen saying hey, one is failed. it would be nothing for the pilots to turn the knob and turn on the other. for two of them to fail, it's highly unusual. it indicates complete electronic failure. >> you heard the report that many people are knocking down and even the requests saying his sources are saying not true. the plane did not fly three or four hours. the engineers are showing that. what do you make of that information and is that possible for the plane to fly that many hours after taking off or after losing transmission? >> if it had a complete

electrical failure which is just -- it's almost unthinkable. to me it seems as though the crew was faced with a catastrophic problem and they attempted to turn back. i don't think we are looking in the right place. >> what do you mean? >> this thing may be over land. not over the ocean. when this crew diverted. i looked at the area on the charts and it seemed to me that there is only a radio contact, not radar contact where part of the route went through. >> okay. if this plane is somewhere over land, do you think we would see a smoldering or something? unless it ran out of fuel. >> i understand, but there some desolate areas out there. you would think. it may have found a desolate area. >> we sit here every day and we have been sitting here for six

days. what else are we going to say about this? new information keeps coming. some of it accurate and some not so accurate. you wonder can a plane just disappear. there have been a number of planes that disappear. not many. we never heard from them. >> absolutely not. airplanes don't just disappear. >> especially one this size. >> this is a 650,000 pound airplane. it is over 200 feet long. it just doesn't disappear unless it breaks apart. >> when they train you for this, do they train you and say listen, you had a catastrophic failure and the transponders have gone out. it never has come up during training. >> multiple issues rngs not so much. there checklists that we follow. the electronic checklists may be

available and you go to a standard card-type checklist. are we trained for it and is it likely to happen? no. this is highly unusual. >> have you flown in that airspace in that part of the world? >> i have gone to tokyo and not that far east. >> i wonder, just being in that part of the world, there so many different places that americans don't really know about. we sit here and try to analyze and say okay, this, this, and this. from what i understand, it's not as remote an area as we think they are. these are pretty populated areas for the most part. that part of southeast asia. these are populated areas. >> i agree, but if the airplane broke apart into tiny pieces, people may be unfamiliar with what they are seeing. maybe somewhere down the road, somebody will say hey, what's

this in my back yard. >> i will get to a former ntsb board member. being a former ntsb board member, i want to give you the information from the white house. jay carney said there is new information and new searches may be opening up in the indian ocean for the missing flight. many countries are partnering in the search and following leads. what do you make of the new information? >> it means that they have been going-over the radar and other data and they have indications that the airplane maybe did make the turn that the military said. they are expanding. >> he believes that they are looking in the wrong areas. he believes this plane could have landed or crashed on to land. broken apart.

>> the airplane could be anywhere in the range of that airplane. four hours of fuel on board and four hours from the last point they saw the airplane. it could be on land or water. little green men didn't come down from space and take it. >> do we know that for sure some. >> that's true. we don't even know that. >> we don't know that. this is a mystery among mysteries. in all my years, i have never seen anything like this. reporting for 20 years. les has been flying for 30 years and as someone who has flown this many times, this is unfathomab unfathomable. there is a redundancy built into the planes. have you seen anything like this? >> in all my years, no. i have never seen anything like this. and part of the reason why we haven't seen anything like this,

the massive amount of misinformation that has come out of malaysia in the beginning. so this investigation really only started yesterday. everything that happened before that was messed up. >> explain that again. what do you mean the investigation started yesterday? >> that's when they finally started giving data the radar and the international community that has been there in malaysia waiting to start an accident investigation. so it's just -- who has been working the radar traces? it sounds like from the press releases and the press conferences that the commercial people have their radar and reports and they were reporting what they have seen and the military was reporting what they had seen, but i never once heard anybody say they were coordinating them.

coordinating the radar stations requires a lot of care. you have to first timeline them and get the time to lineup. you have to look the the same point at the same time. that's the most tedious part of running this with multiple radars. you have to get them coordinated and start comparing the data and what they have seen. i'm sure that's what the folks do there. i'm sure that's what they have been doing for 24 hours or more. >> finish your thought. an accurate fixture of what they think they know. then we can start and then we can draw conclusions. >> you took the next question. if this happened, in europe or

in the united states there would be a more coordinated effort. is this part of the world that the search is not as coordinate said as you feel it should be? >> in many places of the world that they participated in, this rivals the lowest common denominator. let's start with a clean sheet of paper. that's what they did yesterday. it proceeds from there. >> and smiling. >> i very much agree. >> a messed up appearance.

there was a supplement to what ja uh is saying. early in the interview, this plane transmits a lot of data. the ire airplane transmits data. at the minimum it transmits altitude and heading. any of these trends would go back to malaysia airlines. >> i have been told malaysia did not buy that package. it was too expensive. i think they started, but they stopped paying for it. >> they didn't buy the package for the airplane or the entire air fleet? >> they bought it for the engines because that package saves them a lot of money. >> they didn't think they would need to. they may not have bought that

and two they may not have started. there is redunceancy built into the plane? >> construrrect. >> it can be downloaded, but it doesn't have to be transmitted live. >> here's the question to both of you. i will start with you, john. do you feel like malaysian officials are not giving us all the information they can? are they holding what they should be? are they holding information back? >> just take a step back and look at what was on tv. it does appear that at least in the beginning there was a disconnect between the government and the airline management and the promise that they were coming from the military. there was nobody in charge. that's what started the confusion and then the frenzy. we wanted basic information. most of the people realized this

thing was going in the wrong direction and trying to get as much information as they can. maybe even help get it back on track. that was until yesterday. >> john, stand by. the board member. a very, very accomplished pilot. 30 years of experience and flying 777s. giving us new information. both of them believing that this investigation started yesterday. now there is a coordination. it had been coordinated before. new information coming from the white house at the press briefing saying the search for this missing airliner may extend to the indian ocean now. a live report from kuala lumpur next. new information on missing flight 370. peoi go to angie's listt for all kinds of reasons. to gauge whether or not the projects will be done in a timely fashion and within budget.

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necessarily conclusive, but an additional search area may be open in the indian ocean. we are consulting about the appropriate assets to deploy. >> an additional search area may be opened in the indian ocean. they are partnering where the search may lead. i top the get live to kuala lumpur. she can tell us about the resources that the indian navy is sending to the indian ocean. what's going on? rep an extraordinary turn of events as the search continues to expand rather than narrow down. as far as we understand, the indian navy dispatched two of the ships off the islands. this also tallies up with what the united states is saying it's doing now. they are also deploying one aircraft from the indian navy. another aircraft, a hercules

transport carrier and various other aircraft. both to the aircraft and naval ship fleets we have seen from the multinational search operation. what is extraordinary is they have been discussing this expansion of the area being searched. it was already 27,000 square nautical miles. a huge expansive sea alone not including the land being searched for the missing plane. mh 370. this is going further west. what is extraordinary is that we simply don't know where this plane could have ended up. did it end up on the east of malaysia or out to the south china sea which is the course it should have taken had it gone all the way to beijing from kuala lumpur or did it make the turn and carry back over the

malaysian peninsula to the west. we were filming over the straits, the strip of see and ocean that coming up the west coast of malaysia. we were filming that search and rescue operation there. we saw the ships out searching and saw the chief and minister of defense for malaysia. are you guys lot of as to where this plane is in why are you unable to pinpoint it. he said we are completely overwhelm overwhelmed, but trying our best. >> i appreciate you joining us. i want to turn to my expert who is sitting next to me. les, when you hear that malaysian officials are saying they are overwhelmed, they have no idea. you heard what the gentlemen said a little bit earlier. he said you know what, this investigation started yesterday. it has been so uncoordinated. what do you make of this when you hear from her and you hear from the other gentlemen.

>> it sounds to me that a lot of assumptions were made. the we heard early in the investigation about the military. they went off like a shotgun in the search and rescue process. i think with the ntsb helping now, maybe more specific assumptions can be made so that we can attempt to figure out what might have happened at a certain point and where from that point the aircraft may have impacted. may have diverted. so these possible scenarios i don't think had been researched precisely. >> let's talk about conspiracy

theories. this plane was taken down and could be on a remote desert island or it was hijacked or was terrorism. for a plane that big? >> we will deal without the aliens. we will discount that. this is a 650,000 pound airplane. it's over 200 feet long. where are you going to hide this thing and how are you going to get conspirators to get on board and bring it to some remote place. somebody is going to know about it. >> you don't bring an airplane that big and land it -- >> without a lot of noise and without drawing attention. where in that area of the world are you going to be able to find an appropriate landing strip to put it down. granted, putting that airplane down can probably be done in about 6,000 feet of runway if you never take off again and it may be more landing strips, but

that is so far-fetched. so far-fetched. there would have been so many things involved for that to have occurred. >> this is the twilight zone. this is very bizarre. 239 people still unaccounted for and a huge jumbo jet. take it even from the standpoint of losing navigation. this airplane has got two gps on it. i'm sure you are familiar with it. it has its own on board computers. two of those. if it came down to a complete electrical failure, it still has what we call whiskey compass. it's a compass suspended in fluid. the chance of a crew getting lot of is pretty slim. >> you said this has the airline community shaking their head. >> pred pretty much. >> we will continue to

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the united states. with that i will sign this memo and i want to thank everybody for being here and especially the folks standing behind me. there you go. >> there you see president obama live at the white house pushing for changes in the rules on overtime pay. you saw him signing the memorandum here. this is what he calls his year of action where he is using his power of the pen at the white

house. now our correspondent jim acosta. part of the year of action and power of the pen. >> that's right. he has been talking about this as long as his economic agenda is stymied on capitol hill. he would like to see a minimum wage increase and other ideas for getting the economy going. he will be using his pen and phone and others to see the executive action to revamp overtime rules. they think about 10 million americans could be affected by this. this president believes they will not get a lot done from a legislative standpoint to show the american people you can get things done. he will do more of these events like the ones you saw today. >> when you were in the white house briefing, when the press secretary talked about the new information, the search in the indian ocean and the possible

search of the indian ocean, what was his response and talk to us about being in the briefing room. >> interesting that he talked about that, don. he said and i just want to quote from what he said, it's my understanding based on new information that is not necessarily conclusive, but new information in additional search area may be opened up in the indian ocean. i went back to jay later in the briefing and said what do you mean by it may be opened up? he didn't have more information than that. he did say this action is being taken with new information. the white house has been cautious about this all week and saying they don't have enough information to say whether or not this was terrorism and what might have led to this plane disappearing. they also made it clear that the malaysians are contributing help from the u.s. and fbi teams heading over and so o. it's as

much a mystery to the white house as everyone else. the u.s. government does apparently have new information and that might be why we are seeing this area potentially opened up. >> at the white house, thank you very much. we are going to follow-up on what james carney said in the white house press briefing. billy vincent who is a former security director will join us next and give us his take on the new information. you may be surprised at what he has to say.

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. >> back now with breaking news in the mystery surrounding flight 370. we got new information saying a new search area may be opened up in the indian ocean and they are partnering with other countries to try to figure out where this investigation should go next. i want to bring in billy vincent, a security director. as i understand from my producers, you believe that many people who are involved in this search have it all wrong? >> well, no. there probabilities and possibilities. one, the u.s. government may know more than that has been revealed in the "wall street journal" and they may know the direction of the flight. what i'm saying is i find it improbable that the airplane crashed. i find it improbable that the

airplane flew for upwards of four hours and then crashed into the ocean. that just doesn't make sense that brings us around to the point that the possibility and perhaps the probability is that the airplane was hijacked, but you have to ask yourself to what purpose? was there something valuable in the cargo hold of the airplane? i don't recall seeing anything published on what was in the cargo hold. secondly, one has to then consider if it were commend eared and the hijackers have a problem of where to land and where to hide a 777 or control the passengers and the environment. wherever they land. it's hard to find a specific area going west in the indian

ocean where that's probable. >> where should they be looking? >> again, if they don't know the direction with certainty they look into the southern philippines where you have the control of the environment. once you took the airplane and you can get the airplane and the people provided you can control the environment because once it sets down and if you do control the environment, it's very difficult to attack it and rescue the people. you can demand and you rent them. >> billy vincent, security director, stand by. we will have much more on the breaking news ahead. the white house said the search area for the missing airliner could extend to the indian ocean

and up next, the evolution of all the theories into the plane's disappearance.

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. we are back with continuing coverage of the mystery of flight 370. a look at the desperate search efforts. what do you have for us, tom? >> desperate puts the pin on the board. take a look at the map of all these competing theories of what happened here. this is the map you would have if you were baseing it on what the "wall street journal" said. if you believe what they said. everywhere around me. all of this from india to australia and beyond. this is what the search area would be. this is much bigger than the united states. this is roughly around a million square miles. i will tell you, don, this is

unsearchable. it is too big to cover that much ground. that's why investigators have to keep coming back to the basic question. let's narrow the map down and talk about where the plane took off. where it traveled. where it left land and went to water and where it disappeared. you and i both know that since this thing started, this is about all we really know. yet look what is happening. all these reports have trickled in and i think i saw something or maybe i heard something or maybe i saw something in the water or maybe there was a radar blip somewhere. the search areas which were right over here have expanded and they spread out across land and into other parts of water. we are talking about the indian ocean. that is a vast area out there. every time they do that it takes the resources and the 40 something ships and the airplanes and the dozen countries involved. the satellites flying overhead and it spreads them out thinner,

saying let's look somewhere else. that's one of the real problems here. these resources are getting spread wider and wider and wider by the day and not tighter and tighter as you would expect. >> as i say, searching needles in the haystack. appreciate that. a lot more on the breaking news ahead including new developments with russian troops taking part in the military exercises near the ukraine border.

there various multiple rocket launches and how it motorizes the artillery. drilling day and night and talking about conducting as many as 1,000 live fire missions. this is taking place in russia's southern military district. this is all in the ballpark of ukraine. it follows what had been massive military exercises by russia, involving 150,000 soldiers and a lot of hardware as well up against the ukrainian border. that in itself was taken as a response to the change of politics and government. the latest exercises are taking place just as the region of

crimea is getting ready to vote on whether or not it joins. that is a move that is significantly criticized by the international community, but russia insists they have the right to do this as they come under great international pressure for their actions in the crimian region. >> a show of force to what end here? why? >> well, as i said, the international community is talking about sanctions against russia. they believe that russia has occupied the region and officially russia denies there russian soldiers in crimea just as that region is getting ready to hold this referendum. the president insisted he has the right to move his military into the east of ukraine if he believes that ethnic russians are still under threat there from what he said. other parts of ukraine. we know that the united states doesn't buy that excuse that russia has been giving for this

build up. it is clearly another show of force. the timing deeply suspicious as crimea is getting ready for the referendum as the world and the west in particular is saying this referendum is illegal under international law. >> thank you very much. much more on the breaking news now. coming up.

. >> it is a mystery confounding the world. there is a lot of new information. we learned something incredible that the white house believes on day seven that the search is not narrowing. instead it is likely going to get bigger. >> it is my understanding based on new information that is not

necessarily conclusive, but an additional search area may be open in the indian ocean and we are consulting with international papers about the appropriate assets to deploy. >> i'm going to bring in anthony brick house, a professor at the aeronautical university. you spent a lot of time looking at aircraft accidents. have you seen anything like this? >> no, this is definitely a different type of situation than what we are used to dealing with in aviation safety. >> one of your specialties is survivability. from what you know about the specks of the plane, the terrain in the area, what event could these passengers have survived? could they have survived the event. is it a possibility they are still alive? >> when it comes to survivability, we look into the g forces that the occupants may receive in an impact and into what is called occupiable living space and how well the aircraft

held together. until we find where the aircraft may be, it will be impossible to speak to survivability. >> let's talk about those flights. there have been several other ghost flights in aviation history that bleeped off the radar completely if you were heading up the investigation. where would you go from here? >> i was telling the students yesterday if i was running the investigation you have to focus on facts and we don't go on gut feelings or hands on the back of our neck. we dole in facts. it took an amount of time and we lot of contact with the plane. you want to start at that point and go in 360 degrees in a radius, so to speak and emanate out from that point based on the fuel the aircraft had on board. how far it could have flown. basically that will be a very, very large area and you have to

start the search somewhere. you start on the edges and work your way in. hopefully in doing that, you would find a type of wreckage or the aircraft. >> there is such a large search area. 12,000 square miles and virtually impossible to hone in on one particular area. can you use that using the theory. i believe it's possible. >> it would require a tremendous amount of assets and you have to have something to go on. instead of searching based on reports that might come in. you have to have a systematic approach to doing this. >> thank you. good afternoon. i have been wanting to get mary on. she is a director for the department of transportation. i want you to address this. according to the white house, the white house press secretary said a new search area may be opened up for the missing flight. he said that many countries are

partnering in the search and following leads where we find them. mary. >> i think what they are doing is taking two pieces of information that may not be accurate, but it's all they got. if you couple the sighting or one radar tracing that somebody saw on an island to the west of malaysia. they said the plane turned around and headed past malaise why near a small island. they have a heading. if you put that in connection with the engine information, true or not, whether it exists or not, the imagines may have run for four hours, you have two key pieces. a heading and a distance. with that i think that the u.s. government undoubtedly feels an obligation to at least go look. >> mary, you want to weigh in on this breaking news now. i want to get to barbara star. if new information about data

sent from the plane past the time we thought? >> you know, don, this takes a turn every few hours and a senior official is telling me that the malaysians do believe and have communicated this with u.s. authorities that they do have several pings of data from the airliner engine. it is set up to transmit about the engine as it flies. they believe they have several pings, if you will of engine data transpit mitted and picked up by satellite and now is being analyzed. the preliminary analysis they say is that this data was picked up showing a track that the plane may indeed have flown to five hours across the indian ocean. u.s. authorities working with the malaysians to analyze all of this and the flow of data from the engines that they believe

they have during that time they think the plane flew is a primary indicator of why the u.s. is agreeing to expand the search area. within the coming hours, a u.s. navy ship that was searching more along the flight path is going to be moved. it will enter the indian ocean. we are told it will join the search. now, this senior u.s. official also telling cnn none of this is 100%. it's a confusing picture. there is not complete information. there is some concern on the part of authorities with the malaysians may not be sharing everything they v. no one can say why that is, but this official caution is where it stands today. as we stand here and talk, they have preliminary data they believe is from the engines of this plane as it flew and now they are going to look much more

closely at the indian ocean as a possible area. here's the last piece of confusing information for the moment. they have no data, no ping, no beacon that went off that showed the airliner made impact anywhere either impact on land or impact into the ocean. it all adds to the mystery. >> barbara star, thank you very much. stand by. i want to update the viewers with new information from pthere may have been data transmitted from the airplane after the time that we had thought. barbara star is here and the chief national security is here and aviation expert as well. i'm standing boy on the phone. mary will get information from all of them and feedback as well. live at kuala lumpur. what do you think of this information? >> this in conjunction with the officials as well, it is a

combination of information that has searchers changing their focus somewhat to the west of the peninsula. not just the data from the airplane engines, but also the radar data that the air force put out and we have been reporting in the last 24 to 48 hours. in addition that, a sense of the full range of this plane and that it had about seven hours of newel it and if it took the direction indicated, this is as far as it might be able to go. that is giving them the scope of their search. it's my understanding that it's a combination of data. the data they get from the engines and the radar data as well as their understanding of the range of the plane based on the fuel in the tanks when it lot of contact. it is also my understanding that there has been frustration from investigators as this proceeded with how this raw data has been shared. delays from the malaysian side in terms of sharing with the

international groups from the u.s. and they are getting it after the malaysians made their own conclusions rather than raw data where they can help interpret the data to the best conclusion. there is a lot involved in that hesitation. a lot of national pride here. a malaysian flagship airline. the malaysian responsibility since this took off from malaysian water when is it disappeared. more thing if i can add, in light of this new information, this has not changed. u.s. intelligence view whether terror was involved. we have not seen terrorism, but have not ruled it out. that has been the case for a number of days. so far the new information has not changed the position. >> stand by. i'm sure we will have more questions as well as barbara star. i want to get to richard quest.

when you had been doing your information, what do you make of it. >> it's the exact opposite of both what the malaysian minster of transportation said at the news conference this morning. they said they had not received any data. and also a source said to me that they had not received any data from the aircraft over the last few hours of its flight. no data existed. if you look at the size and scale of what we are talking about, you are talking about a vastly expanded area of search. previously you are were talking about the eastern side and talking about the south china seas and the gulf of thailand.

now you are on the western side and out to the indian ocean. this is a very real discrepancy from what we heard overnight from the authorities and no data. what we heard from rolls royce, no data. now strong reporting from barbara star that the u.s. is sending the fleet into the indian ocean to search. >> do we still have mary on the line? is mary on the line? you heard barbara dar reporting from the department of transor theation. >> i think basically that there is some information, we have to respond. no way we have at least radar heading after the plane turned or someone reported it and we have people reporting that the

engines were turning. no way we cannot follow-up on the lead. it would be inhumane and it might be just the lead we need, but we have to do this given there is any information whatsoever. there is not much. i think we have to do it. >> barbara star is back with us. you have more information for us now? >> i want to agree with everyone here at the moment. that's to say this. what the u.s. officials are telling us is this is their information at the moment. this is the working theory at the moment based on some intelligence and technical data that they are getting through the malaysians. they are going to have a look. they are going to make every effort. they have no reason to doubt at the moment what the malaysians are telling them and there is some sort of data information received by satellite that corresponds to this type of aircraft and this type of engine

flying in that specific region at that time. that's the base line that they are working off of. we all acknowledge this is a confusing picture. we have been through twists and turns. just last night we were talking about chinese imagery and showing debris in the water. that proved not to be true. there a lot of twists and turns. the official i spoke to even as he laid it out said be careful. none of this is 100%. don? >> jim? >> and echoing barbara's point, this follows a pattern that we have seen. data presented as possibly intickative of a cause and denied by one. and it's dismissed. seen it with the radar. that's out there. you saw it with the satellite and today denials from officials

from the reports of engine data. a note of caution, you are proceeding because there have been so many questions. it's my understanding they had knowledge of this engine data for at least 24 hours or so. it's something they have been looking into. they look into it before they start to move assets around out to the indian ocean. >> i want to point out. let's remind ourselves that we are not talking about why. we are talking about where. let's not have discussions about what might have happened on board the plane. what might have -- was it terrorism or explosion. we are right back at the beginning. where is the plane? this doesn't get more basic than the position of where we are at

the beginning. is it to the east or the west? the days after this incident, i can't remember a situation like this where there was simply so little information on the whereabouts of the incident. it's a case of where, not why. >> mary, as you look at the information and the u.s. department of transor theation and investigating crashes and investigating air mishaps, where does this put us in the investigation. are you hopeful with the new information? >> at least it's some hope. this information suggests that they will be following the idea that the plane suffered, but not so much that it would fall from the sky, but suffered something that set it on another direction. on one front, this is not a lot of information, but we are moving this this direction. we don't have a lot of other things to go on.

if the scenario was that the plane was severely damage and able to keep flying, this is where you want to look and where you have to look to satisfy yourself as a country that you have done everything you could. >> standing by, we are in washington. richard quest is here and andrew stevens is here in kuala lumpur and mary schiavo on the line with this new information we are getting from the pentagon correspondent, barbara star. >> i also wanted to add in, we know more about what's happening behind the scenes inside the u.s. national security community. the military. and the intelligence agencies have been told by officials very much in the know. for the last several days as we talked about, intelligence experts are scouring all available satellite data.

satellites and most of it likely commercial satellite data. we are talking about a part of the world where u.s. intelligence don't regularly go. there is no reason for them to be that far south. that's very far from north korea which is the target area for collecting intelligence. a lot of imagery. they are looking at it and analyzing it. from the military and an organization called the national geospatial agency that performs high tech classified analysis of satellite imagery to figure out what it shows from the national reconnaissance office. even though they are getting something from the malaysians, they are trying to corroborate what they may know by looking at satellite imagery. it's very tough and a bit slow

going. they are looking at thousands of miles of ocean as the maps show us. how it pick out an element that may be some piece of debris. a lot of that is been through computer analysis. it's tough. you have to have an idea of where you want to start looking. it may be sadly somewhere over the indian ocean. it may be the common sense answer to all of this. it went down along the expected flight path. nobody knows. >> this is the satellite image and wondering what was to be made of that. >> the contributors here on cnn, you are there with any response. what do you make of this? >> it is an extraordinary development. it shows the zigzagging way and

the factings or lack of facts that are emerging. it's 3:00 in the morning here. we reached out to the defense ministry who are leading the investigation and hoping to get a response back as soon as we can. if you look at the press conference today, it was very, very specific where the defense minster was knocking down a theory put forward by the "wall street journal." the plane actually flew on for several more hours. he described that report clearly as inaccurate. he went on to say he has got people from rolls royce down here and boeing down here. they have been down here for several days. that story in the journal about the plane flying down and getting the engines was put back to what richard quest was saying. they were described as inaccurate. they were at a press conference a few hours ago.

the focus was and continuing to be on the eastern side of malaysia. the only piece of evidence that fits into an indian ocean scenario is this unidentified aircraft. this so-called plot on a primary radar that shows an aircraft turning back from near where the last reported known correspondence was over the west coast. heading out that blip was last seen about 200 miles northwest of the island on the west coast heading out towards the indian ocean. but they say the malaysians have been saying we know about this. it's our duty to investigate and the focus of this investigation is still on the other side in the south china sea. whether this changes it will be interesting to see. so far they have been denying

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. >> back now with breaking news from washington. there were pings received after the flight had vanished. there was the plane that may have flown four to hours into the indian ocean and we are getting information from the white house. they said that the search area for this is expanding. i want to go to an aviation safety expert at ohio state university. you investigated flight 5191, that crash. what do you make of the information? >> good afternoon. i think this is quite insightful and some of the most focused information that we had yet out of this mystery. this is going to be a valuable resource to get a range. if they know the period of time after the last radar site

location they had, if they receive the imagine monitoring. that's going to help me decide possibly the search area. >> i am asking everyone that comes on, the guest that i'm speaking about, all of the experts and the pilots are saying, this has us shaking our heads. they had no idea and they never heard of anything like this. do you agree with that? >> i certainly do. this is quite a mystery. until we are able to look at some wreckage or get our hands on the black boxes and the flight recorders, it will be close to impossible to tell what exactly happened. that's going to be the key. finding this aircraft and getting ahold of the material items.

>> thank you, sir. we a we ark appreciate it. new information coming in about where the flight was tracked. how long after it, we are getting new information from the folks in washington that there may have been information from the plane hours after we thought. also the search field has been expanded to include the indian ocean. this is a vast amount of area, water, and land that must be covered. we will be back after this break. on a single tank. huh... so you could drive from los angeles all the way philadelphia with just three stops for fuel. that's just a hop, skip, and a jump. try that in another midsize sedan. it's more of a hop... a skip... a jump... a leap... maybe a schlep... probably a hurdle... a little bit of a trek... avo: during the tdi clean diesel event, get a $1,000 fuel reward card and 0.9% apr for 60 months.

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. breaking news here on cnn. coming from the reporters in washington, barbara star and jim chute oi. there were pings after we thought we had last heard from the airplane. plus the plane may have flown four to five hours across the indian ocean and the white house

is telling us that the search field has been expanded. barbara star is in washington. jim is our national security correspondent and mary is a former inspector general for the department of transportation and will join us in a moment. first to barbara. >> don, a senior u.s. official is now telling us that the u.s. has been told by the malaysians there were pings, if you will, in electronic information sent from what they believe is the airliner's imagines to satellites overhead. this is a data transmission that usually happens to send information about the engineers. safety and data information about how the engines are operating. they believe they have several pings, if you will, from this system.

it flew over the west of malaysia. this now led the united states to say okay, we will expand the search area with you. a u.s. navy ship and they had been searching near malaysia and closer to an eastern position and will go out into the indian ocean and begin to conduct a search out there. big caution in all of this. it's a confusing information. they said be careful, none is 100% yet. they will look at the indian ocean and see what they find. the bottom line is no one knows where this plane is. don? >> our chief national security correspondent. you said proceed with caution as

well. >> i will echo that point for sure. this is a valuable piece of the puzzle combined with other pieces that is leading them to turn some of the attention to the indian ocean. you have the engine data and the radar from the malaysian air force that we have been reporting on that showed that path and turn and long flight to heading in a southwesterly direction out towards the indian ocean. they have knowledge of how much fuel was in the tanks of that plane when it took off and made that plane. that gives them a sense of how far it can fly. gives them a sense of the range on the map. the trouble is it can fly for a long period of time. that's an issue here. i know there has been frustration with the sharing of information, particularly the raw data from the malaysian side sharing with other countries involved with the serpent. others with the resources to analyze the data and make the best conclusions. they get that in better form that allows them to have

confidence. this is a worthwhile line of inquiry with the caveat that it's not 100%. final thing and we talked about this ever since this flight disappeared. is terrorism an issue here? i'm told even with the new information that the position of the u.s. intelligence community remains the same. there is no indication of terrorism yet and that is where they stand on that. this takes them in the different direction as to where they are going to search. one of the areas they will be searching now. >> stand by for both of you. i want to bring in the inspector general for the u.s. department of transportation, mary schiavo. i want to get her take on it. mary? >> i think this goes more not with the terrorism theory, but the theory that the plane was or the people on board were alive or not was limping along after an event. that's what this plane can do.

while everyone is very skeptical about the information since it is all they have, someone is putting stock in it and you have to. we don't have many leads in any investigation. aircraft or otherwise, you follow all of your leads and until hopefully you can get a logical conclusion. >> barbara star, the national transportation safety board helping out. what assets are the u.s. sending to this region? >> they will start by using this one destroyer to have a look. in these wide area searches, sometimes the closer you are to the water, the better, experts say. you will have a surface ship that has helicopters and surveillance aircraft that the u.s. and other nations have. the indians themselves are weighing in. they will try to send assets to all of this.

what about the satellites flying overside? how much use could those be? the commercial satellite imagery may hold clues and there u.s. government imagery experts locking at that right now. you will be locking at hundreds of square miles of ocean and looking for an anomaly. what doesn't look like a wave in the ocean. what tiny bit might look like a piece of debris possible leap from an airplane. the ocean has a lot of trash and junk in it. they will have to be careful and look at everything. but it may be the ships on the water and the airplanes flying close to the water that may have the best chance of spotting something. >> jim, given all of the information that we have gotten from the malaysians, some of it accurate and a lot of it not, how much confidence should we have in this information they are giving us now? >> remember the information we

are getting now is from u.s. officials and remember it was earlier today malaysia time when they had the head of the investigation speaking to reporters and denying this report saying it was inaccurate and that is proven false. you had the contradictory statements coming out and when we first heard of this radar data, cnn heard of a senior military source and later officials in the prime minister's office saying that's not true. a lot of mixed signals and it's not just frustrating us. it's frustrating the investigators and they want to contribute with the investigation. one point as a matter of background and the viewers may wonder why in got's name would the malaysians not want to share this information. this is a hotly contested plot of water. a lot of them are com paying over island chains in the south china sea including china and

malaysia and all the countries you can see on the map. to be wide open about the military cape anlts and the mai ability to identify planes and this kind of thing. that is revealing sensitive information and you can understand why perhaps they couldn't be forth coming and the frustration is that may have hampered. the possibility of a rescue as well. >> stand by both of you. all we do is go out to dinner. that's it? i mean, he picks up the tab every time, which is great... he's using you. he probably has a citi thankyou card and gets 2x the points at restaurants. huh the citi thankyou preferred card. now earn 2x the points on dining out, with no annual fee. go to citi.com/thankyoucards

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. andrew stevens has been tracking for us. you have been digesting the information we have been getting from the folks here in washington. any response from malaysia? >> no response here. it is just on 3:30 in the morning. we have reached out to the leading investigation and they say they will get back to us, but they seem to be unaware to the information coming to us from the u.s. it does just add another layer of confusion. so many of these leads have been prove and disprove and proved again. i will give you an example into context. 24 hours ago here in kuala lumpur, the lead on the "wall street journal" was the plane indeed flown on for several hours. they are in working order. that was knocked down by the defense minster in a press

conference a few hours later. i would like to refer to the news report suggesting they continued the flight after last contact. they were concerned and these reports are inaccurate. they go on to say they have been speaking and they spoke to rolls skprois boeing both on the ground here. they have been here several days and they were shown this story and denied that as well. they said those reports are inaccurate. that is being knocked down. a few hours later, the same information with you on the u.s. it's difficult to get a handle on. this is part of a patent. you will remember there was information that the plane may have turned around and gone cross the country into the straits on the west. that was reported and knocked

down by the government. it was stood up again by the government. it is so difficult to get an accurate read on this. so frustrating for everyone. i should add that the satellite images, a lot of people getting positive this could be the break everyone was looking for. they went nowhere. they shouldn't have been released and they department show any debris. all very, very confusing for a moment. they have the latest news. if it's true, the indian ocean is vast and that means this search could go from days to weeks to possible low months. >> i'm glad you said that. i want to tell the viewers why that is important. a short time ago, the press secretary jay carney said they were possibly expanding the search for the plane into the indian ocean. plus new information from the

correspondents in washington including barbara star saying that the flight may have flown on four to five hours over the ocean. there were pings picked up hours after the plane had vanished. long after the plane had vanished. that is our correspondent in malaysia. we will get back to him and barbara star as well as other analysis on the breaking news here on cnn. [announcer] if your dog can dream it, purina pro plan can help him achieve it. ♪ driving rock/metal music stops ♪music resumes music stops ♪music resumes [announcer] purina pro plan's bioavailable formulas deliver optimal nutrient absorption. [whistle] purina pro plan. nutrition that performs. hey, buddy? oh, hey, flo. you want to see something cool? snapshot, from progressive. my insurance company told me not to talk to people like you.

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. new information, flight 370 was transmitting information after it vanished and also that it may have flown four to five hours longer over the indian ocean and also from the white

house. the search area has expanded to the indian ocean. i want to bring in now our chief national correspondent jim sciutto in washington. this is part of his reporting as well as our barbara starr. jim, i want to play something that jay carney said earlier. let's listen and we'll talk about it. >> there are a number of possible scenarios that are being investigated as to what happened to the flight, and we are not in a position at this time to make conclusions about what happened, unfortunately, but we're actively participating in a search and, again, we're -- we, in an investigation led by the malaysian government, an investigation that involves many nations with many assets, are following leads where we find them and it's my understanding, that based on new information, it's not necessarily conclusive, but information that it may be in the indian ocean and we're consulting with our partners

about the appropriate assets to deploy. >> jim sciutto, what do you make of that? >> well, i think the best way to look at this, this is an investigation like any other. there are clues and some of those clues are going to pan out and some of them are not. yesterday we had the satellite images which looked very interesting but that clue did not pan out. here you have more than one clue in the indian ocean generating data for as long as four to five hours after it lost transponderer contact. that combined with other clues, including this radar track that we've been exploring and talking about for several days now, that the malaysian airport tracked a plane, not necessarily this one but could very well have been it down in that same direction. one more clue, how much fuel was in those tanks when the plane took that left turn that you're seeing on this animation right

here and that gives a sense of range. when they combine those clues, it gives them a reason to extend their search over to the west there and they are looking into it more closely now. >> when you look -- you said it gives them an idea of a direction, but when you say the indian ocean, which is a vast ocean with currents turning to and fro and here and there, it gives them an idea but it also opens up the possibilities, much bigger search area, jim. >> no question. bigger. that plane could have taken a turn during that path and it expands that area. the water is also deeper. the water that we were looking at the indian ocean and with the air france flight, you remember

how long it took to find the fuselage, the flight that crashed in the middle of the atlantic, it took two years to find the fuselage of that plane. they have data to indicate where it went down and yet they were still looking on the bottom of the ocean for two years. so imagine if you're looking on the bottom of a deep ocean for, you know, without a real indication as to where it went down yet. that's where we stand now. that really makes it possible it's a long time before this is found. >> well, jim sciutto, don't go anywhere. we'll need you here next. we're going to talk about terrorism. could terrorism have played a role in malaysian flight 370? we're going to take a closer look at that possibility next. ...you could be a victim of fraud. most people don't even know it. fraud could mean lower credit scores, higher mortgage rates... ...and not getting the home you really want.

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we're back now with breaking news. more questions than answers about that missing malaysian plane. the white house says the search for the malaysian airline flight 370 may expand to the indian ocean. every passing second issing agonizing. is a terrorist act more or less likely, given the new information that we've gotten about tracking information and after the plane had vanished? >> i think it's more likely. now we know that it's stable and it's been flying for some time. the transponders were turned off

either intentionally. it gives more of a red flag to say, hey, we need to probe further to see that terrorism is not in fact the issue. >> you were a former air marshal? >> i was former secret service. when we flew, we flew armed. we coordinated with the air marshals who fly on our aircraft here in the u.s. >> but in that part of the world, there are no air marshals on the airplanes? >> not u.s. air marshals but a lot of countries put their own people, whether law enforcement or people, undercover or in an overcapacity if you have certain volatile airlines. >> did they do it in this particular area? >> this is something very different than what they are used to dealing with. >> lots of people have criticized the malaysian

officials for the way they have handled the investigation. are you one of those critics? >> i'm not critical of it. they are overwhelmed. they don't know what they are doing. they've never handled anything like this before. they are trying to locate the plane and they are trying to coordinate all of these countries coming in and trying to assist you and you've got all of these chiefs saying do it this way, do it that way. it's uncoordinated and it's showing the information. one minute it's this story and the next it's this. >> who do you think was the last person to fly this plane? was it auto pilot? pilot? what do you think? >> it's difficult. i don't think it's auto pilot. i do feel that there's something nefarious going on. again, it's more of that criminal investigator sense feeling. >> hijacking? pilot suicide? i hate to ask those questions but they must be asked. >> it's not this. it's not that. we're still at the point six

days later, it could be anything and that's the frustrating thing. i think through the process of elimination we should be checking things off. we know it's not this. we know it's not that. unfortunately, we're not there yet. >> what is this -- what should we learn from this? i don't know if there's anything to be had -- to be made of this yet because we still don't know. >> i think -- i think the one key thing that's going to come out after this, foreign countries, other countries are going to lift up their standards to what we have here with the way we deal with security on our flights. we were vulnerable. now we see. it's not just here. i think you're going to see everybody stepping up now because the malaysians have the spotlight on them. >> i think people are surprised that there is not more security on foreign planes and the satellite. because one official said they waved off the particular security on that plane. i think people are going to be surprised by that.

and maybe a bit reticent about flying overseas. >> depending on where we were in the world, it was different. >> evy, thank you for joining us. now, my colleague in washington jake tapper is picking up the coverage from here. so far it seems every lead, thwarted every theory contradicted. the only thing to do now is to expand the search grid again for flight 370. i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." they may cast a wider net to find that flight. new information indicates that the plane may have flown four hours past the point of last contact. are searchers finally on the right track after days of dead ends? >> also, all right, good night. the final words from the pilots before they went silent. but radio is not the only way that the