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someone will listen. as long as you don't give up, justice is possible. this is cnn breaking news. we are so glad to have you on this saturday morning where there are huge developments overnight in the flight and the disappearance of 370 out of malaysia. >> yeah, this story continues to develop hour by hour. good morning, i'm victor blackwell. >> i'm christi paul. >> it's 6:00 o'clock here on the east coast. this is "new day saturday." of course, we're starting with the breaking news of the disappearance of malaysia airlines flight 370. overnight, the ma labor laboria prime minister confirmed that
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boeing 777 deviated from its flight plan because of -- and this is a quote -- deliberate action by someone on the plane. the prime minister stopped short of calling it a hijacking. this is a quote, as well. it is conclusive it is a hijacking. >> an official told the ap. the search area has expanded now, this is huge as far north as kazakhstan. and from kazakhstan, as far south, look how far this is, as the southern indian ocean. this comes agency the satellite information shows it might have flown not five hours as first expected but seven after losing contract with ground control. also, we've learned malaysia has called off its search in its entirety in the south china sea. they've abandoned that. they've refocused on passengers and crew members. >> we also learned late last
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night of erratic moves by the plane. malaysian military shows the plane climbing to 45,000 feet and then descending to 23,000 feet before once again heading to higher altitude. >> right now, the biggest clue that researchers may have for the crewnd the 239 people are the pings caught by sagtsits. satellites. >> cnn is following it live from kuala lumpur where the plane departed eight days ago now. malays malaysia's prime minister has officially shifted this story line from what caused this plane to disappear. to who caused it to disappear, given a lengthy statement overnight. china is not satisfied what they're hearing. demanding more competent and accurate information from
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malaysia. tell us about that. and what we're hearing from the prime minister there? >> reporter: well, we should note, we just had that briefing, actually a statement read out by the prime minister, there in the front row is the chinese ambassador. interestingly, the russian ambassador was also here. let me get you up to date. a little bit of news coming our way. he said they're going to look again at the aircraft, as well as the passengers. police right now are at the home of the oerld pilot. the man with the most experience who piloted this airplane. they're looking closely at his residence right now. police have a street blocked off in the area of kuala lumpur, as a result of this ongoing investigation. now, you know, obviously that is an indication that they think he is guilty, but they know that they have to investigate everything about this. dramatic developments. and as you say, it changed the narrative about this. who might have been responsible. take a listen.
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>> ground air force readout data showed that an aircraft which was believed, but not confirmed, to be mh-370 did indeed turn back. it then flew in a westerly direction by the peninsula before turning northwest. up until the point at which it left military radar coverage, this movement of consistent are with deliberate action by someone on the plane. >> now, they knew that the pilot -- always they thought that the pilot was the one who turned the aircraft around. they weren't sure why.
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now, they are saying they changed their line a little bit. it was deliberately, some would say, trying to evade the radar. trying to confuse people. now, one of the main communications systems, it sends back all the electronic data about the plane, was disabled right after takeoff. it was still flying over the malay peninsula makes its way towards beijing. less than an hour later when the plane moved from malaysian airspace to vietnam airspace, that is when the transponder was turned off and it changed course. we've got a situation here that is rapidly developing more than we've seen in the past week. christi, victor. >> i know the malaysian government has been criticized by a lot of people not sharing enough information soon enough, now that they are finally
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getting into the home of that pilot, a lot of people are wondering why did it take eight days for that to happen. did they suspect possible pilot suicide. and what do we know about this captain whose home they finally got into? >> reporter: well, we know he was very experienced. no, they have not said anything about a motive whatsoever. i haven't heard that from any sources at all, raising it. the question was raised for seven, eight, days haven't done anything, they actually have police outside the home watching it, but they did not enter the home. a very large police presence there. as they say, that blocked off the street. all of these things are going to have to play out. the passenger list, they're going to have to go all over that again with a fine tooth comb. they 52 shifted the investigation, all the searches in the south china sea are cancelled. now, we're looking at a huge area. we showed that map. let me explaining to to you
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about that map. those red lines are indications, and the very last handshake between the satellite and the aircraft that was conducted, those -- they could be searching at 8:10 a.m. the plane along any of those lines. virtually, anywhere along the red areas of the line. that's where the plane could be. so it's huge. it's 4,000 miles long. it's in southern china. it's up to the border of turq and cass zakazakhstan, way down the indian ocean. the malaysia prime minister as said he was going to call in governments that may be affected by this to cooperate in the search. one of the problems is, in the past seven days, we haven't had any report of any huge airliner being landed across any of that area. in the land area, that we're talking about right now.
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>> jim, thank you in kuala lumpur. guys, if we could put that map back up, a lot of people are waking up this morning to a new map. not one they saw last night. i want to kind of give you an idea. there are two red quadrants. the last ping, the handshake, that jim is talking about. this is where officials believe they got that last ping from the satellites there. you see in the northern, the northeastern quadrant here. you see it starts in northern thailand and goes all the way to kazakhstan, turkmenistan area. the area area starts in the area of indonesia, this is the southeastern area, and goes all the way tote south indian ocean off the coast of australia. this area has expanded. they're not focusing on those two areas. >> and the investigation, 14 countries, 43 ships, 58 aircraft involved in the search.
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now that we have this zpanexpan area, you have to think even more joining it. coming up on "new day" who was inside the cockpit now that the investigation turned to the crew and passengers? >> we're talking to a former pilot next, knowing who was on board trying to solve one of the biggest mysteries in aviation history now. not chalky. temporary... 24 hour. lots of tablets... one pill. you decide. prevent acid with prevacid 24hr. starts with freshly-made pasta, and 100% real cheddar cheese. but what makes stouffer's mac n' cheese best of all. that moment you enjoy it at home. stouffer's. made with care for you or your family. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for him, he's agreed to give it up. that's today? [ male announcer ] we'll be with him all day as he goes back to taking tylenol.
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well, this morning, officials are taking a closer look at who was on that vanished flight 370, the malaysian prime minister says whatever happened inside the cockpit before the flight disappeared was a deliberate act. so let's bring in former pilot and aviation consultant, allison ros rosenschein from london. it's good to have you here. i want to focus on the last
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electronic handshake, they're calling it, was seven hours after the last point of contact. we know this had to be more than an hour into the way. we expected that that path created from kuala lumpur to beijing. was there enough fuel for this 777 to continue for another seven hours after it was already in route to beijing? >> well, seven hours would be the absolute limit. one knows it needs enough fuel to reach beijing. then there will be fuel for diversion and a little bit more for reserve. possibly another hour on top of that. that would be the limit of range of the aircraft. it's not total possible it went for seven hours. i calculated possibly five hours. >> i want to keep up this map, alastair, i don't know if you can see it, it's the map and the art discussed by the malaysian prime minister. we see this northern red line
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from northern thailand, kazakhstan and turkmenistan and into the indian ocean. how is it possible with these two areas so far apart? >> well, i mean, an aircraft can fly in any direction, there's no reason why they couldn't assume it could have gone from the southwest right up to the northwest. i mean, it had enough fuel to go as far as kazakhstan. australia, could have gaund gone to india or it would have turned them back to kuala lumpur and that that would have put them over the ocean. but this latest information this morning, there have been somewhat seems to be some plausible and deliberate acts by someone on the flight deck to actually come on this aircraft
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and to switch off the various pieces of equipment, all of which anybody in the know, and it would have to be somebody in the know, could have done. it's not something which an untrained person could have done. >> so what would be the difficult, in turning off, not just the transponders, our martin savidge showed us you that's just a flick of a switch. but some of the other mechanisms inside this cockpit that could have offered, possible, pings after it was tracked outside of that perimeter? >> well, there are certain passive pieces of equipment of which the flight crew do not have access to. these are pieces of equipment which sends information on aircraft systems back. and, you know, in principle, if you really knew what you were doing, you could possibly disable this equipment. but it is unlikely that untrained personnel, and i'm
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talking people other than flight engineers, ground engineers, they would know how to do this sort of thing. pilots have a certain knowledge of it. as the hijack goes, i really can't say how sophisticated they are. we know that 9/11, the degree of sophistication, by hijackers have increased enormously. that the pilots have been trained to fly and crews basically use the aircraft as a missile, basically, as they have, in this case, you know, a trained pilot could have done this action as been suggested by the minister of malaysia today. >> i want to ask you about the northern corridor here. this plane indeed instead of heading south towards eye indonesia and the south indian ocean went in the direction of kazakhstan and turkmenistan. it would have flown over pretty large military installations
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would they not have picked it up on radar? >> it's inconceivable that an aircraft could have flown there especially without being picked up on the radar. the boeing 777 is not a stealth aircraft. it produces a huge radar ping. it's inconceivable it could have flown over there without being noticed. >> alastair rosenschein, a former pilot and aviation consultant joining us from london. thank you so much. you know, adding to the mystery of flight 370, it goes inside the simulator. to see exactly what would happen when a jet that size suddenly plunges tens of thousands of feet. aflac. ♪ aflac, aflac, aflac! ♪ [ both sigh ] ♪ ugh! ♪
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now, we know the missing malaysia airline flight made extreme changes in altitude. climbing at 45,000 feet, and then dropping to 23,000 feet. >> is that even possible without the whole thing going down. cnn's martin savidge demonstrates what that would look like from inside a 777 simulator. hey, martin. >> reporter: victor and christi, good morning. what we've been doing here, basically, we've been taking all these different scenarios we've been hearing about. and working through through a simulator. the beauty of a simulator, you can try anything but, of course,
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you're not going to get hurt because you're not up in the air. it's as close to real. right now, what we're doing with the 777 is flying at 45,000 feet. that's way above where this airplane was designed to fly. it's extremely difficult to fly. mitchell kazada is the pilot now. he's in manual. what's it like? >> it's extremely difficult. >> one is, we're going nearly too fast. or almost going nearly too slow. either one of those would be disasters. >> let's show you what else is talked about which is this dramatic descent. 40,000 feet in a minute. it's not possible. let's put this plane over the edge, you'll get a pretty good idea of what happened as far as the control. >> okay. so these are the first alarms that are starting to go off. what are they telling us, michelle? >> they're telling us that we're
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dropping at over 20 feet per minute. we're about selaskboulaska sell. and so the plane would be ripping apart. >> we're going so fast. the fact that after that, the reportedly, the plane somehow levels off, that's what's really hard to believe and then to even try to contemplate what's going on back in the passenger section. the g-forces, the extreme sensations they'd have, it could almost be lethal for the passengers back there. and then we start talking about other factors, "the wall street journal" is reporting they believe there could have been two conspirators here. one who is flying the aircraft. while another person actually went down into an electronics bay, that's one deck below and begins to systematically dismantle communications devices. it doesn't necessarily mean you
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have two people. >> you could have one guy up here monitoring the autopilot. or just put the autopilot on and go down in the bay and do what he needs to do there. the plane is son autopilot and come back and pick it up when he's ready. >> it doesn't necessarily mean it had to be two people. it could be two people. lastly, let's talk about the transponder. that was indicated that was a problem. the transponder is right here. that was indicated as disabled or turned off. how do you do that. three steps to the left, one, two, three, it's on. we're still on radar but nobody knows who we are. we're essentially blind. but it did happen. now this tells us where the plane is now, what the fate of crew and passengers, really just adds to the mystery. victor and christi. >> martin savidge. we have breaking news for you about the pilot's home.
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>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. are they going to go inside that home? >> yes. >> we're eight days out now. >> cnn has witnessed on the ground that officials have gone into the home of the pilot 53-year-old zaharia ahmad shah. where the pilot lived in kuala lumpur. cnn just witnessed these officials going into his home. there have been guards, officials, outside of the home for several days. reuters reported that the investigation into it began. cnn has now witnessed a van full of police arriving in an unmarked van, of course, spent two hours in this gated community since the prime minister made his remarks that the crew and passengers are going to be looked at more closely. now, we're going inside this home. of course, we learn more about this as we learn more about what
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here on this saturday morning. i'm christi paul. >> and i'm victor black wii. there have been major developments in the missing flight 370 overnight with the half hour here. we're going to start with all the things that have developed overnight. starting with this, the malaysian prime minister confirmed that the boeing 777 deviated from its flight plan because of, and this is a quote, deliberate action by someone on the plane. now, the prime minister stopped just short of calling it a hijacking. but a government source tells the associated press that is exactly what happened here. >> also, i want to let you know that the search area is now focused on two corridors. two different corridors to this point. look at this map. you see that red area? that's where they're looking. it extends as far north as kazakhstan, and the other as far south as the indian ocean. that search area is angering chinese officials.
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they're demanding that malaysia provide specific information. china's foreign minister said china is sending its own technical experts to assist in the investigation. the question is, is the radar information key to solving the mystery of flight 370. >> yeah, joining us to discuss is ocean search specialist rob mccallen. rob, it's good to have you with us. >> thank you. good morning. >> authorities seemed to have narrowed the focus this morning. you've led the search to find the wreck avenue of air france flight 447. tell us, how does this start? i read you that see this as a starting point without a starting point? >> well, it's tricky. i mean, a starting point at the moment is defined by which ocean or which body of body it might be in. we're still talking in very broad scale terms. >> right. we're talking about as far north as kazakhstan, if we can pull that map up again so people can
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get a vision of how much land and sea. as far north as kazakhstan. as far south as the southern indian ocean. what is the ocean atmosphere in that region? i mean, what kind of challenges are your search teams facing? >> well, with any search, we're sort of -- any search box needs a starting point, once we have a starting point, we like to know an area of probability, you know, how broad is the area that we need to search. because if you end up with a search box, you know, do you start in the middle and work your way out? or start on the outer boundaries and work your way in? so many factors go into working out the probabilities of where the staff actually have the search. >> when you look at the indian ocean specifically, and bay of bengal -- i guess bay of bengal is still in there, what about that atmosphere in the ocean there may help or hinder you in that specific part of the world? >> what you've seen in the last few days with the emphasis and
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search area shifting out to the west is that you're now entering into very, very deep water. down to four, five, six, even 7,000 meters. but from our point of view, not a complex search area in the sense that the sea world is not a complex mosaic. it's generally very flat. for our purposes, using sonar to find wreckage is quite good. >> when you go to the supermarket or barber shop, this is all that everybody is talking about. nothing has come to the surface, not a seat, not a suitcase. since we haven't seen any debris, do you think that would leave investigators to search that northern area over land, or is it still possible that everything inside that plane is somewhere at the bottom of the ocean? >> it's entirely possible that
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the aircraft has come down in the ocean. and we have not located any wreckage here because we've been looking in the wrong place. if it was out into the middle of the bay of bengal, then there's much lighter traffic there. marine traffic, than there is out further to the east where they've been looking. so it's entirely possible, with shift in focus. the shift in direction that we might now start finding wreckage. and that will be our first indication of where to start. >> you know, we talk about how to go about this search, in this part of the area, but what about the people who are in charge of this search? i mean, now, this morning, as we head, we're learning that china's demanding more comprehensive and accurate information from malaysia. how difficult is a search like that when you have so many hands involved? >> very difficult. and it's going to take some time to unravel it all. and like any good mystery, the
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clues will come one by one. but for our purposes, for more pragmatic purposes of where to duct an underwater search, we do need to define a start point. once you're searching in very deep water, in this case, 20,000, 25,000 feet, you know, obviously search efforts are quite slow. pulling a sonar unit through the water at those depths, so the tighter you can get the search area the better. >> so, rob, 24, 36 hours ago, the big headline was from chinese researchers that they had this seafloor event about 90 minutes after the last point of contact for 370. and now, of course, we move beyond that because we're looking at these two specific areas, one over land. one in the south indian ocean. could another seafloor event now in the southern portion of this area, the southern corridor, could that be a starting point? or do those even matter, consider all the possible
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earthquakes and shifts that happen on any given day on the water? >> you know, this is such an incredib incredible thirst for information. a critical need to find out what happened, all sorts of theories are being explored, as each new one comes to hand, people want to follow it to take it to its conclusion. if you look at the overall trend of the information, little by little, the pattern is shifting out towards the west. and if the aircraft is out on that deep water, then certainly, there are assets that can be used to find it. >> ocean search specialist, rob mccallum, thank you for helping us. i think people understand what a search over land is, once you get to the depths of these oceans and bodies of waters, people are lost to kind of sort this out. >> thank you, sir. the fate of hundreds of passengers on board the missing malaysia airliner of course that remains a mystery. >> prayers and well wishes are
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they are going through as they try to get any word on what happened with the people they loved. >> and the information changes hour by hour. you think at one point, it's a crash, then a hijacking, well, are these people somewhere alive? and now, we're getting a personal portrait of some of those people. some of the passengers on 370. cnn's nick valencia is here with a look at who they are. nick? >> good morning, victor and christi. when you hear that number 239 people on board. it's difficult to give an image to ma that number. we'll start with this man here, paul wiese, he was on his way to a dream job, a mining job in mongolia. he had been living in australia. he was no strange to devastation. his family and he lived through the earthquake. his wife said, he was telling a local affiliate before he got on the plane, his premonition, whatever it was, he gave her his
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wedding ring and watch just in case something happened to him. they have two young boys. she's hopeful. this is someone else on the plane, canadians montreal, canada, they had been calling beijing home. they also have two young children who they left with their grandparents while going on vacation in vietnam. his boss caught up with one of our local affiliates who said he was a great colleague and friend. you're looking at more pictures of this beautiful couple. another person we want to talk to you about, somebody, originally a malaysian national, but had called pennsylvania home. working in a chemical plant to make rubber materials, cheng
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mingling. a young woman with an infectious laugh. she will be living in pennsylvania since 2010. she was back to the united states when she got on that flight. and this man here, an oklahoma city resident. family and friends hoping for his safe return. we hope that gives mean to get 239 passengers are all with unique stories. >> we're hearing some of the heartfelt prayers and wishes on social media and videos as well. nick valencia, thank you. following another big story for you, by the way, in just hours, crimea is going to vote on whether to succeed from ukraine and rejoin russia. that strained relations between washington and moscow. we're going to break it down. what does this mean. we'll take a closer look ahead. but first -- >> sex trafficking is big business in the u.s. one study funded by the justice department found it generates nearly $300 million a year in atlanta alone.
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what is this place? where are we? this is where we bring together the fastest internet and the best in entertainment. we call it the x1 entertainment operating system. it looks like the future! we must have encountered a temporal vortex. further analytics are necessary. beam us up. ♪ that's my phone. hey. [ female announcer ] the x1 entertainment operating system, only from xfinity. tv and internet together like never before. 12 minutes to the top of the hour. of course, we'll have much more coverage on the search for malaysia airlines flight 370 in a moment. first, we want to get you the
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latest in ukraine because voters in the crimea peninsula will decide sunday whether to rejoin russia. >> yeah, the vote is set to go ahead, despite warnings from moscow from the u.s., from the european union, that russia is going to face consequences if it tries to annex crimea. vladimir, thank you for being with us. we know they're going to ask if they support crimea with russia. do you have any indication what the majority will say here? >> i think largely, probably, the majority will say, yes, that do. after all, 60% of population of crimea are russian. 24% are ethnic tartars. i know the leader of the tatar
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community called vladimir putin abdomen begged him not to take crimea into russia. and president putin answered, well, let's wait until the referendum is over. what that means is anyone's guess. i know that the local government of crimea has invited the key of government to come show observers to make sure that referendum is fair ands on. they said they're not going to send anyone. so they're not sending them, obviously, sale they, this was a referendum 60ed under the guns of russian troops. it's like there's no winner here. it's a no-no for everybody. and the only people i think who can clearly solve this, or the only countries that can solve it, are the united states and russia. they have to find common ground, after a six-hour discussion between the soviet -- the russian, excuse me, russian
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minister of foreign affairs, will lavrov, and the secretary of state john kerry, the outcome was, well, there was a constructive discussion, but they still have not found common ground which makes me kind of pessimistic about the outcome. >> vladimir, during this meeting between president obama and ukrainian interim prime minister, the president said, i'm going to quote here, that russia will be forced -- or the u.s. will be forced to apply a cost to russia's violations of international law. we pretty much know what mr. putin thinks about those words but on the peninsula, there in crimea, how do they view the u.s.' role here and the strength behind those words? >> you know, that's hard to say. but the feeling i get is, they don't really pay much attention to it. again, those who are absolutely decided they want to be part of russia, they don't care what president obama says.
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there's no fear, people don't think there's going to be a war over this, and they won't, definitely. lavrov, the other day, said russia has no intention whatsoever of using military force in southeastern ukraine. and the feeling is, all right, so what are these sanctions going to be? i was talking to a taxi driver here in moscow, he said to me, but for us, we're regular, normal people, what do those sanctions going to mean? i don't know, not much perhaps but the ruble is going to fall a little more, so life will be a little more expensive for you. otherwise, they're not going to take away the diesel from a regular guy who hasn't done anything. the feeling is, they're going to threaten them right back and go back to cold war mentality which is something most people are pretty much used to, except the younger generation, and for them, it's going to be really difficult. >> vladimir, thank you for your insight. we appreciate you taking time
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oh, my goodness, it is the mystery that we cannot take our eyes off of. malaysia airlines flight 370. and here's what we know. a lot has happened overnight. two passengers boarded the plane using stolen passports. that, we know. authorities now say it's unlikely those men are linked to terrorist groups. but the fact remains they boarded a plane using someone
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else's passport, obviously, that leaves major security concerns as a whole. >> especially since the prime minister has now shifted to a deliberate act by someone and not a technical or mechanical problem. here's cnn's zain ashley with specifics about it. >> it can take weeks to make a possible -- it can take a few hours to make a passport. >> reporter: tony seles spent 15 years making passports in the uk before being sent to jail. >> just picking the edge of the passport. >> reporter: here her changing the name on this passport to mine. >> anything can be faked. someone actually made this passport. that means it can be repeated again. you can see how close through to the picture we actually are
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here. >> reporter: according to interpol, approximately 40 million passports have been reported stolen since 2002. someone them sold illegally to someone who looked a little bit to the original bearer. >> even if you look a little bit to that person, that's good enough. >> reporter: others end up in the hands of counterfeiters. >> it's a huge black market for passports. absolutely huge. on a daily basis, an average freudster buys five or six. >> reporter: a counterfeit passport it more likely to raise red flags in airport security than a stolen one because many countries have introduced procedures to prevent altercation. for example, the front page contains an image of an eagle with 13 arrows while another has 11 or 12. >> we are working to introduce a
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next generation passport that will have additional forensic features, but no matter how good you are, someone is trying to beat the system. >> reporter: especial lehr when it comes to theft. not everyone checks interpol's database. two men were allowed to board with passports had that had been reported stolen in 2012 and 2013. micro ships of data. >> they can validate that data. >> reporter: many countries are still behind in implementing them. >> we've seen the new electronic passports come in they've made definitely forging a passport much more difficult. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. 7:00 right now in the east.
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and we are so grateful to have your company. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. this is "new day saturday." if you think you went to sleep knowing the narrative of this malaysia flight it has completely changed overnight. especially now that we have the new statement from the malaysian prime minister. and he has confirmed the boeing 777 deviated from its flight plan because of, quote, deliberate action by someone on the plane. as that investigation moves forward, we've learned in the last hour that a large number of police officers arrived near the home of one of the pilots. >> the captain, specifically. now, we have also learned the search area, my goodness, you thought you knew where this was going to be. take a look now because it's focused on two corridors. the first, what you see, see that red line there? that whole arch encompassing that whole arch is what they're
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be looking. north as far as kazakhstan. south, as far as the indian ocean. this is huge. that area has alerted chinese officials too. they're none too happy, demanding that malaysia provide information for them. and investigators now taking a hard look at those two possible routes. but flight 370 may have taken. we want to bring in cnn's jim clancy, he's in malaysia's capital kuala lumpur where the boeing 777 departed eight days ago now and then vanished. >> jirtm, you've been following the investigation from day one. tell us about this new map. people just joining us this hour, this is the first time they're seeing this. tell us about these two new corridors. >> reporter: all right, victor, christi, this isn't easy and i
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wasn't a math major, all right? let's put it like that. this device on the aircraft that sent a hand headacshakhandshake itself up once an hour to the satellite would send a signal every hour and they're able to follow it. 8:11 it sent its last one. a full eight hours after it took off here from kuala lumpur international airport. as it did so, they can get a reading on the satellite antenna, how many degrees would be the center of this object. but that's all they can do. they can't pinpoint it on a map. so you have an area, take a look at that map, anywhere you can see a red line, that plane could have been anywhere along that red line, either in that northern quadrant or way down on the southern quadrant. it could have been over an open ocean. over the steps of kazakhstan.
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it could have been over southern china. all of those areas are going to have to be studied. mind you, is this just one snapshot that they have. they have one from every hour that that plane stayed aloft, or powered up. so they're hoping to reach that data and reach out and get radar data. information that this plane would take morning a mile-long run runway. it's not something that's easy to hide if it were to go in the northern area. in the southern area, you're talking about wide open ocean. we know this, victor, christi, we know that the plane was nearly out of fuel when this snapshot, if you will, was taken. so the plane could have gone much farther. back to you. >> okay. so we know that they're reshifting their focus on that part of the country. but they're also shifting their focus more closely now, in-depth to the passengers and the crew, yes? >> you know, that was maybe in my mind, one of the big shifts.
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i think that the government here had been loathe to say that it was a hijacking outright. they're not saying that. they are saying all options are open. but they realize, confronted with this evidence, they have to change course in this investigation. and that's what they decided to do. listen to what the prime minister thnajib razak had to s. >> in light of this latest investigation, we have focused on the crew and passengers on board despite earlier reports that the plane was hijacked, i wish to be very clear, we are still investigating all possibility as to what caused mh-370 to deviate from its
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original flight plan. >> reporter: all right, the prime minister there making it very clear. i can tell you, that police were at the compound where the pilots live. you know, like a housing subdivision. they will were in substantial numbers. they have blocked off the street leading to one of the homes. one of the pilots has had about 25,000 hours of experience. he's in -- i believe he's in his 50s. there's a 29-year-old pilot that was the first mate. he is in his late 20s. both men's records will be examined. but more than that, they will look at that passenger list to see -- they're going to go over it one more time and check everybody on that list out. and they are going to reach out to all of these countries to get more data, to get more information on all of these people, and try to assemble, you know, a better investigation. they want to lead it. it was their national airline. christi, victor. >> jim clancy live for us in
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kuala lumpur, following this investigation from the very start. jim, thank you. we're going to bring in cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. tom, thank you for being with us early in the morning. in light of the information that the plane deviated from its flight plan by what is new today a deliberate act by someone on that plane, according to the prime minister, when you hear that, does that suggest to you sabotage? does it suggest terrorism? and what's the difference between the two? >> yeah. >> it suggests to me, christi and victor that, you know, obviously somebody took control of that aircraft. and took it another 4,000 miles from where it was supposed to be going. now, is that one of the pilots? the captain, the co-pilot? did a hijacker get into the cockpit? either of those scenarios are possible. they have to look at all the personnel that worked on that airline. had access to the airplane, awe the passengers, trying to
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determine through their identification and documents used to travel which might be false, not just the two iranians but others who might not have used true names and their passports are still stolen and they're trying to track every person down and verify who they are. also you would have to check the caterer, the house cleaning people, the mechanics that work on that flight because they could possibly hide a weapon, you know, either in the bathroom or understand the seat where the life vests are so a hijacker could board with no problem, go through the magnetometer and have something waiting for him to use to take control of that aircraft. so all of those are possibilities. what we're hearing from the malaysians now, they're confirming what many people were worried about from the beginning, that a human being, one or more, took that aircraft from its original course on a different course. >> so, tom, we've reported this morning that china's foreign
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minister says that they want more comprehensive and accurate information. here's what i'm having a difficult time reconciling. the prime minister will not go as far as to say this is a hijacking. however, he has confirmed that it's consistent with someone taking deliberate action on the plane. so whether that is a hijacker who is a passenger, a crew member or the pilot, when you take a plane off its ended course and veer it off to some other country or some other place, isn't that by definition a hijacking? >> well, that's true, but, you know, we're talking about a semantic difference here. you have people doing these press conferences. and english is not their native language. so you could have a degree of terminology. and even here in the u.s. when we describe an event, sometimes, we use different terms. is it a hijack is it the pilot takes his own plane? we just had an ethiopian pilot a
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month ago, fly his plane, take it to switzerland and ask for aly asyl asylum. he hijacked the plane and crawled out of the window and said can i have asylum, and they introduced him to their jail. do you call that a hijacking? do you call that a pilot suicide? or maybe a pilot under duress being forced to take that plane somewhere. there's many possibilities. exactly what it's being called i think is a little bit nuanced since they're not speaking in their native language. >> okay, i only have -- >> just that one question. i think we're going for the same one. the home in kuala lumpur of this captain -- well, were know the police have gone in. what would you be looking for in that home? >> well, they'll be looking for any indication, you know, additional paperwork. additional records from his personal computer. his laptop, obviously, he's a
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high-technology guy. he's got a flight simulator already there. maybe there's some indication or notes that indicate that he was looking at other airports as far away as kazakhstan or northern australia or any other points that plane could have reached, given the fuel it might have had. any indication he may have already been planning this event. even before searching the home, they could already be obtaining his bank records, internet records, cell phone records, talking to colleagues, talking to friend, neighbors and relatives to get a state of mind, his mental stability. was he depressed, happy, somebody threatening him. there's so many different things that would come up that would cause an individual to do something he normally wouldn't do. they're looking at all aspects of that. >> tom fuentes, thank you so much. we appreciate you taking the time to walk us through this. >> you're welcome.
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>> what surprised me, you know, if the pilot had something to do with it, because if he was trying to plan something nefarious, he put that information out on the internet that he had built this thing in his home. so it certainly just points so many more questions into that. that's part of what we're talking about today. as this whole thing seems to just get amplified with it in terms of searching overnight. the intentions changing overnight. and continue with the false leads that have come up and how much time it's taken. so much more to explore. for retirement. but when we start worrying about tomorrow, we miss out on what matters today. ♪
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following all the latest twists and turns and there have been many overnight. >> oh, my goodness, yes. >> on the disappearance of malaysia airlines flight 370. today, the country's prime minister said whenever happened was likely the result of a deliberate act inside that plane. >> investigators are refocusing, i should say, on the investigation of the crew and passengers at this point. and the massive search has widened again. it's been more than a week since this aviation mystery started. alexander fields is going to take a look at some of the allegations and false leads that have come out. >> reporter: all right, good night. a week ago that was the last communication from malaysia airlines flight 370. at 12:41 saturday morning, the 777 leaves kuala lumpur headed for beijing with 239 people on
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board. at 2:40, it shows up on radar hundreds of miles off course. >> at the moment, we have got no idea where this aircraft is. >> reporter: over the weekend, the search goes over the mouth of thailand and expands into the peninsula in the strait of malacca before it widens again covering the gulf of thailand and the south china sea. families fear the worse while searchers have a series of false starts. >> we're doing okay. we are -- we're taking it sometimes an hour at a time. sometimes just a minute at a time. >> reporter: a vietnamese search link spots an oil slick in the area where flight 370 lost contact. but the slicks are later linked to cargo ships. vietnam's navy sees floating objects in the gulf of thailand but it isn't the debris they're looking. >> "a," we're not looking in the right place, or "b," the aircraft touched down not unlike captain sullenberger did on the
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hudson where the aircraft touched water. >> reporter: a satellite image puts it isn't the strait of malacca. by wednesday, the chinese released their own satellite images announcing the three suspected floating objects. search crews find nothing related to flight 370. interpol secretary ronald nobodile identifies two iranian passengers who boarded the flight with stolen passports questions with somehow linking to the disappearance. the investigation we have is so many ambiguous and complex and confusing, that's the issue. we're following all the leads but it can be mechanical and it can be terrorism. officials say they continue to find no link to terrorism, but everything is being considered. on thursday, searchers head into the indian ocean, amid reports based on data pinging that the plane could have flown four or five hours after it was last season on radar.
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>> continuous pinging suggests that the plane is still in flight and still operating. so that would sort of rule out the idea of an in-flight breakup or crashing into the sea. >> reporter: on friday, a reuters report citing unidentified sources say the plane could have been deliberately thrown towards the and daman islands in the indian ocean. the u.s. sources say the plane likely crashed in the indian ocean. alexandra is joining us live from new york. good to see you. there's so much confusion and contradictions with this thing. what the latest you're hearing? >> day after day, development after day, we're hearing some of these things plausible, some implausible. most significantly overnight this news that there could have been deliberate action in the cockpit. takenably what this means, searchers will move away from
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the sea and move to the north near kazakhstan border and indonesia into the southern i d indian ocean. we'll see have to see if the leads are any closer on day eight. that continues to be the hope. >> certainly for the families waiting to get some news of what happened to the passengers. alexandra fields, thank you so much. >> the fate of the passengers, there's so many involved in the affairs of this who are thinking about the families of these men and women. >> there's no answer at all. it's the absolute worst. we're going to introduce some of the people on board 370 in just a moment. but, manufacturing in the united states means advanced technology. we learned that technology allows us to be craft oriented. no one's losing their job. there's no beer robot that has suddenly chased them out.
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we've seen the anguish and the despair of family members who are waiting to learn the fate of their loved ones who are were on that boeing 777. you can emphasize here. >> good morning, victor, 339 passengers, 339 individual stories ranging from engineers to artists to just ordinary travelers. paul weeks originally from new zealand. he was on his way to a dream job as a miner in among goal la. before he got on that flight, he gave his wife his wedding ring and his watch just in case anything happened to him to give to his two young went.
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another company, merkah and his wife bai, they were expected to vacation in vietnam. his boss told our local affiliate he was a great colleague and great friend. another person we want to talk about say malaysian national who lives here in pennsylvania. this is right here cheng mei ling, she was working a chemical plant making rubber material. she had an infectious laugh. she lived in the united states since 2010 and was on her way back to the united states when she got on malaysia airlines flight 370. another person from the united states, phil wood, originally from oklahoma city. he loved to travel the world. and that was something that he was really encouraging him and instilled in him in a young age when he moved to germany. his friends and family said he
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was a god-centered man. a very kind and humble man. you could tell by that great smile on his face there. it's difficult, victor, when you look at that large number, 239 number, to see it and give meaning to it. we're trying to give, this morning, portraits to some passengers on the malaysia airlines flight 370. >> we have so many questions about where and how but we cannot forget the who, nick. the extended family and friends waiting for some answers. coming up on "new day" as investigators probe who are the passengers and crew on 370, they're also expanding the search. up next, why investigators face enormous challenges in the days ahead.
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i'll be honest, our heads are spinning today as we get even more information, new information now, about what's happening with the malaysia flight 370. i'm christi paul, we're so glad to have your company here. >> i'm victor blackwell. we've got the latest for you on the disappearance of 370. overnight, and this is what has really changed the narrative of what happened to this flight, the prime minister in malaysia confirmed the boeing 777 deviated because its flight plan, and here's the big change, deliberate action by someone on
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the plane. it's no longer about what happened on board but who's responsible. we also learned within the last half hour, a large number of police officers arrived at the home of the captain of the craft, the prime minister says the investigation is once again focused on the crew members and passengers. >> but let's talk about the new search area focused on two corridors. take a look at this map here. you see the red lines? it could be anywhere within those arches. look how expansive this is. the first point extending as far north as kazakhstan. the second as far south as the southern indian ocean. that new search, by the way, has angered chinese officials, apparently. because they are demanding malaysia provide more specific information to them. china's foreign minister said the company is sending its own to assist. it's been 186 hours since air traffic controllers lost contact
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with flight 370. instead of finding answers, that search area we see is growing. not only is it grow, but it has shifted. you think how much time is involved here. >> this morning, investigators are focused on, as we see here, as christi just said, the two portals, the flight, the red/orange color. the last connection with air traffic control, not air traffic control actually but the satellites, the pings of the aircraft. joining us david gallo, the director of the woods aircraft and andrew johnson from the smithsonian. great to have both of you. let's take a step back. we're eight days in now. help us wrap our heads around the challenges of a search. at waters at this depth. i mean, what are the searchers using to try to find this plane? >> hi, victor, hi, christi.
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right now, i think the search is not under sea. it's still on the surface of the ocean. and that area, those corridors, are huge. when you're in a plane searching you can look as far as the horizon. beneath the sea, you're lucky if you can see 30 feet. once -- in the searcher of 2008, 2010 and then 2011, we had the fortune of knowing the last known position and we agreed there could be debris there and eventually there, five days later we found that. we're a long way before we get on with this program under sea. >> okay, let me ask you, how long do you think that it could take to find this thing? i mean, we're talking about a 209-foot plane in a massive body of water. we do have 57 ships, 48 aircraft, 13 countries hunting around the clock. >> yeah. >> time-frame that for us. >> hard to say, air france, it was five days after the tragedy
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that they first found bits of wreckage. we thought that was a long time. but even in that case, the thought was that that plane would never be found because it was so remote. so deep, so rugged under water. you know, all of those ships and planes are tiny compared to the kinds of areas that we're talking about. my worry is that -- well, one, we're not absolutely positivity sure that plane would crash. although i heard that word used yesterday in the media. i don't know where that information comes from. we're desperate to find some bit of wreckage in the water so -- at this point, we've got to backtrack about using models of currents and winds and tides and whatnot to find out where that plane would have impacted the ware. hopefully, somebody gets lucky and sees something. but it's getting tougher by the day. >> andrew, if this plane indeed went down, immediately after or within the hours after it went
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out, into water, have we lost, or have searchers lost any momentum if indeed it's in the south indian ocean, all the days spent in the south china sea, has that been lost, have we lost any momentum? >> possibly, if you're referring to the search in the local area? >> yes. >> but honestly, it's not terribly surprising -- it's unfortunate, but not terribly surprising that debris or some evidence of a crash, if that's what happened, hasn't been found yet. as just pointed out it's a huge area. and some people have said it looks like trying to find a need until a haystack. that ratio might be wrong. it might be a tiny pin prick with within four or five haystacks. the map that you're showing of the two corridors which i assume is based on the footprint of the antennas on the satellite that
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may be a little misleading in that the lines you're showing may actually need to be much wider. some people think you can fly a search aircraft along those lines until you find something. it may be in a much broader area. that's really unknown right now. >> andrew, we always hear in cases like this about a ping from a black box and how that might help. we haven't heard anything about whether something like that has been heard. we assume not because we haven't heard it. but if there is a ping, if it can be detected, how long could that be going off to help alert searchers? >> well, i'm not an expert at black boxes, but from what i understand, you've got multiple days and you need to be within a pretty close proximity of the black box in order to hear that ping. so we've still got time. i think it goes for a couple of weeks to find that. but as i said, the focus of attention right now is trying to find evidence, perhaps, on the
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surface of the ocean using tools like aircraft and satellite imagery to try to find evidence. but the area is so large. and the physical evidence could be pretty tiny. some of the satellite image tools we've used so far can make things visible that are the size of maybe a football field or larger. some of the high resolution satellites you can resolve things down to the size of an automobile or maybe a dining room table. you need to know exactly where you're looking. that's the unknown right now. the area is so large, it's going to be quite some time if anything turns up. >> i wonder the depths of the waters being searched now. initially, this was a pretty shallow area. the first couple of days of the search. then we moved off into the south china sea. and now into the southern indian ocean. give us an idea exactly how deep the wares are. although we're waiting for debris to float to the top, where this plane, the body of the plane, could be? >> yeah, well, you know, if
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we're talking about bay of bengal, you can get down fairly easily down to a couple miles' depth. and the further south you go towards the southwest or even to the south, south or southwest -- well, the seafloor gets progressively deeper down to three-plus miles and far more rugged. up to the north, it's sediment coverage. that makes finding or hearing the ping tougher. in the more rugged terrain, you know, south, it could be rugged volcanic terrain as opposed to sediment. it can be really tough. and the other thing is, in the gulf of thailand, the water's very shallow. a couple hundred feet. you can use -- there's quite a bit of equipment available to survey those kinds of water depths but once you get into the deep water, then you're talking about have fairly specialized equipment that also requires fairly specialized ships to carry it. everything is trending towards the more difficult right now. >> okay. so, andrew, i know you're
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speculating, i need to ask, are you confident that we are going to find this plane if it is in the ocean, or is this going to be one of those things that remains a mystery? >> i know that for all the families of the people on the aircraft and for all of us that are interested would love to hear a definitive answer on that question. you know, like to be able to give odds whether or not we'll find something sooner or later or ever. at this point, i wouldn't hazard to guess one way or another. i really didn't predict. and i know that's not satisfying, but especially over the last 24 to 48 hours, as the possible area where this aircraft went keeps getting larger and larger and larger. if we've got a situation where something ended up in the oceans, especially, it's really impossible to predict, unfortunately. >> and of course, we hope for the families of these people that indeed is go into the water, that that closure for them, if that is indeed what happened that they get that.
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grief-stricken family members and friends of these passengers, they're waiting for answers. hoping for good news about their loved one. >> clinical psychologist jeff gardere is live with us. thank you for being with us. >> grng monood morning. >> it's not about the plane but the people on it. if you could sit down with the families today what's the first thing you would say to them? >> the first thing i would say to them is that we totally understand, as much as we can, showing the empathy, that the pain and frustration that they're going under. you know, the issue here is that the malaysian airlines company is not giving consistent information. part of it is because they don't have some, but there are rumors that they may be suppressing information. so you know it's going to make these family members very angry, much more frustrated. and of course, they're completely devastated because this is one of the greatest
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mysteries -- aeronautical mysteries that we're dealing right now. >> telling the role that all of these theories play into the emotions of someone waiting. you hear talk about maybe the plane as at the bottom of the ocean. then the discussion of hijacking which could lead to some theory that someone has them alive somewhere. what are they feeling? >> well, it certainly is an emotional roller coaster ride. because they have the highs and the lows. victor, you talked about a glimmer of hope. that's what they're holding on to. i call this story the hope and horror. the hope that they're still alive but the horror that they may have died a terrifying, horrible death. or if they're alive, hopefully if they're alive, a lot of them don't have medications, are they being tortured, what is going on with them? the family members are in a no man's land right now emotionally. a lot of them don't know what to feel, other than the angerer the
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frustration that they're having with people they can be pointing fingers to as far as the airlines. i would say, christi, going back to your question, i would say to them, talk to one another. rely on your faith right now. pray as much as you can. but the important thing is to stick together. because you can understand each other's pain more than anyone else right now. >> and i have to believe -- i mean, i had a girlfriend who was murdered. in that first 24 hours of not knowing is the hardest by all means. i can't imagine what these folks are going through. how do you make sure, too, that they don't isolate themselves? that they keep those conversations going? that can be do that when they do, yes? >> yeah, it is very dangerous to isolate yourself and certainly suppress the feelings that you're asking because it makes you sick, it makes you lash out at others. and right now, you really need to stick together. i think one of the things that the airline is doing, which is important, is that they do have the family members together.
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they do give them briefings together. and i think that solidarity is helping them form their own informal support groups. and i certainly do hope that they're putting grief counselors throughout, even though we don't know what's going on, to just allow them to communicate. to just allow them be still if they need to. but to know that someone is there, and some way, some way, trying to keep hope alive until we find out what happens here. >> jeff gardere, great advice. thank you so much. >> my pleasure. >> that's what we can understand, these people want to be heard. >> yeah, they want to be heard. as he said, it's best to be together. there's few people in the world exactly understand what they're going through. they're hearing the updates about the search and it's changing. we know not just the aircraft and ships involved. but also digital volunteers are joined in this search now, they're doing it through crowd sourcing. we're going to take a look at how this works when we come
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of all of things that are changing overnight, this is one of them too. think of the numbers. 57 ships. 48 aircrafts. 14 countries involved in the search for the missing malaysia airplane. we think it crashed. we don't know yet. other volunteers have joined the digital search for clues. this is a new arena here. >> lot of people don't know about it. it is crowd sourcing. it allows people around the world to comb the search area. so many people want to do something. this is something people are doing. cnn's ana cabrera has the story. >> reporter: he is one of many around the world crowd sourcing. using satellite shots to search
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for malaysia airline flight 370. we searched with him through his computer joining what organizers say are 2 million volunteers poring over the digital images looking for the missing flight. >> it is important to search. >> reporter: it can be an arguous task. crowd sourcers are sharing a raft or maybe wings. the search area has been divided in sessions. each tile is roughly ten city blocks. the key is, if you see anything, wreckage, a raft, an object, you flag it. >> this is a real needle in a haystack problem. >> reporter: digital globe says every pixel has had eyes on it
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at least 30 times. so far, 35,000 features have been tagged. experts are working to determine if the tags are real clues. >> i have not seen anything of any particular interest at this point. you know, we will keep searching. >> reporter: he has looked at about 4,000 city blocks himself and refuses to give up. ana cabrera, cnn, denver. >> the effects are expanding beyond the water and malaysia. wall street is feeling the missing plane as well. >> we are talking about boeing and malaysia airline and rolls royce. alison kosik has more for us this morning. good morning, alison. >> hi, victor and christi. the impact of the missing air flight 370 is felt on wall street. boeing took the hit this week. its shares dropped 4%. boeing makes the 777 plane, the
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model that went missing. it is used on a lot of international routes. at $260 million a pop, it is boeing's cash cow making a chunk of the sales. not everyone is worried. the financial impact for boeing, long term, isn't a big concern. boeing is getting orders for the 777, remember, the plane isn't new. it has been around for 20 years. its safety record is pretty good. boeing has weathered other problems in the past like production delays and battery fires with the dreamliner plane. the short-term concerns are having an effect. rolls royce made the 777's engine. the stock ended higher on friday, but there were declines mid week. over at malaysia airline, that stock dropped 4% this week. bottom line, analysts say the big concern is confidence. the longer the search, the loss
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of confidence. christi and victor. >> alison kosik, thank you very much. >> coming up, the search for flight 370 is now bigger than ever. a little more defined. we will show you where officials think it was headed and why the malaysian prime minister says the flight crew is once again the focus of the investigation as well as some of the passengers. marge: you know, there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber. try phillips fiber good gummies. they're delicious, and a good source of fiber to help support regularity. wife: mmmm husband: these are good! marge: the tasty side of fiber. from phillips. starts with freshly-made pasta, and 100% real cheddar cheese.
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if you're a college basketball fan, i hope you picked your bracket wisely. march madness is coming up. >> have you picked yours? >> i haven't. i'm no good. >> i haven't either. we have cnn's brian with us. you filled yours out. >> no, i haven't. selection sunday is tomorrow. >> you have more instinct than the rest of us do. >> christi and victor, it is totally -- you have no idea what's going to happen. my grandmother beat me two years ago in the tournament and she's in her 80s. >> there is a chance. i love it. >> all duke has to do now is win the acc tourney. they will most likely lock a number one seat. it is not that easy.
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good morning. as i said, we have had all kinds of breaking news overnight. a lot of things have changed in the search for malaysia airline flight 370. we want to welcome you. i'm christi paul. >> it is good to have you. if you are waking up at this hour, 8:00 on the east coast with "new day saturday." the search for 370. overnight, the malaysian prime minister confirmed the boeing 777 deviated from the flight plan because of a quote, deliberate action due to someone on the plane. we learned a large number of police arrived near a home of one of the pilots, the captain, we believe there. as the primary says the investigation is now focusing on just the crew members and the passengers. that has changed as well. >> let's talk about this new focus on two corridors in terms of where the plane might be.
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do you see the red lines there? the plane could be anywhere in that huge expansive area. as far north as kazakhstan and as far south as the southern indian ocean. that new area is angering chinese officials as well. the search in that area. they are demanding that malaysia give more information. china's prime minister says the country is sending technical experts to assist. >> their big question this morning is who might have been at the controls of the jetliner when it crashed. i'm sorry. let me correct that before we move on. i don't want to say crash. we do not know where this is. it is still a mystery before it vanished. let me be clear about that. >> an official familiar with the investigation with cnn says the more difficult it is to right off the possibility of human intervention here. >> let's go to cnn's jim clancy.
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jim has been following this since day one. he is in kuala lumpur where the boeing 777 departed eight days ago. jim, satellites picked up signals, pings, you are calling them handshakes from the plane after it lost contact with the civilian and military radar. tell us what created this new map we are seeing this morning. >> well, it was a device onboard the aircraft that automatically communicates with a mr-sat, a marine satellite circling in orbit. it does a handshake. it reaches out once an hour, just one time an hour, to pick up any data from me, you want to send me a message. all of the other systems had been shutdown. that system continued to operate. it was never meant to be a
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locat locator. it is not going to fix a position. the experts who deal with it try to make it do something it has never done. they calculated by the angle of the antennae, where the signal was coming from, and they came up with an arc. it is not a pinpoint position. it is just a point anywhere along that line that the plane would have been at the last ping. 8:11 in the morning on march 8th, the day this jetliner vanished into thin air. we thought we would never see it again. we never would know what happened to it. they tracked it on radar and now they used this, even though all of the systems were being disabled. that one little link remained. you know it is the shutdown of those communication systems that is the strongest evidence that perhaps one of the pilots is involved because one of the communication systems that sends
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data about the health of the plane was shutdown shortly after takeoff. before the plane was each over the malaysian peninsula headed north to beijing. it was still over land. it was disabled. when it got further out to the point where it transfers from the control tower to kuala lumpur to ho chi ming city. that is when things were going haywire with the aircraft. that is why we are seeing the pilots' homes being attended to by police. they are searching them as the investigation takes new direction. christi and victor. >> focusing on the crew members and passengers. jim clancy from kuala lumpur, thank you very much. the four words we heard over the past few days. all right. good night. those were the last words heard
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from malaysia airline flight 370. after that, the flight turned into the night and disappeared. >> the big question is who said the words. who turned off the transponder? renee marsh is live for us from washington. renee, what are they focusing on to try to figure that out and answer those questions? >> well, we do know this, as far as the faa and ntsb, a u.s. officials briefing cnn overnight and they say the focus is on analyzing that data. they are trying to look at the radar data and satellite data to get a good feel where the plane is. that is the priority. we know agencies helping the malaysian authorities are the faa and ntsb. they analyzed satellite data. we heard jim clancy talk about it. based on that satellite data,
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not radar, but satellite data, they learned key things. they can now say coming out of the press conference this morning with the high degree of certainty that the aircraft systems that essentially communicates how the plane is performing, the engines, the fuel burned. that system was disabled. they also say that was done right as the plane was going over the east coast of the malaysian peninsula. shortly after that, the transponder which gives details about the speed and altitude and identifies this is malaysia airline flight 370, that was switched off. that data confirms the plane was eventually in tact and was flying another seven hours after it vanished from civilian radar. we know the plane had seven hours of fuel left. that would suggest if this satellite data is on point, the plane would have run out of fuel
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essentially. here is the issue now. this satellite data can give them a general idea of where this plane may be, but that general idea is still very broad. let's just step back for a little bit here. we are talking about day eight and now we see that they have switched their resources. they are no longer focused on the south china sea. they are now looking at that area. you are looking at that map. it could be anywhere as far north as kazakhstan and as far south as the indian ocean they are searching. a very big turn here from what we were talking about last saturday. so many days later. now they are zeroing in on a different area, very different from where they started. again, it is all based on the new information that both the ntsb and faa analyzes as far as the satellite information that they have this general idea of
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where the plane may have gone down. victor, christi. >> renee marsh, thank you so much for the update. we appreciate it. >> the important question here now as renee said stay eight. are investigators any closer to solving this mystery. mystery is the right way to describe this. no one knows. a lot of it is speculation. let us bring in the former inspector general. >> mary, we have gotten confirmation here at cnn. we had witnesses from our organization who saw people going into the home of the captain who is piloting this or near that area. what specifically would they be looking for and why would would we be in day eight before that happened? >> there is no excuse for it being in day eight before that happens. i can tell you in my experience in working on the 9/11 cases, anyone on the plane was considered a suspect in the beginning.
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they searched everyone's back ground. they looked at every single person immediately. of course, that is the fbi doing it. a very experienced organization. all resources of the united states were put on that. for them to wait this long and looking into the pilots' home is inexcusable. they have to look for signs of terrorism organizations, but medical and psychological and personal and financial issues and problems. on the silk air pilot, they analyzed his bank accounts. in this case, if the data that is coming out now is correct of how the plane was flown after, of course, it turned, it wasn't flown very well. so this, in fact, they might be searching his apartment to rule him out. he had more experience than u.s. airliner captains. if it is a situation where the pilot himself diverted the plane, it would not be
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characteristic of his flying skills. he has 18,000 hours. they have to look for anything. >> you know, day four of the mystery, ronald noble, the secretary-general of interpol, the more information we get, the more inclined we conclude it is not a terrorist incident. we have from the malaysian prime minister with a deliberate act. now we know it is conclusive of a hijacking. now we know where the rough neighborhood where it is with kazakhstan and turkmenistan. >> i think that is a mistake to relate it to terrorism. there are issues relating to the flight. the scenario as of yesterday, the hijacked crew would have had to go into the belly of the plane and disable equipment. they were talking about that
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being done in the cockpit. the door does back in the passenger cabin. we know passengers will fight back. there were brave souls on 9/11. you know you have to fight back. if they boarded the plane was knives and pepper spray, et cetera, as in 9/11, and they came to the belly of the plane, they would have had 237 people would be fighting them. so the crew has to be much larger than what they said if this is their scenario and they went in the belly of the plane and turned stuff off. they have to have one or two in the cockpit. a boeing engineer. some of the stuff doesn't ring tr true. if that is a theory, that is a large hijack crew. >> something is askew or
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nefarious. somebody would not have turned off all of these systems and done so in the secession that they did that they were not all done at once. are you surprised at this point if terrorism is involved that we have not heard from any terrorist group claiming responsibility? >> no, i'm not surprised we have not heard from my group claiming responsibility. i'm surprised that the united states intelligence community because where the logical places for the groups to be are also where we have the most number of satellites trained and most number of intelligence operations going on and where we have the most number of eyes in the sky is where we say the plane that's go. remember, we can read the license plate on osama bin laden's driver's car from satellite. i am extremely surprised i guess is the right word, if the plane it fly seven hours to where we think it might have gone, united
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states of america has a lot of explaining to do to the intelligence community. >> mary sciavo, former secretary-general of the transportation division. thank you. the ever changing details of the malaysia airlines investigation. it brings the myriad of emotions and questions for the families of the passengers. >> despite the news of the possible hijacking that we are now hearing that word used from officials today based on reports from the ap, we will hear why some family members say listen, i'm not giving up yet. i have a lot of hope here. and president obama is getting regular briefings on the missing plane's search. we will go live to the white house as well. stay with us. [ female announcer ] a classic macaroni & cheese from stouffer's starts with freshly-made pasta, and 100% real cheddar cheese. but what makes stouffer's mac n' cheese best of all. that moment you enjoy it at home. stouffer's. made with care for you or your family.
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changes is torture. >> you have the fears of what they are going through if it was a hijack or if it went down. cnn's pauline cho is live with us. pauline, good morning. what are you hearing about the families and the information they are receiving? >> reporter: good morning, christi and victor. good evening from beijing where many relatives are staying in the hotel behind me. this has been a week of immense anguish for them, but the latest developments that came out today actually give them a very small dose of optimism. that's because there is no evidence that the plane has actually made impact on land or at sea. earlier today, i spoke with a man named mr. li. his only son, 31-year-old son,
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was on the malaysia airline flight coming back from malaysia after working there for four months. he was on a little stint there. mr. li says his tears have run dry because of the situation. he was at the press conference earlier today that the prime minister of malaysia had given. he was here in beijing watching a live feed of the press conference. we spoke with him after that. he said this is where he is emotionally and psychologically. here is his perspective today. >> translator: i hope this is a hijacking because they are of loved ones. i hope that they are alive no matter how small the chance is. i haven't slept for days. we are grateful for the help from so many countries. >> reporter: and there are more than 14 countries involved in this search and rescue effort. imagine what he said. the best possible case scenario
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for him right now is that this is a hijacking situation. that shows what kind of emotional and psychological hoops these relatives are going through. i also asked mr. li about what he thinks of the focus of the search. the two new corridors that we have been talking about from the borders of kazakhstan and turkmenistan and from the indonesia and indian ocean. he says that is all technical to him. all he wants now are answers. christi and victor. >> pauline chiu, thank you so much. a lot of people are wond wondering how closely is president obama following the situation? we will go live to the white house to see how the administration is responding. and pushing on the crisis in ukraine. find out what the administration is doing on the eve of a crucial vote in the crimean peninsula.
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>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> we are getting new developments here in the situation in the ukraine and the fight for crimea. if we can call it that here. we are understanding that ukraine's parliament just pass a resolution and a vote taken in kiev to take away the powers of the autonomous powers of crimea. what you are saying as the parliament of crimea, we are not recognizing it. >> that comes in the context of tomorrow's vote. the people on the peninsula of
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crimea will vote to determine if they will join russia. of course, it is a foregone conclusion that that will pass and they want to join russia. the u.s., of course, and president obama has said there will be consequences if this moves forward. let's go to the white house and erin mcpike. >> reporter: victor, secretary of state john kerry is returning to washington, d.c. later this afternoon. he has had hours of meetings with russian foreign minister lavrov. the two did not make any real progress. lavrov told kerry he will wait and see what russian president vladimir putin does tomorrow after this referendum takes place. how does putin respond and then the white house and united states will make a decision on how they respond after that. >> okay. let's switch gears here if we can quickly to what is happening in the search for the missing
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aircraft. malaysia airline 370. how closely is the president? we know he is paying attention to it, but what updates is he getting and what is he prepared to do if the u.s. steps into this? >> reporter: well president obama has gotten briefings on this. obviously there is intense u.s. involvement because of the search. here is what jay carney said yesterday. >> any thoughts on what's happening? has he been watching this? >> he is fully aware of it and has been briefed on it. he knows where things stand. he, too, is very concerned about the suffering of the families have to endure in a situation like this and very concerned about the whereabouts of the plane. >> reporter: and the white house will continue to brief president obama on this as well, christi and victor. >> of course, the three americans on mh-370 as well. erin mcpike, thank you so much.
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searchers searching for answers in the citiesdisappeara from the flight. we heard from the prime minister of malaysia saying the flight crew and passengers are the key to this now. he admits hijacking is one possibility. saying this was, he believes, a deliberate act. we will get back to that and look more at where we go from here. stay close. mark was 17 when he stunned the world when he beat stefan edberg which marked a moment in his career. >> you got to number two, but not quite the number one spot from samparas guy. >> if he had beaten pete when he threw up, i would have been number one. i'm still upset about that one.
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airline. things have shifted dramatically after the malaysia prime minister suggested hijacking and a deliberate act. now the investigation is focused on the crew members and the passengers. >> the search area, too, is focused on this new map. this is one you haven't seen when you went to bed last night. it was totally different. the first corridor, the red area there with the circle. that whole area is what they are looking at. it is so expansive as far north as kazakhstan and south as southern indian ocean. this larger search is not sitting well with chinese officials. they are demanding malaysia provide more information at this point. they are concerned about the fate of flight 370. they are running rampant. the theories. if you have gone online and
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talked to friends and family. you have heard wild ideas. >> despite the massive search answering these questions this morning, the answers are few and far between. it leads to more speculation out there. let's get some experts in here to talk about what we know and what we can glean from what we learned from the prime minister. we have former ntsb john. we have the map. i'm sure you have seen it. let's put the map back up, guys. we have the two corridors. one who is looking at this compared to the large circle we saw yesterday and the search of the south china sea could say, simply, just fly along that line and you will find something. but that would be incorrect because i want you to give us an idea of the breadth of this. this is not just a flight path one can follow. how broad, how wide? john, let's start with you.
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>> the possible path of the airplane is huge. many thousands of miles. when you are out in an area where there is no radar coverage, you could be anywhere within that circle. that 4,000 mile circle. it really is -- if they wanted to keep this airplane from being found, that's the section they head for. south. if they wanted this airplane to use it for some other illegal activity, then i would say they would be heading north toward countries where they could take this airplane and use it for something else. but if the airplane gets on the ground and the u.s. government sees it through satellites or other means, they will take the airplane out. >> doug, i want to ask you something. there is a bit of contradictory information out there based on what we heard. one of the big pieces of information is this transponder was deliberately shutoff.
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we heard from the malaysian prime minister razak, he said we can confirm the primary contact was mh-370. we can say this is a deliberate action. they know the pings they were getting from the airplane. if the transponder is turned off, how would you know that? >> some of us may have speculated on before. i understand why they are doing that the way they are releasing information when they are sure of what they have got. i think in these circumstances, what the prime minister described was a series of deliberate acts. first of all, the a-car system was switched off. we know from early days, the
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transponder, was switched off. unfortunately, for these people, if they were trying to hide, they did that too early. the airplane was still tracked on primary radar, which indicated it was still flying. then we go to the ping system, the communication system, which is very, very basic from the airplane. actually meant to be a maintenance system. that is being received or was received by satellites. going back through the data that they had, they looked at radar recordings and they now traced where they saw a primary radar return. they correlated it now with the responses they had from the satellite and from the basic information from the airplane and they have come up now with the theory that the airplane turned back and went west. it was probably deliberately flown and may well have been deliberately flown to never have been found. >> john, i want to get your thoughts on reporting from cnn's
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barbara starr. she spoke with the u.s. official who told her there were some erratic changes in elevation on this flight. climbing to 40,000 feet or 45,000 feet and then dropping to 25,000 feet. going so high and changes would render passengers and crew unconscious. when you learn about those changes, what does that tell you? >> the changes initially would say that whoever is trying to fly that airplane is not doing a very good job of it. i will tell you the airplane is capable of going up into the 40,000-foot altitude and higher. absent any hole in the airplane at that altitude, the passengers would not be incapacitated. the cabin pressure system on modern airlines is meant to maintain a cabin altitude of less than 8,000 feet. that is the altitude that most
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human beings, especially those of us like me out of shape, can still breathe normally. you know, we have people in the himalayans that can go up in the 20,000 feet without oxygen. so the average is 8,000 feet of a cabin. if the airplane climbs up into the 40s, it might climb to 10,000 feet or 11,000 feet. it doesn't mean you have 30 seconds to live, but you will go to sleep. you have time. it goes up quickly and comes back down, that is not going to be an issue. the airplane will maintain its integrity. except the distance the 40,000 feet back down in which the speed the radar indicates he did that, could mean the airplane went super sonic and pieces will start breaking off the airplane. the primary radar data tends to be inaccurate especially when you are at great distances from the transmitter. we have to view that with a very
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big grain of salt. >> even with a grain of salt and let's say we get something that supports that further, you would credit that to a novice flying the plane, not a tactic to get control and incapacitate the 239 people on the plane? >> assuming he has incapacitated people in the cockpit and attempt to bust through the cockpit door, you may want to take action like that to keep them away from it. you may remember in the 9/11 attacks on the airplane that crashed in pennsylvania, that that was a tactic the hijackers used by purposely porpoising the airplane. people were bouncing around in back so they cannot get control.
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we cannot rule any of that out. it is all tactics. >> few things are being ruled out as we now learn. day eight and new facts about the investigation. john and doug, thank you so much for joining us this morning. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you, gentlemen. we will have so much more on missing flight 370 ahead. even though the boeing 777 lost radar contact. it still sent pings to an orb orbiting satellite. it did that for hours. that is dramatically changing the search this morning. salesperson #1: the real deal's the passat tdi clean diesel gets up to 795 highway miles per tank. salesperson #2: actually, we're throwing in a $1,000 fuel reward card. we've never done that. that's why there's never been a better time to buy a passat tdi clean diesel.
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there have been so many twists and turns and changes in this search for malaysia airline flight 370. >> and some big ones overnight, too. so-called handshake between the plane and satellite in orbit may now give us some of the biggest clues as to where the boeing 777 has gone and it is expanding the search area as far north as kazakhstan and as far south as the southern indian ocean. that is what they are saying now. this is huge. we will go to cnn's tom forman now to see how we better understand it. hi, tom. >> reporter: hey, christi and victor. how did the officials work together to figure out where the plane went after it was lost. they reversed a process that has been around for a long time since people sailed ships and
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figured out the stars. we know where the plane disappeared at the end of this road as it left kuala lumpur. we know the initial search area was here and search areas here and here. now it is expanded out to the bay of bengal and the indian ocean. what was the star that they looked at to figure out that it might be out here? wasn't a star at all. a man made star. a geostationary satellite. this sails over the same time once an hour, it sends a signal to airplanes that it is trying to communicate with asking are you there? it is called a ping or an electronic handshake. it has a general idea the plane is there and which arc of the earth it is traveling along. it is not meant to locate the plane, but it repeated this
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process five times after the plane disappeared. because the plane answered the handshake, each time, each hour, that's what makes them believe the plane kept flying for five hours. you piece together that and you get an idea of where it was when it was pinged again or the handshake offered again and there was no answer. with no answer down here, the satellite knows now something has gone wrong. if you put all that together, and you basically do the simple trigonometry involved, that is why officials are searching so hard up there and down here. christi and victor. >> thank you, tom foreman, we appreciate it. coming up on "new day," the search by air and by sea and the southern corridor and the search at the home of the captain
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in question. as of this morning, it has grown larger. what they have been doing with the satellites is taking photos of the area of the vast amounts of ocean and open sea out there. they are making the photos public on this web site. you can go in as a user and look through them one by one. you can tag them. you tag things you think may be of interest to them. then what happens on their end is they have an algorithym. the same thing gets tagged and the more that photo pops up in terms of importance to go back and say this photo has been tagged 100,000 times. maybe this piece of information in this photo is something important. >> brett, for a few days, maybe not now on day eight, but the first several days, relatives of those who are passengers on 370 were saying the cell phones when
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they called those numbers, they were ringing. first question, how is that possible? second, was there ever a possibility that those cell phones could have been used to track the plane? >> you know, i'll answer the second question first. when the cell phones are over land and near a cell phone tower, they can be used to track. you can go by based on where the location of the actual cell phone tower. when you pick up your phone to make a call, it will ping a couple of towers to see which one is closest and provide the strongest signal. in less urban areas and rural areas, that may only be one cell tower and it may be hundreds of miles until the next cell tower comes up. you can still get an idea of where that person might be. they call it triangulation to see where someone is. the cell phones ringing is a sad story to hear that when you pick up the phone. when you pick up the phone and call someone, that ring back you
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are hearing is actually generated by the cell phone company or carrier. it is sending that signal back, that ringing sound we are familiar with. it is doing that while it is actually looking for the cell phone. it does that so you don't just hear this long amount of silence while it tries to connect you to that phone. it is a sad thing in this situation because it gives false hope. the phone keeps ringing. they must be there. that ring can lead to a click over and more ringing. the phone is in another country, i'll hand you off to that cell system and it will try to find the phone. >> the family members waiting for someone to pick up. brett larson, thank you for helping us understand this. >> thanks for having me this morning. >> we'll be back. ♪
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the best place to party that i like is at bb king's. this is bb's first bar. a lot of musicians have rolled through here. don't be a fool. you want good music, come to memphis, tennessee. thank you very much. let's get you caught up on the search for the missing malaysia airline flight 370. overnight, a major shift in the story line here. the prime minister calls this now a deliberate act and suggesting a hijacking is a possibility. of course, as the prime minister says the investigation is now shifting once again to the crew members and the passengers. we also learned that police have searched the home of one of the missing plane's pilots. >> the search area, this is the other thing that shifted last night. focusing on two new corridors here. you see that red line there, it shows you how expansive the area is. the first is extending as far
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north as kazakhstan. the second as far south as the southern indian ocean which opens up this whole thing wider. we will have so much more for you at 10:00 when we see you back here on this particular issue. >> now we hand it over to michael smerconish in new york. good morning. i'm michael smerconish. i want to know why we don't have real-time transmission from cockpits. you will hear from a pilot who says that is an invasion of privacy. and wait until you hear the building where sting and denzel washington reside. i did not find that between two ferns interview funny. and first, the mystery of the decade if not the century. primarily because of the intrigue surrounding the flight transponder.
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the prime minister of malaysia confirmed the aircraft communication system had been deliberately switched off midflight by someone on that plane. then kept flying for another seven hours. could all of this uncertainty have been avoided? this week, i had a call to my radio program from a truck driver. he was making his way through tennessee. he said to me that his employer knew of his whereabouts at all times and could monitor his rate of speed and fuel mileage and engine function. they had one camera monitoring traffic in front of him and another with the eye trained on the inside of his cab. yet, we're one week after the disappearance of flight 370 still not knowing about the passenger airplane with 239 people onboard. investigators won't know what caused the disappearance until they recover the black box. we were in this position five years ago when air france 447 crashed into the atlantic.
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then, it took two years to retrieve the black box and figure out what happened. why are we looking for a needle in the haystack? why isn't black box data transmitted in real-time? it is true air disasters are rare and black boxes can store enormous amounts of data cheaply. what are the financial costs in a tragedy such as this place itself out in malaysia? you know, back when air france crashed, i wrote a column that is more compelling today. i said then, drivers today don't make a move without receiving instruction from the gps. kids communicate face-to-face from ichats, we buy music on our cell phones. why did hundreds of investigators spend so much time combing the atlantic ocean for air france 447's black box
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detailing items from the altitude and air speed in for what? the equivalent of a cassette tape in the age of ipod. we talked about the technological capability being there, but missing is the support of the union that represents many pilots. the ntsb has gone for cockpit reporters. the pilots are opposed and it expands on the argument. digital flight data reporters and the cockpit reportings have the tools to determine accidents. video images would add nothing of real value to the investigative process and could due to the nature, actually lead investigators down the wrong path. i disagree. i'm not saying we should rely
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only on satellite transmission of video, but such data should be used in addition to everything else. such video would have been value when investigators looked at trash crash of twa 800. three years later, egypt air 990 crashed off nantucket. and air france and now malaysia airline flight 370. if a truck driver hauling a load in tennessee is monitored, it is not too much to ask we do likewise with those entrusted with our lives. i want to talk about all of this with dan gorda. he has been a commercial pilot for 13 years. dan, you are opposed to having cockpit video streamed in real-time. what is it i'm missing? >> good morning, michael. thanks for having me. the issue is not just related to privacy, the bigger issue is we are trying to correlate getting
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answers with aviation safety. they don't always go together. i agree with the airline pilots association comments of the nature of the data probably out weighs any investigation. the information in the recorder is objective. it is relatively factual. >> how would video be subjective in nature? you know, it strikes me like the convenience store that has cameras monitoring employees and all of their customers and if bad stuff doesn't happen, those tapes are erased. nobody's privacy is violated. i guess i'm advocating a system where if nothing untoward happens on the flight, nobody sees the video that comes from it. >> i think that is a reasonable point of view. my issue is this. when i say subjective, think what would happen is you will have experts and so-called
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experts parsing that video trying to read body language and hands and gestures. i think the conclusions will be drawn based on that data in part rather than solely on the objective data from the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder. the issue that i have aside from the subjective nature of a video is that it will fundamentally alter if not destroy the dynamic the two pilots have with the flight deck. most people when they go to work on a monday morning, they go to work with the same people they are used to seeing. when i show up at the gate, it is likely i never met the person i am flying with. we have a very limited time and ability to develop a rapport. >> in other words, the folks who are putting together the cnn program on this saturday morning are the same here last saturday and we're building a rapport
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with one another. in your case. it is different. you walk into the cockpit not knowing until that time with whom you will be flying the plane. you are saying there is chitchat that takes place and i don't mean to minimize it, it may be politically incorrect because you are just getting to know each other? >> when we walk into the airplane together, the only thing is common is we have worked for the same airline. if you don't get to know a bit about somebody personally, it is difficult to understand who they are as a person and work better with them if a pressure situation were to arise. now, if we're unable to have that conversation without knowing there is a camera and red light recording every word we say, i think that people are going to have a more difficult time building that rapport and relationship. for better or worse, people care what other people think about them and cameras can be
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intimidating just by their nature. >> dan, you know this story continues to change by the hour and in the overnight. we are reporting on cnn about the malaysia prime minister and new developments that suggest perhaps that flight had been airborne for much longer than we initially believed. as we read the tea leaves, does this sound like an airplane flying manned or unmanned? at control of a pilot or not control of the pilot for many hours? >> i think that is a complicated question. when it departed kuala lumpur, it was under control of the pilot. i firmly believe the first turn to the west was commanded by somebody in that flight deck. now, is there a branch point after that. we don't know what happened as that airplane proceeded to the west. whether it was still manned or unmanned or a combination of issues. a confluence that came together. we don't know that. rather than rush to judgment on that, i think we want to wait
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and try to get as much objective information and data as we can. >> final question for you, if i might. of what significance to you place in the fact that the times of the other outlets reporting of the altitude climbing above 40,000 feet for a 777? >> if i look at that, i look at a plane flying straight and level and the pilot disengaged. it will fly level for a period of time. as it burns fuel, the trim at the time the pilot disengaged, that plane is lighter and it will not climb anymore. it will not produce lift and produce ossilation. at some point the airplane would
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climb and unable to climb at some point. i believe that to be a reasonable scenario for the fluctuati fluctuation. >> dan, thank you for your time today. the interrogation of suspected terrorists and public feud that may keep americans from learning the truth. are you still sleeping? just wanted to check and make sure that we were on schedule. the first technology of its kind... mom and dad, i have great news. is now providing answers families need. siemens. answers. but when we start worrying about tomorrow, we miss out on the things that matter today.
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sparked what some are calling a constitutional crisis. you have the cia on the other side and the intelligence committee each accusing each other of hacking computers. the cia trying to sand bag the probe whose finding run 6,000 pages. the cia want to know how the committee got its hands of the version of the review. phillip mudd is the former deputy director of the center. your name would be all over that report. do you want it released? >> yeah, i think it should be released. i think there should be a couple of rules how we release it. the report should be bipartisan. if the cia has rebuttal, i think we ought to allow that to be released at the same time. those of us who have names or titles in there, it will be a tough time. this is important for the american people to understand
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this era in american politics and war on terror. if this happens, i think it is okay. >> when you say it will be hard for the american people to interpret, are you really saying it is difficult through 2014 lenses to evaluate the conduct of you and your colleagues in the post-9/11 world? >> i think there are things the american public will have a hard time interpreting it. the report is one picture of the story. people like me weren't interviewed. i gather they looked at documents, which is their right. i'm not sure how much of a sliver this represents. there is one piece we have to remember. that is as time goes on, history can remember the facts, history cannot remember the feeling of sitting at that table every night in 2002 and 2003 and saying what's going to happen tomorrow and how do we find out
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what al qaeda is up to? >> i'm glad you are bringing up the human dynamic from your perspective. i wonder what ran through your mind in that era as you were sending detainees to cia prison and cia black sites. >> boy, i remember a couple of things. this story for me is hard to remember. i remember one thing that we spoke about in the office. that is what we call the end game. we had detainees. we held those detainees not because we were jailors, but we wanted to understand what they knew about al qaeda. we knew there would be a reckoning and we would be vilified. we knew this day would happen. the second thing we knew is sitting there every night, i drove down from the cia headquarters from langley to my house on the gw parkway. in those days, the new york times was carrying the faces of the fallen. i said what if we miss something and a child grows up without a parent because we did not do
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everything we could. before you throw a stone, you better try to remember, it was tough. >> mr. mudd, you written a book called takedown, inside the hunt for al qaeda. was the white house and the congress in the loop every step of the way? >> sure. we went to the white house and said, are these steps appropriate? that has been well documented. i know there are disputes about the congress. i was among those who went to talk to members of congress and told them not only we were holding prisoners, but describe the techniques we were using. also, remember, we referred this to the department of justice and said we respond and report to those who create the laws of the land. including the constitution. does this accord with the laws of the land? the answer we got from the congress and department of justice, this accords with the law of the land. this is not torture.
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this is acceptable. >> did the techniques work? did you get the information you were looking for? >> sure, i think this will be the subject of debate. those who say it didn't work -- let me ask you a question. we didn't try other options. we don't know if other options would have worked. over time, we took millions of bits of information we did not acquire. intercepts of al qaeda. we took other information from foreign security services and we matched up with what detainees said. when we matched that up, we knew we were on the track with the detainee. we did not take their word for it, we took their word after we established they were being truthful. when i started receiving that information in the spring of 2002 with the first detainee, that information was gold. it helped us understand an adversary that we did not understand beforehand. >> final question. it would seem like this dispute
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centers on the fact that the cia realizes that an internal review of the policies got into the hands of the senate intelligence committee investigators. briefly, how should this dispute be resolved? >> it should not be resolved through courts and references to the department of justice suggesting that somebody in the congress did something wrong. i know some of the people involved from the side. let me be clear, they are being attacked. these are great people. these officers are work with, "a" plus. they are terrific. once you get into the beltway, you enter a snake pit. you make decisions that sometimes with the passage of time, seem like choices you would not make in an environment that is a little less intense. step back, take a deep breath. let these reports come out. if the congress wants to come out with a report to attack the cia, as long as it is biparti n bipartisan, that is okay.
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>> philip mudd, thank you for your time. we appreciate it. stick around for more on the flight 370 mystery. the newest theories and our headlines redefined. ♪ nt h the choice is yours. chalky... not chalky. temporary... 24 hour. lots of tablets... one pill. you decide. prevent acid with prevacid 24hr. i've quit for 75 days. 15 days, but not in a row. for the first time, you can use nicorette... even if you slip up... so you can reach your goal. [ male announcer ] now, quit on your own terms with nicorette or nicoderm cq.
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the story from newjersey.com. blocking dad from delivery room is first in nation. here is how i would write it. common law. not real law. it is a case of first impression. very interesting facts. unmarried couple in new jersey, conceive a child, and then become engaged and break off the engageme engagement. as the delivery date is a approaching, the father said i want to be in the delivery room when you give birth to our child. mom says no. this is stressful and high risk pregnancy. i don't want you in the delivery room. they go to court. the judge in the case is judge muhammad. he rules for mom. this is the opinion i had the opportunity to read. i thought it was a very thoughtful and analytical and precise opinion on the matter where there wasn't much case law on the subject. i said why do i know the name
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judge muhammad. he is the individual who was appointed by governor chris christie amid cries if christie put this muslim on the bench, he may be opposed to real law. christie is getting beat up recently. he gets a pat on the back for appointing this guy. he said that is crap. chris christie was right. judge muhammad wrote a terrific machine in this case. nora, give me another one. this one. from "usa today." drug company changes course. gives drug to sick boy. here is the way i would have written it. drug company, no match for social media. i know you heard about this one. it involving a 7-year-old josh hardy. he needed life-saving medication. that medication was in the hands of a drug company and initially the drug company was reluctant to give it to josh. they really got hammered.
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the drug company did online for the initial refusal to give it to the 7-year-old boy. in the end, good outcome. he got the medicine. we wish josh god speed. the drug company didn't deserve the black eye along the way. i chatted with this case with the nation's professor at nyu. he said what people missed in the case is the goal of the drug company is to protect the other joshes. the drug company's objective is to complete clinical trials to allow the medication to get to market and they are concerned evaluating in this case would slow the process and hinder their ability to help other kids. as i say, good outcome and we hope that josh is now doing much better. my read is week is on the flight 370 mystery. it is a very real possibility it will never been solved. stand by for the newest twist in
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sometimes the crash site is never found. that's the first line of an article at cnn.com that grabbed my attention this week as the flight 370 mystery unfolded. sylvia, you say the search for the 777 is like searching for a 500,000 pound needle in a haystack. take a look at this. the flight path may have been extended north to kazakhstan and as far south as the southern indian ocean. are chances of finding this plane diminishing by the hour? >> it would seem so. experts i talked to said you hope i i
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