the world where some of the extremist groups have political and ethnic struggles with the governments of china and the west. i'm jim sciutto in new york, and the coverage of the mystery of missing flight mh 370 continues. >> thank you, jim sciutto. i want to begin with the breaking news here in the news of the missing flight mh 370. barbara starr is saying that the focus of those in the cockpit are being responsible for the deliberate missing jet. and now an official is telling us that the focus is now in the southern indian ocean. look at this, and this is as abc news is reporting that the abrupt left turn off of the original flight plan was preprogrammed and raising a lot of questions tonight about whether that was a rogue pilot or hijacker in the cockpit. i want to get straight to cnn barbara starr who is working her sources snonstop on othis story,

and a lot of significant detail the thes. and first, those in the cockpit being deliberately responsible, and what can you tell us now? >> well, don, the thing that that we have to say is that these are working theories and hypothesis, and actions and not enough data to come to the absolute conclusions. i have talked to a number of u.s. officials who tell me that in particular one official says that they are focusing on the theory that those in the cockpit were responsible for the deliberate act that took this plane down. how did they come to this conclusion? it is either the pilot or the co-pilot or both, and that they do not know, but it does start with the left-hand turn. what this official is telling me is that the plane came out of kuala lumpur, and it was handed off by kuala lumpur air traffic contr control. at that point, before vietnam's air traffic control picked it

up, the cockpit, the plane made a left-hand turn, a very deliberate left-hand turn, and preprogrammed ort not, and may not be totally relevant, but they made a deliberate left-hand turn, and the official telling me between two air traffic control jurisdictions, and the perfect place to begin to disappear, and that is the first step. the plane then flew out of into the indian ocean. so why do they say that the ones in the cockpit and not a hijack er er in the passenger cabin, but the theory is that if it were a passenger who emerged into the passenger group to get into the cockpit, in the post 9/11 world, those passengers would have revolt issed and tried to stop them, and tried to have gotten into the cockpit, and what was the reason that the passengers stayed in their seats, and stayed calm by all accounts for the five or more hours that the

plane kopted to fly? they had the theory is that why did they stay in their seats? because they had some kind of voice message, if you will, over the voice system from the crew, from the pilot, the co-pilot telling them that everything is fine, and maybe saying that they were going to be diverted to another airport or something like that until the plane most likely they say flew into the southern indian ocean. it is a key question here. and not enough data to come to the conclusion, but those passengers by all accounts most likely stayed in their seat. why did they do that? they certainly didn't think that a hijacking was going on from a passenger in the cabin that suddenly got out of their seat. don? >> and very interesting, and maybe did not know and they thought that all things were fine on the plane, and they didn't know that anything was wrong, but also, you are right, barbara, when you say that it is the perfect place, and just before vietnamese air space, they turned everything off, and then veered off course, but here is the question, we have heard of two possible paths that the

missing jet could have taken and one to the north from the border of kazakhstan and turkmenistan to northern thailand and then another toward the southern indian ocean, and why are the officials now zeroing back in on the indian ocean, barbara? >> well, going back to the crucial turn between kuala lumpur and vietnam. the people who flew this route knew that they were headed north to beijing, essentially. this is a 90-degree turn to the west. they don't turn back. so, you know, if you are a passenger on the plane, you know that you are not going in the right direction, and somebody has to tell you why that is. >> right. >> so it flies to the west. it flies out into the indian ocean. the reason that they are not too c convinced in the u.s. government ant this northern track that we have shown e repeatedly even though the malaysians technical analysis show it is possible,

all of the countries in that region have significant military and radar capabilities, and they are kcompetent. they would have known of something coming across their air space. they would have had a radar s signature of an unknown aircraft. if it landed, in a large airport, and if it crashed, they would haven't seen, and the u.s. military and intelligence community have gone back over all of the radar and the satellite data from the region, and they have not found anything. and so that northern track, they are still going the look at it, but the officials are telling me that it is not first on the list. by default, they are looking again very seriously at that southern indian ocean region, don. >> and barbara starr with the breaking news. thank you very much for that and we wanted to get to barbara first, because she had a lot of developments here, and a lot of fast-moving developments. here is what we know. malaysian police searched the pilots' homes, and they were

seen leaving the home of the co-pilot carrying small shopping bags. today, with we learned that the latest words from the plane communicated "all right, good night" were said after the plane's systems were shutting down. so whatever caused this plane to disappear was happening when those words were spoken, but sti still, so many questions, and so many questions that we want to get through, and again, we wanted to start with the breaking news and what we know, but talk about the possibilities, and start here at the front of the plane. was something going on in the c cockpit between the pilot and the co-pilot? did a passenger make their way up from the back of the plane to the front of the plane into the cockpit, or were they able to somehow finagle a key mechanical system on the plane? was there a problem with one of the engines? if there was, there should have been some communication, and we would have known that by now sh, or was there a catastrophic explosion on the plane and specifically in the back in the

cargo hold where we have the lithium bat fris that we have heard so much about that helps to power the plane or something inside of the a passenger's luggage. did this plane crash into the ocean or intact, intact, somewhere did this plane was it somehow maneuvered and it landed in enemy territory? we want to explore all of those possibilities and get to the theories of what happened to flight 370. this is your saturday night mystery and the world's saturday night mystery. we will try to unravel it string by string, and piece by piece and try to figure out what happened. arthur rosenberg is an expert, and so we want to know that something happen ed ed in that cockpit, and this plane was deliberately steered in a new direction and they are looking

at the pilots. >> there is no question at this point when you look at the sequence of events beginning with the time that the plane left kuala lumpur at 12:30, it is the dead of night, and air traffic control is quiet, and there are not a lot of planes fly flying. 45 minutes out, we know from the prime minister of malaysia that the transponder was likely turned off, and the acars system was likely turned off, and now we know that okay, good night is spoken. >> and not only do we know that, jeff, but we know it is turned off in the key areas where it would not be detected and where nobody would think of anything. and first, it with tuz acars system was turned off. >> sure, sure. >> and the transponder before it gets into the vietnamese air space. could this be a pilot or terror-related or some t terror-group? >> well, we can't speck you lite about the motives right now, but we can talk about the behavior of the plane becoming increasingly clear. so it appears from the malaysian

radar returns that the plane follow followed not only a frac to the west, but a zigzag course over the andaman sea, and that is someone who is familiar with the airline flight, because they were going from weigh poiaypoin waypoint. >> they have to know, and it was preprogrammed in there? >> well, the fact is why would you do that, fly from waypoint to waypoint to slip away? perhaps you were hiding in plane site, and if a military controller was seeing the split moving across the screen, he would think that it is a standard route that the commercial airliner would fly, and now, what is stunning this morning is the prime minister of malaysia, himself, talking about the two arcs. they have been criticized for not coming forts with the data,

and today, they sent the prime minister, himself, to go before the world press to say that we have analyzed this exhaustively, and we are believing that it is firm that this is the case as helped by the united states. and if we take this as one of the bedrock facts of the case, it is highly significant and rule out any of the accident sna scenarios that you mentioned briefly. >> and the thing about it being preprogrammed and this is abc, again, abc news reporting. when you talk about the other systems turned off, can can you do that remotely or does it have to be physically turned off by the pilot and the co-pilot? >> well, you have a captain in the left and the co-pilot in the right seat and in between the two of them are the main console for aif yvionics for navigationd the transponder is two the three clicks on the turn and then it isswitched off, and the acars system, itself, would require

someone to go into the electronic bay underneath the cockpit where they sit. >> and all right. we will go over every single bit of the plane. again, this is the exact type of plane that is missing now. a triple boeing 777, and we will go e over it from front to back and from tail to front, and also from wing to wing and try to figure out exactly what happened. take you through every single scenario that could have occurred. next, more of the theories as the investigation focuses on what happened inside of the cockpit, and why some say that the passengers could have overtaken the plane, and the last communication of flight 370 was more than seven hours after the takeoff. could it have reached land? and later, what would someone have to know about the boeing 777 to take it over? 3, which would be fine if bob were a vampire. but he's not. ♪ he's an architect with two kids and a mortgage.

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our reporter barbara starr is being told that the pilots are ultima ultimately responsible for what happened to the vanished aircraft. we ar are going to go to arthur rosenberg, an investigation engineer, and also author of "extreme fear," jeff rosenberg. what does this tell you, jeff? >> well, it is a real game-changer, because people are scratching their head, because it does not make sense and it does not make sense, because we are looking at the past incidents to try to understand what is happening here. but it is so different from anything that has happened, it is a paradigm shift, and if it is as it appears that the pilot and/or the co-pilot seized control of the plane for some quote, unquote nefarious

purpose, it is going to change the psychology as 9/11 did. it is going to change the scale of the way that people think of airplane security. before, pilots were the trusted inner circle and the bedrock of which the security apparatus operated and there was a latched door and dead bole, and if these people are responsible for the act, and they have the safety of the people in their hand, we will not look at the pilots the same way, and trust them like we did before. >> that is is a big statement that you are making there. >> well, it is based on the way -- >> appears to go in the way it is going? >> yes. and what happened in the kuala lumpur, and the prime minister coming out to say that the plane flew for at least seven hours, that is not an accident, but it was an intentional act. >> and evi, the officials have said that among the things that are being considered is whether or not, again, the pilots had anything to do with it, but also was there a passenger or

passengers somehow involved in this, and the passenger getting into the cockpit or the passenger able to get to finagle some key mechanical system that is behind or in front of the cockpit door. >> well, what is disturbing about this incident is that we should have been analyzing and assessing the passengers from die one. when you do an investigation like this, you want to look at the plane, and the individuals who have the stolen passports, but in tandem, a forensic por ral -- forensic analysis of all of the passengers. you want to do an assessment on the passengers as well. >> do we know that it was not done from the beginning? it appears that it was not done, but do we know for sure? well, it looks that way, because everybody was steered to mechanical, technical, and nobody wanted to talk about this in the beginning sglcht and you are right. everybody said it appears to be a catastrophic mechanical failure, and something happened

on the plane, to the mechanical system. >> and interpol said that we don't believe that there is anything nefarious going on, and nothing terrorist-hijacking related. >> and how would it behoove or what would have a pilot or co-pilot have to gain by steering it to someplace else, and asking, are they somehow involved in a terror group? i am putting the question out there. >> well, first to do a takeoff on what you said. there were 239 reasons on that airplane that should have been investigated from day one. you have the pilot and the co-pilot now which are the prime suspects in the great mystery, and another 237 people behind them of which two we knew were traveling with fraudulent passports and i p put this out here for discussion, and no accusations, but malaysia was the source of two of the 9/11 hijackers, and they left malaysia, and they went to san francisco. i think that, again, this is just my personal view.

i think that malaysian government is with if extre -- with the extremely sensitive to postulating it is a te errorist attack. >> yes. and we got this model from the conversation yesterday as we talked about the lithium batteries in the cargo hold, and also helps to power the plane. and so, takes through that and what are the possibilities of that, because they are dealing towards the pilots, but still, we don't know what happened. >> we know it was not a lithium ion battery fire, because it went some 2200 miles. >> yes, agreed. >> and with this information we got today from the prime minister, which is what we talked about yesterday, it certainly looks like this is a deliberate intentional action and a plan from the moment that this plane took off from kuala lumpur, and it was well conceived and executed at the exact moment of the handoff between the malaysian controller and the vietnam controller who

to this point in time, i don't know if they have ever reported that they made contact with the airplane, and what did they do? they made a u-turn in the air, and headed back south is west. but to answer your question, the lithium batteries would be in the cargo hold of the airplane, which would be in the area here. >> this camera right in front of you. >> okay. and this cargo bay in this plane is enormous, and so we don't know exactly where they were, and the lithium batteries that are used to provide electrical power are towards the back end of the airplane, and the electrical power is provided and multiple redundancy this the airplane, and more than one generator on each engine, and in addition to the generators, there is something called the apu in the back of the airplane, an auxiliary power unit to be used to generate electricity for the airplane, and if that is not available, that i have a lithium battery and if that does not

work they have a r.a.t., which is a random airstream transmission that will generate electrici electricity. >> okay. we will talk a lot more about this and what could have happened on the plane, and also the possibility of this landing someplace intact, and we talked about the noise yesterday of the engines and you are saying with the new engine, it is entirely possible. more on this, the last commu communication from the jet came from, came more than seven hours after the takeoff and could it have reached land? that is the question, and plus an investigation focuses on the deliberate act inside of the cockp cockpit. was it a rogue pilot or hijacker? more on the breaking news shortly after the break.

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back now no the breaking news coverage in the search is of the missing malaysian jet airliner that went missing more than a week ago. barbara starr learned that the pilots in the malaysian flight are deliberately responsible for what happened there. and investigators are zeroing in on the indian ocean. and one scenario remains, that the plane may have flown in this pattern, northwest ore northern china into central asia. i want to bring in jim sciutto, because he has been doing amazing coverage all day, and he knows the region like the back of his hand.

and much of the focus on the indian ocean, but it is possible that the plane flew anywhere, and why now the shift to western china? >> well, this arc is interesting and again, like you have said and we have said many times, we don't know who is behind this, and they are talking about the cockpit, and we don't know what motivates them, because that arc will take you up to the part of western china which is largely muslim, and there are groups of this region that wants to separate from china. that fight is violent and verged into terrorism, and just in the last several months, there was a car bombing at the chinese e em bas si right in the middle of beijing in tiananmen square, and also a knife attack at a train station where people were killed with knives and basically a suicide attack, and so you have a building of the terrorists in xinjiang and then this arc krozs

it, right. that is interesting. and now when i talk to the intel officials and people like peter bergen, and they might have the ambition, but do they have the capability? this would be a major plot. >> and can we talk about the uighurs here? i want to read something about the uighurs, because they are saying that the uighurs, this region has been under china's control since 1949 and since then it has had issues with china, and the weeg -- uighurs leader leaders. >> when you look at this region, when you get into xinjiang this is more caucasian than other people. they have caucasian features and the tradition and the history is

much more like afghanistan than china. and this is ti bet, and we have talked about the tibetan here that gets a lot of support for independence, and none in this area that have been more violent than this area. so that arc crosses that area, and just like an attack on the u.s. and the arc crossed pakistan and you said, hey, there are groups there that don't like us, and it raises questions. >> but what is in it for the pilots or the hijackers to go there? what is in it? >> well, entering the realm of speculation, and trying to get inside of their heads, but conceivably taking over a plane and use it as a later date for a target or the missile might enter into the calculus, but if the intention is to crash into the ocean, why fly for six or seven hours? you can fly for an hour and do that, but it does raise possibility of a mystery, and that is going to raise many questions, but as we have said, too early to determine what that is, but it is creating theories.

>> so good to have you here for the report, jim sciutto. and we will have more reports from malaysia on the latest of the investigation, and why the timing of the last words heard from the cockpit are a central focus of the investigation, and who said those last words? a rogue pilot or a hijacker? 175. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text. we're working deals all day. you get 10 gigabytes of data to share. what about expansion potential? add a line, anytime, for $15 a month. low dues, great terms. let's close! new at&t mobile share value plans our best value plans ever for business. i reckoreckon so.s a brewin'. reckon you gotta hotel? reckon, no.

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co-pilot and you can see the police exiting the home of the co-pilot, and official are saying that they went through the home of the pilot earlier in the day as told to cnn. we go the andrew stevens in kuala lumpur, and andrew, what are you learning and the two men? >> well, at this stage, we are getting a lot of background about the two men, don, but it is going to fit the pattern of the prime minister yesterday saying that the investigation on the ground is refocusing, refocusing on the crew and the passengers. and on the crew, the pilot and the co-pilot are going to be key. this is what we can tell you at this stage. after the prime minister had his news conference here, police then raided the homes of both the co-pilot and the pilots. one of the reporters is outside of the home of the co-pilot and they saw plain clothes mistaking away bags of documents and full of objects and we don't know what is in them at this stage, don. and likewise, we are told by the malaysian police that the raid also carried out in the pilots'

house as well. and the pilot is 53 years old, and he would be of particular interest given the developments over the last 12 hours or so, because he in his house had a flight simulator, and we have known this for some time, but the police have not actually been into the house that we are aware of until yesterday. and now we don't know what he was using that flight simulator for, and he has been described by friends as a aviation geek, and he flies model planes and examiner, and he has 18,500 hours under his belt, and senior pilot. he says that his friends are very, very enthusiastic about anything to do with the aviation. we don't know what was on the sim simulator, and yet, we don't know what sort of programs he had set up, but what i can tell you about him, from the friends, he is seen as a community member, and he works with underprivileged children and works on the environmental

issues, and he is a father of three and grandfather indeed, 53, and lives with one daughter in that house and wife, and the family are not there. >> and thank you so much. and we will get back to kuala lumpur throughout the evening. right now we want to take a close er look at the pilot and co-pilot. and richard quest joining us. richard, let me give you information here, the captain zaharie ahmad shah, 53, lives in a gated community outside of kuala lumpur, as you heard andrew say, that 18,000 the or more flying hours and joined the airline in 1981, and married with three children, and one grandchild, and supervised pilot training for malaysian airlines. and this is what we know about the co-pilot, fariq abhaw

immediate. he was in the process of transferring to the boeing 727, and he lives with his parents and siblings, and is that telling you anything? >> no, it is normal. people of culture doley later so a 27-year-old living at a home is strictly irrelevant. what it does tell me, because i know the makeup of the crew that would have been on the flight. there would have been, and that cap pain was an extremely experien experienced captain. why? because the first officer was inexperienced on the 777. and he was just transitioning, and he had spent months in the simulator learning about the 777, and now he was moving to the actual metal itself, and so he was always flying with a senior captain, a training captain. and that is what happened on the flight that i was with him. >> you flew with the first officer? >> yes, and on that occasion, we

had an extremely senior captain in the left-hand seat, and here again, you have a very senior captain, and 18,000 hours. that is way up there in terms of the number of hours. what we can deduce is with the family details and cases before where the pilots have gone awry and almost perfect family backgrounds with children, and so we can't sort of necessarily import too much from that. >> and the fact that he had a sim simulator in the house is out of the ordinary this is. >>le with, the size of the sim that he had is certainly out of the ordinary, but he he has had it for system time by all accounts, and everybody says it is because he loves the flying. and remember, he has been flying for a long time. >> okay. i want to get to eric now. >> and eric, have you heard or i should say have you heard anything about the pilot or the co-pilot that has raised some red flags, because we have been told that a simulator was taken from that house in the search?

is. >> well, the co-pilot got into hot water in 2011, because he let people into the cockpit, which he shouldn't have done, and maybe showing off and showing them around, but that is going to raise a red flag. look, it is very tough, and richard probably knows this better than me being an aviation expert to break into the cockpit. so it seems that the potential scenarios here, it is narrowed down the possibly someone on the crew, or pass bli a hijacking or the terror angle, and don, it is outrageous that it took malaysian authorities seven days to search the homes of the pilot and the co-pilot and start to show an interest in the crew. what are we doing here? that is outrageous, and seems that the malaysian government through the process of the last past eight days they have done anything they can to ignore any nefarious intentions here with the plane's disappearance here and i don't know why. >> well, we are getting

confirmation that the homes of the pilot and the co-pilot have been search and an official tells cnn that the malaysian government wanted a reason, a reason to search the homes of the pilot and the co-pilot and for several days, they have waited for 24 hours and 36 hours and they needed technical analysis collected about the radar and the satellite data to give them sufficient reason to inspect those residences. and so, i think that you are right, but the question is why couldn't that have been done, and what more reason do you need than a plane is missing? >> yes, don. absolutely. this is now an international mystery, right, and the leading story around the world, and so you would think, and i think that the alternatives here, and the possibilities have narrowed. look it was either the pilots at this point, and according to the malaysian authorities either the pilots or potentially a hijacker, and why would you not look at the crew, and it strains all credulity. >> richard? >> i know that people are

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responsibility. what's your policy? >> back now with the breaking news tonight in the disappearance of malaysia airlines flight 370. an official telling our barbara starr that the intelligence community is quote focusing on those in the cockpit of the plane. they believe that one of the people is deliberately responsible for the missing jet. could terror have been the motivation here? back with me is richard quest and also a terror analyst for cbn news. and richard, last voice in the cockpit, "all right, good night." and that was said after the transpopped ee eer or acars sys was turned off. what does that mean? >> well, it means that by the time whoever said good night or whatever, that it was under way, because the acars was disabled

as the plane went out over the eastern coast of malaysia, and the prime minister told us, and i'm giving you exactly what we know from the p.m. >> and in the haze of information do we know that the prime minister has the information correct? >> well, he was very careful in the way he put the time line. the acars disabled and the plane goes out with the last known position on the south china saeshgs and then turns to the left, and this double arc with the potential that you are now seeing with the two paths. >> erick, do you want to weigh in on this? >> well, if it is a possible r terror angle, and it is all speculation, because we don't know for sure, but it is one of the possibilities, there are a few al teternatives. you have malaysia in the past, h historically moderate, but al qaeda has been active there. in 2000, a large al qaeda summit in kuala lumpur, the malaysian

capital and the 9/11 hijackers a few of them passed through malaysia, and guys, an interesting wrinkle that nobody has been talking about, this week in new york city, there is a major terrorism trial going on in new york right now, and the trial of osama bin laden's son-in-law, and during the trial, a convicted terrorist testified that in 2001, there was an terror plot to activate a asian cell to use a shoe bomb the blast into the cockpit. and look, we don't know obviously, because that is -- >> and all of this you are talking about and the different scenarioings, and does it speak to intent to you, erick? >> well, absolutely intent. if you are a ter the errorist and you want to hijack a airplane, you have intent and a lot of things to do with the airplane. you can use it as a missile in the future, you can crash can it, and you can make a political statement, and speaking of political statements, don, we

have the uighurs in western china you were talking about in a previous segment, and these are nasty customers. we have seen the uighurs show up in guantanamo captured on the battlefield, and on the plane, the passengers were chinese it is zens and if you are the uighurs and you want to form your own state, no better way to make a plolitical statement tha to hijack a chinese filled plane. richard quest is eager to get in on this. >> well, they are all possibilities and need to be put on the table, because what changed this morning is that the prime minister saying that it is deliberate and basically going and all of the authorities concur, and one point to make on the pilots though to keep in mind that if it was one of the pilots, if, if, if, why go to all of the trouble of turning the plane around and flying it for six or seven hours in the opposite direction? you are at the helm of the thing.

egypt air. why go to all of the trouble of everything else there? so a moment there, and yes, they are on the, and a piece of the jigsaw that on the table that will be investigated. >> yes, but here's the thing. if it is a passenger, or someone on board this plane, they went to great lengths, and they were very knowledgeable about when to turn the acars system off, and when to turn the transponders off and how to hit the waypoints and how to get the point if they indeed landed this plane intact somewhere, they knew what they were doing. >> yes, but you have just with respect, gone over another -- >> i said if. >> but really -- >> well, we are all saying if, because you don't know either. >> and leave it to one side, and just talk about the actual commandeering of the aircraft. >> yes. >> and if they -- go ahead, erick. >> i didn't mean to interrupt, richard, but if it is al qaeda, and if we are talking about that possibility, they have had trained pilots in the ranks over the years, which is a potential

red flag as well. these are not guys in caves dancing around. our enemy, islamic terrorists are very sophisticated in some ways and they are not dumb guys. >> go, richard. >> something happened in the cockpit, and it was deliberate and the prime minister said that. we don't know why and we don't know who, but we know because of barbara starr's excellent reporting, they are looking at the pilots, and that is a major shift of the whole world of aviation. >> and i appreciate the expertise the. and all night long, cnn will be covering the disappearance of the disappearance of flight 370. all night we will be on the air until 11:00 p.m. eastern. and so what would somebody -- 10:00 p.m. eastern i should say. what would someone have to nkno to take the over a boeing 777?

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can you get through the cockpit from the bay? >> well, i have heard various reports and the level of the cockpit can be accessed from the inside and i have heard another report that there was an access cover that required a special screwdriver that had a special screw that had to be turned and kind of a security lock to get into the area.

>> and going back to something that we talked about earlier when we were talking about the scenario of lithium batteries and if it was, it would be in the cargo hold, but this plane is not necessarily powered or helped to be powered by lithium, but lithium batteries to be stored in the cargo hold. >> yes, and one of the viewers has commented that we need to make it absolutely clear that this airplane is not like the boeing 787 which is powered largely with the lithium batteries, but in the context that we were speaking, this plane from what we have been told had a large number of lithium batteries that were in the cargo bay of the airplane. >> and i have 10 or 15 seconds left, and we were talking about the engines being quiet to land on the to airstrip somewhere and go unnoticed, and it can because they are quiet engines you say? is. >> yes, if you compare these engines to the engines of old, the turbo engines they screamed when the planes flew over, but this plane it is going to be largely quiet and the engines

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