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all right. hello, again. i'm fredericka whitfield. an expanded search area now involving the search for flight 370. a refocused investigation, new clues now into the disappearance of the malaysian airline jet. here's what we know right now. pakistan's foreign ministry says the missing plane did not show up on its radars. it says if it had, it would have scrambled its military in response. and a top military official in india says that country has temporarily now ended its search for the police to resume
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indonesia deployments. and france is joining own the ground in malaysia sending a team to kuala lumpur right now. the search area now covers large areas of land including extremely remote regions. crews are looking along two corridors. one to the south, the other to the north reaching up to kazakhstan. satellite signals picked up for flight 370 seven hours after the contact with the pilots also being re-examined. but malaysian officials announced it is possible the last satellite contact could have come from the plane on the ground. a u.s. official intelligence is leading toward the theory they the pilots are possible. we'll talk more into the jets disappearance. andrew stevens is in while mary
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is here. and also rejoining us is jack barker, a former spokesman for the faa. andrew, bring us up-to-date on the new information that is being gathered as they continue to look for the plane or at least look for clues as to how this happened in the first place. >> we have the investigation ongoing here in malaysia into the plate. so she'll start here in malaysia and looking at the flight simulator taken from the captain of this flight. at this stage in the last two hours, we won't releasing what they have found so far. reuters are reporting this.
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a flight simulator was also found. and they are waiting for the background checks of those involved. it is moving but moving slowly. 24 hours ago. they vid owe are now looking at the timeline, and the last known contact with the pilot and the ground from where the pilot said, all right, good night, all is well, he said that after the transponders were quickly turned off. very quickly as you say, this applies to 11 countries. this is what the malaysians said
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about searching. >> the search was already a high ly complicated and has become more difficult. the search area is being individually expanded and the nature of it has changed. now we are looking at large chunks of land, crossing 11 countries as well as deep and -- to get relevant information on the tracking of any plane like the 777 they are looking for, they have to get incidesent. they are asking for satellite information, radar information, at this hour we don't know how
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much it is call ed. this is going to happen in area the area. >> those that don't involve themselves, i guess it is just as important as those who have. jack barker here in atlanta. we are hearing from the defense minister saying the search is now more difficult. and the nature of the surgery has changed. in your view based on the information that we are getting and that in court, among what things need to be ruled out of this investigation in order to,
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i guess make some real traction and ground here? >> well, the three things could have occurred. the plane crashed in the ocean, it crashed on the land or landed somewhere on land. and the idea is to try to rule out as many of those -- one or two of those. the aircraft is obviously down because it has run out of fuel, so it is down somewhere. and the question is -- where? whoever did this, they were smart enough to turn off the transponder to lose the knowledge of where the plane is. >> further compounding the bank, now they want to look more critical at land. how critical is this?
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if this airplane has been taken to become a weapon as discuss d discussed -- the time to take a plane as a weapon, it is all about how quickly can we find this aircraft? either in the water or or fighting it on land, absolutely, i would say the time urgency has certainly increased several fold now if that's -- >> when you hear that sense of urgency, we are talking about day ten in the search of the plane, and the sense of urgency in finding out what is the
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conclusion with this mystery, where did it go, but we talk about where it would go if it were to land on land in one of these theories. the urgency is easy to get to, or what else may have been planned for this plane if indeed it landed somewhere? >> if it landed safely on land somewhere, there are just a certain number of airstrips or air important, we now know it would be empty. i think there's more than one track of where it may be and one is provisioning. one is if you're going to land it and use it again, there are sing things six things that need
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to happen. when you take off again, the airplane has a lot of computers and sometimes computers take a few days, and the prime minister said it is criminal, but in any criminal investigation the most important analysis is to say, what is the motive. -- you always have to find the moti motive. and rule it out with their own pilot to look for everyone else. >> i'm wondering whether the defense ministry is celebrating and they want to know why search is going to be focused more on
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land because the arc is pretty fast. okay, i'm sorry, it looks like we lost our andrea there. so i wonder, shawn, will the russian authorities reveal more as to justifcation of now whying they are huge. >> if the aircraft did successfully land somewhere. then it is all about money, right? it is all about understanding what has been done or what can happen next. the information you're hearing from the malaysian heroes and the flight simulator is potentially a significant piece of this puzzle. i think what's really going to be interesting is to see what kind of flight profiles he has,
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and it will be inwhat we capture in that flight simulator that could go a long way to tell us where to match up. we are stale lstill waiting and that psycho for all of this. thank you for reporting to us from kual arka lumpur. in just a minute, we'll tell you how much ground we are talking about. so i deserve a small business credit card with amazing rewards. with the spark cash card from capital one,
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the search for flight 370 is so big that more than two dozen countries are taking place in the search. chad myers is here to give us an idea how big that has become. and it has grabbed the attention of the globe. everyone wants to know what happened here. >> it's because the gps that's in the airplane is not sent back to the air kratraffic control. right now we just use radar to track planes, we don't use gps. last hour we talked about this potential path or this potential path. this is not where the plane would have thrown. let me tell you how they got to that circle satellite in space that came at 8:11 a.m. a satellite insider inside the 3 370. the angle of this light coming
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up, the satellite said, oh, it must be in this circle. can't be here, so it would have been elsewhere. the plane has to be on this side of this circle. on that line right there at 8:11 a.m. then i start to eliminate things. we can eliminate this side all the way over to here because the plane couldn't get there. it is not fast enough to get there so it couldn't be over here and forget. it could be from saudi arabia. oth otherwise, you know that if we
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had another satellite in space, to see it we would have pinged another spot and would know where it is. this thing had to be somewhere -- go get it for me, will you? will we would have been some space. another satellite with a third on one. we are still looking for one more ring. >> so this is a huge colossal search. has there been a search of this magnitude given the tools in this age and day like this? >> if amelia aerhardt disease, we would have frowned iupon thi
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had the transponders not been turned off. i do believe in the heart of hearts that the company that got us this red rig in the first place probably has other pings from hours, 3:00, 4:00, 7:00. and they can tell which -- well, that am looking for the needle in the hay stack. what was the right ping? we don't want to get the wrong
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ping. we have to find the right ping. we are keeping a close eye on the watch to change the future of ukraine. the polls are now closed in crimea. so what we are expecting to see is straight ahead. and once the preliminary results come in officially as well. plan ameriprise asked people a simple question: can you keep your lifestyle in retirement? i don't want to think about the alternative. i don't even know how to answer that. i mean, no one knows how long their money is going to last. i try not to worry, but you worry. what happens when your paychecks stop? because everyone has retirement questions. ameriprise created the exclusive confident retirement approach. to get the real answers you need. start building your confident retirement today.
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a critical vote in crimea on the referendum to join russia is now over. the polls are closed and we are waiting on preliminary results. we were expected to get them an hour ago, but now nick payton walsh is live in the capital city, and russian journalist vladimir posner is live in moscow. nick, it is very noisy there with people rather victorious. what are they hopes for this vote? >> reporter: well, it is certainly loud here among the crowd with the russian flag dominant. you can see behind me because of this pretty uncontroversial exit poll you just talked about, but this will take them into the russian federation. two things can stand in their
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way, a shocker result meaning that vladimir putin accepted the diplomatic pressure against him accepting the off-ramp they are providing meaning him not to indulge the idea of crimea becoming part of russia. that's all pretty far-fetched at this point. i should point out, i'm standing in this display of jubilation and celebration around me. very well organized, well orchestrated, very polite. but i should point out, this vote is only an expected number. a severely strange climate here for a democratic process. we should point out that we have not heard the other side of the story. you normally hear two opinions
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battling the supremacy that has won here. and that would be the idea of this coming in still wet. many of them are very glad to fill their part of the russian federation. those who want to remain part of ukraine, not really getting a chance to have their opinion at home. and the tar tar is worried at what this means for them. >> if crimea has voted to join with russia, what does this mean for vladimir putin and the world stage? especially in light of the fact that the u.s. and european leaders are saying they are considering this vote to be illegitimate, illegal? >> as far as russia is concerned, it is certainly going to increase his popularity.
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the problem is i'm getting a huge echo. >> you can take the earpiece out because you know my question and then go ahead and answer the question. >> okay, that's what i'll i do. so, as i was saying, putin will be even more popular than he is today as a result of this. the vast majority of russians consider crimea to be theirs, always theirs, the fact that it was kind of slow down the river as they say, and then yeltsin was not popular. so it will strengthen his popularity. the rest of the world is not going to be happy about this and there will be sanctions. the attitude i found here to the sanctions is pretty much simple. this is our business. so it's not like a lot of people
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are frightened by what may have, although yesterday in moscow there was a large demonstration between 50,000 and 80,000 people demonstrated against russia's taking in crimea, but still that's a very small minority. >> vladimir posner, sorry for the audio complications there from moscow. appreciate your insight. and nick paton walsh, thank you so much. in the meantime, we'll talk murder about the mysterious disappearance of a flight. more scrutiny for the men flying flight 370. the latest on what investigators have found as they look at the pilots of that missing plane. ♪ [ male announcer ] nothing says, "you're my #1 copilot," like a milk-bone biscuit. ♪ say it with milk-bone.
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now back to the mystery on flight 370 that vanished with 239 people on board. their families are outraged today with the lack of investigation and answers. some are calling the officials liars, but no country seems to have a lead on where this plane is. there are, however, a lot of theories out there, like the pilots being to blame. a u.s. official tells cnn that u.s. intelligence is leaning towards that theory. and a short time ago congressman peter king said the pilots should have been the focus from the start. >> the fact that the fbi was not asked in, and these pilots, they should have been, the pilot and co-pilot should have been the focus from the start. that would be the normal investigatory procedures. the fbi could have been called to help with that or interpol. my understanding is that malaysia is not really cooperating at all. very reluctant to lay what they have out on the table. >> so could the pilots have been behind this plane's
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disappearance? the aviation analyst larry or mary schiavo is here and we have so much time in this search that investigators have fallen behind in getting to the bottom of t s this, is that true? >> the fbi did not have to be called in to go work this case because the agents that work full-time in kuala lumpur were brought in the first time the plane went missing. they were working closely with the malaysian police department. they were not in position to tell you what the radar said and the pings and the handshakes and the technical information is of what the plane took, but they are in a position to say that a senior malaysian official contacted me today for kuala
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lumpur to say that they have looked at the pilots, the other crew members, the passengers, the ground crew, technicians, they have looked at every body very closely from day one. they have had this on the table and never have taken it off the table. what's happened in the last couple of days is that the technicians based on the reporting from the people reviewing the radars and scanners and satellite information are saying that the maneuvers the plane made in turning off the communications devices had to be the work of the people. the plane was being flown by a person. so the bleep is that, yes, a pilot flew the plane, but not necessarily the pilot. >> tom, in your view, is this investigation being mishandled? >> no, i think that a great deal of the reporting isn't being handled very smoothly. and in terms of, again, the technical aspect of the
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investigation, i can't speak to that, i can speak to the law enforcement side of it, but it is extensive and intensive from day one. and all of these possible thoughts were on the table from the very beginning and were never taken off the table. so the idea that this investigation has been somehow by the police, conducted in a sequential manner, that first they are looking at this and now they are looking at that, and then the next step is here, isn't completely true. that most of the investigation, as much as possible, was being done concurrently so all the various leads were in progress together. and as far as searching the pilot's home, they needed to have additional justification in their legal system to do it. so part of this is the mischaracterization on their part. and now we have a reason to go in. when we look at that, you had a reason early on. now we have the legal justification to take that stuff. >> and john, what is your view on this?
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is this mishandled or is this a colossal event, just a huge investigation? >> as tom said, you have to take all of these in rotation, but the whole thing from the beginning, they haven't had a command center. and a command center is so necessary to coordinate everything that's being done. and if they haven't done it now, the family is in an uproar in those rooms that causes them to try to bring information and sometimes it's given too soon. i have three quick things, number one, get grief counselors to every one of those family members. if there's a group of three or four, one counselor in their nationality. not chinese counseling. get those together. we have to think about the family, because now if it's -- if it was in the water, that can standpat because the big emergency now is if they landed
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on land, then we need to really concentrate on that if that possibility is there, so it isn't launched and cause catastrophe somewhere else. and so that's hugely important. and the families would understand that if they had a counselor there. and then they get briefings every day from that particular crisis management. the other thing is, the command and control center. you have to have a command and control center, clear a hotel, put your people from each country who have the expertise, set up a ballroom that can be done easily, and then you are not going in the wrong direction there. so those are so important. and this land mass that is out there that it could have landed on, i think that's the first thing you have to look at because if they are in the water, it's a very sad thing. but if they are in the water, they are all gone. so look at that land so we don't have another accident or intentional thing. >> okay. and that third item, we're going
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pilots. in fact, they have removed the simulator from the pilot's home. now they are trying to find out if the pilot was doing a rehearsal flight plan or if there's a real investigation into flying into different kind of elements and what would this all mean. back with us, the cnn aviation analyst mary schiavo and john mcgau, and tom fuentes. before the break, john mcgaw, there are three things kind of missing thus far, especially to help ease the grieving loved ones. you say there needs to be grief counselors and a command and control center. and the third item would be what that is missing thus far? >> well, the search of the land, fredericka. it's with as much sympathy as i can say, if they are in the water, they are gone. so concentrate on the land. and each area that has
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responsibility for that land. take their ministers or whoever their lead people are and let them exclude that part of their country or that part of the land. so that you get it down to where it might be just a small area that you can then search so that you're not sitting on a possibility of it being on the land and not doing something very immediate about it. >> and now today, in fact, the malaysian defense minister says they will concentrate more now on land searches. so i wonder, mary, now with day ten of this search, trying to get to the bottom of this missing aircraft, in a case like this, who typically pays for this? we are talking about resources dumped in from 25 nations to assist in this, whether it is at land or at sea, but it seems as though the bill is going up and the money might mean why certain countries kind of remove themselves from the investigation.
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>> exactly. as far as search and rescue or search and recovery goes, the nations who perform it, for example, in our country, when the coast guard or navy goes out to do that, their budget pays for it. and from around the world, they have been called in to help, they are not usually having a credit card attached to that. so each nation pays their own and it's understandable. typically if india and pakistan thought they have nothing more to add, they searched and no radar pings, they probably feel helpless to do anything more to help. >> and tom, this is unprecedented, is it not to see these kinds of resources being poured into the mystery of this one plane of this magnitude. i mean, there's a global interest. >> no, that's true. and the problem is that without a more specific location to even look for the plane, and then the information that will come from finding the plane and the flight recorders, it really -- beyond looking at every person that had
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anything to do with that aircraft and their backgrounds, there's not a lot of things that can be done. no crime scene investigation that can be done, no recovery operation and all of that kind of is on hold until and if, i guess, the plane is actually located and the flight recorders. even then the concern is that the flight recorders, especially the cockpit voice recorder, if that's a two-hour recording loop and re-records over itself, if the possibility is that the plane stayed in the air four, five, six hours more, the part of the flight when the turning happened and the turning off of the franks ponder and the other system happened, there won't be voice coverage. you won't know what happened in the cockpit or if the plane went up or down or sideways, so that's another possibility. and there's another possible set of victims in this. the comments on the pilots and the captain who are very,
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considered very elite members of their society, we are worried, as we should be, about the families of the victims of the passengers and the flight attendants and those people being affected, but with the pilots, you have the accusation that not only are they dead and their families would be mourning their death, you have the accusation that potentially they are mass murderers and killed 240 people. >> great point. tom, john, mary, thank you very much. stick around, we'll continue this conversation. and we'll talk about the process of elimination. what needs to be ruled out as we continue to look into the search for the missing plane.
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>> it's pretty much undescribable. i just love it. i just love the competition. >> it's a feeling he wanted to share with others like himself. which is why he began working with the national wheelchair players association. >> it's not easy. i know exactly what they're going through. that's what our organization is about, getting people back into society again and out doing this. >> dr. sanjay gupta, cnn reporting. all right. we'll have much more on the investigation of this search for that missing aircraft right after this.
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welcome back authorities say they will focus their search now on land this as pakistan says it has checked it's radar and doesn't see evidence of that plane in it's air space. our analyst is back with us and john mcgaw is back with us and tom fuentes is cnn's law enforcement analyst. if a country says they don't see a plane on radar, how will they make a determination ags s to w
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land to search? >> other than the pings that we have from the satellite and they have been able to smooth out the data and get rid of the miss leading parts of the data. the other ways are to look at who and what are behind the high jacking or whatever we want to call it at this point. and that is what is so strange at this point. and that is baecause there is a erie silence. it bothers me. in the 9/11 investigation, by this time we have clues, scores of witnesses. people had seen something. people had reports things and were racing to report things and here it is silent and odd. that leaves you with few clues
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to go on other than pings. does that silence then lead you to start thinking more of catastrophic accident or does it simply say that this is such a plan that has ever i one so baffled that what an immaculate plan it turns out to be. i have never ruled out the mechanical. i still don't think we can rule that out entirely. i think what has people afraid is that the plan is so good that no information is leaking out. i think that is what people are worried about. i have never, i still i still wonder about mechanical. >> and so john, this silence that mary is speaking to, does it say to you that this is a masterful plan? does the silence say to you that there are gaping holes in the
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investigation or does it say that it is a catastrophic accident? >> it says to me that one or the two in the cockpit when i have considered everything my gutt tells me it is one of those. the other is either incapacitated or locked out of the cabin when this was going on. the key for me now, if it is a possibility that it is on land somewhere the people on the plane could still be alive. and or, if they are not, then we know where that plane is and it is not going to commit some kind of terrorist act and have those at sea, stand down. they are very, very weary at this point in looking. stand down so that, that command center can tell them better where to look. >> are you at the point of ruling out that this could be a catastrophic accident given the
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fact that deliberately the trance ponder could be ripped off? >> i don't think i'm at the point of ruling anything out. because the reliance of this not being mechanical is based on the technicians that have looked at the radar data and concluding that, that plane flew for six hours. it flew at a problem that it could stay in the air. not allow anyone on the plane to communicate with anyone on the ground. one of the things for the investigators on the law enforcement intelligence side is that they need more accurate information from the detechnicis that, that plane took. i would say let's wait until there are more experts there.
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i don't think there is anybody out there in the world that the us investigators that have looked at this data and have helped come to this conclusion that the satellite was reaching it for several hours. that arc and the distance that it went over, it could have gone down from the beginning. it could have gone through the triple canopy of the jungle down into the ground and not been visible in the air. what is driving the fact that, that is probably not what happened is again, the technician saying that the plane stayed into the air and then went north or south. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. we'll have much more on the malasia missing plane. and we also have new information
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hello again. the intensifying search for flight 370 that is our top story this hour. right now military personnel are searching vast areas of deep ocean, land and expanding 11 countries looking for any kinds of signing for that missing jet. pakistan's foreign ministry says the jet did not show up on its radars. and the times of india is reporting that india's military is saying that there is no way that the
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