visit american wish ride.com. >> cheer him on. >> let's hear it for edward the horse. >> we didn't talk about edward. that's a lot of effort on edward's part. >> you got the horse thing. she always wants to consider that angle. >> you win. that's all for us. kate is back in kuala lumpur tomorrow. now time for "newsroom" with carol costello. >> good morning. have a great day. "newsroom" starts now. happening now in the "newsroom," breaking overnight, the search expands again. 25 countries now looking at an area the size of the lower 48. >> we're here at the military air base at the airport. this is the center of the international search and rescue operation. >> also developing this morning,

the grief grows. families demanding answers as suspicion grows around the pilots. >> someone on the plane put into the computer system that sits between the pilots a new direction for the plane to go in. >> how seven key strokes could have changed everything. you're live in the cnn "newsroom "newsroom." good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. for the first time, a foreign government is admitting the military radar picked up malaysian flight 370 before and after the plane's transponder was turned off. we know at 1:22 a.m., march 8, saturday, the missing plane's transponder was shut off. six minutes later, the thailand air force tells cnn the unknown signal popped up on the radar

traveling in a different direction than 370's original flight path. it's signal was not broadcasting. it never entered thai air space. it headed back towards kuala lumpur. then the signal was lost. this revelation casts new light on what may have happened. we are joined now with tom from washington. take it away. >> latest twist is the right word isn't it carol. we keep getting them day after day. let's bring in the map and get our bearings. there's where the plane took off a week ago, from kuala lumpur. come off the coast. here's where it disappeared. since then we've seen the expansion of all places they might be looking for this including this wide expansion of some days back when the satellite suggested arks northern and southern upon which the plane might be. it's the northern ark that fits

the mold of what we're hearing out of thailand. what is the idea they're suggesting? the flight down here would have come up this way and then made this turn. the turn would have been over towards the straight of malacca. does this fit the model of everything we're talking about so far? kind of. there was an immediate turn from the time it disappeared. that would have been more in this area. the thai report would have shown it to to come furtherer and then turn. do they fit together? does this fit in a sightings over toward the malacca area. it's the piecemeal come in. if thai had the information,

good heavens, why do we only know about it now? >> so much information is not shared. it's quite shocking. tom foreman, thanks to you. i want to bring in former inspector general and attorney for accident traffic victims. good morning mary. >> good morning. let's talk about this. the thai air force says it was tracking the normal flight pattern until 1:22 in the morning saturday and then lost the signal. minutes later, the thai air force picks up the unknown aircraft heading roughly back toward kuala lumpur. does this help prove flight 370 made a turn? >> yes, it helps to prove the flight did make the turn. i think which most are agreeing on. it also has the potential to give more clues. did the plane take the northern route, southern route? the united states has sent the

hunter planes down to the southern route. maybe this could give them more clues as to where the plane went after it turned left. did it then go north over the hump to other countries or south towards the ocean? people are at least allowing themselves to have optimism on the next clue. >> this thai military official told cnn the unknown aircraft signal was sending out intermittently, on and off. what does that tell you? >> a couple of things. like everything in this investigation, it can tell you one of two things. the plane was having problems. the plane wasn't sending a clear signal because it didn't have a clear signal to send. or it can say to some that maybe someone in the cockpit did not know what he or she was doing. thought they had turned off everything but did not. we have two different possibilities.

intermittent can also mean it was the acars, the aircraft systems reporting computer that sends out messages. that only reports out every 20 or 30 minutes. >> it's also interesting this plane did not penetrate thai air space. it turned around before it hit land. is that significant? >> it can be. people who believe the plane was trying to avoid radar would not wanted to come over land. it's not that you wouldn't want to come over land. you wouldn't want in the territorial waters. you'd want to turn before that. the radar can extend out into the waters. ours certainly does. there's still the possibility that the radar would have seen more of what this plane did and give more clues. >> mary, thanks as usual for your insight. we appreciate. there's another big development, the flight computer. the new york times reporting the aircraft's first turn to the west was carried out through a

computer system that was most likely programmed by somebody in the cockpit. the person who programmed the change of course would have been somebody knowledgeable about airplane systems. the times reported this sighting, unidentified american officials. joining us to talk more martin savidge and pilot mitchell. welcome back gentlemen. >> good morning carol. we've been learning about the airplane. we're focussing on the flight management system. this system here, one here, up there, one here. essentially this is the brain of the plane. it does a lot of things to assist the pilot and co-pilot flying this aircraft. the biggest thing it navigates the plane. think of it as a sophisticate add gps like you have in your

car. in this case it was programmed to go from kuala lumpur to beijing with waypoints within it. as mitchell can show us, it's easy to alter the flight. how would a turn be put? ? >> very simple. this shows our flight path. this is us. all you have to do to change course, a couple of key strokes. if you know where you want to go, the waypoint, it's a matter of punching into the scratch pad here, the area below here. we put it in the flight plan. we execute that flight plan. now you can see outside the airplane turning. deviating from course to the left, to the new route. it's as simple as. that. >> we should point out carol, even though you see on the horizon the plane is turning, if you're a passenger in the passenger compartment, doesn't seem like a dramatic change. isn't violent in any way.

the aircraft is doing it smoothly and consistently. if you didn't know better, you'd think it was part of the standard court you were on. in fact you deviated significantly. >> yes. >> malaysian officials were asked about this scenario this morning. they say the computer was programmed as usual to fly to beijing. we don't know when it was changed. let's say after the plane took off. what kind of scenario would such a thing be needed, mitchell? >> you know what, it's just as easy to change the course in the air as it is on the ground. you just have to -- on the ground it might be easier because you're on the ground and have less going on. in the air, it's simple. five to ten seconds. you have to know about the air space and the corridor you're

flying on. the waypoints, if they're covered by radar. there's so much behind the ski strokes. tons and tons of knowledge you have to have to know exactly where you're going and for purposes, for their objective. >> i guess what i was asking is why would you change the computer in air? >> because -- i mean, if the capability is there in case you need to deviate. primarily for weather. if a volcano erupt, a thunderstorm, a sick passenger. you change the flight plan. why they did it in this case, who knows. that's why the capability is there. >> it would certainly show someone did it to this plane. >> thank you for helping us understand. mitchell and martin, thanks as always.

malaysian officials are asking for help on this search. the indian oh, makcean, third l oh, with average dechpths of tw miles. the search area the size of the united states. that's what crews face trying to search in the mystery of flight 370. we'll head to kuala lumpur next.

a bit of breaking news the to pass along to you this morning. this russia, vladimir putin signed a treaty making crimea part of the russian federation. this comes after the vote in

crimea over the weekend where 97% of voters backed the referendum to leave ukraine and join russia a. officials will begin ratification of the treaty if the next few days. we'll continue to monitor this developing story throughout the morning. now back to our big story of the day, that missing plane. 26 nations scouring nearly 3 million square miles or almost the size of the entire united states in an effort to find clues in the disappearance of malaysia airlines flight 370. kate bolduan in kuala lumpur. the size of the search is outstanding. i don't know where you begin. how are they splitting this up? >> well that's the huge problem carol carol. the search area is not narrowing. it's expanding 11 days in. that's the big challenge, how do they break it up or cover this

area. they're trying their best. at this point that's the way we understand it. you've got corridorcorridors, n south. they're taking the lead covering the northern corridor. you have australia and indonesia. they're taking the southern corridor to take the lead there and focus assets. announced today in the press conference with malaysian officials also they've reached out looking for help in terms of actual assets. we talked about the uss kid navy ships out there searching. sounds like they're focussing more on aircraft. u.s., australiaustralia, new ze many others offering help in this search. you may ask why they're putting focus on the ocean? there's a sense of urgency here when we understand we're 11 days in carol.

the black box that is so critical because it sends out a ping, a bit of a message, that only lasts 30 days. yes, they do have more time. now we can all understand when you're covering an area the size of the continental u.s., you need a lot of help and don't have a lot of time. >> i want to ask you what the mood is like in kuala lumpur. certainly the international spotlight is on malaysia and has not been flattering. what are people thinking about that in kuala lumpur? >> you get a little bit -- we've talked -- you get a little from everybody. number one, we've talked to everyday folks here in malaysia. we spoke today to the next door neighbor of the co-pilot who has been a focus of this. you and i will talk about that exclusive interview later. it was interesting to get his take on is the co-pilot, could that co-pilot be behind this? i asked him in that

consideration -- he's a taxi driver -- what he thinks of the government's response. we have heard over and over again, they're dealing with an unprecedented crisis, a crisis this country, maybe no country, could be prepared for. the fact there's so many nations involved and such a mystery surrounding it. we spoke to a former prime minister's daughter, a social activists well known around here. she herself was critical of the government saying they have not done a good job giving clarity in their message. she also says again, they're dealing with an unprecedented situation and have been slow to get the information out. she believes they're trying to do better at this point. >> kate bolduan, thanks so much. still to come from the man

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if that missing plane's computer was deliberately rerouted the pilots will now be even more intensely investigated. we assume investigators are going through every single detail. as far as we know, they turned up nothing. we have more. >> the investigation continues to zero in on the two men in the cockpit. in particular, the most skilled pilot, the captain.

zaharie ahmad shah. so passionate about flying he's known as a home simmer, built his own simulator in his home and talked about it online. looking for buddies to share this passion, he wrote. captain shah also posted. this youtube video shows him as a loving father of three. he was also in malaysia politics. he was a supporter of opposition leader and a thorn in the ruling party's side. a political party in control for over 50 years. he attended the pro democracy rallies and meetings and wore a

dem democracy is dead t-shirt. he did know the pilot of the missing plane. >> can you describe how you knew the pilot? >> he attended some of the party meetings. i confirm afterwards he's a member of the party. >> why is that important? >> just hours before the malaysia flight 370 took off, the court after appeals ordered the man to prison on charges of sodomy reversing the not guilty decision of a lower court. an war says it's a political vendetta. did sthe pilot down the plane i order to make a political

statement? >> it cannot be conjecture. it's grossly unfair to him and his family. i'm open for a full investigation. they could investigate. there was nothing of that sort. >> he says he and political opponents are feeding that to reporters. >> in order to deflect that, their own incompetence, they now choose to attack me. >> just to throw off the scent? >> yes. >> i think there's desperation clearly incompetent. contradictory statements. we could not reach the malaysian government for comment on this. >> the fact no distress signals, no ransom notes, no parties responsible. there's always hope.

>> he did acknowledge the pilot and co-pilot did not ask to fly together. they're looking into pilot suicide as a possible cause. officials say it was the co-pilot not the captain that gave the plane's last verbal message, "all right. good night." >> we are live now from kuala lumpur. in addition to the story you heard, she spoke to a former malaysian airlines pilot that flew that now missing plane. tell us about that. >> it's very important to note he actually flew it, the missing plane. that's what is so interesting because he's really the first person who have has intimate knowledge of the actual mechanics of the plane. what he says is that he does not believe that it was any sort of catastrophic mechanical failure. he says that this particular plane is particularly sound and he also says that while we are

talking about the pilot, while certainly there's scrutiny on the pilot, he has known this man 30 years and doesn't believe he was responsible. here's what he told us. >> i know for sure. i flew this plane. >> you flew the missing airline? >> many times. >> what do you think happened? being someone that's been behind the controls? >> very, very strange. the lack of communication is the one that's really, really puzzling. the way pilots did not communicate if there was emergency. i think from the second or third day, i already come to my own private conclusion, there must be unlawful form of human interference. it could be anyone on the airplane. >> if you're convinced it's though the the pilot, does your attention turn to the co-pilot? >> like i said, unlawful human interference means human is involved. we start going down. >> reporter: what he's talking about is going down the actual

list of name, passengers and crew. that's a process that's going to have to happen with the police and investigators, carol. >> that's right. now there are 239 suspects, right? that's what investigators are combing through, backgrounds of each and every person on board the plane. i want to ask about the cockpit door and how it was fortified. can you tell the us that? >> reporter: i can tell you this. the particular pilot that's flown this plane. he said after 9/11 doors were strengthened. he says there's protocol when the doors open. anyone has seen this. there's a camera positioned so the pilot or co-pilot can see who's standing outside the door. it's a big camera.

he says you can see all the way to business class. he pointed out there's a key pad entry the pilot and co-pilot does have. you have to know that entry and it does change. >> another question and i don't know if you asked him this or not. can malaysian pilots be armed? are there weapons in the cockpit? >> reporter: we did not touch on that subject. we have not heard anything about that particular topic at all, carol. >> i was just curious. thank you. thanks so much for fabulous reporting as usual. it has been 11 days since that flight disappeared. we've had lots of theories thrown around. very few facts. joining me now, analyst, former fbi assistant director tom. good morning tom. >> good morning carol. >> 239 suspects, where do you

begin? >> one additional group of people i'd like to see int interviewed are present and former flight attendants. find out. find someone that's flown with either or both of the pilots. ask how often do they come out to go to the bathroom, to get food, for whatever reason. is it common to invite guests in? we know about the key pad, camera and about the door security. the door security is worthless if they frequently open it, don't leave it locked or let other strange guests, passengers, visitors come in during flight. i think no one would know that better than the crew that flew in the past. >> that's interesting. i was talking to bob frances, former investigator, yesterday. he was particularly interested in the co-pilot. this 27-year-old who as we know in the past supposedly let two young women inside the cockpit.

they took pictures. that would raise a red flag, right? >> absolutely. >> you want to know is that a fact? if you could find the exact flight attendants on that flight to confirm that, you would like that confirmed by somebody that would actually know for sure. you would think flight attendants would have direct knowledge of who went in or came out especially during flight. >> all sorts of things, new developments happening today. the new york times reports the course of the plane was changed in the computer in the air by someone who knew what they were doing. we know the transponder was shut off and certain communications were shut down. we also understand the doors to the cockpit are usually locked. it's hard to get inside unless something as you suggested, the pilots went out the door and somebody could slip in. as an investigator, knowing

these things, what do kwlyou cer on? >> you have a problem until you know what occurred in the cockpit or who caused it to occur. even if you have the best ex pert, only the pilots would be knowledgeable enough in a case like this to physically ka change the direction using the flight management system and computer. that may be true. maybe only the captain and co-pilot were in the cockpit to do that. what if they're holding a flight attendant with a knife to her throat and said turn this plane or she dies? maybe a different flight pattern where someone else's hand isn't touching the system, but the pilots are forced to do it or believe they're forced to do it because someone else's life is on the line at that second. >> let's talk about the passengers then. most passengers on board that plane were chinese.

china came forward and said we checked all chinese passengers. none of them have ties to terrorism. >> that may be true. all countries that had passengers on that flight have done the same. have tried to look at every possible piece of data about every passenger. the problem with that, those searches are being done to verify the passenger information is actually correct. so you also have the possibility of counter fit passports that weren't ever reported stolen and might be more difficult to check on that. that may be ongoing as we speak and may be a much more difficult process to go through passengers' entire history looking at whether they've been involved in the past in criminal activity, terrorist activity, mental instability. for 240 people, that's a difficult process to do.

>> there have been suggestions fbi should take the lead in the criminal investigation in this case. is that everyone possible? >> that's not going to happen. malaysia's a sovereign country. it's their aircraft and flag carrier. all yes know for now the last place the plane was seen on the ground was in kuala lumpur in malaysia. if that came down in another country, you would have another country sovereignty to deal with and see what experts they ask to come help work on the case. the fbi is already providing assistance in this case and has done so since the first night the plane went missing. the idea the fbi wasn't invited and didn't come, that's ridiculous. fbi has been there. agents are in the demand most going on 11 days. all the leads are done back in the u.s. coordination with the other

countries is ongoing. the confusion over radar, satellites and handshakes, all of that is making everything look suspect in terms of the investigation. the intensity and aggressiveness of the criminal case has been going on since day one. they don't go on whether they label it a crime or terrorism. they label as potential everything the day the plane went missing and it started from there. i've been told by a senior malaysian official they were focussing on pilots, crew, cargo, workers at the airport, from the first time the plane went missing, the first day. >> all good. tom thank you. i appreciate it. >> you're welcome. the captain and first mate remain front and center in the investigation. we want to know if all pilots are screened closely enough. we'll take a look at that when we come back.

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and emotional issues. >> there's no evidence in the backgrounds of the pilots to suggest wrong doings. malaysian airline ceo says everyone undergoes tests. >> we look to see if we can tighten the entry requirement. >> current and form her pilots tell us the level of psychological screening for pilots depends on their airline and governing body. >> do you like your mother? do you hate your father? things of that nature? >> have you ever harmed a small animal? >> some airlines interview the pilot's friends to see if they've got psychological or emotional issues. >> many airlines go above and beyond what's required fbi government. faa has strict rules saying

pilots have to get strict screening as part of their medical exam. they can't fly if they have bipolar issues. >> it's up to pilots to report medication they're taking. >> if he or she doesn't self-report, what happens? >> if you continue self-report, it goes unnoticed. typically if you have an issue, one of your crew members might recognize that. do airlines check on pilots to see if things come up in their personal lives? financial problem, worrisome issues with the family? >> no not until it affects your job performance. if you miss a trip for a particular reason. >> if airlines started doing, that privacy concerns would be raised. does this mean there's a

dangerous gap in the system? >> pilots for the most part are sound people, very determined, very professional. i don't think you're going to need or have to have the criteria tightened up. >> mark also points out many commercial pilots come straight to those jobs from the military where they've gotten regular psychological screening. cnn washington. >> still to come in the newsroom, the missing plane's to north korea vanished in the new bermuda triangle? yes, conspiracy theories a bound. why are they so prevalent? we'll talk about that next. on ys with nicorette or nicoderm cq.

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i'm carol costello. welcome back to a special edition of "newsroom." hoping for a hijacking, family

members of the 239 people on board that missing plane are desperate for word on their loved ones. so desperate the possibility of a hijacking lifted their spirits. >> when the words came out that were basically considering hijacking as the most possible scenario, there was, among many of the families almost euphoria because that means they could still be a live. i heard cheers. >> with few facts to go on in the investigation, many theories are filling the void including conspiracy theories. gary marcus is a professor at nyu and written about fashion nation of such theories. welcome. >> thanks very much. >> thank you for being here. i understand why the families want a hijacking. i do. i can't say i would be thinking any differently. why do we in general like to come up with scenarios that defy all logic?

>> i don't think anybody wants a theory to defy logic. we want to be the one to come up with the right theory. we want to think of a theory no one else has thought of. we think people have landed on a particular island. we find information about that island and find information to back our theory. we want to find the right theory. part comes from how our brain works. we feel good if we find evidence to support our theories. >> some theories are silly. new bermuda triangle idea or aliens are to blame. these theories seem disrespectful. is that the part of us that needs an explanation no matter what? does it -- >> human beings have a hard time when there's not an explanation. we troy to invent when there aren't any. it really is random.

we have anything that's random. we do want to find explanations for things. that's a strong desire. we differ, different human beings, in paranoia, sophistication in thinking about scientific reasoning and small possibilities. we all want an explanation. >> some theories are said in a joking manner. i suppose that's because it's too painful to think about what might have happened to that plane. you have to laugh because it's so painful to think of what might have happened really. >> joking is certainly a natural defense mechanism. people i guess have their sense of when that may be in good taste or not. it's a natural defense mechanism to deal with what's obviously though the a good situation. >> even when we know what happened to the plane or we can best guess what happened to the plane, is it likely some of those conspiracy theories will live on? >> probably. i mean, in less there's absolute

data to rule them out. if someone believes a theory, they'll defend against counter evidence and may linger for a long time. this happens to scientists too. there's an old saying that the way there's a science change, doubters die off. it can take a long time to change someone's mind on someone. >> i appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. still to come in the "newsroom," the search area for the missing plane, now nearly the size of the entire united states. will they ever find that plane? we'll talk about that next.

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. . . malaysia reaching out for more help with the search of the missing plane. officials are asking for deep ocean detection equipment. they are requests countries to take another look at the radar data. rob mccallum helped lead the ocean search for air france flight. thanks for being with me. i appreciate it. >> good morning. >> how many countries actually have such equipment? >> not a lot. there is just a handful of units in the world that would be able to conduct a long and deep water

search. there are more countres that have the heavy equipment to get the pingers, the find me, find me signal. the range to those pingers is very, very short. searching for them is like looking in a needle in the haystack, literally. they are designed to locate the black box within the wreckage. the key is knowing where the wreckage is. >> deep detection equipment, can you describe it? what is it? >> it is essentially using sonar devices to use acoustic signals to gather data from the sea floor and look for irregularityiliti irregularityilities in the data. sometimes we are looking for ships, aircrafts, submarines, whatever it might be. in lay terms, it is like using sound together, photographs of

the sea floor and whatever is lying on the floor. >> deep detection equipment managed to find air flight 447 off the coast of brazil in deep waters. what did it detect you that led you to that place? >> well, the key to the air france search and almost every aircraft in the sea is that you need to know where to start. usually, that's triggered by finding a piece of fleeting debris. once you have that, you can work out a very narrow search box and an area to search. you can deploy the sonar assets into the water and start doing a fip sca fine scale analysis of the sea floor. the trick is to have a good starting point. with air france, it was bodies and floating debris. we are very lucky to have a large crew at the top, which was the entire tail of the aircraft, which was relatively ease why i to spot. >> the water was still pretty

deep t was 12,000 feet deep or something like that, right? >> that's right. that's the average depth of the world's ocean, around 12,000 feet. these are not extreme depths in our business. they sound very deep again to lay people. in our industry, we are regularly working down to 20,000 feet or 6,000 meters. >> i know you mentioned it but you kind of have to know where to look even with this high-tech equipment. the search area is now the size of the united states for this missing plane. >> that's right. it is a vast, vast area. i said the other day that aircraft is searching at somewhere between 150 and 200 knots. ships are searching at a tenth of that speed, around 10-20 knots. sonar equipment is searching atheat a tenth of that speed, 1 1/2 to 2 knots. the more you can spot from the air, the greater area you can recover from the air, you can

relieve the ships of that spo . responsibility. the more you do by ship, the easier for the sonar equipment. >> do you think we will find this plane? >> yes, i do. it is a large piece of material. it won't have vanished. we are just not yet looking in the right place. if it is on land, then, somewhere, somebody will have heard or seen something or we will find something. if it is in the sea, it will take longer. let's not forget that even though we have narrowed the area down to an area the size of the united states, which is smaller than the area we were talking about last week, it is still a vast area of ocean. >> rob mccallum, thanks so much for your insight. i appreciate it. >> thank you. next hour, "cnn newsroom" after a break.

happening now, the "newsroom" breaking overnight. the search expands again. >> the search and rescue officials have taken on a new international dimension. >> 25 countries now looking at an area the size of the lower 48. >> we're here at the military air base in the center of the international search and rescue operation. >> also developing this morning, the grief grows. families demanding answers as suspicious grows around the pilots. >> someone on the plane put into the computer system that sits between the pilots a new direction for the plane to go in. >> how seven key strokes could have changed everything. you are live in the "cnn newsroom."

>> thank you so much for joining me for the very first time. a foreign government now admitting its military radar picked up malaysia flight 370 both before and possibly after the plane's transponder was turned off. the thai military says that around 1:21 a.m. on march 8th, saturday, it spotted flight 370 on its scheduled route to b beijing and then lost radar contact. a thai radar station saw an unknown aircraft appear. it was flying in the opposite direction, back toward kuala lumpur. that unknown plane was not sending out data. its signal was only broadcasting intermittently. once that unknown plain turned into the straight of the lockup, the signal was lost. now, this revelation from the thai air force casts new light on what might have happened. cnn's tom foreman joins me now

from washington to pars out this latest theory. take it away, tom. >> carol, it seems like every time we look at the map, we keep going between a huge search area and then something tighter again. this moves us back to a tighter pattern. a point of reference. the plane took off from kuala lumpur, flew up here, disappeared here. all along, even as these search areas have grown and we have talked about them, there has been this idea that it turned lest or to t left or to some point there. we have satellite images suggesting a sweep to the south or maybe it angled off toward the north. let's look where thailand is. you see it is off to the right there, a little bit. we just past it on part of the northern sweep up here towards kazakhstan and china and pakistan. it is down at the bottom of this sweep. in that area, if it is true that thailand tracked it, watch as we

come back down here, you can write off the rest of the pattern. you might be able to say. you might be able to, you see the end of the route there, the end of the red box to the right there. if the plane actually maybe thailand could track it as it turned over that little is must there and came into the strait of malacca. you see banda aceh and kuala lumpur. this would bring us back to a model we talked about before. it could have disappeared and gone down in the immediate area, not some far plunge far of the indian ocean. >> there is also the part that the plane flew an additional seven hours. how does that confuse things? >> honestly, it just confuses it tremendously. what we know is that the plane was somehow transmitting for these hours. we don't actually know it was

flying. the plane could have been running in some fashion but not going anywhere. that's what confuses the issue. a lot of people think that means it might have been sitting on the ground somewhere. some are going to theorize, maybe some electrical parts are still working even after it crashes if it crashed into the ocean. that's part of the signal. one of the things i want to bring in is the idea a lot of people have been talking about, that maybe there was some kind of really nefarious tricky thing going on. for example, if you had this plane and it turned off all of its systems but then it fell into the shadow of another plane that came into the area and this other plane was operating normally. you have a commercial airline flying a normal route knows nothing about anything, sending out a regular signal, this one seems to get close enough to it that it seems to be the same plane if you look at it on radar. this plane knows nothing about it because it can't see a plane that's not transmitting anything

to it. the idea would be they would both merge into a single dot on the radar and in doing so, it would be impossible for controllers or people on the ground to know any difference. who knows, carol. i must say, the thai information, while she intriguing, there is this caution. how in midst of this giant search effort can a neighbor so close as thailand be this far down the line before saying, oh, by the way, we think we saw it. that will have to be one of the questions that will be asked today. why is this information out there a lot sooner if it is truly reliable? >> it could be as simple as the thai military said, hey, we have to review some stuff and then they found it. we just don't know. >> the pressure this morning in malaysia, remember what the malaysian officials said. while they talked about the search area and searching going way off into the indian ocean and how that still matters, they also talked a lot about analysis. the only reason we have these

satellite tracks is because of analysis. it is not because somebody looked at an obvious picture and said, oh, look, it is clearly there. they had to take data they had looked over and over and over and look at it again and say, wait a minute. maybe this means something. maybe this means something. that's all conjecture. the only thing we still really know is that the plane took off and an hour later, it was gone. >> tom foreman, thanks so much. we are also following another big development this morning. "the new york times" reports that someone probably altered the plane's course away from beijing by pre-programming the flight's computer system. the "time" sites somebody aware of the flight systems. >> martin savidge is it a boeing

sim mu lay tore with mitchell casado. tell us what they are talking about? >> they are talking about a different piece of aveionics equipment. the fms, the flight management system. it is this box here. mitchell has one. the co-pilot has one here as well. this does a number of things for the aircraft. it really assists the pilot and co-pilot in flying this jumbo jet airliner. the primary thing it does is navigate. think about it like the gps system for your car. before taking off, you would program in where you were going and where you left from and a lot of other information. we programmed in, we left from kuala lumpur and headed to beijing as they were at 370. what mitchell can demonstrate, once in the air, you actually can change things if you want and you know what to do. >> our flight plan right now, to demonstrate, we are following

this magenta line. there is the airplane. here is my flight plan. what i'm going to do is enter a w waypoint i'm already familiar with. wmpa. a couple of key strokes. i enter it into the flight plan. it asks me if i'm sure i want to do that. yes, i do. the airplane is automatically deviated. you can see we are turning to the left here. it is just a simple few key strokes and the airplane deviates from its flight path. >> the turn is not overly dramatic. so if you are a passenger in the back, it doesn't seem like anything out of the ordinary. >> i was going to ask you. i wanted to ask mitchell this question and martin, you you can help out too, of course, because you've been doing a fabulous job. you are spending so many hours in that flight simulator, you will be a certified by lot by the time this is all over. why would a pilot change course by reprogramming that commuter? could it be because of

mechanical problems on board, fire in the cockpit, what? >> absolutely. it could be for a number of reasons, so we have have weather, thunderstorms, volcanic eruption in certain parts of the world. this could let us know to deviate. if there is a fire. it depends on the airline. they have different standard operating procedures. if there is a mechanical problem, some fire or something like that, airlines handle that in different ways. north american airlines, we turn the autopilot off and hand fly it. other airlines keep it on and deviate through the fmc or the fms. it all depends on the circumstance. >> if you change the computer program, if you had to because of some failure in the cockpit, wouldn't you communicate that to air traffic control? >> yes. i think i mentioned it to marty, af vee eight, navigate,

communicate. we are flying first and make sure we are going in the right direction. then, we communicate. communication is primo on the list. we have to communicate. they would have absolutely had to do that. >> the acars system we have been discussing showed alert or send out an immediate alert in the case of something like eye fair or the company rising down in the wheel well area. >> the fire alarm is pretty obvious. you would get all sorts have alerts and warnings that come up on the screen for the pilot and co-pilot to see. it lists just about every aspects from the engines to the cargo hull to the wheel well and the engines. you get quite a readout. >> martin savidge and pilot,

mitchell, casado, thanks as usual the search area has expanded to unbelievable proportions. nearly 3 million square miles. that would be the size of the united states. it is so big, it seems an impossible task even though 25 countries are now involved in the search. barbara starr is at the pentagon with that side of the story. good morning, barbara. good morning, carol. let's think about this for a minute. 25 countries now. this is a coalition, the kind of thing you hear about, heaven forbid, in a war zone. this is no you a massive coalition of international partners. many of them using their military assets, radar, satellites, military aircraft, ships, to search everywhere and anywhere they can. let's start in the northern sector now. china and kazakhstan, leading the search in the north. china saying it is now going to devote something like 10 ships, 21 satellites and a number of airplanes to look for the plane.

also, asking for more information from the malaysians so we can look at the satellite data. down in the south, australia and new zealand taking charge of a vast area of the indian ocean. many countries, including the united states now, shifting their military aircraft down there. the u.s. o'ryan aircraft from the u.s. navy down in perth australia. the navy ship, the "uss kidd" leaving because with this vast area, aircraft can search the ocean much more quickly, much more efficiently than the aircraft. malaysia even now asking countries for help with deep ocean search. the notion of where this plane is, we may be no closer to it but now a number of countries very deeply involved and in full international coalition at work. carol? >> barbara starr, reporting live

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in the 11 days since flight 370 went missing, many of the family and friends of the co-pilot have stayed out of the public eye. now, they are learning more about fariq hamid. kate bolduan is in kuala lumpur with more. good morning, kate.

>> reporter: good morning, carol. this is a neighbor. this is the next-door neighbor of the hamid family. he lives there with his parents and his siblings. the neighbor says that he often cease the hamid family but he says that they have not been to the house since saturday. saturday is the very same day the malaysian police searched his home along with the pilot's home. we now know. now, like so many others around here, specially in that suburb of kuala lumpur, this neighbor that we spoke with, was very hesitant and timid to speak to the media and asked that his identity might not be revealed. here is much of our conversation. the family of flight 370s co-pilot, fariq abdul mohammed, reclusive since media flooded their home on saturday. their relatives, enfamiliar miss words from the cockpit, all

right, good night. he is seen here flying a 777. his reflection in the console just weeks before the malaysia airlines flight went missing. >> how do you know the family? >> i know this family around five years, i think, around five years. >> along the streets of sha alam, a suburb, the co-pilot's neighbor, a taxi driver, says he doesn't believe the 37-year-old co-pilot would play a role in the flight disappearance? >> reporter: he is a pilot and this is a respected career in malaysia. it is a honor to have a neighbor like this. he describes him as ambitious, someone who loves sports cars. after he became a pilot, i bought a gti gulf and a bmw. i don't think he would something crazy. the hamid family kept to themselves. he also viewed the father as someone important but he can't forget the most recent conversation he had with this

neighbor when he said simply, my son is lost. >> when the father talked to you, how did he seem? how did he act? >> reporter: he was clearly worried but he was as a muslim. he seemed calm and able to accept it, the driver said. he asked me to pray for his son, for the plane to be found. the media intrusion now impacting the surrounding community. coat-pilot's next-door neighbor says the constant attention has forced his own wife and two children to leave. now, this is all significant because it helps us try to draw somewhat of a picture of at least one of the men that this investigation is focusing so squarely on. despite the change in the details of the investigation, the timeline and everything we are learning day by day,

malaysi malaysian authorities still say they are continuing to reach the conclusion, whatever happened, they believe it was a human deliberate act within the cockpit. that's why the focus is so much on the pilot and this co-pilot, this 27-year-old man. that's why we are able to speak with his neighbor. we have not heard much about him yet. we are just now getting a better picture of what he is like and who he might be. >> fascinating. we want to be careful not to condemn these pilots. we don't know what happened in that cockpit. right now, nothing about either man appears essentially suspicious. there are 239 suspects right now. everyone on board is under scrutiny. bob rose is an industrial psychologist and principal at the rose porterfield group. his company hires and coaches pilots. welcome, sir. >> how are you doing? >> i'm good. i'm sure you have been following

this tragedy. does anything stand out in your mind? >> what stands out is the lack of data we have. there is so much we don't know. the other thing that stands out in my mind, that i haven't heard a great deal about, at least, is what the cockpit management was like. we have heard about the individuals but what was the interaction like in the cockpit. >> the only thing we know is that they didn't request to fly together. what does that tell you? >> i don't know. did they know each other prior? i didn't have a good handle on that either. >> i don't think anyone does. so let's go back to square one and talk in general about pilots and how you hire pilots. what do you look for in a pilot? >> well, unlike the experience of one of the previous guests, we do not look at whether you love your mother and whether you hurt small animals. we do look for several different factors, a work style. pilots have to be very careful

and deliberate, more so than most of us. pilots have to be firm. when you are in the left seat, you are really in control of everything in that plane. pilots have to be very, very emotionally resilient in terms of what they express and what they feel. i'm not always positive and optimistic. i want my pilot to be. >> what are the red flags? >> the red flags would be the absence of any of the critical things. if you run into someone who is impulsive, they shouldn't be in the cockpit. there is always time to do things right but you shouldn't rush and do things wrong. so you have to be very careful and deliberate. if you see an impulsive person are that's not a good candidate for a pilot person. someone who is not emotionally resilient, that's one of the primary things we look for. when things go wrong at 40,000 feet, you simply cannot get rattled. you have to be able to focus on what you need to do. >> bob francis, former

investigator for the ntsb, told me the co-pilot, the 27-year-old, is much more interesting, that's how he put it, than the captain is. he sites this young man's lack of experience as a factor. do you agree? >> well, it is hard to say, carol, because aviation more so than any profession that i know of aviation throughout the world has very, very high standards. even someone who has a relative lack of experience, even so, his training to be a pilot was very good. >> that he supposedly allowed two young women into the cockpit to take pictures was against regulation in malaysia, does that send up a red flag? you say you don't like pilots that are impulsive. >> yeah, that would be a red flag. anyone who doesn't take that job seriously, anyone who acts without thinking about the

consequences of the actions, yes. of all the things i've heard, that would be the biggest red flag. >> that would be the biggest one. >> when an investigation begins, tell me if i'm asking you a question outside of your area of expertise, when an investigation begins into pilots of air mishaps, what do investigators first look for? >> you know, i'm not sure about that. if they are looking at their background, certainly, they need to look at anything that suggests anything above average. other than that, i don't know. >> thanks so much for your insight. very helpful. i appreciate it. >> you bet. still to come, is russia really the victim in the ukraine crisis. really? after officially making crimea part of his country, vladmir putin complained his country had essentially been, quote, robbed. we'll talk about it next.

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a major twist in the ukraine story this morning. russian president, vladmir putin, has signed a treeraty officially taking back crimea. he told a joint session of parliament crimea was russia's to begin with. his country was robbed when crimea ended up with ukraine in the soviet union. president obama and the european union are calling the action illegal and slapped sanctions on them and their allies. vice president, joe biden, also

threatened action. >> it is a simple fact that russia's political and economic isolation will only increase if it continues down its current path. it is tanned will, in fact, see additional sanctions by the united states and the eu. >> cnn's ivan watson, live in kiev this morning. tell us more, ivan. here in ukraine, people are looking at moscow's latest moves with real concern. we are hearing about ukrainians donating money to their defense ministry to help protect ukraine from potential threats from russian which has built up troops and tanks along their ukrainian border. we are hearing about people signing up to join to be

recruited to the military to a new national guard unit as well. i spoke with ukraine's new prime minister yesterday. he says that he feels a clear and present tan jury to his country right now. take a listen to an excerpt from this interview, carol. >> are you afraid of the possibility of a russian military invasion? >> there is a strong possibility of russian military invasion. this is the duty of every citizen to protect and defend its country. i still believe that there is only one solution for this crisis, a peaceful one. we offer this and russia offers war. >> so, carol, vladmir putin just gave a long, pretty aggressive

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z. >> major developments for the major developments for the search for flight 370. thailand says they detected a signal and it never crossed into thai air space and that the plane was headed back in the direction of kuala lumpur. otherwise, it made a turn. "the new york times" is reported that someone preprogrammed the plane's computer system to turn

away from beijing, something that would have required a very high level of aviation knowledge. joining us now, cnn aviation correspondent, richard quest. richard, let's start with the thai air force saying it spotted that flight, flight 370. then, suddenly, it disappeared and then it detected unknown aircraft that was turned back toward kuala lumpur. >> my question would be, what did they do about it? there seems to be a lot of people, the malaysian air force, the thai air force, the vietnamese, that didn't find it. a lot of people seem to have, quote, spotted something odd and then done nothing about it. this is a plane that either was under unlawful command or in deep distress. everybody seems to have spotted a blip on a radar and carried

merrily, happily along. did they want to see what was going on? everybody knew or should have known there was a certain amount of air traffic in the region, because it had filed a flight plan. to see something unusual like this raises the question, we will never know what it was ball but why didn't they do anything about it. >> it didn't enter thai air space or go over land. may that be a reason they didn't react? middle of the night, overnight air traffic controller. it is not heading in its way. it is not going over thailand. it is not an immediate concern to them. he never thinks, is this an airline in distress? is there something going wrong? after this, anybody who sees

anything odd on a radar will sound the alarm. there were too many people who saw this plane doing some odd things, flying on a route that wasn't supposed to be there, without transponder and they didn't do anything about it. that, to me, so far, is the biggest scandal. >> i'm coming at this from an american perspective. if someone in the united states noticed some strange plane flying around i would like to think that the united states would react to that. >> i guarantee you that the united states would react to it. that is why some of the more fancy full suggestions about how this plane may have gone so far north across india or pakistan, across up towards kazakhstan, they are just fanciful in some ways. there are enough radar systems that somebody would have spotted it. look. it is just about believable, the

one country doesn't spot it but that everybody doesn't spot it and nobody says what's going on? that's why the southern arc, the southern point down towards the south indian ocean starts to look for realistic, simply because it is not. i could be proved wrong in 20 minutes. fundamentally, it doesn't seem as realistic that you could get so far in land and nobody would notice this aircraft. >> it's a pretty big plane. let's talk about "the new york times" report that somebody had to preprogram the plane's computer system to make it turn away from beijing. that actually happened in the cockpit on board the plane. what does that say to you? >> well, i'm going to poor a little bit of water on this.

we followed waypoints that had been programmed into a computer. this comes back to the malaysian minister and the prime minister words, this was a deliberate act. there are a variety of ways you can turn the plane. you can take hold of the yoke and turn it as you would a car. it is not very smooth or elegant. the passengers would certainly notice. if the plane is on autopilot, i changed heading, a little nobody knob on the dash. very smoothly, it will do a very, very gentle turn to the heading. finally, you can do the big guns and change the flight and management system, the f mvms a go in there and reprogram the whole thing. that's going to take quite a lot of knowledge. you have not only got to know

the right instructions but how to set it and how to execute it. so, long and short of it is, this plane did a turn. it did a calibrated turn. it was probably done either by the autopilot but certainly under the command of somebody who knew what they were doing. whether that was nefarious or in distress, i keep coming back to this, carol, we don't know. >> sadly, we don't. richard quest, thanks so much. still to come in the "newsroom," in the event of an emergency, how are flight crews trained to react? a flight attendant will join me next with her perspective. it's a bit like asking if they want a big hat... ...'scuse me... ...or a big steak... ...or big hair... i think we have our answer.

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with a growing focus on the crew of malaysian 370, did the pilot or co-pilot purposely divert the plane from the flight path or did an emergency force

cause them to take on other measures. was it some kind of catastrophic event on board the plane that caused them to turn around. what about the crew? what about the flight attendants? we haven't heard much about them. we have a flight attendant from alaska airlines and the international president of the association of flight attendants. welcome, vita. >> i was talking to tom fuentes, our fbi analyst and he said that investigators should be asking flight attendants on the ground who worked with with these pilots about their habits. in your mind, what could you tell about an investigator about pilots on board the plane? >> one of the things we are trained on is called crew resource management. our ability to understand we are part of an entire crew compliment and we have to have on going aspects and methods to be able to communicate with the

flight deck. we can detect things on board the aircraft that might fall outside of the norm. that would also track to what is happening with the pilots and if we were to spot something outside the norm there as well. >> if you work with a pilot long enough, you would grow to know their habits, how many times they went to the restroom, per se, or left the cockpit during a flight. >> sure, absolutely. obviously, if they are flying 777s, those lend towards long lay yoef layovers. you might go out to dinner and develop relationships and know these people over time. >> why do you think we haven't heard much about the flight a n attendants? >> i find the whole thing very disturbingly strange, how little information is coming out and how much speculation is happening. that is quite unnerving. they didn't search the pilot's home until very recently. a lot of loose ends and a lot of unknowns. it is surprising that, in fact,

they haven't talked to fellow crew members. to our knowledge that they haven't talked to fellow crew members on aspects of not only the pie pilots but also the flight attendants. >> i am just going to ask you a general question. what kind of training do you undergo generally in the event of some kind of emergency? >> sure. generally speaking, in round terms, because some of that is safety sensitive information, there is basically three different types of situations that could unfold. before 9/11, we were trained on standard hijacking. if somebody wanted to come on deer a plane to take it to cuba, where the you would take hostages with the plane on the ground and how you would be trained on that. that was all about following the instructions of the hijackers to prevent any loss of life and then came 9/11 and obviously, that training was completely counter to what actually

unfolded, because, now, today, it is all about insuring that nobody ever is able to penetrate the cockpit. on board that malaysian jetliner, the cockpit door was locked. you had to type in a code to get inside. let's say the flight crew noticed something was wrong, that the plane had turned around, was going or had lost altitude, what would the flight crew be doing outside of that cockpit door? >> i am getting physical goose bumps when you are describing that. i can only imagine. we are trained for this to kick in right away. obviously, you would be calling the flight deck. you would be ascertaining if there was anything unusual happening in the cockpit. then, with he would be tryie wod a way to determine pertinent information. so much is speculative. >> you have flown thousands and thousands of times. what stands out to you about the

situation? >> honestly, what stands out to me is that government matters. in the case of the united states, we have the tsa, homeland security, faa, all these layers of security that have since 9/11, prevented anything like this from happening. the fact this government in malaysia is so woefully behind in ascertaining what happened, that to to me is what's standing out. it is flat-out remarkable that this many days into it we have no idea where that plane is at. i would add to that that i've seen alaska airline had a plane crash in 2000, flight 261. i vividly remember footage of the debris in the water. so the fact that there has been no debris found, means that that plane is somewhere. we haven't located it. it is just astounding. >> it is. alaska flight attendant. veda shook. thank you for joining me.

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the new information helps us paint a better picture for flight 370. we know they left at 12:41 in the morning and at 1:07, the on board aircraft communications addressing and reporting system, acars, sent what would be it's last signal. at 1:19, the co-pilot makes the final call to air traffic controllers, all right, good night. at 1:21, the transponder is shut off. at 1:28, the thai military picks up an unknown signal traveling away from flight 370s original path to beijing. they loose that signal when it travels over the strait of malacca. nearly 45 minutes later, the malaysian military detects the missing plane, which es supposed to land at bay jieijing at 6:30.

a hand shake with the satellite, the final contact, is made at 8:11 in the morning. that's pretty much all we have. tom fuentes is an analyst. not much to go on yet. it is 11 days into this. >> that's right. when the new report comes out, i don't know how helpful they are. you were just raising more questions in the last hour that thailand just now figures out 10 or 11 days into this that their radar said something was unusual. you would think the first day this goes missing that every neighboring country in asia would be looking at their radars to see and would know relatively quickly if they had something very unusual, either come into their radar space or into their air space for the country or nearby as in this case. if it was an everyday matter and nothing had been reported anywhere in the world about i

amissia missing aircraft, you see strange things on the periphery of the coverage. when you know that this disaster has happened, that day, to your neighboring country and then, what, you don't find out for ten days before you make it known. i think that's the part that misty phis me. >> the other part that is misty phiing. let's say the thai air force notices this plane. it was flight 370 on its regular path to beijing. then, it disappears and suddenly, minutes later, they see an unknown aircraft headed the other way back towards kuala lumpur, ruff lumpur, roughly, and they don't do anything about it z they don't do anything talt and they don't say they didn't do anything until ten days later. you would think that every possible country in asia would

be looking at their radar all along this last 11 days. particularly their next-door neighbor, thailand. >> i will ask you a silly question. how difficult does it make it for investigators? >> all of it makes it difficult from the very first day. the criminal investigators, without worrying about what to label it, immediately looked at the pilot, the crew, the passengers, the cargo, ground employees, caters, house keepers, mechanics, luggage handlers. that was all being done from the very first day, has been done continuously. in attempting to fine tune and zero in on a particular aspect of the investigation, the technical information keeps char changing right up until today, 11 days later. that confuses or distracts the investigators into having to look at a different way, a different data that is not at all helpful.

every time we have had new information, oh, now, that narrows the search. oh, really. to a third of the globe. >> it has expanded to almost 3 million square miles. let's talk about the pilot and the co-pilot. investigators are investigating their background. what are you hearing? >> here in the united states, we hear of somebody that snapped and became a mass murderer and the neighbors say, oh, what a great person. we had that in the boston marathon bombing case. everybody that knew the younger brother saying, all american kid, captain of the wrestling team, great guy. he would never do this. guess what? he did it. that's not always going to happen. other times people say, that guy was weird, suspicious, i never did trust him. you hear the full range of descriptions from neighbors,

relatives, even spouses. you have to look at all of that. you don't know. as i said earlier, it was a great interview with miss shook, the flight attendant, about, that is a key part of this. the authorities may have talked to every flight attendant that's been there in the last ten years. they are not going to tell you what the results of that are. i think this is something, if the media can find a former pilot like they just did, then find a former flight attendant that flew with them or the exact flight attendants that were on that flight where the young ladies are posing in the cockpit with the pilot of that plane and then you have the pilot of that flight who is not part of this. then, you have the co-pilot. there are other people that have much morrell vanity information about the habits and mental stability or frame of mind of the two pilots that were in that cockpit that night.

>> i do have a feeling that our reporters are looking for those very people. tom fuentes, thanks as always. "at this hour" with berman and michaela starts now. did someone deliberately change the path of that missing jetliner using the cockpit flight computer? we will look at the new details from this new report. for the first time, a foreign government says its military radar picked up malaysian flight 370 before and possibly after the plane's transponder was turned off. >> why didn't anyone on board the missing jet make any phone calls apparently of any kind? so many people have been asking that question. at this hour, we have some possible