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it would be nice to have that shot as a reminder of the stakes here. our hearts go out to the families. but hey, a new search area means new hope. special report with don lemon and all your twitter questions starts right now. this is cnn breaking news. >> good evening, everyone. this is a cnn special report, "the mystery of flight 370." i'm don lemon. we have breaking news tonight. a new area to search for flight 370 in the southern indian ocean to tell you about. malaysia has given india new coordinates for the search. every night this week we have answered your questions about the mystery that's become a worldwide obsession, and you have been tweeting us by the thousands. tonight, we want your questions and theories, your comments. we have top aviation and security experts standing by to answer them throughout this
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hour. what information does malaysia have that would most help if released? if we know that the route was changed, should we know the destination? and this observation from ronald, he says, i delete files all the time on my computer because i no longer need them and i want to save space on my hard drive. we begin with the breaking news. malaysia has given india new coordinates in an effort to find missing flight 370. jim sciutto, what do you have for us? >> reporter: this new area is in the southern indian ocean, where the u.s. and others have been focusing their attention,
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particularly on a patch of sea south and west of australia. they came to this patch based on a combination of radar and satellite information, the direction the plane was traveling, how much fuel it had in its tanks. that's where u.s. officials have been telling us they're interested in looking for this plane. now you have the malaysians telling the indians to look in the southern indian ocean, as well. that's become the real focus of this. we don't know exactly where the coordinates are. remember, the plane could have taken twists and turns as it traveled. but it is also taking away from this idea that the plane took a path north on land, perhaps landed the plane somewhere, this kind of thing. it becomes a focus now, and a likelihood that the plane is in the indian ocean. >> as i'm reading the information we just got, i'm seeing this only includes air assets. why is that?
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>> because airplanes can cover a lot more ground -- or sea i should say. we've been talking to the u.s. navy over the last several days. the planes travel faster and they have further range of vision, particularly the aircrafts that they're using, these new u.s. aircraft, they're sub hunters. they can't see under the water from the air, but they can see on the surface, and that also gives you an indication of the things they're looking for, they're looking for wreckage. >> thank you very much, jim sciutto. i want to go to richard quest. richard, they've given the coordinates but not telling what they are, but we know approximately the area? >> it's happening right now in real time. the indians obviously know the coordinates. what is interesting is the way this southern arc is now being broken up, to where the indians are searches one part, the
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australians are searching another. i'm assuming they're getting more satellite and getting more accurate, looking at the satellite information. they know what they've got in terms of the picks. they're getting more accurate at interpreting it. the indians said we're not searching anymore until you give us more information. we've had that from other countries, we need more information before we search for all of this. now the malaysians are saying we are getting a better handle on what we need to search or where we need to search. >> there have been several significant developments today. is this the most important one in your estimation? >> i think without doubt. that they are now giving a major country specific instructions of where they would like them to go and look. this is a fact. so far we've had too -- for example, the whole question which i'm sure we'll get into, the whole issue of the captain
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deleting data from his home simulator. the issue of the press conference this morning saying that there was -- that it was a documented flight path and it didn't have any additional weigh points. these were all this morning. tonight, just to put it in perspective, it's 10:00 a.m. in kuala lumpur, so we're starting to get the first information of thursday now really coming out. >> thank you for helping me out with that breaking news. i want to check in now with cnn's martin savidge. at this moment, he's in a 777 flight simulator. tonight, i would like you to look into this brand new information about a specific search area in the southern indian ocean and report back to us later in the show. but since you're in the simulator right now, talk to me about the significance of files being deleted from the pilot's home simulator, what do you know about that?
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>> reporter: well, even before i touch on that, just as we talk about this latest information of a new search being opened up in the area of the indian ocean, there is the possibility that perhaps there was something gleaned from not the deleted files but files found in the pilot's flight simulator he had in his home. but as far as the deleted information, yeah, this is something that was brought forward from authorities including reportedly from some members of the fbi where they've been talking about going over, of course, the memory of that flight simulator. flight simulator is a big computer specialized in this case to simulate flight, but like any computer, we delete stuff. and sometimes when it gets too full you have a good reason to delete things. so did he delete stuff because he had something to hide or because he wanted to make more room for flying? i don't know anyone that can tell us officially either way. >> this show is all about the
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viewer. here is a tweet from laurga berger. she asks, how come they having tried to re-create the flight of the southern route. it only takes eight hours. martin, can you look into laura's question and get back later and tell us what you find out? >> reporter: yes, we can. >> thank you very much. okay, let's talk more about tonight's breaking news. jim sciutto, richard quest are back with me. and jeff weiss is with us. jeff beatty and arthur rosenberg, retired american airlines pilot jim tillman and mary schiavo.
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mary, to you first. you represent victims of negligence by transportation companies, including the airlines. when you look at this new information that we have now about narrowing the focus, giving new coordinates, what do you make of this? >> i'm hoping it's two things. i'm hoping these unnamed countries that have provided additional information have radar coverage to give us better information and i hope over the days we've gotten little bits of data that they have been cleaning out the white noise, if you will, smoothing out the data so we can refine in the points. if that's why the information has been changing and narrowing down instead of just going off on another tangent, it's definitely an improvement. you expect the information to get better. >> i want to give this one in regards to the new information, this one is for jeff beatty. i'm going to read this question from theodore. could it be from the onset the plan was to sink the plane in
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the southern indian ocean such that it would never be found? that goes with our breaking news tonight since they're looking there and narrowing that search. >> you certainly could come to that conclusion. when i hear things like that, i think of "the hunt for red october" where they talk about seeping a ship in the deepest part of the atlantic. it is certainly deep there, average depth of about two miles. so if you wanted to put the place someplace difficult to recover the aircraft, that would be a place to put it and it would be very hard to come and get it. >> this one is -- i'm going to give this to jeff weiss now. jeff, this is from steve, who says could it be as simple as mistaking north and south after a malfunction, flew the wrong way and didn't realize it? >> that seems very unlikely. from what we've seen, whoever was flying this plane
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deliberately entered points which the plane successfully flew to following highways in the sky that commercial flights follow. it doesn't seem like they got turned around. they seemed to have been deliberately heading somewhere. >> jim, i understand you have new information regarding radar? >> the malaysians said they had received new radar data earlier in the day, shared by a country, they wouldn't identify the country because they said that capability was sensitive, and that radar data was something of value. now the malaysians saying they got new radar data now giving new coordinates for the search. just further confidence that the plane went south rather than north. it's possible that indian gave that data. when you picture that side of the indian subcontinent there,
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their radar tracks would be very valuable in terms of determining where that plane went after it book that westward turn. >> richard? >> what we have here, of course, is no definitive, primary radar track. so all the countries involved, whether it's thailand or indonesia or malaysia itself, australia, everybody is going back to the data and looking at it again and again. sometimes they may have been slow to see it the first time. but very often they will be going back again and again to see if they have missed something and then that data -- mary, i don't know whether you can weigh in on this with me -- but then they will be giving it to the experts, all the people who really know how to make sense of what they're seeing. >> stand by, guys. i want to get chad myers in here.
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i want to bring in cnn's chad myers. what do you think about this new search area, chad? you have been looking into these possible scenarios, as well. >> i find the words "southern indian ocean" very curious, because the maldives would be in the southern indian ocean, if you consider where the equator is. they would also include diego garcia. if this search area is not on the arc, officials have thrown the arc out or discounted it a little bit. southern indian ocean is a very big place. let me show you what we have here. here's the new search area that the australians are using. are we talking all the way down here for the indian search or talking maybe not quite so far through the maldives or down here. we are going to find that out probably in the morning. but you asked richard quest whether this was the biggest event of the day and absolutely,
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yes. we'll have to see whether it's this far south indian ocean or this far south. >> ted, you said it appears they have somewhat thrown out the southern arc or moved it somewhat. >> five people say they saw a large jumbo jet fly over the maldives. hasn't that been debunked? >> it's been thrown out as inconsistent, but five people saw it. >> we've had the maldives saying that there's no evidence that the plane came down on the maldives or landed there. that doesn't necessarily contradict any eyewitness. i'm not denying or being disrespectful to an eyewitness. but they are traditionally unreliable because they see what they want to see. >> i got a tweet yesterday from dan abrams of abc, the legal
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analyst saying, eyewitnesss are often unreliable. okay. stick around, everyone. many more questions. jim sciutto, thank you very much. great reporting on this story. we'll come back a little later and jim will if he gets more details. everybody else, stick around. stick with me. we're going to have much more on our breaking news and on what president obama said about the search. i also want to talk about the families and what it will take to get some answers for them and keep tweeting us your questions tonight. what you wear to bed is your business.
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welcome back to cnn special report, "the mystery of flight 370." our breaking news tonight, malaysia has given india coordinates for a new area to search in an effort to find flight 370. and so many of you are asking about the families of the missing passengers. margo wrote this, can someone represent the families of flight 370, please? tonight's breaking news, will it lead to answers for these family members? we look at what those families are going through as they wait. >> reporter: surrounded by international media, a mother pleads for her son. "we have been here for ten days and no single piece of information." >> the families have a double family they're dealing with. number one, they don't know where their loved ones is, they don't know what happened, and at
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the same time their loved one is under suspicion. apparently, the investigators are citing or investigating as to whether or not anyone deliberately turned off the transponder, deliberately disabled the acars system, deliberately maneuvered the aircraft off route. >> reporter: aviation attorney michael verna said this case sun precedented. 13 days after vanishing, no side of the plane. >> i've been involved in virtually every commercial aviation accident in the world in the last 20 years and i've never seen anything like this. as things stand right now, we don't even know if there's been an accident. >> reporter: he says until we know what happened to the plane, we are in unchartered legal territory. >> this will break new grounds in not only search and investigation techniques, but break new grounds in the law, because especially if they do not find the wreckage and we don't have any bodies to
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recover. >> reporter: typically, under the montreal convention, families of plane crash victims can sue the airline for damages without having to prove who caused the crash. in the united states, airlines must provide assistance to families after an air disaster. >> obviously, the u.s. law does not apply to a malaysian aircraft that was destined for beijing. and i can't tell you whether or not malaysian law has a similar law to the family assistant act over there, but the circumstances of this are so confusing, so mysterious. with so much speculation going on as to what happened here, it's pretty darn impossible for malaysian airlines to send a clear message to the families about what's going on because they don't know what's going on. >> reporter: confusion fueling the grief of these families desperate for answers and an investigation that so far has none. >> thank you very much. the families are hoping against
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hope, but when will they get answers? joining me now is congressman michael grimm, a former fbi agent. richard quest also back with me tonight. congressman grimm, you heard the breaking news tonight. what do you make of it and will that help these poor families? >> of course we certainly hope so. the only doubt is we've had conflicting information coming from malaysia from the beginning. what i think is actually one of the more significant issues today is that we'll see the fbi taking a lead and working with the ntsb. i can tell you firsthand there's no one better at trying to analyze data points and radar than the ntsb. and there's no one in the world more qualified to handle an investigation like this like the fbi. if not from anything else, investigative, that's obvious. but just coordinating all these different countries and agencies involved. this is where the fbi really shapes and where they'll be really effective. and malaysia needs the help.
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so i hope this new data is something we can rely on. it seems to be a bit of hope, especially after we seen those families. we need some answers and it is still a mystery. >> congressman grimm, i want to get your reaction from the president today. let's listen. >> we have put every resource we have available at the disposal of the search process. there's been close cooperation with the malaysian government, and so not just ntsb but fbi, anybody who typically deals with anything related to our aviation system is available, and so our thoughts and prayers are with the families, but i want them to be assured that we consider this a top priority and we'll keep on working. >> so congressman, we're answering our questions for the viewers. so given what the president said, i want you to look at this tweet from leslie, and here's
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what leslie says, she says what person is in charge of this search? who should really take control in your opinion of this? >> without a doubt the fbi. they are the most qualified to handle this. again, they specialize in coordinating various countries and they have extensive experience, especially in aviation. i was actually there during the flight of twa 800, lockerbie, going back to 1988. the agents are the best in the world, and we're used to coordinating. the fbi is used to coordinating among multiple agencies and countries. so as long as malaysia gives them the ability to do that, the proper authority to work within malaysian space, there's no doubt the fbi is qualified. and when you talk about recovering data if a flight
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simulator, this is what they do. there's obviously a tremendous amount of pressure to get answers to what i would say are coincidences and things put out there that no one knows the an to. >> congressman, i want you to stay with me. i want to bring back my expert team now. mary, i want to talk to you about this, because you are an attorney for victims of transportation accidents. this one sa what would you be advising the families and is there any legal recourse they can take? >> absolutely there's legal resource. things are slightly different in the united states, because also under the family assistance act, which families of victim crashes
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banded together and got this legislation passed. it does require that they be provided grief counseling. but the national transportation safety board helps oversees that. it's paid for by the airlines, they have to foot the bill, but it's provided by a more neutral party, because at some point what's going to happen, even the united states, is the airline ops helping, then the families have to bring legal action to get anything more from the airline. but the family assistance act covers for several weeks. so they do have legal recourse. this montreal treaty says that the airline is responsible up to so much amount and then for the rest of it, unless the airline then has the burden of proof. the airline has to prove that they did everything possible, everything reasonable is the word is stop what hand.
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did they do everything reasonable? clearly not in this case. >> i want to bring in arthur rosenberg. how important is it for families to stick together in this situation? >> yeah, what usually happens in these disaster cases is that a family group is formed and coordinated by the families of the victims. it's typical, it happened in lockerbie. there was a very effective group that coordinated, they made some changes and helped towards the family assistance act. i want to move forward a little bit. part of the problem that these families are having is that there is not one sovereign that has been controlling this investigation from both the criminal side and from the civil side. so in the united states, when we have a domestic crash or offshore, we have the faa, if
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there's a criminal, we have the ntsb, the faa, the fbi. they get involved here. you're coordinating the efforts of many different countries. >> right. >> so just to end this out, malaysia airlines absolutely is responsible to provide these families with grief counseling and even maybe a little bit of support at this point. at some point right after that, under the montreal convention, these people ar entitled to full, fair and just compensation, which is about $150,000. >> i want to hear more from our pam coming up. more on the breaking news of the search off southern india. and later on i'll check in with martin savidge in the flight simulator. keep tweeting us your questions.
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this is cnn breaking news. >> our breaking news tonight, giving us a lot to talk about. malaysia has given india specific search coordinates zeroing in on the southern indian ocean. jim tillman, this is from sam. he says if we knew that the route was changed, shouldn't we know the destination they entered, like a gps of a car? >> we might, and then again we might not. i don't understand what they had in mind. i've been trying to find the
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endgame for a long time. until we have a better feel for where they wanted to end up and wanted to do, it's still going to be a mystery. >> this is for jeff weiss. this is from curious 2. the question, is do you think it may have been a dry run for a future plan? scary. lots have been made about that. is it possible that the flight computer was not in the pilot's control, that the change in the course was made by someone remotely to take over and crash a boeing 777 and then ditch the plane in the indian ocean where it would unlikely be found, jeff? >> that's a potential scenario. it seems very remote. i don't think it's physically possible to do that, and to speak to the tweet, i don't think it was a dry run. clearly it was an intentional act, it was a run. we don't know if they were successful in what they set out to do, to echo jim tillman, we don't know why they're doing it,
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we don't know what their purpose is. so it's really impossible to say. we do know that they engaged in an intentional act. whether they were successful or whether they crashed at some point, we have no idea. >> this one is for jeff beatty. this is from amanda who says, i am interested to learn more about the passengers. could this have been a targeted assassination or kidnapping? >> yes, amanda, it could have been one of those things. those are still on the table. we've talked about cargo on this aircraft, whether the cargo was people or high value cargo. so we don't know yet, but those things are still on the table as possibilities. not necessarily assassination but maybe kidnappings. and you have technicians that have also raised a few eyebrows.
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>> jim, i'm going to ask you this, because much has been made about this question. pete says, could it be a catastrophic deerizatipressuriz like payne stewart's plane? >> if that happened, i cannot happen decompression. it would be so quickly realized that the crew couldn't get their oxygen masks on right away. if they fail to do that, they have a matter of seconds before they lose consciousness. i can tell you this one thing, as i understand it, the computer was set to a heading mode, that is a heading hold. if that's the case, that airplane would have flown on that heading until it ran out of gas. >> this is a good one for mary. she says, is it possible that the flight was detected by unfriendly radar and they
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disposed of it, of the jet? >> well, it's possible it was detected by up friendly radar, but that would be something that our satellites would have picked up. we have sensors to detect any kind of a firing of ordinance or explosion of that nature. i think we would have picked it up. >> okay, jeff weiss, assuming piracy, this is from johnny, how would want acquire the jet fuel needed to get the plane airborne again? >> we don't know. and by the way, pait's not a hijacking probably when you seize control of your own vessel or mutiny when the crew takes over. the technical term under this is called baratry. this is what the malaysians are
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looking at, when the captain takes control of his own ship and causes damage. >> i want to get congressman grimm in. you heard the president today say that every asset available he would make it -- and this was a top priority. as you're watching all this and you're hearing from the american people, what do you make of this? there's a fascination and it's a mystery to us, but misery to 290 families at least. >> i think because we've lived through 9/11 and lived through so many other tragedies, i think there's a lot of concern on behalf of the american people and of the world. because it's such a mystery, people are going to think the worst often. they're going to draw conclusions that although they might not be realistic, they're still possible. because of that, when your mind gets ahead of you and you think of everything that's possible,
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now i want to check in with cnn's martin savidge at this moment he's in a 777 flight simulator among with a flight instructor. he's answering a question very appropriate of our breaking news of the new search area. the question is from laura berger, how come they having tried to re-create the flight of the southern route. martin, what have you got so far? >> reporter: we took your request, entered in new points in the flight management system and what we'll do is take an aircraft that weighs tons, then with 239 people on board, and with one finger, if we did it right, hit the execute. >> it's going to take another couple of seconds to make the
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turn, so we're a little further away than we thought. >> reporter: this is essentially the weigh points, and we can't say that these are -- right now those are not publicly known. this is the system, and now you can just start to see the aircraft making this turn. and this what's going to send it off hurdling off at 287 knots now, 35,000 feet in the direction of that new search in the southern indian ocean. and i did it with one finger essentially. it just shows you the technology of this aircraft and what can be done, even if it is heading off into a mystery. >> we're doing this here in the flight simulator, and richard and i, i'm sure people at home are riveted. we're doing this, but are searchers doing this?
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>> yes, we know for a fact that malaysia airlines has re-created many of these scenarios, because there had been a humor that the airline had put up a real 777 to re-enact some of them. no, that wasn't the case the ceo said, but they had re-enacted much of what they learned. boeing is well and truly with them, as well helping them re-enact all these scenarios. >> martin and mitchell, fascinating. thank you very much. you'll really helping the viewers tonight try to make some sense of this. i'm back with my experts now to talk about that new search area in the southern indian ocean. we're also taking your questions. my first one is from kristen kennedy. kristen says why would the plane be rerouted to crash into the indian ocean. doesn't make sense to me.
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mary, we talked about that last night, didn't we? >> that's right. that's the biggest problem we have on the case. a crime requires opportunity and motive. lots of people had opportunity, but we are just mystified on the motive. that's why the suicide -- pilot suicide theory, would they fly that long, where are you taking it? motive is a mystery. >> do you want to weigh in on that, jim? >> yes, i can tell you that i've looked at so many different scenarios about what in the world they would want to do this for. the only thing i can come up with, maybe they wanted that airplane and even more, they wanted that airplane with the passengers. we've got some questions we've got to answer. >> jeff, we've been talking about conspiracy theories. you believe this is plausible? >> jim said something earlier and chad said something earlier and somebody else said the word piracy. i'm old school sometimes.
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when i look at the last known heading this aircraft was on, it was 270 degrees. so today i want on google earth and i put in 270 degrees and flew that to the end of fuel. guess where it pointed to? mogadishu, somalia. talk about piracy. and also this aircraft could have reached southeastern iran, southern pakistan. not going through the hemileas, but south of india, a new search area has been asked for. so that's interesting to look at. >> this next one is from mickey. it says, are submarines being used in the mh-370 search? if not, why not? do you know about that, mr. grimm? >> honestly, i don't know. i don't know. what i would say is i would expect all technology that would be relevant that would be able
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to help uncover the whereabouts of this plane. i don't know the technology of submarines. that's outside my scope. sorry. >> jeff wise? >> when air france 447 went down under similar circumstances. they initially sent a french nuclear attack submarine out and found it was almost of no use whatsoever. the way they found the wreckage is with a new technology, these autonomous underwater vehicles that could pilot themselves and that's how they found it. i suspect if they have good reason to believe it's on a certain patch of ocean floor, they'll use that technology. >> this is something new to cnn. this is a new animation of the plane route that we just got here at cnn. i want you guys to take a look
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at it and we'll talk more, especially since we have gotten now that new information, the breaking news about changing the coordinates. this is apparently the plane's route. that is where they believe it disappeared. does this offer any explanation for this southern arc, the indian ocean now? >> it does advance to some point the sheer amount of information. we know it came back across the malaysian peninsula. the question is, at that point, where the plane fades, does it continue in which direction? clearly, there is a minor consensus, that it is the southern indian ocean where they are concentrating their search at the moment. but you have already had the indians saying they've been across the bay of bengal and haven't found anything there. >> arthur rosenberg, quickly,
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please. >> at 2:15, that was the last radar contact. that was the last military radar hit, when this plane disappeared. i still haven't abandoned the idea that this plane took a northern route, which would be more consistent with a plan of commandeering the airplane. the southern route still sounds like crashing the airplane into the water, which they could have done seven hours earlier. >> more of your questions, coming up. so our business can be on at&t's network for $175 a month? yup. all 5 of you for $175. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text. we're working deals all day. you get 10 gigabytes of data to share. what about expansion potential? add a line, anytime, for $15 a month. low dues, great terms. let's close!
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watching the chaotic response? >> no, i don't think the plane landed and those that are piloting are watching all the chaos. if it had landed somewhere, it would have been detected by some radar somewhere. so i think unfortunately it's most likely it's in the ocean somewhere. >> this is for jeff beatty. jeff, adam says, is there a possibility of terrorists sitting below the cockpit where all the avionics are located? >> that is a highly unlikely thing to have happened. i'm going to keep that short. >> mary, this one is from kay, and kay says where won't malaysia tell the name of the country that said they saw mh-370 on the radar? >> my guess is because the country would reveal that it had assets in re raycar beyond what
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they want everyone to know they have. >> at this point, i think everything that's being done is being done at some point. they're entitled to assistance. at some point this will end up in the court. >> jeff wise, i know these people have been used in murder investigations on many, many occasions. investigators sometimes use psychics. why hasn't anyone considered the services of a credible psychic specializing in missing persons. >> i think it's difficult to find a credible psychic. >> short and to the point. so finally, jim tillman, anna wants to know, why isn't boeing helping with the investigation since they made the plane?
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and i suspect they are, but you tell me what they might be helping them with? >> they know everything that can be known about a 777. they know the aircraft, they know its capabilities. they are the expert on that piece of equipment. >> all right. when we come right back, believe it or not, there is one theory we haven't offered up just yet. we'll dig into it, next.
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whether it was hijacking or terrorism or pilot error, but what if the was something we don't understand? a lot of people have been asking about that, about black holes and on and on and on and all these conspiracy theories. of course, it's also referencing the twilight zone, which is a very similar plot. that's what people are saying. i know it's preposterous, but is it do you think, mary? >> well, a small black hole would suck in our entire universe. we know it's not that. the bermuda triangle is often weather, and "lost" is a tv show. so i always like things which there's data, history, crunch the numbers. i think it's wonderful the whole world is trying to help with their theories.
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>> the big question, and i think, jeff, you said this, a reward would be pennies on the dollars. >> exactly. why isn't there a reward posted? a reward would be pennies on the dollar for what this search is costing. >> thanks for joining us. good evening. it's 11:00 on the east coast. 11:00 a.m. in malaysia. we begin with several pieces of information. item one, the search zone is focusing on the southwest coast of australia. item two, investigators tell us the path it took, the path caught on radar suggests the rout was preprogrammed to hit certain navigational points. item three, the fbi is examining data from the
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