good morning. welcome to "new day." we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. we are following breaking develop. s off the coast of australia. authorities are saying they have their best lead so far in the search for malaysia flight 370 and you're looking at it right now. this, they believe, are pictures of debris captured by australian satellites, the obvious question, is what you're looking at part of the missing jet? investigators say they had the image for several days. they feel confident enough to go out and try to see what they can find. for more on this, let's get to kate bolduan. kate? >> chris, thank you so much. good morning once again, everyone from malaysia. on day 13, if you can believe it, of this search. australian officials say those two objects seen bobbing around in the southern indian ocean could be debris from the aircraft. one piece is almost 79 feet long. it's about, you could estimate,

the same length as one wing coming from a 777. that is getting ahead of where we are right now. search planes headed to the debris field 1500 miles off the coast of perth to get a better look. but the australian maritime safety authority just minutes ago, they tweeted the crew has been unable to locate any debris thanks partly to limited visibility because of rain and clouds. that could hamper the search somewhat, of course. still if you want a frame of reference for how far flight 370 may have gone if this is from the plane is 3,000 miles south of where i am. one official calls it the best lead that we have right now. that's what that came straight from australian officials. we have seen as resources deployed around the world to bring you the latest this morning. let's start with andrew stevens who is live in perth, australia, where it is a race against time

to get visual confirmation of what those objects are in the water. andrew, you were telling us that the planes are still out there but what do we know so far from your vantage point? >> well, it's been interesting, kate. that tweet you mentioned, that's really frustrating development for the searchers, rain and low cloud hampering visibility there. we've had four planes from australia, new zealand and the u.s. out on that target area. the area that the australian prime minister says is new and credible. underlying credible information. that's come frgt priing from th minister's office, the highest office in the land. there is a lot of hope this will lead to something. there is still that hope that something will be found. >> all right, we lost andrew for now. the obvious question is does this debris actually mean crews are any closer to finding the

jet liner? if it is the plane, what does it say about how it got there? let's bring in richard quest. >> goochlt. >> good morning. >> the most important detail has nothing to do with the map. several days ago they got the satellite images. they've been doing analysis of it. they feel confident enough to go look. however, it will not be where it was three days ago. that's part of the calculus here. take us through starting with malaysia. retrace the steps of what they believed happened during the flight, the arcs and understanding of satellite data. >> so if we start up here in malaysia. we know the plane came out in the south china sea. that was the last known point where it makes the turn.

we know also the plane came back over the malaysian peninsula. that is the last known ping, if you like. we don't know what happened after there. the two arcs, one arc goes that way. they no longer believe that is the operative one. >> one of the reasons from that is they had reporting from every country except ukraine, nobody had any sense of anything coming into their airspace. >> and the one is bengal searched by the interian forces and nothing has been found. the main focus of attention has been down into the southern arc. and this is the vast area that we have been talking about.

>> it is overcast and misty. we know the conditions are, they're calling it moderate. that means they weren't able to spot anything. several days ago satellite showed there was debris 1400 miles off the southwest coast of australia. so that is perth. that's perth just about there, just on the coast. there we go. >> it slipped. >> i'll take your word for it. and then we come out into india. so you're talking about this sort of area is where the debris was last seen. >> all right. so let's go with the factors there. if this is where it was, two pieces of debris. >> about 14 miles apart. >> ocean currents, wind is very important. the fact that they're having white cap seas, that means two things. one, visibility. it's hard to see things. two, it's going to increase the

speed that things are moving, something that is important, even if they're right about what this debris is. that doesn' mean that's where the entire plane is. >> absolutely not. i want to remind us what we're talking about here. you're talking about very, very small amounts. approximately 24 meters for that one. approximately five meters for that one. 14 miles apart and we're talking about it 1400 miles off the coast. >> so when you see that dot. that dot is so much bigger by scale. even though it looks like a small dot on your tv, it is so much bigger than what they're looking for relative to the area. >> and the sort of questions that they'll be looking at is the route that plane might have taken. they know the winds. they'll know the tides. they'll know -- the oceanographers are extremely experienced working this sort of thing out. but even so, plotting a route that would have taken it on that arc that would have then allowed it to have the incident happen around here and debris to move,

to be found -- to be finding debris off the southwest coast of australia, we might have thought it would have been here, back into the southeast asia region. but to be finding it way down into the southeast ocean is something. >> australian military have believed for some time when using cross referencing what they knew about the last pings and handshakes, the terms we've been hearing which the thai government identified as an arc this coincided with an arc that gave them more confidence. you're going to start hearing the terms today, flotsom and jetsom. they're hoping this is debris of not nflotsom.

>> you'll start hearing the terms. that's the cause for confidence. this area is on one of the arcs they were studying. >> the one thing we have heard in the last few minutes and kate was reporting is that the first planes who have been over the area because it's going to take some time to get assets, planes and ships into this area. there is a merchant ship also involved in the search much it's going to take time to get people out there. the first search has come back unsuccessful. this is more than the needle in a hay stack. maybe it's a pitch fork or a dinner fork if the hay stack. but it's still an extremely long option, to find it, to drop the bouie so they can locate it again and then to retrieve it so they can get the confidence of what it might be. >> initially they'll get a visual. that isly the air. again, just to, you know, deal with controlling expectations, it's going to take a while to get there even by plane. the conditions are not good. we'll have our meteorologist

explaining what the conditions are. they have been studying these images for days. they feel confident enough to look but beyond that, nobody is willing to take a step in term of what this debris is in until they find it. search conditions very difficult. it may be slow and coming for more information. richard, thank you for helping us understand. for reporting on the ground, let's get back to kate who is in malaysia. kate? >> reporter: it's been almost two weeks of complete agony for the families. how are the families coping with the news of this potential discovery? >> well, what we've heard from family members is that they're being cautious right now. they've had their hopes up and then crushed in the same day and all they want to know is whether or not this is actually

confirmed. i had the chance to speak with the father of one of the passengers onboard. what he told me is this -- he said he has hope that all the passengers are safe. but if it's true the plane has been found, he told me i will accept that, too. he also thanked australian and malaysian government for doing their best to search for plane. but he said he still needs confirmation. he is hoping to get that later tonight. we understand malaysian airway officials are having a briefing with family members at 8:00. we're hoping for more details then. kate? >> all right. atika, thank you. let's go over to bay shing. most beijing. half of the passengers are from china. families there understandably also on edge. their frustration has been visibly spilling over in the past few days. david mckenzie has been with

family members. what is the latest from there? >> kate, the frustration and anger has been boiling over here in recent days. today certainly psychologists telling us they very worry when this news comes out if, it does come out that it could be overwhelming for these hundreds of families stuck in this hotel behind me. they have four ambulances on scene. at least a dozen paramedics. one psychologist telling me the elderly here have been suicidal thoughts because they have one child on that plane because of china's one child policy. the stakes are just so high here. every time we've had a false lead and that lead was then dashed, it's been difficult for these families to deal with. in fact, impossible. so as they wait and wonder, not so much today because they don't want to get their hopes up. and they do believe whether the news comes, it's probably going to be bad news. so until they have clarificat n clarification, at least they can cling on to that hope.

chris, back to you. >> all right. thank you very much. now let's bring you back into the studio. we put a map of the area where the two objects related to flight 370 have possibly been found. keep hearing the words. it's all about possibility here. we're going to take a look at the newly narrowed area. let's bring in an expert in expedition logistics in the remote regions. you have the right qualifications for this. let's qualify what we know. we do know that they are searching in this area. we do know that australian and u.s. military sources have been somewhat confident and expanding the search into this area and several hundred miles into antarctica because of what they believe in the reasonable arc thez cross referenced from what the thai government said, radar pings, satellite handshakes. does that square with your reckonning so far?

and then, let's get to the main question which is who do they have? what do they have in term of this search and conducting it? what do we know? >> first of all, i think at this point they have been following debris for two, three days now. >> yes, satellite images that they're working off and showing you this morning are from several days ago. >> so they've had some idea and they've been accurately following this debris with planes, helicopters, trying to get a visual. so now you've got the issues with drift and currents and they've been able to locate. they're working off grids. they're squaring off different areas thatter that going they'p looking for. but what we're finding is they have this area locked in for right now. >> so what we know is we see the two objects, not sure what they are. again, you're going to hear the words, flotsam and jetsam. they're hoping it is intentional

debris from a ship. you're going to hear the words. they believe that two objects are about 15 miles apart right now, nautical miles. the search area is 1500 nautical miles. what assets are they using to locate this? how long do you think it could take allowing for conditions which are getting worse right now because of the storm season? >> that's a big factor. they're working with planes. they're working with the p-3. they have the p-8 out. so they're really covering air yalz aerials in and trying to pick this up and get a real visual on it and then move on. >> p-3, p-8, these are different surveillance aircraft. >> yes. they pick up magnetic signatures. they know they have something that is metal floating in that ocean. and they've been following it. again, they're narrowing the search and trying to make it tighter and get to it.

>> one of the objects is very large which plays both ways for experts. some say that's pretty big to be a piece of an aircraft. others stha ay that this is a g sign. if it's big and it's aircraft, it may be identifiable. there is a lot of stuff floating in the ocean, right? >> this area is not heavily trafficked. you're not going to have a lot of -- it's on a shipping lane, you don't have a lot of fishing boats. it's pretty far down and pretty remote. >> okay. and now again, just dealing with 1500 miles, even in perfect conditions, a lot of the ships that they're using by water, they're moving maybe 10, 15, maybe 20 knots an hour. it's going to take days for them to get there. they move much more quickly by air. one of the lucky breaks to the extent there is any, will is a merchant vessel that we heard is in the area and they want to help. they may get there first. why is it important to be on the water and not just by air here

other than the obvious to, you know, visually identify something. >> you have to really physically see it. the satellite images are saying there is something in the water. it is a metal object. you have to physically get people there to look at it, to identify it and then try and collect it which will be the next phase. >> we're hearing from military sources, the reason and that was last time they picked it up around here. however, data from radar and gps and notably from the thai government, they started to create arcs. one came from the south and one to the north. they gave up confidence in the north. countries said they didn't find anything this their airspace. they reviewed records, nothing on the ground. one of the arcs going south into the indian ocean led them to this area where the satellite three days ago showed this. why three days? they have been studying and analyzing the images. so we're looking at several days for actual physical

confrontation with this you know, getting their hands on what it is. >> absolutely. they have to move ships into place. they have to really they're fighting currents and wind and weather. >> right. we're hearing white cap waves out there. >> that's a problem. that's going to slow it down. there is progress. there is success. there is something that we can work with that makes sense. >> australian authorities, the prime minister called it the best lead so far. i would submit that is intentionally qualified language. so we'll have to see what they find. there will be eyes from the air bringing some reporting sooner rather than later. we're work oaiting on a merchan vessel to get there. let's take a quick break. whether we come back, we're going to try to analyze. this how confident should it be? what does this mean to the family members? is this a false alarm for the search of flight 370? we'll analyze the clues and see where the confidence comes from

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welcome back to "new day." we're tracking breaking news in search for malaysian airlines

370. you're looking at what they believe may be the best lead to date. two objected spotted on radar in the interian ocean some days ago. they've been analyzing them. you're looking at them. one of them is unusually big, 24 meters. they believe some 10 to 15 miles away is another object, five meters, relatively small. where are they? off the southwest coast of australia. let's bring in experts who can break this down for us and why there is confidence at all in this. we have a safety analyst, former faa inspector and author of "why planes crash." and then security consultant, former cia counter-terrorism officer, fbi special agent, delta force officer, now a professor of national security studies at the university of new haven. great credentials in a situation where it's very difficult to know much. let's deal with why there's confidence. three days old? jeff, why are we only hearing about it now? how does it work? >> well, first of all, we have to make sure that whoever took the satellite imagery is

confident that it's not going to compromise their true capabilities before they disseminate that information. so, in fact, they may even have degraded the image before they pass it on. >> what does that mean? >> that would mean if they had more clarity on the image, they may have decided to say we're going to dumb that image down a little bit and not make it look like we could read a label on a basketball or something. people don't want to give away their national level capability to use satellite imagery because it has wartime, you know, consequences. >> so that's part of what they're dealing with in this investigation. 26 countries are cooperating. you believe there is reason to be guarded about what you share. >> the same thing holds true for what they've been able to see on radar. they don't want to necessarily let people know where their gaps and radar coverage are, et cetera.

they haven't been too bad. they've been good about moving information along. that does account for possibly some of the delay. >> another check, david, on optimism here. even if everything lines up the right way and this is what they're hoping it is, that does not make this an easy task at all. how big an area? how small an object? what would this be like in terms of setting out to find something like this? >> you're talking 1400 miles from perth. so even just getting the ships there you're talking about a long time to try to get there. they're only going to go 20, 30 knots if they're flank speed they could go better than. that they're not going to go flank sea because they burn up too much fuel. seven time as much fuel when at flank speed. >> flank speed is high speed. they have to consider how do we get back? >> that's right. >> all right. and just in terms of the vastness of the area and how small the object is. we've been trying to find metaphors about this. the original search area is the

size of united states and looking for three people. if you're talking about something that is 80 feet long, if not partially submerged, how difficult a task, jeff? >> fortunately, you have the technology on station right now to do. that you can tell by the way they tried to phase in these aircraft that they want to maintain some technology on station. the capabilities you've been recently talking about about the ability to determine what metal objects in the water from the high speed submarine detection platforms, basically. once you find out and in the area, you want to keep something on station. they will probably deploy bouies to stay with the wreckage. as they float, they deal with darkness. i think a real good factor working for them is the fact they even have a merchant ship coming into the area. >> a nonmilitary cargo ship that says they want to volunteer to help. they're getting closer than anybody else. function for search and weigh station, to give people a place

to land, necessiany resource fo weather and distance. >> if in fact it's a flat form can you put a helicopter on. >> sources were telling me last night that the best source for confidence in where this is also one of the constraints. following the arc, they didn't want to talk to me about the northern route. they say all the countries reporting there would have had to be intentional deception that something landed and they're not telling us and they're not willing to accept that as a premise. they made the two arcs into the south. this is on one of the arcs. that is because of ocean current and what we understood from the thai government. the constraint is this stuff is moving. this is three days old. it will be farther away. fair assessment? >> it is. the other thing about this area is the garbage section of that area. so it's got current that's are constantly bringing things together. that's how we were able to narrow it down more in the search because the currents are going to that area. >> if there is a confluence to use one of the terms of art this

is where different waterways come together, what does that mean about how much stuff is in the watteer? >> most of stuff is going to be small compared to a significant size component like has been described here, 24 meters which if it turns out to be part the aircraft is going to be a significant part of the aircraft. if that's the case, then i think it leads more towards the theory of perhaps a more gentle landing on to the water. i'm always hopeful for the possibility of survivors. and it's not a high possibility but if they ditch the aircraft, the hudson had some -- >> true. and in absence of fact, why not have cause for optimism? it doesn't hurt to have it. you don't want to have unreasonable expectations. i was making a mistake when doing the reporting, you think there's a chance the plane might be there? and i was being corrected. no, not the plane. just these pieces of debris. the black box which everybody wants, the flight recorder, that would almost certainly sink.

it would be in different area, obviously, than anything that floated. this would only be the beginning of what could a favorable discovery, fair? >> absolutely. what i would be doing at this point is looking for that impact point, the scatter point that we talked about. and that is most likely where the box would be. it's a heavy box. >> in the tail of the aircraft. >> some people talk about this is tail, it will be in there. flight 447, the tail was floating. tlaen was no black box in. there. >> because hit fallen out. >> that's right. the thing that concerns me most is we only have 425 hours, 424 now of pinging going on with those black boxes. so if we don't get there in that amount of time, if we don't find where that impact point is, then we're going have a heck of a time finding it. it may twob years before we find the boxes. >> as it was in air france. obviously the crash happened in 2009. they identified where it hit relatively soon. and, again, this is a maybe. this is a possibility. this is based off their

understanding of currents and where it could be as much as they see on satellite images days old. the prime minister of australia, they're heading up the search in this region got in front of parliament and said he believes this is their best lead to date. so that is cause for optimism. there are a lot of assets in the area. it will take days by water to get to where they need to be and figure out what they need to figure out. air will happen sooner. that is qualified by changing weather. this is storm season there. our meteorologist will be tracking that part for us. david, jeff, thank you very much for the perspective. it's important to understand what this could be and why versus what we certainly know it is. very little on that front. thank you very much. >> next up on "new day," we continue our breaking news coverage. we'll speak to efforts about the efforts to identify the images on the screen. they show the objects floating in the southern indian ocean off the coast of australia.

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good morning, everyone. joining you once again from q l quaqua quaqual quala equalkuala lumpur. searchers hoping debris in the water off the coast of australia could help them find the missing jetliner. satellites captured these two images, four search planes are scouring the area trying to get

confirmation. one of those already had to turn back and rain and cloud cover are complicating efforts already for the other planes. to give you an idea of where this is, the search is now focused in the indian ocean, 1500 miles off the coast of perth. that's about the distance from new york to denver. so if this is where the plane went that, is 3,000 miles of kuala lumpur. the weather is becoming a real problem there. >> absolutely. the swernlgweather is a major determinant in this case. the first plane went out got back to the air force base where i'm standing. go back about an hour and a half ago. since then we had a tweet from the royal australian air force saying that the search did not identify any of the objects they were looking for, rain and low

cloud really hampering visibility. we're still waiting for another three of the aircraft to return. as i understand it, one is still on target in the location where those objects were seen. they can only go two hours on location because it's such a long flight out there, it's a four hour flight. they can fly for 10 to 12 hours. if the weather does continue to deteriorate, it is going to make it so much more difficult given this is such a vast, empty part of the planet. so they need all the fortune they can get at the moment and certainly they need the weather to act kindly for them. i can see the debris, whatever it is, has been moving and will continue to shift. they need eyeballs on that, kate. they need to actually get a firm visual identification. we've seen the satellite images. they're grainy. there is going to be high res images from commercial satellites.

we don't know when. but they really need eyeballs. the first boat that's expected to get there is an australian navy boat won't be there for another perhaps day, day and a half, two days. so it's still a long way out before we get any real clarification, kate. >> all right. andrew steven, thank you so much for. that you talk about some of the efforts -- some of the challenges with mother nature and the currents and weather. we want to talk about all of that when we look at this satellite image that we're receiving from australian military. what exactly is floating in the water off the coast of australia? could it be the debris from the missing flight? naval ships and planes heading to the region, we know it's going to take them time to get there. chris is telling you about some of the challenges with the maritime forecast. let's take a closer look at the satellite images. we have captain timothy taylor with us. good to see you. so glad you could be here with us. these are the images. people are waking up this morning and seeing the images. i want to ask you about this.

if you look at it from your expertise, what is z. thdoes tho you? >> there is always a possibility that it's debris from the wreckage. it's size is telling. it's a big piece of a plane to be floating. >> they're saying about 24 meters long. >> yes. which is 72 feet or something like that. >> and related to a plane, the boeing, would that fit with boeing wreckage? >> obviously it can't. but floating, you know, could be a wing. that's highly suspect as well. but in the ocean, a the love things can float. a lot of things can aggregate and group together. >> speaking of that, let's move on to the second image. there are two bits of debris, they're sizable bits of debris. this is about 14 miles away from the larger piece of debris. what does that say to you? >> well, generally wind and currents will form long lines of debris. so debris doesn't form just one big lump. it gets spread out by current

and the wind. it will track like a line. so this could be part of the line. depending on the way the seas are running and what not. it could be part of the same debris field. a large section accumulates more debris in areas. so there are thin little weeds and trash and then just bigger lumps of it which tends to pull itself together. >> these images are three days old. australians have been analyzing them for this amount of time. we're two weeks into the search. does that time line in terms of currents and how fast they move, does that line up to you? >> they have more data on what is happening in the currents down there. but these thing dozen not stay in one place. >> okay. let's talk about the search efforts. this is tuesday, wednesday, and then the search for today. we know that they've been focusing on this southern corridor. >> i mean this is -- if they found debris by satellite and they started to search, that obviously is the debris is moving. if they're looking down here

now, obviously there is a current that is pushing it or wind driven current or ocean driven current moving the items. it's a moving target. >> okay. look at the distance. this is perth, australia. we're trying to give you the idea the location. perth australia, 1500 miles off the coast. a lot of people thought we would find this in the southern indian ocean, not as far south. >> again, they are looking for clues. they have to run it down. if they came out and said this is a credible lead, then assets have to be deployed. otherwise, they're looking for nothing right now. this is a good lead. >> this is a credible lead. last, i want to talk about the currents. this is something that is really significant. we know they're calling this a gyre. explain what that is and how it would affect how if debris or any other sort of what chris is talking about flotsam and jetsam in the area could move or not move.

>> gyre is a circular current. they hold all the trash in the pacific. every ocean has one. they do accumulate trash and large amounts of trash. eventually that trash starts to sink. usually there are large patches of this. this could be a patch of trash. >> to that end, it could very well be that. >> they have to go look and they have to find out if it is or isn't. and then move from there. >> go look, they will. timothy taylor, thank you. we appreciate you walking through that us with. actually, i'll take it. we're going tie a short break. we'll take you live to awe stral yachlt we' australia and talk about how australia found this debris that the satellite images picked up. how did we do it last time? i don't know... i forget. feeding your lawn need not be so difficult neighbors. get a load of this bad boy. whoa. this snap spreader system from scotts is snap-crackin' simple -- just snap, lock, and go. [ scott ] feed your lawn. feed it!

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welcome back to "new day" s it a breakthrough in the search for flight 370? two objected could be or couldn't be debris from the malaysian airlines flight that's been missing for 13 days. australian officials describe them as of reasonable size. the objects were spotted in the heart of the indian ocean gyre. exactly what is that? o we are going to talk about this narrowed in search area. >> yeah. we had a lot of speculation.

how did we go from the large search area and connect it to this small area to what we've been looking at? a little speculation. we took the information we had. we had the last known satellite contact with the plane, this huge ring. and then what we knew is the last radar image that we saw the plane was this last wave at 2:15 in the morning. we took the amount of flying time they would have left in that point of time, six hours. assuming you have the plane at the same altitude until it ran out of gas for every hour, it would match that last intersection of that last sat lite contact. that's where you get that last point. that's where they are now currently seeing debris. so that's what we need to look at. everyone keeps talking about the gyres. what are gyres? we have five huge tiscirculatio on earth. let's take a closer look at one of the gyres. we see very strong westerly winds out there. and a lot of people keep talking about the speculation and this may be a place you typically see a lot of debris. the bulk of debris in a gyre can

take 50 years brefore it makes its way in the gyre. does doesn'ten into it could be spinning out. there the likelihood of something being as large in size as it is no not very likely it couldn't be something that came up through that area. keep in mind the depth here, two to three miles. there is still a lot to be looking at and we're talking about the currents. still looking at circular motion. very strong winds, even as high as 50 and 70 miles per hour. that's what the trade winds are. that is moving out of the way so by the time the ships go in there to inspect, we're looking at conditions really improving. >> right, as you've been pointing out, it is storm season down there. >> white caps. they're dealing with white caps, bigger waves. tough to see things, ships move more slowly. >> that should be clearing out in the next several days. >> that will help. >> all right. we'll be following this as informaticomes up that is relevant. a lot of other news as well. >> ukraine making a major

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part of her leg in the boston marathon bombing, you may remember her, she's back on stage. the 33-year-old vowed to dance again and dance again she did. wednesday she performed a short rumba at a conference in vancouver. incredible. it's just about a year -- less than a year after the bombing. you can see, you know, she wore a dress that shows off her brand new m.i.t.-designed limb. >> good for her. >> that is fantastic. >> right. as you often say, people are not their limitations. and when they're challenged, they show that sometimes. >> tremendous amount of work. i remember we saw video from her and she spoke about how agonizing the recovery was but she was determined. >> and as you very said, sophistication you used, a short rumba. >> it was a rumba. >> things we learn about john. >> i know. he has been a ballroom dancer for 15 years. >> going on 16 now. >> anniversary for you. all right, short break here. next up on "new day", family

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we're following breaking news this morning. two objects spotted by satellite in the waters off australia about 1500 nautical miles from perth. search crews are trying to get a better look. are they part of flight 370? nobody wants this answer more than the families of the 239 souls onboard this flight. they are desperate and understandably so. our next guest knows their agony all too well. she lost her fiance on twa flight 800. her name is heidi snow. she is the founder of access aircraft casualty emotional support services. she's also the author of "surviving sudden loss: stories from those who have lived it." thank you for get up early, heidi. i know how close this is to your heart and your work. you've been following this situation. if you can, put us inside the hearts and the heads of these family members who are waiting. >> that time i remember early on

in the first week or so i would alternate between hope and reality. and we had said good-bye. i could have never imagined that would be the last opportunity to talk to him. and we expected a separation of just days at that point. and then suddenly the reality started to come into play that it could be forever. and that's when it began to become very difficult for me. but i really did hold on to hope until his remains were found. so even when the wreckage was found, i still really didn't believe he was gone until they actually found his remains. so there's a very difficult process kind of going back and forth and clinging on to hope and thinking maybe he didn't board the plane. maybe he swam to safety. i used to think he's strong. they sent rescue boats out there early on in the first day. i thought for sure he'd be on one of them. and then as time went on, i

thought that somehow he swam to shore. and i really held on to that to get through this. and now finding that we're getting a the love calls from other people who have been through this type of loss. and they're all reliving the losses. we em pe thigpathize with the f. people from 9/11 who still today their husbands went to work and they don't have their remains. and they're reliving it. they gathered the strength over time to become grief mentors and be there for other people if our organization s they're really remarkable people who somehow have survived this and really are amazing role models for others having to go through this. >> it's important per inspect they've this incident matters so much to the families and also people like you and people who have lost people from different types of disasters whether they were related to aircraft or not. you and i met back during this process as you were living it with flight 800. how important for these families

is information that's accurate, not dealing with these politics of what countries are revealing what versus hiding what? how much more difficult does that make this process? >> it definitely makes it a lot more difficult. i remember waiting for answers and trying to get confirmation. but at the end of the day, you really have to start to accept that person may be gone and that's what's really difficult. and all these other pieces will come into play over time. and i believe all the information is being relaid as quickly as it possibly can. sometimes when you're actually in the position of looking for the information, it feels like somehow it may not be coming to you quick enough. but i really believe the efforts are being made to let the families know what's happening. >> i remember -- >> obviously, when you're on the other side, it's very difficult. >> i can only imagine. i remember you were such an advocate for urgency. stay on it. people need to keep reporting

about. this don't let it fade when the next story comes up. and that becomes an interesting point. the media is in a tricky position here. how much do you push and press for answers? how much do you do that? how much of that is helpful to the families and what do you believe the lines are if there are any about what winds up starting to hurt the families? >> i think just having them believe that they're being given information in a timely manner is very important. and then as time goes on, they're going to grieve in their own ways. every person goes through it in their own way. one of the things i found most important as you remember, too, because i talked to you about it as well, is really, you know, just being able to talk about them, talk about the incident and the hardest thing i think most of our calls for help after large air disasters is really when the press steps away. the family assistance center shuts down. there is really no one out there

acknowledging their loss anymore. and that's when our help line heats up. that's when people really start calling. they have no -- the acknowledgment starts to go away. we made sure that access is there for the long time. when you're assigned a mentor that, person walks you through. it could be a few months. it could be a few years that person is your go-to person. so you're never alone in this process. >> the possibility -- >> it is very isolating. a lot of people don't understand it. >> the possible -- it's so hard to understand. we just try to empathize and give the families what they need, what they ask for. and, you know, as you remember so painfully well with your situation here, the scenario of possibility that may be it landed some where. maybe they're alive. it is such a part of the speculation. any discovery while it gives closure is also going to be painful. that's why organizations like yours are so important. heidi, you lived it personally

and now trying to help others. it's beautiful work. let us know how we can help going forward. >> thank you. thank you, guys. all right. we are following breaking news here on "new day." i want to welcome our view neern the united states and around the world as we're following deve p developments. this morning the folk us is off the western coast of australia. these pictures were taken by satellites four days ago. they have been analyzed since then. now authorities are saying they feel confident in going to look for what appears to be debris. but what is it? is it a part of the flight? it is a question that is just a possibility, not a probability right now. there are tons of assets by water and by air from awe stral yashgs the u.s., and a lot of other countries that are volunteering to try to find out what it is. everyone is urging caution. they're calling this the best lead they've had so far as

opposed to anything definitive. let's get on the ground in malaysia. kate bolduan is there. kate? >> thanks, chris. good morning, everyone from kuala lumpur. it is day 13 of the search. officials in malaysia and beijing can only hope that this debris in the indian ocean will help lead them to the missing jet and some confirmation of what happened to the 239 souls onboard. australia officials say images showing two pieces of debris were taken several days ago. and they're being analyzed. four search planes have been deployed. almost 1500 miles off the coast of perth, australia. that's a distance between new york and dallas. but one crew went back empty handed already and three other planes are struggling with limited visibility and setting sun in the area. if you want a frame of reference for how far flight 370 may have gone, if this is indeed from the plane, we, of course, have to

offer a lot of caution here. this search is about 3,000 miles south of kuala lumpur. that is more than half way to antarctica, a big distance to be covering. there are still so many questions. we'll look for the answers from our experts and correspondence around the world. let's start with andrew stevens who is in perth, australia, covering this for us. andrew, is there any estimate how long it will be until we really do have eyes on the debris? >> it's going to be a very difficult question to answer. the weather conditions are changing and chafrging rnging r kate. we had a tweet from a surveillance plane saying that they couldn't see anything. there was no sign of debris. but they were being hampered, considerably hampered by bad weather, particularly rain and also low clouds. so that was the first of the big search planes which went out early this morning to come back. we've also heard that the u.s.

p-8, very sophisticated plane is also returned to base. and also the spokesman for the seventh fleet is saying that there was no debris spotted in the p-8 either. a lot of this depends on a certain amount of light. this is a vast area to search, a vast ocean and an unhas been itted one. this is one of the loneliest places on the planet. i'm here at the pierce air base just outside perth in western a austrailia. this is a staging post. we're expecting to see a couple planes landing in four or five hours. people are telling us that not likely that they'll get any breakthrough from those either because of the weather. given the fact that you do need this visual confirmation, satellites are good. question get higher res images from commercial sat lights. they're now being directed towards this area. but visual, eyeballs to actually see what that debris, is get it aboard a ship and analyze it. that's going to take a while.

the first naval ship is expected to be there, kate, at least another 36 hours away. that's what we're being told. >> so this is squarely where all the investigation will be looking now off the coast of perth, australia. andrew stevens, thank you. the focus also needs to be on the families of those missing. most of the passengers on flight 370 are from china and families there are understandably on edge. david mckenzie has been with family members gathered in beijing. he's joining us now. andrew, what is the latest? >> well, kate, here at this hotel there are hundreds of family members waiting for any news. and many of them say that they don't believe this is the plane. one man coming out of the conference room minutes ago saying he believes the plane landed somewhere that his loved ones are okay because obviously if the news comes up that this debris spotted out in the southern ocean is the plane, it

will extinguish the hope that these families have been clinging to all these days. nearly 13 days now they've got paramedics on the scene here. several ambulances. i spoke to at least two psychologists and they've told me that they expect if the news does come and the news is bad that the response will be overwhelming. we've seen those angry and frustrated responses here for days in beijing and across the region. and they're clinging on to hope. but at this stage, that hope is diminishing. the families here saying that they want definitive proof from the authorities when it comes and then they will be speaking about this and they will be deciding what to do next. chinese authorities say that they're ready if it proves that this is the plane debris. they will possibly fly family members directly to perth. but at this stage, it's the waiting game that continues.

>> thank you very much. very difficult time for families. we're going to bring in experts that can break down the situation for us. we have cnn aviation correspondent richard quest and cnn aviation analyst. she is also former inspector general for the faa, now plaintiff's attorney. mary, great to you have. richard, always a pleasure. >> thank you. >> so let's reset here and get some understanding for people about why we're looking in this area to begin with. take us through. >> right. i'm going to go through the various points on the map. mary, as i'm going through this, if you feel there is a point we need to make, just shout out and shout out loud. the flight as we know starts here at kuala lumpur. it heads out towards across the south china seas and the bay of thailand. the gulf of thailand. at this point it's the last known point. we know there is a turn.

and the plane turns around and heads back across the malaysian peninsula and just about here is the last known position. the last report that we have. it then crosses the northern tip of indonesia and according to the two theories, chris, one theory is the northern corridor out this way. the other theory is the southern arc which goes out across the ocean. >> mary, when we look at the northern theory versus the southern theory, give us the pluses and minuses of each. >> well, the northern theory was playinged because thailand said they never entered their airspace. the fuel would have run out. the simulator reenactment of flying through the himalayans, it wasn't feasible. the southern route has a couple reasons that make it more plausible, make it more real is

tick is if they have a mechanical that, was the last heading and search areas where they would have run out of fuel. >> all right. take us through the circles that they've been searching. >> right. the circles come right the way around across through the southern part into the indian ocean. right way down into towards western australia. and now we come to where the debris is found. it has been found roughly two pieces of debris, 14 miles apart according to the satellite. and it's been found roughly 1400 miles from the perth, west, southwest of perth in australia. now this is roughly the distance. to put this in perspective, this is the distance of say, give or take, new york to dallas, austin, london to moscow, london to istanbul. now picture the scenes of what the searchers are having to do. they're flying from perth in western australia. they have to fly out across this

1500 or so miles. do the search. and then fly back again. and, of course, they're still looking at satellites that is roughly three or four days old. so it's not -- and if poor weather. so you have 1460 miles, 1500 miles or, so perth to this area. they fly out. there are about 25 planes now and 18 ships in the south corridor, in the indian ocean. more arriving. they've come from japan. they've come from indonesia. they've come from obviously thailand, from malaysia and obviously australia and the united states. all of whom have used perth as their basing point when they used aviation assets to get out there. >> one point of good fortune, mary, that we understood is there is a merchant vessel in the area that is willing to volunteer and help the search. there are eyes on the water and also the idea of using it as a weigh station for people, depending on the size of the

ship. how could it become valuable? >> well, not only as a weigh station but if they're able to locate remembering awreckage, t snag it and get it onboard. it could serve as a working platform that will be kind of a staging point until they can get more assets in the area. >> i want to point out that at some point we can show the area or the satellite photos of the two pieces that we're talking about. there are suggestions, let's put it out there, it's not confirmed. few faction are this morning. that they are containers. good right. >> there is a rumor now that size, the shape and the potential of these things, they could be containers that have fallen overboard. >> and part of that is because now so now you start to get into conflicting information. what do we know about this region of the sea? it's not a common shipping lane.

so that is a plus in terms you wouldn't have a lot of ships. it is a location of one of these gyres where things collect. so there is a lot of debris that may be in the area even though there are not a lot of ships in the area. >> which brings us back to this point. it's not a big shipping area. this is a vast area. look, give you perspective, the royal australian forces who are searching this marine services, they basically have said this is the most remote part of the world that you can get to. this is it. it is bold. it's big. it's deep. and it's frankly in the middle of nowhere. >> right. and also, remember, just to add to why this is a possibility at this point. explain to us that even if this debris were related to flight 370, this doesn't even mark where it struck the water. and that's where they need to find, right? that's the most important part. certainly that's the best chance of finding the black box, right?

>> right. they have to extrapolate back, reverse basically on computer reverse currents and find out where it would have struck the water and that's where they're going it start looking for the black boxes. >> final point, richard? >> vast area. you have the assets coming in from over here. if you think of all these countries in the northern part, and they're coming from as far north as japan. so you have all these and the uk sending assets in as well. you have all the countries that have got to get the assets down here into the search area. but the best hope comes from the planes that are flying from perth into the region which if they can even get a visual, chris, on what's there. >> remember, just to sum up here. why are they there? two reasons. one, it correspondence with what they understood from the last satellite handshakes, you've heard that phrase. the radar pings and what thailand had to report when thailand said we didn't see them enter our airspace. they started to look down this way. this is the area of ocean currents that they're tracking.

they're now working off satellite images four days old that they've been analyzing. conditions are very rough. it's going to take time to get there. so there are a lot of what ifs going on here. this is the best bet and it's what the australian prime minister said to his own parliament is the best lead they've had so far. richard quest, mary, thank you for helping us through part of it. we'll fill in the blanks as we got new information. >> all right. now let's bring in john blackslan. he is a senior fellow of australian university. we're hoping he can shed light on how the pieces of the search came together. good to have with you us, chris. afterously our chris was talking about the fact this information three or four days old. they're looking at the australian authorities. you are encouraged by this information? >> yes. i'm afraid i'm a little bit pessimistic. when you look at the photographs that we've seen, not only are they four days old, but the object was actually partially submerged and about the length

of an iso container. remember, iso containers good morning dmcome in 20, 40, and 8 foot lengths. it is about 78 feet. bearing in mind the satellite photograph is actually -- this is a focused in, a zoomed in version of a massive photograph that a satellite would have taken. analysts have scoured for hours trying to search through just, you know, empty ocean trying to find anything. they picked up this blip that looks a bit like a bit of fuselage or wing. but it is also the length of an iso container. it's not at all conceivable that is what it is. we can hope against hope that we identified part of the aircraft. i'm not so optimistic. of course, there are other satellites getting further pictures. the problem is that piece of

flotsam and jetsam is not where it was. that is why it moved further to the east of where the photograph is taken. the problem is we don't know exactly where. and so the aircraft are looking in poor visibility and this is the area that used to be what we called the roaring 40s. waters that ships got wrecked in. these are treacherous areas of water. it's very hard to detect things in. no matter, you have the p-8 and p-3 aircraft, maritime surveillance aircraft, the best surveillance technology on the planet. but they're not -- even with that best technology, it is still really hard in this kind of environment to pick up these little semisubmerged blips that are not emanating anything necessarily. and you're looking for something that is potentially not even there anymore.

>> and that's the concern. you're up against these elements. you're up against the conditions of the seas. you're up against the weather. talk to us about more of that technology that they're going to be using. there were reports initially though some people backed off that there's reports of those satellite images showing something below the surface as well. se sonar, what radar will they use and how well it work given the conditions out there on the water? >> that's the problem. the technology is great. it will pick up subsurface objects. but the problem is you got limited resources. you have limited flying hours. this is as richard chris was pointing out before this say long way away from the australian shore. this is at the other reaches of the flight capacity of this aircraft. they can only stay out there for a couple of hours. and this is a massive stretch of water. we're talking about trying to cover. so unfortunately, we're flying

partially blind here. we have out of date information. the currents have moved the flotsam and jetsam to another location. there are no em nations we're picking up to identify where that would be. and this means it's really a needle in the hay stack. >> yeah, there's a lot of strikes against them. a lot of forces working against them. but they've got to explore this lead as they do with every other one. thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate your voice in this conversation. we're going to continue to look at all of these tips and efforts that are going on. appreciate you. >> thank you. >> chris? >> sources in the u.s. side, i suggested, this is like trying to find a need until a hay stack. they said wouldn't that be nice? this is a tall task. that's why it is called a lead at this point. we'll take a break now. when we come back on "new day", what is the big if? if the floating objects turn out to be the wreckage from 370, it

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welcome back. we're following breaking news in the search for flight 370.

satellite images from four days ago appeared to show what analyst believe is debris floating in the waters off western australia. military surveillance planes are over the area. it's difficult because of weather. why are they rushing? they believe it may be a trace of the airplane flight 370. if it is, it is only the beginning of what needs to happen to identify this plane and what happened it to. so let's bring in timothy taylor, he is a captain and ocean search expert. so there is one scenario where everything lines up with what they believe they understand about where the flight took off in ma lash why, made the left in the gulf of thailand, they don't know why. we have all the intrigue about did they turn off the instruments? did they get taken off by a massive event. this is the last site they believe they were able to get a radar ping. satellite hand shake and then they start working off two main theories. one is it went to the north. they're not putting as much purchase in that anymore. the other is south which mainly

carried them by ocean current and different feelings about the movement of wind, sea, and different components there and take knew this region. then they get the satellite images. they got two pieces debris. one of them is like 75 feet. another is 20 feet. they're 14, 15 miles apart. if everything is right, if every guess they smmake is perfect an those are pieces of this flight, it is still just the beginning. >> it's the beginning. this is the beginning. and there's a clock ticking. this is the fourth inning. there are 14 or 18 days left. >> 18 days because the black box which has all the information they need to have any chance of understanding what happened has 30 days of life. >> it's not saying they won't find it. but if they can find the pinging, it's going to narrow down and be a lot faster. >> in terms of finding it. this is perth and australia. this is 1500 nautical miles, that's if you're in new york, denver. if you're in london to moscow. so huge distance to travel. >> you take one step, you stand

here. i'll stand here. that's 1,000 miles. that's about -- it could have drifted 1,000 miles. if you do three knots and 12 or 13 days, a knot every hour you have 1,000 miles. it could be out anywhere in this -- from there to me from there to you. we're comfortable with that situation. this is how fast things are moving. there are variables. explain about how much water it's in. >> that's a rough estimate. the data they need to collect if they -- it is an object from the plane, they have to take that object and find out what kind of hydrodynamic -- >> meaning how fast it would move in watteer? >> correct. if it's 90% below water, currents are moving it f it's on the water, air components are moving it. if it drift this is far in that amount of time, they can give that to the data crunchers and they can plug in the other data from the 15 days prior and try

to track it back. >> because even though this is a great lead, that's a good term to use because they're hoping it leads them somewhere else. it's not just about finding this. this is about find wrg it crashed. that's most likely going to be where everything you need. >> the search pattern has moved south, correct? >> yes. it's moving slowly south as they believe the currents are going. >> probably because the xurnt moving zbhchlt right. >> so it had as to go back to find the plane. >> because where the plane actually landed will not be where they find this debris. >> not at all. this is a clue. >> unless it is the tail. >> then then have the black boxes. >> that's what happened in air france, right? 447. they found the tail. but the black box is in the tail and that's why they need to find it. >> correct. >> so just given the time and the weather and the dimensions here, any speculation passed lead or possibility is irresponsible. >> correct. it really narrowed it down.

at least it gives them a trail to start sniffing back on. >> you made an interesting perspective. it's interesting to look at this forensically. you put a very human dimension to this before we came on with all of you. to the families, yes, they want closure. but there are many who are believing they are somewhere around here. they did land. they're okay. we're going to find them. so this will be bittersweet. >> correct. it could be. or it could be just a false lead. >> what do you put? best case scenario, how many time would pass before we'll hear word? we see it, we know what it is. we're able to identify it adds something that is related or unrelated? >> they have assets throughout with planes. they know where it is moving. and i'm sure they have current and drift model already. so i would say a day, guessing. they'll narrow it down. if it's still floating. >> best case scenario, it is not part of the relevant structure is that it is. >> correct. >> captain, thank you. appreciate it. let's take a quick break. when we come back, we have more

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good morning, everyone. i'm joining us from kuala lumpur. we want to welcome our viewers from the united states and around the world. let's get up to date on the breaking developments. two objects that were seen by

satellite in the southern indian ocean could be debris from the aircraft. they were picked up a few days ago are being analyzed. four search planes headed almost 1500 miles off the coast of perth, roughly the distance from new york to dallas. desperately hoping to see something in the water. but the first crew couldn't see much thanks to limited visibility because of rain and clouds. that weather is making it tough for the other planes along with the lack of daylight now which is dwindling off western awe stral yachlt still, if this debris is from flight 370, it would indicate the plane went a long way in the air. this search is about 3,000 miles south of kuala lumpur which is where that flight took off. that is more than half way to antarctica. we have more -- we'll have more if a few minutes. but first, let's get back to new york. >> all right, kate, thanks so much for. that let's get inside politics wall the news from the world of politics with our friend john king.

good morning you to, my friend. >> good morning. >> we got a similar memo on the purple. first day of spring. >> purple is good. yeah, we'll keep the rest of the morning dressed in bright happy purple and keep an eye on the breaking news as soon as necessary. let's talk about things driving our day inside politics today. let's start with foreign policy. with me to share the reporting and their insights, julie pace of the associated press. let's start with foreign policy. the president is doing the interviews around the country largely to promote enrollment in hk health care. he was asked with a san diego affiliate about options when it comes to ukraine. listen as he takes one off the table. >> we're not going to be getting into a military, you know, exertion in ukraine. what we are going to do is mobile yeas our diplomatic resources to make sure that we got a strong international correlation that sends a clear message which is that ukraine

should decide their own destiny. >> you covered the white house every day, is there a worry there that if you take that option of the table you're conceding? putin wins? crimea? >> the american people do not want to get into a military incursion anywhere in the world right now. but this does crystallize the problem for the white house which is you've already levied economic sanctions. they haven't had an impact. you have taken a military option off the table. what is in that space between those two options? frankly, there's just not a lot there. >> you hear the words facts on the ground which diplomats say he's there. the russian military is there. is their goal publicly is to get him out. is their real goal to keep him from moving further? >> i think that's a great point. what i'm hearing republicans on capitol hill is what you're seeing the president said right snou going to contribute to the narrative that obama is retrieving. he is making america weaker, not stronger. what you're seeing a big political issue that republicans will talk about.

>> you mentioned 2016, a potential democratic candidate is the former secretary of state hillary clinton. she gave a speech in new york yesterday to a jewish organization. she wants credit for getting iran to the bargaining table. but listen here. the president is trying to cut a deal to get iran to dismantle the nuclear program. hillary clinton, a skeptic. >> now the odds of reaching that comprehensive agreement are not good. president obama has said that. i'm also personally skeptical that the iranian was follow-through and deliver. i have seen their behavior over years. >> does it surprise that you she puts her skepticism out there publicly at a time for president and her successor are deeply involved in the negotiations? >> frankly, i'm not surprised. i think it's a pretty calculated move f you listen to a lot of democrats on capitol hill familiar with the issues, they, too, are skeptical. this may not be a reliable

negotiation. i have to wonder if you're john kerry or the current secretary of state, what you are thinking when you hear that speech? >> here's one thing that is really interesting. last year when we were reporting that the u.s. and iran were having secret back channel talks, separate from the international negotiations, people close to hillary clinton were telling us, hey, these talks actually started when clinton was secretary. this is expected to be part of her book. that's going to be coming out later this year. on the one hand, you have her wrapping her arms around the nuclear negotiations and then on the other hand when it looks like they're not going to be fruitful saying oh, i have all been spectacle. >> sounds like a politician. what sa shock. let's move on to another politician, ran paul. out at berkeley known as a liberal bastian. talking last night to young people, trying to tell them, look, the government spies on you. surveillance is bad. you should listen to me. but he is also talking about changing the republican brand.

listen here. >> republican party is, i've said they have to either evolve, adapt, or die. you know, it's harsh thing. i was telling somebody the other day, remember dominos finally admitted they had bad crust? i think republican party admitted. okay, bad crust. we need a different kind of party. >> we need a different kind of party. now he's been in a bit of a spat with ted cruz on a number of issues. ted cruz thinks he is trying to move away from anti-abortion views and in the addition and subtraction of politics, he's trying to reach out to young people. he talks a lot about trying to reach out to minorities saying look at drug laws and sentencing guidelines. he can keep this together? does it combust at some point? >> i think rand paul is one of the most fascinating candidates. when you look at what he said at berkeley, the thing that i think is most interesting is he's not trying to convince these groups that are not traditionally republican voters that they

should always have been republicans. he's trying to convince them he represents a different party. when you talk about a state like iowa, he can get the young people in iowa that came out for barack obama to come out for him? that's a possibility. new hampshire, they have i libertarian streak there. once he gets on in the race longer, does the party start to coalesce around him? i think it's possible. >> that's what makes so it interesting. he's the one republican right now who's plig outside taying o box. he understands the demographic problem they v it's hard to see the republican winning a presidential election if they don't do better among african-americans, latinos, college women, what fascinates you the most about how he's trying to do it? >> i think this rand paul revolution on race is very interesting. i think a lot of people i spoke to after the howard university speech said he feels like he was patronizing and reaching out to african-americans.

now he's talk about the first african-american president should have a better eye when it comes to the surveillance practic practices. he is coming from an authentic place. maybe i'm not the natural fit for you but at least give me a shot. i think that is rather smart and a way that many mainstream republicans aren't looking at pivoting when it comes to racial issues. >> and when he was criticized at howard, he is trying to go back and learn. >> absolutely. >> interesting. let's move on to one more of the interviews the president is giving. this one is with the new england cable network, my home base. he talked about the governor of massachusetts saying he thinks he has a future on the national stage and he talked about the former massachusetts senator who now is in new hampshire exploring running for a new hampshire senate seat. listen to president obama's take on republican scott brown. >> i'd be happy to, you know, scott brown wants to move down to texas, you know, then we could always use some moderate republicans in other parts of the country.

>> he's a big supporter of the democratic inkun becumbenincumb. my take on that is scott brown has a republican primary. he's going to now go around saying the president is talking about me. it helps boost him. yes, republicans will say you're a moderate. i think from an ego standpoint this is a gift of scott brown. >> sure. you have to remember that scott brown has a little place in barack obama history when he won in massachusetts, he took away that 60 seat soup mare jort that democrats had that really created a lot of headaches for obama when trying to push health care reform through. so there is a little bit of history. there but also just from our practical standpoint, obama is looking at the senate and another seat being in play. that's not good for the next two years of his presidency. >> the scott brown party is tweaking him. one of the favorite games to play in washington. seeing the president throw a little jab makes it more interesting to watch. >> taking the kennedy seat in massachusetts was history. but if he can take the shaheen

seat in massachusetts, that could get you to 60. thank you so much for being -- 50, sorry. i'm way ahead of the math there. back you to guys following the breaking news. it is an interesting day in politics. >> absolutely, john. thanks for taking us through it. always appreciate that. we're going to take a break here on "new day." when we come back, more on the potential break in the search for flight 370. it's been 13 days and they've been reviewing satellite data that is now four days old. is this a breakthrough? it's being called a lead. it could be false hope? we'll bring you the very latest on "new day."

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welcome back to "new day." this may be the biggest lead so far in the search for missing flight 370. there are the images. the satellite images showing two objects spotted in the southern indian ocean. quite a way from perth, australia, about 1500 miles into the deep ocean. for more about what this might mean for the investigation, we want to bring back in david sossi, author of "why planes crash." we also bring in a 777 pilot. good to have with you us. it's been part of this ever evolving story. i want to ask you both first off to give me your gut on this. with this new information, satellite images, credible to you, david? >> it's credible. i have to admit like everybody else on the first reaction it gave me hope.

we got something here. but the more you think about it, the more you feel that this was three or four days ago that this information happened. after an accident with that debris field, you have a certain amount of time before things do start to sink if it's particular parts, especially one that size, the potential for it to fill up with water and eventually sink as it's being pushed down to the current. it's not going to be easy to find this thing even though we had a particular fix on it. but i do have a lot of faith in the owe ryan and what it can pick up. it's designed to find submarines. so if it's down there, they may find it. >> faith only gets sous far. we have to have the instruments to get us there. les, how about you? they're up against high seas. there are white cap conditions. we know that it's a really deep part of the ocean. what do you make of it? what does your gut tell you, is this a possibility? >> of course it's a possibility. credible information but i'm still skeptical. you know, we go back to the

contain eer falling off a ship thing. 78 feet, that is a big chunk of something. >> the big chunk of something, they're saying is about 79 feet long, the largest piece. there are two debris fields. does that sort of fit to what we could be looking at if this was wreckage? >> well, yeah. and i don't knowing the dimensions of the tail, i wouldn't be the tail. my speculation, of course, is that it could be a piece of the wing which makes sense. you know, that there is air trapped in the wing. which could be a very positive thing from the standpoint we could begin the accident investigation from the standpoint of the fragment itself might indicate how the airplane hit the water, how fast it hit the water. this is the kind of thing that descent investigators are very good at. >> currents are an issue. if this is debris from that wreckage, i has already moved a long distance again we're making a lot of suppositions here.

david, we do know, what's new this hour is a norwegian merchant ship reached the area but australian navy, they're going to take a while to get there. to give us an idea, lay out what the next few hours, few days, what happens and what they're going to do. >> the fact that merchant ship is there is incredibly fortunate. the first thing had as to to be done is identify that it's part of the aircraft. so having that platform there to work with rather than just being able to fly over it and try to verify from the sky which is nearly impossible. now we have the capability to lift it up, put it out and figure out what it is. that's hugely important because now the next step after that is to find the impact of the scatter point. >> how do you work backwards? how do you extrapolate that? >> remember how we got this information about searching there was from the ntsb and faa working together to find out the flows and the wind and fit ran out of fuel where it would end up as the channels converge within that ocean.

so to have that -- those pieces there where they thought they would be is great. now swlau what you have to do i backwards. it makes a triangle. you have this point and then as time goes on, it widens. and then the other way around, when you look the other way, it also widens. it's not going to be easy. >> this is definitely not going to be easy. onest thi of the things you men is the need for this flight data recorder that would be in the tail section of the plane. the clock is ticking on this. >> right. my understanding is that it's required to last 30 days. it may last as long as 35 days. but i mean that would be incredible piece of evidence. >> it tells us -- what does it tell us? >> what doesn't it tell? >> yeah. i mean it is sort of the magic thing that is not going to solve all our problems. there is a lot of information it can give us. >> there's a lot of data. the digital flight data recorder

will tell us -- it has almost thousands of parameters that can be plugged into a computer program that the ntsb utilizes in addition to the cockpit voice recorder puts the time frame and when that all comes together we're just going to get a better reference to what happened. >> all right. again, a lot of question marks here still. we know there is a whole lot of search effort being directed to that part of the ocean. we appreciate both of you joining us, les and david. thank you for this. we'll keep you around today. there are more questions. it seems to be developing by the hour. short break here. next up on "new day," the weather certainly hindering the search for this missing debris. we're going to take a look at that and how long it could actually takes those crews, all of the ships and air support to get within a clear view wlof wh is in the water. stay with us here on "new day."

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welcome back to "new day." we are following breaking news in the search for flight 370. why? two objects were spotted by satellite imagery several days ago analyzed since and now investigators believe that it may be debris from flight 370. it is called a lead. that means it's a possibility. remember, we are 13 days in. ocean currents, time, everything that have moved very far, if indeed the plane wound up in the water at all. this morning, four aircraft rushed to the area. all came back without substantiated the finding. nothing so far. a lot of reasons for that. it's a huge distance.

conditions are bad. for more on that let's bring in our meteorologist indra petersons. >> this is about a 12-hour loop. very easy to see a large cold front made its way through the area. that's the concern. the good news, this cold front is making its way currently now out of the region. keep in mind that doesn't mean conditions will be improving. the reason for that is we're still talking about a common jirkulation in the region. these are some very strong winds and currents. when you talk about latitudes, this is a very common trade route because these winds are so strong in westerly to easterly direction. right here the winds aren't as strong but that doesn't mean anyone trying to make their way into the region will be dealing with some high seas and strong winds. currently the cold front made its way out. the winds aren't as strong as they were just a few hours ago. doesn't mean there won't be periods of time where those winds will increase. keep in mind strong winds also means rough seas. those periods time of when the winds do increase.

we'll see those seas increase. they correlate together. typically in this region, that's not uncommon when you see some of those peak winds to see swells go 20, 30 and as high as 50-foot swells can be found within that vicinity. that's the concern. the best news, the concern all morning was the visibility. currently we're seeing that system moving out. visibility is improving and should stay that way for the next 48 hours. remember, we keep saying this. these satellite images are four days old. they have to determine where in fact if that debris is on the surfar surface, something would be below the surface. this is the indian ocean, two to three miles deep. going back to this diagram, they have to evaluate where was the debris now four days ago and where would it be currently so they can find that debris and where would the impact have been four days back. those are all the concerns they'll be monitoring. the only news that's favorable is the huge cold front is making its way out. they'll have to fly through it from australia to that region

each time they go back and forth. >> word the norwegian merchant vessel that supposedly is in the area that is now in the realm of where they want to be searching. so that's a piece of good news. another interesting thing on the weather side. water temperature there is about 60 degrees, right? >> yes. definitely warm for this time of the year. hurricane or cyclone. >> just to keep all realm of possibility open. warm water in terms of what it means for survivablity as a lot of families are speculating, hoping that's still the issue. indra, thank you for taking us through it. when we come back, we'll bring you the very latest on what could be the biggest lead they've had so far in this search for the plane. it comes out of australia. you are looking at satellite images from four days ago. investigators are asking, could these items of debris be parts of the plane? several planes have gone out so far and come back empty. we're live with the latest from everywhere this story is happening. your home and auto insurance together.

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developments off the coast of australia. nothing definitive but it's being called the best lead in the search for flight 370 so far. why? satellite images now four days old have been analyzed by investigators. they say they show what could be -- could be parts of the missing jet. certainly it is debris that is at least partially floating in the water. also some discouraging news. two of the search planes that have been sent out are now back. for the latest on that and what the status is of this investigation, let's get to kate bolduan in malaysia. kate? >> thanks, chris. good morning once again, from kuala lumpur. australian officials say those two objects seen in the southern indian ocean could be debris from the aircraft. but they also offer a lot of caution at the same time. right now we're waiting for more information, but it was found near the search corridor. so officials are taking a special interest in it. a norwegian ship has reached that area, almost 1500 miles off of coast of australia. no word if they've spotted

anything. but of the four search planes that headed for the location, two turned back with nothing. two others are battling low visibility. nightfall has also set in. the debris is long -- a long way from where the plane went off course. it's about 3300 miles south of where the plane made its hard left turn that we talked about. that's about the distance from miami to alaska. obviously, many questions still remain. we'll try to get some answers when we can from our experts in the studio and our correspondents around the world. let's start with andrew stevens who is in perth, australia. we see the sun has disappeared behind you. so is the search still going on now. >> the search is not going on now. the two aircraft that are still in the air out of the four that have been up today are now returning to base. we have a camerason on one of those bases, on one of those aircraft. he's expected back hopefully in the next half.

so far has returned no trace of the objects which have been described as new and credible information by none other than the prime minister of australia. and there was a tweet from one of the australian air force planes just about an hour or so ago saying that poor weather conditions meant they did not see any sign of any objects in the water. low cloud, rain, certainly not helping matters at all. the cold front is sweeping in around that search area. the objects are now thought to be actually behind that cold front. it's going to make it difficult. we are getting reports there's a commercial vessel in the area. now looking. but it is nightfall there. i'm about 1500 miles or so southeast of -- northeast, excuse me, of where those objects were found. what we're waiting for is to get some sort of confirmation if at all, of what they are. that's the big question. what is in the water there? it's going to take a visual sort

of eyes on to see, to actually get real concrete information of what's there. we're waiting for high res definition satellite photos coming to us from commercial satellites. we don't know when -- they are being recalibrated at the moment. we don't know when we'll start seeing any evidence coming out of those. at the moment, all we've got to go on is the fact that the australian government, the australian maritime authority that's leading this search says that basically credible information, we're still waiting. chris, back to you. >> thank you very much. before we know what the debris is, what can we learn? can crews even find it four days after satellite images captured the debris. let's bring in richard quest. obviously we don't know the answer. let's design the parameters of what the search is and what the different factors are going into it, richard. >> what do we know and the facts and just put it into the -- the plane left kuala lumpur in malaysia. so we'll put a dot just here to start off with.

then we know that the plane flew northwards up to beijing and it's believed to have done its last known turn just around about here. now from there it does the turn. comes back across the peninsula and way out. and at this point, chris, there's the sort of last known, which is just roughly there. then you've got the northern arc which goes up towards china, india and kazakhstan and the southern arc which comes down into the south indian ocean. and we never actually thought, frankly, that we would be talking about something far off the australian coast. we knew australia has the privacy of searching this. malaysia did that last week. and they asked australia to take over the charge here. now we know. what do we know? perth, australia, is there, which is the main staging point, and the two areas that we're talking about, two little pieces, or very large 24 meters

and 5 meters, they are just about here. it's roughly 1500 miles from there to there. >> and let's put that in context. viewers in the u.s. viewers around the world. how far is this in terms of where these planes have to travel back and forth just to search at all? >> the best information, roughly, give or take, you are talking about a distance of 1500 miles, give or take, which is new york to dallas. or in international terms that's about london to moscow. london to istanbul. now bear in mind what these searchers have to do, chris. they have to fly from here in moderate to difficult weather. they have to get out of here. so you are already looking at a fuel burn, a question of how long you can stay in the sky. you look at all those sort of issues. you search for as long as you can, an hour or two and then you have to fly back to perth. it's a distance of about 1500 miles. and they've obviously got this

merchant ship in the region. >> a norwegian merchant ship says they'll help volunteer with the search. they were first to this zone where they were looking. that information is four days old but they've had to use the math to coordinate where it would be now. >> to do that you're talking about where would the route have been on this southern arc. how would it have come from up there, right the way down here and where -- even if this debris is found and, you know, the merchant ship can't find it, the p-3 that's been up overnight can't find it. so far let's assume they do manage to find it. you are then working on, where did it come from? it's about, roughly, 25 planes, 18 ships in this vast area. but, chris, as the searchers said from the oil -- from the search authority says, this is -- i don't want to be disrespectful, but this is the end of the earth. this is absolutely middle of nowhere. >> they are saying it's the most challenging of all things. it's far. it's remote. and it's very deep. and you are in the storm season

so it's inclimate there as well. they are benefiting from warmer weather. it's a tough set of constraints. >> you have searchers. you have these planes coming and -- planes and boats coming from all the way up in japan, right up in the north. right the way down. you have them coming from india, from malaysia, indonesia. you've got all this -- these assets coming into the area, even the uk is sending assets and the united states here as well. the u.s., of course, they transferred many of their air assets to perth, specifically for this reason. they moved them to perth so they would be able to have a range to search this area. but i don't think anybody really expected that they were going to have to actually search. >> that it would go this far in this amount of time. >> no. >> as one searcher put it, this

is bold. it is deep. and it is remote. >> and it is on the outer most arc of what they were drawing there in the realm of possibility of search areas but also, another caveat here about why it's a possibility why it's just a lead. it's the right word because it's going to be, where it leads. this would be just the beginning of the search not where the plane landed. >> and also look what they are looking at over here. you are talking about really -- i mean, 24 meters by five meters. two different areas. one theory now going around this morning is that actually, you know, i don't want to be the person to bring bad news by any means but there is a suggestion that these are cargo. >> right. >> unusually large cargo containers. >> indra petersons has been looking at that. not areas of expertise. but they are usually smaller than this. there are some this size. there are these gyres they are talking about, which is sweeping currents. does catch a lot of sea debris. could be a container.

>> but what we really come down to with all of this, bearing in mind what the searchers said last night and what the head of the authority and what the prime minister of australia said, this -- having started way up here, what this really comes down to is the best lead they've got. and it may be remote. it may be tangeiental, but this is the best lead they've got at the moment. >> and it also, to be frank, is pretty thech first also they've had. they've been triangulating a lot of data. in terms of feel like they have something to go out and look at, this is somewhat unique in the scope of this search. we qualify it because that's the reasonable thing to do under these circumstances. to call it a lead would to be call it a possibility. and that's really the fairest assessment at this point. and even if everything lines up, all the guess work and they are right, they are still only at the beginning. at least a sign. nobody wants this information, though bittersweet, than the

families. they'll be paying attention to this very closely. richard will be here throughout the morning. let's get back to kate in kuala lumpur with the latest on how family members are deal with the evolution of this. kate? >> thanks, chris. for the families of the passengers on that flight, it's been now an almost nearly two-week, just full of -- two weeks long of a nightmare. they are angry, frustrated and feeling helpless. david mckenzie is in beijing where many of the families have gathered. david, how are the families cope with the news of this possibility? >> well, one man just came out of a conference room here, and he said he doesn't believe that this evidence shows that the plane has been found. he's convinced that the plane landed somewhere and that perhaps it was hijacked and that his loved one is okay. so people still clinging on to hope here in beijing. hundreds of the families waiting in this hotel. they've been doing it for more than a week, of course, kate. and they are really not saying much in terms of whether they

think this is or isn't the final answer for them. of course, malaysian authorities tonight saying in the region saying that they want to give information, they want closure for the families, but that information, they just cannot give them at this time. as richard said, it's a lead, at best. it's a credible lead. but they're waiting here and wanting to know more. there are ambulances on the scene and a dozen paramedics in case the news comes. some psychologists saying because of all these changes in the story from leads to leads to disappearing that when the news comes, they believe that the news will be so traumatic that it could be overwhelming. so it's a case of waiting and being ready to help when that news does finally arrive if it does. chris, back to you. >> for the families, it's going to be difficult to hear just about anything that comes out of it and to be certain, the waiting is probably more painful than anything else.

let's get more perspective on this and bring in 777 pilot mr. les from des moines, iowa. our pilot and form er captain. les, good to have you. david, good to have you. let's just kind of reset here and get a sense yf this is even a possibility. les, i'll start with you. once they put together the satellite handshakes and radar pings and what they know about the turn and what they heard from thailand about whether or not they had any record of this plane, flight 370 entering their air space, they wound up having two main ideas about what could happen. one was the plane took off from about here and then started to go north. and the other one was that it went south. they are focusing on south. let's talk about why. why is north less plausible based on what we know at this point? >> well, you know, it's hard to say. everything, of course, as we speculation. but if we had the scenario with

a mechanical situation that i've been speculating about, that, you know, the airplane crew got overcome by potentially smoke or hypoxia situations. it's likely the plane may have continued on that westerly heading and then perhaps on its own started, because of winds, may have jet stream type winds may have started to turn itself toward the south. >> fair point of observation, david, let me bring you in here. if it had gone north, the big rationale for why that is less plausible for people in the investigation is that we would have known. someone would have said something if it had entered that type of air space between the sophistication of india and pakistan and the paranoia and all the sovereignty issues and people on the ground that the idea of it landing seems to be as remote as any possibility. fair appraisal? >> absolutely. the likelihood that this airplane is on the ground by

landing somewhere is virtually no. far more likely it did go south. otherwise we'd have other collaborating data points. now if it turns out this debris is from the airplane, the best news is now that we can bring in our very sophisticated signals intelligence airplanes that will be able to hear the pinger from those flight data recorder and digital -- excuse me, the cockpit voice recorders that they are sending out the signal. if we can get a hit on that, now it's more like an air france situation where we're strictly in the recovery effort. however, the only easy day was going to be yesterday under the conditions on the ocean that they'll have to work. >> the one up side indra petersons was telling us about, the water is unseasonably warm for those holding out hope for survivablity. but you mention air france. in that situation, found the plane relatively quickly. took years, though, to recover things. given how fast this debris is moving under this current

operating assumption they are using. finding the black box could be dozens and dozens of miles away if not more. that wouldn't have floated at all. in all likelihood would have sunk unless the tail is floating. >> i doubt very much the tail would even be floating. it continued west and then impacted the water somewhere over here and then some of the pieces started to drift that direction. >> fair point. no reason to know that there's a better chance that if the plane was going this way and that's really where the end of fact is and the beginning of speculation. it could have landed here just as easily as it landed here as as well as anywhere else. >> i don't think the velocity of the current as it is two weeks worth of time. >> now something else, david, weigh in on this. going from perth to this area, again, if all the guess work is right, all the speculation is right, they are going about 1500 nautical miles in unpleasant conditions. >> right. >> we know that there's dozens

of aircraft involved and a lot of ships. a norwegian merchant vessel is in the area. how much searching can you do over that distance? what are the constraints? >> you have about 12 hours of fuel on the aircraft and the crew can -- efficiency takes you 3, 3 1/2 hours to get to the site. maybe 3 hours on station. 4 hours tops. and then you have to fly back to perth sfld some reserve fuel when you arrive. it's not optimum. if they are 50 miles off the coast you have a lot more on station time to look. and that's true whether you're flying a p3 or helicopter. the distance has become much more -- you'd have to have a ship to take the helicopters out there so they can operate. it's logistically a much more challenging effort at that point. i think really bring in the naval experts on this to answer these questions. >> it's going to be about being -- it's going to be about being in the water at the end of the day. theets in sa that's the safe analysis.

>> les, how close do you have to be to hear and pick up the pinging of the box? >> that's above my pay grade. i think -- >> we know it's 30 days in duration of the battery life. >> my understanding, i think it's anywhere from 5 to 9 miles. >> so you have to be close. >> you have to be very close. >> and the margins are so broad here. they could be off dozens of miles. >> they believe these two pieces of debris are 15 miles apart. just that, the scale is huge here. constraints are huge. >> and it may be submerged. after four days. >> they know these pieces of debris are partially floating, may be partially submerged. they have to factor that into all their calculations about how quickly these things are moving through the water. very sophisticated very quickly and the block box almost assuredly if it hit the water would sink. that's why this is just being called a lead which for any other term is just a possibility as opposed to probability. les, david, thank you. when we come back, from the

waters off the coast of australia, back to the cockpit of flight 370. what could these new developments mean for the investigation into what happened on board that plane? we're going to talk with two people who spent their careers investigating some of the biggest aviation cases of our time and get their take coming up.

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21 minutes past the hour. welcome back to "new day." we are tracking this breaking news this morning in the ongoing search for malaysia airlines flight 370. these two images are the two objects spotted on radar in the indian ocean. they are -- were seen spotted about 1500 miles off the southwestern coast of australia.

want to discuss these images and what they potentially could mean. let's bring in jeffrey beatty, the former fbi special agent, delta force officer and former cia counterterrorism officer. steve moore is also with us joining us from l.a. a retired supervisory fbi agent, also a pilot. i want to ask you both, this new information, the satellite image, is it hopeful? does it make you hopeful? >> it makes me hopeful, but also cautious. because you know, we got excited once before when the chinese provided an image. i have a feeling that we've seen a degraded image so the image others have looked at is probably better than what we're seeing. >> i heard you mention that earlier in the hour. i think it bears repeating. >> you know -- >> you don't want to show all your cards. >> you don't want to show your true capability. it's funny. the government has to have the best imagery throughout yet we're bringing in commercial satellites to get better imagery. so, that just tells you that

there are national security interests always running in the background. >> and steve, that's obviously something the layman doesn't know much about but we certainly have an imagination so we can run with that. is there anything to this notion, some are saying they have the prime minister of australia announce that to his parliament. that speaks to them feeling this information was a good lead, a credible lead. what does it say to you? >> it says that it is probably something that they are willing to put their weight on finally. everything else up until now has been kind of speculation. i think the malaysians have been doing that quite a bit. they'll get some little bit of evidence and send it out there as concluesory because they don't want to appear like they are doing nothing when really there hasn't been a lot to go on. so i think this is a sign that they have something that they are comfortable with. >> so we know four aircraft have been sent out to the area.

reports emerging two came back essentially empty handed without spotting the debris. we also know they are certainly up against challenges. talk about the international investigation. we know that this is a joint effort, to say the least, steve. >> well, it's a joint effort, but i ran a fly team that worked in an area of the world and the problem we had was that these countries do not want the fbi coming in and helping them. they need the help but they don't want it. the problem is, they are afraid of bicatch. what else are we going to see while we're there. and there's a lot of sensitivities to it. when i was investigating the jw marriott explosion at -- in jakarta, we had like four agents allowed to come in. simply because of sensitivities about that. so it's not easy investigating in that part of the world. >> jeffrey, we've seen how these

layers of sensitivity, we've talked about the cultural differences between some of these nations. in the investigation there was criticism within the malaysian government. now australia is the one taking the lead on this part of the effort because it was the corridor they were searching. do you think that will change it because it's coming from the australians or that brings another layer of differences that we might not expect here in america? >> i think, you know, the australian cultural perspective in approaching these things is closer to what americans are used to than what might happen in malaysia. so i think it will be also smart on the part of the malaysians to recognize that they are leading a coalition, a team. it's a combined joint operation. and so very appropriate for them to say we've asked australia to look and take this lead down in this part of the world. please continue to do so. but australia has also been very respectful and the prime minister in fact, calling his malaysian counterpart well in advance to let him know we're going to announce this.

here's the imagery we have. so, you know, it's not necessarily always perfectly smooth, but i think good cooperation, all these nations involved, it's going pretty good really. >> troubling this three or four-day delay in releasing the satellite images, too, or is that par for the course in this kind of investigation? >> you know, i'll defer to some others on par for the course for that. my comment would be, i can anticipate some delay due to the national security sensitivities and as steve was saying, it's not just the americans that have those sensitivities, but it's every other country that we deal with. you know, they have a tendency to recognize their own personal national security needs, and they don't want to show what they can and probably more importantly what they can't do to another country. >> that's a fair point to be made. jeffrey beatty, steve moore, thank you for joining us. both gentlemen have spent time in searches like these and you

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this is cnn breaking news. >> good morning again, everyone. i'm kate bolduan joining you from kuala lumpur this morning. it's day 13 of the search for malaysia flight 370. we want to get you up to date on this morning's search for debris

spotted by australian satellites. four planes went out in search of the debris. all have left the site without spotting anything in the water. a norwegian ship has also reached the area. almost 1500 miles off the coast. no word yet if what they spotted, if anything. still authorities say this is their best lead yet. nothing definitive, of course, we should of course caution. australian officials say those two objects seen in the southern indian ocean could be debris from the aircraft. the pictures are four days old but the debris was captured near the search corridor. so officials are take something interest, of course. the debris is a long way from where the plane first made a hard left on its way to beijing. it's about 3300 miles south of where the plane went -- may have gone off course. you can see there it's an area surrounded by nothing but water. we'll continue to follow all these developments, chris, along with you. back to you for now in new york. >> obviously the focus is on finding the plane but it doesn't

matter to anyone as much as it matters to the loved ones and family of the 239 souls on board flight 370. one of them joining us now. sarah bajak. you are looking at her partner, her fiance there, philip wood. the only american adult on board. she's in beijing this morning. thank you for joining us, sarah. what does this information about maybe finding debris, the best lead yet, how does this strike you? >> it strikes me as just one more lead that may or may not come true. so it's enough to make us all anxious again after a couple of days of quiet, but you know, i'm cautiously messist. ic that it's not a piece of the plane. >> cautiously pessimistic. you said not knowing is the most difficult part. you aren't an investigator but you have intuition. you continue to believe that there is a reality for the people on that plane. and what is it?

>> well, i keep hoping that somebody took this flight for a reason, which means they would have preserved it and tried to hide it some place, tried to take it some place. so if this debris is indeed part of that plane, then it kind of dashes that wishful thinking to pieces. so i really hope it's not a part of the plane, but, you know, if it is, then at least we can go down another path of deciding that, hmm, maybe we need to start preparing for another scenario instead. >> i don't think anybody can argue with keeping hope alive until there's absolute reason to do anything otherwise. you and your fiance philip were getting ready to be married, obviously, by suggestion of fiance. you've packed clothes in anticipation of seeing him again. tell me about that. >> well, first of all, i'm not sure where the word fiance came

from me.ause it's never come - i mean, we're domestic partners. we've been together for 2 1/2 years and have made the decision to stay together but having both come out of very long-term prior marriages we're just kind of taking it slow right now. so that word came from somebody other than me, but it doesn't matter because he's my life partner and i don't quite -- i don't have a plan of what i'm going to do if he doesn't come back. >> life partner, i think, says it best anyway. so let's go with that. it's not only accurate but sounds right as well. so you are waiting for news about your partner. it's been frustrating. this search is about as complicated as you get because of what is known and unknown. while there's international cooperation, some two dozen countries, there's a lot of politics involved as well. do you feel that you are being treated fairly by those investigating the situation?

>> i don't necessarily think the people investigating the situation are particularly caring about what the families feel like. they are caring about finding the plane. and that's probably as it should be. they should keep their focus there. but the way that the international investigators have been working together is kind of like a bunch of teenage girls running around a locker room all trying not to show each other what they've got. it's kind of a false sense of modesty and if, you know, we would have had a little more disclosure and a little bit more open cooperation earlier in the cycle, we might be at a completely different place now. i mean, 13 days. that's a long time to have something so big just disappear. >> and it is an eternity for those waiting for loved ones and word of where they are and how they are. everybody can understand that for all the confusion there is in this situation. let me ask you, what were you told about what's being called this best lead so far? were you briefed?

what did they tell you? >> no, i don't actually get any formal briefings. i've never yet heard from the u.s. officials or malaysian or chinese. i hear from the news. so one of the side benefits of engaging with the media is now i have lots of people on my side, and i get lots of text messages as soon as there's anything interesting. and in general, that's where i get my news. and so far, that's proven to be the most direct path. it takes forever for malaysian airlines to follow through on -- i think they called me at 3:30 this afternoon. >> that's a little concerning. that's a little concerning as a representative of one of these families involved. we're happy to pass on information here at cnn. why do you think they aren't communicate with you more? it should be a priority.

the only thing i'll differ is the family should be a priority. you need to know these answers most, most would suggest. why do you think they aren't getting to you? why do you think that is? >> well, i think -- so i would distinguish from the investigators and from malaysian airlines. the investigators are government and malaysian airlines is a relatively small company and a relatively small country, and it's -- i've flown it many, many times. it's one of the best airlines in southeast asia. but the reality is they aren't equipped to handle something like this and i think they are completely overwhelmed. so the lack of communication from the airline is actually understandable. they are doing their best. they're trying not to release information until it's been proven, which is a step better than a lot of the media, but it is frustrating because it's always kind of after the fact. and then it's very watered down. all the details are missing. >> has to be terribly frustrating. here on "new day" at cnn, we'll

continue to test what comes out of the investigation. we'll pass on anything that we know. certainly we don't want to send you down roads of false speculation. that's not helpful. sarah, thank you for joining us this morning. we hope you get the news you're looking for. we'll stay in touch. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. we're going to take a break here on "new day." whin we come back, on the water in the air, search crews racing to get eyeballs on this debris in the southern indian ocean off the coast of australia. we'll head to kuala lumpur for the latest on the investigation when we come back. [ male announcer ] this is jim. a man who doesn't stand still. but jim has afib, atrial fibrillation, an irregular heartbeat not caused by a heart valve problem. that puts jim at a greater risk of stroke. for years, jim's medicine tied him to a monthly trip to the clinic to get his blood tested. but now, with once-a-day xarelto jim's on the move.

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this debris that's been seen is the plane and i still think that my loved ones are alive and i still think that this plane is intact somewhere. we want more answers. you'll keep hearing that and hearing that and understandably so. they've been on this arc that keeps going up and down. >> such a roller coaster. >> complete roller coaster. and some of them have sort of pulled back from all of this and every time they hear information, they try to block it a little bit because their emotions have been so pulled to extremes that they just can't take it anymore. >> just along that line it sounded like sarah bajc who was talking to chris, she seemed to be dealing with that. she was holding out hope. cautiously pessimistic because she has hope that philip will be -- that they will be reunited. this hour, officials are supposed to be in a briefing with some of the family members of the missing passengers at a hotel in kuala lumpur that

should be going on as we speak. what more information will they learn i wonder. >> we have the press conference. they released all the information they were able to release. all of that mostly coming from australia and then giving the logistics. who is going where. the southern corridor is the place to be. they subject all their ships and almost all of the aircraft to that area. so that gives you an idea of how seriously they're taking this information and where they think there might be some debris from this plane or that they think that this is a really important area they'll find something. but what they are going to tell the families, i think some of this is just so the families can vent and talk through the questions that they have so they don't feel left out of the process. and you've been hearing that from the families. you've been hearing they feel they are the last to know or they are getting their information off television. they want to be in the know as much as possible but ultimately, and i think the acting transportation minister put it the best. what the families want, we don't have. we don't know where this plane is right now.

>> that's absolutely right. they also said today that malaysian airlines, they decided they aren't sending their own representatives down to perth or to the area until there's confirmation this is the debris. and also that leads me to wonder, wilma laborian airlines fly the families down? i would assume they would want to be there. >> and that's the false hope thing. i think malaysian airlines looks n says unless and until we know that there is a definite with this particular area and a definite with these pieces, we're going to keep the families here. and if we find out, yes, this is part of mh-370, we send the families. and representatives from malaysian airlines, obviously, go. maybe they'll be talking through that with the families. they will probably be asked, why have you decided this? if there's any clue or any chance, shouldn't we be there? these are some of the issues they'll be talking through when they meet with the representatives from the government. >> as night falls here on kuala lumpur, our viewers are waking

up in the united states. another night it seems, though some kind of a credible lead, another night that these families will have to go either sleepless or at least knowing they just don't have the answer they want yet. we'll be covering it together. sara, great to see you. let's head back to new york with john berman. >> five things you need to know for your new day. no sign as kate mentioned of the debris spotted by australian satellites that could be -- could be from malaysian airlines flight 370. four planes have now flown over the search zone today. a ship is near that zone as well. about 1500 miles from perth. ukraine pulling troops out of crimea. ukraine's u.n. ambassador is concerned about a further russian military incursion into ukrainian territory. georgia investigators received an anonymous e-mail reporting claims of a confession in the death of kendrick johnson. he was found rolled up in a gym

mat. they've subpoenaed internet records to find the source of that e-mail. first lady michelle obama is in china along with daughter sasha and malia and her own mother. she said she will stress the importance of education for young people. in and then a new dinosaur has been identified. a 500-pound, 11-foot tall raptor with a beak and feathers. it's nicknamed the chicken from hell. it roamed across the dakotas some 66 million years ago. we're always updating the five things you need to know. go to new day.cnn.com for the latest. >> did you say free range? >> it roamed across the dakotas with no barriers so free range chicken. >> a little surprise j.b. didn't pop out some latin there. >> thanks so much. coming up next on "new day," those large floating objects in the vast indian ocean. could they really be from flight 370? no one has a real look yet.

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welcome back to "new day." it's being called the biggest lead yet in the disappearance of flight 370. again, it is just a lead. we don't know what these objects are. in fact, no one does. until we get a closer look, we really only can take a virtual look at what we know. tom foreman joins us from washington with a virtual look at this area they are looking at. >> we said all day yesterday the real place to focus was that area off of australia because it was getting so much attention and because u.s. officials had been unwavering in the idea that of these two arcs described by the satellite data, the southern arc was the one to watch. and indeed, that's where the news has appeared. but the difference between this being a lead and this being something real is a whole different matter. let's break down some of the possibilities on the debris here. here's the stuff they found. we've been looking at these images overnight. you can look at that and say there's just not a whole lot to

tell there but there is surrounding data which may offer some clues here. first of all, let's look at what might matter here. credibility. we know that the government there came out and spoke about this. they don't want to look wrong. no government does. so that in the first place is sort of a trust me category. if officials say trust us, this is worth looking at, that matters. but there remains doubt. we know what happened with the chinese debris. nothing came of it. what's another factor to consider sneer sihere? size. size is both a pro and a con here. it's a pro because this is a big plane and it can produce big pieces like that. and you can spot them. about 200 feet end to end. about 200 feet side to side. the biggest piece they found was around 78 feet long. a little bit longer. can you get something like that out of a plane like this? yes you can. that's a pro. it's a big process you can spot it, analyze it from a satellite image and say we think we have

something. here's the con. it came up with the chinese images and already with this as well. if it's that big and it came from this plane, how can it float for 12 days out here? that's a big question. there are many things on a plane like this that would float. seat cushions and rafts and all sorts of debris, but a 78-foot piece of the framework of this plane, you have to have very certain circumstances to come together to make it float. it's not exactly floating so that brings us to the third area where you have a pro and a con. the location. the location is right but locating it is now a big challenge because it's slightly below the surface. this is an area where the seas can be very stormy and that can be a problem. and if it's below the surfarks people keep talking about these pingers. let's talk about what this means when you get closer. why don't you just drop something in the water and look for this.

the pingers are ultra sonic pingers that actually have an optimal range of maybe a couple of miles. we've been talking about the warmth of the water. that produces thermoclimbs. layers of different temperatures in the water. that also affects the ability of these pingers to be heard. so even though they now have a satellite image, even though they have an idea of where that came from, as we've already seen, actually finding these pieces is a big challenge. actually recovering them is the next one. and then figuring out if they belong with this plane is yet another. especially in an area where there's a lot of sea garbage. a lot of stuff that can confuse the issue. on top of which they are 14 miles apart. does the proximity, does that location mean they are related? it could but 14 miles is still a pretty big area even if there's a lot of other debris around it. those are some of the pros and cons they have to be looking at. and it remains a lead as you pointed out, but just a lead at

this moment. one with a lot of cautions. >> and the fact is they have to get there first. that's the biggest challenge is given how the conditions are. tom foreman, thanks for that look. fantastic. >> just finding what they think they saw several days ago is probably a 50/50 proposition. but we'll follow it as the news requires. coming up on "new day," the latest on this potential breakthrough. we're calling it a lead because that's what the australian prime minister called it. the best lead so far. nothing best about finding out what happened to this plane if it's bad information. that's for sure. we'll take you through what's known so far and why when "new day" returnses. ♪

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♪ ♪ welcome back. kate will continue her reporting on 370. but it's now time for "newsroom" with carol costello. >> thanks so much. "newsroom" starts now. happening now in the "newsroom," is this it? >> we now have a credible lead. >> brand new satellite images taken more than