all are banned from traveling to russia. markets are feeling the ripple effect from janet yellen's policy meeting. stocks are up about 117 points right now. that's it for me. thanks for watching. i will be back at 5:00 eastern for the two-hour edition of the situation room. newsroom starts with brooke baldwin right now. >> wolf blitzer, thank you. i will take it right here. great to be with you on this thursdays we continue on this hunt for flight 370. take a look at this. these images right here, they have just changed everything. five days ago now the satellite spotted these objects 14 miles apart. these images have been scrutinized and analyzed with final low released to the public. >> this is a lead. it is probably the best lead we have right now. we need to get there and find

them and see them and assess them to know whether it's meaningful or not. >> caution in every word there, but the bottom line, flight 370 could be resting 1500 miles off the coast of australia in the unforgiving waters of the southern indian ocean. of course until they find these objects, whatever this is, we can't be sure about this. but let's stick with what we are sure of. one of the objects is huge. this here about 24 meters long or 79 feet long. the other is similar. five meters and 16 feet. the find was announced by the prime minister as planes were immediately dispatched to scour the area. where they think this debris may now be. here's the other factor. while the weather and effectually nightfall, that ended the search, but we are learning a merchant norwegian ship is there searching the area

using the high powered lights they have and as the search is continuing to figure out what the heck this is, let's go back to the families. we cannot forget the families who have just been told about this possible debris find. some of them not wanting to believe this is how the search could end. >> it's enough to make us all anxious again after a couple days of quiet, but i'm cautiously pessimistic that it's not a piece of the plane. i keep hoping that somebody took this flight for a reason. they would have preserved it and tried to hide it someplace. tried to take it someplace. if this debris is indeed part of that plane, then that dashes that wishful thinking to pieces. >> after the families are wondering and waiting for confirmation on what this possible debris is, a development now that may lead to some answers about how or why

this missing airliner went off course. let's go to washington for that to renee marsh. this new nugget we have learned has to do with the pilot's at home flight simulator we talked so much about. what are you learning about that? >> a u.s. official told cnn the fbi team examining the computer hard drive and flight simulator software belonging to the pilot, they are confident that they will be able to recover at least some of the deleted information. investigators are working on that at the fbi headquarters. they are in the very early stages of trying to retrieve the files. they did not give any timeline on how long this could take. >> they will be able to find some of the what is deleted. they will get to that. number two, you have learned how key of a role the ntsb and faa would be. possible debris here.

>> right. we were dealing with a massive search area here to north and the south. the ntsb and faa compiled all of the relevant data. they considered water movement and radar that showed the path of the plane and assumed the plane's speed. from all that was, they derived a possible search area in the southern part of the indian ocean. now today we have the satellite images which you are looking at. it shows images of possible debris from that plane. authorities say what makes these images so credible is that it places the debro in the same general area as where the ntsb and faa data said that plane may have made its last known satellite connection. those australian authorities say why this is credible, the estimated size of the debris. it said that the largest piece, about 78 feet and the others are

smaller, but all in the same area. that could indicate a debris field. i want to show you something here. we have been using this. this is the best time to use this. it demonstrates what we are talking about here. the largest debris is 78 feet and could be a piece of a 777. you talk about the 777, we know the wing is nearly 200 feet. if this plane at a certain speed crashes into the water, that is the equivalent of crashing into concrete. this will break apart. 78 feet size of debris could be a part of the wing or a part of the tail. this is about 60 feet. however it doesn't break along the seems. usually if this plane is going to break, it will break not along the seems because the seems are very reinforced. it wouldn't be a neat break like this, but part of the tail and perhaps a part of the fuselage.

if this is 60 feet, part of the fuselage would make it about 78 feet. all speculation because they won't know anything until they get up close. >> it could be part of a shipping container or a ship even though this is not an often traveled route. they are trying to find the debris first and foremost. so many questions. let's keep the conversation going with new york oceanographer arnold gordon and jennifer gray here in studio with me with the cnn weather center. we have a lot for you and just help me out. i appreciate you helping me out. we will get to current and ocean depth. first the obvious, the weather. it's about six hours away from sunrise in this part of the world. will the weather cooperate? >> so many moving parts. the weather was trouble yesterday. we had a front move through and visibility was low. clouds in the area and that was a problem yesterday. that has moved out. things are going to improve

through the next 24 hours and even 48 hours. we will be looking at that. i will show you the maps and we will look at the satellite and you can see these clouds have moved off to the north and east. this was part of the front and as that moves out, clear skies right now. rain forecasted for 24 to 48 hours and most to the north and east which is excellent news. looking at wind that can be a huge factor in this area. this area is known for very, very strong winds. winds are not expected to get above 20 to 25 miles per hour as we go through the next 48 hours. that is great, great news. roaring 40s and furious 50s. we can really, really whip up good news and it will stay calm over the next couple of days. >> i'm coming back to you and i want you to be a part of this

conversation. jump in. here's the 50 question to you. beyond the weather, what are the other difficulties and the other challenges searching. the latest numbers we have, 20 ships. 35 aircraft. all will be helping in this area to try to figure out what the heck that stuff is. >> the debro was found north of the strongest currents which flow from west to east. where the debris is, you can be a current of maybe about a half mile an hour and 12 hours. 24 hours, you move 12 miles towards the east. however i think the bigger problem has to do with the weather. the high winds and these waves are large in that area. i have been in that area many times and waves are more than 20 feet. that is going probably have the

larger effect and moving the debris towards the northeast at one or two miles an hour. the photographs i believe were four days ago. >> four going into five. they would have to trace back where it would have been from that origin to have drifted to then trace further back if it is debris to find the plane in the first place. when we talk about the currents, also what we know, this is a vast part of the world where parts of the ocean are x deep and parts are like to nine empire state buildings stacked. >> it's very, very deep. just like on the surface, you have the mountains under the ocean as well. some of these areas are 10 or 12,000 feet deep. you have to stack like you said to nine empire state buildings on top of each other in order to get to that depth.

that puts it into perspective. we have been talking about the ocean currents. it's interesting. i have a map that shows that. these are high rezilation and it looks like a bunch of colors right now. if we zoom in, the red is going down. those are strong currents. you see red arrows going up. those are strong currents. the lighter shades of green are where the wreckage is possible. it is in an area where there not that many currents, but all that has to happen is the storm system moves through and strong winds move through and it can move this 10 or 20 miles away and all of a sudden you necessary a current going up or down. if it got at the current, it will be hard to find. with all these arrows going in the different directions, who knows where it is. >> when we talk about the variables and the currents, i'm sitting here wondering if they

are lucky enough to find the debris, they can confirm it's from the plane, how the heck do you find the plane? >> it's going to be difficult. for the most part, the currents are moving towards the east. you have the strong waves. and white caps from the ship. you can really only see about five or seven miles with the high waves. from the aircraft, the white caps they are going to obscure much of the debris. it's not going to be easy to find. i think it's going to be 100 miles to the east or northeast or so. that will be the direction that i think the waves and wind will carry it. it's going to be hard. you have to be within a few miles to see it. not going to be easy. the typography there over the mid-ocean ridge. 3,000 meters and 9,000 feet

more. it's very rugged typography out there. finding the debro. it will be a challenge that will take a long time. if this is it. thank you both very, very much. i keep checking my twitter and you all so engaged in the story. all the questions continue. about the plane live. you keep the tweets coming and at the hash tag 370 qs and we will have the pilots answer your questions on the show. three possible way this is plane could have hit water and what the debris could tell us about the impact. plus, the families waiting for word. they are hoping this news is not real. you will see the reaction when the news came in and hear from an in earn who said her partner who was a passenger is still alive. ameriprise asked people a simple question: in retirement, will you outlive your money?

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. you are watching special live coverage of missing malaysian flight 370. these families have wait and waited and still no answers. today at a hotel in beijing, families gathered closely around a large screen and had a daily briefing hanging on every word made by australian officials. they listened to yet another possible lead to the worldwide mystery. australian officials said the two objects captured on satellite may be from the missing flight, but that announcement was met with a loud sigh from the families in the room. one woman whose partner was on board said it's just more of the same. in fact she took it further and

said the invest gatigat gators acting like teenage girls. >> it may or may not come true. it's enough to make us all anxious after a couple days of quiet, but i'm cautiously pessimistic it's not a piece of the plane. the way that international investigators have been working is like a bunch of teenage girls running around a locker room trying not to show each other what they have got. >> we are told some of the elderly in beijing have reported suicidal thoughts because their sole children as a result of the one-child policy were aboard that plane. a father whose son was on the flight. >> translator: i can't sleep each night because all i think about is my son. until now, what else can we do.

this is about his flight. there is nothing you can do to help. we can only wait for further updates. >> is this the hardest thing you have ever had to go through? >> translator: this is the first time in my life to experience something like this. in the past, i just watched other people's stories on the news. i watched explosions, ships sink, and plane accidents. those other other people's stories and this time it is my turn for bad luck to actually experience this. this is not watching news. it is living it. >> do you believe your son is alive? >> translator: i firmly believe my son together with everyone on board will all survive. >> what message do you have for your son? >> translator: come back quickly. you have made everyone in the family very nervous. everyone in the family is waiting for you to return. he has to come back. with everyone on board.

he can't come back by himself. >> speaking with that father there in beijing. coming up in the wake of the breaking news with the possible debris, we are looking at the possibility that no one was at the controls of the plane at all. my next guest said even if the plane was on auto pilot, there three possible ways it could have landed or crash landed into the water. they will tell us what the debris will say about a possible crash landing. two pretzels. put in on my capital one venture card. i earn unlimited double miles. not bad. can i get your autograph mr. barkley? sure kid. man my fans they love me. that's the price you pay for being world famous. he meant sign the receipt, fool. greg anthony. haha. hey man, could you sign my hat? he wants my autograph. earn unlimited double miles with no blackout dates from the capital one venture card. what's in your wallet?

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. in the hunt for missing malaysia airlines 370, we are tracking every angle of the best

lead yet. that's this. see these pictures? two grapey satellite images may show possible debris from the missing plane. two objects detected in remote and turbulent waters nearly 1500 miles off the australian coast in the indian ocean. this possible debris may help explain what happened to flight 370 if in fact it is from the plane. let's talk about that with will pilot and aviation expert mr. car. welcome. >> thank you. >> let's begin with the three different scenarios you have outlined as far as how this plane if in fact it was the plane in this part of the world hitting the water, what are the scenarios. >> one would be a controlled situation where the pilots are in control and it would be similar to what you had with the sullenberger incident on the hudson river.

that one was ended up the airplane was not damaged at all. you could have another situation where the same scenario where the pilots are under control and it does break up into pieces. another one, less likely from the standpoint that it could glide into the water without any control by the pilot. the third one was where you would run out of fuel and the aircraft would probably just nose over and into the water in a vertical status where the airplane would -- one guess would be that the airplane would come down and you would have it like hitting a brick wall. just crumbling and going together. pieces may break off or not. >> we are kind of working backwards. if this is debris from the plane, we know the investigators

can take a look at the debris and from the debris figure out how the plane went down and it could be one of the scenarios you laid out. >> it could be that, yes. depending upon what -- i'm not a crash expert as far as debris is concerned, but there people out there who can do that and once they have done that, they can most likely determine what the impact nature of the aircraft happened with the water. >> what about this? a lot of people with the possibility and the fact that all these jurisdictions are heading to this part of the world because this is where they were thinking the plane could have landed. if the plane was on auto pilot and the plane continued and everyone was incapacitated and runs out of fuel, would it just drop and hit the water? or would it go at an angle?

>> given the fact that it's at a certain speed, it will produce a certain amount of lift. when that airplane runs out of fuel, the forward motion is probably going to slow down somewhat. the airplane is going nose over. if it can maintain depending on what the airplane was trimmed to, the airplane could have an angle such that it could be less steep and angle slowly down and impact the water that way. >> which is best case scenario. wouldn't the debris be more intact and thus helping investigators? >> it if it glides down, it will be less steep hitting the water in which case it might stay intact and might be more pieces available to search for the pattern. if it comes down at a steep angle like the one i'm thinking of with the situation where the

airplane was on auto pilot and ran out of fuel and nosed over and came down steep, there wasn't much aircraft left of that situation. >> all possibilities when and if they find this and connect it, that it is in fact the plane, all scenarios we will be looking at closely. thank you so much. coming up next, this development. we are continuing to discuss. it gives more credence to the theory that the plane did fly for hours and hours before it ran out of fuel. what about the black box? what would the black box tell us and how would crews track that down? plus martin savage and mitchell are live in the flight simulator in which a plane would continue to glide and glide for hours. we will watch that. you are watching cnn's special coverage. predicting the future is a pretty difficult thing to do. but, manufacturing in the united states means advanced technology.

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. >> let's get you caught up on the rapidly moving developments. the hunt for flight 370. it is in the middle of the night in the southern hemisphere where it's spotlighted at the moment. the search for the two objects bobbing in the indian ocean is continuing. i can tell you that a norwegian merchant cargo vessel has taken the night shift with high powered lights and binoculars to

hunt for what could be parts of this missing flight 370. they are looking for these two tiny specks here. tiny for us from this perspecti perspective. one of them 79 feet long and the other about 16 feet in length. what if they turned out to be pieces of this plane? listen to this theory. a commercial jet pilot from flying magazine. this is what he wrote in his opinion piece. while there a small number of possible scenarios at play here, the most likely it seems to me is that the airplane was flying on auto pilot without anyone at the controls and did so until it ran out of fuel and crashed into the ocean. let's take a closer look at this. martin savage is in our cockpit again today with his flight

instructor there. welcome back. let me begin. you have recreated this suspected path of this flight. what did you glean from that? >> right now as a matter of fact in the virtual world, we are about almost in the area where the debris was believed to be. 1400 miles south of australia. you want to peer out the window and look down as if you can help, but it wouldn't. let's talk about the auto pilot. we are on auto pilot. if you were to disengage it here, let me hear that alarm. there is an alarm that goes off and a notification here. i shut the warning off and you can show us you can cake over the control manually. the auto pilot is here and this is how it operate and

manipulated. you can tell he is flying the aircraft. however i can put it back on. and now you can see the auto pilot is back on. this plane will right itself and get it back on the course. get us to the last altitude and we don't have to touch a thing. could the theory that you talked about where it flies and flies and flies be real? yes, absolutely. once it deviate from the course, what the next course was. we don't know. it turned dramatically away, but we don't know the waypoint. presumably if it was load and turned this plane heading south, you can fly easily for six hours or more or until the fuel runs out. steady out anybody touching a thing. it would keep ongoing. >> that jives with how much fuel

was in the plane at that time. i want to bring in the pilot and chief who wrote that piece i quoted for cnn.com. here in the studio with me, welcome to you both. captain flying last year. let me begin with you. you have flown over this part of the world, right? you have looked down at the vastness. how remote are we talking? >> having flown over the pacific and atlantic, you have the feeling of somebody else being out there. there a lot of other airplanes with you within 50 or 60 miles. flying from cape to sing more, we saw virtually nothing on the surface. >> virtually nothing. >> there were ships and we knew also other airplanes, but none

nearby. seeing another airplane as we fly across the indian ocean was not a common occurrence. >> to you. let's focus on the two pieces of what could be possibly debro. could be pieces of a ship although this is not an often traveled route for a ship. the largest piece is 79 feet long and could be part of the plane. what could one learn from these pieces of debris as far as how the plane could have gone down. >> 125rz the pieces themselves, it's most likely they are pieces of the tail section or outward section of the wing. based on the size, it might be too big to be part of the tail. the wing is made with a great deal of chambers in it. it's something that could possibly float.

again, this is one of the jirs where the junk gets trapped and spun around for many years. the chances of it being part of the airplane, i don't know. i hope it is our first real clue in this mystery. if it is, we will probably be able to tell only that the airplane broke up and start piecing together the clues as to where the wreckage might lie based on the ocean currents and the amount of time that elapsed since the presumed crash. >> you bring up two things i would like to ask you about. the tail and the wing. we don't know what this is in the ocean, but now reading about aviation, you have fuel and a plane and a wing, correct? >> the wings sometimes the fuselage and occasionally the tail. >> so the possibility that it could be a wing if we go with the theory that it was auto pilot until it ran out of fuel

crashed. the possibility would be it could be part of a wing because it would be floating because there is no fuel. is that a possibility? >> it could be. the difficulty is trying to guess just how they separated from the rest of the airplane. there is a chance when the fuel ran out, the airplane was down to the surface of the ocean. there was a chance with a little bit of power left, the airplane tried to trim itself nose up as they dropped off until it got to a slow speed and became very difficult to control. >> tried to trim itself. the auto pilot left on it potentially. >> as the airplane slows down, if it's in a hold mode or something similar, it would tend to take the stabilizer trim which is what controls the pitch of the airplane under the auto pilot and try to run that nose

up to keep the airplane level until it runs out of authority to do that. plus when the imagines quit, they didn't quit symmetrically. >> before the other. >> right. there variations and fuel quantities in the tanks. ran dry if that's what happened before the other. now the airplane is a symmetrical and losing power. it may keep it going straight which controlled the airplane in there. >> i have more questions for you and the viewers have a lot of questions. stick around. thank you so much for writing that piece on cnn.com. keep your questions coming. hash tag it, 370 qs and we will

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. >> a jumbo jet might have gone off course without being tracked. it doesn't fit with our always connected mind set. i read the piece that you

assisted on. you asked the question, who is watching the sky. you are talking about infrastructure and radars who could have been together over decades and bits and pieces. it doesn't sound sophisticated to me. >> it's not in places. this is a network of radars and satellites and other things. it's not one eye in the sky watching everything. it will go to different countries at different times and different technologies and different abilities to operate as a result. we have this situation. >> you quote a very veteran accident investigator in your piece. in my business there is what they call a tombstone mentality. to get things done, you need blood on the ground. it's difficult to anticipate something going wrong.

that's disconcerting enough, but you make the point that there radar systems that are typically switched off. me why. >> they are expensive to operate and you need people to run them. let's bring this to the u.s. we are using radar to track planes which is line of sight, correct? >> you have to bounce it off a plane. this technology is ancient. we are using a system that is decades old. >> why? >> it takes a lot of money to get up to speed on the newest technology and the faa has a plan for instance called next jen that will use satellites to track planes, but that is estimated to cost $40 billion and will not be completed if it gets completed on time until 2025. just think about the network in the u.s. and all those airports and planes who have to put

satellite navigation in all of them. it's a big project. >> you brought up something i didn't know. you say not only is it possible for the pilot to turn off communications, but to disable the black box. >> we had a long investigation to this across numerous sources and we have information that you can do it through the circuit breakers. one thing pilots have to be able to do is have to be able to disable some of these systems on the air france crash, they were getting bad information from them. you have to be able to disconnect although the pilots were surprised they could do that. they didn't know they could. >> they didn't. that's interesting. thank you so much. coming up next as we talk about these experts and the pilots, they will take your questions about the plane. everything from parachutes to

the difference between cockpit and cabin. send me tweets and questions. #370 gs.

. >> you have questions and we have answers. rejoining me to discuss the editor in chief, also a pilot

and expert and retired pilot, welcome back. let's get right to it. the first question i will give to you, the question is, why don't we put floatation devices on all of the black boxes. it makes sense. good question. >> it is a really good question. i think that the question really is asking why we have the technology on these black boxes. and the answer is they were expensive to develop the technology and they are installed in thousands of airplanes. any time you mandate new equipment, there is a push back on that. the real answer is a satellite and data link where you link up the data and it gets downloaded by somebody on the landing. the advantage of doing that is you don't have to find the black boxes. you have the data and you know where the airplane is and where

to look for the recovery. it's high time we started doing this. we need better technology. question two, how can you get this one. why there is no parachute on seats of airplanes so if something happened, the passengers could parachute out of the bottom of the plane. i don't know if you would know how to parachute in the midst of an emergency, but you get to answer that. >> if there were a smaller plane, that might be a good option. a larger plane that has 400 or 500 people in there, how about the incapacitated person?

>> cynthia wants to know, are the pressure systems in the cabin and cockpit separate systems? can someone in the cockpit disable oxygen in the cabin? >> that's a great question. the answer is that the systems are not different. the entire front is a pressure vessel. the pilots have a number of safety devices at their disposal. they have to get the mask from the holder and working in just a beat. they are good at doing it. they train all the time. as far as the smoke, they can put on the smoke hoods as well as seeing through that. the passengers drop on oxygen masks and that's the full extent

of the emergency oxygen they had. it is one big system of pressurization. there different ways to get oxygen in terms of depressurization. >> as you mentioned the plane and bells and whistles going off to tell the pilots put the masks on r on, if there is an issue. thank you both very much and keep the questions coming. we will answer more questions next hour. up next, we will talk about the ocean in the search. an oceanographer who said it is not far fetched to believe this is debris from the plane. also ahead, the other breaking story. the president speaking out making a surprise announcement on the crisis in ukraine. russia slaps sanctions against u.s. lawmakers. we will tell you who is on that list. you are watching special coverage. the secret is out. hydration is in. [ female announcer ] only aveeno daily moisturizing lotion

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. >> per back to special coverage. in just a minute, president obama announced sanctions against 20 more cronies of vladimir putin for alleged involvement in the brazen annexation of crimea. armed supporters surrounded troops and they are virtually trapped through cases of crimea. ukraine said they have drawn up plans to get out of crimea apparently giving up without a fight. nick, will these new sanctions hurt putin and his friends who are just addressing. >> they seemed to hint at

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united states and that part. >> thank you. >> we continue on hour two. top of the hour, we are looking at what we call the best lead yet in the search for missing thrill 370. you are looking at had here. these two objects noting in the unforgiving waters. 14 miles apart and spotted five days ago by a satellite. >> this is probably the best lead we have right now, but we need to get there and find and see and assess them. >> caution in every word there. the bottom line is this. flight 370 could be resting some 1500 miles off the west coast of

australia. of course until they find these objects, we can't know for sure. let me tell you what we know. one is huge. 24 meters. translation, 79 feet long. the other is much smaller. meter or 16 feet in length. planes were immediately dispatched to scour this area where they think this debris may now be. think about this. weather has been wild. eventually night fall and the search for now. a merchant ship is there and searching the area through the night and using high powered lights. let's not forget the families who have been told about this possible debris find and some of them not wanting to believe this is how the search could end. >> it's enough to make us all archg after a couple days of

quiet, but i'm cautious lease pessimist pessimistic. someone took this flight for a reason. that means they would preserve it and take it someplace. if this debris is indeed part of that plane, then that dashes that wishful thinking to pieces. >> let's go live to kuala lumpur. malaysian officials are directing nearly all of the search teams to the possible debris site in the indian ocean. >> that's right, brooke. they are. that's because they really have a firm belief that this could well be the place where they can finally locate flight 370. this is a remote part of the ocean and what we have right now is all of the search and rescue operation being diverted to this part of the indian ocean.

2,400 kilometers away from perth. we had 18 ships. there were 18 in the entire operation and all 18 of them have been diverted to this location. 25 out of the 29 aircraft in the entire operation have been diverted to help in that search and rescue operation. we understand a number of helicopters as well. of course ha means that this is going to be a massive operation in that area. it is so crucial that these efforts are all diverted. because time is of the essence and the distance as well. not least that it is so far away from perth. the base of the aircraft will be flying in and out of. also that debris is located on the satellite four days ago. it could well have floated away. let me tell you about this location as well.

this is one of only five locations in the world where the sea collects oceanic trash. debris from the water gathers. the concern is this this could be any kind of debris. it might be linked to mh 370. it might not be. authorities are cautious to remind us of this possibility and a lot of hopes and fears are resting on that. >> it could be the plane. it could be something off a ship and it could just be trash. thank you. joining me now from new york, arnold gordon from columbia university. welcome back. you heard our correspondent there. they are putting a lot of eggs in this basket as far as the search goes. 20 ships and 35 aircraft. can you run through conditions and weather currents, etc. the difficulties for the search

teams. >>s in, i agree it is a good probability that it is the aircraft. the debris field they speak about, it's north of that area. i don't think it's the garbage debro region of that area. i think from the signs coming from the emerging ship, i would put high odds that this is it, but with that said, to find it now is not going to be easy. i think it could be at least 100 miles away from where that satellite image shows is to be. >> how do they do that? since the pictures are a couple days old. how do you pinpoint where it could be? >> that's right.

>> there many measurements and the satellite and drifting out to sea. these are all put together on the map. i look at the current there for the last five days, centered i think on march 15th and flowing clearly to the east at about a half mile an hour. however the strong winds and the storm that just passed with winds from the southwest, you get big waves coming around from africa, south of africa there. that forms white caps and break ing and it's hard to see more than a few miles. they will see a lot of light paths. probably about a 100 mile area. >> that's not easy and that's just the surface. can we talk about what lies

beneath? talk about the masses that vary so much between 15,000 feet and topography on the bottom of the ocean. would they be pushing under water and looking underneath? >> that would be what they are going to have to do. it's the debris i believe that dropped very close to the mid-ocean ridge. the average depth might be 2,000 to 2500 meters. the sea floor is very rough there. mountains and valleys. the debro from the plane would have broken up and be scattered in different places in the hills and valleys. they can send down unmanned submarines and they move very slowly. it will take a long time to find it. they are talking about months. >> somebody was saying earlier today it's like we know more

about the surface of mars than the ocean floor this this part of the world. that's a frightening thought. >> that's true. >> thank you for joining me. i know there lots of questions out there. we are working to get them answered for you. my twitter feed is inundated by you. we will bring our experts on 20 minutes from now. stick around for that. also ahead, the families that these performs are reacting to the news about possible plane debris off the western coast of australia. each day, so emotional. each new piece of information can be gut wrenching and today some of the family members held a tearful news conference in malaysia, hoping the objects that we keep talking about off the australian coast are not part of the plane. >> i have hope from the beginning. i have hope that everyone is

alive. i am not sure where they have hidden the plane. >> how the families can possibly try to cope with the sense of helplessness. the not knowing. also ahead, can the possible debris tell us what happened in the cockpit? down the road, was the plane on auto pilot? did it run out of fuel? we will explore those angles with special coverage.

. at this moment, the families of the 239 souls on board that plane are waiting for facts.

not theories. they are demanding answers from officials as to where their loved ones are and today they still don't have that answer. look at these pictures. you don't even have to speak the language. we can show you still pictures and this translates. this is what the unanswered questions are doing to them. the anguish on their faces and just a short time ago, a father said he can't sleep at night. >> translator: i can't sleep each night because all i think about is my son. up until now, what else can we do? this is about his flight. we can only wait for further updates. >> malaysia's capital, they said they cannot confirm the debris spot side from a plane, but the passenger said if it is the plane, he will accept it.

>> translator: as a father i hope all the passengers on flight 370 are safe. my feeling is personally i am grateful to the australian government for finding it. both governments, australia and malaysia, i thank them. if it is true, it is okay. i will accept it. >> the first time i have heard something like that. joining me, walk through with the emotions. that was the first time. most of the time i heard from passengers and family members who said they don't want this to be from the plane and don't want to believe their loved ones are not alive somewhere. it's this mixed bag. is it not? >> i think we have the feelings that many of us want to show on the surface are ideal. ry have will real self and the feel self. you have some who want them to be alive, but somewhere inside they have to want closure. the guilt that can go on in terms of looking for yourself and wanting closure and the pain and the fear you feel for

someone you love and being in a situation or being dead. >> then what makes this almost worse for the parents is that there is a one-child rule in china. you can have one kid. for many of them, the mothers were dragged out talking about her son. that's her only son. >> exactly. the other issue is that there people and women in china who have more than one child, but they can only keep one. if you lose your son and have given other children away and other things happened to those children, how devastating to relive another loss. >> you dealt with one and mul multiplying it and you don't know. 14, 15 days? how do you start the grieving process? do you allow yourself to begin that even though you don't know definitely what happened to your son or daughter or aunt or uncle?

how do you advise one to cope? >> they are grieving already. there is a grief process going through this. what is added it a feeling of helplessness and hopelessness and betrayal and anger. anger comes up to protect us. the rage and emotions are expressed and they are powerful, but they want to protect their loved and that they may not be getting the attention they need as well as protecting themselves. emotionally it's an extremely overwhelming situation. very little sleep many are getting. they don't trust the people around them that are supposed to be giving information. many of them have come from china to a strange country. it's in the region, but it's not home. that makes it that much more stressful. >> thinking about them, they are all together. not like family dealing with one mystery. it is a mass amount of people talking and coping and hugging

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. >> we are looking at the two grainy satellite images that may show missing debris from the

plane. they are very isolated waters, 1500 miles off the australian coast in the indian ocean. this possible debris may help explain what happened to flight 370. joining me now to talk about this, analyst mary schiavo and inspector general for the transportation department. we want to pick this up with you. if and when these search vessels find this debris, if in fact it is debris from the plane, can you just walk me through what they will be looking at in the examination process? >> first they will carefully mark wherever they find it. they will put buoys and markers in and bring it on board a search platform and everything will be important on it. they won't wash it off. they want to see if there is residue.

is it torn or ripped or exploded and are there burn marks? they have to be careful and sensitive because they will be looking for human remaining and chart the waters and calculate how far the debris could have moved because they will then want to reverse the clock for 12 days and find where they think the point of impact was to look for the black boxes. there will be lots of clues on any piece of wreckage. >> is it possible that anyone could have survived this? can you ditch at sea? >> you can clearly ditch at sea, but had they ditched at sea, we would have a raft in the water if there were survivors and in those would be the emergency locator transmitter that is water activated. as soon as they toss it off the side of the raft, we would have known because the satellites would have immediately picked that up the night of the airplane going missing. had that happened, if there were survivors in the water, the

slide raft combinations, when you open the door, we would have known about it immediately and it would have been 12 days ago. if this is debris, it's unlikely that we would have survivors. i hate to say that. >> i know the black box is orange, but everyone knows it is the black box and it's kept in the tail. that's what was found two years after air france and that held the secret as far as what happened to take the plane down. how difficult is it to find the tail? is it likely to float? >> no, the tail itself will float, but the black box is probably not still in the tail section in a break up on the ocean. it being los like nice white capping water.

the plane would probably break apart. it's probably at the bottom of the ocean and the cockpit voice recorder sends a flight that would have gone on so long. if the pilots were not speaking and there is no clicks or sounds of equipment and the cockpit voice recorder is not going to be a lot of help. the data recorder will be a gold mine of information and tell everything that the plane did. >> when we look at the big picture, this puzzle, it seems like a moving puzzle. we are lacking many, many pieces, but what is the most crucial piece that you think they need to find? >> if we can find a digital flight data recorder, that would be number one. the cockpit recorder would be number two. the third thing is if we can recover the cockpit itself from the ocean floor, we will know then if there was a fire in either electrical equipment or in the cockpit itself. i would like to know the position of the oxygen markets were when they stowed and were

they removed. if we can recover the cockpit off the floor of the ocean, that will help us answer many, many questions. they never get the full mosaic, but we will get enough pieces that we can have a good idea what the probable cause was. >> the word i was looking for, but that is all the big ifs. if this is the plane debris. will you stick around? a lot of people have questions and we will continue throwing that. keep sending them and hash tag it. we want some of our experts to answer the questions and they will do so. you are asking about depressurization of the cabin to the government's next step. if this is not debris from the plane. that's ahead. also we talked to an american deep sea rescue company that could be called in to help find this plane. the divers helped search. the air france flight 447 as well. hear what they think is the key to finding this missing plane.

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. at the bottom of the hour, you are watching cnn. at this moment we are following not just one, but two big leads in the search for missing flight 370. a u.s. official said the fbi team examining pilot's at home flight simulator is confident they can recover some of the information deleted. that was number one. as far as the whereabouts of the plane itself, the answer might be right here. zoming i zooming in off of perth australia, the most isolated plates in the world. in the middle of the night, 12 hours ahead of us, the search for the objects, bobbing in the

indian ocean is continuing. a merchant cargo vessel has taken the night shift with high powered lights to hunt for what could be parts of this missing plane. trying to find and track the missing pieces. possibly a plane debro. some of the best questions are straight from you. let's throw your questions at the experts. we are bringing them down. cnn aviation analyst and inspector general and david funk, former captain for northwest airlines. a lot of you are asking me about auto pilot. let me read the questions from kathleen. is it possible if the cabin depressurized and pilots succumbed, the plane flew on auto pilot the entire known flight path? to you. >> absolutely possible. after it passed the last

waypoint that was programmed into the flight management system, it will go into the mode where it will fly the last assigned ground track and keep going on that heading until essentially what will probably happen or may have happened, until the airplane runs out of gas. it wouldn't require inputs. it's an automatic mode. the boeing and rockwell and honeywell built into that system and that's what it will do. >> that's a good question. that is being talked about. the next one is for you. this tweet from marie. she writes what is the range capabilities of the black box ping. how close would a searcher have to be to hear it? >> pretty close unfortunately. depending upon the conditions, to three miles maybe. they have to go back across it. that's why they sometimes use submercibles. under water vessels to hear the wing. we know the battery life runs

out on the ping in about 13 more days. the next to you. i don't know if this is your wheel house. it would be for an oceanographer. how far away can the wreckage drift away and to which direction since it has been more than ten days? >> well, an oceanographer can answer exactly, but i understand drift calculations and essentially. they would just calculate the experts and oceanographer would look at as the previous guest has on. how much drift they had based on the normal location. these are averages and it takes us down from this is a chunk of the airplane. it takes us down from being looking at millions of square miles to a few hundred square miles. you have an idea of where to put the submercibles in the water.

they can do the hard work under the surface. >> glad you could answer that one. this is a realistic question. chris wants to know, what if it being the debris or whatever the stuff is in the ocean is not from the plane. where will the governments go from there? >> i think they will continue to talk to the ntsb about to refine additional possible flight paths and search data. they will go back to look for criminal motive and see if there is chatter on intelligence or put out rewards or use intelligence lines after pan am 103. the 9/11 planes. i think they will look back at criminal possibilities. so far we have nothing there. no motives and chatter on the intelligence. that looks quiet. >> more question we added. we keep getting great questions. let me read this. why did malaysia not do anything

when they saw the course had been changed. i assume the course is that dramatic left turn instead of just heading straight to beijing. >> they are probably waiting to hear from the pilots. if this turns out to be something like a fire in the center pedestal that knocked out the transponder and the acars, it's going to knockout the other communications. they are located in the same area and getting back to what mary said, because we are not hearing chatter and claims of responsibility, people are not going to ground, sometimes it disappears. if that disappeared, that would raise suspicions. because there is no changes that i hear from my friends and my contacts, my guess is this is probably a crash. as a result we need to continue the search and rescue efforts. if it turns out to be not a chunk of the airplane, we are still in the general vicinity where we need to look from the data points. we can only continue to find

those and try to get as much as possible. good information to minimize the size of the search area. >> we are just about 2 1/2 hours away from sunrise in this part of the world. we have been reporting the vessels and the planes heading to this part of the world and really focusing on the area for the search and trying to find the possible debris. we will know maybe in just a couple of hours. thank you both very much. thank you for your questions. keep them coming and continuing to answer them. coming up next, we will take you back inside a cockpit simulator. we have been seeing all week long different scenarios that could have been playing out on flight 370. we will have martin fly over the site of this possible debris and show us what happens when the plane can run out of fuel. we'll be right back. put it on my capital one venture card. i earn unlimited double miles. hey, you're not the charles barkley? yes i am. nah charles barkley is way taller. there's my picture on the wall.

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let's take that and go to martin savage with the flight instructor mitchell casado. you two have programmed the cockpit to fly over the indian ocean near this site of possible debris. could the plane have made it that far? >> that was the first test we did. we wanted to load the plane with the fuel they think they had. about seven hours worth and point it south. we showed earlier that this plane -- there is a lot of things we don't know, but this plane could easily have made it and had time to spare and gone further. we are right now over the southern indian ocean and the simulator, i can show you on a map where we are. this pin drop is us. you have perth, australia over here and you can amma lkuala lu here. we are 1600 miles away from perth, australia. this is where the debris was

said to be spotted. we are on auto pilot. let me show you what happens. what we believe is you run out of fuel which means then that auto pilot goes off. there would be an alarm. that's just the way it is. you can shut it down and mitch can take us down. the plane would do a gradual descent. it doesn't mean it was on auto pilot. it was built to just slowly and evenly descend? >> absolutely. >> we will keep going down. these are the alarms you start to get. the plane would be sensing -- it thinks it's landing which it wouldn't be. it's putting alarms out, saying you are too low. pull up. it will put out other alarms saying you want the landing gear down, don't you? we are assuming here that the

pilots were incapacitated. the plane is not getting a response. it will go lower and lower and lower. we are now 160 feet, 150 feet. this would all be happening. the problem at this point is that the plane is not going to land itself automatically in the water. he is able to hold it because he is flying it manually, but no auto pilot will take it down gently evenly on to the surface of this water. we know about the miracle on the hudson. that was a miracle for a reason. this plane would not do that and we will not attempt to simulate that. >> let's not do that, but i see how close to the water you guys are. if that is debris from the plane, it has been fascinating talking to experts about how they will be able to figure out and trace back based upon the condition in which they find the debris and how that plane hit the water. australian authorities have

contacted a firm right here in the united states. it worked on several deep sea searches including the search for air france flight 447 which crashed into the atlantic about five years ago now. cnn's dan simon is working on that for us today. dan, what did you learn? >> hi, brooke. let's assume for a moment that this is in fact the wreckage that we are seeing from the satellite. we have been trying to research what an ocean recovery would look like. we reached out to one of the pioneers when it comes to deep searches in the ocean and found mike william who was based in seattle and had discussions with authorities in australia about possibly getting involved. what williamson tells me is you want to get specialized equipment to hear the pings from the black boxes. he's not terribly optimistic to be able to do so at this stage because the wreckage is likely very deep in the ocean.

the next thing you would do and this is what he does for a living. he puts equipment into the ocean, sonar equipment. he does he's highly specialized searches. it would take approximately 45 days to do a very detailed search of a particular area. assuming you came up with something, you would put in secondary equipment. this would be rov equipment with cameras and the ability to extraicate debris. that would take another 45 days. we are looking at 90 days just to do this search. we don't even know what we are dealing with at this stage of the game. we don't know if it is debris. this could take a very, very long time assuming we confirm this is plane wreckage. it took two years to recover the black boxes in the air france crash. we are talking about a pain staking process. >> right. they have to get the vessels and aircraft out there in a matter of hours when the sun comes up to figure out where. keep in mind the satellite

images of the two pieces of debris is a couple days old. they have to find it and trace it back. dan simon, thank you for that explanation. coming up next, we are taking you about 1500 miles off the coast of australia where the spotlight is today. that's where the possible debris is located. we will give you a virtual view of the area and take a closer look at the challenges the search crews will be facing and remember this? we talked about this last week. the website we have beeni tellig you about that you can look at the images yourself. the water for clues. now cnn learned that the company has given information that they have learned to australian leaders. more on how this website is working to make a difference, next. ♪

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. >> back to these two pieces of possible debris may finally reveal what happened to malaysia airlines 370. the best lead yet and it has the whole world watching the. sailors on a cargo ship are trying to spot the mysterious objectings floating 1500 miles off the coast of australia. they will determine that in about two hours from now. let's go back to you in this virtual room. let's continue honing on these grainy images filled with potential clues to this 777's final path. >> there several reasons why these grainy images attracted so much attention. first of all, let's talk about this full notion that the search has been closing in tighter and tighter on the southern ark. u.s. officials have been saying for days the southern ark from the satellite data is where to look. that's why they were studying the images so closely on the

search teams. we know now that you have pretty much half or more of the entire team of the most advanced aircraft out there. the best ships out there and everything you can get heading to the . all because of those images, because they want to look much more closely at these images and figure out if there's really something there. now, these images don't look good out there to us. but they come from a company called digital globe which has a capability of taking close images. they can't release some of those images to the public. in fact, what you get is a more degraded image when you start talking to folks like us. but they have an ability of going down to 14 inches with their satellite. if you put a license plate on the back of a car, you couldn't read it probably but you would know what color it is. so what authorities are being looking at is much more detailed than what we're seeing. but three things have to be considered here. one is whether or not there is credibility here.

the fact that the government is talking about this so seriously and the search teams are going there suggests that there is. the second thing is the size, brooke. this piece is around some 78, 79 feet. the plane itself is 1200 feet back to front. the tail is about 60 feet top to bottom, 200 feet side to side. so, yeah, you can get pieces of it off that big but as you know, brooke, many, many experts are saying, i don't know if they float. but the last one is location and location is the one that you're talking about when you talk about locations out here. this is the right location based on the probabilities. the right location but locating this piece or these pieces out there, that's a huge, huge job. think about this. when you get close to the water, you have reflections, you have white caps. you've heard about the weather all day. this is a tremendously difficult

job. the people with lights are looking out into the water. that's a difficult, difficult job. the planes flying over have to deal with the same thing especially since the images are somewhat beneath the water. when you talk about going beneath the surfaces, when you talk about a ping from the signal, it may be coming up somewhere but the distance from the bottom to the surface may eat up all of the layers of the pings. simple truth is, the pinger helps you when you're already on top of it, when you've closed in so closely that you're within one to two miles. then the pinger might help you if underwater cliffs and valleys

don't get in the way. this doesn't make it a great lead and it doesn't guarantee anything like success. this is just step one of many, many steps here, even, even if they find this stuff and it pays off and seems to be part of the plane. brooke? >> so many qualifiers. this, then maybe that. even that -- tom foreman, we will watch and wait. in a couple of hours they will be out there looking for this thing. this company, digital globe, is the company playing the big role in the latest search efforts along with people, like you, sitting at home on your computer. ana cabrera is live in denver. ana, you talked to representatives of digital globe, about how many people have logged on to this crowd sources site. how many? >> well, two different things that we're talking about here. first of all, it's a company right here in the u.s., based

here in colorado, not far out side of denver. and, yes, they are the company we've been talking about now for well over a week that's been providing those images for people at home to logon to their computers and help in their search through the crowd surfing platform. we don't know if these are the images that the australians were looking at or if they were provided to digital globe by the company individually. but we confirmed, yes, these are their images and they have confirmed with the australian officials that these are their images. did not provide any additional information but continue to work with the australian government along with other officials in continuing to search for the missing plane regardless of if these are the images or not. we do know that nearly 6 million different objects have been

tagged and marked by people who have logged on to that crowd-sourcing website. so again s. it possible that these images came through that crowd-sourcing effort? it's possible but they are going to continue to did it until there is any kind of confirmation that the search is over in some way. >> we know so many people are trying to help. this website has krcrashed. ana cabrera, thank you so much in denver for us and we will be right back. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, like me, and you're talking to your rheumatologist about a biologic... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain. this is humira helping me lay the groundwork.

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announcing economic sanctions against 20 more kronies. that's it for me. we'll see you back here tomorrow, friday. in the meantime, jake tapper starts now with "the lead." for two weeks now we have waited for the strand that will hopefully unravel the mystery of flight 370. are the australians on the verge of finding it? i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." the world lead. the searchers now have something that has eluded them for 14 days. a specific location to pour over. after satellite images pointed to possible, possible debris from the plane. of course, if confirmed, this would confirm the absolute worse for the 239 people on board. also, the batteries on the black boxes only have s