click on their links by putting out fake screen shots captioned" flight 370 found in sea, 50 people alive." with so much sea to search, seeing is not believing. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> thanks for joining us. anderson starts now. good evening, everyone. it is 8:00 in the morning in western australia whereas we speak all eyes are on the royal australian air force base outside perth where we believe two aircraft like this one are now airborne. the planes designed during the cold war to detect enemy subs and hostile ships now with a very different mission indeed. to find the debris a satellite spotted more than 1500 miles at sea, to get a better look at it, see if there's more of it and to try to determine whether it came from malaysia airlines flight 370. still not clear. again as we speak, those p 3 orions and other ships and aircraft are race together area,

racing for answers, through pretty nasty weather against deadlines driven by shifting ocean currents and approaching storm systems to the remaining juice in the batteries of the boeing 777's data recorders. we're learning new information tonight about what got investigators so interested in this particular debris and why tonight some analysts now have greater confidence that this time, after so many false leads, this could be the real thing. first to kyung lah in australia. what is the latest right now? do we know how the search efforts are going so far, kyung? >> reporter: the very latest we heard from australian military officials who are not authorized to speak to the media, a short time ago we have heard that indeed two of the planes are up in the air. they are racing to that search area right now. there are two more scheduled to leave from this air base later today. we don't know exactly when they're going to leave. we can't hear them from this

entrance. but they leave from the center of the air base, head out to the ocean. it takes four to five hours to get to this remote area. they circle there for two hours. and then they have to make the long trip back. so what does this search area look like? a remote part of the world? here's what one local aviation expert told us. >> this is one of the most difficult places in the world to find anything. the sea state you're talking 40, 50-foot swells. you're talking three miles deep. this is as bad as it gets. >> reporter: and that's where they think it is. this is the area that is the size of new mexico that they have to scope over. and anderson, they are racing against time to try to get this information to hundreds of family members around the world. anderson? >> there is any sort of timetable for announcements or how announcements are going to be made? obviously we can't tell how soon

we're going to know what this debris is. the information would probably be fed i guess through australian government channels first. >> reporter: yeah. they've been very guarded about what the timetable's going to be as far as releasing to the media and to the public. we know that it's going to take awhile to find out where this debris is. they've got to locate it, then retrieve it. all of this is going to take days, maybe even longer. they've got to bring it back, analyze it. they've got to be sure. then they have to tell the families and the governments. so put all that together, it's going to take awhile, anderson. >> kyung, last night we were on the air until i think 3:00 a.m. i guess early this morning, and the australians last night in a press conference said they were going to redirect commercial satellites over the area to try to get more images. obviously the images we're seeing are the ones that were first released. do we know, have those satellites gotten any new images? made any more announcements about that? >> reporter: we haven't heard any announcements about that

particular request about getting the satellites there. the only thing we've heard is that the australians have also asked commercial sea vessels in that area to storm to that area. some have responded. there are a number that are heading that way. a norwegian vessel is at sea and did work throughout the night using binoculars and lights to look at the water, anderson. >> now i want to bring in jim sciutto monitoring everything that's driving the investigation, how it's all been coming into focus today. jim we've been looking at the satellite images of the debris as people have all day long. there's word there are hire resolution pictures of this debris. are those from those commercial satellites? . actu . >> reporter: we spoke tonight to two representatives of the satellite, those would not be dramatically different in fact. they say the bigger difference with the quality of these photos would be the angle, whether the satellite was just overhead of

the spot or somewhat further afield so thought was shooting at an angle which would be less resolution. so listen, it's an answer that surprised us. you and i, we look at google earth and you could pick out practically a license plate. you look at these images and they look so blurry. it seems like the bigger factor here was the angle of the satellites rather than the difference we would see and the searchers and the government would see. >> and i guess we just don't know the information about if they said at 2:00 a.m. this morning that they were redirecting satellites, i guess i'm curious to know how quickly it takes to do that if they have already started to get new images and if so when those might be released and if they are able to recapture the debris in those new images. obviously searchers haven't found them yet. what more can you tell us about the investigation? a whole host of resources obviously being brought to bear now. >> reporter: first on the satellite question. my understanding it takes some time. you might be able to redirect the satellites but analyze the data. a big portion of the ocean

there. you've got to search through it with a pair of eyes to see if you find something. that would take longer -- might take longer than redirecting the satellites on that point. in terms of the other resources, you have a whole host heading down there. china alone is sending nine ships. this is an unprecedented overseas deployment for the chinese navy. nine ships down that way. the u.s. has the p 8, its most advanced surveillance aircraft. of the 28 some odd aircraft that are involved in the search internationally, 25 of them are down in the southern indian ocean. it gives you a sense of where they're focusing their energy and resources now. >> and the confidence they have and the importance they're putting on these pieces of debris. we reported yesterday the fbi has copies of the hard drives from the pilot's simulator. any word on that? >> reporter: they have confidence today they'll be able to glean something from the hard drives to piece together those deleted files. they haven't said what that is. we don't know yet if they found any valuable information.

but they do have confidence they can at least piece those files together so they can read them, particularly from that flight simulator that as you're seeing there now the pilot of the plane, the captain of the plane had. if there's a team you wanted looking at this it would be the fbi team at quantico. this is a team that finds things on computers that people don't want found on computers, child pornography or access to extremist web sites, extremist material, that's the sort of thing they investigate. so they're exactly the guys and women you want on a job like this. >> jim chusciutto, appreciate i david souci is here author of "why planes crash." les abend is back. mary schiavo. and david gallo co-leader of the search for air france flight 447. he's director of special

projects at the ocean graphic institution. david, what do you make of the debris that we have seen so far, david souci, i mean the size of it. ones vees obviously the images getting are not very precise. >> if the satellite's going to be over the top it will be clear rather than oblique angle. when they talk about repositioning the satellites that gives you a better picture of it. as far as the debris goes, i ha hesitations about it. i can't get it out of my mind, the dimension, 80 feet is the size of a shipping container. they come in 20, 40 and 80-foot lengths. i can't get it out of my mind that shadow of doubt. >> this is also the part of world where ships wreck, where containers fall over because of bad weather. it would not be totally uncommon to have a shipping container in the water.

>> not only that but that channel where those two convergences come together is a gathering area for that kind of debris as well. i have my hesitations about it as well. >> les, what do you make of the size of it? some 79 feet long almost. is that too big to be from a 777? i guess it depends on the angle of the entry of the plane into the water. >> i wouldn't dispute that at all. it could very well be a wing fragment. i mentioned it earlier today. and that would seem to me like something that would float. because the center wing tanks would have probably been empty because you didn't need all that fuel in the center tanks. most of them go to the main. so that would have had some air in it. who knows four days later almost coming up on five days whether it's still floating or partially submerged, whatever it may be. but i have my doubts of course that the airplane is in the water. but that's been discussed. >> and are those doubts largely based on the lack of an elt? >> correct. i know we may get into that

discussion later. it's the fact that a water-based activated elt did not activate. and it's supposition. >> david, you have elt right here. let's go to it since les brought it up. this is an elt that would come from a much smaller plane like a sa cessna. >> elt stands for -- >> emergency locating transmitter. this is one of the first ones that came out. this had 121.5 megahertz. these were very unreliable. like just barely over 50% reliable deployment on impact. >> the new generation that would be in a 777 very reliable. >> very much so. they've gone through two iterations since this in an attempt to try to extend the range of that. >> there's actually two of those elts in a 777. >> there are. or there may actually be four.

there may be two in two different overhead panels in addition to elt. depend upon the configuration that malaysia had. there may be others seated in life rafts and pockets in life rafts. >> david gallo, what would be floating at this point? you know better than anybody about the seas and your involvement intricately involved in the air france recovery which debrises was found five days later, the aircraft wasn't found until two years later. but given the tough seas in that area and the amount of time that's passed, what are we looking at do you think? >> hard to say, anderson. it's all about the buoyancy. if there's air pockets and kept the water out and materials lighter than the water below. so we won't know until we see. there's always a surprise. so i wouldn't make a prediction like that. it's just hard to know. >> mary, are you optimistic about this find? >> we had this discussion

yesterday. >> sorry. to mary. but david you can answer and then we'll go to mary. >> i had my doubts yesterday. and today i'm 50-50. and it may be a wing fragment. i just don't know how you'd get a piece of the plane that big, this long, after the accident. >> mary, how about you? >> well, i am. because of some of the cases i worked on in the past we did have big pieces that floated. twa 800 the tail floated. american airlines 587 off new york the tail floated. and here on these composite wings, boeing takes extra care to seal them. one of the wings was repaired so that would have had to have been resealed. we know they were empty if the plane flew this far the wing tanks were empty. so you have a good sealed piece of the plane that's empty, it should be like a big buoyant piece of almost like a big container full of air. i'll hoping that's what's

floating. >> everyone stay with us. if you have any questions about this tweet us @ac 360. when you see those images you think looks pretty placid. whoo kind of waves and conditions are they dealing with and how is that going to impact the search? we'll talk to chad about that. also how the families are handling the latest word and what's being done to help them prepare for the moment when answers finally arrive. we'll talk to a psychologist who has been counselling family members. we'll be right back. from new z, textile production in spain, and the use of medical technology in the u.s.? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global economy. it's just one reason over 75% of our mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper average. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to read and consider carefully before investing.

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new information about all the different search assets thrown into the search for this debris. five australian aircraft, additionally the united states navy p 8's poseidon aircraft is due to depart for the search area. those area craft and surface ships are racing into the southern indian ocean off australia all trying to get a better look at debris first reported earlier this morning.

they are also contending with ocean currents and weather conditions. i want to quickly turn to our chad myers focusing on that. it's morning there off the coast of western australia. what is the weather like at the search area right now? early this morning when we were on the air they were talking about low visibility, moderate conditions. what's it like now? >> reporter: the low visibility where kyung lah that little thunderstorm complex right there. 1500 miles from that area to the search area and the weather couldn't be better. what was wrong with yesterday? low ceilings, the planes couldn't fly high, rain, low visibility. and anderson, white caps. what's the worst possible thing in an ocean when you're looking for a white airplane? white caps. they couldn't literally see anything. they couldn't distinguish an airplane from the white cap. it was just too much what looked like debris in the water. today absolutely different. there is absolutely big giant blue h right over the surface area. they will have blue skies, they

will have sunshine, they will have good definition. the white caps will be down. the waves won't be blowing off the top. we'll have good searching today. just because they didn't find anything yesterday doesn't surprise me. absolutely impossible conditions. we have good conditions for the next 48, maybe 60 hours. this is a computer exclusive high rez model we use at cnn for cnn international. this is showing a 40-mile-per-hour wind event 48 hours from now in the southern search area. and that will cause the same kind of weather, the white caps like we had yesterday. absolutely ugly. >> chad, in the search area how deep is it exactly? and the terrain of the sea bed, what's it like there? you also talked about waves. do you have any idea how big the waves are on the surface? >> >> the waves yesterday were 10 to 20. today 5 to 10. that's a swell. if you're not familiar with an ocean, an ocean swell especially at 10,000 feet deep es more like

this. it goes up and down and you bob in the water. it's not a 10-foot wave that would hit the shore and literally knock you down. it's not steep like that. it's a shallow wave up and down. so that actually helps in the discovery of things on the ocean's surface if you're on a ship. because sometimes that high peak will allow you to see something that you wouldn't see higher on the ship looking for it. this is the day to find what's out there. >> incredibly deep, though, 10 to 12,000 feet. a little less than 13,000 feet air france flight was found in. chad, thank you. as a cautionary note before bringing back the panel, there have been debris sightings before. they've turned out to be extraneous debris not from an airliner, not this airliner in particular. from left to right there's the debris spotted on march 9th off vietnam, debris spotted by china on the 12th, finally the objects from today. a note of caution in this we simply do not know what this debris is and won't until there

are more satellite images and people get eyes on it on the surface of the water. back with our panel. david gallo, you've spent a lot of time out on the water searching for air france flight 447. put us what it's like out there on the water. one thing to seat pictures but to actually be on a ship riding those waves, riding those swells, looking for something on the surface day in and day out, hour after hour. how difficult is this? >> well, in air france we were involved in the undersea search. so the surface search for debris was already completed. but i have been involved in things like that. and it's tough. you've got the wind, the waves as you've heard, the swells can be immense. so it can be very unpleasant. but you know the teams that are out there doing this are used to that. in science our expeditions are used to the roughest weather. we work in the north pole, the southern oceans. and it's just something you come to accept. and the ship's crews are professional enough to keep the observers safe. and it's just something that

comes with the turf. >> david gallo, we're looking at images from that air france flight. do you remember how big the biggest piece of debris was? it looks like a lot of pieces are the size of a desk or bigger. obviously there was that tail section. >> sure. i think the tail section was the largest. i don't think there were any pieces like the ones we're talking about here. i think that tail section was the largest piece. there were bits of the galley and the like. >> okay. mary schiavo, obviously the weather not only makes the search harder, it can also cause da breed to degrade over time, even make some of it sink. >> right. depending on the conditions, the rough seas, sweltering heat, the rain, all the things make the wreckage disperse further but also sink. and so with a clear day, this would be the day to find it. and any more storms would just cause more of it to be lost. >> unless you and i and david were talking about the elt which we have the model of here again.

a smaller model. multiple ones like in a 777. this would be sending off if it's working it should be sending off signals to a satellite and other frequencies, correct? >> correct. the vhf frequency and the hf frequency. >> it's supposed to automatically start when what happens? when a plane hits water? how does that work? >> whichever way and dave has better expertise than do i on this. but whatever they're designed to do. the ones i know in the slide rafts are designed to activate with sea water. >> they're actually in the rafts that deploy. you actually take them out of the raft. >> they're tethered to the raft. >> put it in the water in a ditching situation. >> david, also some of them deploy based on an impact and also deceleration? >> deceleration is the way you measure the impact or that does trigger just how much deceleration there is. so i'm very concerned about why we haven't picked that up yet. once it does arm, whether it's from a deceleration or because

it's touched the salt water, there's 16 satellites orbiting the earth all the time. what they're monitoring is a 406 megahertz frequency. there's there for ships that go down, the eprbs we're talking about the rafts, emergency position radio beacon is that piece. that thing is designed to send a signal to the satellites. so i'm very concerned about the fact that there were at least two, as many as ten either eprbs or elts on board that aircraft and no signal. >> david gallo, i don't know if you know the answer to this. on the air france flight did the elts go off? did that plane have them? >> i've never heard that, anderson. so you could go back and look at the reports. anyone can go online and look back at the reports. but that's the first i've heard of that. >> david? >> it's a different model aircraft. so it's not required by far or

iko because you're relying on the transponder and tracking systems the commercial airplane has. it's not a requirement by the regulations. >> and david souci, the topography of the underwater environment here, do you know much about it? >> i really don't. i have heard it is a fairly smooth topography but it's deep. >> david gallo, that's your expertise mapping on the sea floor. have you mapped to similar topography? what's it like? >> the main feature there is called the southeast indian ridge that runs east to west through the indian ocean. the top of it at about a mile and a half and it slopes off to the north and south an gets down to about three miles. but there's spots on there that can be very rugged. but most of it's fairly gentle volcanic terrain. not the easiest thing to work. but it's something again we're fairly used to. >> as you've said in the past, david gallo, can play tricks with sound which is an issue with the pings that should be coming off the black boxes.

>> sure. if you've got some rugged terrain, a valley here, hill here, mountain there, thermal layers, think about the ability to hide a submarine beneath a thermal layer and sonar can't penetrate that to find that sub. so it's tough but it's something that's got to be done. it's the best hope off the bat is to get lucky and pick up one of those fingers. >> we have to take a quick break. when we come back new reporting on why investigators are gaining confidence in what they're seeing from the search area and get more answers on whether more satellites have been redirected. try to get more reporting on that. martin savidge joins us from the 777 flight simulator. did flight 370 have enough fuel to actually get this far south? we'll take a look at that. [ male announcer ] this is the cat that drank the milk... [ meows ]

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breaking news tonight, two planes are in the air tonight racing toward a remote part of the indian ocean near australia where satellite has spotted debris. is it wreckage from flight 370? that is the unanswered question tonight. those two planes will be joined by other aircraft and ships. manager director at airlineratings.com, we just heard from him in kyung lah's report. he joins me by phone. jeff i understand you're hearing from your own sources there are multiple radar returns in the search area indicating that something is there. what more can you tell us about

that? >> there were some additional radar returns yesterday we understand. we also understand that there was some more satellite data that indicates that there is a little bit more debris than the two major pieces that have been identified. but the major focus of course is on the size of the largest piece of debris which is the 24 meters, about 65-foot-long piece which one might think could be part of wing or part of the horizontal stabilizer of this aircraft. >> let me just drill down a little bit on that satellite information and the radar information you're talking about. do you know what the sources of that radar information is? is it radar information from planes or from ships, or from something else? >> there was additional confirmation from satellites, according to the australian maritime search and rescue organization. so there's corroborating

evidence out of satellites. there was also some radar returns that were reported off the u.s. p 8 poseidon out there yesterday. although they're not exactly sure what they were. there's some discussion about that being just standard return off the ocean. there's a little bit of confusion around that. hopefully we'll get clarity with the aircraft that's already left. as i'm talking to you now, i think the other one's also airborne, left about 30 minutes ago. and i understand there's another four airplanes going out there during the course of today. it's now now 8:30 in the morning where i am. so hopefully within about four hours we'll get some intelligence coming back concerning more details at that debris. >> and we'll of course be live on the air for that. but geoffrey, you also mentioned more satellite information. to your knowledge -- and you may not know this so i don't want to

put you on the spot -- but they last night early in the morning or i guess it was around 1:00 in the afternoon when john young gave press briefing this morning, they talked about redirecting commercial satellites. do you know, has that already been done? has that information already been looked at? >> my understanding is that they have redirected them yesterday. and that data is now being processed and sent through. there's a few protocols involved. i'm not sure whose satellites they're using. but there are of course protocols depending on whose country satellites are being used. and then of course the other thing they're very careful about doing is to analyze the data and make sure that what they're saying publicly is as accurate as it possibly can be. and on obviously eliminating false returns or things that are clearly not related to an

airplane. >> geoffrey, i know you say also the debris field is similar to that of air france flight 447 which in your opinion strengthens the possibility that this is debris from flight 370. in what way are you saying it's similar? >> well, with air france 447 they found the tail and then they found tiny bits of debris everywhere. most of the airplane tragically was at the bottom of the sea. and there were obviously as we know no survivors. here we're finding two large pieces on the surface. apparently there are other bits and pieces, the detail of which is still very sketchy. and if this is the airplane -- and we have to qualify that -- if this is the airplane then it does not look like a very good outcome. and one senses that it hit the ocean and disintegrated on

impact. which is what happened with air france 4477. >> geoffrey, do you believe -- you're on the ground there in australia and know the scene better than anyone -- do you think authorities in australia have more information than they have publicly shared? because it was surprising that the australian prime minister came out and announced the finding himself. >> look indeed, anderson, i think that's spot on the mark. i believe that the americans and of course the australians working as we always have worked very very closely together have done for decades and decades, there's lots of information that the united states shares with australia that it probably wouldn't share with anybody else. we have joint defense facilities in this country. and i was very interested that when we were tasked with the southern area south of indonesia, very quickly there was a very precise area. and i know the area is large,

but in the context of the entire area that's being searched for this airplane, the area identified was very very small. two clear distinct tracks of what they believe or where they believe the airplane flew. and then a couple of days later we're now presented with these images. my sense is that there's a little bit more to this than we are being told. and obviously for very important reasons, i don't think the united states wants to flag exactly how good its satellite technology is. and from a defensive point of view. and that's understandable. but the bottom line is, they're using their intelligence with australia to try and find the airplane. >> and certainly the evidence, the huge amount of resources that australia is putting into this as well as the united states is clearly the best bet they have going right now. geoffrey thomas, i appreciate your reporting based on your sources.

we'll check back with you. want to bring back our panel after the break, get their take on martin staavidge's experienc in a flight simulator how far flight 370 could have flown on the fuel it had and if it did end up in the water off australia what sort of impact it might have had. we'll be right back. and this will be your premium right here. sorry to interrupt, i just want to say, i combined home and auto with state farm, saved 760 bucks. love this guy. okay, does it bother anybody else that the mime is talking? frrreeeeaky! [ male announcer ] bundle home and auto and you could save 760 bucks. alright, mama, let's get going. [ yawns ] naptime is calling my name. [ male announcer ] get to a better state. state farm.

welcome back. breaking news, reconnaissance planes and ships are racing to an area near australia where satellite has spotted debris. the location where it was spotted about 1500 miles southwest of perth, australia. so much of the story has been about what we cannot see. all this week cnn's martin savidge has giving perspective inside a 777 flight simulator. he's helped us visualize what might have gone on, the various scenarios investigators are looking at. he joins us tonight along with visual instructor. this plane only had about 7 hours or so of fuel. would it have been able to reach the destination where the suspected debris is found or somewhere in that vicinity? obviously the debris has had a lot of time to float. >> >> reporter: earlier today we

programm programmed everything that we knew of flight 370, seven-hour fuel load and pointed it south. a number of factors we couldn't account for. headwind on the route, what altitude they may have flown at simply not known. running that we found the plane easily could have made the region where this debris has been discovered. in fact might have been able to go a little bit further. but eventually of course the engines just quit. it just stops. >> they do. they just run out of gas and the airplane would start a gentle e descent toward the ocean floor. >> when it runs out of fuel does it continue on a gradual glide? if it did in fact crash into the ocean how would that have happened? >> this was a question i was talking to mitchell about before we came to air. assuming -- do both engines quit at the same time? or is it possible one keeps going and the other one sputters

out? >> it's quite possible that both engines could fail at the same time. and it's quite possible they could fail at different times. >> so if they fail at different times, don't you have a plane now spinning because of the fact that one engine is driving forward and the other is dead drag on the other side? >> in smaller, less sophisticated airplanes, yes. 737s, in this airplane we have compensators that account for that. so essentially one engine could be out and one off functioning and the other would continue straight. >> so somehow what he's saying the plane would sense it lost one engine and adjust accordingly with the other engine, thereby continuing this kind of flying. if both engines quit it's the slow descent down to the ground. >> stick with us there in the cockpit. i want to bring in david souci and les abend. you looked like you had questions about that. >> i don't know if this is what you were talking about.

question if you had -- if this was flying without communications, it's possible the electric power wasn't there. that correction wouldn't exist. so it's potential that it could have gone. if it had electrical power it probably would have. >> les if both engines went out at the same time, would it be a gradual descent? >> yeah. if they went out at the same time. i very much doubt it. >> you doubt that would happen? >> i doubt it. i'm not sure the system, all due respect to mitchell, i'm not sure that what they call a thrust asymmetry compensator would actually be effective or be active with that scenario. the airplane may very well have turned which might explain what it did initially. >> but les and david, you were saying there's a lot we can learn even from one or two pieces of debris, you can start to put together the pieces of the puzzle. >> absolutely. this fuselage when it goes in,

you can tell just from a small piece of that fuselage if it was twisted, if it was bent or fit was cracked. >> and what speed. >> all three of those are different. >> so you could read from any piece of debris or sizeable piece of debris something about how it got in the water. >> fit was in the stress affected line. there's portions of it that would go around and it might be a piece of it. likely there's pieces of metal that will give you a lot of clues as to how it hit the ground, particularly like les was saying if the wing came off you could surmise it may have gone to the right or left. there's a lot of information we can get about that. we may be able to determine wlit was a fuel outage or intentionally put in. a lot of information you could get not from a small piece but a set of debris. >> and david gallo, in terms of debris floating, obviously where the debris would be found 12, 13 days after an impact is not where the plane went in i know

on 447 it took two years to find the actual plane, and at first i think in one of the areas you guys searched it was in the opposite direction of where you initially had begun to look. so how do you go about trying to triangulate from debris location to where the plane might have gone in? >> it's very tricky and it's a science. there are scientists that work on that, they're good at that kind of thing. one thing they want to know having been through this with air france, they want to know what that debris looked like in the water. was it sticking out of the water? in that case like a sailboat would be driven mostly by the wind? was it under the water mostly like an iceberg, in that case driven by currents? was it a little bit of both? if you lined up all kind of debris, sizes, under the water, above the water and gave them the same currents and same wind they would scatter over time. the trick is to plug all the information about the size, the character, and then about the environmental stuff. what did the currents and winds

look like? how variable were they? and then the model over time back tracks those. if you're good, all five of those things you set up in the beginning are going to end up back on the same x marks the spot. that means your model is right on. >> mary schiavo, obviously authorities began looking intensely at this area before at least the public knew this debris had been found. do you think they've already gone through a lot of that modelling on where they think the plane might have gone in on this southern sector? >> oh, i do, especially when the prime minister spoke early this morning or late last night. and the authorities spoke as well. they did say they were working with the united states national transportation safety board and they had been crunching the data and that it was the national transportation safety board that had come up with the different pa paths and tracks. we had pretty good clues there was an awful lot of work and smoothing on the data going behind the scenes, which is probably giving them that

confidence level to be so confident about announcing this to the world. >> mary schiavo, great to have you on against. les avend, david souci, david gallo, martin savidge and our pilot in the flight simulator. all of them are going to be joining me tonight at 11:00 eastern time. we're going to be live because we are anticipating again very possibly getting more information from australian authorities even at the late hour here, 11:00 east coast united states, 11:00 a.m. in perth, australia. coming up next tonight, how the families of the missing are handling the news about the debris. we'll talk to a psychologist who has been counselling with them. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, like me,

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the families of the 239 people on board flight 370 have been waiting for answer. the lack has been excruciating and created reasons for hope. which is why the sighting of debris is not good news. here's how the family of phillip weeks put it earlier today. >> i keep hoping that somebody took this flight for a reernaso which means they would have preserved it and tried to take it someplace. so if this debris is indeed part of that plane then it kind of dashes that wishful thinking to pieces. so i really hope it's not a part of the plane. but if it is, then at least what

he can go down another path of deciding that maybe we need to start prepping for another scenario instead. >> psychologist paul yin has been spending time with some of the families of the missing. he joins us tonight. paul, you and your team have been working around the clock i know counselling families of 370. as you told us before, a lot of the families have not given up hope that their loved ones are still alive. i know you've spoken to some of them since the news of the possible debris came in what's thundershow their outlook now? what are you hearing? >> over the last week, it feels like we're waiting for the eruption of a volcano. and yesterday would be best described as a partial eruption. there are some family members upon hearing the news have appeared to have accepted finality that their loved ones are not coming back. so there was a strong burst of

emotion coming out, some very strong and in some cases ambulances needed to be call in. and the rest of the families seem to be holding on for the next 24 to 48 hours to try to get the final official clarification. and there are still some family members that are just still steadfastly holding onto hope and hoping that this is not it and eventually we will find them on land. >> and i've heard you say that some of the strongest reaction actually came from men. >> exactly. because in the beginning in the family the women tended to have the stronger emotion. and the men felt like they had to be the strong one to hold everybody together, to support the women. and in fact, what results from that is that their emotion did not have a chance to come out. and when they are finally faced with possibly accepting

finality, that's when all the pent-up emotion over the last 12, 13 days just poured out. and so yesterday of the families that reacted strongly, the men reacted far more strongly than the women. and the women i think over the last 12 days, every day they were pouring out their emotions. and the men were just holding it for that one last -- for the one initial burst together. >> sometimes on tv you hear people use that word "closure." i just think it's the worst word. i don't think anybody who has experienced loss knows there is no such thing as closure. what do you say to families in this situation? i mean, is it just a question of listening and not even saying much? how do you deal with this? >> well, what we have decided to do is this. with most of these families, we have identified members in their very small circle of trust who

are perhaps more able and we train them to be able to deal with the situation better. so that for the initial burst of emotion, we try to let the family handle it with the people that we have trained. and we would not come in unless they call on us until that first wave, they ride the first wave. and the other thing i need to point out is you're absolutely right. there really is no closure. >> yes. there never is in any kind of loss like this. paul yin,i appreciate what you do and appreciate you talking to us tonight. i wish you the best. here at 360 we want to make sure we take time to highlight those who are missing, to tell you about their lives. we've been trying to do that for the last two weeks as best we can. you can find out more about the passengers of flight 370 on our web site at ac360.com. up next, president obama unleashes new sanctions on russia. you will how did a teenager manage to break into and climb to the top of the tallest

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susan hendricks has a 360 bulletin. >> reporter: russia's lower house of parliament voted today to annex crimea. video was posted op social media showing russian forces using a bulldozer to storm a ukranian military base. today president obama imposed additional sanctions. >> this is not our preferred outcome. these sanctions would not only have a significant impact on the russian economy but could also be disruptive to the global economy. however, russia must know that further escalation will only isolate it further from the international community. >> reporter: sentencing day today for brigadier general jeffrey sinclair who pleaded guilty to adultery and engage in inappropriate relationships with

women. his attorney said he did not receive jail time but was reprimand and and must forfeit $45 thou,000 in pay. >> a teenager reportedly climbed to the top of the world trade center in new york. police say the teen used the elevator and stairs to get to the 144th floor. >> that does it for us. we'll see you again 11:00 p.m. eastern. another live edition of 360, all new edition at 11:00 tonight. you can set your dvr so you never miss the program. "piers morgan live" starts now. this is "piers morgan live." your host will be back next week. until then i'm bill weir filling in. we begin with breaking news tonight as search planes in the air right now fast approaching the site of what looks like debris from flight 370. could it be this long strange search taking us into one of the loneliest corners of our planet? because of course l