special. >> do you think you can teach a jewish mayor? >> i wish someone would have given my dad the same support we're trying to give students at fenger. good evening, everyone. it's 11:00 here on the east coast of the united states, 11:00 a.m. off the coast of australia, where soon a p-3 orion search aircraft will be above the search zone, nearly 1500 miles southwest of perth. it and several others will be scouring the ocean surface trying to get a better look at several pieces of debris revealed in these photos and other versions that investigators have seen. they'll be trying to determine whether they belong to malaysian airlines flight 370. searchers will be using other equipment as well. sonar buoys, and old fashioned

eyeballs. we want to caution everybody, we do not have the answers tonight about what it is in the water. there is hope. emotions already boiling over among some of the families who are waiting for answers, real answers. hard to fathom what they have been going through. it's clear right there. it has not been easy to believe that any -- with any certainty, even if the news is bad, but soon a search aircraft might provide the first inkling of it. i want to go to the royal australian base, where the aircraft departed earlier this evening. and to chad myers looking at weather conditions, especially ocean conditions. do we know how search efforts are going so far, any updates? >> reporter: we're only estimating at this point,

anderson, because the military here in australia playing it very close to the vest. they don't want to release too much. they want to make sure that the prime minister is involved, so they are being very cautious about what they do release. if you like at the timeline of what they have told us, how long it's going to take to get out there, we can assume at this point the planes are now flying above the area that they want to look at. that's 600,000 square kilometers that they're going to comb over. they are going to have by the end of this day, they'll have a total of five planes searches and combing over this area. a very tough area. each of those planes with only two, two critical hours before they have to race back here to this air base. so a very, very tough day for everyone involved here. and they are really, truly racing against the clock, anderson. >> they only have those two hours because the distance it is from perth and fuel considerations. chad myers, i want to bring you in here. we talked several hours ago and

you said conditions were probably ideal in terms of visibility. as we know, when we were on the air early this morning around 2:00 a.m. or 3:00 a.m., visibility was poor for searching. how is it now? >> i don't think it could have been worse yesterday, anderson. we had the cold front with thunderstorms on top of it. we had low visibility distance. low ceilings, and white caps on every single wave. thinking about looking for a white airplane with white caps makes my head spin. i don't understand how they even tried yesterday. today and tomorrow will be the days, the next 48 hours will be crucial to finding this. there are waves out there. 5 to 10 feet. but that's not a bad thing. they're roller waves, ocean waves, they go up and down. and with those roller waves, when you get a roll like this and you're standing on the bridge of a ship or on the railing and you see this happen, all of a sudden you almost get a bird's-eye view of what's in the water.

not like yesterday where we had 30 footers in the ocean. today, much better. we don't get any rainfall for the next 48 hours, that's the good news. this is the rain map from cnn international right there, thanks to our guys down there. and there's the window that's going to come in, in 48 hours. that's going to make huge white caps and huge problems. >> chad, let's talk about the depth of the ocean here. when they were searching in the gulf of thailand early on, you're talking about 296 feet deep. it's a whole other story here. >> absolutely. almost two miles. if we're looking for the pinger, the pinger pings about two to four miles. if you're going to ping, you need to be almost right on top of that ping to be able to hear it, because you're already two miles away because you're 10,000 feet from it. here we go, 14,000 feet to the north, 11,000 feet here and i can do one thing right now, i will take you under the water and show you what this looks like graphically.

we'll fly you right down here and see the surface. fairly flat. there there's some undulation here. we'll turn you around and show you that this is a fairly flat area, even though it's 10,000 feet. and it's not inaccessible. 10,000 feet for a diver, obviously you can't do it. but there are many submersibles that can go down this low. >> that's what was used for air france back in 2009 to bring up those black boxes at 13,000 feet. do we have any idea of the timeline? how information is going to be announced? we saw the prime minister of australia yesterday making an announcement to maritime safety officials, are there more press conferences scheduled or is it just going to be kind of

piecemeal? >> reporter: very, very piecemeal. from what we understand, there are no press conferences scheduled. and as far as that prime minister's statement yesterday, you know, this is being greeted by skepticism by many of us, but they say here look, the prime minister would not have said this unless he was fairly certain this might lead to something, fairly certain, not 100%, but fairly certain, that he is somebody that does like the press but he does want to be careful about what he does. so they are taking this very cautiously. >> all right. in a moment, randi kaye has a look at some of the high tech equipment that can penetrate even the deepest part of the ocean. so far, attention is on the surface. now might be a good time to add a small note of caution. this is a part of the ocean known as maritime garbage dump.

a lot of trash is swirling around there. i want to show you some of the false alarms. there was debris spotted on march 9, then on march 12. david sousi joins now. les abend, a cnn aviation analyst. mary sciavo and david gallo, so leader of the search for air france 447, director of special projects. and jeff beatty is a former fbi/cia intel support officer with years of experience. good to have you here this evening, as well.

you see that large object, as much as 79 feet long, could that be an actual piece of the aircraft? >> yeah, absolutely. and to me, that looks like it could be the wing because it's much too big to be the vertical stabilizer as in the previous accidents of american 587 and then air france 447. it's possible, if it's a 78-foot piece, it's a wing. >> given the resolution isn't clear, there are those who said it could be several pieces that are tied together or strung together. >> of course. i'm saying it's the wing by virtue of the fact that it's got empty cavities and the center tank fuel probably was not filled up. >> david, there is reason to be

skeptical about all this, given the rough nature of the ocean in this area. could a piece this big be there after an accident so long? >> sure, if it's buoyant and closed off to the ocean, i don't think that's beyond possibility. when i was out there was 1986 and it was horrible. we had 60 knot winds, 30 foot seas and i spent as much time walking on the walls and ceiling of the ship as the floor. so it was rough going. >> mary, you've been involved in investigators where there pieces this big, haven't you? >> right, yes. twa 800, air france 447, american airlines 587. they all had large floating pieces. >> mary, we were talking about this in the previous show at

8:00, i just think it's fascinating that even with small pieces of debris or even a large piece, if in fact this is a piece of the plane, you can start to understand what actually happened to the aircraft, even without finding the aircraft itself, depending on where the pieces are from, correct? >> that's right. depending on the pieces, where they're from, what's on the pieces, the tear pattern, the force pattern, whether there's any residue on them, any burn marks. ntsb investigators and others are very good at picking up the clues and every piece can hold just a wealth of information. very valuable pieces. >> and david, we've talked about this again in the 8:00 hour, but the elt, which most people would think would have signaled something if this plane went down hard in water. and you actually have one of these devices. >> right, and that's what is

most troubling to me is this emergency locater transmitter, all around the world there's satellites looking for this thing. if it decelerates, it's going to go off. and we've done a lot of work, the faa has done a lot of work to make it more and more reliable. >> there are a number of these on board an aircraft. in fact, if you go in like the first class cabin, you can actually maybe see one of these things, right? >> yeah. it's accessible to the cabin, at least that one is. there's one in the nose of the aircraft. >> so when the plane decelerates, it's triggered? >> that doesn't mean take the throttle off. we're talking about rapid deceleration. >> and they're sometimes in life rafts? >> they should all be in life

rafts. the slides deploy and they can be detached from the fuselage and they're in pockets. >> why wouldn't -- is there an answer why they wouldn't be going off if this plane hit the water? >> not in my mind. there's so many of these on board the aircraft. the ones that les was talking about on a raft, they're designed to go off on saltwater. unfortunately they only run 48 hours. >> but the efficiency is better than the original models. >> it's mump more reliable. you have 16 satellites, so within literally minutes, this being transmitted, those splits can tryangulate the position.

>> this older one here, you have the switch here and you can turn it from armed to off to on. at five minutes after the hour, this is when you test them. >> something this size you would get an assessment. >> yeah, but it's a similar range. but no, it's not dependent on aircraft power. >> jeff, i want to turn to the pilots of this plane. the fbi said they have confidence they'll be able to piece together the files that were deleted. what kind of timeline do you think we're looking at on that part of the investigation, is that a relatively simple thing to retrieve? >> yes, anderson. i think that you're talking -- this is the best in the world at work at this problem right now. so i think it's a matter of hours and days, not days and weeks. if i could just say something about the report you started the broadcast with. the problem with flying four hours to get on station, two hours on station, four hours

back. thank goodness president obama came on yesterday and said he's going to put whatever resources nels to the search, because the united states has aerial refueling capability that would enable aircraft to stay on station. we even have black hawk helicopters that can be aerial refueled. so you can quadruple the time of people on station if we get more american resources to help in this effort. >> the planes that would do the refueling, would those be flown out of australia? >> correct. they could be flown out of australia, out to the operational area. they set up a racetrack and conduct the refueling and aircraft are able to stay on station longer. they carry multiple crews. by order of magnitude or two, increase the amount of time. we all know that time is critical. the amount of time we're able to put eyes into that search area. >> we'll be watching in the days

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institution on cape cod. it's 13 feet long, weighs almost a ton and costs about $2.5 million. why would this robot find anything that the navy and search teams haven't been able to find? first of all, the torpedo shaped vehicle can reach depths up to 6,000 meters or more than 3 1/2 miles below the surface. it can survey wide swaths of the ocean floor. using what's called side scan sonar. >> they send a sound pulse out to the side and it will travel out almost half a mile and it bounces off the sea floor and we get a reflection back to the vehicle. >> reporter: they call the process mowing the lawn. because it works its assigned

grid back and forth before returning to the surface with images. how would you know if it's a fish or a rock or plane engine? >> you can just tell from the return, man made objects, metal on the see floor responds very strongly. >> reporter: the team hasn't been asked to help search for the plane in the ocean. but if they are, it won't be the first time. the remus 6,000 was called on to help find air france 447 in june 2009. two years later, a search team located the wreckage of the jet about 2 1/2 miles beneath the surface. after months of searching. something only possible because of this underwater robot. this is the initial shot of the air france debris field captured by the remus 6,000. >> there were obvious signs this was from the plane.

>> reporter: one team member noticed a backpack on the ocean floor belonging to a passenger. closer images revealed an engine, one of the wings, even the landing gear. before you put one of these vehicles in the water, you have to narrow down the search area. they searched 5,000 square miles for the air france flight and still took them more than 100 attempts to find the debris. that is just a fraction of the area they're looking at for flight 370. and while the team here, with their underwater robots, is ready for the call if it comes, what they hoped to discover more than anything are survivors. randi kaye, cnn, massachusetts. >> amazing to see that technology. i want to bring in david gallo. something like the remus 6,000, you would have to have a basic idea where the plane went down before you could use it, correct? >> well, we had a big -- at the time we thought the search area

was huge, anderson. it was 40 miles in diameter, and that vehicle, we had three of those on one ship, which was unprecedented. each vehicle can cover about 50 square miles a day, the way we like to do it, which is slow and detailed. that vehicle, there was no government program to make that vehicle. it was mike and his colleagues sitting around a small engineering bench that came up with the idea. now it's turned into this incredible power house of a vehicle. >> can you just send -- i don't know, three or four of those out for day after day after day to keep mapping the entire area? >> sure. >> around 1500 miles off southwest australia? >> yeah, yeah. that's the idea. in the olden days, and still today in some cases, you tow a single vehicle behind a ship. it's like mowing the lawn with

the mower hooked on to a cable. these vehicles being launched, recovered, download data, recharge the vehicles, and send them back out. that team worked tirelessly on that expedition. i can't say enough about the team and about the technology. it was suburb. >> it's cool what a wide swath of the floor it can map at once. david, the malaysian defense minister tweeted a short time ago. he said we really need pinger locater hydrophones. not many countries have them. what are pinger locater hydrophones? >> david gallo referred to these earlier with the cable that drags they call it the tow fish. so the tow cable, hydraulic system to draw that in. the problem with these is they're not stable like the remus 6,000 is. as you go, to get deeper, you

have to give it more cable. you can as much as 55,000 feet of cable to get down to 6,000 feet, which is the maximum depth of operating. the remus 6,000 is much deeper than that. the problem with doing that is you have to have more cable. so by the time you get that much cable out and make a turn -- >> we were talking about something during the break relating to the elt conversation. we don't know for a fact -- we were trying to figure out why didn't this elt go off? we don't know for a fact that malaysian airlines bought these systems for these planes, correct? >> we haven it on reliable authority when the aircraft is delivered past a certain serial number, it is delivered standard. so they would have to go way out of their way to say we don't want it. >> we know they didn't go for the more expensive acars system. >> that's an optional system.

>> are we confusing that with the g-force part of it? in other words, you always get the elt that's going to activate with seawater. i think that's a requirement. >> both of them are, the front one is the -- but the back one does impact and saltwater. >> mary, bad weather can cause the debris to degrade, and sometimes sink, right? >> that's right. the longer it's in the elements, the longer it's out there, it sinks and degrades. so time is of the essence. >> i appreciate all our panel. i want to bring up a leading airlines safety analyst why searchers are putting so much credence into today's images and then we'll explore what happens when an airliner runs out of fuel. does it nosedive into the sea or perhaps glide down gently? whatever happened, we may be able to tell early on by some of

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some breaking news tonight. china is sending three warships to join the search for flight 370 nearly 1500 miles southwest of perth, australia, where satellite has spotted debris possibly from the 777.

the race to identify the debris is happening in one of the most remote corners of the planet. jeffrey thomas is editor in chief and managing director at airlineratings.com and joins me by phone. i understand you're hearing from your own sources that there are multiple radar returns in a search area indicating something is there. what more can you tell us about that? >> look, there were some additional radar returns yesterday, we understand. we also understand that there was some more satellite data that indicates that there is a little bit more debris than the two major pieces that have been identified. but the major focus is on the size of the largest piece of debris, which is the 24 meter, about 65 foot long piece.

which one might think could be part of wing or part of the horizontal stabilizer of this aircraft. >> let me just drill down a little bit on that satellite information and the radar information you're talking about. do you know what the sources of that radar information is? is it radar information from planes or from ships, or from something else? >> there was additional confirmation from satellites, according to the australian maritime search and rescue organization. so there's corroborating evidence out of satellites. there was also some radar returns that were reported off the u.s. p 8 poseidon out there yesterday. although they're not exactly sure what they were. there's some discussion about that being just standard return off the ocean. there's a little bit of confusion around that. hopefully we'll get clarity with the aircraft that's already left. as i'm talking to you now, i think the other one's also airborne, left about 30 minutes ago. and i understand there's another

four airplanes going out there during the course of today. it's now now 8:30 in the morning where i am. so hopefully within about four hours we'll get some intelligence coming back concerning more details at that debris. >> and we'll of course be live on the air for that. but geoffrey, you also mentioned more satellite information. to your knowledge -- and you may not know this so i don't want to put you on the spot -- but they last night early in the morning or i guess it was around 1:00 in the afternoon when john young gave press briefing this morning, they talked about redirecting commercial satellites. do you know, has that already been done? has that information already been looked at? >> my understanding is that they have redirected them yesterday. and that data is now being processed and sent through. there's a few protocols involved.

i'm not sure whose satellites they're using. but there are of course protocols depending on whose country satellites are being used. and then of course the other thing they're very careful about doing is to analyze the data and make sure that what they're saying publicly is as accurate as it possibly can be. and obviously eliminating false returns or things that are clearly not related to an airplane. >> geoffrey, i know you say also the debris field is similar to that of air france flight 447 which in your opinion strengthens the possibility that this is debris from flight 370. in what way are you saying it's similar? >> well, with air france 447 they found the tail and then they found tiny bits of debris everywhere. most of the airplane tragically was at the bottom of the sea. and there were obviously as we know no survivors. here we're finding two large pieces on the surface.

apparently there are other bits and pieces, the detail of which is still very sketchy. and if this is the airplane -- and we have to qualify that -- if this is the airplane then it does not look like a very good outcome. and one senses that it hit the ocean and disintegrated on impact. which is what happened with air france 477. >> geoffrey, do you believe -- you're on the ground there in australia and know the scene better than anyone -- do you think authorities in australia have more information than they have publicly shared? because it was surprising that the australian prime minister came out and announced the finding himself. >> look indeed, anderson, i think that's spot on the mark. i believe that the americans and of course the australians working as we always have worked very very closely together have done for decades and decades,

there's lots of information that the united states shares with australia that it probably wouldn't share with anybody else. we have joint defense facilities in this country. and i was very interested that when we were tasked with the southern area south of indonesia, very quickly there was a very precise area. and i know the area is large, but in the context of the entire area that's being searched for this airplane, the area identified was very very small. two clear distinct tracks of what they believe or where they believe the airplane flew. and then a couple of days later we're now presented with these images. my sense is that there's a little bit more to this than we are being told. and obviously for very important reasons, i don't think the united states wants to flag exactly how good its satellite

technology is. and from a defensive point of view. and that's understandable. but the bottom line is, they're using their intelligence with australia to try and find the airplane. >> and certainly the evidence, the huge amount of resources that australia is putting into this as well as the united states is clearly the best bet they have going right now. geoffrey thomas, i appreciate your reporting based on your sources. one other piece of information on chinese participation in the search. in addition to the three warships, they'll be sending an ice breaker, which is in port right now in perth. up next, more with our panel and we'll check in with martin savidge in a 777 flight simulator. he's checking how far flight 370 could have flown with the fuel that they had on board. later, how the families are handling the latest word. we'll talk to a psychologist who has been involved in counseling them. when does your work end?

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tonight's breaking news, reconnaissance planes, ships and other aircraft searching the area off the southern indian ocean where a satellite has spotted debris. the mission is to determine if it's debris off flight 370. the location is about 1500 miles southwest of perth. this story is really about what

we can't see right now. all this week, cnn's martin savidge has been trying to give us perspective, reporting from inside a 777 flight simulator. he joins us again tonight with flight instructor mitchell casada. i understand this plane can fly 16 to 18 hours on a full tank, but it was heading to beijing and only had about seven hours of fuel. so could it have reached the area where this debris was found? >> reporter: that's the same question had. that's why early today we programmed everything that we knew of flight 370. seven-hour fuel load and we pointed it south. a number of factors we couldn't account for. headwind on the route, what altitude they may have flown at simply not known. running that we found the plane easily could have made the region where this debris has been discovered. in fact might have been able to go a little bit further. but eventually of course the

engines just quit. it just stops. >> they do. they just run out of gas and the airplane would start a gentle descent toward the ocean floor. >> if a plane like this runs out of fuel, does it continue on a gradual glide? if it did in fact crash into the ocean how would that have happened? tloip was a question i was talking to mitchell about before we came to air. assuming -- do both engines quit at the same time? or is it possible one keeps going and the other one sputters out? >> it's quite possible that both engines could fail at the same time. and it's quite possible they could fail at different times. >> so if they fail at different times, don't you have a plane now spinning because of the fact that one engine is driving forward and the other is dead drag on the other side? >> in smaller, less sophisticated airplanes, yes. 737s, in this airplane we have

compensators that account for that. so essentially one engine could be out and one off functioning and the airplane could continue straight. >> so somehow what he's saying the plane would sense it lost one engine and adjust accordingly with the other engine, thereby continuing this kind of flying. if both engines quit it's the slow descent down to the ground. >> stick with us there in the cockpit. i want to bring in david souci and les abend. you looked like you had questions about that. >> i don't know if this is what you were talking about. they're assuming you have electrical power on this aircraft. if this was flying without communications, it's possible the electric power wasn't there. that correction wouldn't exist. so it's potential that it could have gone. if it had electrical power it probably would have. >> les if both engines went out at the same time, would it be a gradual descent? >> yeah.

if they went out at the same time. i very much doubt it. >> you doubt that would happen? >> i doubt it. i'm not sure the system, all due respect to mitchell, i'm not sure that what they call a thrust asymmetry compensator would actually be effective or be active with that scenario. the airplane may very well have turned which might explain what it did initially. >> but les and david, you were saying there's a lot we can learn even from one or two pieces of debris, you can start to put together the pieces of the puzzle. >> absolutely. this fuselage when it goes in, you can tell just from a small piece of that fuselage if it was twisted, if it was bent or if it was cracked. >> and what speed. >> all three of those are different. >> so you could read from any piece of debris or sizeable piece of debris something about how it got in the water. >> if it was in the stress affected line. there's portions of it that would go around and it might be

a piece of it. likely there's pieces of metal that will give you a lot of clues as to how it hit the ground, particularly like les was saying if the wing came off you could surmise it may have gone to the right or left. there's a lot of information we can get about that. we may be able to determine whether it was a fuel outage or intentionally put in. a lot of information you could get not from a small piece but a set of debris. >> and david gallo, in terms of debris floating, obviously where the debris would be found 12, 13 days after an impact is not where the plane went in. i know on 447 it took two years to find the actual plane, and at first i think in one of the areas you guys searched it was in the opposite direction of where you initially had begun to look. so how do you go about trying to triangulate from debris location to where the plane might have gone in?

>> it's very tricky and it's a science. there are scientists that work on that, they're good at that kind of thing. one thing they want to know having been through this with air france, they want to know what that debris looked like in the water. was it sticking out of the water? in that case like a sailboat would be driven mostly by the wind? was it under the water mostly like an iceberg, in that case driven by currents? was it a little bit of both? if you lined up all kind of debris, sizes, under the water, above the water and gave them the same currents and same wind they would scatter over time. the trick is to plug all the information about the size, the character, and then about the environmental stuff. what did the currents and winds look like? how variable were they? and then the model over time back tracks those. if you're good, all five of those things you set up in the beginning are going to end up back on the same x marks the spot. that means your model is right on. >> mary schiavo, obviously authorities began looking intensely at this area before at least the public knew this debris had been found.

do you think they've already gone through a lot of that modelling on where they think the plane might have gone in on this southern sector? >> oh, i do, especially when the prime minister spoke early this morning or late last night. and the authorities spoke as well. they did say they were working with the united states national transportation safety board and they had been crunching the data and that it was the national transportation safety board that had come up with the different paths and tracks. we had pretty good clues there was an awful lot of work and smoothing on the data going behind the scenes, which is probably giving them that confidence level to be so confident about announcing this to the world. >> mary schiavo, great to have you on again. les avend, david souci, david gallo, martin savidge and our pilot in the flight simulator. next, it's the aerial search for the debris begins, we'll look at how the families are

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in the indian ocean obviously is not welcome news, even for those desperate for some kind of answers. they've been waiting 13 days now, not knowing where their loved ones are, but it's created space for hope. here's what sarah, whose partner phillip was one of the three americans on the plane told cnn earlier. >> i keep hoping that somebody took this flight for a reason. which means they would have preserved it and tried to take it someplace. so if this debris is indeed part of that plane then it kind of dashes that wishful thinking to pieces. so i really hope it's not a part of the plane. but if it is, then at least what we can go down another path of deciding that maybe we need to start prepping for another scenario instead. >> and how are families preparing? psychologist paul yin has been spending time with some of the families of the missing. he joins us tonight.

paul, you and your team have been working around the clock i know counselling families of 370. as you told us before, a lot of the families have not given up hope that their loved ones are still alive. i know you've spoken to some of them since the news of the possible debris came in. what's their outlook now? what are you hearing? >> over the last week, it feels like we're waiting for the eruption of a volcano. and yesterday would be best described as a partial eruption. there are some family members upon hearing the news have appeared to have accepted finality that their loved ones are not coming back. so there was a strong burst of emotion coming out, some very strong and in some cases ambulances needed to be called in. and the rest of the families seem to be holding on for the next 24 to 48 hours to try to

get the final official clarification. and there are still some family members that are just still steadfastly holding onto hope and hoping that this is not it and eventually we will find them on land. >> and i've heard you say that some of the strongest reaction actually came from men. >> exactly. because in the beginning in the family the women tended to have the stronger emotion. and the men felt like they had to be the strong one to hold everybody together, to support the women. and in fact, what results from that is that their emotion did not have a chance to come out. and when they are finally faced with possibly accepting finality, that's when all the pent-up emotion over the last 12, 13 days just poured out. and so yesterday of the families that reacted strongly, the men reacted far more strongly than the women. and the women i think over the last 12 days, every day they were pouring out their emotions.

and the men were just holding it for that one last -- for the one initial burst together. >> sometimes on tv you hear people use that word "closure." i just think it's the worst word. i don't think anybody who has experienced loss knows there is no such thing as closure. what do you say to families in this situation? i mean, is it just a question of listening and not even saying much? how do you deal with this? >> well, what we have decided to do is this. with most of these families, we have identified members in their very small circle of trust who are perhaps more able and we train them to be able to deal with the situation better. so that for the initial burst of emotion, we try to let the family handle it with the people that we have trained. and we would not come in unless

they call on us until that first wave, they ride the first wave. and the other thing i need to point out is you're absolutely right. there really is no closure. >> yes. there never is in any kind of loss like this. paul yin, i appreciate what you do and appreciate you talking to us tonight. i wish you the best. we want to make sure as often as we take to honor the missing and inform you about who the people who are on this flight and stay focused on the concern of the families. find out more on our web site, ac360.com. we'll be right back. still sleep? just wanted to check and make sure that we were on schedule. the first technology of its kind... mom and dad, i have great news.

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that's it for us. thank you very much for watching. "piers morgan live" starts now. this is "piers morgan live." your host will be back next week. until then i'm bill weir filling in. we begin with breaking news tonight as search planes in the air right now fast approaching the site of what looks like debris from flight 370. could it be this long strange search taking us into one of the loneliest corners of our planet? because of course late last night our time the australians revealed a tantalizing lead in a case almost completely devoid of leads. this satellite image of something floating in the southern indian n,