>> we take you inside those planes trolling the sees. here in malaysia families grappling with information and speaking to us. russian parliament officially makes crimea theirs as united states ramps up sanctions against russia. vladimir putin's response. >> your new day starts now. good morning. welcome to "new day" friday, 6:00 in the east. we begin with breaking news. planes returning after searching for debris possibly linked to flight 370. so far they are returning empty handed. five planes made their way to the search field. two are out there. we learned china is sending ships and planes down to help as the search intensifies. for more on that, lets go to

kate bolduan in malaysia. kate. >> reporter: good morning, everyone. good morning, chris. we're coming to you live from kuala lumpur, about 3,000 miles north of where those planes are searching right now. the intrigue was sparked when australia's prime minister suggested debris west of perth could be from the plane. today he backtracked saying it may not have anything to do with the jetliner. everyone involved offering healthy dose of caution. they are now saying crews need more equipment to locate data and voice recorders. as chris mentioned new york city luck so far for three of the search planes combing the indian ocean. we're monitoring progress of two others as we speak. for more on the latest developments lets go to perth, australia, where planes are rerng. andrew stevens that the very late e latest there. are you seeing any signs of

progress? >> no progress. just about an hour away from sundown. waiting for the second of five flights to return. the first one got in an hour or so ago. the pilot spoke to us, which was a rare departure from protocol here. he said conditions were excellent but no sign. that's worrying. great conditions, visibility good, but still no sign at all. it just underpins how much challenges this certainly is facing. the search intensifying overnight in the southern indian ocean, one of the most remote locations on earth. five planes scouring the area to get a closer look, pieces of debris revealed in these satellite images. four military aircraft including one u.s. navy p 8 poseidon and gulf stream jet went on staggered intervals to the area 1500 miles south of perth,

australia. takes search plane four hours to fly to the search zone. each plane will only have two critical hour to comb the area before making the four hour back. while critical evidence, the australiaan prime minister warned the debris spotted may not be 370. >> it may be a container that's fallen off the ship. we just don't know. but we owe it to the families to do everything we can to try to resolve what is as yet an extraordinary riddle. >> searchers race against time to find the so-called black box. malaysian authorities say certainly and rescue teams need more specialized equipment to listen to the plane's locater beacons before their batteries run out and their signals go silent. meteorologists predicting the next 48 hours will be ideal for exploring the search zone before more bad weather moves in. another challenge, the depth of the ocean. about three miles.

so deep that sophisticated deep sea equipment like sonar needs to locate other debris below the surface. >> about the most inaccessible spot you can imagine on the face of theert. if there's anything down there, we will find it. >> i have to say every day passes hopes fade of an early breakthrough to this. we've now also getting sea access as well. ships are converging on that area. interestingly the chinese navy sending two vessels, also an ice breaker last seen there. that's in perth heading to the search zone today. the australian warship is expected there tomorrow. eyes on the sea going to be vitally important to this. that really wraps up tomorrow. >> it sure does seem like maybe the excitement and enthusiasm from yesterday has dulled a bit, andrew, but the search continues as you said. they will look and see if they can find anything out there.

such a challenge. andrew stevens in perth watching there. thanks. i spoke with lieutenant commander adam chance, the officer in charges of p-8 poseidon helping search. he flew one of the first missions in kuala lumpur and overseeing the mission in perth. lieutenant commander joining me. thank you for jumping on the phone, i know you're very busy overseeing operations in perth. we know weather was a big problem yesterday in perth. today we're told conditions are quite a bit better. how would you describe how the search is going? >> going good, doing what they are supposed to do, like you said. we were challenged with the weather, low cloud ceilings. today better conditions. today is going good. we're covering a lot of area today and getting a lot of searching done. >> i think a lot of people wonder just exactly how you conduct a search. we know it takes four hours to get out there and you have two

hours to certainly the area. what exactly do you look for? >> anything out of the ordinary. most generally looking at the ocean, rather monotonous and pretty much the same. anything not supposed to be out there generally stands out. looking for any kind of debris, anything that's not man made -- not natural that's man made is something that could be a clue. >> the australia prime minister said today, he called it one of the most inaccessible places on earth that you are having to go and search. what are the challenges you would say your search team and the other search teams really are facing. >> just extreme remoteness of the area. like you said, we're talking about three to four hours to get out there. roughly 1500 miles out there. the aircraft, no alternate, nowhere else out there to land. having to manage their fuel very carefully out there to ensure they get back with plenty reserve gas. >> if this is the plane that is out there, are you confident that you'll be able to find it?

>> if there's any wreckage on the surface of the ocean and it's out there, yes, i'm confident we'll be able to find it? >> i think all in all, everyone is waiting for any clue. would you say that the search is going well, or would you say it is just status quo because the big question hasn't been answered yet, which is where is the plane. >> i think the certainly is going well if you define searches we're out there trying to figure out if the aircraft is actually there or not. we've been able to successfully clear tens of thousands of square miles of ocean. >> what's your big message to our american viewers who are watching this, everyone wanting the same thing, have resolution, find the plane or figure out what the debris is. what's your big message. >> the american public should be proud of the men and women we have out here. our maintenance professionals are working hard to keep the airplanes flying, get on mission, get on the certainly area on time every day. our air crew out there

diligently working to search all the areas, and we all want the same thing, closure for these families. >> lieutenant commander, thank you so much, commander, for jumping on the phone. good luck with the search. he says they have cleared tens of thousands of square miles of ocean already but you know so well that there's so many tens of thousands more miles that need to be covered. as the prime minister called it, one of the most inaccessible places on earth, but the search continues. lieutenant commander adam chance is trying to help out with that. we'll have much more from kuala lumpur in a bit. back to you in the studio, chris. >> lets discuss why this search is so complex going forward. we have experts in, expert, author of "extreme fear." we have cnn safety analyst, faa inspector and the author of "why planes crash."

help me this morning. there are two things introduced into the search. the malaysians are asking for help in different ways. they are asking for -- help me with this, the pinger locater hydrophonesking for. what is this? >> it's a device designed to specifically key in on 340 megahertz signal coming from the pingers. >> the pingers with the black box. that's what they emit. they have to here it. they use these devices to hear it. >> what's pinging is underwater beacon. it's attached to the black box, designed to stay with it. just as hardy and can sustain just as much damage and gs as the box itself. once it's underneath there, it sends out a signal. not a large signal. only go about 3 kilometers. if you think 3 kilometers, we could be potentially at 14, 15,000 feet. so you have to get under water closer to the device. so how they do that, they send

out -- called tow fish. what the tow fish does, hang onto a cable. it can be as long as 55,000 feet. >> 55,000 feet of cable. >> to drag this. if you think about the angle from the ship that's towing it, this has to be way down here to get to 6,000 feet. >> they have like 10 miles of cable behind them dragging this thing to get to the required depth. the longer the tow line, the deeper under water, better chance of hearing what may be very deep in the water. >> correct. but there's real challenges with that. you have that much cable. you think about towing that, all that distance, five miles behind you. try making a turn when you've got something five miles behind you. >> sophistication in that. they are asking for those. they are asking for sonar buoys.

>> trying to determine where it is underneath the surface. you can't hear in the water when you're flying over. what you do you take it, you see the guy chucking it out of the plane. what that does, lands in the water. you've got hydrofoam in that tube which is listening. it can then radio up to the airplane circling overhead what it's hearing. again, this thing is on the surface because it needs to listen in the water and broadcast up. so if this thing is lets say three miles down and the pinger is only loud enough to be detected from two miles away, you're at a lock. >> something i've been advised about last night, sources in the military. they said, look, our guys are gung-ho, our men and women, whatever job they are appointed to. this is about as difficult a certainly as they can imagine on the surface of the water. they don't believe they are going to be looking for things on the surface.

they believe things will be under water if there at all. there's an area in the indian ocean called roaring fourds. how difficult a set of factors are they dealing with in terms of searching the area. >> this roaring 40s is like a garbage path. everything in the area comes -- >> why called that, latitude? >> i have no idea. >> latitude. >> you were thinking the jazz era? >> 48 years old. >> this is known for the location. you're talking about how much debris there is. what are the factors? >> the debris can include shipping containers, something as big as that. debris, trees, whateverel is out there in the ocean. >> they are also just as far from land as you can get anywhere on the globe. the remoteness is a challenge for obviously air travel. >> exactly.

it's very difficult to deploy assets there. once you do get there, you've got some of the roughest oceans in the world. you've got deep water, stormy. it's an incredibly challenging situation to work in. >> know where the debris was, not where it is, unless they have updated satellite information they don't know about. >> exactly. one of the things i'm concerned about is why they haven't done in-flight refueling. these planes are capable of that. if u.s. can get resources to do that. i haven't heard anything being deployed. you're wasting four hours out and back so you don't have much time on site. >> secretary of defense of the united states has been asked to provide those assets. that will be one of the components of the certainly. one other observation before we leave this part. all of the attention is on this suspected debris as iffy as it is. does this mean they are distracting themselves from other areas, other potential

scenarios? do you think everything is culminating in this, or do you think they will still be spreading assets. >> we don't know why they are as excited about the search area as they are. we've heard reports that the malaysians are given radar data from another country that has not been named. we've been told that the malaysian and american authorities have reanalyzed ping data and determined these two tracks but we haven't got raw data. we can't look over shoulders and figure out if their grounds for enthusiasm is valid or not. when you've got very little to go on, you can get excited about something that's a rather tepid lead. >> it's kind of concerning to me, if this is the best they have, why the resources? it means they don't have anything else. these concerning to me. >> don't forget they pulled the kidd away. >> uss kidd, big search vessels, asked to focus on air efforts. australia is the lead of the

certainly in this area. one of the things as we bring it back to you. one of the factors, a familiar thing is politics, countries what they want to disclose, what they don't, who is helping, who isn't. that all plays out in realtime. for families it's so agonizing to know there may be more information and there's a little bit of a game going on about what is told and when. thanks. we'll be back with you this morning. >> agonizing and frustrating for these families. thank you, chris. certainly more on the flight for 370. first russia cementing its grip on crimea. ratify the treaty absorbing crimea. the vote was unanimous. lawmakers in lower house approved it, 443-1. meantime president obama sanctions against russia, responding in kind.

michelle at the white house. >> what we're seeing is back and forth, each side making fun of the other. at times ridiculous, even child-like. these sanctions imposed by the white house are serious. what this points to is how terrible relations are, not only russia and u.s. but russia and a large part of the world. the white house imposed round one and two of sanctions, barring assets of key officials among others. their first reaction was to laugh calling the moves hilarious, an honor, saying they don't have any property abroad. one top aide says he just wants to listen to tupac shakur and doesn't need a visa for that. more senior people, cronies the white house called them, with cash and influence, putin's banker and his crony bank. administration says all be frozen out of doing business in dollars, accounts will be closed. the next step of sanctions could be more severe targeting russian

financial services, mining, defense, energy and engineering sectors. >> this is not our preferred outcome. these sanctions would not only have a significant impact on the russian economy but could also be disruptive to the global economy. >> reporter: this time russia responded with its own sanctions on president obama's advisers. they call themselves proud to be on the naughty list of those willing to stand against aggression. mccain said i guess my spring break in sibera is off. my bank account frozen. i will never cease my efforts on behalf of freedom, including crimea. i will continue to lead efforts to capitol hill to bring putin to his senses. our nation's leaders almost gleefully using the #sanctioned by putin. senator landrieu calling it a

badge of honor. still trying diplomacy, calling it inappropriate, counter-productive. he said they will boomerang back on the u.s. and for every hostile attack they will respond appropriately. europe today is also considering additional sanctions against russia. >> actually, the boomerang is probably a good image for people watching it at home. it seems to be tit for tat, boomerang we used before. michelle kosinski, thanks for that. diplomacy is needed. >> diplomacy. seems they are in a situation where there's no obvious leverage. no way to understand how to get russia, putin to do anything they don't want to do at this appoint. they seem to have the upper hand. >> they seem to. let us switch directions and talk weather. we know something you're watching because the weekend is upon us, my friends. come on, what have you got?

>> i'm nervous, it's officially spring. no excuses. such a rough winter. a little snowmaker, this is the guy i'm nervous about, we're not there yet. light snow showers, special down in the southeast. looking for more of that rain out there today. here is why i'm nervous. as we go through the weekend another pool of cold air dying down to the southeast. lets take it day by day. notice you're going to start to see midwest, talking about temperatures above normal for the day. look good seeing above normal temperatures. saturday, midwest starting to cool off. still above normal out to the northeast and southeast. then in through sunday. everyone goes below normal. this cold air still not what i'm nervous about. now lets talk about what i'm concerned about. another coastal low making its way up the coastline. we know what it is, a nor'easter up here. start talking about heavy snow again in through tuesday and wednesday. look at models, seeing about five inches, boston seven inches. this is the lesser of the two.

tuesday and wednesday could bring a foot of snow out towards boston for the middle of next week. not anything anyone wants to see. see why i'm nervous. first cold and snow and more snow. unbelievable we're talking about that going towards april. >> i don't have any words for you now. >> i don't either. >> just too much already. we apologize. we're going to take a break on "new day." when we come, ships and planes over the indian ocean. you know that we're finding new information about what they are doing with the search, challenge into the significant area. what we also know is no sign of flight 370. could it be a dead-end? it's something investigators

have to face. we'll talk about it when we come back.

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the search for flight 370 is intensifying in the south indian ocean. looking for those two objects spotted by satellite some 1500 miles from perth, australia. we have five planes that went out looking for them this morning. one is back. an american 3x 8 poseidon, one of these big search planes is back now. i'm joined by senior analyst for met ron, helped for flight 447 search that crashed in 2007. air france crash 447 is relevant to this situation. we keep mentioning it. why? why a good test case. >> a recent example of an aircraft going wrong, going down and spending an exhaustive certainly to look for it. we're going to use the same resources, we have been looking for the resources to find out what the search area is

examining. if we can find one under water. >> the same dynamics of search. however, this is arguably more difficult because that one in a couple of days in 2009, you had an idea where the plane was. of course it took two years before you were able to figure it all out. that's an indication of the search. here we don't really have solid, significant basis to even have a guess where the plane is to be fair. isn't that true? >> yeah. i'm sorry to say. in the air france maintenance failures right off the bat so we kind of knew the situation we were looking at. the search area we had, the possible containment area was 40 miles radius, probably about as big as your little dots on the map here. >> scaling it out. what strikes you most is the component of distance. ner in the roaring 40s, the most remote water location on land on the globe. what does that mean to search

efforts? >> everything in search is on station time devoting effort into covering an area and looking, looking, looking. it takes hours to get to the search area to begin with so aircraft only have a certain endurance. that means they have less time to spend on station. >> aircraft endurance, a function of fuel. humans also. you had to deal with thane air france. what about that. >> most difficult surge, you're staring, looking at icecaps. if you look away for one second to sneeze you might miss a target. doing that for hours, you can imagine. you start to get fatigued and effectiveness decreases. >> we keep pointing to the urgency of getting to the locater beacon before the battery goes out. we believe it's a 30-day window. they are using son, a buoys. the sophisticated thing they drag through the water. time is a factor.

how close do you have to be to pick up something. >> one to two miles, pretty generous. looking at the certainly area, you have to be right on top of it to look for it. >> we're standing on the map so it makes it easier scale. this is where it started, prevailing theory turning to the west. we don't know why. they don't have a lot of information about

as aircraft debris. we have estimates of the current, models of the current. we did this for air france. we picked up 500 pieces of the aircraft, used that as part of the analysis from where to look. >> great to have you here. one of the lessons that can be applied is after two years you changed the mathematical model you used for calculation. it went from what took two years to just a matter of days, you wound up having the right certainly zone. >> don't get me wrong. we till got lucky. a key assumption in the

beginning we ended up revisiting. that was the breakthrough in the certainly. we assume underwater beacon locaters -- beacons on black boxes were functioning, two of them, independent systems. we gave very good credit to the beacon surge right in the beginning. as it turns out they were both broken, highly unlikely. we went back and said perhaps we should revisit this and consider there was no target during that certainly and that's what led to recommending the area where the crash was found. >> hopefully what we learned about how to question assumptions and what might be right and might be wrong in terms of the variables here. thank you for perspective. >> thank you. >> a quick break on "new day." all of this is speculation and interesting to those trying to find the plane but agonizing for those waiting for the answers. we're going to talk to the father of an aviation engineer on flight 370. hear what he has to say about keeping hope alive. no matter how busy your morning you can always do something better for yourself.

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welcome back to "new day" everyone. live in kuala lumpur keeping an eye on search planes in indian ocean off australia. so far no sign of debris authorities have said could be linked to malaysia flight 370. five planes made their way to the search field. so far three are back empty handed as far as we know. another is due back in a few minutes and an american plane is surging for about another two hours this morning. so high hopes there. an australian official suggested the debris may be from the downed plane is dialing down expectations saying any debris may not be from the plane noting a big caution.

still a possibility is bringing a range of emotions from passengers' families. i spoke with one man whose son is not only missing but of particular interest to authorities. police looking into his background because he has an aviation engineering background. he says he's sure his son had nothing to do with it, he welcomes the investigation and says police have yet to contact his family. on some level do you hope that this is not the plane? >> reporter: for some of the families on board flight 370, the discovery of debris brings despair. for others, hope. omar believes his son is still alive but with the search he's preparing for any eventual outcome. his son is an aviation engineer who was a passenger on board. >> as the days pass, does it get harder or is it the same?

translate the sadness is still there, he says, but i'm trying to stay strong. all of the families of the 239 people on flight 370 struggle with the same emotion in their own way. some venting anger at the malaysian government. in beijing thursday paramedics were called to the family's hotel when news of possibly discovering the plane's debris broke. there were fears some might commit suicide. here in malaysia many families are staying at one hotel watching, waiting for any new detail. i look at you, and you are standing so strong. you're waiting for concrete information. have you yet allowed yourself to cry over the fear of losing your son? he says he feels extremely depressed, but being with other families makes it more bearable, calms his sole. >> i asked mr. omar if this was

the plane -- if they do find this is the plane off australia, will he go to perth. he says absolutely. he said malaysia airlines assured them if any part of the plane is found, they will be flown to the location. until then, of course, he waits, watches and waits. we'll have much more coming up for you from kuala lumpur. lets get to john berman for today's top stories. we have breaking news. russia's upper house of parliament giving unanimous approval making crimea part of the russian federation. in the meantime the european union has joined the u.s. in expanding sanctions over moscow's move on crimea. president obama targeted nearly two dozen members of vladimir putin's inner circle. in response russia has banned nine u.s. officials from that country including house speaker john boehner and senator john mccain. senator john mccain's response. i guess this means spring break in sibera is off. an army general planning to retire now that a judge reprimanded him in a closely

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search for flight 370. officials are asking international community for more sophisticated technology to help them find the black box. more about the flight recorder, a cnn aviation analyst and author of "extreme fear." jeff, we've been wanting to take a look at these.

we have one in the studio. it's not black, by the way. this flight recorder, we talk about them all the time. the black box, black box. give me insight into what's inside. >> this is a big, solid chunk of metal. >> 29 pounds. >> not just a piece of electronics from the store. this is a solid thing. this can withstand -- this can go 300 miles into a wall and retaun that data. >> water, fire, explosions. >> like i said, it's design for 300 miles an hour impact. in real life cases it's done twice as much. this thing is tough. it's recording by rules data. what this is recording, accident investigators everything they need to know about the aircraft configuration, where its control surfaces were, what the air speed was, angle of attack, the physical parameters that allow

it to reconstruct what was happening in those fateful final moments. >> we hear a lot about the voice recorder, an important piece of this puzzle. >> right. >> where is it located? >> located -- usually located in the tail. that's the part more protected usually depending on the type of crash. when we say black box, we're referring to -- collectively these two boxes are, quote, black box. that's recording an audio channel. this is a key, key piece of information in this case. only the last two hours. why? we certainly have technology to record more than two hours. because of the privacy of the pilots, they feel they don't want to have too much intrusive surveillance. >> that can hamper the investigation depending what happened in the cockpit in this case. if there's only two hours. >> exactly. we know this plane was flying for about eight hours. >> right. >> we have some really

intriguing data points about what happened in the first hour. >> are there some limitations to this? we're acting as though this thing is the holy grail to answer all our questions, solve all our problems. >> exactly. we hope, because this is our best chance. first of all, we don't know where the plane is at this point. we found debris that may be wreckage, may not. talking about air france. it took two years after the wreckage to find the black box. another year before analysis of that data was released to the public. >> have we gotten better? will the timeframe shrink. is it lengthy once we get our hands on it, get the data off and analyze it. >> accident investigators do not like to be rushed. we the public like answers. >> families need answers. >> family need answers.

need answers. the job of the aircraft investigators is more important in that their job -- why do we have these? this is how we make air travel safe. every airplane that you've ever been on is different from the plane a generation ago. we've spent a lot of time in the last week talking about air crashes. the public should remember air travel is incredibly safe. it's incredibly safe because. >> time is running out. the batteries on this 30 days, correct? >> 30 days if we're lucky. it's been running that long. air france 24/7. just learned that pinger never worked at all. >> we've got to find it first. that he the key. jeff, thank you very much. we'll be talking to you later. >> colleen keller told us both black boxes on air france were defective. a lot of areas they have to deal with in investigations like this. lets take a break on "new day."

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the search for flight 370, five planes flew over the area

where a satellite spotted debris today. one has come back so far empty handed. u.s. jet over the site right now. we will tell you as developments occur in the story. one thing is for sure. there are no answers for the family. they are desperate to hear about their loved ones. some payments have been made on insurance policies covering the airlines even though the mystery isn't anywhere near solved. lets discuss what will happen going forward. aviation attorney with us worked with us on swiss air flight 111 litigation and former u.s. navy pilot. great to have you, daniel. first, looking at this from the overview, do you believe families are treated the right way by airlines and investigators in terms of the services they need and information they need. >> certainly on the information side i don't see how you can say this has been done by the book or anywhere close to it in terms of how the families have been

treated. you see gut wrenching videos of families getting hauled out of the hearing to try to get information about their loved ones is unacceptable. that would never happen here. >> is it just about ethics or are there legal guidelines of what they are supposed to be doing with respect to the families. >> certainly ethics. guidelines in the u.s. are pretty clear. we learned this lesson unfortunately years ago on the matter not close to anything like that. there was a sense after that crash and that disaster how important it was to treat the families right and a key critical part of that is give them timely and accurate information so they can process in a predictable and sensitive manner. >> explain to us how payments can be made from insurance. what's going on there? >> sure. not unusual, be surprised if they didn't make automatic payments.

they are not much. minimum of $20,000 or so to get the families through this very difficult time. what triggers that payment is the fact this is an international flight. it's governed by an international treaty called montreal convention. that treaty says if you're a signatory to that treaty like malaysia is and one of your airlines crashes that airline is strictly liable for the damage up to a certain point. strictly liable means automatically liable. doesn't made a difference if they did anything wrong or everything right, they are still on the hook for up to what's called 100,000 sbrs, to do drawing rights. too much information, i know, but about $158,000. the $20,000 automatic payment is really a pittance compared to that. then once you develop a case against the airline, for instance, if it's a deliberate act here, then the argument or allegation would be they let an incompetent flight crew in or passenger in or security was an

issue and then the airline has to prove they are not negligent, which is difficult. >> as we know, money is often a poor substitute for what has been lost when you're dealing with life. what they want most of all is obviously good information, as small as that window of possibility is becoming. your experience with families like this. the oh, we found debris, that's great. not great for them. it's bittersweet. many are holding out hope there's some type of survivability expectation here. what are they dealing with. >> i can't imagine. we've handled thousands of cases like these. very rarely, never has it gotten to the point you don't have answers in a major disaster this far into. >> this is unusual, right? >> definitely. the problem is it's really taunting incredibly fragile emotions of families. just to be told your loved one may have died in a plane crash

is unfathomable. >> a waiting becomes a suspension of your own life. >> they are not going back home, staying here, in lumbount limbo. what happens if it doesn't come. given the scope so far and they can't find it because of the vastness of the area, what does that mean for the family's ability to become whole? >> it's monumental. in my experience, everybody deals with it differently, of course. you get to a certain point where you get a sense of closure, whether it's the end of the investigation, as you point out may be years away. maybe the litigation itself provides some kind of closure. you're right. nobody can bring back what they really want. it's a process that provides closing at the end of the day. here it's still up for grabs in terms of what that process will be for a lot of families unfortunately. >> good to have you, daniel. the reality is no matter which way that comes out, the families are going to have to take certain steps to make sure they

respect what happened with their family and for themselves through this process, so the law will come into play. daniel rose, good to have you here. that's one angle on the story. a lot breaking, developments on flight 370 plus early morning developments on ukraine. we're going to bring you up to date right now. the search intensifying overnight. >> it's about the most inaccessible spot on the face of the earth. >> talking 50 foot swells. this is as bad as it gets. >> all around the world there's satellites looking for the signal for this thing. >> if there's any wreckage on the surface of the ocean i'm confident we'll be able to find it. >> a container from a ship. >> possible the wing broke off, remained intact to float. >> you still believe your son is alive? >> yes.

good morning, welcome back. we begin with breaking news in the search for flight 370. no debris off the coast of australia. five planes. two back, two more expected back in minutes. we're monitoring, two scanning wears. for more lets get to kate bolduan in malaysia. kate. good morning. the weather was better but still hasn't proven successful. no luck for planes combing indian ocean, vast area. we're monitoring progress of several others -- on several front as the sun starts to set. this morning we learned china and japan are sending resources to help and malaysia still asking for international help to scan under water. australia's prime minister who suggested the debris could be from the plane seems to be backtracking a bit saying it may not have anything to do with the missing jetliner. a lot of caution being offered

this morning. for more on the search, lets get straight over to perth, australia. cnn's andrew stevens is there. it does seem like the hope we saw yesterday has faded. >> reporter: i think it's fair to say there's a sense of disappointment on pierce air base. 24 hours ago there was a buzz there could be a breakthrough in this mystery. the australian prime minister saying there was credible information suggested two objects found which could be linked to the flight. 24 hours later we've got several flights returning, both yesterday and today had nothing. the worrying thing today, the first plane landed three hours ago, the pilot reported great conditions, clear visibility, clear air, still nothing. the second plane landed a few minutes ago, waiting if the pilot is going to make a statement there to get an idea. likely he'll say the same thing. good condition, no result.

the australian prime minister is backtracking a little. he was asked could this be a container, he said it could be a container. pained to stress there's no linkage here. 24 hours ago give a sense of optimism but a sense maybe things were going to get that divisive breakthrough. it hasn't happened and people are -- well, they are disappointed. >> they are definitely loading assets in that southern area. they are giving it all they got. they do still call it a credible lead. they are going to continue to follow it. all it takes is one plane, we know that. continue to follow that closely. andrew, thank you very much. long tape in perth. a lot of attention on u.s. surveillance plane, p-8 poseidon. i spoke earlier with the man in

charge in perth, lieutenant chandler. we know weather. how would you describe how it's going? >> crews are out doing what they are supposed to do, like you said. we were challenged yesterday with a low cloud ceiling. >> i think a lot of people wonder just exactly how you conduct a search. we know it takes four hours to get out there and you have two hours to certainly the area. what exactly do you look for? >> anything out of the ordinary. most generally looking at the ocean, rather monotonous and pretty much the same. looks the same. anything not supposed to be out there generally stands out. looking for any kind of debris, anything that's not man made -- not natural that's man made is something that could be a clue. >> if this is the plane that is out there, are you confident

you'll be able to find it? >> if there's any wreckage on the surface of the ocean, yes, i'm confident we'll be able to find it. >> day 14 here in kuala lumpur, everyone waiting and watching this mystery. chris, as you know, the more time that ticks away in terms of days, the more people are concerned about the battery life of the black box that everyone so desperately wants to find. chris. >> no question, kate. that's a hard reality, the limited time of the battery. also time makes people more expectant for answers. that can fuel speculation and disappointment, that's a real set of issues as we see what will happen with this debris. lets dig in deeper with a pilot, former international captain for northwest airlines, david soosy, analyst, inspector and author of "why planes crash." i'm seeming skeptical this morning as i have been from the

beginning. i think we should test this idea. i'll start with you, mr. soocy. satellite images, five days old, not great resolution, not really sure what you saw, not really sure where they are now. in the roaring 40s, the most remote place on the planet in terms of distance between land and sea, why do we have a basis of confidence they are even searching for something that is recoverable and relevant to this airplane? unfortunately i think the reason is because that's the best lead they have. that's their words. this is the best lead we have at this time. in addition to the things you mentioned about the debris, it sinks over time. if that's a wing held up because there's air inside of it, waves, could have filled with water and sunk. >> everything plays both ways. if, give yourself the word if any time things are tested here, if it's a wing, if it had flown

so far it lost fuel, maybe there's a pocket and it could float, now there's a possibility andette could fill up with water and sink. it goes both ways. david, looking at this, why would we believe the plane would fly as far down west. why isn't it more reasonable to be searching areas in the strait of malacca where it was last seen. >> you've got military radar in the area. they didn't pick up tracks. really it's a process of elimination. if we know the airline wasn't in a certain spot, we can go look into a different area. i think that's why australians and malaysians have gone out this far. no one picked anything up across that part of the world with their military radars. they would have forensic tapes, i'm sure, like we do, that they can go back and double-check

data to make sure things are there. it's really a process of elimination. we know it wasn't on the indian coast, the coast of india. we know it wasn't on this australian coast. that pushes you further out to sea. take the arc from the satellite as the airplane flue along and did that electronic handshake, that really kind of pushes you out into this really remote area. >> all right. all of what you're saying is help for for people who want to believe one of two things. one, this airplane went north and landed somewhere or in that realm. that's helpful and less likely. the other thing people seem to want to believe is something very far flung, that there's espionage involved, the plane landed somewhere and that country, that sovereign, that group just isn't saying anything about it. very unusual, highly improbable given the overlap of everybody's surveillance of airspace. it's helpful in that regard. i'll bring it back to you, mr. soucie, not helpful, handshake,

ping, whatever vernacular you want to use that puts it in that area. there's no handshake or ping that puts you where you are right now? >> no. that handshake or ping happened somewhere in that circle. one satellite picked it up. the reason we discarded areas to make those arcs, the satellite to the left and right did not receive the ping. you can overlay those on top of each other, we know it wasn't here or here. if it was here this satellite would have picked it up and here it would have picked up. the middle satellite is the one we're keying on. luckily we can eliminate arcs on this side. i want to talk about the arcs for a second. i've gotten a lot of tweets about this. the arcs are not where they were expected to fly. the arcs are the outer corridor as far as you would have expected. if that airplane was past the arc on the lower section, satellite here that also did not pick up a ping. these 14 or 16 satellites that

go around the middle of the earth looking for these pings and connecting to them, we know what signal came. this the only satellite that received it, the lower satellite on the poles didn't receive it. that's why that arc is there. couldn't be beyond it because the ping would have been picked up here. can't be here because the ping would have been picked up here. >> we're doing this in every regard the hard way including looking in areas where we don't know that it wasn't. instead of saying we know where it was. we're going we don't know that it wasn't here, which makes it confusing. let me ask you, five planes going out today. china sending five aircraft, a few ships. is it enough? why not 50 planes. you have 26 countries cooperating. why isn't there more? >> i think the key is p-8 poseidon. the p-8 poseidon has cap able of weaving together with drones. we didn't have that before. this is something the u.s. government has just been

invested in in the last few years. these are $250 million each. the government spent over $32 billion just in the last few years implementing this poseidon program. it's very valuable. it's looking for submarines. that's what it's designed for, among other things. when you're looking for a submarine, you've used as much spread as you can. it's like taking this airplane and expanding the width to as far as the drones can fly, coordinating that information and back to see what the results of the drone search is. >> more of an argument for more assets. the more you have doing it, the better you can be. >> the last thing you want in this grid is to have another airplane flying over and confusing things. have you to have a centralized location. as david pointed out, you're clearing an area. clearing is we know it's not here. so as this progress -- >> less in each area actually helps the search. more is not necessarily better. >> that's correct. >> david funk, thank you very much for joining us.

david soucie. thank you. more news, lets get to you on that. start with breaking news in crimea. russia's takeover of crimea now essentially a done deal. the upper house of parliament voting unanimously to approve a treaty to an ex crimea, the vote to ratify. president obama citing concerns about russian aggression in ukraine slapped members with sanctions. moscow hit back banning nine officials from russia. they include house speaker john boehner and senator john mccain. nine people killed in an attack in a popular luxury attack in kabul, the dead a mix of afghan and foreigners and children. police say four teenagers entered the hotel thursday and started shooting randomly. investigators say they smuggled small pistols in their shoes.

they were killed by afghan security forces. mary barra will testify next moment before congressional committee investigating faulty ignition switches. the problem linked to 31 accidents and 12 deaths. gm admits it knew about the problem back in 2004 but only announ announced a recall. the ceo admits they mishandled the situation. paid a visit to a high school with a week long trip, michelle obama. sasha and malia on the tour. they will visit the famed museum on monday followed by a visit with pandas at a breeding facility in southwestern china. chris. all right, john. thank you very much. lets take a quick break on "new day." when we come back, search planes, including one from the u.s. so far empty. talk with two experts about the investigation and the chances this flight will be found. and ahead, inside politic,

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bair. great to have you here. want to ask you a question right off the bat, bob, we'll start with you. malaysian air said they are aware media reports the captain made a cell phone call eight minutes before the flight departed. give me your gut instinct on that. what does it say? what's the significance? >> i think that's going to be a key phone call. the pilot is suspected now of being involved, as he should be. what was his mood? who did he call? did he have any contact? so far no terror connections and no explanation for motivation either. this is key information. >> another piece of the puzzle, correct? >> i agree with bob on that. want to know who he called and why. interview and do extensive backgrounds. could be a member of the family saying good-bye. could be somebody in chinese going to meet with when he lands. it will depend who he's calling and why he called them.

>> any number of things. lets go back to satellite imagery. we've been looking the past several days. i want to ask you, tom, when you look at that, does your instinct say to you this is the plane? what does it say? >> says maybe, just like from the beginning. it could be, might be, we hope it is. it also says when you find out the photograph was taken four or five days before the search even began that it's going to be tough even to just find the debris. >> sure. not only could it have sunk, it could have moved because of the current. bob, lets talk about the fact we know malaysia talking today press conference with malaysian officials saying they need more help, more sophisticated equipment. david soucie talking about the use of drones. seems like a great implementation of drone technology. >> i think it's good, too. but it's a big sea. i think what we're forgetting here, both drones and satellites are meant to follow targets from

a certain origin to another point. these came up in the cold war, follow something from russia to cuba. we knew where it started, following day by day. they are not geo centric, not meant to find debris in the ocean. i think at this point if we do find anything it's going to be a matter of luck. this is really hard. the search could go on for months. even then stuff may sink by then. so as time goes along, the chances of finding this airplane diminishes by the day. >> there are certainly questions, tom, about the malaysian officials handling of the investigation. there's questions about their capability. even in the press conference today, one reporter asked, chuck hagel, expected to speak, secretary of defense chuck hagel a few hours away now additional

support. asked about adding fueling tankers, it's sort of as though the thought hadn't occurred to this minister of transportation. there are people who are going to wonder is malaysia equipped to handle this kind of investigation. >> there's multi-facets to this investigation. the law enforcement cooperation has been outstanding. the fbi was invited into the command post the first night. it immediately began doing inquiries back into u.s. databases immediately with pilot, crew, passengers, people on the ground. the problem is from the minister of transport and other government components, which are civil and defense, and then you have the prime minister, they are obviously completely overwhelmed, completely caught off-guard on this. either their own national pride or something prevented them from admitting from early on, at least on the aviation aspect, they needed technical help the first day also. they should have invited it in the first day and immediately

given full access to experts from not just our ntsb and faa who are the best in the world but you have british experts and french experts that have been through these crash investigations and disappearing airplane investigations many times in the past and they would have gotten a great deal of guidance. the second part would be just how to create a command post, manage a command post, manage a crisis, and then disseminate information to the victims, the victim families. >> sure. >> and the public. that part of that has been on-the-job training. >> sadly in the united states we have a fair amount of practice from that, certainly from a logistical standpoint. bob, do you have logistical concerns impacting the investigation? >> i think so absolutely. i agree with tom. the fbi is used to this. they have teams that can roll in, take over command center.

the problem with malaysia, of course, is politics. they are terrified, malaysians, this could have been terrorism related. there was some al qaeda network. so far i've seen none, there probably isn't. they were embarrassed by this right from the beginning and reluctant to open up their files as well completely on the passengers and pilots. i think they are coming around now. in the meantime we lost two weeks while they are coming to grips with this tragedy. >> if it's terrorism, it's one thing. a lot of people afraid of that. if it's mechanical a completely other thing and we need to look at that to prevent this from happening again. always a pleasure to have you on "new day" with us. thank you for that. chris. from the questions of terrorism to terrifying things searchers have to deal with in the indian ocean. when we come back on "new day," the roaring 40s, furious 50s, these are areas surged right now. what these terms mean and why

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planes are heading back to australia after scouring the indian ocean for debris possibly linked to malaysia flight 370. one plane is back and others are on the way with no signs of debris. now the australian prime minister who has suggested the suggested debris may be from the plane is backing off a bit offering some caution, saying it may not be from the plane, that flight at all. confirming from cnn reporting this morning the jet was carrying lithium ion batteries in its cargo but packed in accordance with transportation guidelines according to the airline. that's important and noteworthy because these batteries are known to overheat and sometimes catch fire. no word, though, on how big that shipment was. something we'll be looking further into. malaysia needs more equipment to locate voice recorders presumably under water and they are asking for assistance there. we'll continue to track the

developments on the search there. back to john for breaking news. >> russia's house of parliament rubber stamping bringing crimea into federation. the vote there unanimous unlike lower house of parliament which voted 443-1 to ratify. meantime president obama is targeting senior russian officials in a new round of sanctions over the annexation of crimea. in response, moscow has banned nine americans from entering the country. among them house speaker john boehner and arizona senator john mccain who say they are proud to be on vladimir putin's so-called naughty list. federal investigators are hoping newly obtained surveillance video of the seattle news chopper's takeoff will help them figure out why it went down. nearby businesses including space needle and mcdonald's captured the video. reviewing a number of things, pilot fatigue. it killed gary pfitzner and the

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re-election campaign says it's a badge of honor. john mccain says i guess it means my spring break in sibera is off. a lot of people feel crimea is lost and president obama and white house have the not been able to agree on sanctions and aid package. should they stop laughing and start working. >> fine for one day. crimea looks like it lost, putin looks like he lost. can we win ukraine as a price perhaps of losing crimea. things have to be done, bigger ramping up of sanctions i would say. also military relationships with nato relationships around russia, ground troops. saying that should not be ruled out to ukraine. across two roads that go from ukraine to crimea, securing ukraine wouldn't be a crazy thing but nobody in washington wants to talk about ground

troops. i agree a little less cute and more serious about doing stuff that might help push back against putin. >> president was serious about that with ground troops, he took that off the table, we're not going to have a military excursion. >> the best thing that happened to mary landrieu. she can go home and say she's on putin's list. it's a great issue to talk about at the domestic level rather than focusing on military maneuvering over there. >> a hearing. she's chairman of the committee now. >> right. >> are they going to pass sanctions, liberate europe. i think there are real issues here and a little too much posturing going on in washington. a little too little seriousness about a real crisis. >> a lot of talking, some action. you mentioned mary landrieu, she wants to talk about this. health care, hammered by republicans supporting obamacare. as nancy pelosi reminds us affordable care act. listen to former speaker of the

house. she could argue she lost her job as speaker because of the president's health care plan, yet listen to this. >> i believe it's a winner. by the way, it's called the affordable care act. it's called the affordable care act. affordable. affordable. affordable. affordable. affordable. >> repetition is a great weapon in politics. she says she lectures the president about this, he sometimes calls it obamacare. she says don't use that, that's what republicans want to you say. affordable. can she make an argument it's a winner? >> what else is she going to say, it's not a winner? the problem the administration has every person out there sees their health care costs rising can blame it on affordable care act. the biggest weapon they have is repeating these kinds of mantras over and over again. when i was in louisiana, for example, writing about landrieu's race, what you hear

over and over again, they are skeptical it will help their families. they are worried it's hurting them. that's a huge hurdle for her to overcome. >> she's the speaker of the house. they aren't going to lose many seats. this is her legacy. of course she wants to defend affordable care act. patient protection and affordable care act, isn't this the problem, some of the patients thought they were being protected keep their policy, keep their doctor can't. but for democratic senators running for re-election, they are in a totally different situation than nancy pelosi. >> house members smaller district statewide a much tougher sell. want to return to a subject we talked about here last week, paul ryan house budget committee chairman also with military last night thinking about running for president in 2016, on bill bennett's radio show and talked about a cultural problem in inner cities, people too lazy, didn't have a culture of going to work. home in wisconsin district. took some heat from an

african-american constituent, listen to this. >> this statement is not true. as a code word for black, but there are people in the inner city who are white, hispanic, armenian, danish. >> this is not a race thing, it's just a poor thing. poverty knows no racial boundaries. you don't know me, so you don't know who i am. race has nothing to do with this. >> give some credit to nbc news young jedi luke russert he was at the town hall. this is a tough one for paul ryan. i've known him a long time. when i first came working as a protege with jack kemp. i know he cares. he cited work of charles murray who argued in some books people below the poverty line are sometimes genetically inferior. >> this is a difficult issue to talk about in a sound bite culture we have here. the other issue with paul ryan, even though he worked so long on

these issues, he's trapped in that framework of the romney campaign where he's sort of stuck in the 47% comment that romney made on the campaign trail. so it makes it difficult to talk about substantive issues in short, quick sound bites people are going to relate to. >> because of the republican party's problem with african-american voters, is there a higher bar for white republicans to talk about these issues? you're mad at him because he not necessarily apologized but said you took me the wrong or misspoke, i'm sorry. >> we now can't discuss the truth. charles murray, fantastically good social scientist, wrote a good book entirely about white america, new book and how the new problems of the lower class in america, the unique quality, a liberal theme. not allowed to talk about the cultural factors? struggling neighborhoods across the country, many heavily african-americans, too few have role models to guide them. barack obama. barack obama can say it and paul

ryan can't, that's not a political culture we want to have. >> the reference, you mentioned some work. but he has argued previously -- >> he's a very fine social scientist. he argued that iq matters. yes. he said it's an unfortunate thing, ig, highly educated society, harder to make a good living, that's a problem for lower iq individuals. it doesn't mean they are morally not as worthy of health and respect. in fact paul ryan's point entirely was we need to figure out more manageably how to help those in poverty. >> the conversation will continue. i want to close by something paul ryan has talked about these issues, might want to spend more time with hero of the civil rights movement. this has nothing to do with civil rights, everything to do with mojo. watch john lewis right here dancing to "happy" by farrell. ♪

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we're going to take you to the map and the conditions and challenges searchers are facing. some of the worst anywhere. our meteorologist will take us through it.

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what are we dealing with here? the distance may be the least of their problems. >> worst case scenarios. one of the things, notice location of debris. talk about latitude, 40 south and 50 south of latitude, between 45 and 55, talk about polar current. long word. what it means is one of the strongest currents in the world. 1200 miles wide, all the way down to the depth. it can move debris anywhere as fast as 25 miles per day. >> so 25 miles per day.

we believe the red dots are where they last sighted debris. this is something we have to take into consideration. current not only pushes farther but down. >> five days old, talking about 125 miles. only a couple of hours every day to search. by the time they come back to australia back to the debris spot potential this has moved another 125 miles in just that one day. that's a huge concern. >> if they guess right on the current, then they have to deal with the wind. >> correct. that's the other problem. exact same latitude. talk about roaring forties, also furious fifties. these are strongest winds. these go all way around the globe. notice you're not talking about any land intersecting. with that you have friction to slow down wind. no friction here. strong winds, tropical storm force. 60-mile-per-hour winds especially farther south. switching seasons. this is a concern. we start to see the wind strengthen and come higher up. notice where that potential is. we'll start to see winds

strengthen as we go forth. >> location is a challenge, season is a challenge. having no land is also a challenge because it increases wind effect. then you have some of the deepest ocean as well. right? tell me about that. >> first of all, talking about rough seas. anything that potentially should be floating may not be floating. you have air patches and wing a a plane but do have rough seas. we have a map. kind of show you the depth there. talking about the depth anywhere from 1,000 to 10,000 feet. when you talk about that, talk about that slope going farther south. have the map, take you back down here and show you what we're looking at. here is this ridge right in the region. if you're right along the ridge you're talking about 1,000 feet, better searching. once you go farther down to 10,000 feet you know that slope is deep. the good news, a smooth surface. that is the one plus they have in the area. it is a lot easier to navigate underneath the water. >> some of our sources are talking about the properties of the ocean in that area which

deals with the bottom of the ocean. this is relevant not because of available area they have to look at but because of what you're dealing with with signal strength of the beacon. they have to be within three miles of it to hear it at all. >> you have to be close enough. looks like we have the map. if you zoom in, right now looking at debris area, 2 million nautical miles. once they get underneath. look how smooth it is. is the plus, smooth terrain we need to narrow down to 5,000 square miles before it makes sense and they are able to actually find something under the water. >> also dealing with freaky white cap waves. that makes it difficult because they are looking for something white and general navability. >> talking about 20, 40 foot waves shifting farther to the north. who is to say you talk about a current 500 miles wide where that debris originally started and where it could be. that impact makes a difference,

how scattered that debris is going to be out there. farther south, a lot more trouble. that's the biggest concern. >> slows down in terms of the getting to the area. slows down how much they can search. and over the next few days they will start seeing tough weather again which will slow down the certainly period. >> conditions worsening. a lot talking about this. indian ocean, big circulation, most of the debris is typically small unless there was a huge weather event like a tsunami, brings larger amounts of debris in the area. of course if there's been anything to fall off a ship. typical trade pattern of westerlilies, a lot of times you could see a large container but that's very large. >> an unusually large container. tsunami debris in the gyre, comes from gyrate spins in a circle. >> not probable. >> dealing with enough already. >> enough and weather is getting worse. >> couldn't have picked the worse area and truth is they don't know if they are in the right area. this is a lead.

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back here at "new day" a u.s. navy jet is searching over the ocean. the debris for malaysian air flight 370 might be in the waters. how did we get here? how did experts makes heads and

tail of these grainy captures taken from space. here to explain it, wes green is director of intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance from bae systems. my man, you've been busy. let's take a look at it. it's good to have you with us. i want you using your expert eyes to look at what folks are saying is a grainy black and white photo that doesn't show us anything more than a blob in the ocean, what do you see in what could that be? >> well, when we do imagery analysis, we look at it from a context around what we're able to see and pick out on the image. that consists of several things. the first is going to be the size of the object, which we have here for us. we have it at 24 meters. >> here we go. >> 79 feet and 16 feet. the second thing we look at is can we determine shape of the object and what does that shape of the object tell us about what we're potentially looking at. then we look at the surroundings. they don't give you as much clue because you're in the middle of

the ocean. you're having a very sterile background to look at. then you look at shading, potential shading of the object itself. is there something draped over the object that could be giving you some clues about what you're looking at or potentially obscuring it. does the shadow make it off. again, this is difficult in this case because it's on the surface of the ocean and it's not casting a shadow. >> shipping container? a pod of whales. an oil slick. all of these theories have been put out there as to what this could possibly be. do you look at that and think any of those things could be the cause of this? >> one of the key things to think about here, too, is that imagery analysis, something that you're trying to put together a picture. it's kind of like trying to solve a jigsaw puzzle. in this case, this is one piece of what that jigsaw puzzle would be. just like when you have that puzzle and you're looking at it, trying to put together matching pieces, get together kind of a

bigger context around what you're looking at, you know, that's what we would be looking at here. unfortunately in a case like this, because you only have one piece, you don't have the full context. >> that's a very good point. >> australian military assets are looking to get new satellite imagery. talk to me about what new information they're hoping to get to capture in this area that they're searching? >> sure. just like that analogy i just gave you about the jigsaw puzzle, imagine if you're able to say i have two, three, four pieces and now i can the start drawing a connect the dots where it starts to give me that context where i can put one object and it may be lining up with another object. now it starts telling me more about the greater picture. that's really what these additional satellite images would give them. >> further, obviously, we don't know how this object has since moved. >> correct. >> four days from when it was taken until these images were released. there's been a few more days that have then transpired currents.

it could have sunken into the oe ocean. they come into play. the delay, there was a four day delay. is that standard, once you capture the images, you analyze, it would be safe to release your information from that four days later? >> in every case it's going to be different. the reason i say it's different is because in the case like this you're looking across such a vast background of the indian ocean. in that background space you're trying to look -- in this case you're looking to get over 1400 miles of just surface area and you're trying to find an object that's 79 feet? so imagine putting together that. sometimes even when you're collecting these images across this large area you have to -- it's been a tremendous amount of time just to go in and search those images and pull the granularity out from that background and then to find those objects and say, yes, this is of value in this case. >> you're a value to us using your expert eyes. we'll keep you around. next hour we want to talk about the assets that are being

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>> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo, kate bolduan and michaela pereira. >> welcome to "new day." 8:00 in the east. breaking news, no debris found and hours of searching by several planes in the search for malaysia flight 370. five planes have gone out and all have left the search area with no shred of proof with anything in the water. for the latest let's get to kate bolduan. >> reporter: good morning, everyone. 9,000 miles searched but nothing to show for it for five planes scouring the vast waters of the indian ocean. the final plane and american one reported in just minutes -- just minutes ago saying nothing was found when they reported in. also this morning, malaysian authorities con if i recalling, cnn reporting, that the jet was carrying lithium ion batteries but they were packed correctly.

the batteries, it's important to know, why we know this in particular is the batteries are known to overheat and sometimes catch fire. the debris could be at the plane has backtracked and saying it could not have anything to do with the missing jet liner. for more on the search, let's get back to cnn's andrew stevens in perth, australia. andrew, no debris found at all. so frustrating. more resources on the way. the sun has set here. do we expect a similar search tomorrow? >> the p-8 is still in the air and it's going to be landing very, very soon, kate. as you say, it has been a frustrating and disappointing day here. the really worrying thing about this search that no one saw any object during is the fact that visibility was very, very good. conditions were just about perfect. that's what the pilots have been telling us today. we've got some rare access to the great conditions. nothing in the water. with that good visibility there are still enormous challenges

facing the searches. >> reporter: the search intensifying overnight in the southern indian ocean, one of the most remote locations on earth. five planes scouring the area to get a closer look at pieces of debris revealed in these satellite images. four military aircraft, including one u.s. navy p-8 poseidan plane dispatched on staggered intervals, some 1500 miles southwest of perth, australia. it takes the search planes roughly four hours to fly to the search zone. each plane will have only two critical hours to comb the area before making the four hour journey back. while considered credible evidence, they warned that the debris spotted may not be related to mh-370. >> it could just be a container that's fallen off a ship. we just don't know, but we owe it to the families to do

everything we can to try to resolve what is as yet an extraordinary riddle. >> reporter: search zblers a race against time to find the plane's battery quarters, the so-called black box. malaysian authorities say the search and rescue teams need more specialized equipment to listen to the plane's beacons before the batteries run out. meteorologists predicting the next 48 hours will be ideal for exploring the search zone before more bad weather moves in, but another challenge, the depth of the ocean. about three miles. so deep that sophisticated deep sea equipment like sonar are needed to locate other areas. >> it's about the most unaccessible spot on the face of the earth. if there's anything down there, we will find it. >> reporter: tony abbott talking about that, kate. so many major challenges facing the search.

the pilots saying they're going out day after day, 15-hour day for them, they turn around. they're determined to go out there until they find something. the new move in this search is going to be getting ships into that area. they are starting to assemble. the australian warship will get there tomorrow. there's one commercial vessel out there. more on its way including the chinese are coming. we're hearing an ice breaker which is currently here in perth supposedly on its way back to beijing is going to be diverted leaving perth today, later tonight, for that debris zone. so eyeballs on ships over the sea. that will be critical in locating that. >> reporter: thank you so much. great work. andrew, thank you so very much. dealing with this delay. we continue to fight all of these technical issues. thank you so much, andrew. right now a u.s. plane, the p-8 poseidan, we talked about this is flying back from the search

zone. i spoke with a person in charge of p-8 operations in perth. the navy lieutenant commander adam chance. here's a bit of our conversation. >> we know that weather was a bit of a problem yesterday for search efforts. today we're told conditions are quite a bit better. how would you describe how the search is going? >> it's going good. crews are out there doing exactly what they were supposed to do. like you said, we were challenged with the weather. today we had much better conditions out there so today it's going good. we're covering a lot of area today. >> i think a lot of people wonder just exactly how you conduct a search. we know it takes four hours to get out there and you have two hours to search the area. what exactly do you look for? >> we look for anything out of the ordinary. most generally we're looking at the ocean, rather monotonous, all pretty much the same. anything that's not supposed to be out there generally stands out. looking for any kind of debris. anything that's not natural that's manmade out there.

>> you called it one of the most inaccessible places you were having to go. what are you facing? >> the biggest one is extreme remoteness of the area. we're talking three to four hours to get out there. roughly 15, 20 miles to get out there. there's nowhere to land. they have to manage their fuel to make sure they get back with plenty of reserve gas. >> if this is the plane that's out there, are you confident we'll be able to find it? >> if there's any wreckage on the surface of the ocean then, yes, i am confident we'll be able to find it. >> i think all in all everyone is waiting for any clue. would you say that the search is going well or would you say it is just status quo because the big question hasn't been answered yet, which is where is

the plane? >> i think the search is going well if you define the search as we're out there trying to figure out if the aircraft is actually there or not and we've been able to successfully clear tens of thousands of square miles of ocean. >> what's your big message to our american viewers who are watching this, everyone wanting the same thing, to have resolution, to find the plane or at least figure out what this debris is. what's your big message? >> the american public should be proud of the men and women that we have out here. our maintenance professionals are working hard to keep this airplane flying and get on mission, get on the search area on time every day. our air crew is out there diligently working searching all the areas and we all want the same thing and provide closure for these families. >> lieutenant commander, adam schantz, thank you for jumping on the phone. good luck with the search. >> thank you. >> reporter: it is not just the vast area that they are

attempting to search by air. andrew stevens noted a moment ago, it's also the depth of the ocean that they need to try to search to see some of the debris. andrew even noting, chris, three miles deep in some places. if you can imagine the huge challenges that they face here, but the search continues. i'll send it back to you in new york. >> just about everybody, kate, says they couldn't have picked a worst place than to have to search. >> let's bring in david soucie and david funk. a pilot, former international captain for northwest airlines. gentlemen, thank you. nothing found. disappointing but equally not surprising, let's be honest. >> you know, we all had doubts about it because of the fact we have images before that didn't work out. we all had hope. we all wanted to -- i did. i thought it would hopefully be something, something that these families could hang on to, but unfortunately it doesn't look like we're going there. >> thus far, david funk.

where do we look on this one? we were probably -- the expectation, right, the anticipation probably more than is warranted by the probabilities of time and what it takes to find something even if you're right in your guesswork. so are you surprised that they haven't found something and does that mean they won't find something? >> well, i'm not surprised they haven't found something. it's a big ocean. they're searching a huge area and there are a lot of places this airplane could be traveling 600 miles an hour traveling across the ground. every area they clear reduces the likelihood or, excuse me, it enhances the likelihood that we will find those components that are floating around on the surface if they are. so i'm just -- i'm the eternal optomist. i believe we will find this airplane and we'll find it in a reasonable period of time, even if it takes us longer than expected. i have every confidence that our navy, australian navy, indian navys, the malaysians will continue until they locate the

wreckage from the aircraft if it truly is in the water. >> the sense of urgency has to match the realities of what they're dealing with and practicalities. sometimes you have to wait and that's often the hardest part especially for the families. we'll go to the reporting. we were asking questions about the cargo. where's the cargo manifest. is there a chance that they could have been carrying something that was hazmat, improperly stored? maybe that's the reason for the decompression. we're told they have the cargo manifest. they have not released it. they say there were batteries on board, lithium batteries. that is relevant to people because they can be unstable. they can not explode but they can ignite if improperly stored. they say everything was done by the book. how significant a factor of reporting is this? >> you know, i don't think it's that significant because every accident we've had in history related to cargo creates a massive structural failure as

well that's accompanied it. if you look at the value jet accident, for example, the oxygen generators that were stored in that caused enough of a fire. if you have a fire or some kind of event in the cargo that's enough to take out the electrical system and sequentially like it did, because if it would have happened it would have been a catastrophic failure to the level of which we would have seen different information about that aircraft. we would have known exactly when it went down and we wouldn't have had the subsequent pings we had hours later. >> david funk, do you echo that same rationale? >> yes. absolutely. if they had a cargo fire, the airplane would have been lost much closer to ground. the crew would have gotten warnings from the cargo fire warning system. they would have declared an emergency and diverted to an airport. these cargo compartments are quite large and quite far away from the flight deck. if there was smoke and fire away or even in the electrical

equipment compartment, the crew is going to know about it. they're going to get advanced warning and transfer that to the ground. that's why i keep coming back to this. we must have had some kind of catastrophic event on the flight deck whether that was manmade, electromechanical. we won't know that for sure. i think it was an electrical fire up in the flight deck. i'm not seeing anything that would tell me that the small amount of -- probably very small amount of lithium batteries being carried downstairs in the cargo come partments would have had any impact. we would have had the airplane in the water or we would have heard about it from the crew. >> final point i want you to weigh in on funk, we'll start with you. the pilot made a phone call eight minutes before takeoff. relevant, customary, something you want to track down. they want to know who he called and talked to. the fact that he made a phone call eight minutes before

takeoff, unusual? >> not at all. you see guys do that all the time as they're coordinating end of the trip, getting the day care set. honey, we're going to make it out of the gate on time. i'll make my flight home tonight. talk to you later. a few days. he was planning a meeting with a friend up in beijing and letting them know, yeah, we're going to get out of here, i'll see you tomorrow. not so much. i'm not too sure. now if it was a call made in pakistan, let's have a talk about it. if it was a routine call, i don't think it's a problem. >> wherever it is, you have to know. we want to consistently be careful with david soucie, i keep saying i'm testing the information that comes out of this investigation. just because something is suggested doesn't make it necessarily relevant or interesting beyond initial analysis. when they say he made a phone call, people's eyebrows went up. this is about checking the boxes they discovered?

>> yes. we're trained to take those theories, weigh them against the event and you weigh the probability whether that event supports or whether it declines from validity of that assumption so you can use that to determine where the aircraft might be, what was the path, what was the intent? which is really what you're trying to find out at this point in the investigation. >> right. an interesting observation is as people watch our coverage, they're saying, you keep shading it away from the pilots in my questioning. i am because i believe until you have good, solid factual basis for an allegation against the pilots in this situation, i don't like blaming people for their own demise until you have good reason to go there. i don't see it yet. >> and i think there's a difference in the public and the media what's being said, which is good responsible reporting. what's happening inside the investigation is much more amazing and it's much more you can't discount anything because everything that goes on has a factor, not to the butterfly effect, but everything that has

an event that may be linked to a theory has to be looked at. >> we learned that the hard way, air france 447, the assumption about the black boxes and where they would be. they were defective. everything has to be questioned and challenged. david funk, david soucie, thank you very much. mic. >> much more ahead. on the search for flight 370. we want to return to the breaking news out of russia. vladimir putin has now officially completed the annexation of crimea signing legislation that makes crimea part of the russian federation. in the meantime, president obama targeting putin's inner circle with a new round of sanctions over russia's annexation of crimea. moscow meanwhile has responded with its own black list. cnn's michelle kozinski is live. >> it's a strange situation. you see the back and forth with the u.s. and russia. it seems ridiculous, childist.

the sanctions are serious and what it points to is how serious it's become between russia and the u.s. and russia and the whole world. >> reporter: freezing assets, barring entry to key russian officials and others. their first reaction was to laugh calling the moves hilarious, an honor, saying they don't have any property abroad. one top aid said he wants to listen to two pock sha cure and doesn't need a visa for that. the cronies, the white house calls them, with lots of cash and influence. putin's banker and his crony bank. the administration says they'll all be frozen out of doing business in dollars, accounts will be closed. the next step of sanctions could be more severe targeting russian finances, mining, defense, energy and engineering sectors. >> this is not our preferred

outcome. these sanctions would not only have a significant impact on the russian economy but could also be disruptive to the global economy. >> reporter: this time russia responded with its own sanctions on president obama's advisors. top lawmakers. how speaker john boehner and senator john bein called themselves proud to be on putin's naughty list, those willing to stand against putin's aggression. mccain said i guess this means my spring break in siberia is off, my secret bank account in moscow is frozen. i will never cease my efforts on the efforts on behalf of freedom and territorial integrity of ukraine including crimea. i will continue to bring putin to his senses. our nation's leaders almost gleefully using the hashtag sanctioned by putin. senator mary landrieu calling it a badge of honor. >> reporter: the russian foreign minister called it inappropriate, count ter

productive. and for every hostile attack they will respond appropriately, even hinting that they might stop cooperating in talks to end iran's nuclear program. although u.s. officials have discounted that saying that russia has a pretty big stake in that as well. michaela and chris. >> you never fear battle once you know your enemy. >> how about that? >> i don't know where you get these. >> john berman looked at me with a steely gaze once and said i do not know you and do not fear you but you do not know me and must fear me. >> i was talking about weinstein from brooklyn. >> known as sunny. coming up on "new day" the search intensifies. they report no signs of debris in the indian ocean. we'll show you exactly what the searchers are up against.

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the headline is simple but disappointing. nothing found. five planes have now reported back after searching the indian ocean for flight 370 and so far, nothing. no sign of what has been seen in satellite pictures or hoped for. let's talk about how they make the calculations that are involved in where to search. joined by navy research analyst, colleen keller. she helped with the search for air france 447 which crashed into the atlantic. it took two years to find it and days to find the location. key of what you learned there, colleen, is that you have to question all assumptions, right? because there was an issue there with what you assumed about what

were then known as black boxes wound up being untrue. remind us. >> yeah. the black boxes are equipped with an underwater beacon that sends out an acoustic ping and we looked at historical data on black boxes in the past in crashes and we found that 90% of the time they survive the crash and they were operating correctly. we thought that was pretty good assumption. we gave very good credit to the search listening to the pinging boxes. it turns out this was the one time that it didn't work. both boxes pingers were broken or failed in the crash and they weren't sending a signal at all. we had to revisit the assumptions and consider that and that's when we came up with the map that led us to the crash. >> even when times are darkest, you have to consider everything. take us to the map. as you know, i've been very skeptical how they wound up there with the satellite images. what math is going on that explains the method? >> so we're doing a -- well, we

want to be doing a process called basian search theory or basian analysis. it takes all the information you have, even conflicting theories, it quantifies the uncertainties in that information and it also gets people to give the confidence in the different theories. you combine that all mathematically and then you lay out what's called a probability map that tells you where the most likely places you should look first. then as you search in those places it reduces the likelihood that the aircraft is there. you revise the map with each new search and then new places pop up that you should check out. >> searching becomes relevant not just to find the plane, that's obviously the goal. every place you don't find it that feeds into your equation. they had to start searching around here on the straight of malacca. >> right. >> do you think they're going off the debris picture? >> it's not clear they're using basian analysis. >> i think we're still in the

hasty phase. >> hasty phase. >> they're running from clue to clue. they have to check that out. if that wreckage turns out to be from the aircraft, it shifts the whole focus. >> they're doing more than checking it out. they have shifted the whole search south. >> that's unfortunate. they're losing focus on where else it could be. >> common sense tells you it's the closest place they last saw. they may not be using basian analysis. how do you get 1500 miles off the coast? >> yes. they have to check that out, that's critical. they have not found any wreckage to date. i think that's telling me that the evidence is building that maybe that is not where the aircraft is. >> so do they then go back to the formula and start just calculating? and we looked at these square miles so even that is valuable? >> yes. >> what they've searched and not found be is valuable so they'll start to refiep and start shifting the model elsewhere? >> i hope they do. that's negative information and it updates the models. it should bring the areas as

fully back on the table. >> does it mean anything to you because of your experience that they are not focussed in this area? i don't like stepping on countries. that it is not here because this is the last place they knew? >> the only thing i'd say is that's not on the arc. the arc sounds like hard data. they're trying to support the arc theory. >> the arc theory are these circles that they have, the ranges of coordinating -- >> satellite detection. >> -- hand shakes andrey dar pings. these are the regions. >> it's the acars and the inmar. >> the one thing that's positive to take away from not finding the debris yet is at least they're ruling out different areas. >> exactly. >> assuming that they're accurate and not just finding it and it's not too deep under the water. >> it could be the wreckage and it sank, we don't know. they have to try to eliminate as much probability as they can. >> colleen, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> very frustrating for the

families and those looking on. there are a lot of calculations and a lot of challenges. we understand that better every day. coming up on "new day." this is a cruel wait for word of what happened. the father of an aviation engineer who was on flight 370 is going to talk about how he and others are trying so hard not to lose hope. [ male announcer ] if you can clear a table without lifting a finger,

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welcome back to "new day" everyone. we are live in malaysia this morning. breaking just moments ago, search planes searching for debris, they've come back. they've found nothing.

they're expected to be back out once again tomorrow. malaysian authorities confirming some cnn reporting that the jet was carrying lit onion batteries but they say the batteries were packed properly. those batteries, it's important to note, they're known to overheat and sometimes catch fire. that's why it's important to look at if they were on the cargo manifest. despite today's search coming up empty, even the possibility of debris is bringing a range of emotions for the passenger's families. i spoke to one man whose son is not only missing but is of particular interest. salama omar says he is sure his son has nothing to do with it, that he welcomes the investigation and the police have yet to contact him. >> reporter: on some level do you hope that this is not the plane? for some of the families of those on board flight 370, the discovery of possible debris is being met with despair, but for

others, hope. salama omar says he still believes his son is alive, but with the new developments in the search, he's preparing for any eventual outcome. his son, karul ahmri is an aviation person on board. >> reporter: as the days pass, does it get harder or the same? the sadness is still there, he says, but i'm trying to stay strong. all of the families of the 239 people on flight 370 struggle with the same emotions in their own way. some venting anger at the malaysian government. and in beijing thursday, paramedics were called to the family's hotel when news of possibly discovering the plane's debris broke. there were fears that some might commit suicide. here in malaysia many families are staying at one hotel watching, waiting for any new detail. >> mr. salama, i look at you and you are standing so strong.

you're waiting for concrete information. have you yet allowed yourself to cry over the fear of losing your son? he says he feels extremely depressed but being with other families makes it more bearable, calms his soul. >> reporter: now i asked mr. salama if this is the plane that they find off the coast of australia, will he go to perth? he says absolutely. he says malaysia airlines has said if any part of the plane is found they will be all flown to that location. until then, of course, he remains at that hotel. he says he will stay at that hotel because that's where he can get the information the fastest and he waits. we'll be covering much more on the search from here on kuala lumpur. let's get back to john burman for the five things to know for your new day. >> thanks, kate. nothing found by the five planes searching near australia for debris that could be linked to malaysia flight 370.

they confirm the plane was carrying lithium ion batteries that have been known to catch fire. they were packed properly and airlines carry them all the time. crimea is part of the russian federation. president vladimir putin has signed that into law. nine people including some children killed in an attack at a popular luxury hotel in kabul. police say four teenagers entered the serena hotel and started shooting thursday. afghan security forces returned fire killing them. gm ceo mary barra has been called to washington. she's going to testify about the investigation into the switch. first lady michelle obama seeing chinese education up close and personal after kicking off a week long trip in china where she'll focus on education and cultural exchange. we're always updating the five things you need to know.

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all right. welcome back to "new day." five planes flew over the indian ocean today. they were searching for debris from flight 370. the bottom line is nobody has found anything yet except for the satellite images which may or may not be parts of the plane. this is likely to add fuel to the many theories about what happened to flight 370. our job is to put them to the test. let's figure out what factual basis there is for all of these different understandings that are coming out of the understanding. we have jeff wise and a contributing editor to "popular mechanics" magazine and he's the author of "extreme fear." and we have mr. voyeur. let's begin this.

mechanical failure is what we're going to start with here. jeff, i'll start with you because you're standing next to me. what is the factual basis for the notion that what happened to flight 370 involved mechanical failure? >> very little. very little to none. we have no evidence that there has been mechanical failure. it looks pretty certain, according to investigators, that the initial deviation from the planned flight route was a deliberate act. whether it was a mechanical failure later, we don't know. there was no evidence. >> when we look at the transponder, okay, the transponder gets turned off. do we know that it had to be turned off? >> right. so it was turned off at least 18 minutes before the route deviation took place. >> we know that it was manually turned off how? because that's the issue. it went off. do we know that it was turned off? >> i'm sorry, the transponder, yes. the transponder was turned off within the cockpit. that happened before the route

was changed and so we know that it had to have been done deliberately. >> the acars gets knocked out. >> again, same situation. had to be manually turned off. >> had to be? couldn't have been a fire? how about you, robert voyeur, on that? >> we believe from the investigators the transponder turned off manually. the acars smou disabled manually. do you accept that basis or do you think it's just as likely something could have happened because of mass decompression or other ee sflent. >> event? >> no, i think it's unlikely it happened because of a fire or explosion. i haven't seen that they have details that they know it was manually turned off. it's easy to turn off a transponder manually. not much harder to turn off the acars through the flight management system interface. i think it's far more likely that it was done by the pilots. >> acars goes. the last basis would be cargo, that they were carrying

something improperly, perhaps hazmat. we heard about the lithium batteries. we have not had the manifest released. we just heard from the investigators, malaysian officials. yes, we've looked at the manifest. yes, we have small batteries involved. yes, they were properly stored do we accept that information and is this something that still needs analysis? >> well, listen, there could have been some problem with these things but they couldn't have happened before they deviated from the flight because they said good night and so there was no distress indicated at that time so we have to rule that out. >> let's move onto the next one. the next one is terrorism. mr. voyeur, we start with you. do you believe this has to do with terrorism? >> you know, there are some suggestion that is it could, but that's a long way away from saying that there's any kind of evidence that it did. some of the flight profile changes might suggest that the

flight was commondiered by a pilot but there's no evidence for that in either way. the altitude changes we saw could have suggested a struggle for the controls if those reports are really accurate, and at this point we don't know how good that radar data is. >> right. >> there's not enough factual basis to understand how high or how low the plain was. it's speculative. they don't know. most importantly i've written down, chatter. terrorist groups like to talk about what they've done. we know that. there's been no chatter here. you would suspect there would be. the notion that this was a test to see if they could get away with it. that offends reason because you wouldn't try something that's going to raise so much attention to a suggested plot and then foil your chances to do it again. the passports, do you believe that flying with stolen passports is suggestive of terrorism or do you think the uninitiated are being clued in to a gap of security?

>> that looked very enticing at the beginning. i feel that it's been investigated and ruled out at this point. >> that's out. that leaves us with pilot sabotage, pilot action. do you think there's a factual basis to look at that? >> i'm going to throw in a word that hasn't been used and i think it's important to use it. are we calling it hijacking? are we calling it sabotage? are we calling it some kind of mutiny? the world in maritime law is called barritry. that's when the captain gets it. >> i'm not writing that down because i can't spell it. i will write this down which is the coms. they turned off the coms. they believe it was done manually, factually to test it. is there a good reason that you can think of, mr. voyeur that

has good intent? >> no. they would have ill intent. >> a way point was added, they believe it was added before, this was somehow premeditated. it has also been suggested that a good pilot may put in a way point that just in case something happens i want to have a place to go. you see the way point, the adding of a way point, mr. wise and mr. voyeur, you see that as a meaning that they did something wrong? >> i would. >> yeah, absolutely. i fly on these kinds -- not on commercial airliners but business jets all the time with the same decisions and you never add a way point in unless you have some intention of going there, never. >> you say never. i've had other pilots say i might do it. mr. funk says he might do it because he's being -- you know, he's just being careful about what might happen. and let me ask you this, mr. wise, as a point of conjecture, if you are going to ditch my aircraft, if that's your plan, why would you program in a route

to nowhere? why wouldn't you simply turn the yolk, the steering wheel of the airplane and go where you want to go? >> this is the big problem. this is the big black hole that all of this analysis falls into. motive. what were these people trying to accomplish? and i haven't heard any really compelling evidence or really a good story for trying to come up with something that they wanted to achieve. >> voyeur, can you do any better on what i just suggested? why would you put in a route to nowhere? if you wanted to ditch it, just ditch it. >> putting in a route suggests it was a professional pilot that did it. we tend to do things the way we are used to do it. that's the standard operating procedure. in terms of the motive, it is. it really suggests that perhaps that the plan wasn't carefully thought out, that there was some kind of impairment, some kind of episode, manic or psychotic episode that took place and that

it wound up happening as it happened in a way that just got out of their control and spiralled down. >> i will say this. i understand you on comms. they have to look at what was deleted off the hard drive for the simulator. they have the cell phone call to look at with the pilot. the waypoint gets the most attention for what bothers people about what the pilots did. i am least impressed by this. i cannot get my head around from a testing perspective as a reporter why you program in a route to nowhere if your intention is to ditch the aircraft. i don't understand why you would have done that instead of doing that manually. i can't understand it. we can't understand it until more facts come out. >> we don't know what they've done. we don't know what they did. where they are. >> true. >> what they're capable of, what their grievance is. >> we may never know because the conversations get recorded over by the monitoring devices in the plane. they only give you the last two hours. we may never know. >> if we ever find the black box. we have no knowledge if we will.

>> mr. voyeur, mr. wise, thank you for this. it's important to test the ideas. we neat to vet. that's the job we have here. mic? >> thank you. next up on "new day" we know conditions were good on the high seas today, but the search planes came up empty handed today. we'll take a closer look at the sophisticated military equipment that is being used to help locate this missing flight. [ male announcer ] this is jim. a man who doesn't stand still. but jim has afib, atrial fibrillation, an irregular heartbeat not caused by a heart valve problem. that puts jim at a greater risk of stroke. for years, jim's medicine tied him to a monthly trip to the clinic to get his blood tested. but now, with once-a-day xarelto jim's on the move.

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we know that today's search is over given the fact that they're 12 hours ahead of new york at least. five planes so far have turned up nothing as they look for malaysia airlines flight 370 in the southern indian ocean. a massive operation. here to walk us through some of the assets being used, wes green is here, director of intelligence and reconnaissance and is an intelligence officer. quite a brigade heading out there. a massive search area and a massive effort. conditions better on the water. that will improve things. why don't we take a look at what's being brought into play. we've been hearing about the p-3 orion. the p-3 and the asset p-8 are great maritime search craft. they're meant to go out there and comb the ocean. >> they can go low, too.

>> they can go low and being low helps with the identification of anything they may be able to see, not just finding something but able to tell you what that something really is and get the characteristics around what object they may be looking at. being low. having a sensor suite like radar, infrared and night vision. >> lot of data. >> a lot of data. a lot of ability to see in different environments and different conditions. >> you'd think that this ten-hour flying time would be fantastic yet there are some limitations of that. >> there are. there's four hours of transit to get out there. >> and get back. >> you're only getting about two hours on station. remember, this is a propeller driven aircraft so not quite as fast as the next asset. >> let's go to the next asset we're going to talk about because this one is the most advanced. >> absolutely. >> antisubmarine and aircraft they have flying. long range as well, right? >> absolutely. the p-8, what it gives you is being a turbo fan engine, you'll get extended range.

it covers ground faster and wider territory. >> what is it able to detect? >> it has a similar sensor suite as the p-3. because it's more modernized, you can get more of what you can see. >> last but not least, let's talk about on the water itself. we know the hmas has sent the "success" out there. this is showing the effort that they're throwing every effort into the research. >> absolutely. think of this going large to small. it starts at satellites, moves to planes and you're moving down to ships. in the case like the hmas "success" you have a vessel on the waters coordinating but able if they find something. >> they can transport it. >> they can transport it, characterize it, give you that last step of identification. >> and also providing other support to other search vessels

that will be adding to that. we know there are a couple of merchant ships in the area. they'll provide support as well. >> absolutely. >> okay. it's a big area, but we also know they're putting everything they can into this flight. thanks for looking at the assets with us. searches of the indian ocean coming up empty now. no sign. we are giving you the latest on the international effort to solve this mystery. uld save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. yep, everybody knows that. well, did you know the ancient pyramids were actually a mistake? uh-oh. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.

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two things for you to know. first, kate's going to continue her reporting throughout the weekend from malaysia. second, it is now time for "newsroom" and carol costello. >> thank you. have a great weekend. have a great weekend. "newsroom" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com happening now in the "newsroom," intense yet inconclusive. >> the first aircraft is on the scene. we have no sightings yet. >> search planes scouring the sea. american and australian forces laser focused ond finding this debris. >> we don't see any wreckage on the surface of the ocean. if it's out there, yes, i am confident we will find it. >> to the depth of the ocean floor. and a robot that might hold the key in finding flight 370. >> they can go up and down mountains. >>