good evening, everyone i'm don lemon. thank you so much for joining us. this is a cnn special live report on the urgent hunt for flight 370. the sun is rising over the southern indian ocean. as we come to you live tonight the search for missing flight 370 is resumg. crews are back in the skies heading to this part of the world with several new clues. one of them is this, an object floating in the search area captured by chinese satellite. it is 74 feet long and 43 feet

wide. why is this so important? it was spotted 75 miles from possible debris that appeared earlier on australian satellite images. a visual spotter on a plate reported seeing several small objects in the search area. this is capturing the attention of nasa who are training their space assets to this particular section of ocean. and cnn has been given a demo of the black box ping that searchers are desperately hoping to hear. listen to this. [ clicking ]. >> but even the best equipment can solve the problems that the weather may bring. karen, the searchers are sandwiched between a cyclone to

the north and severe weather to the south. what will the day be like? >> it looks like interesting weather coming up over the next 12 to 24 hours. here is that tropical cyclone to the north. so the debris area or the object that has been sighted is well to the south. right now, relatively quiet. that's because we have this ridge of high pressure. but there is going to be a frontal system that sweeps across the region. it's not going to be very strong but an area of low pressure to the south. we have a high pressure ridge to the north. as a consequence this is an area known as the roaring 40s. unimpeded, a broad stretch of ocean where this weather systems can move right on through and not interfered with any type of land mass. when the weather system rolls in it is seeing rough seas and you get the weather system on top of it. we could see seas on the order of 3 to 6 feet above where they

typically are. that, in addition to some pretty gusty winds. the roaring 40s. it is exactly as it sounds. and this is the area where that object has been located coming up in the next 24 to 48 hours, wind gusts around 50 to 75 miles an hour making it very difficult for those who are trying to locate any objects on the sea surface. back to you, don. >> thank you, karen. appreciate you. and in the two weeks since the plane went down there have been four satellite images that could be pieces of this missing plane. the first was a day after the incident. vietnam released this image of something in the gulf of thailand. and china followed that with images from the south china sea. and china said that releasing the images was a mistake. and these images were released on thursday of objects from an

australian satellite. and this one seen by chinese satellite in the same general part of the indian ocean. and tonight we have our panel for you. richard quest, miles o'brien and jeff wise. and former commercial airline pilot, jim savage. richard i'm going to start with you. this is from hannah. she said the past two debrises have been found may have taken three to four days to be released as to being found. so clearly it won't be there anymore. >> no. it takes, by the way, quite a lot of time to analyze this huge amount of data that comes down from the satellite. that's why it is taking some time. they have to get the data and look at it and analyze it. you're right. it won't be there now but you've seen the pictures of where they're dropping the buoys with the transmitters on them. the reason they're doing that is

to work out the currents so they know which way the ocean is moving. and you reverse drift it up so they can work out where it should be now. >> do you drop them where you spotted the debris? >> doesn't matter. where it was last time in the vicinity. and then you can work out. that will help them immeasurably. you can have all the models you like. you will have experts discuss this. you can have all the models you like but you need to know the real data of what is actually moving. >> mile o'brien another question says is there a possibility of any paper being intact on the bottom of the ocean, hence the reason for no debris? >> that possibility is remote at best. i suppose this person is thinking of sully's landing in the hudson river. you could ditch the aircraft and it could remain intact for some period of time. but it doesn't sound in this

scenario like this is a likely outcome. >> alistair, this is for you. the this is from patricia. why no debris washing up on any shores. it's been two weeks. >> it seems obvious that we should have something washing up on the beach by now. but it's a large part of the ocean. there aren't a lot of places for the debris to wash up. and sometimes it just takes a really long time. the material that came from the japanese earthquake a couple years ago took 18 months before it reaches land and even then it was a fraction of the amount of the debris washed into the ocean which was between 5 and 8 million pounds of debris. it could -- it's entirely possible it will never wash up anywhere and the fact it has been two weeks is not that surprising in that part of the world. >> and let's talk about the difficulty that they are facing there. people say, why aren't the

bodies washing up or finding anything. when you look at the amount -- i don't know if everyone understands just what they're up against and how how much water and the depths of the southern indian ocean alistair. >> it's an extraordinarily difficult place to work. the weather is rough, as we've just heard and that's the best part. once you go below the surface it gets worse. it is tens of thousands of feet deep. you can imagine a phone seat from the aircraft if it is carried down it will squeeze all the air out and it will collapse and anything that is there will be significantly deformed by the time it reaches the bottom and finding it is going to be exceptionally difficult. >> jeff, i know you know what they are up against but you think there should be something. this is a 400 seat airplane.

you think there is a seat or something. >> imagine a shotgun blast like little pieces going all over the place. we have seen satellite footage of big pieces. but there is a lot of little pieces that should be coming out of this plane as well. after a while if you are not finding anything that has determinative value. so, after a while, you can rule out a certain search area. this is a huge area of ocean. the region they are searching is based on models generated from certain assumptions. if an area is searched you can check off those assumptions. you have to ask what assumptions can we change and look there instead. >> richard quest? >> i just want to bring you up to date. the number of planes searching to date. there are eight planes in the air today, don, this is the most

number of planes there have been. two civilians, a u.s. p-8 is in the air. another civilian is going up at 11:00. in total, there will be planes in the u.s., new zealand, australia and china. >> is that because is it a sandwich of bad weather, a good piece and another bad chunk. are they trying to make the most of it? >> certainly that's part of it. but the assets are now there. the u.s. p-8 didn't fly for the last two days because of crew rest and mechanical reasons. now you have the poseidon back into the air. you have two civilian aircraft in the air. you have the australians and new zealand and chinese planes. but it takes them four hours to get there, two hours of searching and four hours back. >> miles o'brien i watched you talking ability aviation related

stories here on cnn. >> you are making me feel old, don. >> we're about the same age. but you started a little bit earlier than i did. have you ever -- this is unprecedented as you hear richard quest talking about the apparatus and equipment now there. i don't remember anyone -- i don't remember this many people, this much assets being devoted to looking for a missing airplane. >> i think probably you is to go back to amelia erhart. the fact that we can lose a 777 in this day and age as we sit here with our devices and are pinpointable is it amazing. >> stick around. the sun is coming up now and the planes are starting to go out. they are searching we could get

developments in this hour. up next, it is the theory that many experts come back to time after time. the ghost plane scenario. we will go live to the flight simulator to demonstrate what might have happened in that cockpit. and joining us next is the woman who is a soul survivor of a plane crash and what happened on board. board. this is a cnn special report.[ ] you get sick, you can't breathe through your nose... suddenly you're a mouthbreather. well, put on a breathe right strip and instantly open your nose up to 38% more than cold medicines alone. so you can breathe and sleep. shut your mouth and sleep right. breathe right. so you can breathe and sleep. i'm bethand i'm michelle. and we own the paper cottage. it's a stationery and gifts store. anything we purchase for the paper cottage goes on our ink card. so you can manage your business expenses and access them online instantly with the game changing app from ink. we didn't get into business to spend time managing receipts,

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where the jet went down, the plane was thousands of miles off course. it is even further south of the borders of where the plane could have ended up. one theory continues to persist here. is it the ghost plane the plane flying on auto pilot and the plane descending to the ocean when the fuel runs out. martin savidge is testing that for us. >> there are a couple of themes here. it could be a sudden decompression or a fire. you are at altitude and no problem with the flight so far. everybody in the passenger area is relaxed and settling in. and all of a sudden you get some kind of an alarm. this is the fire alarm. this sets off a series of

automatic events. we would say you fly the plane. i'll work on communication. you have alarms going off. one of the steps is to try to get down to a normal atmosphere because you're going to try to open one of the windows assuming you have to ventilate the cockpit. you also launch the fire anguishers in the cargo hold. there are five of them that are dumping on whatever is burning down there. you are hoping that is suppressing the fire. you have on your oxygen mask and you would be communicating. you also made a sharp turn because you are making a return to kuala lumpur. but in this scenario regain control and settle things down and get the plane level and

flying straight and put it on automatic pilot and apparently, the pilot and co-pilot become incapacitated. maybe overcome by smoke. and the plane with six hours of fuel just flies on and it's on this new heading, the southern course because of that turn and it flies and flies and flies and called the zombie theory because it's a plane flying essentially without a brain. one problem, no radio distress call and the other is what are the passengers supposedly doing in the back for six hours if they sense there is no one in control in the cockpit. i can't imagine they just sit there and wait. >> can you talk a little bit more about this. i have wondered as i have got on a plane. you see the windows and you mentioned it a bit that they can open and many times they are open when you are getting ready to take off.

but you have to be below a certain altitude, right in a certain zone to be able to open that window? >> what do we say 10,000 feet? >> yeah, 8 to 10,000 feet. >> there are other ways to vent too. you can use air-conditioning systems. depends on the aircraft and the ventilation in the cockpit. but you need to get down because you want to land. you don't want to fight a fire up in the air. that's one of the worst things you can face as a pilot. >> thank you, martin. let's bring back the panel and talk about the zombie or ghost plane theory. bill savage, a lot of people, quite frankly don't like us calling it ghost plane or zombie plane. in deference to the people on board that plane, one can understand that, correct? >> yes. yes, i would agree with that. but to incapacitate a crew,

either through december pressurization or smoke is also very farfetched because in any kind of smoke situation that is recognized by the pilots in the cockpit you immediately don the masks and you have full control of the breathing and the communication. in addition to putting out a squawk and declare an emergency that indicates to the ground you are in an emergency situation. so it's -- without the irrefutable facts having been established of what was going on that aircraft and who was in control of it, then you really are just -- you're chasing theories. >> bill another question for you, then from joe. and joe said if any bodies are recovered would it be able to

tell if they died from hypoxia or not? >> yes, they. can and having read numerous reports, most notably the crash of 447, the air france to paris, it disturbing to read it. but the pathologists and postmortems can determine with a great degree of accuracy, the cause of death. i'm not going into many more details but suffice it to say there have been times whether they have been able to determine how the person dies. >> we should be careful talking about the families. the families are distraught and watching this. it is a possibility. >> there is no question at all they will be able to determine that, god forbid that is the

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the author of this book was a soul survivor of a plane crash in 1992. she survived eight days alone in the jungle drinking rain water. here is an excerpt from the book. i was sitting in what is said to be the least safe part of the cabin. the isle seat in the third row in front of the wing. by wasn't wearing my seat belt. everyone else was. annette joins me now. your dad was arranging your funeral and now you're here. what do you say to the families of flight 370? >> first of all, my heart goes out to them. i know what it did to my family. it was torture. the insecurity, the not knowing. like then that they were hearing, one day we were lost at sea and the next day in the mountains. >> the impact of what they're hearing and seeing?

>> the insecurity of not knowing. it was worse for my family, the whole experience and my loved ones than for me. i knew where i was. they didn't. it was torture for them. >> you know, i asked when you were coming on, i would imagine when something like this happens, do you relive it all over again or is it something that is constantly in the front or back of mind -- top or back of mind all the time? >> i've integrated it into my being. it's cut my life in two, the before and the after. i lost my fiance. that was the most relevant part for me. the jungle survival is not as bad as it seems. and i felt it was a story to tell because it was not as bad as people expect it to be. but also i gave my family a huge -- and i showed it from their perspective. it was fascinating for me how

different it was for them than it was for me. it was so much more agonizing than it was for me. >> it has been two weeks now that this plane has been missing. you survived eight days. people can survive. i imagine someone like you gives families hope. they are watching and it gives them hope that their families may be alive. we don't know. how did you survive for eight days? >> i -- i behaved like a survivor in the way i accepted immediately where i was. i didn't fight it. i -- observed. i accepted reality. and i surrendered to the situation. this is it. this is happening. i kept my emotions in check. i didn't cry. and i made a plan. and i kept my sense of humor and did all that. but i shifted my focus slowly to the jungle. it was so beautiful. instead of fixating on the dead

bodies and what could happen i stayed right there and then and focused on the beauty. it was beautiful. >> do you remember as the imact was happening or any warning? >> we were flying and suddenly -- i was very clausost phobic. we we made a huge drop and everyone was screaming. i can't take it as scared. my fiance looked scared and another big scream and we basically dropped. the airplane accelerated and it flew into the mountain. it tumbled over to the next mountain and that's where we stayed up side down and the plane broke in three pieces. i wasn't wearing my seat belt. so i was like a lone piece in the dryer tumbling around. i woke up under another seat with a dead man in it, as it

turned out. and then i realized that something happened. i don't really remember the crash as such. and again, when i connected later with a few families, they were happy to hear that. it's important for loved ones to hear. >> that's why we have you on. thank you annette. we are glad you can share your story. appreciate you. thank you. up next we're going live to perth, australia. plus this we are focusing on the captain and co-pilot of flight 370. this is cnn's special live coverage. ...return on investment wall isn't a street... isn't the only return i'm looking forward to... for some, every dollar is earned with sweat, sacrifice, courage. which is why usaa is honored to help our members with everything from investing for retirement to saving for college.

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welcome back to the special coverage of the mystery of flight 370. planes are back in the skies above the southern indian ocean. there are two new clues. the first is an object spotted by chinese satellite. it is the largest one seen so far. 74 feet long, 43 feet wide. this news is coming to us as we learn an australian plane reported seeing a wooden pallet during a flyover. in malaysian families of the missing are fraz tousled and

exhausted. [ speaking foreign language ]. >> and to make matters worse today they were asked to move out of their hotel and relocate to make room for formula 1 tourists. malaysian officials are promising to do more for the families. >> my pledge to families, we will do everything in our power to keep you informed. i will not give up hope and will continue as for day one and given more hope to get closure to this by the support we are receiving. >> the australia prime minister says that there is increasing hope we will find out what happened to missing flight 370.

>> it's still too early to be definite but obviously we have had a number of very credible leads and there is increasing hope. no more than hope. no more than hope that we might be on the road to discovering what did happen to this ill-fated aircraft. >> live now, perth, australia. you heard him say, no more than hope. no more than hope. what are people making of this comment here? >> well, his comment hasn't been heard widely here at the military base. but they are planning on hitting it hard today. i can hear the turbo jet of the australia jet key-3 orien.

there will be no fewer than eight planes in the air today. this is a four hour flight down. they have two hours to scour before they have to make the long flight back. for crew time as far as gas, it is certainly something they have to be mindful of. but the most planes in the air today. this is the fourth day that australia has led the search in this section. yes the prime minister has said that and we can see an increase in the number of countries involved and the number of planes headed to that area. >> appreciate your reporting. she will be standing by. we are getting a ton of questions on the captain and co-pilot. returning is our panel right now. first to you, miles o'brien. jake says is anyone aware of any medications that the pilot or co-pilot may have been prescribed to lead to impulsive decision making? >> this is in the category of

things unknown from the malaysian authorities. i would like to know more about the two of them and thousand ho were flying in the ten flights prior to this flight. there are medications in the u.s. if you are flying airliners or little planes that are banned. and that's the kind of thing that there are certainly medications that pilots still do take. you know, ultimately, if they were to recover them or their bodies, a blood test might indicate something along those lines. >> are pilots aware of what is in flight cargo hold? >> i'm not a pilot but i asked this question to a 777 pilot. he told me that pilots are told what is on the manifest. what they are particularly alerted if there is dangerous cargo aboard and they will see the pallets. and if there is animals in the

hold, they will be told about that. they have to be aware of the air-conditioning for them. >> bill savage, are they away? >> i would say the same thing as your former guest. we are generally told the nature of the cargo but not the specifics of the cargo. >> okay. richard quest. let's see, had they looked at tapes from previous flights of the co-pilot to see if he always signed off as "all right, good night?" >> i would imagine they have looked very closely at all the various previous flights as miles o'brien was saying to see if there is any inconsistencies in what they said. i'm going back to this idea, the malaysian authorities today said that the transcript was not accurate and it was not abnormal. and we've heard now from many pilots who said it was sloppy,

perhaps. there may be a lot of reasons why. but is it not indicative of anything that he just finished with "all right, good night." sloppy perhaps. >> i want to go back to this. and here is -- about the pressure in the plane and the altitude. and how would you -- talking about the ghost plane scenario. a pilot sent me this saying how long someone would have to put on their oxygen mask if they were at 35,000 feet. if you're at 15,000 feet, you have 30 minutes or more? is that right? >> at 18,000 feet, 20 minutes to 30 minutes. if you are at 22,000 feet. and it goes up exponentially. >> are you talking about a slow leak or explosives decompression

or a total decompression. but once you are above 35,000 feet, the room, if you like, the amount of time you've got dwindles enormously. once you are at 40,000 feet which is where some of the planes fly, you are down to minutes and seconds. >> miles o'brien when you are in a panic looking at 30 to 60 seconds and 15 to 20 seconds that's not a lot of time. >> it's not. it doesn't seem like much. but the oxygen mask is right behind them and they drill for that kind of thing in simulators time and again. i want to walk down the ghost plane scenario for just a moment. let's assume for a moment that there was some golden fire that occurred that caused crew incapacitation and communication

incapacitation. right there that's a premise that is hard to wrap my head around. but let's assume it for just a moment. if there were such a fire and the crew became incapacitated what are the chances that that airplane would remain intact for five or six hours. i think minimal chances that would occur. i think this ghost idea is we are chasing ghosts. >> we talked about this on the 10:00 special reports during the week. if there was a fire in the cockpit and structural damage what are the chances that the plane would be intact long enough to fly six or seven hours. >> there are a lot of improbabilities that add up. we know more about the route. it did not go in a straight line. i think by this point the got ship theory is out of here.

>> you wrote up something about this new theory. do we have time to get to it? we'll do it after break. it's very interesting. and the ntsb is using this? >> there was more data that came from the inmarsat satellite. >> stick around everyone. a theory richard quest hates, but can a plane essentially hide under another plane to avoid detection? jeff wise wrote about it and richard will sound off. this is cnn's special live coverage. [ female announcer ] you get sick, you can't breathe through your nose... suddenly you're a mouthbreather. well, put on a breathe right strip and instantly open your nose up to 38% more than cold medicines alone. so you can breathe and sleep. shut your mouth and sleep right. breathe right. [ male announcer ] if you can clear a table without lifting a finger, you may be muddling through allergies.

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we're going to get our experts to weigh in on a theory that many people are talking about the shadow theory concept. and damien tweeted this, ask can a plane reprogram its digital signature i.d. to fly unnoticed as another flight to land elsewhere? you loathe this theory? >> i do. it comes up with nothing. this is the they'rery that says

the plane came up behind singapore airlines sq 68 on the way to barlow thcelona and peel and goes and lands somewhere to be used by terrorists on a future occasion. let's go through why this is a poor theory. one, you've got to get behind sq-68. >> it would have seen you. >> it's difficult to do. >> the fly in the wake of a plane. >> it's not flying at 10,000 feet. it's 36,000 feet and make its own adjustments. number two you have to stay behind the plane. number three, there is a real possibility that sq-68 would have spotted you or via its radar. and finally, don, you've got to leave sq-68 and start flying at that altitude and radar on the

ground would have a blip to pick you up. >> your scenario discounts this shadow plane thing. >> there is data to know more precisely than we did what path the plane took when it went either north or south and that does not permit flight over central india. it is conceivable that this technique was used behind another plane but it couldn't have been sq-68. >> let's get back to the search for this. i spoke to our meteorologist who talked about the weather. there is a cyclone. how is the cyclone going to affect the waters? >> it's going to make the surface of the water a great deal rougher. it would be practically impossible to deploy the assets you would use to look for something on the surface of the ocean. but that's even the best news.

once you get below the surface it's harder. if there was a purgatory on earth it would the oceans. it is dark and cold. the pressures are crushing and it makes it very difficult for any piece of equipment to work down there. the cyclone claustrophobmakes i above the surface. the most interesting thing so me is where they are serging and how difficult it is. many parts of the ocean are uncharted and undiscovered. we have never been to the depths of it to get people to understand just how difficult it is and how much water this is, the depths and currents, it's almost impossible. i think you said it was like searching for a needle in a hay stack and you went beyond that

saying what? on the dark side of the moon. >> when you are talking about finding debris on the surface of the ocean. if you are looking for debris on the bottom of the ocean is it like the dark side of the move. we don't know much about the abyssal oceans. noaa maintains a system of data buoys around the world in the oceans that provide realtime data about the oceans. and unfortunately that part of the ocean is one of the worst covered areas about providing conditions. >> stick around. when we come back we'll get more of your questions, everything from black boxes to how how much this search is costing. that's next. looks like you started to make something.

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. back to our special coverage of the disappearance of flight 370. i will start with richard quest. this is from edwin. he wants to know how much money is being spent on investigation and search for possible rescue of flight 370. >> we don't have a full number. the u.s. says is it about $2.5

million so far. the department of defense has allocated $4 million so far. i'm expecting that number to go much higher. but as long as they are using military assets, those assets already exist. so you're talking about fuel, overtime and all those sort of things, where it will become extremely expensive is if you start having to rent external facilities. at the moment, not an issue. >> alistair how much water pressure can a black box endure and can the pressure cause it to malfunction. >> it depends how much damage it sustains. they are rated when they are manufactured to go to at least 20,000 feet, sometimes more. but that's enough to sustain them at the bottom of the ocean. they should function properly as long as they didn't sustain

damage themselves on the way down. >> this is for miles o'brien. granted, it is not the hubble telescope but i find it hard to believe that satellite images of earth are so grainy. >> a lot of it has to do with where the satellites are optimized. basically when we are talking about the roaring 40s there is not a lot of need to image down there. we have a dearth of satellites in that area. we have polar orbit satellites that will get around to it. it is three feet and less of clarity. as time goes on and we refine where this location is and get better satellite eyes on it. >> jeff wise, will airline authorities use flight 370 as a teaching moment and change

technologies so it doesn't happen again? >> absolutely. this is why there are black boxes on planes. every major accident you have heard of has resulted in a change of procedures or equipment. and you know, and not only do -- does the faa change the rules but pilots will think about it and talk about it. in the case of air france 447 in the transcript you can hear the captain saying to the pilot flying not too much rudder. he was referring to an earlier crash that had taken place over long island in 2001 where a pilot ripped off a rudder by using too much rudder. he was working the pedals back and forth. >> there have been a number of incidents where the pilots have overcorrected. you remember the crash -- >> that's what i'm referring to.

unbelievable there. >> here's what bill asks. other 777s experience software malfunctions in the past. could it have sent the play to stall and plummet on this flight? >> i'm unclear about your question. the airplane is a very stable aircraft and easily controllable by trained pilots. they just don't fall out of the sky. >> i have something here quickly we have to get to before the top of the hour. someone says a pilot -- the same pilot says i say good night all the time. and i say good morning. if the ttcas was turned off you wouldn't know if an airplane was near you. commercial airplanes don't have radar that picks up airplanes. it's for weather and traffic

avoidance. >> the military does it all the time for refueling under perfect conditions. but you are talking about civilian aircraft shadowing each other in the middle of the night when it is not being practiced. >> can i jump in here. >> go, fast. >> just because you can't do it doesn't mean someone else can't do that. >> we have much more to talk about, everyone. another story i want to talk about. we're watching this tonight. it's breaking news into cnn out of the ukraine here. a ukrainian ship has been captured by russian military forces. this is coming from sources quoted by the ministry of defense. men armed with military weapons stormed the ship. the crew on board tried to fight back. joined by crimea's special defense forces. but after a two-hour assault. there is the ship right there. they lost the battle and the russian military took over the ship and raised a russian flag.

we will have more on this news throughout our broadcast and hours here on cnn. but again, this breaking news coming to us from ukraine talking about crimea and its talking about crimea and its ship. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening i'm don lemon. it is the on of the hour. this is cnn's life special report on the urgent hunt for flight 370. as we come to you live right now, the searchers are in the skies above the prime focus area for this plane. an isolated section of the southern indian ocean. this is an area that has become the scene of another debris sighting. >> news i just received is that the chinese ambassador received satellite image of floating objects in the southern corridor. they will be sending ships to verify. >> the object is the largest one we have seen so far.