shocking to me. it just goes to show there are a lot of things we don't know and a lot of women afraid to speak out and it's great to encourage women to speak out about it and get some help. >> more of my interview with black eyed peas singer on our website, cnn.com/sotu. thanks for watching "state of the union." i'm candy crowley in washington. if you missed any part of today's show, find us on itunes. search "state of the union." a special edition of "newsroom" is next. right now authorities are analyzing a new satellite image released by french officials, potentially a fresh clue that could a aid those in the search for missing flight 370. >> again, we weren't able to detect any evidence of the missing aircraft. >> also, new details unfolding

on what really happened inside the cockpit minutes before the last transmission. >> it's a game changer. >> this as the world responds with more planes arriving into the region. but the weather could hamper those efforts. and what of the families waiting, worrying, and praying? we have all the angles covered. you're in the "cnn newsroom." i'm jim sciutto in for fredricka whitfield. we are following new developments in the mystery of malaysian airlines flight 370. we have updates on the search and intriguing new information about the last data sent from the plane before it disappeared, first on the search, malaysian authorities say france gave them a third satellite image today showing possible debris again in the southern indian ocean. chinese and australian satellites have also spotted octobers there. today eight planes and ship searched that area of the ocean but unfortunately they didn't find anything. they did find one thing, though,

yesterday, a wooden pallet with strapping belts floating in the water. they're used in the airline industry but also in shipping so it's not clear where this pallet came from. also malaysian authorities clarified today what was in that last transmission from the plane's communication system at 10:07 a.m. the night that the jet disappeared. officials say it showed nothing unusual and that the plane was still heading for beijing. that appears to undermine the idea that the plane's computer was reprogrammed to take a different route before the flight. i want to get right to those new images that malaysia got today from france. we have cnn's will ripley in kuala lumpur. will, down there, what's the reaction to these images? now you have three different countries with their satellites -- australia, china, france -- with some data indicate kwh indicating what could be debris in that area. what's the reaction as to how serious this is? >> reporter: well, i'll sure tell you the reaction at subban airport here, ref planes leaving

this area, heading down to foert assist in the search&rescue operation. that shows you right there that the resources being moved closer to this area, about 1,500 miles off of perth where this suspected dee brie is located. this is really interesting. this is one of the most solid leads we have so far because as you mentioned we have three countries -- australia, china, and france -- that all claim to have satellite images that show in this general area what they think could possibly be debris from flight 370. again, we have to emphasize the word possible because as we saw with china earlier, there was another satellite image released that turned out not to be anything. so we have to say this could be, but one of the most promising leads we've seen in this investigation now stretching more than two weeks. >> no question as we always say on the air they're working with the best clues they have, not necessarily definitive but the best information they have. we understand as well that nasa is going to help with the search. how are they going to

contribute? >> well, we know that nasa's satellites are in this area trained over this area, and the request has been made by the australian government for the nasa satellites to now specifically focus in on this area in the southern indian ocean off of australia to take a close look and see if they can also get any sort of image of what is suspected to be this particular debris. we know that these are very high-resolution satellites. they could be able to get a more clear snapshot. the only issue here is once you see it on a satellite actually finding it went you fly a plane out there, that's proven to be quite a challenge. we have a tropical cyclone in the area making conditions treachero treacherous. i was up yesterday. we had to fly around the cyclone and cult our search early, flying through lightning on way back to subban airport at kuala lumpur. obviously once you have the image, that's step one. step two is getting out there and finding something. >> frustrating so far. thanks, will ripley in kuala lumpur. and also, will, welcome to cnn.

great to have you on this story. so we want to get now to some analysis of today's developments. we have mary see schiavo, formerly with the ntsb. rick gillespie, airplane recovery consultant and author of "finding amelia." kip darby is head of his own aviation firm and cnn safety analyst david soucy. good to have you all here. a meeting of the minds. today we have new developments. mary, just on this news that malaysian authorities said today about data coming from that cockpit, because you remember a little more than a week ago there were reports, indications that that turn to the west after the plane lost contact might have been preprogrammed and this

added to the theory that the pilots might have done this on purpose or that it was premeditated. now you have word at least from the malaysians that that is not the case. there was nothing from the plane to indicate that that turn was preprogrammed. how important a development do you think that is and for you does it undermine the theory the pilots were somehow intentionally involved? >> well, i mean, i never thought the pilots were intentionally involved. we were pondering this 12-minute gap. what happened was because this was thought to have been programmed in by the pilots, and the last communication was 12 minutes after they thought this was programmed in, no one could understand why the pilots were having a mayday or having a cockpit intrusion or if it was a hijacking or if they were on fire or rapid decompression, why they didn't issue a mayday or inform somebody or turn around. now if this wasn't preprogrammed in, there is no mystery.

we don't have a 12-minute gap of i whooi didn't the pilot say anything. quite likely they didn't have time to say a word after whatever happened, happened. >> just to be clear, mary, for you this gives you an indication that they were responding to some sort of event in that cockpit. >> oh, absolutely. and especially since there's not one -- there's literally not a shred of evidence that anyone has turned up of pilot suicide, terrorism, sabotage, or hijack. so this hopefully will help people focus on the important events, maybe even now that they know this wasn't a prepammed event, maybe perhaps we can zero in on the headings even better and not have to rely on just a few satellite handshakes. i think it's very, very helpful as long as people focus on it and work like crazy from this clue to pinpoint the plane in the water and still not chase the northern route. >> i'm glad you brought the

point about terrorism. i've been talking to intelligence sources since this plane disappeared 16 days ago and they've told me repeatedly no indications of a connection to terrorism. i wonder, david, if i can you just this question because these are all theories, that's the best that investigators have at this point are theories. there have been cases in the past where governments, flagship airline, for instance, in the egyptair case where there were indications and, you know, pretty hard proof that the pilots flew that plane into the water, that was a conclusion the government wouldn't accept. that was a flag carrier. do you get any sense that the malaysian airlines would push back on a theory like that because it's a flagship, because it's a flagship airline or have you seen, as this investigation has developed, a better cooperation in sharing of intelligence, et cetera, from malaysian authorities? >> what i see is that the malaysian authorities are starting to learn how to run an accident investigation and they're going back and forth because of the fact they simply

don't have the experience. you look at the news conference when a piece of paper was handed to the official to say, hey, this is information. i've been accused of not sharing so here it is. you know, that gives me -- i feel for these guys because they're really trying to do the best they can. it's just they don't have the experience. now that the information is coming out, i think they've accepted that we don't know what we don't know and we're starting to work together and share information in the way that it's appropriately shared after it's been validated and has some good information that we can say we have good confidence that this is true or it's not true. i feel like it's moving forward now and as mary said now hopefully we can focus on the real facts. i doubt that that was preprogrammed into -- that turn was preprogrammed in the first place because there's nothing on the aircraft that would have reported that, so i couldn't understand where they got the information. soy didn't put a high level of confidence in that in the first place. >> thanks very much. we're going to have to take a quick break here. rick and kit, i'm going to get

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welcome back. the malaysian government saying sunday, the last transmission from the plane that wirelessly sends flight data back to the ground, direction, speed, et cetera, conditions of the engines, that that last transmission from acars sent at 1:07 a.m. several minutes before the plane had its last "good

night" communication showed nothing unusual, including it did not include information that a turn, this turn to the west that has become familiar to us now, was preprogrammed into the computer. why is that significant? because little more than a week ago there was a theory and some reporting that in fact the plane sent back a signal to show that that turn to the west was preprogrammed. it was not sudden. it was not in reaction to something that happened in the cockpit but that someone plugged it into that computer before the turn took place and therefore, because of this change from the malaysian authorities undermines ta the theory that somehow the pilots premeditated this turn. i want to go to kit darby because he himself a retired commercial airline pilot, head of his own today aviation consulting firm, i wonder if you can help and probably better than me walk our viewers through why this new information from malaysian authorities is important as investigators try to figure out what happened to this plane and who was responsible.

>> good afternoon, jim. i initially had a theory myself that something happened that was immediate -- required immediate attenti attention. the whole concept of acars reporting information contrary to that sort of dashed that theory. we're back to the point where the pilots easily could have been dealing with an internal problem or had a gun to their head. they can't really say. but the fact that it would be premeditated would take away all those other scenarios. so acars is doing its normal job, they have normal communication, they have normal acars reporting, and then a line is drawn and things change drastically. we have to look at what things could cause the pilot, for instance, to turn back. and a pilot would turn back if he -- his plane is in trouble. and that's why he wouldn't descend and land. there are other issues. every theory as holes in it. we don't have enough information to make a complete picture. but the fact that akors and prepamming of the flight management system didn't occur prior to this line being drawn leaves open the option that the

pilot was simply dealing with a very difficult problem, and although not a zero probability that he would communicate first, controlling the plane and getting the plane where he wants it to go could easily be the first priority if there was something like fire or smoke involved, he could put on an oxygen mask. sounds like a simple thing, but it complicates both flying the plane and communicating. so if it was electrical, then all the things at once could be electrically based. typically when we have one problem, we say, well, the piece broke. but if we have several problems, several communications cut at the same time, we would most likely look at a power source or several. now we're faced with this possible that something happened, electrical, fire, smoke, the pilot had his hands full, he was making an attempt to return initially and what happened after that we have no additional information. >> that's very helpful, kit. just to reiterate to our audience that the key here is sequence, really, because when the initial report came out about a week ago which now the

malaysian authorities are contradicting that this turn had been preprogrammed 12 some-odd minutes before the plane took that turn, it gave an indication at the time that when the cockpit said "good night," an odd communication to give, to say everything's fine when in fact you prepam programmed a turn off course to the city of beijing, the sequence in key raised questions about whether this was intentional. now, again, to reiterate, we're being told by malaysian authorities that in fact at 1:07, that last wireless communication from plane via the acars system, there was no indication this turn had been preprogrammed. i wonder if i could bring you back, as well, mary, just for someone who's investigated incidents like this before, just explain to our viewers why that sequencing is important and why this new information changes that. as you said earlier, undermines the theory that this was intentional. >> all right. well, in prior accidents and things that are similar and at least for my part, when i look at a case, guy back to previous

accidents that give clues how this might have happened. and what occurs is you're flying your own course. you do have other waypoints, other alternates entered in but only safeties. for example, this if you can't get into beijing in this case, you would have to have something else entered in. here some earlier reports aid said that, no, no, the pilots entered waypoint, way off the course of beijing or their safety and they did that in advance, so that showed they had something nefarious in mind. but there was no evidence of that. there were just media reports and news reports coming out from various sources. and so what would happen is if you're communicating air traffic control ordinarily if you have an emergency, if something -- a rapid decompression in the plane, meaning your plane has burst is somewhere, literally like letting a leak out and you can't breathe, don't have oxygen, have to get your oxygen masks on, and also fit with the theory that another pilot had

heard a garbled communication from that plane, but all of that was difficult to reconcile from the time the reports were that pilots put in this turn and were intending, based on input of data, were intending some kind of a turn and their last communication was 12 minutes, and that didn't jive with anything because if you're fighting for control of your aircraft, if you're fighting for your life, you're going to try to let somebody know. now if it wasn't preprogrammed, what you do not have, you do not have any malice afore thougerafo evil intent, you're likely a pilot involved in heroism rather than terrorism. >> that's a great point. i want to bring rick gillespie in because your job is about finding lost airplanes, including your book, "finding amelia," the story of amelia earha earhart, because this theory about this turn was under control as opposed to reacting to something was based not just on the acars data but also on the information that when the

plane took that turn it followed very closely waypoints, radar points used for navigation by airplanes, and it followed them so perfectly that it was an indication to investigators that this was not under the control of the pilot when it wouldn't be 100% perfect but more likely under the control of auto pilot or of the computer of the airplane. i wonder what kind of indication that gives you, particularly for someone who's trying to track where disappearing planes ended up. >> it's incredible to me to see how everyone in this case is acting just like people acted in 1937 with the earhart loss. the assumption that something happened so quickly that there was no time for a distress call. the last communication from earhart indicated that she knew she was having trouble finding the island she was looking for, there was no mayday, no "we're going down," anything like that, just as in this case.

i'm going to argue for an open mind here. everybody is concerned about, well, it wasn't preprogrammed, but it could be programmed at the time the pilot wanted to execute the maneuver, just a matter of reaching down, boop, boop, boop, program. he probably knows acars is reporting this. if there is a criminal act here, it was very well planned. and i don't think we can throw that out just because somebody would have made a mistake and left a trail for what they want to do. when an airplane changes course and heads in a different direction under control as this seems to be, it's on its way somewhere. where was that airplane headed? why is no one asking that question? so maybe there's wreckage in the

south indian ocean. maybe it's an consistent. i hope it is. but let's keep an open mind here. let's not build a house of cards. >> well, listen, you make a good point that all theorys are still open because investigator have made no final conclusions, just new information, taking the information as it comes. i want to thank our panel. so many difficult issues to explain to our viewers here. mary, ric, kit, and david, we'll have yor yao back to talk more in just a few minutes. but first, searching a vast, dark ocean poses a range of technical problems. we'll talk about them.

the south indian ocean is one of the most remote places on the planet and not only that it's incredibly hostile to searchers with huge waves and strong currents and depths that are ice cold. for more on the technical challenge of a deep-sea search, we turn to the director of research and conservation at the aquarium. alistair, we know how did i feel this is, 1,500 miles south and west of australia. beyond its remoteness, what else is did i feel about thfficult a terms of searching for a plane like this? >> the conditions on the surface of the water are part of the problem. it's also a poorly surveyed part of the ocean. we don't have a lot of data buoys that provide a lot of realtime information about what the ocean is doing so we lack a lot of basic information that is

necessary before you plan a search and recovery of the sort being undertaken. it's a long way off the stale january coast, b-- off the aust water but finding anything becomes practically impossible. >> what kind of special equipment will searchers need? yesterday on the program we were looking at a mini sub, an unmanned sub used to find other planes, missing ship, et cetera. what kind of technology are we talking snabt. >> the first thing they're going to do is narrow the search area using aerial assets. when they're ready to start looking below the surface of the water they'll probably bring in surface-driven sonar, survey equipment that will be able to tow back and forth across the surface and see what the bottom looks like. but it's so deep there the resolution of the sonar survey at that sort is not enough to

pick out individual pieces of debris but maybe something that's interesting and at that point you have to deploy other pieces of equipment that can go deeper, things like remotely operated vehicles. those go down to the bottom. they're tethered to the surface via cable and eventually a robot submarine you can drive around from the surface and it will either survey the bottom with sound or look directly with lights and see if it can find more debris that way. >> it's a tough thing. i've seen the images they look on the first scans and they look like amorphous shapes. you have to use magic as much as anything else. this is uncomfortable but air france, two years before they found that plane but they knew where it went down in general. is there a chance this plane will never be found? >> i think there that's a significant possibility, and i'm obviously loathe to say, that very disappointing for the families involved. but when the ocean reclaims things as it so often does, very

often there's very little sign. we have this notion that we know every part of the planet and that there should be some sign, but there are parts of the planet still beyond our reach. and the deep oceans is one of those plays. if the deep ocean reclaims something like this, there is a good possibility that we won't find it and it will suffer the same fate as millions of ship wrecks and other lost things that have been reclaimed by the ocean over the course of the last centuries. >> it's an incredible thought to think in this age of sort of super surveillance, slilts in the sky and everything, there might be part of the planet we don't know very well. thanks to alistair dove of the georgia aquarium. we have continuing coverage of the search for flight 370 including this theory. an upstart. gotta get going. gotta be good. good? good. growth is the goal. how do we do that? i talked to ups. they'll help us out. new technology. smart advice. we focus on the business

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welcome back. i'm jim sciutto in new york. we're entering the 17th day since malaysian airlines flight 370 vanish and we're learning new details today. malaysian authorities say france also has a satellite image showing possible debris in that same area of the southern indian ocean. that's the third satellite image to show objects in that search area but search crews flying from the air still haven't been able to find whatever those objects might be. still the australian prime minister expressed some hope this weekend. here's what he had to say. >> obviously, we have now had a number of very credible leads and there is increasing hope, no more than hope, no more than hope, that we might be on the road to discovering what did happen to this ill-fated aircraft. >> in another development

malaysian officials said today the last data transmission from the plane did not show a route change, contradicting earlier indication someone may have preprogrammed a route change in that cob pim before the last communication before the cockpit. now with no continue crease evidence in hand, theories on what happened to flight 370 continue to live on. and one of them is the so-called shadow plane theory, that flight 370 was obscured by another aircraft on radar. chad myers from atlanta joins me now. he's been looking into this theory and is explaining why it still has some traction. chad, walk us through it and why this theory still appeals plausible to some. >> it still has traction because immarsat still hasn't given us all the pings. as soon as we know where all the pings are from all the hours we can maybe throw this theory away but this is not disproven just yet. here's what the shadow theory says. heath ledgewood is on twitter with, this basically came up with this. he said 370 took off here to the

waypoint and turned left, like everybody knows it did, and went right over that airport where remember the first guy said there was a fire here and he was headed for the airport. that's the airport he was headed for. but at the same time or maybe an hour later there was a singapore air flight 68 coming straight up the straight of malacca, straight through here. guess what? this plane here was at 30,000 feet. we still know that this plane at some point in the strait of malacca was at 29,500 feet with only within a few miles of this plane. that doesn't prove any theory whatsoever. what we need to figure out are the pings. so i have drawn six -- this is singapore airlines flight 68, flight path to barcelona. that's what t it looks like. here's where the pings would have been at those times. so here's what the ping pattern would have to look like for sia 68 here and also mh-370 if those pings are correct.

a line here but a line closer and a line farther away. then a line farther away, then a line farther than that. as we get here, we are still close to this outer circle, the outer last ping where the plane could be on the northern arc or the southern arc so, we can't throw this away. what we see is that if the transponder is turned off and the secondary radar shoots a target, singapore 68, and whether mh 370 is above or below doesn't really matter. if it's close enough, that secondary radar will only see one target, this will ping back down and say here i am, sia 68, the radar controller says there's 68, he there's all the time, flying to the north. this still hasn't been disproven. we have reached out to immarsat, so has keith to figure out if those pings are in that pattern. if they continue to move away from the satellite, all this is for naught. but for now we don't know. >> interesting. another one of those case where is without all the data there

it's impossible not only to zero in on a correct theory but also eliminate other theories which may not turn out to be right but it's a process of elimination at this point i suppose. >> exactly right. >> chad myers in atlanta, thanks very much. when we come back, new information on that search for flight 370.

welcome back. i'm jim sciutto in new york. i want to bring our panel of experts now to continue our conversation particularly as we analyze some new developments today. we have mary schiavo, cnn aviation analyst, also an

attorney for victims and families of transportation accidents. ric gillespie, airplane recovery clan, author of "amelia earhart," another mystery, kit darby, head of his own aviation consulting firm, an cnn's david soucy. the panel is familiar with this but viewers just joining might not have heard this new development from malaysian authorities this morning saying that as far as their analysis of the data is concerned, they saw no indication from the plane that that turn to the west away from its original course towards beijing from kuala lumpur was preprogrammed into that flight computer. this had been a development about a week ago that had raised a lot of questions about why the pilots would have preprogrammed the turn before very calmly and in a friendly manner saying their last good night, their last communication with the ground. i just wondered with this new development -- and i'm going to give at least a couple of you a chance to comment, but mary, does this eliminate any

continuing concern -- and i know you didn't have much concern from the beginning -- that the piles intentionally took this plane off course for something nefarious, for instance? >> i would think it should because that was all we had unless something has come up with the fbi searching the pilots' computers and flight simulator and the one phone call that was made from the piles on the ground, which is very, very common. i mean, all my pilot friends do that as well. but unless something turns up there, there just was nothing to point the finger at these pilots. and so i think that should, but really at this point in the investigation doesn't make a lot of difference. at this point we know we've got to find it in the sea and we have to because it becomes even more important because now we know there was most likely something wrong with the plane and there are a thousand of them out there, these planes. we have to find it to make sure aviation can go forward safely. >> ric, i want to give you a quick chance to respond.

do you share mary's point of view that in light of this new information about the sequencing that it's unlikely that you have an indication that the piles did this intentionally? >> i keep coming back to the fact that the aircraft changed course for some reason. it didn't apparently go wildly out of control. it changed course. now, why did it change course? it seems to be under human control. now, the fact that nobody telegraphed those actions ahead of time doesn't change anything. i'm just hesitant to now think that we have solid facts and we should go in one direction and disregard all others based on this. i don't see how it follows. >> kit, i'd like to bring you in as well moving forward, being a

retired commercial airline pilot. this is a came that came via twitter but it's a smart one because it gets to another possibility as to why pilots might take a turn. it comes from someone named ziggy. if catastrophic failure and all instruments become nonfunctio l nonfunctional, what would experienced pilots do? if not preprogrammed, if reacting to something that happened in that cockpit, what would you do in that situation and how quickly? and based on that, would how this plane behave be consistent with that? thoo well, the plane would become difficult to control, but there are nine or ten possible power sources here, so it would have to have multiple failures. each engine has two generators, the auctionry power unit has a generator, there's a turbine that drops out, batteries for a short time. it's almost inconceivable that everything can fail, but if that happened at night over the water request with no strums it would be difficult to control the airplane. we would not expect a flight path like the one we see on

primary radar where the plane is going where it needs to go. that's not a catastrophic failure. >> very good point. david, thanks for your patience. we'll come back after the break as i want your view on that point as well. meanwhile, did flight 370 become a so-called zombie plane with no one in control? it has happened before. we'll explore that theory.

investigators have looked into the pilot and the co-pilot of flight 370, but they're also pondering another question --

what if the flight crew lost control of the plane? more specifically, what if no one had control of cnn's suzanne malveaux is here to explore that theory. does that still have legs? >> it does. this is one of those theories, a lot come and go, but this has legs to it, gaining more credibility and steam as the weekend has progressed. one of the possible scenarios here that i've talked with aviation experts this week is that this would explain how and why this plane went down. we are talking about the whole crew and passengers becoming incapacitated. it is an ominous title. it is called the zombie scenario. >> reporter: october 25th, 1999. a chartered learjet carrying professional golfer payne stewart and five others plunged nose into a south dakota field. it had streaked across the

investigators have. the plane had lost cabin pressure and all on board were dead. jet fighters shallowing the plane could do nothing to save it as it eventually ran out of fuel. could flight 370 have become a so-called zombie plane. >> at some point overtaken with smoke, fire, some kind of problem. the plane then left to fly itself. that's what we call the zombie option. >> happened with flight 522 which flew on autopilot before crashing outside athens in 2005. pilots forgot to turn the pressurization switch from manual to auto at 34,000 feet. all 121 on board cast out and froze in their seats. so par we know the malaysian flight flew seven hours based on

pings. whatever took off the transponder was mechanical and could have also damaged control center, which monitors climate. >> in the case of decompression, happens quickly. a minute or so. in the case of smoke, pilots have a greater oxygen supply than passengers do, so they could have remained active for longer. all this could have taken no more than 10 minutes at the most prf skeptics say the som biscenario is highly unlikely because of the behavior of the plane and crew. >> changing altitude, coming down to land safely. changing direction and changing heading. and professionally and by training you would let somebody know, air traffic control. so an emergency signal would have been broadcast. it may they tried to send a signal and for some technical

reason the signal wasn't sent. it may be the signal was sent but no one was listening, 1:20 in the morning over the pacific. >> in the case of payne stewart, no distress call either, just sound of alarm including one for loss of cabin pressure. what is behind the credibility of the zombie plane theory is whether or not you believe this is an investigation into the mechanical failure of this flight or the investigation into a criminal ac. the difference between whether you believe the crew or someone else switched off the aircraft system or they would have failed, which would have given everybody on board little time to respond or even survive. jim. >> so this new information there was no indication coming from the plane this turn was preprogrammed, does that increase the possibility of a zombie flight? does it add weight to that? >> it's interesting. i talked to aviation analyst. gives weight to the possibility there was a mechanical area.

wasn't something nefarious or sinister behind the flight's failure. whether or not this was an electrical failure in the belly of the plane or fire and gas, the crew and passengers, they could have become incapacitated pretty quickly leaving this plane to fly on its own and simply drop in the ocean. >> it's incredible. a spooky possibility. thanks very much to susan malvo in washington. i want to bring our panel of experts to continue this conversation and get to the issue of the zombie flight. mary schiavo. author of the book 'n' finding amelia." a retired commercial airline pilot and our analyst david soosy. i want to give you a chance to comment on this scenario. talk in the idea of a zombie plane. what would cause that to happen. looking at the data as you see it now, i'm not going to hold this to you but do you see information pointing in that

direct? >> i don't see the zombie scenario. there's two parts to that, really. one, in a zombie scenario, you have inability to communicate with the person, although your communication system is intact. in this scenario, it's totally different than that. we have no communication with the aircraft. i want to go back to what rick gillespie said. it's important to understand we may be using experience against us here. i call it institutionalized thinking. our skperp is valuable in trying to determine these things. you have to be able to fathom the unimaginable to think about things outside of that. as i thought about that, i listened to what kip said, very true, 10 different power sources, combination of power sources, 10 to 10 power where those things can get their power from. if you think pout those systems and how reliable they are, the only thing i can think of that might possibly have a vulnerability might be that the communications bus is separate from the navigation bus.

if you have the communication bus fails, no communication, pilots could have navigational abilities, still have the autopilot working, plug in no way points, other points like that. i really believe at this point, i'm really starting to narrow in on a good theory that makes a lot of sense to me, that is that the communication bust itself. how is the pinging, sat com pinging at that point. i'm going to be looking into that. >> you've investigated crashes before. does that theory sound plausible to you? >> it certainly does. the turn seems to me to take it back to a place to land. on that heading, there was a very large, long runway with no obstructions. i do think the pilot certainly had the ability to fight for the flight for a while. we find in so many other accidents statistically speaking, this is what often comes up. have you a malfunction on the

plane and then you have pilot action. those two things, so many times in an accident, the report of the national transportation safety board, mechanical failure exacerbated by pilot action. it's tragic and sad but makes it soish so important to get that flight data recorder and find out what happened. the passengers' families will want to make sure it never happens to anyone else. >> no question. the next key, finding this plane. thank all of you. mary, rick, kip. coming up news hour after this break, we learn today about this search for 370. ally? so our business can be on at&t's network for $175 a month? yup. all 5 of you for $175. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text. we're working deals all day. you get 10 gigabytes of data to share. what about expansion potential? add a line, anytime, for $15 a month. low dues, great terms.

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whitfield. following new details in the mystery of flight 370. first the search, malaysian authorities say france gave them a third satellite image today showing them possible debris in the same area of southern indiana ocean. chinese and australian sites have spotted objects there. eight planes searched the ocean. they did