. hello, everyone. i'm randi kaye in today for fredricka whitfield. we are following new developments in the mystery of malaysian airlines flight 370. we have updates on the search and intriguing information about the last data sent from the plane. first on the search, malaysian authorities say france gave them a third satellite image today showing possible debris in the southern indian ocean. chinese and australian satellites have also spotted objects there. today eight planes and a ship searched that area of the ocean but they didn't find anything. crews did find something yesterday. they found a wooden pallet with strapping belts floating in the water. pallets are used in the airline industry but also used in shipping so it's not clear where that's from. malaysian authorities clarified what was in the last communication from acars communication system at 1:07 a.m. officials say it showed nothing unusual and the plane was still heading for beijing. that debunks the idea that the plane's computer was reprogrammed to take a different route before that 1:07 a.m.

transmission. first i want to go straight to cnn justice reporter evan perez. he's in punishment. evan, hello to you. you've been all over this part of the investigation. what can you tell us about this very latest development? >> randi, the latest is changing the understanding of what happened and when. today the malaysian government said last transmission at 1:07 a.m. from the jet's acars communication system showed, quote, normal routing to beijing and, quote, nothing unusual. this is important because it appears to undercut the theory that the flight path reprogramming took place before the copilot says all right, good night. that's the flight's final transmission with air traffic control at 1:19 a.m. this reduces but does not rule out suspicions about the foul play in the cockpit. randi all this adds to the mystery that riveted all of us

about what happened aboard flight 370 two weeks ago. >> you're saying we can't rule out anything at all from this. >> that's right. investigators here in the u.s. and malaysia still have many theories they are wrestling with partly because they have so little information to go on. there's still a possibility of a hijacking. there's still a possibility of terrorism. there's still a possibility there might have been catastrophic failure of the airplane's systems and the pilots may have been trying to return back to kuala lumpur and maybe there might have been some pilot error involved. so all of those things are still on the table. you know, until we find the wreckage or until we find the airplane, these questions will remain unanswered, randi. >> evan perez, thank you so much. we want to talk more about this. it is so fascinating. lets bring in the panel of experts. joining me in new york aviation attorney justin green.

in washington cnn law enforcement analyst, a washington reporter who has written about flight 370. in atlanta kit darby, commercial pilot with 30 years flight experience. thank you to all of you. kit, let me start with you. what does this new information mean? >> well, there was a theory, like you said, that the programming occurred in advance, which would be a premeditated act. regrettably this information takes away from what we had. there is a possibility of putting an alternate route and not activate it until you need it. we don't know for sure if preprogramming occurred. all we know for sure is it wasn't preprogrammed while the acars was working. >> jason, let me ask you. obviously you've done a lot with commercial airlines and certainly on the airline aviation part of that. you were one of the lead

investigators in the 9/11 case. does this say anything about whether or not somebody entered the cockpit? now we know according to the latest information that they were still en route to beijing? >> what's interesting, the door points the finger in a sense, at pilots. you can't imagine in today's day and age passengers able to get through the cockpit door before the pilot could make a radio call, the transponder to indicate a hijacking. that to me is really the only suspicion about the pilots. if they had, in fact, programmed the route before making the last call, that would have been a smoking gun. you would have expected them to tell air traffic control what they are doing. i never gave much credence to that part of the information because it didn't seem reliable to me.

now it is off the table. to me it's taking off a major piece of information, if it were true, it's not true, would have pointed a finger at the pilots. >> tom fuentes, what do you make of conflicting statements? >> i agree. i didn't put much stock in the original statement when it said the basis for thinking that was preprogrammed was how smooth the plane turned. that's kind of nebulous to base that kind of fact on. sometimes, randi, in a criminal investigation investigators can get too much information. to get distracted from the ones they really need to focus on in this particular situation of what was occurring in that cockpit when, where. really doesn't tell us whether somebody got in that cockpit or not. we assume that the cockpit door was still closed, locked, barricaded so no one else can get in. we don't know that for a fact.

we don't know how lax malaysian pilots are when it comes to cockpit door security. that's still up in the air. there's many unanswered questions about what might have occurred in that cockpit that still we're guessing at right now. >> a foreign affairs reporter with "washington post," you've done quite a bit of investigating in terms of pilot behavior when it comes to pilot suicide. we don't have a lot of examples of that. how would you relate that to this new information. >> actually, what you just said right now, there are not a lot of cases of pilot suicide. there's only been 24 cases in the last two decades of known pilot suicide. what we've heard now, post 9/11 it was known a lot of airlines tried to change cockpit doors in some ways to mitigate against risk of hiking. what was said malaysian airlines does have rigorous standards for

their pilots. every six months if they are over the age of 40 they need to go through health prognosticators, health risks to figure out if they are at risk for crashing a plane in any way. >> kit, if this plane was in trub, if the pilots knew something was happening, mechanical failure, smoke, depressurization, whatever was happening, would this be normal behavior to may their way west. >> lend credence to the fact they were on the way to help. it's the bottom of the list. flying the plane first. they are in it, too. believe me they are highly motte vaded to fly the airplane and navigate it where they want it to go. doesn't surprise me at all they don't squawk or don't call. their hands are full. until that problem is under control, that's the last thing they are doing to do is talk.

there are many scenarios placing them at risk. the problem we had before was misinformation. i find the new information simply takes us back to we don't know. >> the idea there's control. that still points back to the pilots. they were in control. at least the plane wasn't going wildly, all different attitudes. it seemed to be in control. >> as kit just said, it could be in control responding to mechanical issue, could be in control responding to a pilot trying to commit suicide or do something strange or it could be in control of hijackers of the fact it was in control doesn't really tell us that much. as kit said, pilots of aiate, navigate, communicate. if they didn't have enough time to communicate, whatever was happening was very fast. >> you want to get there safely before you start telling people about your problems. >> you would get to communicate pretty quickly in that

circumstance. there are mechanical failures that could actually happen so fast that by the time the pilots get to that step, they are unconscious or unable to communicate because of system failures. it is a mystery. >> here we are on sunday afternoon, seven days later into the search and we're still asking questions. more with the rest of you and the panel in just a minute. be sure to stay with us. ♪

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welcome back to coverage of flight 370. we want it bring back panel of experts to continue the conversation. first i'd like to start with the fact crews are scouring southern

indian ocean looking for signs of flight 370 and a look at how the weather, of course, is affecting that as well. we're going to get to all of that. let me start with terrence mccoy, foreign affairs correspondent. you've done investigation in terms of pilots using an airplane to commit suicide. i think i understand from your reporting that it's usually one pilot or one copilot in the cockpit when this happens. in the case of malaysia flight 370, both of them, as far as we know, were in the cockpit. >> that's one of the most unusual facets, if there's any reason to believe it was pilot suicide, right now zero reason to believe that, but before the pilot has always been alone inside the cockpit. a few minutes ago a plane went down, mozambique airplane, the pilot seemed to isolate himself

after his copilot went to the bathroom. there and to be pounding on the doorway which leads us to believe the pilot was alone. here there has been no crash, no evidence to indicate pilot suicide. we know before when incidents of pilot suicide occurred, they tend to be alone. >> let me turn to kit darby. something pilots can use, a secondary route where they can get at the press of the button if there was some type of emergency. >> if they were planning route and left it in the secondary flightplan, it would simply be available to them. they could preprogram it. it's only the active route transmitted by acars when you go over reporting point, which they just did. it would tell this point and the one after that. but a whole new route can be programmed at any time and be available to the pilots with a push of one or two buttons. >> kit staying here for a second. would a pilot do the same thing

whether there was trouble in the cockpit from somebody who stormed the cockpit or experiencing some type of mechanical emergency. would it be the same type of procedure? >> it would be the same type of priority. cargo smoke, a procedure for that very different. if somebody is trying to get into the cockpit, not impossible, very difficult but not impossible, it takes time. their mission would be to defend the cockpit. one would fly the plane and the other would defend that cockpit for all it's worth. >> tom fuentes, tell me what you think, in case you're just joining us, what we're learning today is now the communication showing -- different from what we're told last week by malaysian authorities communication showing the plane was on its route to beijing at that last communication at 1:07 in the morning. they had not been reprogrammed or there weren't any turns preprogrammed into that flight path. tom, what does this tell you about the sinister aspect or

lack of sinister aspect. >> randi, it doesn't tell me anything. it still leaves all options open and possibilities open. in terms of defending the cockpit as kit just mentioned, if you have one or two -- either one of the pilots get up and leave the cockpit to go to the bathroom or lax and leave the door unlocked for some reason, one could be out of the cockpit and locked out by the partner. the only reason we know what's occurred in previous flights is from the voice cockpit recorder which we were able to listen to and hear the captain try to get back in or shouting at the copilot and the copilot chanting as in the case of egypt air crash. we just had a pilot a month ago or so hijack his own airplane. the copilot decided instead of going to rome, he was going to geneva, switzerland. he locked the pilot out, flew

the plane there, climbed out the window and asked for asylum. luckily in that case he didn't kill anybody and is now in jail in switzerland. it showed how easy it is for one or the other to take over once they have an ton, lock them out. >> it's a fascinating discussion. we'll continue that as well. we'll continue to tell you about the search in the southern indian ocean as we get word of debris and what the weather is doing in terms of challenging that search. we'll be right back. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text. we're working deals all day. you get 10 gigabytes of data to share. what about expansion potential? add a line, anytime, for $15 a month. low dues, great terms. let's close! new at&t mobile share value plans our best value plans ever for business.

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new french satellite images may help searchers today as they look for flight 370. malaysian authorities say france gave them a third satellite image showing possible debris in the indian ocean. eight planes and a ship semmed the area of the ocean but didn't find anything in the midst of terrible weather conditions. andrew stevens takes us inside this search. >> reporter: dusk on day for of indian ocean search and international effort deals. one of two touches down at pierce air force base, growing edition to a growing multinational force. collaboration is key here. japanese joining crews from australia, china, u.s. and new zealand. but still no sign of any debris

that might link this most inhospitable part of the planet to flight 370. the weather deteriorates day by day. crew visibility getting worse. >> unfortunately we didn't find anything of interest. we went out there, assessed the weather conditions. unfortunately they have deteriorated since our last. at times we were completely enclosed in clouds. >> reporter: leads continue to come in here at search headquarters on the other side of the country. but for the moment they remain just that, leads with nothing concrete to back them up. nothing new from another small debris field where spotters have seen a wooden pilot that may, just may be linked to 370. >> the use of pallets is quite common in the industry. they are usually packed into another container, which is loaded in the belly of the

aircraft. but within that container, it's quite common to have items on pallets. it's a possible link. we will need to be very certain this is a pallet because pallets are used in the shipping industry as well. >> at 10:p.m. final australian flight of the day touches down after 12 hours in the air. another blank. even though this grueling mission still has nothing to show for it, the crew's spirits remain high. >> highly motivated in these search and rescue operations to achieve an outcome of whatever it may be. quite experienced in search and rescue operations. i can confidently say on behalf of my crew and myself that we're going to at least try and achieve some answers for the family and friends of the miss egg 370. >> andrew stephens, cnn pierce

air force base outside perth western, australia. >> dawn over indian ocean is a few days after. that means another day of searching for that missing jet. this time crews will have a new satellite image of possible debris to work with. searchers also have to contend with weather conditions and ever changing currents. joining us from live, director of research at the georgia aquarium. chad, first, what do you think of the latest search efforts and conditions there. >> we have a cyclone, which is essentially a hurricane. they call it a different thing because is in a different ocean. this the cyclone. it's making, generating waves here. >> tell me what do waves do to a accepting? >> makes things more complex. spotting things against background of white caps and breaking waves is difficult. makes it complicated when you deploy assets like a remotely operated vehicle you might use to certainly ocean floor.

you need really good conditions to deploy something like that. >> you have searched for things in the ocean yourself. lets say the swells are 10 feet but they are ocean swells. you're in a ship. your ship is here. it's floating. you're on top at the rail. does it help at all when under the circumstances this wave action, where you can see inside the wave. does it help or hurt? >> typically it hurts. you're cresting the waves, get a better view. pitching of the boat, constant pitching, the fact you can see something and can't see it and that happens over and over again, not to mention sea sickness, even the most experienced can get sea sickness. >> luckily this isn't over the search site. this is 120 miles per hour cyclone but still generating swells up here. those swells will get away. it is a very long way away from the search area.

interrupt any swells that might be generated. >> 120 miles per hour, 20 footers, even if they settle to 20 footers. >> best of times that area is pretty harry. the weather can go all the way around antartica. that leads to big waves, big wind, big sea. >> you say you're from canberra. >> i am. >> it's over there. oppose that side brf between perth and the search site, one of the deepest parts of the indian ocean, then when you get further towards the search area, a fairly flat featureless bottom of 12,000 feet. here is the trench. you can see it here. that's about as deep as mt. everest is tall and get into the spreading zen of the ridge. >> this is pretty flat down here. >> featureless on the bottom. everything covered with thick, sticky ooze made from -- >> you keep calling it ooze.

is it sticky? >> yes, it's quite dark, no oxygen and that leads to black mud. >> what if things were sinking? would they sink into the ooze? >> yes, they would. over time they would become covered with it as well. if the search goes on for a long time, things are reclaimed by the bottom of the ocean. >> winds at 20 miles per hour, is that enough to blow the top of the wave off and make white caps? >> it can be. makes visual searching, continuing to rely on sensing tools from satellites. >> we have about 10 seconds left. if the pinger is down here 12,000 feet from the surface, equal to two miles going that way. you almost have to drive right on top of it. randi. >> all right. thank you both very much. we'll get the latest developments and bring back our panel of experts in just a minute. stick around. ok maxwell, just need to ah contact

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reduces but doesn't rule out suspicious ideas about foul play in the cockpit. acars stands for aircraft communications, addressing and reporting system. it's the computer on a plane that collects information about what the plane and pilot are doing and sends that information to the ground. we want to talk more about that. lets bring our panel of experts, aviation attorney justin green, senior law enforcement tom fuentes in washington with terrence mccoy. "washington post" reporter who has written extensively about flight 370 and kit darby. thank all of you for joining us. kit, let me start with you on this new information. how much weight should we give it? >> to me, it was confusing. when it first came out it confused my possible theories. i'm glad it's gone. to me it didn't make sense in the beginning. now that it's ruled out things in the normal process, things

that normally occurred, it was normal up to the point we lost contact. no one was preplanning something that would be nefarious. >> we were thinking it started to point some of the focus on the pilots, if investigators thought possibly this flight path had been preprogrammed in there. tom fuentes, where does it take the investigation next? >> i think it doesn't change the course of the investigation. from the aspect of the criminal investigators they were looking at all possibilities of what occurred in that cockpit and who might have been at the controls of that aircraft when it changed direction and flew off into the indian ocean or on the northern route. i think from the other standpoint, the other aspects have changed frequently. i don't know what to say about that. technicians and experts who read radars and know about ground communication systems and

immarsat satellite systems, that's where a lot of data changed overtime first three weeks of the investigation. >> justin green, an aviation attorney with me in new york. i guess i know you worked extensively on the egypt air flight 990 where there was a pilot suicide. do you see any similarities at all here? >> not at all. two things. in egypt air, i was just a young associate at the time but in egypt air we had cockpit voice reporter pretty soon after the accident. we had indications in the pilot history that indicated something was going wrong in his personal life. here i'm not hearing anything about either one of these two pilots. i don't fault him for having a simulator in his house. i know of a lot of pilots who have simulators in their house. i know nonpilots with simulators in their hougs. it's a hobby thing. i haven't one piece of information that would finger

them. someone like tom, that part of the investigation is really the only part we can investigate at this point. until we have the airplane it's like trying to prove a murder when you don't have a body and don't have murder weapon. until we have the airplane and black boxes, i don't think we'll solve this one. >> kit, what about the transponder, is that still off at this time. can that go off on its own or does it have to be switched off? >> it took fail. there's a second one, a back-up, a flip of a switch to reengage if you wanted it. the fact multiple things went off at the same time leads me to either an electrical source or catastrophic event. multiple electrical sources we've been talking about. backups on backups, they would have to go out all at once or someone would have to turn the transponder off. that would be the pilot or someone directing the pilot in

the cockpit. >> it seems as though this plane continued, wasn't flying wildly at least as far as we know. it changes every day. kit, you're a retired commercial pilot. what does that tell you, the fact it was still seemed to be going smoothly on its path 67. >> when it initially turned, autopilot turn, flying straight, i'm not sure about altitude variations reported by military radar. i know military radar is designed to give you a track and altitude. it should be accurate but i have no additional information there. seemed to me it was a controlled turn on the autopilot made by the pilot or someone directing the pilot what to do. after that it doesn't make sense. if you were going to land back because you had a problem, you would descend. that descent didn't occur. all strange possibilities like zombie plane become possibilities after that.

very confusing. without information, very hard to say what happens next. >> justin, you want to weigh in. >> i think that's right. like i said before, until we have the airplane, unless somebody comes back and finds something out that hasn't come out about the pilot or copilot or someone can come out with this was a terror attack, in every terror attack, we know. pan am, we knew right after. 9/11, obviously we knew that day. to go two weeks and not have a lead on terror aspect, that diminishes the possibility it was terror. >> still, so many questions. stay with us. coverage of flight 370 continues in just a minute.

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back now to flight 370 coverage. malaysian officials and families met behind closed doors after recent public briefings, scenes of hostility with families expressing outrage and lack of information about their loved ones. cnn pauline chu has the story. >> much quieter as they met with high-level delegation from malaysia. there were not as many fireworks as we saw on saturday. today the malaysian government

sent a new team, a technical team from the civil aviation authority. they were here to answer questions about the airplane itself. now, we spoke with some family members as they left this briefs room. there's still a high-level of frustration and concern. we spoke with one grandmother whose daughter was on the plane. >> this is my first day here. i said what i needed to say. i'm too angry. every day i watch television and i'm going to go crazy soon. i'm very emotionally unstable. >> she speaks for so many of the relatives. they are emotionally exhausted. you heard her say this is the first family briefing. that's because she spent the last 16 days taking care of her daughter's kids, her grandchildren. they are 4 years old and 8 years old and they are still wondering where their mother is. i also spoke with another relative about the level of hope in that room. he said it's split about 80/20. 80% of the family members are

prepared for bad news, 20% feel optimistic they will find their relatives alive. pauline chiou, cnn. more on the search but first a check of other stories. people trapped in washington state mudslide could be heard crying for help. a wall of mud hit northeast of seattle saturday morning. three people are dead. at least 18 unaccounted for. that number could very well go up. a rescue helicopter in the air today did not find any survivors. >> to a significant extent mother nature holds the cards here on the ability of ground personnel to enter the slide area. it is essentially a slury. when those rescue personnel did take some risks yesterday, and i'm very appreciative of their efforts, they effort at least seven people through airlift and on the ground efforts, some of them who went in literally got caught up to their arm pits and

had to be dragged out by ropes themselves. >> by the way, a slury is a thick mud. at least six houses destroyed and many more damaged. residents said it happened in an instant. >> i was coming down the hill, i just saw the darkness. like somebody grab you. everything was gone. like three seconds. >> the fire chief described the scene as quicksand, still trying to reach people trapped in the mud. eight people rescued and taken to the hospital. how did this happen without any warning? a lot to do with ground saturation. jennifer gray explains. >> we've been talking so much how california has been dry over the last several months. while that's happening the exact opposite has been going on in the pacific northwest. the reason california has been so high, the jet stream far to the north bringing storms normally in california up to the

northwest. it's been giving them a lot more rain than they normally see. a lot of areas outside of seattle are experiencing their wettest months on record. some areas in the top ten. it has definitely been revery wet. what happens when you get more rain than you should right around these mountain ranges it becomes very, very heavy and the soil begins to soak and gravity pulls it down. when you get steep slopes, too steep to support it, the slope falls. that's where you get your mudslide. that's exactly what happened. the northwest will stay dry over the next couple of days. by the time you get into the week, another storm system rolling through. not good for the pacific northwest. they have gotten a lot more rain than they should this season. >> jennifer, thank you. as russia moves to solidify its hold on crimea by were --

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roelatives of the passenger of flight 270 are meeting in beijing. they are beginning to unravel. we have the story of a woman who is familiar with this heart ache. anguish heidi snow knows all too well. >> he was a strong young hockey player. >> she lost her 24 year old fiance on july 17th, 1996. she waited for weeks in a hotel for any information. >> we had people who were quiet.

people who were crying. people who were screaming i was extremely sad and wanted to talk about him a lot. the crashes of twa flight 800 and jet 592 in 1996 led to tougher laws in the united states to protect victim's families starting first with the flow of information. the family assistance act was passed and that gives families the rights to have briefings from the ntsb daily briefings sometimes twice a day. >> it gives them rights to view the site. it requires the airline to help them out financially and take care of them.

it gaives them access. and u.s. laws provide protection. the nt we were all in a state of grief at that time. we want as much information as possible. patience begins to wear thin as the days go on. it took a long time to get through it. he was the one person that she needed to get a sense of this loss and process to go through. she she has a grief mentoring

program all of these things to help those during this critical time. >> it is terrible to see what they are going through. well, there are three things that the u.s. has in place to better help families get through this tragedy. agencies to help with roles when things like this happen. so, the victim's advocate groups say that the relatives of this flight they could do a number of things, demand some sort of financial aid and lawyer up. i mean none of this is going to help with the grief of the agony of losing a loved one. it will help with the practical matters like providing assistance and getting things done faster. >> thank you very much. we will get the latest

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welcome back everyone. want to bring back our panel of experts for one more conversation. in one sentence i want you to answer this question. what is one aspect of the story that isn't being talked about enough? tom fuentes i want to start with you on this one. >> a year ago we had the boston marathon bombing and no one other than the two brothers knew that they were going to do it. their brother said that he was an all american kid. no clue that they were going to do it. >> all right kit what about you?

>> well, you know such a lack of information and so much speculation. right now we are running different scenarios. as information comes in and we are dealing with that. there is some type of event he that the pilots we are dealing with that could have turned it into the zombie plane. we ought to go back to look at flight 163 that landed with everyone on it and not a single person got off. it doesn't take long to disable everyone on the plane. without any information whatsoever to go on what happened that night with the crash or the plane is not a lot

about what happened there. >> and justin, well, i think every day that goes by we are going to be less and less likely to find the airplane. you never have their bodies to come back to bury. they have to look at every possible mechanical problem to cause this. they are going to have to assume every possible thing caused it. we have much more in the next hour of cnn newsroom. it starts right now.

hello i'm randy k in today for fredericka whitfield. authorities say france gave them a third satellite image today. chinese and australian satellite objects were spotted. crews did find something yesterday though a wooden p palette with strapping belts. it is not clear where that is from. today malaysian authorities clarified where that came from. officials say the plane was still heading for beijing. that debunks the idea that the computer was reprogrammed to take a difference route. i want to go to evan pere