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unfortunately, the search activity for wreckage will not happen. that's it for me. thanks for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. erin burnett outfront starts right now. next breaking news. the search for missing flight 370 has just been suspended. we are live in perth for the latest. and the malaysian government says the plane crashed into the indian ocean killing everyone on board based on satellite data. just how sure are they? breaking news in washington state tonight. we will go live to the scene of a deadly landslide. more than 100 people still missing at this moment. let's go outfront. good evening. i'm erin burnett. the search for malaysia airlines flight 370 has just been
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suspended. search planes scheduled to take off from perth, australia are grounded, weather the issue. this morning the malaysian prime minister spoke to the world, his message, there are no survivors. >> its last position was in the middle of the indian ocean west of perth. it is therefore with deep sadness and regret that i must inform you that according to this new data flight 370 ended in the southern indian ocean. >> this is based on a new type of analysis never before used by a british company. we are going to talk to the
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senior vice president in just a moment. first some of the families of those missing aboard the flight are still asking for proof. they don't believe. the chinese government demanding malaysian government provide more evidence and more information. tonight the mystery unsolved as to what or who brought down flight 370. was it a pilot plot, hijacking, mechanical malfunction. the breaking news is that the search has been suspended. the weather where you are obviously looks fine. the planes have to fly far away. >> reporter: four hours directly southwest of where i am standing it is almost a different state, a different part of the country, if you will. that is how far away it is. we are just getting this news from the australian government. and it is extremely disappointing news to the people trying to bring back that proof for the families.
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announcing that they will not be flying today, that the search teams that is multi governmental will not be taking to the air today. why? because of weather. it is so bad that the australian plane, the naval ship at sea in that area that has been combing through that sea has had to move out of that area, as well. waves are 6.5 feet tall, swells 13 feet. the problem for planes is that the winds are quite strong, 80 kilometers per hour and cloud cover at two to five feet. these are simply not ideal conditions to do what they are trying to do which is use their eyes to try to find any debris. it is very tough out there, too tough and too dangerous to fly today. >> too dangerous to fly and they are relying on those eyes to try to help some of the ships that they have there trying to go through and look for by eye, as
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well. what exactly have they found so far? how specific have they been? >> reporter: they have been fairly specific as far as debris yesterday. yesterday was seen as progress. there was an australian plane that discovered some debris in one section of the search area at the same time a chinese plane found some debris in another area. so you had two debris spots. they dropped beacons from the sky from the planes and the australian ship has to get out there in order to retrieve the debris. it didn't happen yesterday. the weather did start to turn yesterday. we don't know if that is why the debris wasn't able to be retrieved. we know they can't go back to that job today. >> joining me now is the senior
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vice president of -- they want to know for sure. are you 100% sure the plane went down in the indian ocean? >> well, we are as sure -- we have been looking at the ping data for the last six or seven days comparing it on our network with other malaysia airlines. it has enabled us to correlate the ping data with the southern indian ocean. there is simply no match. on that basis after it was peer reviewed by another satellite
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and space company and then also the investigation board the malaysian prime minister made the announcement today. >> did you know he was going to do it after the conversation? he began by saying he wanted to make the announcement. do you feel in any way it was premature? it sounds like you are as sure as you can be that it was accurate? >> it was peer reviewed and carefully looked at. in the business for over 30 years since our founding under u.n. charter. we are a private company now. we have quite a lot of experience in these matters. we were not surprised at the announcement. it had been discussed with us a couple of hours beforehand. >> and explain -- i guess i don't want you to get into deep math but the data. what was the data you were able to use to determine?
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there is debris. people say there is a chance this plane could be somewhere else. motive is outside your purview. nobody knows the motive. how are you able to based on the data that you looked at be so sure? >> well, what we can offer originally on the 11th was a path in which to look to the north and south based on the amount of pings on the satellite. we knew engines were still running. that was a surprise because it was assumed the plane was lost soon after it lost contact. we discovered that it continued a path. and then over sunday and monday our scientists looked at whether or not they could detect the direction or could detect what the plane was actually doing. what they established was from the fixed point of the indian
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ocean satellite receiving the signal the aircraft was moving away. couldn't say at that stage. so we compared data. that then runs you into range of aircraft, fuel availability. you relentlessly end up and you come at the -- >> i appreciate you taking the time. no sign of the plane. he said as sure as he can be that this is the plane. there are experts who doubt that. the latest scenarios investigators are working on. flight 370 is what we are looking at in the indian ocean. one official calls it the
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today's search over the indian ocean suspended. tonight the families of the 239 people on board are facing
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horrible weather is preventing. it is a horrible game of waiting. malaysia airlines revealed worst fears in a text to the families. i saying, quote, we have to assume beyond all reasonable doubt that mh 370 has been lost. there is no firm evidence. is this really the plane? we have miles o'brien, john nance and arthur rosenburg. great to have all of you with us. we are going to talk about motive and why later on in the program. i want to focus first wlon this is the plane.
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the vice president of mr sat was definitive this is where the plane is. >> here is the bottom line. he has flip-flopped from this morning until this evening. the language i heard this morning was most likely. the problem that i have is that was translated into the prime minister to beyond a reasonable doubt to the people and to the families of the victims. on the one hand you have the executive saying most likely and somehow that got booted up to beyond reasonable doubt. i don't agree with that. i am not convinced that they are certain where this airplane is. i think they have fine tuned it to a general area but to say beyond a reasonable doubt this plane went down where they are saying is a stretch. >> i want to go to richard quest in a moment but first to miles. >> there is a saying in science.
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extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. show me. show me the evidence. i want to know about the data. supposedly they took the information from the downed airliner and compared it to previous flights of malaysia aircraft over the course of time. there was some difference between the northern and southern. something about the northern route. i don't know. frankly, to make statements like they are making without revealing what is behind it is wrong. and when i think of those families, how this led to the terrible scene with the heart broken families being told what they were told is outrageous to me. >> do you think they know where the plane is? there has been debris. you heard two people saying they are not sure. go ahead. >> i'm not anywhere near as
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harsh on the prime minister for what was a bit of a premature announcement. i think all things considered, if you remember all things considered the simplest solution is probably right. we know the airplane has not shown up place else. we know the definitive data they are working with or call definitive was parsed in a way never used before. yes, there is a little bit of uncertainty. we have debris in the water. all things point to the airplane having been in a position from which it could not recover, in other words, no way to reach land. >> look, if you listened to what was said and you don't just pick up one or two words like most likely or listen to what they said, they did the analysis. they then overlaid the analysis on the fact that there is no radar tracks from any of the countries in the northern route. they then did a peer review with
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another satellite company. they then handed it over to the aaip which is the british equivalent of the ntsb which has the highest reputation. you can't just turn around now and sort of say well maybe this or maybe that. they have taken this to a very high level of integrity. >> quick answer. you don't know. you are saying but you have no basis for saying that. i have an easy answer for you. in the effort of transparency and full disclosure let's see the report. produce it. i realize this is an investigation. this is a world wide global effort to find this airplane. 26 countries are involved. i think the world is entitled to see the data on which the analysis is based. >> maybe for reasons of the investigation they don't want to put it out there yet. fair point. why put the conclusion out?
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>> the reputation of not only mrsat along with everybody involved -- i'm not saying you don't have a point but it would be nice if they gave us information. i don't think you can discount it to that level. >> where else would it be? that is the big question. >> john nance is right. i have questions about the range of the aircraft, if it was down at 12,000 feet, might have come short from where they are looking. that is also true. my problem with this is mrsat which is a good company, if they make a claim like that i would like to see the report. that is a simple statement. we still haven't heard the atc communications, the air traffic control communications to the crew. we haven't seen the maintenance records of the airplane. it is a consistent opaque
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investigation and is frustrating. >> what is your view on that? we haven't seen the formal air traffic communications. we have seen reports of some of them but haven't seen them all. >> to a certain extent richard and i agree for the most part here, not that i don't disagree with the other two gentlemen but the basic idea is this is a tempest in a tea pot. we have been standing on a stack of shaky alleged facts and had to analyze this to the extent we wanted to or needed to based on a lot of shifting back and forth. now we are down to only a few facts. there is uncertainty. i am perfectly calm with saying i think this is probably the solution. >> we are going to hit pause for a moment. we are going to talk about the motive. and outfront we know nearly 450 pounds of lithium batteries in the plane's cargo. did that cause the jet's
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surviving family members of missing malaysia airlines flight 370 passengers heard the news they feared the most today, all lives are lost. for many it was too much to bear.
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>> 17 days after the passenger jet disappeared with 239 on board emotions were high. there was blame, disbelief. while malaysia's prime minister says there are no hopes for survivors there were questions. the founder of access, aircraft casualty and emergency support services. she has been speaking to some families directly. thank you for coming on. this has to be a time where you have to relive a time in your life that is impossible to imagine. today obviously devastating to all of the relatives of the people on that plane. what did you think when you heard the news? >> it reminds me of what it was like after flight 800. there were a lot of new leads. some of them were very tangible and other times they really didn't add to what we needed to
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hear. so right now i think that what we have been hearing is that basically this isn't enough evidence to change the grieving process. some people are still holding on to hope and really need more than these words. they need to see actual parts of the plane and really learn that their loved ones were actually on board by getting some remains back. this is new data. people like to get new information. i am so glad there is new information coming to them. without anything tangible they are still going back and forth from hope to then going every hour going back to reality and really not sure what happened. it is such a hard time. all of the people at our organization have gone through the same type of thing. it is just that waiting time. that is what distinguishes air disasters from other sudden losses we really never know what happened. we will never know what the last moments were like and what they
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went through. that process goes on for a really long time. it is extremely difficult for them. >> flying is a difficult experience for many people and you think about the scenarios. when you went through this. you lost your fiance. it took five weeks to find his body. how difficult will it be for these families if they never find the bodies, never mind the plane? that is a very possible outcomet that we may not find remains of these people. >> absolutely. and it is extremeemely difficul we have gotten calls for help from people that there was no sign of wreckage and no remains and have survived and a lot of them have come forward to talk about it because it is still very difficult for them. some of them are actually grief
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mentors to other people in the same situation. not having answers is extremely difficult. we have people who have gone through it. we have a book "surviving a sudden loss". we interviewed some of these families. some of them only have the fact that their husband went to work and got on the plane and have nothing after that. we can all relate to that and we know it is extremely difficult. answers are what everybody is waiting for. i hopet that they get some confirmation on this. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. still to come the malaysian government says they know where flight 370 ended. we discussed whether that really is the plane. the next question is, why? why was it there? half way around the globe from where it was supposed to be? and more than 100 people missing in washington state tonight. we will go live to the scene of one of the most deadliy landslides in the country. [ male announcer ] this is kevin.
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the search for missing malaysia airlines flight 370 has been suspended. there have been several leads in terms of debris. they are not able to confirm those. they are searching in the southern indian ocean due to satellite data. senior vice president of the
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satellite company telling me they are certain that is where the plane is. there still, though, is no physical evidence. as families deal with the news that no one on board survived the flight there are still more questions. who or what is responsible for the flight. what was the motive if it wasn't mechanical. i want to bring back my panel. john, you have been consistent from the beginning saying you think the disappearance of flight 370 was an intentional act. do you still think that tonight? >> i do. that is because the evidence that we have got, the facts don't seem to be shaky about the changes, the part of the system that was telecommunicating was shut down and one part was not. all of the elements point to something that was not accidental. >> i believe you agree with that. we have pilot error.
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we have hijacking, we have terrorism, mechanical failure. you have some sort of suicide mission by somebody. >> i will say this as simply as i can. i agree with john. i think the key to this case lies in the 12 minutes between the 1:07 time when reported everything okay and the 12 minutes later at 1:19 where the plane, last communication, all right, good night. in that 12 minutes what do we know? the pilot never reported a problem, no fire, no decompression, no smoke, nothing. and the pilot never -- whoever the pilot was, whoever was in there never asked for a route change. they never said we are going to make a left turn. they never asked for altitude change. >> that turn was pre-programmed. >> we don't know if that was programmed or not.
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all we know is that during that interval of time the plane didn't make the turn. we don't know if someone entered it. until you hit the enter button and command the plane to move it will not report it as pre-programmed. i'm almost done. >> richard is being very patient. >> two minutes later from 1:19 to 1:21 you have a trans ponder that goes dead at precisely the point of the handoff. if you want to be invisiblet that is the time to do it. >> there are a lot of things we don't know. we don't know what is in between. that could open the door to something different. >> i am not prepared to come off the fence in one side or the other with your one plus one plus one plus one therefore it must be equal. >> you didn't hear the rest of the story. >> we don't have time. >> i can do it quickly but i want to give you a chance. >> let richard respond. >> i think in these situations -- if i thought --
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here is the difference. if i thought at some point the malaysians were never going to have to reveal that which they know in a full understanding of what happened i would be the first person to be screaming from the roof tops. i know that the report will come out, the facts will come out as they become clear. that is why i think it is very dangerous to be going down this road of taking a little bit of circumstantial here and fact from there, cherry picking your facts as you go along and coming up with a theory. >> to be fair, it is not necessarily cherry picking. it is what we have available. to your point it could be because they haven't confirmed things. miles, what do you think about this purposeful reason? the motive which would be a purposeful motive from somebody in the cockpit? >> certainly everything we see would fit that. you can take the same set of facts and come up with a scenario where there is a violent mechanical failure or
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some decompression event that causes a lot of what we have seen. so, yes, it is quite a stretch because you have lost all of that communication capability and you have this rapid dissent apparently, quick turn around back to land. but you can still come up with a scenario where some sort of mechanical failure would cause that. i think it is unwise to rule that out at this point. >> what mechanical scenario would have all of these pieces still fit in? it is not so bad to call a may day. you turn around but don't tell anybody. what might explain that? >> what about the lithium batteries? what about the cargo hold occurred that created some kind of rapid problem? it might have been something smoldering they weren't aware of. there is any number of scenarios that could occur. i just don't think you can rule
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it out. john nance you have flown these planes. can you say it is impossible for this to happen? you can say that? >> i think only a field would say it is impossible. we say the probability versus possibility. if there is a possibility there it is a very low level of probability. let me tell you the reason why. even if you discount the course changes, proximity to get ahold of air traffic control and training to immediately control and even if you discount all of that, in order to turn off that satellite functiont that we didn't know was on there, whoever did this didn't know was on, you have to go into the forward panel and go through page after page after page and get down and make changes in there. that is not the sort of thing that will happen selectively with a fire or interdiction by
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heat. it is just not going to happen. is this an impossibility for it to be some bizarre series of happenstances i suppose is possible but i don't see rational probability. >> there has been so much silence. there was some frustration that malaysian authorities didn't interview families for a while. they didn't go in their homes and search them for a week. but if indeed this ends up being something done by the pilots if that is what it was, the motive is still incredibly cloudy. >> the motive, i cannot sit here and discuss a motive for an event about a person who we don't know may or may not have done it. and all the best we can come up with is that the malaysians
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haven't released the nuts and bolts of the investigation of the data of that which we don't have. and there may be very strong reasons why, not the least of which the treaty as the investigative authority that they cannot release when they want to. they have to be careful. i'm not saying there couldn't be fault with the transcript but they are undertaking a global investigation, putting together a consortium of 26 countries. they have better things to be doing than entertaining -- >> u.s. government says they repeatedly don't see evidence of terrorism. >> i don't think at this juncture that you can determine motive. and i don't think that you have to. i think you can eliminate
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certain causes based on a reasonable probability scenario. is it reasonable that one scenario or the other happened? i think electrical is out. i do not think -- this plane is so redundant. eight generators. they have enough power on the plane. i think power was out. the only mechanical scenario is possibly decompression and even that i discount. >> do you think we will ever know what happened? and if we do find out motive is an appropriate word will we ever know that without flight data recorder? >> it will be pretty hard without flight data recorder. finding that right now, we don't know where the hay stack is. >> that is a really good point. john, final word to you. >> well, i don't know if we will ever find out or not. we will need luck. we have a lot of fine minds trying to put this together.
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our job is to analyze what is there and not come up with the investigation. i hope we find it out. we may not and this may be one of the most enduring mysteries in transportation history. the families of those aboard flight 370 are trying to deal with the news that no one survived. they demand evidence and authorities are hoping to find that physical evidence when the weather improves and search resumes. in an exclusive report access to an under cover vehicle which could help find things like that data recorder. >> reporter: this could be the key to solving the mystery of malaysia airlines flight mh 370. an under cover piece of equipment called a remotely operating vehicle, r.o.v. for short. it is what the malaysian government added to its fleet of resources in hopes of recovering some of the most critical pieces of evidence from the deep sea.
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>> the two key pieces of evidence that outweighed all other evidence are the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder. >> reporter: cave cnn an exclusive look at the r.o.v. triton xls. >> are you getting a signal? >> reporter: the multimillion dollar machine is tethered to a vessel, dropped into the water by a cable -- >> we have an altitude of 28 meters. >> reporter: and slowly remotely lowered to the sea floor by pilots in a control room located inside a ship. the r.o.v. is eequipped with cameras. >> two cameras here. >> reporter: meaning an r.o.v. like this one could lay the first eyes on the wreckage site of mh 370. >> the wreckage can tell you how it impacted or came apart. it can certainly tell you if
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certain parts were burned. it can tell you a very complete story. >> reporter: metal arms and jaws are controlled by a joy stick. >> close the jaws. not a problem at all to pick it up and recover it back to the vessel. >> reporter: but before the data recorders are recovered the wreckage must be located, a task as daunting as the indian ocean is deep. now, working in the indian ocean is going to be very, very difficult. the good thing about r.o.v.s is they can work under water for days on end. if data recorders are under debris r.o.v. can be rigged with lifting and cutting equipment. the key, of course, erin, is to narrow down the debris field and find the wreckage. >> thank you. still to come some of the other big stories this hour. breaking news out of washington
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let's check in withandererson. >> the search as you know has been suspended. this video gives you an idea of how rough the seas can be in that area of the ocean. this is not from the search itself. it does give a sense of how high the waves can be. we will have a live report from perth, australia. the search continuing for the other part of the mystery. how and why 777 wound up in the water. one theory on board fire. plus your panel of experts joins us and we go inside the 777 simulator for explanation of sudden altitude drop earlier in the flight. we'll see you in just a few minutes. now the breaking news on the
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landslide. please in washington state are reporting 14 are dead, more than 100 still missing after saturday's landslide. police are suspending the search for survivors of the landslide due to fears of another collapse. as you can see from the stunning photos the landslide was truly massive. this is just incredible when you see the amount of space we are looking at here. devastating two towns north of seattle. george howell is out front. through any new information. that number just changing. sadly increasing significantly. >> reporter: you know, at this point from what we understand the number of unaccounted for and missing remains the same. 108 reports that they are looking into. very important, though, to explain what that means by reports. they are looking into websites that families might have set up looking for loved ones. looking into social media reports that people put out on
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twitter looking for loved ones. a neighbor saying i haven't seen jim here at this home. he used to they're looking into all of those, 108 and they hope to increase that number in the coming days. they said the outlook was grim. and now we do know, cnn has confirmed with the snohomish county sheriff's office that 14 people are now dead, officials say they removed the bodies of six more people from the mudslide today. the death toll has risen, and as you mentioned, the search has temporarily suspended on the ground, because the ground is too unstable. they hope to get in there soon and continue that ground search. they continue to search by air. and the bad news here is, we do expect looking at the forecast, rain in the next several days, that would certainly make the mess here even muddier. >> do you think they're going to be able to search?
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we look at those pictures, it's incredible the size you're looking at, the power of what that must have been. there's hope that there are people alive, people missing. are they really going to have to give up? >> you know, you get news like this, and you see the mood around here changes. you hear the officials coming out saying the outlook is grim. that plays a factor, it is important to note that they were very direct in saying this is still an active search. it is not a recovery operation at this point, it's an active search. they're looking for survivors, that's the hope as this search continues. we know yesterday they searched by air. we presume they may do that again. but the search here does continue. >> george, thank you very much. >> and now breaking news, the white house says the u.s. along with other world leaders is kicking russia out of the g8. this comes after an official
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tells cnn, on the ukraine/russia border, russia has troops on the border. u.s. intelligence also indicates the russian forces are positioned to possibly invade three ukrainian cities without any warning. president obama is in a five-day overseas trip right now with crucial stops along the way. how is this playing out? >> well, erin, president obama raised the stakes in his confrontation with vladimir putin. he forged a conference with other leaders that will kick russia out of the g8. the leaders came out and said, not only is russia out of the g8, the g7 will no longer hold that g8 summit that was scheduled to be held in sochi russia later on in june. instead the g7 summit will be
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held in brussels. as for the 20,000 russian troops gathers on the ukrainian border. the g7 nations always agreed to further sanctions against russia, should moscow decide to invade eastern or southern ukraine, the sanctions would be against the energy and banking sectors of russia, very critical to that nation's economy. earlier in the day, russia's foreign minister sergei lab rov had a meeting with john kerry, he was told what was expected at this g7 meeting, he brushed it off and said, maybe this will be an experiment for russia, to see how things go in russia with respect to his economy, not being in the g8 any more. they're gone for now. >> thanks very much to you. out front next, more on the coverage of the search for flight 370. ed people a question, how much money do you think you'll need when you retire? then we gave each person a ribbon to show how many years that amount might last. i was trying to, like, pull it a little further. [ woman ] got me to 70 years old.
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for more than two weeks, families of the passengers on board flight 370 have been waiting for news. tonight they finally got word. for many it was unbearable. some of them calling malaysian officials murderers. jeanne moos has the story. >> reporter: it was a day when the laughter of daytime tv was interrupted. >> this is an abc news special report. >> reporter: a day of breaking news and broken hearts. relatives of passengers lashing
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out at the press. furious at the malaysian government and airline. >> telling us that no one survived, everyone sank into the ocean, what's your proof? >> reporter: even the satellite company whose technology was cited as proof wouldn't go beyond phrases most likely. >> i can't give it to you definitively, it most likely went into the indian ocean. >> reporter: for days they hinted at it, now they finally said the words. >> this is a lost aircraft. >> all those on board are gone. >> reporter: relatives' grief was carried live. >> now they are all screaming leaving the room. i'm not sure if you can hear them. you can hear the devastation. >> reporter: there were sympathy tweets from strangers. condolences to the victims. can't marge how scared they were. the plight of flight 370
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inspired a one minute opera tribute. why are you turning westward? are you there asked the soprano, portraying an air traffic controller. a baritone in a flight simulator gives the now famous signoff. >> the experts seem confident that the question of where the plane ended up has now been answered. the why and the how are questions that remain. the search continues for the plane's heartbeat, the flight recorder. >> it makes a little ticking sound like a metronome, and that's the sound you're hearing. that's exactly what they'll be listening for. >> 17 days after flight 370 vanished this is the sound we heard. grief that exploded, and grief suffered in silence soothed with pats on the back. jeanne moos, cnn, new york.
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>> as we have reported, the search suspended tonight in the hopes that tomorrow we'll start to get some answers on whether the plane is there, and then the big question, why? thanks so much for watching, anderson cooper continues our coverage right now. good evening, everyone. thanks for joining us. the breaking news tonight a big set back, the sun now up over the wreckage. there is late word that bad weather has halted the search, weather that could turn conditions hostile, as you can see in this video from a few years back. it gives you a sense of how rough these waves can be. big kink in an effort to confirm or disprove the sighting of debris.