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this one reads, we miss you, we love you. this one simply says, please come back. >> that does it for us, we'll see you again at 11:00 p.m. eastern time for another live edition of 360. we will stay on the air through 1:00 a.m., the malaysian government is expected to hold a press conference at 12:30 a.m. eastern time. piers morgan live starts right now. >> breaking news, the search for flight 370 has been called off tonight. australian officials say rough seas, high winds and the surf made the search too difficult. a ping locater is on its way. it can find black boxes at the depth of 20,000 feet. a tragic day for loved ones.
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>> live image of 370 ended in a sudden indian ocean. >> the family of chinese passengers are reacting with outrageal causing the malaysian government for deceiving them and covering up the truth one of the oldest passengers was an artist who cheated death many times. the youngest, a 2-year-old, traveling with his parents on their way home from a vacation in malaysia. i'll talk exclusively to the friend of a family who spoke to them just before they left. we are covering every angle tonight with reporters around the globe. i want to begin with kyun lah. the search has been called off,
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it's only about 9:00 a.m. in perth, australia. we can only assume it's very rough indeed? >> very rough indeed. the details we're getting from the australian military is that waves are 6.5 feet high. the swells 13 feet. but the big problem is the fog, the cloud cover, 200 to 500 foot visibility. planes cannot fly that low for an extended period of time. it is too dangerous for them to be out there. even the ship was told to get out of that region because it is so dangerous. disappointment certainly from the many and women who have been taking to the skies and the sea, theyen watted to bring some answers, some closure to these families. >> what is the forecast for the next few days. there must remain a tiny glimmer of hope there's one survivor, they haven't found any wreckage or any evidence of where this
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plane has crashed. >> well, the forecast is certainly not good over the next few days, it's not ideal. it was pretty good over the first few days of the search. but this weather in this particular region is really pretty extreme. one of the guys who gets on the search planes told me, it's almost like looking at a washing machine, that's how the water is. when the conditions are pretty ideal. if you throw bad weather on top of that, you can understand how they are reluctant to send out these men and women to try to bring some of the debris back. >> thank you very much. i want to turn to sarah in kuala lumpur. what can you tell me about the mood down there? it just seems so hard wrenching for anyone watching here and around the world.
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>> reporter: you put it the best. these families found out the news in a briefing, they were sitting there, the moment that they heard that the government had said that no one could have survived this, the plane was indeed in the indian ocean one of the family members burst out of that briefing room, sobbing, screaming, crying, why, why, why? over and over and over again and then there was the mother who ran out saying, where is my son, where is my son? . these families have been through so much, piers over the past 17 days, and finally getting that information was too much for some. we saw a woman wheeled out in a wheelchair her eyes puffy with tears. another woman being comforted by four or five people, including counselors, trying to give families advice and comfort rubbing her back as she put her hands over her face and sobbed.
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we also saw faces that were stunned, shocked. they can't believe that that little glimmer of hope they had, that tiny glimmer of hope that by some miracle their family members were still alive after all this time had finally been dashed and they finally had toll deal with the horrible reality that they may never see their loved ones again. we tried to speak with malaysian airlines officials who were here, and we were able to catch up with someone who was surrounding the families and finally got an answer as to how they're helping the families. why won't you even talk to us. tell us what happened? this is important information that people in beijing, the people here want to know. people have been watching this story, they care about these families, they want to know what you're doing for them, that's it. >> we're doing everything we can for the families, that's all we can comment. >> are they getting counseling?
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>> yes. >> are they -- >> yes, as we speak, yeah. >> so he said they're getting counseling, and these families will certainly need it after all these days of not knowing and then finding out the worst, piers. >> thank you. we want to go to beijing where david mackenzie has spoken to some of the families there. >> reporter: that's right, the anguish and waiting can turn to real anger boiling over here in beijing. people screaming, streaming out of the conference room when the news came. now they're getting together organizing these family members and they have a poignant statement for the malaysian authorities. the airline, the malaysian government and military
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inputting off, holding back and covering up the incident. as well as trying to deceive the families of passengers and people of the entire world. it goes on to say the malaysian government and military are the real murderers that killed them. very strong words from some of the family members pointing the finger at the malaysian authorities. >> del me this, do the chinese believe the malaysian prime minister when he says pretty categorically that this plane has crashed in the southern indian ocean and all the people on board the plane are presumed dead? do they accept that or do they think without any wreckage, without any sign of any bodies or anything else that there could still be a chance that that has not happened? >>. >> well, piers, it's just human nature to hope against hope, even if the miracle you're hoping for seems distant at this
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point. many people i spoke to said they want to see the evidence, wreckage, anything that actually proves to them some tangible evidence that this plane went down. not just data, not just scientific hypothesis, they want to see real hard evidence before they can accept this. piers? >> thank you. >> let me go to you, pamela, first of all, when i watch the malaysian prime minister, i thought, the statement he made, how can they be so sure? without any wreckage at all, how can they be unequivocal? >> well, as we've heard from the president of the company that looked at the satellite data, they talked about, there are as certain as they could, this was
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an exhaustive and unprecedented study. they used a new technique with old technology. they spent days analyzing this data. they conducted a peer review with other british space companies. their calculations checked out and they felt confident to share that data with the malaysians. >> i must stress this -- very fascinating piece we have it now. listen to this. >> i must stress, this is very limited data. we're not saying we have definitively where the aircraft came down, oath that the direction of travel is almost certainly to the south. >> richard quest. >> right. >> he also went on to say, he was sort of slightly equivocating, because it's the british way of doing things. explain what you think he meant by that? >> what he meant was, when
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you're put in the position of saying, are you 100% certain? he is saying, well, you know, no one can be 100% certain yet. and what he was saying listening to what he said just then. his question was clear. it was about how definite can you be? and he basically has maintained, and i spoke to him, he's maintained that view. we're as definitive as we possibly can be. >> is it enough, richard? is it enough for them to be not 100%? they're pushing and pushing and pushing. if they're not 100% certain, why has the malaysian prime minister gone out and told all these relatives, your relatives are dead? >> i think in this situation, there comes a point when the authorities in malaysia decided, this is the way it looks. not just the way it looks, we have been told that plane came down in the south indian ocean.
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mcglocklin said, we can't be sure exactly where. but he was quite definite on the route it took. now, piers, we know the route it took, we know it hasn't been seen. we know all these facts, so -- >> we also know will is no wreckage been identified? >> yes. would you prefer, and would it have been preferable for the malaysian prime minister to say, this is the evidence and we may not have wreckage for weeks? we may never have wreckage. this is the best evidence we have, and this is where we conclude the flight ended. he never went on to say they all perished. the malaysian prime minister's strongest comment deeply regrettable the flight ended in the south indian ocean. >> let's talk about the investigation itself. a lot of focus on the pilots, obviously -- is the feeling generally amongst all the experts that it is more likely there was some catastrophic
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event, perhaps a fire, perhaps a fire from batteries, that we've seen, that ignited the cause under control, everybody unconscious, and the plane then flew on auto pilot? do enough facts stack up now, according to the investigators that suggest that is more likely than hijacking? >> well, piers, i've been speaking to sources, investigators and no one is jumping to conclusions at this stage, more than two weeks in, every theory is on the table, you point out the fact that they're still looking at the pilots. authorities said today, so far, there's been full cooperation from the more than 100 people they've interviewed, they interviewed family members of the passengers and crew, the investigators do continue to dig deeper into the two pilots, looking for anything that could happen explain 370s experience. sources are saying at this point there is nothing that indicates foul play, and they're still looking at the psychological state of the pilots, sabotage
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and hijacking, any theory that could help explain this. and without the wreckage. without that flight data recorder, they can't come up with a definitive conclusion. >> most of the people we talked to, the pundits, the former this and that, they do believe that it is a nefarious act. either by the pilots or by the hijackers or terrorists. >> but why? what points to that now from all that we know? >> what points to it is the three basic things. firstly, the acars failure, no comments made about anything wrong. secondly, transponder off, thirdly, what everybody agrees was a deliberate turn back, and then you have the potential of this descent, 12,000 feet and back up again. they take all those. >> we're set to collar phi, that could only have happened with a pilot resetting the coordinates to take the plane back up, is that why that indicates some
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kind of pilot operation? >> we know the plane could not have gone deep into the south indian ocean at 12,000 feet, it had to be at its optimal flight altitude of 35,000 feet. one source says it went down to 12. if it went down to 12, it had to go back up again to 35. that could only be done either on the yoke or the auto pilot. so the view -- look, let's be blunt about this. the view of most of the people you talk to is that nefarious human intervention brought this down. i still say it's best to wait a little longer until we have concrete evidence upon which -- it's too important to jump to that conclusion. >> thank you very much. coming up, the youngest passenger of flight 370 was only two years old, on his way home with his parents from a family vacation in malaysia. next, a grieving friend of that
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parents of the two-year-old was with them on the flight. joining us, a friend of the family. a classmate in rory's nba program at northwestern. thank you so much for joining me. i'm so sorry, for the devastating news that came today. let me ask you straight away, do you accept what the malaysian prime minister has said? do you believe now that all the evidence is pointing to this plane having crashed and the lives of all those on board having been lost? >> i don't, and that's just because of all the different news that's been coming through, i'm still holding out hope until they find something that maybe they're wrong and there is this plane with all the passengers have survived. >> you were good friends with rory, international students together as i just said, rory e-mailed you before he took the
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family away to malaysia on holid holiday. tell me what he said to you then? >> this was -- we have a tradition where students in our class send out one e-mail update every year about what's going on in their life, personal life, business life. rory's e-mail came through on the first of march, one week before we heard about this news, and he was talking about -- seemed pretty excited about taking a break from work, heading to malaysia with his family and was going to enjoy some sun there and some beach and come back to beijing to start work on a four-month-long project. he seemed pretty excited. >> what kind of man is rory? >> rory is a very smart, hardworking person. very diligent student. we do a lot of projects at kellogg that are teams and i happened to be on a couple of those projects with rory he was
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always one of those guys that would go the extra mile for the team, very warm, very -- absolutely quiet but very warm and affectionate person. >> obviously a big family man, he had his baby son with him, he's 2 years old. i'm going to talk about them in the present tense. i think it's the right thing to do. despite all these pronouncements, there are too many contradictory statements being made. too many different pieces of information which appear to then contradict each other. in terms of the way the malaysian government officials and the malaysia airlines have treated the families and friends of those who were on this plane, what do you feel about that? do you feel they have behaved as many believe, represent rehenceably, or do you feel it's been a nightmare situation and they've done whatever they can? >> yeah, it's kind of tough for me to comment from here, i'm
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sure rory's family in china is struggling, but it's such a difficult situation for all parties involved. so i think hopefully they're doing their best to communicate some of these things on a more personal basis face to face. and not through any other means. >> as you've been talking, we've been looking at pictures of that last holiday of the family in malaysia, one of the things that struck me today was the revelation that the airline had informed many of these relatives of the news that everyone was presumed lost and dead, by text message. did that strike you as an insensitive action? >> yeah, i mean that's shocking for me. in today's day and age, something like this happens. there's so much media coverage. and so many people who are
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suffering because of all these conflicting news, i would have thought this would have been a face to face communication. >> the theorys keep coming. many of them will turn out doubtless to be completely wrong. that just adds to the agony of all this. everyone like yourself who knows people that were on that flight? >> yeah, absolutely, i mean, this is -- the first few days, me and my classmates around the world, we have been following the news, and all these theorys coming through, at some point i think it was last week, i stopped looking through all the details, right? and just look at mainly the headlines with us. again, it was disheartening. we are still holding hope. we are still holding hope. >> talk to me about that hope, because i can understand, you
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know, if i was a friend of somebody on that flight or if i was a family with a relative on that flight, without any wreckage having been identified and so many different reports out there, i would still hold some hope, albeit very small. >> yeah, and that's exactly what our emotions are right now. our classmates at kellogg, one of my classmates came up with the idea that we are going to send these messages, these photograph messages from our classmates all over the world, holding these signs saying rory we are still hoping for you, so we're trying to collect some of those pictures over the last few days. >> i really appreciate you joining me, i'm so sorry that you have to go through this. it must be absolute torture for anyone who knows anybody on that plane. and, you know, i think as long
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as there is a tiny glimmer of hope, then hope you must do. and i will share that hope with you, and i thank you very much indeed for joining me tonight. >> thank you. i want to bring in an aviation attorney, he's represented victims. welcome to you. tell me about the legal position here? is it possible that many of the people are making deliberately worded statements to cover themselves legally as some people believe? >> well, it's certainly the government and boeing who's principally involved in the investigation, they're investigating themselves. the malaysian government doesn't have experience in doing airplane regular, they're doing this on their own. they've invited boeing to participate. one indication, the indonesian silk air, there were issues
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right off the bat, questioning what occurred. there were stories, boeing consistently put forth the story that it was a suicide. we later proved years later it was a product failure. and the faa issued a misdirective, requiring all 737s throughout the world, over 4,000 of them to have a retrofit, there are conflicts of interest, everything needs to be carefully scrutinized. >> in terms of the way the malaysian authorities have behaved here, some people argue it's been reprehensible, others as i said earlier, think it's the fog of war, if you like, when this kind of thing happens, it's been so chai ootic, the fa have been so thin on the ground there's been no other way to handle it. what's your assessment? >> surely it's difficult, it's something they're not used to handling. some of the early mishaps can be
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explained. the second thing that starts happening, the families going through the torture, only to be tormented by misinformation, inconsistent information, the way the government can solve that problem is to be totally transparent. invite officials from other government, make sure that independence is open to the investigation so that you can't question whether or not its being influenced by those having an interest. the easiest way is to invite the united states government, let independent people have access to the raw data, there's no reason why we're hearing filtered reports, why can't we see the satellite images, the radar returns, all of the witness statements, all the information that the malaysian government has. everything that boeing has, and then we will be more trusting toward the process. >> steven marks, thank you very much indeed. my experts react to breaking news for the search for 370 suspended for today. rebutting theorys, could be the
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a desperate grieving family member in beijing today. the search has been called off today because of rough seas high winds and heavy rain. i want to bring you my panel. the former ntsb chairman and an author. let me go to you, jim, you're a former chairman of the ntsb, should we accept what the malaysian prime minister has announced today? that this plane has likely crashed into the south indian ocean and that all the people on board are presumed dead? >> well, i think this investigation demonstrates how fortunate we are in the united states and canada to have
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independent accident investigation boards and family assistance programs that provide for factual information to be distributed and have competent people prepared to handle a situation of this magnitude. regrettably, the malaysian government is incompetent to handle this investigation, and so you have to ask, when any of this information comes out, what's the factual basis behind it. >> i want to talk to richard quest early, he said most people he had been speaking to and there are many contrary views, were leaning toward some nefarious reason behind what had happened, the pilot saw somebody on board had taken control of his plane and taken it off. do you think that is what you're hearing from your people? is it likely? >> no, richard hasn't been talking to me then, because that's not where i feel it's going at all.
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we had mentioned about the acars system, for example, it was nefariously turned off before the communication, that's not true, it was transmitted as normal at 1:07 just like it was supposed to do, and then the transponders being turned off. there's no physical record of the fact they were turned off, from the cockpit you can put them in stand by, but you can't turn them off. i feel after 200 miles out, the radar's pinging, it may not have received the signal that far out to say here i am, here's my information. >> does the conclusion by the british firm that has come up with this late de data analysis, it's their conclusion, to your satisfaction mean that that plane has gone down where they said it's gone down? >> yeah, i spoke with people at the company today, and talked to them how they got the information. this is the biggest mistake, how it was presented to the families, they need to have
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technical information. not just we have some secret way of getting it. they explained it to me simply. basically, the satellite, you picture a cone coming down on to the earth, it receives and sends signals back and forth, it's doing this handshaking and it takes a little time. it takes more time if it's further away from the center of the satellite, than it does if you're close to the center of the satellite. what these brilliant siren tests did was take that information and say, if this ping was here, closer, closer, and then started getting further away, so from that, coupled with some spot satellite imagery, which is small areas, kind of like cell signals within the large one, they could very closely identify where that aircraft stopped flying. >> can they be certain? this is the problem, isn't it? i spoke to a friend of one of the people on board, until there is 100% certainty, until there's wreckage found of any description that could be verified as being this plane,
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people are going to think, well, how do we know for sure? >> well, first of all, the pinging they talk about, the communications, there's a 30 bit signal that goes along with that, and with that 30 bit signal, it says exactly where the aircraft is by serial number. >> do they have that, do you think? >> i believe they do. >> why are they not telling us they got that? >> i don't think they're obligated or feel they're obligated to give a technical explanation of what's going on. >> but if they have directly got a link to that very plane, that is a crucial piece of information. >> absolutely it is, and i can't explain that, other than the fact that this whole investigation has been run by people who don't have a lot of experience with investigations. all the ones i've run, you start out in control of it, you maintain that control, it's kind of like those days when you wake up and your tire's flat and then your car doesn't start and it keeps going worse and worse and worse? that's how investigations can get. >> you've been a crash investigator for 30 years and
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with the coast guard, you've been in the thick of this thing many times, maybe not on this scale, but i can understand these relatives, i can understand the ghastly scenes we're seeing in beijing and kuala lumpur who have been told so many different versions of what may have happened and now they just don't believe anything they're being told? >> well, i think part of the problem here is the fact that they weren't told any technical information from the beginning. and actually it's a fairly simple explanation and it took very complex calculations to do it, it's a very simple explanation. it's like standing in the train station, watching the train come toward you. you're going to hear a higher pitched sound as the train bears away from you, lower pitched sound even though the train itself is the same velocity, that's what the folks who figures this out in britain used to figure out approximately
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where the airplane was. >>. >> from what we've heard today, what you say as david said that it's leaning much more toward some kind of catastrophic failure on board the plane, which took it off rather than a nefarious explanation? >> well, i -- right now i'm kind of mixed myself, i'll tell you this, in all the years i've been doing this every time we've had an inflight fire, for example, that ends up in the airplane crashing, it happens relatively quickly, within an hour or so. because of the types of things that are involved, the temperatures, how quickly it spreads, and in every single case, we have had a crew that was able to tell adc what was going on, well before the airplane crashed. that goes back over quite a few of these in flight fire accidents. >> i can see david shaking his head, let's hold it there, come back and continue the debate after the break. i want to get david's reaction why you think that's not right. hey guys! sorry we're late.
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bill -- and trust me i do respect the man having his experience. i have a little concern in the fact that sometimes our knowledge and experience in accident investigation can get ahead of us, we make some assumptions based on the past, and try to fit it into the patterns, there are some differences on this aircraft. namely, the halon system, the fire extinguishing system that's gone on on this aircraft. where it goes and how everything goes through that aircraft, while i don't discount that theory, there's a possibility in my mind that this fire could have occurred and been contained in some way, with the existing systems on that particular aircraft, and continued to fly. >> the one question i keep asking myself about this, if it had been a catastrophic failure like a fire or something, surely given how modern and sophisticated these planes are,
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is there not some kind of equivalent of a panic button that a pilot or co pilot can press that alerts the airline that somebody somewhere is a major problem. >> there's nine different panic buttons. >> is it feasible that they weren't able to do any of that, shorter than an explosion which has blown this plane to pieces in a second, is it feasible that if it had been an accident of some kind none of them would have had time to alert anyone? >> the only thing i can think that's common to everything that we have out, the transponders, the acars, any of the vhf radios, all of that is located down in a specific area, it's within a rack, within that rack, it's potential if the fire started there, if there was some kind of short in that location, it could have caused the rapid decompression at that time, the sat com system which continued to operate is in a separate rack, it's not in the same rack as all these other panic buttons. there is potential, albeit very
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rare on this aircraft. this is the most reliable aircraft in the skies right now. >> jim, you held a high jock at the ntsb. you were former chairman, where would you now take this investigation to try to get some kind of resolution. >> the international aviation organization they need to equip these aircraft. they've been sitting on that recommendation for five years. if this aircraft had been equipped with a deployable recorder like the f-18 aircraft we have in the united states, like the p3s that are conducting the search for the australian air force, we would know and have the information out of the black boxes and know the location of this crash. all of this anguish, all of this posturing about the politicians in malaysia would not have occurred. and we would possibly have had a more responsible investigation. >> right, i mean, jim, that is
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the question again that so many people have asked me, how can it be in 2014 that a plane of this size, carrying this number of people and the kind of technology on board can just skpeer? it seems beyond any comprehension that that can happen in this day and age? >> they're huge, as one of your other guests noted, huge economic reasons here. the information in those black boxes should only be in independent hands, when you're depending on the manufacturer of the aircraft or people that sell satellite services for your information, and it's not independently verified and that information is not presented to the families who are the most -- who are the people that shouldn't have this information, you know, all you can say is the whole thing has been in my opinion, disgraceful. >> bill, let me come back to you finally before we go to another
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break, you've also been with the coast guard. how difficult is it going to be, given the horrendous weather conditions which are expected to last for a few days to get anywhere near finding any wreckage anyway? >> right now they're not going to be able to, with the weather conditions as they are, you really can't search, one of the things we have to be findful of is the risks we're putting our search crews into. plus the possibility of seeing anything meaningful. right now we do have a slight narrowing of the search area, the analysis by marsat and the british have allowed us to narrow down the possibility down to a few hundred square miles, depending on that last ping, when the airplane would have gone down after that, when it exhausted its fuel, we narrow the search area down, we know that was the last known position now, so we widen out around that and it allows us to focus our
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for victims of a deadly landslide in washington state this weekend. 176 people are unaccounted for. that number has risen significantly. want to dip into the news conference that is ongoing at the moment. >> it was midday. i don't have the exact time. but probably noonish, 1:00ish. we told the rescue people to get out of the area until we could get choppers in the air. it just turned to be sloughing off the edge of the slide. nothing deep or to worry about. we released -- gave the green light to let the rescue commence. probably around 2:30, 3:00, something like that. so there was a couple hours during the day while we were dispatching the experts out to assess the slide. it is stable and the rescue work
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can continue. thank you. >> we are going to george howell who has been covering this story. the number of people who is unaccounted for has -- we lost the connection with george. just to -- i'm sorry, we have george on the phone with me. just to clarify what is happened here, the number missing has risen to 176. do they believe that number of people may have been killed as well or these are people they simply can't find? >> no. they are being very certain to say this is not a number of people who are dead. this is a number of people that they are looking for. and we're talking about a variety of different reports here. so a variety of things from specific names of people to reports that the investigators found on the internet, websites. social media, twitter posts. and also vague descriptions.
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so for instance, a neighbor says i know that neil lived in that home and should have been there. that is a report they are looking into. so now the number has risen. investigators want to be methodical and comb, looking for as many of these reports as possible. the hope was that number would decline but it has risen from 108 to 176. >> we have someone keeping an eye on that tonight and indeed tomorrow morning. george howell thank you very much indeed. and we'll be right back.
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flight 370 may hinge on robotics. very quickly, tell me what this is. and why this could be so vital. >> this is the next-generation, the future of underwater sonar. it's an aton mouse underwater vehicle or drone. it's a shallow version, 260 feet that will be deploying in the next stages of the search for the wreckage of the flight. they will be deploying bigger, larger versions of this. >> if they have it to an area of 200 square miles which it looks like it may have done, would you
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be confident this could find the plane? >> i mapped 1800 square miles of ocean, if they have it to 200 square miles, even if it's five times that big, they can find it. it's just a matter of weather and time of year and launch and recovery. they can cover ten square miles a day. >> you have been working like a trojan for cnn since this happened. is the secret now lying with the wreckage if they find it? will we get the answers to the questions? >> if i was running the investigation i would look for the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder. this is a great technology. but the things i would be looking for is the center section of the ene compartment. >> thank you very much indeed and thank you for bringing in
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this remarkable device. that's all for us tonight. we'll be following the story of a deadly landslide in washington state. the mystery of flight 370 with don lemon starts right now. don lemon starts right now. >> this is cnn breaking news. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> this is a cnn special report. the mystery of flight 370. we do have breaking news tonight. the search for flight 370 has been suspended at least for now. gale force winds, large waves and heavy rain making it too dangerous for searchers. malaysia airline letted families know they now believe no one survived the flight but there is not one piece of solid evidence that the plane even crashed. there are more questions than answers tonight. we have top aviation experts standing by to answer your questions. like this one,
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