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breaking news, the search for flight 370 has been called off for the day due to severe weather. richard quest and miles o'brien was bringing up the fact that he believes the malaysians are going to to fly planes like this the government should know how to investigate it. you disagree with that. you think it is being handled correctly? >> i'm not saying that mistakes haven't been made or this has been a gold standard investigation you would get in the uk or france or the united states but the ntsb or the bea. by everybody's definition this is unprecedented. the plane is two and a half thousand miles in the opposite direction that it was flying and
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we only really learned these facts. they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. if they don't tell us anything because they don't know it, we criticize them. if they say this is what they believe, we criticize them. >> you are make the point that miles o'brien is make. if you are going to have this kind of plane in the air you should be able to investigate it. you should not lose an airplane. >> because you cannot say in these circumstances that any other country flying a 777 that might not be the gold standard of the ntsb, the bea and the aaib couldn't do this. >> arthur? >> wait for the malaysian government to appeal rate the situation is to provide proof. in the absence of wreckage, the
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proof is the inmarsat report, the proof is the radar data. produce it. let the experts take a look at it. let an independent body of speakers talk to family members and if we find the wreckage they rehabilitated their credibility and the families are placated. >> we don't know why the malaysian inspector general said that the police investigation continues to focus on a potential hijacking, sabotage, psychological hughs or personal problems of passengers or crew. what's your take on that? >> we don't know. we have been getting this information, sometimes the information sticks and sometimes the information is replaced with similar information. sometimes the information just vanished. now there are these four things they are investigating. we don't know what is behind it.
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and the families are being asked to get on with their lives and accept the loss of their loved ones based on a mathematical formula that they will probably never understand. it's a lot for everyone to accept. and i think we need to look at everything a little bit harder and more carefully. >> jeff, you told the producers you are baffled and depressed and the rug has been pulled out from under everyone and we are back at square one. >> yes, that's it in a nutshell. it's been an emotionally tough day, frankly. i was coming to the studio today. i had heard that the prime minister of malaysia was going to give a talk at 10:00 at night malaysia time. it was obviously a big piece of news i was thinking it would be along these lines. i passed a woman crying on the
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shoulder of another woman and it just -- it really hit me. because we sit in the studio and we talk about the facts and we talk about our theories and you see a scene like that, and i -- probably she wasn't a family member of this aircraft but it brought it home to me. >> but this story has gripped the entire country and so many people have been tuning in. they stop you on the street. and they are asking you questions. but everyone is just pulled into this story. mary schiavo, are you surprised about the announcement? this morning? >> well, i was because of what i would have thought is they would present the facts and give the inmarsat data and that, you know, they were certain it went there and they wouldn't speak that very next line which is so very difficult for families to hear about their loved ones.
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but i want to add so something that richard said just to put things in perspective. we, the united states, also lost not one but four planes on september 11, 2001 similar in that transponders were turned off, et cetera and that was after the federal aviation administration who sometimes doesn't get stuff right, in that case they warned the airlines, you know, and warned them, that you know, we were at a fever pitch on intelligence we were pick up and still we lost four airplanes and truly lost them in the air space in our own country for a while. i understand the malaysians having a very tough time. you know, i was hoping that the world had learned from our lesson and knew that we had to have transponders and data that can't be shut off. but i just wanted to add this to what richard said. i can commiserate with the malaysians. >> i think many people are
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talking about the investigation agree, the steps that happen, you know, what are the rules once you do have an air disaster? what do you put in place. that is a criticism more so than an actual plane was lost. thank you everyone. miles has to go. he is going to be on our morning show tomorrow morning. thank you very much on "new day." coming up, an innovation that could have given us the answer to the mystery of flight 370. you won't believe how simple the technology actually is. that's next. ♪ ♪ so you can have a getaway from what you know. so you can be surprised by what you don't. get two times the points on travel and dining
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what are the lessons here? what lessons have been learned from the mystery of flight 370. there is a technology in existence today that might help. i'm here with richard quest. thank you for joining us, clive. you have made a compelling point in your piece that you wrote today. you said that the plane didn't disappear. we just can't find it. why in this day and age with such large amounts of information and it can be streamed wirelessly and the plane carries the information on
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boxes that sink to the bottom of the ocean. >> i think that public amazement becomes a political force. the huge public reaction you have been recording shows how amazed people are that this is a primitive machine at work here. we are using a vcr technology in the age of netflix. and i was glad to see one of the spokesman for inmarsat said they were amazed -- that was the last line, inmarsat was the last line of connection we had with that plane. if it had not been for those pings we would be clueless. as is it the clues are not very strong. but the technology not only exists to send that -- transmit the same information in the flight data recorder, send it live in realtime, stream it to receiving centers on land and one year after air france 447
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disappeared, the french ran some very interesting tests. they simulated 600 crashes. using data from previous crashes -- >> and the vast majority of those they were able to find the information fairly quickly, right? >> 85% of the cases the information would have been equal to the quality of the information on the flight data recorder. and in 82% of the cases they were able to locate where the plane went down within an accuracy of four miles. >> clive, you make a superb point in this. the question becomes why don't they do it? is it the capital cost? or is it the data cost? >> clive says it's about $1500 a month. >> that's right. it is cents per passenger. there are several people to blame. political paralysis and a lack of will in the aviation industry itself. by that i mean the airlines and
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airplane manufacturers. the airlines are busy stuffing the cabins with entertainment equipment which is up to speed. that is part of the profit center of running an airline. when it comes to a crucial safety measure it's unexexcusable. >> the question is could the technology have saved lives? here's what someone writes on twitter. i believe they had the data on the plane going down in the indian they could have maybe saved lived if they acted faster. >> it doesn't work that way. what we need is the picture of what happened to the plane. the fact the malaysians are not including mechanical failure in their so-called investigation i want to know what the investigation is and who is conducting it and what resources they asked for from other people. i find the exclusion of
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mechanical failure astounding. >> it relates to the police investigation. >> i see okay. >> the criminal side. most certainly, mechanical is well and truly on the table for the main investigation. >> i see. >> i want to get back to martin savidge. he is tracking the plane's path over the indian ocean in a flight simulator. ying out, "feed us -- we've awakened from our long winter's nap and we're peckish to the point of starvin'"!! i don't understand... your grass, man! it's a living, breathing thing. it's hungry, and you've got to feed it with scotts turf builder. that a boy, mikey! two feedings now...in the springtime strengthens and helps protect your lawn from future problems. [ scott ] get scotts turf builder lawn food. it's guaranteed. feed your lawn. feed it!
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want to bring in cnn's martin savidge in a flight simulator. martin, we asked about what kyle said. why did it drop down below 12,000 feet and fly for seven hours. i feel like he would have downed the plane as close to land as soon as possible. >> going down from cruise altitude to 12,000 feet is one of the most perplexing things of this investigation. let's demonstrate the reason why. the first reason could be an emergency, fire or explosives decompression. take us into an emergency descent which is different than an emergency dive. you want to get the aircraft
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down from 35,000 feet to a level where people can breathe. that's an altitude of 12,000, 10,000 feet. it is controlled in the sense of this airplane is diving but you don't have the alarms and the screaming of the airplane. you are worried about the integrity of the aircraft. you don't want more damage by descending. you are turning. we were over the south china sea and now you are trying to get back towards land to the nearest emergency landing. level us off. the information we received at cnn was that the turn took two minutes to commence and to finish. and then the descent. a two-minute turn is not a hard bank. it does not sound like an emergency maneuver. but it is this gradual turn.
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and the descent, the radar tracked it for an hour and 20 minutes. we don't know how deeply it descend it. if you have a gradual descent and turn and that says something very different than an emergency. family members in beijing have told us over 300 relatives of mh-370 victims are getting on buses to head from their hotel to the malaysian embassy in beijing to express their anger. my first question is to mary schiavo you had that and the statement from family members today that was very strongly worded. 18 days since malaysia airlines announced mh-370 goes down it says that if our relatives lost their lives, the malaysian government and military are the
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murderers that killed them. what is your reaction to this and now going to the embassy? >> well, i think -- my reaction is i can certainly understand their pain and their frustration. but part of this has to be they have felt they have not been told the information and given the kinds of briefings that should be standard that the government should provide as the ntsb does in the united states, daily briefings, twice daily if necessary. these people are entitled to have this information. and you know, i think this is to be expected when they feel like they haven't been provided the truth or information to know what is going on. >> sklar dixon says do you think it was premature to squash all the hopes of the families of those passengers? >> yes, i do. i think it was premature to give them that definition for whatever you had evidence for. let's wait and give things to
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run its course. find part of the airplane and give them something physical. mary schiavo made the comment early on that she would like to have something physical, something tangible to hold on to base a lot of our opinions. >> i want to ask mary scholley this -- captain bobby scholley this. we're talking about the family members here and the search for the family members, the possibility of finding wreckage, you said verily slim but in the conditions of those waters, family members are wanting something, hopefully the bodies of their families. what are the odds of that, sadly? >> you know, in my experience and mine is based on twa-800, but? my experience that is one of the main priorities is to bring back
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the loved ones. we looked for the black box and the next is to bring back the loved ones. >> now they are saying this is not a rescue effort. it's a recovery effort. that causes a lot of hope for that happening. >> yes. when i say their loved ones, i meant to bring the loved ones back to bury. it's a recovery operation. and even with this aircraft, even if this depth of water we bring in a r.o.v., a remote operated vehicle. i believe they did the same thing in the air france operation and they recovered the bodies as well to bring back to these families to help them recover from this. they would have the same capability with the remote operated vehicles at this depth of water also. >> arthur, rachel says if i had a family member on board i would
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demand they find something in the ocean. >> these people want concrete evidence. they want a piece of the wreckage. but i have to go back, you know, either if the malaysian government would release the radar data on the calculation, we would have a sense of whether this was a dive, whether it was an easy, controlled turn, something these people can hang their hat on. >> thank you. we'll be right back. ♪ led to the one jobhing you always wanted. at university of phoenix, we believe every education- not just ours- should be built around the career that you want.
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back now with our final thoughts on this, especially what happened today. clive irving, it's interesting that the malaysian airline made this announcement today but i wonder if it offers a resolution to those families. >> the key thing we have to find the black box. that is going to be incredibly difficult and maybe impossible. >> jeff wise? >> we have been waiting for the shoe to drop for more than two weeks now. and what we got was the most tantalizingly, unsatisfying thread of a resolution and i wonder why the malaysians timed it the way they did. it's like after days of searching it was on the verge of turning something up and it was
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called off. and it's as if they give us this just to end and resolve the matter but it doesn't feel like a resolution. >> thanks to my panel. i'm don lemon. that's it for us tonight. that's it for us tonight. "ac360" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening, it is 11:00 on the east coast and 11:00 a.m. on the west coast of australia. the search for mh-307 has been ended due to bad weather. the effort has become a recovery mission and that no one on board survived. that from malaysian authorities. that conclusion is based in large part on a sophisticated analysis of the last electronic pings with an orbiting satellite. you will hear how it was done by the
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