malaysian officials have been giving everyone kind of a technical update. based on data analysis from a british company that they will no longer be searching the northern corridor that we've been talking about. that's why it's coming out of here in perth, australia. also new, the malaysian ambassador appeared to meet with some of the passengers' family members. one relative described that meeting as shameless saying that the ambassador couldn't even answer simple questions that they were trying to pose to him. today conditions are so dangerous in the southern indian ocean that search is on delay until at least tomorrow. we're told it's been slammed with powerful winds, heavy rains

and very low cloud cover. we're on the coast. that's not even -- you know, it's four hours out into the ocean where this search area would be. the malaysian airlines is now telling distraught and angry family members the horrible news that they will never see their loved ones again. airline officials repeating this morning the sad news first delivered by the malaysian prime minister the night before. >> we must now accept the painful reality that the aircraft is now lost and that none of the passenger or crew on board survived. >> reporter: this morning, the prime minister defending his announcement telling parliament he only wanted to be fully transparent that the data from british satellites proved what had happened. and a decision to send a text

message alerting families of the news. >> it was to ensure that the incredible short amount of time available to us, the families heard the tragic news before the world did. >> reporter: as for the search, today's severe weather has halted operations, even forcing ships to move out of the search area. i spoke in a one-on-one interview with australia's defense minister about the setback. >> do you think there is a chance that we will never find this plane? >> there's always a possibility. i think, vereventually, somethi will come to light. >> reporter: more time and patience. though they still see promise in the debris spotted yesterday by an australian team. how confident are you of the debris that has been spotted so

far? the success had to move out of the area. how confident are you when they move back in, they'll be able to locate it? >> we think we'll be able to get back in there in a couple of day' time. >> reporter: add challenge, they're not exactly sure where to look. overnight, hundreds of relatives of friends and family of flight 370, the passengers on board, they were so angry of malaysia's handling of the crisis that they marched toward the embassy in china. they were met by hundreds of police officers that blocked them from reaching it. what happened? >> reporter: well, kate, the families are so angry that they decided to get together and

protest. they're angry because they're not satisfied with the malaysian government's explanation of why and where the plane went down. they say they want hard evidence. they say they want to see a peace of luggage or a seat cushion or marking from flight 370 on airplane debris. until they see that, they do not want to close the chapter on this. they're angry with the way this search has been going. they got together and filed into buses in front of their hotel, but chinese police would not let those buses go. so they decided to walk on foot about 2 miles away and the police kept the media away so we couldn't get to the malaysian embassy. they did allow the protestors eventually to stand there and protest. they handed a letter of

complaint to the malaysian embassy. they later met with the malaysian ambassador to china. we were texting with some family members. they said nothing satisfactory really came out of that. initially, they were very reluctant to go to kuala lumpur. at this point, they say they are so fris straighted, that they're -- frustrated that they're willing to get on a plane and go to kuala lumpur because they want to confront the officials at the highest level. >> those families clearly frustrated with the level of evidence that they have been given over the last 24 hours. so let's talk about that new analysis. let's bring in our panel of experts. pilot and former captain for northwest airlines.

and the author of "why planes crash." and the former transportation inspector, mary ska voe. just so people understand the level of confidence we have with thisny information. let me go down the list here. how confident are you at this point that this data does show definitively that flight 370 ended as they say in the indian ocean? >> yes, i'm confident because the other routes have less evidence, have no evidence at all for any route. with this satellite data being smoothed out, i think it's the right place to look. >> same thing. a lot of confidence in the brits. >> very confident. >> all three of you are confident that the flight did end in the indian ocean.

do you feel though that the level of data they have is enough in and of itself or do you feel they have other evidence that they're not revealing? >> in and of itself, it carries its own weight. >> absolutely agree with david on that one. >> mary? >> same for me. i agree. >> this is interesting to know. i think a lot of people out there are wondering, they must know more. this is any mathematical way to look at data they they've had before. you three who know a lot about this seem very, very confident that this flight did end in the indian ocean. a little more expansive now, though. even though you believe it is in fact enough to hang this on, you do not think you would have told the families definitively, there are no survivors. >> no. because i'd like to lay out the facts. that's just the way i like to do anything. just lay out the facts. you know, they can draw their

own conclusions that their loved ones are not coming back. the facts that we know that the coordinates point, the plane went the southern route. it couldn't have gone any further at this point. this is the last point of communication. there are no airports there. i don't think it was necessary to hammer them with the awful news. on the flip side, it was fairly brave of the prime minister to say those words. those are awful words that no one would want to say. >> how much does this narrow down the search area now? you know, it rules out the northern corridor, but that southern corridor is a very, very big space. does this new analysis allow them to narrow down the certainly area? >> it does. we're going from a search area larger than the united states, the lower 48, to probably somewhere between the size of new mexico and the size of massachusetts.

it just gets easier for the search crews. not easy fier for the recovery crews. but some specifics we can backtrack. >> how big of a setback is it right now that they series sended the certainly for 24 hours because of the weather? can they afford this at this point? >> no. it's a devastating set back. even if we started the search today and had just a hundred square mile area to look, it would be difficult to get this done before weather sets in. >> no knows where the data could be tomorrow. mary, i want to shift gears right now to the families. you work with families of victims of plane accidents and mishaps. we now know they've been offered $5,000, that's just to cover the logistics of the last few days and few weeks.

how much can they realistically expect going forward? what kind of lawsuits do you anticipate there will be? >> there will be lawsuits because that's how it has to be done. and for the airline, it's other under a treaty. that governs how you go about bringing actions against the airline. basically, the airline is responsible for the damages automatically for the first approximately 175,000. and after that, to unlimited amounts unless the airline can show it took all reasonable measures to prevent whatever happened. since we don't know what happened, i think the airline can't prove that, so they will be liable. say there was a mechanical failure or a problem with the engines, that is not governed by the treaty and that would be brought. and it's a lawsuit. each family is separate. it's not a class action. that would be brought where the family lives or where the defendant is located.

that 5,000 is just to help them along with expenses. that is not the amount that they are expected to recover. >> much more of course, depending on what the investigation turns up. this new analysis of the inmarsat data ruling out the northern corridor. does this rule in or rule out in your mind any possible scenarios for what happened on board that plane? >> the only thing we know for sure is we lost all communications with the airplane and then it flew on for several hours. i tend to think having done accident investigations, i look for the syrup l answer -- simple answers. it could be something else, but until we have a full background check oner member of the crew, every passenger and every person that serviced the airplane in the last 30 or so days, that's going to take a lot more than, hey, we checked them out,

they're okay. >> does this rule in or rule out any possible scenario, mary. that's an awful long ways away from the malaysian peninsula. could it have flown that far that long without any communications? >> only if something had failed on the aircraft in my mind. the system we thought had gone off automatically or someone had turned it off and the transponders, both of those pieces of data have now been debunked. i do believe mechanical failure of some kind of fire. we don't know what, of course. i don't rule that out. >> all right. this discussion very much continues as the investigation continues. great to have you here. stick around. we do have a lot more to talk about. >> we'll get back to our coverage of that in a moment. >> there's another big store

rewe are following. the on going search for su vie divorce north of seattle. we know that at least 14 people are dead. 176 people remain unaccounted for. while they are treating this as an active rescue operation, hope is certainly fading fast. we're live in arlington, washington. hope is certainly fading. >> reporter: yes. but people are hanging onto that a little bit of hope. good morning to you. this mudslide is about a whole square mile wide and deep and about 15 feet deep in somepla plac places. this is as close as we're going to get on the west side. any closer we're told conditions are still treacherous. we're also told that there's still potential for even more slides. for the families of those missing, it really is a helpless feeling as they await answers.

>> none of us feel like she's gone. >> her 52-year-old husband is among those still missing after a massive landslide on saturday in snohomish county. >> i've been at the fire hall at midnight looking for anything. i've seen the rescuers covering in mud and the despair on their faces is very evidence, that they want to help. >> reporter: steven was on a service call when it hit. >> i think if anyone had a chance it would be him. i think if he was there with other people, he would keep them alive too. >> reporter: they say the outlook is grim. >> we did not find any sign of any survivors. >> reporter: volunteers aren't giving up hope. >> we just heard this morning

that another dog got rescued. if we're still finding dogs alive, why can't we be finding people. >> reporter: this 4-year-old boy taking this photo moments after pulling him from the mud. >> i took all his clothes off because he was freezing. wrapped him up and held him and told him i was a grandma. >> reporter: cory kuntz lost his aunt and his uncle to the slide. >> he had a little air pocket. my neighbors and friends came and started digging him out. >> reporter: he and neighbors have formed their own search crew in the hopes that more will be found alive. more help is on the way today. we know teams from california are joining the search and rescue operation when kay breaks -- daybreaks this

morning. an emergency declaration was issued. it can't come soon enough for the dozens of people now displaced, and with more rain in the forecast. >> there is more rain further causing that already porous land to remain unstable. what a devastating story. we're going to continue to follow that obviously. more news. breaking overnight, two people found dead after a late night shooting in virginia. the victims were a male sailor and a male civilian. the incident took place just before midnight. the investigation is on going. we will bring you developments throughout the morning on that. president obama sending a second day at the hague in the netherlands. from there, he travels to brus ls. the brent and other leaders met on the sidelines at the summit monday and essentially decided

to kick russia off the g8. they agreed to boycott planned g8 summit meeting in sochi. ru russia dismissed the move as unimportant. the nsa's controversial phone data program could go under a major overhaul. the proposal would allow phone companies to keep the call data instead and require the nsa to get a court order to access the information. in south africa, more compelling testimony in the osc oscar pistorius murder trial. they are cross examining the text messages reeva steenkamp tent -- sent to the olympic sprinter. a few of them were friendly

conversations between the couple. vast majority of these are friendly mundane conversation between lovers. some of them though are lovers' quarrels via text. >> thank you so much. yesterday, a little cooler for some folks in the eastern part of the country. we turn -- >> it's going to be chilly today. and even colder as we get closer to the weekend. of course, all the ingredients are coming together. we have rain in the carolinas. we already have snow in west virginia. this is going to be our next major storm. we have blizzard watches in effect for the cape. and winter storm watches in effect for parts of massachusetts. we're going to see rain from raleigh to the south. you can see d.c., new york, boston, even maine ail covered

with snow. still cannot agree on the models. and this thing is happening today. here's the american model. look at that european model. still 3 1/2 inches of snow in new york. 8 inches in boston and possibly a foot or more around the cape. something, we are watching, of course. the winds are also going to be a major concern. gusts up to 55 at times. the temperatures also another thing to note. new york city, 38 today. 36 on wednesday. finally starting to warm up just a little bit more by the time we get to the end of the week guys. the seasons are changing, so you have to hope that this could be maybe the last one? >> maybe it's the currency exchange that explains the discrepancy in numbers. >> they don't understand baseball. it's almost baseball season,

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welcome back. the certainly area for flight ssh search area for flight 370 on hold this morning because of awful stormy weather. malaysian officials announce the the plane, they believe went down in the southern indian ocean. it is a very, very difficult task still that they are facing. joining me here on our giant floor map is ocean explorer and

naval officer david jordan. the news we received today, that search area in the last three or four days, that has been suspended for 24 hours. just talk to me about how weather in general affects ocean searches. >> my expertise is searching under the water. can we go underneath this floor? >> i wish. >> under water, the weather is a different problem. you're mainly concerned about the surface waves. under water, it's nice and quiet. in a hurricane, a submarine is unaffected. >> but those surface vessels are not. we understand today the waves are anywhere from 1 or 2 meters to 3 or 4. can you conduct any kind of effective search in waves like that? >> you really can't. it's impossible to recover your vehicles or if you're toeing

something, to tow it safely. high winds and high seas are definitely -- >> we do understand the australian naval vessel, "the success" had pulled back. this search area looks very small. i think there are two separate issues. from the air and surface is one thing. how big is this square for you when you're searching under water? >> i think the folks we were talking to earlier said maybe 10,000 square miles. that's an area the size of massachusetts. that immense. there are areas the size of mb mb where you don't have a -- nebraska where you don't have a single data point. the -- at 1 nautical mile per hour, it could take months and months to search that area.

from the air, we can see sometimes tens or hins of miles -- hundreds of miles from satellite and you can move at high speeds. under water, we're limited to maybe a mile. you can cover maybe a square mile per hour. >> it's almost impossibly big for you under water, until you can narrow down that search area. what can sonar show us and what are the limitations there? >> the limitations are physics. and that hasn't changed. we can't do anything technologically to improv what we can do today. we can see objects the size of a meter, which would be big enough to detective the plane from maybe a mile away. that's not very far. beyond that, it gets very fuzzy. other things like rocks on the sea floor or geology will begin

to interfere. >> until you get a camera on it, you don't know what that object is. you need to be, what, a few feet away to get a camera on something? >> that's correct. i equate it to maybe a radar blip. we would need to get within a few dozen feet to see something clearly enough to identify it. >> the assets on this, the blue fin submersible sub, how effective will these be? >> the ping locater may not be very effective. it may be 2 miles away before you even start. so you'd have to bo right on top of it to find it. and of course, it has a limited life. >> and a submersible, you need a much better area of where to search with to begin with. hopefully they will find debris

and be able to narrow that down soon. thank you for helping us understand what they're up against. >> all right. thaks so much. next up on "new day," if and when wreckage from flight 370 is found, australia will likely haul it from the water and maybe give the world the first answers in this on going minute city. the defense minister talking about that exclusively with our kate bolduan next. ? what do you mean? your grass, man. it's famished! just two springtime feedings with scotts turf builder lawn food helps strengthen and protect your lawn from future problems. thanks scott. [ scott ] feed your lawn. feed it. ♪ every now and then i get a little bit hungry ♪

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welcome back to "new day" everyone. i'm coming to you live from

perth, australia, the heart of this certainly effort here. right now, it's all on hold because of very rough weather. gale-force winds, heavy rains and low cloud cover have sidelined search crews. they described it not as just looking for a needle in a hay stack, he says they have yet to find the hay stack. i spoke to them about the search. >> what's the message to families who wait with baited breath for any answer as to where this debris is? >> all i can say is how tragic this whole mystery has been for them. the e emotional roller coaster they have been on. i know my prime minister and myself are very concerned to not

give false expectations. the first thing we want to do is extract wreckage if there is any. that is the first threshold issue that we are focused upon. >> you're not comfortable enough yet to say this is debris from the plane? >> all we are going is responding as best we can until something positive comes up. we've got to get a boat into the water. we've got to hook up the debris, depending on its size and then we have to have experts tell us whether it's a part of this process. >> let's say "the success" find the debris. is it identified right there on the ship or is it brought back to perth? >> they will then move into the area. they'll look for anything, the serial numbers, the shape of it,

the colors of the markings. they will find as much as they can and pass that back to the coordination center and then they will start looking at that and describing it to see if it's possibly a part of wreckage and then we will look to collect more. some wreckage, serial numbers or things like that, it becomes very obvious. other parts, it might be quite generic and difficult to do. >> as someone who is helping to lead one of the major parts of this effort, the investigation here, do you think the criticism of your counter parts in malaysia has been fair? there's been a lot of focus on that. >> hindsight is always a wonderful thing in a mystery such as this. i think the blame game is a long way from being incredibly able to be started.

look, this has been a tragedy. it has come from nowhere. who would have anticipated anything like this. an aircraft just going off the radar. and now we believe it's about 3,500 kilometers away from where it's supposed to be. >> you're working very hard to spot this debris. are you confident this effort will find the debris at some point? do you think there is a chance that we will never find this plane even if it landed in the indian ocean? >> it again is difficult to speculate. we take every bit of information that comes in being shared by many, many nations to try and refine the search area. there's always a possibility, but i think eventually something will come to light, but it's going to take time. >> something that's very difficult in these trying times,

when you only have a limited number of hours left on that black box. good lick with the -- luck with the search. >> reporter: they did say late today that they do expect search efforts to resume tomorrow, because they do expect the weather to improve. this really has been a setback today. the ships have had to move out of the area. just to give you a sense, the waves they are looking at are at 6 1/2 feet. the swells, they were looking at 13-foot swells, heavy rain, low cloud cover, making it near impossible to find something that is nearly impossible to find. maybe some optimism here. the search could resume tomorrow. coming up next on "new day," a british satellite company had the first big break through in this search. highway did the company figure

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welcome back to "new day." british satellite company inmarsat used ground breaking analysis to track flight 370. using data, the handshakes

they're calling them, they concluded that the flight followed a path along the southern corridor and likely ended in the southern indian ocean. the head of inmarsat spoke with wolf blitzer about the certainty of their findings. >> you know for sure without any doubt whatsoever that the plane went into the indian ocean and that that are no survivors? >> no. what i can tell you for definite is that as the operator for the last 34 years, we have a lot of experience. we feel the sadness of the families and we do feel for them at this point. but if you look at the plots that we have using our recent adjusted techniques, we can say that the most likely route is the south and the most likely ending is in roughly the area they're looking now. of course, nothing is final. we're not earth observation

satellites. we're data satellites. it will require a lot of different people to finally confirm what happened to flight 370. >> i want to bring back the former faa inspector david. we're standing here on this map of the world. i want you to explain to me. as that plane was flying in the southern corridor, taking off from kul la lime pure, what kind of data was it sending back and what is inmarsat down analyzing? >> the information being sent when you talk about a ping, it's a handshake, it's i'm up here and it's communicating and saying i'm here and then it sends something back saying, i am this person. but the information being sent distinguishes that aircraft. >> and now they've reanalyzed this data they've had for a few weeks now and determined that it

did go along with route. and along this entire route it was sending back those handshakes. >> correct. correct. this satellite has never before been used for finding anything. it's simply for communications. what the brilliant scientists at inmarsat did, they calculated how long it takes to communicate with the satellite here, here, here. each time, as it gets closer, it takes less time to communicate to it. >> there was something else we learned from the news conference, there were all these hands shakes and then there was a partial handshake that took place somewhere around here that they're still analyzing. what do you think that could be? >> i think that's the best clue of all. then at that point, they know that the aircraft, it starting getting away from the center of

the satellite. the partial handshake would indicate that something happened on either end. that something happened. the aircraft was trying to communicate and then it stopped. that communication is continuely verified. they're still communicating with each other saying is this still the airplane i'm talking to. to me, that would have probably -- and i think they said it was the last one. >> right. >> that would have told me conclusively -- and i'm no scientist with this, from this person i've been talking to, that would say at that point is when they lost communication with the aircraft. >> beyond that point, no more handshakes. they've hall indicated -- calculated that as beyond the point that this plane could have flown because of the fuel on board. >> there's no handshaking going on. what's you're saying is, that's the last time that the aircraft

had power or had the antenna working. that's the best clue they have. >> that's where they will search when the weather improves. >> next up on "new day," more than two weeks of frustration and grief now turning to rage. families of those on board flight 370 say malaysia has made their pain so much worse. we're going to speak with an expert who has worked before with grieving families. also a shipping channel at a standstill because of an oil spill. will those ships be able to move today?

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welcome back. overnight, hundreds of family members and friends of missing flight 370 passengers marched on malaysia's embassy in beijing. on monday, their worst fears were confirmed when malaysian officials announced that the plane went down and no one on board survived. joining us now is a woman who has counselled families of victims of tw flight 800 and the

september 11th terror attacks. we're really pleased to have you here. nearly 24 hours ago, we saw the families of the passengers as they reacted to receiving the news about how the flight ended in the indian ocean. certainly strong displays of emotion. i think many of us can relate to that. some people lashed out. this is typical, one would imagine, of how you'd react to getting this kind of information. >> yes, it is. anger is a normal reaction to any grief, but it's intensified with the circumstances around the plane going down. they have been told that there are no survivors, but i think many of them are still waiting for the proof of it. it has to be somebody's fault that this happened.

so they're now expressing their anger at what seems the most evident. >> as a counselor, monthlily, how do you counsel someone who is experienced this? because first after all, you're dealing with their grief, right? >> right. >> the trauma of losing someone so dear to you. but then the frustration and the anger. do you separate those and deal with them differently? >> what you do is you listen. people have the mistaken idea that counselling is a lot of talking. but actually, counselling is listening. and my philosophy has always been, let the person take me where they want to go. if they want to express their anger, then i'm there to listen to it. not to condemn them, not to tell them they shouldn't feel that way, but to let them express whatever they're feeling at that very moment. >> i was about to ask you -- we

know there's 14 different nationalities represented on the passenger manifest. so we have various cultures and their ways of dealing with grief. i suppose listening working in any language and in any country. >> absolutely. and with any culture, you're always going to have the incredible sadness. you're going to have the feeling of helplessness, you're going to have the frustration and there's always going to be anger at why did this happen or what caused it. so there are some common things, regardless of the nationalities. >> one of the things generating frustration from people not necessarily affected by, almost reacting to how the families are being treated, now they opted in to receive a text message from the malaysian officials that their loved ones were lost. i think that shocks a lot of us.

as a grief counselor, how would you handle that and would you suggest this is the best way to go? >> i would not suggest it's the best way to go, but i do not want to try to second-guess a government at this point. but normally, you would have somebody with them during the plane crash after 9/11, if you remember two weeks later, there was a plane crash in new york. and during that time, the families had a spiritual person with them, a mental health person with them to take them to a private room and to tell the families that their family member' name was on the manifest. that worked -- i mean there was a lot of grief. there was a lot of reaction. but that seemed to work pretty well.

>> i was thinking about the fact that for some of the families, yesterday's announcement might bring them a measure och closure, by the fact remains, we don't know if we're ever going to find this wreckage. that uncertainty must be a difficult aspect of this process for the grieving people. >> it is. i think sometimes we use the word "closure" very openly. i don't think in a catastrophe like this that there's ever going to be closure for those families. i think there's moving on, you know, from the emotion of the first hearing the news. and i really think for some of them, until it's absolutely positively proven to them, here's a piece of the plane, or here's something that we can identify with the crash, i think some of them are still in their

hearts hoping against hope that this is not true. >> molly, we want to thank you for your insight. we certainly know too, john, one of the aspects we've heard from surviving members of people lost in flight disasters like this is that the help is needed down the road, after the cameras go away, after the press conferences are over. that's when they really need the support. >> grief can lead to anger. in this case, i think they had anger already. i think probably it makes the situation even worse. >> turn to another story we've been following. dozens of ships still stranded at the port of houston this morning as oil containment efforts stretch into a fourth day. a barge collision led to 170,000 gallons spilled this weekend. they are re-evaluated whether

traffic can resume today. what kind of conditions are we talking about here? >> we're talking about a little bit of rain into wednesday and thursday. temperatures are in the 60s. but notice the winds. winz will be increasing as we go into wednesday and thursday, and they will be out of the south. the worry is a lot of that oil will be pushed into the bay. i want to show you video, a lot of the aerials of the cleanup. the best case scenario now is officials are hoping that this will just continue to flow to the north, eventually turn into the things we heard with the bp oil spill. going back to the maps, here a map of what we're looking at. the spill right here. it is starting to flow into the bay. of course, that is the main concern. when you come pain this, though, to the exxon valdez spill, this

doesn't even compare. you have the wildlife you're worried about. gas prices could go up if the ships can't get into the channel. the seafood industry affected as well. >> it's happening at a very interesting anniversary. be sure to watch the special report on the exxon valdez "oil & water". >> certainly a lot of news broke overnight. let's bring you up to speed. the aircraft is now lost. none of the passengers on board survived. >> we have not successfully identified and recovered any debris. >> we've had to abandon operations for 24 hours. went to openness and respect for families. >> a liar and even a murder.

they just hype everything. we've united in opposing russia for its actions so far. it swallow add square mile of land and everything in its path. >> we didn't find any sign of any survivors. our viewers from around the united states and around the globe, i'm michaela pereira alos angeles side john berman again for chris cuomo. new developments in the on going search for flight 370. >> narrowing down the search area. we want to get straight to kate bolduan. >> reporter: good morning everyone joining you from perth, australia. officials are now focusing on the southern tip of the corridor. the effort is on hold right now because conditions are so dangerous out in the southern indian ocean, that it's being slammed with huge waves and

importantly, very low cloud cover. so visibility, not good enough for the search. the search, though, is expected to resume tomorrow as conditions are expected to improve. malaysia airlines telling distraught family members they will never see their loved ones again. the company is offering each passenger's family $5,000. the money, though, little consolation for the anguish, angry relatives in china. hundreds of them marched towards the malaysian embassy in beijing today, but police officers blocked them from reaching the building. let's bring in jim clancy who has been following this investigation from the very beginning. he is live in kuala lumpur. they're no longer focusing on

the northern corridor. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: they've narrowed down the search area, kate, to about one-fourth of what it was before. it's down to now about 470,000 square nautical miles. they're not going to arrive we're told with the pingers until the first week of april. that's really cutting it close to find the flight data recorder and the other black boxes. the police inspector general shut down the media today telling them they weren't going to release any details because it might jeopardize the investigation. meantime, we have ail sorts of theories floating around. i just want to caution everybody. this is how the police are investigating. they're taking a theory, trying to prove it or disapprove it.

we've still got to wait for the evidence. back to john. >> thank you so much. want to talk about the new information, theny data currently being analyzed. let's bring in our cnn aviation analyst, miles o'brien and former department of transportation inspector. mary, i want to start with you on the news today about what's happening and frankly, what's not happening today. the weather is awful, planes can't fly, ships are more than a hundred climb tors away from where they spotted debris just yesterday. >> it's a very big setback. i guess if there's any hope at all, all they need is just a little bit and they can always trace whatever they do find back and still try to locate where the place of impact was.

they can also do that as the satellite data gets better and better, they will also be able to calculate where it might be likely that the plane impacted the water because it seems that the satellite data is getting better. they can calculate the fuel burn after the last ping. i think they can still certainly for the black boxes, even if they don't come back with any wreckage. >> even though it makes it much, much harder. miles o'brien, first of all, let me say, long time fan. great to see you here. >> thank you. >> talk to me about this new information from inmarsat. this satellite data that was reanalyzed. do you have issues now with the definitiveness of the conclusions they reached as compared to the information that they actually released? >> i said it yesterday, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and we

have not seen the evidence. inmarsat has said it crunched these numbers basically by using the difference in time between the plane and the satellite as it moves, they're able to determine basically on a big giant circle where it might be on the face of the earth. this is a data transmission satellite. so i give them a lot of credit for trying to do this. it would be nice as they make these definitive statements to release the definitive evidence so we can all look at it. frankly, i think they owe this to the families. >> it makes you think that there might be more that they're not willing to release, doesn't it? >> they've said it's proprietary information. but this might be one case where they have to figure out a way to share data that they may not normally share. i realize there's all kinds of

propertocols protocols, but the malaysian authorities are not inclined to release data. when you say something as drastic as was said yesterday and not lay out the facts for them, that's devastating emotionally. i think they owe it to the families to lay out some of the things. we haven't even heard the atc recordings. we haven't seen the maintenance records of the aircraft. everybody says the media's not entitled to it. the families are entitled to it. >> i see you nodding your head, mary. >> miles is so right. i've worked with hundreds of families. they all say the same things, just give us the facts. they always say don't sugar coat it. we're not mentally ill, we're just grieving, we're angry, we want facts. that is what i was told without

exception. by not giving it to them, they assume there's something -- that you're holding back or that the government has a conspiracy. they just don't realize how devastating it is. the wreckage is important too because they want the personal effects back. any little clue of information so they know. they say, okay, this is proof what happened to my loved one. >> you almost can see how malaysian officials have changed the way they operate over the last two weeks. releasing a lot of information, pulling back. they're trying to gauge the right way to act here. miles, i want to talk about scenarios right now. with this new data that's been analyzed by inmarsat. the idea that the plane may have dipped to an altitude of 12,000 feet, do those two facts coincide with each other? i think you still have issues with whether or not this plane

could have flown to 12,000 feet? >> this is a key point. cnn has reported that the plane shortly after that good night call, turned fairly rapidly and fairly drastically dropped down to 12,000 feet from 35,000 feet. so taking aside why that might have happened, there's a whole bunch of reasons, at 12,000 feet, that aircraft is burping a -- burning a lot more fuel. they don't even public tables for file -- publish tables for fuel burn at 12,000 feet. so that raises a question about the certainly zone. the military radar pinged and came up with that number, it's probably not the most accurate number there is. at 12,000 feet, it would come

way short of where this search a happening. the authorities clearly know this, but i'm curious -- again, i'd like to seattle more of the data why they're searching where they are. >> based on what we do know, what's been released with the new analysis of the inmarsat data, a mechanical scenario, some kind of mechanical failure still seem like the most likely scenario to you? >> it does to me. remember, you have to look at the whole picture. the important part of this picture is there is absolutely no evidence, none that they've released, of any criminal activity of anything whatsoever. and often times they just grab onto something, say it must be pilot suicide because we can't find out what it is. gist because we haven't found the evidence, doesn't mean that it's something else. we must fix it.

it would leave many, many people vulnerable in the future. >> all right. great to have you here. thank you so much. of course we'll return to the coverage of flight 370 in just a moment. the number of dead in missing keeps rising in washington state at the scene of a massive mudslide. look at the images on your green. it covered one kwar mile. we know at this point at least 14 people have died. this is the concern. there's 176 other people still unaccounted for. officials say they still consider this is search and rescue operation. they are describing this situation as very grim. we're live in washington. >> reporter: good morning to you. we're about 3 miles from the landslide itself and officials are urging people to stay away saying it's still a very dangerous area. in fact, some of the rescuers

had to be pulled out using ropes after getting stuck in the muddy degree up to their armpits we're told. officials say they aren't hearing any new signs of life as of the latest press conference. we do know they're using helicopters, hovercraft, they have search dogs, about 100 personnel on the ground right now continuing to search through all of that debris. we know 14 people are confirmed dead. at least 7 people had to be hospitalized including a 6-month-hold bailey. 176 people unaccounted for. but keep in mind, this community has lost a lot of their communications system. so their phone lines are down. cell phone reception is sketchy at best. they're hopeful the number of unaccounted for will continue to

drop as we get through today and the next coupling of days. those still waiting for answers, they are just holding onto hope praying for a miracle. >> we're acutely aware of how precipitation in that rain in the pacific northwest played a part in this landslide. the big question is, what are we expecting today in respect to weather, that certainly sells us what rescuers are going to be up against. >> reporter: it is dry right now. they had a nice dry day yesterday sort of allowing the ground to stabilize, if you will. but we are expecting more rain in the forecast in the next few hours. that's definitely going to play a role as they continue do work through that debris. there were concerns about a possible additional slide yesterday. we'll continue to monitor the situation. >> slow work needs to be done

there. thanks so much. to the obama administration now set to called for an end to the controversial bulk data collection of phone records by the nsa. it would require the nsa to get a court order to access the data. we are traveling with the president in the netherlands and we are joining her now from near the hague. >> reporter: senior administration officials confirmed this morning the white house has been working with congress and soon would propose legislation that would leave the collection of americans' phone records with phone companies and the storage with phone companies are third parties. instead of nsa keeping data for five years, the phone companies would only be required to keep it for 18 months. in addition, the white house's

proposed legislation would require them to get specific judicial approval for every phone number within this data. if this were to pass, that would put the nsa out of the business of collecting and storing americans' phone records, but would still give them access to it when needed. >> all right, thank you for that. certainly a big development there. >> a lot of people watching that one. let's get to christine romans. >> good morning. breaking overnight, two men found dead after a late-night shooting at naval station norfolk in virginia. the victims were a sailor and civilian suspect. they say it took place on the uss mayhem just before midnight. an investigation is on going. the planned meeting of the g8 in june is off and so is the

g8. it's now the group of seven economic powers. after president obama suspended russia's membership. thousands of russian troops are now gathered on the bar der. ukraine just voted to dismiss its acting defense minister. in south africa, it's day 15 of the oscar pistorius trial and a warrant officer just took the stand to testify about crime in pistorius' neighborhood. he says there was no record of pistorius reporting a crime even though pistorius claimed in a bail application he had been a victim of burglaries. he says he shot and killed his ex-girlfriend because he thought he was an intrue der. two companies have sued over the birth control mandate in the health care law saying it

violates the business owners' religious belief. the government claims corporations are not people and don't have the same free exercise rights. oral arguments later this morning. fascinating case to watch. >> it could seep into areas that involve gay rights and whatnot. >> that's right. >> all right. thank you so much for that. short break here. next up, waiting for the weather to clear in the south indian ocean before they resume the certainly for the wreckage of flight 370. we're going to take a closer look at just how it was determined that the plane crashed into the ocean. plus cnn's ireport sbooif with michelle obama.

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and welcome back to "new day." malaysian officials announced flight 370, they believe it crashed in the southern indian ocean based on information they were given by a company called inmarsat. it used satellite analysis to track the flight through a study of the plane's pings. they said it likely went down in the southern indian ocean. but how exactly did they do it? i'm joins by a man much smarter than i, mr. jeff wise.

let's begin and get an idea of exactly how this system works. i think that's paramount to our understanding of how they used the data. >> we're using the system for a purpose it was not ooshlgly intended. it's communications. basically, the satellite says, are you there, yeah i'm here, and then they talk. the system that talks on the plane was shut off, but the one that says, yeah, i'm here, was still working. so the satellite's here, the plane is somewhere out there. >> okay. >> so the plane says yo, i'm here. that's it. nothing further was discussed. normally, that the not very much information. the inmarsat engineers said, what can we derive from this information. how about how long it took the

plane to respond? you can figure out how far it is. imagine you're in a darkened room and you have a piece of string -- >> why don't i move onto this one. >> sure. >> 211 we get this ping. >> imagine we don't know where that ping is. we know it's a certain distance away. it could be here. it's somewhere on this circle, okay? >> okay. >> now, so then it so happens that -- at this point it was still on the malaysian radar track. this is the point where the inmarsat data and radar data overlaps. we wait another hour and it's still the same distance away. can i draw on this? >> yeah, you sure can. >> so the northern arc and southern arc, that's at 8:11. it was on an arc somewhere like

this. with each hour, the plane was located at a different distance from the satellite. now, we know the plane has to be moving otherwise it wouldn't stay in the air. and we know -- if you make an assumption about is speed, say it's going 500 miles an hour, if it's still on the same arc, it must be about this distance away. >> you can drag and drop if you like. >> we don't know which direction it's going, but we know how far it's going to go. >> so this is allowing them to hone in. >> exactly. now it's here or here. or here or here. >> i think that's what people are struggling to understand is the "or." i we know the malaysians have focused on the southern arc. you are saying don't discount the northern, correct? >> that's what i had been saying because we didn't have any data that led us to determine north

or south. all this math is symmetrical. >> because the satellite is here looking and it's about the distance away from the point that it was heard. >> that's right. the new heavy diety math says we have other ways of analyzing this data that says it has to do this. >> and that's important to you, this independent review? >> absolutely, it is. even very smart people can get things wrong. if you come up with the mathematical proof, part of that process is independent experts will look at it. mistakes can be found. >> are we going to see inmarsat used further now because of this? you said it wasn't originally used. >> we had the tiniest about of data and these very smart people are crunching and recrunching and trying to figure out how

they can extract useful information from a tiny piece of information. >> because we don't know and until we find the wreckage, we won't definitively know. that's what's troubling to people, they say it likely crashed in the indian ocean. in the absence of finding wreck saj, those families are going to say, we don't know definitively. >> you can also go this far this way. >> that's a good point. always a pleasure. and good drawing on the board. >> this information, awfully hard to digest for these families. next up on "new day," grief, anger, the families of those on board flight 370, they demonstrate outside the malaysian embassy in china. plus, on inside politics, more on president obama's new plan for the nsa, how this is a major turn around for him.

and a major victory for privacy advocates.

good to have you back with us on "new day." let's get straight to christine romans. >> a lot of developments overnight. malaysian officials say tsearch now focused on the southern tip of the southern corridor, but the certainly is on hold. australian officials say they'll resume tomorrow. also the malaysian ambassador to china met with the families of

passengers. one family member says it was shameless saying the ambassador couldn't answer simple questions. a fema team is now on site in washington following the deadly mudslide. at least 14 people have died. 14 dead. 176 people are still unaccounted for. it covers a full square mile and devastated two towns north of seattle. emergency officials say it's still an active rescue operation. an admitted lone wolf terrorist to be sentenced today. he pleaded guilty to making pipe bombs to wage a holy war on new york. he took on a gee had mission targeting police officers and jews. he's expected to get 16 years in prison. four men arrested for parachuting out of 1 world trade center. police say they found video when

they searched the men's homes. one was a construction worker at the site. a defense attorney says they accessed the tower through a hole in the fence. last year a teen was arrested when he climbed the skyscraper. big questions about security at that facility. >> that's the last thing i would ever want to do. >> what about the insanity of jumping off the world trade center? >> apparently i'm not a thrill seeker and i'm okay with that. move now -- of course president obama in europe dealing with authority issues of ukraine right now. from that, to the authority of issue of domestic spying. let's go inside politics on "new day" with john king. >> good morning to you. a lot driving our day. with me to share the reporting and insighting cnn's peter ham by.

let's start with the big development in the nsa. now saying that the administration propose the nsa no longer keep the bulk met ta data. it's a huge restreet. the government since 9/11 has been gathering power. politically, is there any other way? some people think he's a traitor. you would have to say edward snowden is a big winner here. >> pro poen independents would say yes, he is a winner. the administration saying this has been an important point for us. they still haven't been able to point that one threat has been taken out by the collection of data has made americans uncomfortable. i'll be interested to see how guys on the hill deal with this as congress now in session will be forced to deal with these

bills. >> to that point, peter, you've had this weird coalition on the liberal side and thely ber tear january side. now that they've won this, will they want more? >> i think this is actually something that rand paul is actually happy with because it keeps the issue in the news. at berkeley last week, he had a standing ovation talking about this issue. i think you're going to perhaps see maybe another filibuster just to keep this in the headlines. one senator who is running for president is marco rubio who has to really apiece conservatives right now but is owning that neo-conservative space. >> fights within the republican conservative movement. here's a very important case. two cases actually.

it's known as the hobby lobby case. the owner of the business objects objects objects to obama care. it will be a big impact on the policy itself. this one is playing out also in a midterm election. saying it's not just about contraceptive it's about broader women's rights. now does it play out on the campaign trail? >> the ruling is likely going to come down in june. that's the perfect time for both sides to take it up. you can say the supreme court is enfridging on our liberty. if you're a democrat, you can say, you know, i'm a woman, my rights are being infringed upon. this is taking away control of my body. so it's going to be really politically powerful.

>> and especially as you see democrats more and more on defense in the polls. they're going to start playing more identity politics going after the women's vote. this is certainly an issue that will come up with year. >> to drooi -- drive votes in election year, you almost want to be on the losing side. if you lose at the court, you can use it to drive townout. we forget sometimes about people prominent in politics. the obama children will never have to worry about paying for college. their mom was an attorney. listen to michelle obama here. she had this collaboration with cnn ireport. one of them was about when she was college age, she wanted to take a trip overseas. listen to her letter how she was afraid to ask her working class dad if they could afford it. >> i didn't want to ask my

father, who was a working class guy, didn't have a lot of money to pay for that trip. it felt like an extravagance. i remember breaking down in tears feeling guilty about even asking him if i could do go. one of the things i remember him saying is he wanted me to have all the experiences that he didn't have. >> we gefr otherly cynical sometimes. it's worth remembering. politicians are people too. >> reminds a lot of people, you know, the story during the 2008 campaign that attracted them to the obama family in the first place. i can relate to this woman sitting in the white house who's giving her kids a really cool experience traveling overseas. it's a pretty cool story. >> borrowed eed every time to p for college. i remember how hard it is.

they didn't have the money. let's move on. a very important development in a senate race in alaska. it's another example of the establishment rallying to pick the right candidate. what's interesting here is, rice, who dabbles in and out of politics, she's been raising money this year. she's joining forces with carl rov. there are a couple more conservative and tea party establishment people who think less electable candidates. >> this is a senate race that probably not a lot of americans are paying attention to. it is a republican primary. the winner might have a chance to unseat in alaska. >> they need that seat. >> absolutely. so rice, who's been a little bit off the radar, but started reemerging in 2012, is in a tv ad running state-wide in alaska

endorsing him. what i thought was interesting about her reemergence in politics. she's raising money for nrcc later this month. she gave a big speech to the romney campaign back in 2012. they floated her as a vp pick. it's interesting to see her get back in the game a little bit, thinking about her future in the republican party. she has described herself as mildly pro-choice which is probably a nonstarter for any of them. >> that's what it looks like to me. obviously, the speech is very lucrative. it's great to have your name out there and stuff. i think this is a win-win pro pekt for her. she's keeping her name out there. >> let's stay in close with

alaska. there's a certain former alaska governor. she was once the republican vice presidential nominee. let's show you a tease of her tour. >> get red, wild, and blue america. >> april 3rd, sarah palin is coming to sportsman shanl. >> this show is going to highlight a freedom that we get to experience in america. >> never back down and hardly afraid to get a little dirty. >> they're always incredibly well-produced. here's the twitter ad promoting the show. she's come wg a fill heart and a full magazine. there's a joke about, what about serving a full term. i'm not going to make that joke, will you? >> she also has a new streaming tv show called rogue tv. sarah palin is -- i think in 2012, there was a reasonable

chance she could have jumped in at the last minute. i'm not sure there's a political future for her anymore. but she certainly knows how to have a career in entertainment. >> remember her last tv show on tlc only lasted eight episodes. i'm interesting to see if this one has a little more staying power. >> as we go back to new york, i'm sure john berman is going to watch this program all the time. he will put it on the dvr. >> i go to sleep luckily at 7:00, so i don't get to make these decisions. john king with the full term joke there. i envy your twitter feed over the next three hours. short break here. next uppen on "new day," heart break in the search for flight 370. desperate families flooding the malaysian embassy in beijing. the latest for you from china.

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welcome back to "new day" everyone. i'm coming to you live from perth, australia and we are following the latest developments in the search for flight 370. this morning, rage and clashes between frustrated family members and police in china. hundreds of family members

marched toward the malaysian embassy in china today, but police officers blocked them from reaching the embassy building. what happened? >> reporter: kate, the families here in china say they're just not satisfied with the malaysian government's explanation about why they had to announce that the plane went down now. they say they want tangible evidence before they close the door on this ordeal. this morning, outrage and fury as families face off with police. over 300 chinese friends and family members of flight 370 protesting. >> from the beginning, they just hype everything. i don't think that this kind of government, a liar and even a murder can solve anything. >> reporter: following monday's dire announcement.

>> flight mh-370 ended in a sudden indian ocean. >> reporter: frustrated by the handling of the incident, they descend upon the embassy on foot, marched almost 2 miles and the police blocked the embassy once they arrived. they announced there was no hope for the passengers on the 777, piercing the hearts of millions. so my mom is gone, one woman cries as she falls into the arms of her family. another woman wailing, i can't be like this, i can't be like this. some so distraught they had to be wheeled out in emergency beds. some yelling, furious and skeptical of malaysian's

investigation. reading in part, they continue putting off, holding back and covering up the truth of the incident, as well as trying to deceive the families of passengers and people of the entire world. >> i don't know why i just want to see some thing of the aircraft and the black box. there are too many unanswered questions. >> reporter: now, because of all the questions that still remain, some chinese families say they're now willing to go to kuala lumpur because they want to confront the officials there at the highest level. they say the malaysian representatives are just not effective enough. china's president has sent his deputy foreign minister to malaysia to try to negotiate this whole ordeal. kate? >> reporter: thanks so much. so many questions and it is far from clear when they are going to get any of the answers that

will give them any comfort to deal with their loss. coming up next on "new day," in a vast and remote ocean, the search for flight 370's wreckage may now rely on high-tech robotics. that's coming up next.

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>>. >> this is a smaller version of the larger units they will use. >> it's a submersible. >> yes, it is. >> unmanned submersible. >> here's the key that i think is important to know, i was assuming this would be like a drone, right? >> it is a drone, but unline the drones that they fly from langly -- >> where a guy's got a stick operating it. >> you have to preprogram it. it has to have a brain or instructions on its own. >> so there's no free styling. there's no further explanation

if you find something. >> on some of the larger units, you can give it updates on navigation l issues. but it's got all its internal workings, it will find its way. >> explain why this technology is so vital. >> this is the future. no matter where you are, you have to get the camera, in this case, we're taking pictures with sound instead of light. and you have to get it close to the subject. close in this instance, is 30, 45 meters from the bottom of the ocean. >> which is still pretty close. >> you have to get it that close. you have to go there. in order to get there, you have to put it on a cable and tow it in 2,000 feet or 20,000 feet of water. >> whichokay.

this is. >> we know the search was called off for today because of the issue with the weather being inclement, to say the least. they're dealing with high seas, high wind, gusts et cetera.

how do these deal with that? >> the issue with anything in the ocean putting it in and out of the water is always the issue. those are the limiting factors. this one will run about eight hours. >> they are narrowing the search with the satellite information. now they have an idea where it went in. it's just a matter of how narrow they can get that search. these things can run, average 10

square nautical miles a day. >> and it's looking to pick up those pings, correct? >> correct. these will not pick up the pings. that's the next thing. they're going to send in something to try to find the ping. they've gotten days. >> then this guy goes, or one like this. >> if they don't find the ping, they're going to have to create a search area where they highly likely think it is and then they start using these to kind of mow the lawn. >> good way to look at it. thanks for bringing this in. incredible, the use of technology. >> they have a lot of work left to do. next up on "new day," with no definitive sign of flight 370, is it premature for the malaysian government to say the plane ended up in the ocean. our experts will debate? plus the grim search for

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we've had to abandon operations for 24 hours at least to avoid this weather. >> breaking overnight, suspended the flight for flight 370 called off. the weather too dangerous. we talked to australia's defense minister. does he think they can find the wreckage? >> anger and anguish, families of passengers outraged marching the malaysian embassy shouting out for answers as china demands data malaysian officials say they have. deadly mudslides, 170 missing, more than a dozen confirmed dead. that is expected to rise. we're live at the scene.

your "new day" continues right now. good morning. welcome back to "new day." i'm michaela pereira. breaking overnight, new developments in the search for flight 370. >> officials are focussing on a specific area not far from where kate baldwin joining us live from perth to explain. >> reporter: malaysian officials cutting off their search of the northern corridor now focussing solely on the southern corridor. why? the perth air force base is the heart of the search. now the conditions are so dangerous, the flight of 370 has been put on hold. the search area hit with powerful winds, large waves, heavy rain and importantly low cloud cover. visibility almost zero. also new the malaysian ambassador for china appeared inside the hotel in beijing

where family members are staying to meet with the relatives. one family member called the ambassador shameless as he couldn't answer questions. they're telling the family members they'll never see their family members again. >> the sad news delivered again that was delivered the night before by the prime minister. >> this morning the prime minister defending his announcement telling parliament he only wanted to be fully transparent the data from british satellites proved what had happened. airline officials defending their decision to send a text message to give families the news. >> was to insure that the incredibly short amount of time

available to us, the families heard the tragic news before the world did. >> as for the search, today 's severe weather has halted operations, even forcing ships to move out of the search area. i spoke in an exclusive one on one interview with the australian defense minister about the set back. >> do you think there's a chance we'll never find this plane even if it landed in the indian ocean? >> there's always a possibility. actually we might not find something next week or the week after. i think eventually something will come to light. it's going to take time. >> reporter: more time and patience many the frustrating operation that's left them so far empty handed. they find promise in the debris spotted yesterday. >> how confident are you of the debris spotted so far? they had to move out because of the weather. how confident are you when they move back in they'll be able to

locate it? >> we think we'll get in in a couple days time. this is a part of the world estimating the weather is very, very difficult. >> reporter: an added challenge as even though leading the search admit they're not exactly sure where a to look. >> we're not searching for a needle in the haystack. >> reporter: they still see promise in the objects spotted from the search plane. they have not found them or identified those objects. the important thing, they have the set back, 24 hours, planes on the ground, ships moved out of the area because of the rough seas. they've got a lot of ground to make up. the australian maritime safety authority expect searches to ramp back up tomorrow because weather is expected to improve. we'll continue to follow it here in perth, australia. >> kate talks about need for

patience. can they afford to be patience? let's bring in our experts. pilot and international captain from northwest airlines, david, faa inspector and author and faculty member of ohio state university shawn. i want to start with you here and bring you in on the new piece of information, analysis of the flight data, so called satellite handshakes. definitive enough to tell members of those on board there's no chance of survival? do you find it that definitive? >> no. i find it very surprising. there's a little bit of a leap here. i do believe the airplane probably is in the water. but to use those data points to make that announcement, that did seem like a bold leap.

>> yeah. david, probably in the water is a big leap from telling family members there's no chance of survival. >> as said earlier in the segment this morning, taking a leap in noire investigation to draw conclusions for these families is in my opinion pretty inappropriate. you say the fact, let them draw their own conclusions. tell them this is where we received the last information, apparently out of fuel and let that lie. >> as you mentioned, this is still an investigation david funk. that could be where a great area of focus is now that we're not hearing about. the backgrounds of everyone on that plane. still the investigation and background of the pilot and co-pilot. >> absolutely. we we want to know about everyone on the airplane, everyone that serviced the airplane, airplane records, everything to reduce the likelihood that it was an

event or point us in the direction when we find the wreckage -- i believe we will find it -- when we do that we'll know where to start looking. >> will we find it in time? that's the question. the clock is ticking to find the black box, cockpit data a recorder. i'm reading here the pinger locater won't arrive in the search area until april 5th. if you do the 30 daytiming on how long the battery sends out the ping, they don't have much time here. >> they don't. it can go past the 30 days. that's the regulatory requirement to make sure it goes there's a safety feature built in. it can go further than that. we looked for 447 after the fact. it took years. we had to wait through the winter, had to wait to come and find that. this is the most critical time now. we knew where that was and still took us that long to find it.

we don't know where this is. finding the debris is key. they can go back to where it most likely is. >> back out searching tomorrow with more ships and planes than they've had. that's good news assuming the weather breaks. shawn, i want to talk about the scenario from this data. you're not convinced it's as definitive as they say. you seem willing to accept the plane probably ended in the southern indian ocean somewhere. the question become, what put it there? what are the likely scenarios that put it on that path flying in the southern corridor for as long as it was? >> i think that the reasonable or potential explanations would be crew incapacitation on board the flight fire in the cargo hole or avionics bay that disabled the transponder. all these pieces point that direction. we're such a long way from being

able to establish anything meaningful from the data. what's really important is to understand how sparse the data points really are. we are making significant leaps trying to piece this together. >> talk about the lithium battery shawn. one thing we know, there were lithium batteries in the cargo hole. we know they have been an issue on previous flights. is this something we should look into more seriously now? >> very much. this is a concern. we don't allow these on passenger flights in the cargo hole. we do in the united states on cargo flights. i was quite surprised when i heard that announcement. there hasn't been a lot of chatter about that really. i think that's a significant piece of this puzzle that points more toward that type of explanation. but, just because we have a

missing airplane and there were lithium batteries on board, that doesn't tie that together. it does mean, if we find the debris field, that is going to be one of the areas of focus they're going to look at. when we find the debris, they're not going to be able to bring everything up. they'll pick and choose what they want. if they see what looks like these types of item, that's something they want to go after and look at further. >> thanks for being with us to unpack the information we've been getting and what to expect in the days ahead when they get back out in the ocean to search debris field. >> thank you so much john. we'll get back to that coverage in a moment. good morning again. breaking overnight, the investigation into the shooting death of two men at naval station in virginia. the victims were a sailor and civilian suspect killed by naval security forces.

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90 days. >> dozens of ships stranded at the port of houston this morning as the oil containment efforts stretch into day four. a barge collision led to a massive 170,000 gallon spill this weekend in the houston ship channel. coast guard officials are re-evaluating if travel can begin today. that's a very, busy, busy way for all kinds of different imports and exports to go through. most notably petroleum products. >> there will be a special on cnn tonight remembering the time in our history. next up on "new day," a "new day" exclusive. kate baldwin speaking with top australian officials who say they're doing everything they can now to flight flight 370's wreckage. we'll take you back to the mudslide in washington state that's left more than a dozen

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welcome back this morning. hopes are dimming as rescuers search for survivors at the scene of a deadly mudslide north of seattle. 14 people are known to have died. 176 remain unaccounted for. washington state patty murray says it's the worse devastation she's seen. we are live in arlington, washington with the efforts expected today. >> reporter: good morning michaela. we're a few miles from the

landsli landslide. it's too dangerous near the site of the slide with that described to be like quick sand 15 feet deep in some places and potential for more slides. for those waiting anxiously for answers, it's a helpless feeling. >> none of us feellike he's gone. >> brandon neil's 52-year-old husband stephen is among those missing after a massive landslide saturday. this hill gave way, swallowing a square mile of land and everything in its path. >> i've been at the fire hall at midnight looking for anything. i've seen the rescuers covered in mud and the despair on their faces is very evident there are -- they want to help. >> stephen a local plumber was on a service call when the mudslide hits. his daughter describes him as a survivor.

>> i think if anybody did it would be him. if there were other people, he would keep them a live too. >> officials say the outlook is grim. >> i'm disappointed we didn't find any sign of any survivors. >> volunteers taking tremendous risks combing through mud and rubble aren't giving up hope. >> we heard this morning another dog got rescued. if they're finding dogs alive, why can't we find people? >> three days ago, first responders say this boy was moments after they pulled him from the mud. >> they brought him to us in the ambulance. i took his clothes off because he was freezing. i told him i was a grandma. they couldn't find the rest of his family. >> corey lost his aunt and home. his uncle survived. >> i heard them pounding on that roof. he had a little air pocket. my neighbors and my friends came and started digging him out. >> he and neighbor as have

formed their own search crew in the hopes that more will be found a live. >> still more help is on the way. we know search crews from california are on their way today. also federal resources are being called in after an emergency declaration was issued. it is a race against time with even more rain in the forecast. michaela? >> the clock is ticking. good to know they're going to get federal help. ana, thank you. keep us updated. we should point out it's still an active search at this point. we want to let you know if you'd like to help the victims of the washington mudslide, go to cnn.com/impact. we're going to take a short break here's. next up, a "new day" exclusive. kate baldwin speaking to officials that say they need to identify the debris in the water

as soon as possible to find out if flight 370 is at the end of the bottom ocean. malaysian authorities are coming under criticism for their handling of this crisis. families in outrage and torn apart after yesterday's news. are officials handling this correctly? we'll ask our aviation experts.

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day" everyone. i'm coming live from perth, australia. as we continue to cover the

search for flight 370 in the indian ocean. now focused on that southern corridor. right now the search is on hold because of really rough weather. strong wind, heavy rains and low clouds have sidelined the effort at least for now. this morning, an australian official described the search as not looking for a needle in the haystack. he says that would be a kind way of describing it. he says they're looking for the actual haystack. i spoke one on one with the australia defense minister about the search. >> the most important thing, what's the message for families who wait for any answer of where the debris is and what happened to the plane? >> with respect to families all i can say is how tragic this whole mi mystery this has been for them. my prime minister and myself are concerned not to give false

expectations. we are doing everything we can. the first thing we want to do is ex tract wreckage if there is any from the surface of the ocean down there, 2,000 ki limitation of moti kilometers from perth. >> you're just looking for debris spotted right? >> we're searching the best we can until something positive comes up. we've got to get a boat in the water, hook up a boat depending on size, get it on board, have experts tell us whether it's part of an aircraft. >> i want to ask about that process. you can probably help with that. let's say success finds debris, bring it on board. is it identified right there on the ship? i know it's a huge ship. is it brought back to perth? what is the process? >> they'll move into the area. as they start to recover the debris, they'll look for serial numbers, shape of it, color,

markings. they'll find as much as they can, pass that back to the coordination center. then they will start looking at that and start looking and talking with experts and describing it to see if it's possibly a part of wreckage and then we'll collect more. some wreckage, if there's serial numbers or things it becomes obvious. if it's other part, it might be difficult to do. it's a big task. >> as someone helping to lead one of the major parts of this effort, the investigation here as the minister of defense. do you think the criticism of your counter parts in malaysia has been fair? there's been a lot of focus on that in this investigation. >> hindsight is always a wonderful thing in a mystery such as this. the blame game is a long way from even being credibly started. my heart goes out to malaysian authoriti

authorities. not to mention the family and friends of crew and passengers. this has been a tragedy, come from nowhere. who would have anticipated anything like this, an aircraft going off the rradar? now we believe it's far from where it's supposed to be. in one of the most outrageously remote parts of the planet. >> you're working hard to spot this debris. are you confident this effort will find the debris at some point? do you think there's a chance that we will never find this plane even if it landed in the indian ocean? >> again, it's difficult to speculate. we take every bit of information that comes in, being shared by many nations to try and refine the search area. but there's always a possibility actually we might not find something next week or the week after. i think eventually something will come to light. it's going to take time. >> time and patience is something very difficult in

trying times when you know they have a limited number of hours left on that black box. gentleman, i really appreciate your time. everyone is hoping and waiting with you. thank you very much. >> they have a huge task ahead of them. it ramps back up tomorrow as with the good news, the weather is improving out there in the search area. they believe they'll be able to get the airplanes back in the air. they're going to do it in a big way. they're expecting as many as 12 aircraft, the most so far to make it over the search area. tomorrow, the big ships are moving back into the area. still, they have not been able to spot, reach that debris and identify it that was spotted by the australian search crew this week. they still have a huge task ahead of them. that continues and ramps up tomorrow. we'll continue to cover from perth, australia. let's get back to christine romans in new york for five things you need to know. number one, officials

narrowing the search sight for flight 370 saying an analysis shows it went down in the southern corridor of the indian ocean. the search is suspended today for rough weather. they're actively searching for survivors of a mudslide near seattle. it will outlook is grim. 14 people have died, 176 are still unaccounted for. president barack obama wrapping up meetings with other world leaders in the netherlands. he heads to brussels, second stop on the trip this week. rgets it's day 15 of the oscar mi pistorius murderer trial. new jersey governor chris christie holding a town hall expected to discuss plans for a second round of federal relief funds for victims of super storm sandy. we're always updating the five things you need to know.

go to cnn.com for the latest. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. the flight 370 has put the malaysian government under intense scrutiny. many saying they're withholding information. is this criticism fair? we'll discuss that coming up. (dad) well, we've been thinking about it and we're just not sure.

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mr. speaker back to "new day." the investigation into if disappearance of 370 placed malaysia under intense and unusu unusual unusual scrutiny. monday the decision for authorities to inform family members that no one likely survived the flight via text message, that brought a new wave of criticism. joining us to talk more about the way they've handled the situation, peter, along with cnn aviation analyst and former dot inspector, mary schiavo.

>> we saw that video of the missing family members, the family members of the missing people marching and protesting in beijing. do you think this is just frustration from the people boiling over. people that desperately need and want answers or do you believe there's negligence on the part of the malaysians? >> well, i think the malaysians simply didn't understand their role to provide information to the families. given that they haven't dealt with this kind of accident before, they probably didn't realize the families hang on every piece of information. everything is so important. in this era of instant news and instant communications and anything you want to find you can find on the internet, the model that most nations use or some nations i should say use, is the ntsb model where they establish from the get go, daily

and twice daily briefings. they bring families in, have a private room for families and lay out what they have and don't have. they don't sugar coat it and don't draw conclusions >> they say this is what we know. that's the way to do it. families can draw their own conclusions. they're smart, intelligent people. they're not mentally ill, they're grieving. even from lawyers, that's what they want from us. they say tell us everything. don't sugar coat it. >> we should point out the families that received this text message that a lot of people are making noise about, they had to opt into receiving that text message. i think it's fair to acknowledge the malaysians wanted to let them know before the press conference and the news went public around the world. what do you make of the text message? is it this a bad step, misstep in your estimation? >> that was a misstep. it was a text message to call them to the meeting. to contain information like

that -- i've seen worse mistakes. i've seen remains sent home in the mail. i've seen worse, so hopefully they won't continue to make mistakes. >> what a horrifying notion. peter, let's bring you in. we know that majority of the passengers a board the flight were chinese. chinese have been particularly critical of the malaysian government. we've seen chinese families protesting et cetera. give us idea and understanding into the relationship, that the two countries had, malaysia and china. >> interesting dynamic. china is the regional power in all of southeast asia and has been increasingly asserting itself. also you have to remember that i think about 30% of the malaysian population are ethnic chinese. they're a successful population, that's been politically disdid criminal nighted against in malaysia. there's been history going back to 60s of violence between the

malaysians and chinese. you have to wonder what happened if a plane flying with mostly americans on it with america being the dominant area in this region. you can imagine the analogy of what it's like for china. >> that gives excellent context there. we know one of the things experts are saying is we need this information. why haven't we heard communications between the pilots and air data control? we've heard a lot to conclude the flight ended in the southern indian ocean. why do you think the lack of transparency -- there's been as much lack of transparency? >> i think it's a different in the governments and culture. here's we're use to it. there would be freedom of information act requests. the traffic control tapes are

available for anyone to get through public requests and the ntsb releases them right away. the flight cockpit voice recorder information as well the flight data recorder information is released. we do not release the verbal words of the cockpit voice recording except in the closed session in court. the transcript is released right away. >> it is released right away. >> it is. >> we know that mistake, peter, were made. we covered intensity here the fact there were two people on board the plane that had stolen passports. we also know there was a mix up or wrong direction information sent from the military radar, the malaysians said they picked up the unidentified aircraft. the watch a team didn't track it and sent the malaysians searching in the eastern area. how much of the proceed withholding information has been about face saving? there's been some made of that.

>> malaysia is a country although partially democratic doesn't have a particularly free press. it doesn't have a culture in which the government has had to be responsive to the public's need to know as in other places. i think here you're seeing the consequences of that inclination towards secrecy. it can be a veil for incompetence. as mary was saying, it's transparently i think that's the best way of holding officials to account and there wasn't always transparency here. that may be what led to mistakes. >> that's only fuelling the anger i'm sure on part of the families. if they feel that -- in lack of information, your imagination feels in the blanks. >> this is a brutal experience even if you feel they're honest with information. if you feel like you don't know what's going on you feel there were opportunities to save your loved ones that weren't taken. >> to add to that, they haven't

found the wreckage making that grief unbearable, i would say they may not. >> peter, mary, pleasure to have you with us. thanks so much. next up on "new day," a look at satellite tracking technology. what it tells us about the malaysian jet path and how it went down or ended somewhere in the current search area. tom foreman in the virtual room lays it out for us. you have time to shop for car insurance today? yeah. i heard about progressive's "name your price" tool? i guess you can tell them how much you want to pay and it gives you a range of options to choose from. huh? i'm looking at it right now. oh, yeah? yeah. what's the... guest room situation? the "name your price" tool, making the world a little more progressive.

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. mr. speaker back to "new da day". welcome back to "new day." at least 14 have died in the mudslide in washington state. rescuers are searching for survivors. the outlook is grim. mr. pendington, thank you so much. i hope you can give us an idea about this number. it shocked a lot of people. 176 people remain unaccounted for. can you explain to us? >> reporter: sure. let's actually start with -- i think the number of structures impacted. that number is now 49 structures impacted or destroyed. the number 176 is the amount of reports of individuals that have been reported in various channels to, unaccounted or missing individuals. why that's an important number and why i think it's artificially high is because there are duplications.

a good example is we would get a report of john smith at 123 steel head lane with brown hair and brown eyes. then we get a report of someone john 58 years of age. it turns out these are the same individuals. that's the number of reports we're dealing with. >> give us an idea of conditions of people. we flow there's seriously injured people in the hospital now. can you give us an update on their condition? >> reporter: i'm not able to actually do that. that's outside my preview i can't tell you conditions in general now. we're in the middle of response mode and turning towards recovery unfortunately to the grieving community. more than anything else, the debris out there, the debris field is huge and very challenging for first responder community. it goes on constantly 24/7. >> give us an idea of what rescuers are up against. we know conditions are

concerning. >> reporter: i'm sorry. please repeat the question. >> could you give us an idea of what people conducting search and rescue operations are up against? >> reporter: yeah, great question. tremendous challenges. the best way for me -- the best analogy i think is a micro cause of mount st. helen. anywhere from seven to ten feet upwards of 29-30 feet. unknown. that's the risk the first responders face. there's also the delicate nature of trying to respond and potentially recover fatalities in the delicate nature of going in removing debris to do that in a respectful manner. the terrain itself is challenging. the uncertainties are still out there. for practical purposes, this is a very wet area, dramatically wet area. >> is the ground unstable? are you concerned about further

slides? >> reporter: the geologists have made us feel comfortable it is not unstable. the mud flow, basic debris on the floor is not going anywhere. it's in the process of compacting. we had concerns yesterday of additional mudslides. those were reconciled. we feel comfortable there's no water issues downstream which is a primary threat we felt in the beginning stages of the disaster. >> mr. pennington, with regard to the stability of the land, i understand in 1999 and earlier than that, there were concerns about that area. in 1999 the army corps of engineers warned of a large catastrophic failure. you said this was unseen and came out of nowhere. with all do respect, sir, how can that be? >> reporter: well, i've not seen that study.

in 2006 this blew out and was mitigated heavily. it was a community that knew it was a safer community at that point. we can't go into that. we're in response operations. there's lots of time to criticize and analyze. i saw a story this morning but haven't had the chance to look at it. in 2006 the blow out is well documented. there were mitigation done. the community felt comfortable. >> you're right the community will want answers. the questions will come later. the time now is to focus on rescue. we wish you great fortune in doing that. i know there are families a waiting words of their loved ones. thank you for joining us. >> appreciate it. >> so many waiting to get some kind of word. >> imagine that anxiety. we're going to move back to the search for flight 370 now more focused but on hold until tomorrow because of weather. malaysian officials say new

evidence shows the plane ended in the southern tip of the southern corridor. why is this search area still so large? tom foreman is live in washington d.c. with more on the search and satellite data used now to track that flight. >> i can't say enough about the satellite mathematical detective work that led to this area. it was an extraordinary effort here. basically by taking this data they created the ark we talked about where it had to be. then they started breaking it down looking at the doppler effect in the micro transmissions between the satellite, 22,000 miles above the earth and the airplane down below. by studying that they created these rings. we've been going over this. those rings gave a sense of where the plane was at any given moment. they created that line. this is really a ground breaking way of applying that satellite

data. it's basic mathematics applied in an interesting way. here's the problem. when you get to the end of it here, the point you know the plane has to be somewhere in that area if all this is correct, then you find yourself saying, why is the area still so big? it's around 621 square miles still or five times as big as the air france search area. and there are different paths considered there. let's explain why there's a difference there. i'm going to leave that up for a moment and show you a model of the plane itself and talk about really what is different about this. if you look at the plane, you have to consider first of all the, they don't really know what speed it was traveling. think about this. for something going 400-500 miles per hour, if you're off by ten minutes that's a huge difference in terms of where it winds up. they don't really know. speed is a factor. that speed, if you look at the map back here, the difference in the map is the yellow line would

tell you if it was going faster. the red line if it was going slower. you can see a gigantic divergence based on speed. they don't really know about the altitude. there's been many debates about this. if it was higher altitude in the stratosphere it will travel faster and further on the same amount of fuel, lower where we all live, there's more resistance. it won't go nearly as far. there's the question of fuel depletion. there's always talk about the amount of fuel. we talk about it like gas in our car. we say we have an hour left of fuel. it doesn't work that way. how fast are you going? how much air resistance are you dealing with? what other factors like head winds that changes the way the fuel performs. they don't know when the fuel would run out or if it would run

out perfectly or sputter at the end. if it sputters along, every minute widens your space. there's one more thing to bear in mind in all this, the glide. the airplanes like this have enormous gliding potential. you don't think it would go far. this can glide from los angeles to las vegas well over 200 miles. they don't know if that happens. a plane like this could run out of fuel and quickly go down or drift for a long, long time. the bottom line is this is the puzzle of the plane. that's why the search area remains hundreds of square miles, hundreds of thousands of square mile, even though they've narrowed down from the millions that it was a short time ago. >> the math tells you a lot but doesn't tell you everything. tom foreman inside the virtual room. >> it's like having two pieces of a puzzle you're trying to finish and you don't have the remaining pieces. that's so tricky. coming up next, a teenager

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what do you say about good stuff today? the 14-year-old spotted a car parked in the fire lane. she said i'm doing something about this. not phased about what made the vehicle stand apart from the rest. she wrote a ticket and placed it on the windshield. the illegally parked vehicle was a police cruiser. tommy king out patrolling the complex had to cough up $10 to the complex manager. >> i came to get my car and saw the piece of paper on my windshield. i took it off, read it and started laughing immediately. >> never let a teaching moment pass by to show not even a police officer is above the law, office per king paid the fine and threw in extra for annie. >> he gave me a $40 gift card to toys r us. >> what did you think about

that? >> i was really excited. >> that's community policing at its finest. the officer says the big lesson to learn is people should never be afraid or shy from law enforcement. >> $40 gift card. i thought she was going to get a night in the slammer. >> i love it. >> very, very cool. kate baldwin will continue her reporting on flight 370 from perth, australia on the search they hope resumes tomorrow. the flights have been suspended all day. right now we're going to "newsroom" with carol costello that starts now. >> have a great day. "newsroom" starts now. happening now in the "newsroom," breaking new developments in the search for flight 370. >> the search and rescue operation in the northern corridor has been called off.

>> to the south, winds, large waves, heavy rains shutting down operations. >> we're not searching for a needle in a haystack. we're trying to find the haystack. >> another kind of storm taking over beijing this morning. the malaysian embassy overrun. >> they are holding signs saying they want their sons and daughters back. >> frustrated and furious over the country's handling of the accident. >> they said no one is survive. no evidence. >> calls for the airline ceo to step down. >> families this morning demand proof, evidence of the crash. special edition of "newsroom" starts now. good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me this morning. grief and an her boil over in