nsa is getting out of the business of collecting that data, at least after congress passes legislation making it final. that's the next step in this process. >> i will watch it together with you. jim acosta joining us from near the hague. thanks very much. i'll be back 5:00 p.m. eastern. another special two-hour edition of "the situation room." "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. >> mr. blitzer, thank you, as always. great to be with you on this tuesday. i'm brooke baldwin. malaysia says all lives lost. the families of flight 370 say that's a lie. hundreds of family members and friends stormed the malaysian embassy in beijing today. some calling malaysian officials murderers. families clashing with police here. they walked to the embassy, refusing to believe without proof that this plane ended up somewhere in the southern indian

ocean. malaysia, though, is so confident in this new radar data that it's called off the search in the northern corridor. the malaysians have all of their confidence pinned on this bri british company inmarsat which said it tracked the plane into this corridor with handshakes or pings. adding to the credibility of this data, it has been verified by space agency experts and by boeing itself. as for the hunt for this plane, it will start up again soon if weather permits the search had to be suspended because of conditions in this part of the world have been pretty unforgiving or even more dangerous than usual. >> this has been a tragedy. it has come from nowhere. who would have anticipated anything like this? an aircraft just going off the radar. >> and now we believe it's about 3,500 kilometers away from where

it should be. i mean, there is just nothing down there. >> it's already wednesday where you are. how is it looking for today? >> reporter: well, so far, so good. planes are due to take off about four hours from now from pierce air base. we have six countries, 12 aircraft involved in the search just from this air base. they have to fly 1,500 miles out over the southern indian ocean and the conditions are very treacherous. you're talking about waves that can get to be several stories high. clear visibility one minute and almost zero visibility the next. so very, very complicated for those aircraft trying to get a visual look at possible debris spotted by three different satellites from three different countries. and also, we're talking about a massive search area. the size of mexico or two and a

half times the size of texas. australian authorities are talking about trying to narrow that search area down. >> we're not searching for a needle in a haystack. we're still trying to find where the haystack is. so that's just putting it in context. a multi-national effort going on. it is difficult for them to in these weather conditions be able to find small bits of debris that is washing around in the southern indian ocean at the moment. >> reporter: everybody here is really hoping that flights can go as scheduled today. bad weather really dealt quite a blow and time is of the essence as you know. >> of course. so as we talk about finding the haystack, let's talk about this toad pinger locater, tpl. we know that that's what they need to detect the pings from the boxes. that actually arrive where is you are in perth today. but from what i have gathered,

from what i've gathered, will, it won't actually get to the search area in the ocean until the fifth of april. why so long? >> reporter: absolutely right. absolutely right. a week and a half from now. here's the deal. it arrived overnight, as you mentioned. this is a great piece of technology provided by the u.s. navy that can go down 20,000 feet and listen for the ping that's being sent out by the cockpit voice recorder and inflight data recorder. here's the problem -- those recorders have a battery life. if you were talking about your cell phone, the battery is only about 30% right now, getting close to that red zone, when your phone starts saying you don't have much time left. these data recorders don't have much time left. they could run out as soon as april 8th, giving authorities just three days to use that technology, certainly not enough time considering the size of this area, perhaps the battery could go a little bit longer, maybe a week. but really, brooke, that's a big issue that we're facing right now. >> okay, we thank you so much. let's stay on this topic of the

tpl. it's not necessary yet, but when it is called for, all eyes and ears will be focused on this. this dragon fly looking mechanism. this is the tpl 25. this is the piece of machinery that is absolutely crucial in finding the thing that could answer why flight 370 went down. the flight data recorder, or the black box. tpl stands for toad pinger locater, and the ship does exactly that, too. it tows it along at really slow speeds as it's listening for the clicks, those pings from the black box. we talk so much about pings. this is the noise this tpl is listening for. >> okay, so you get that. those are the clicks it's listening for. we just talked to will ripley in

perth. he said this tpl arrived overnight. my next guest has used an earlier version of this tpl 25 back in 1996. she is a retired navy captain and navy diver. bobbie, thank you so much for joining me, because i need your expertise as we're all learning about these mechanisms together here. first, we keep hearing this analogy of a needle in a haystack, and in order to find the needle, you have to figure out where the haystack is. but they don't even definitively have plane debris. so can you even use the tpl without plane debris? >> no, you can't. we have to really pin down where we want to deploy the tpl before we even put it in the water. this system is designed to be flown to a location, like we have right now. we've flown it to perth. it's waiting there with all the

systems that it needs to be utilized, which would be the cable and the crane that would put on the ship, and allow you to tow it behind any ship of opportunity. and i understand they already have a ship designated that they would place it on. and then that ship needs to go from perth out to the search area, which will take a little bit of time to get out to where we want it to. so we need to still find the debris and then backtrack that debris to where we think the aircraft has entered the water before we ever put this tpl in the water, because as you said, you tow this twice at very slow speeds, about one to five knots. and you also have to tow it in weather conditions much less than what we're seeing out there right now. >> there are so many ifs to this whole scenario. but for the families' sake, let's hope they find the pieces

of the plane debris so they can deploy this tpl. here's my next question. we talked so much about this part of the world and the indian ocean several miles deep. i had an oceanographer talk about the highly technical term, the ooze on the ocean floor. so i can only imagine as this black box is made of aluminum, it could be under ooze, which would make the ping even fainter, correct? >> yes. in most cases, the ping can still be heard, but in some cases, the pinger has been destroyed in the crash. i believe that happened in the air france case, the pinger was destroyed and they did not pick up a ping. so they use this very technology, the toad pinger locater and did not hear a ping. so then we go to plan b, which they have already done in this case. they sent along another censor,

which in this case, the blue fin 21, which is an autonomous underwater vehicle. and this, then, is going to use sonar technology, not listening for a ping, in case either the battery has worn out or the ping is no longer able to transmit and we can't hear it. so then we use the sonar technology to try to find the aircraft debris on the bottom. so we have that capabilitcapabi. >> they have to find the haystack first, so hopefully conditions will be great for them to get out today, being wednesday in australia, and find this debris and link it to the plane and deploy what they need to. thank you so much. i really appreciate you coming on. let me take you now to some pictures, because this is what we're watching here, live pictures from our houston affiliate kprc. what you're looking at is not exactly right now, because -- there we go. this is a massive fire. this is burning in a residential

building. it's under construction. this is houston. massive flames here. clearly out of control. we're told you can see smoke from miles and miles away. we're making phone calls as of this moment here as we're watching this very closely. no reports yet of injuries. the building was vacant. but that intersection, as you can imagine here this part of houston absolutely shut down. no one's getting anywhere near. look at this. the camera from this helicopter zooms out, you can really see how massive this fire is, three alarm fire. under construction, part of this whole thing. as soon as we get more information in houston on this massive fire, of course, we'll bring it to you live here on cnn. coming up here, you know this, time is running out for crews to hear the pings we keep talking about from these signals under water. we'll talk about the limitations of the black box. also ahead, it is now revealed exactly how much money these families are getting from the airline, and as they wait,

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malaysia is saying it sent its final signal at 8:19 on the morning of march 8th. the signal that was sent some eight minutes later at 11:00 was not the last signal after all. you're asking, what is a partial signal? answer, they're not saying. but, malaysia's defense minister suggested today at this news

conference that the plane ran out of fuel sometime after 8:20 and before 9:15 that morning when the next signal was scheduled. welcome to both of you. and david, if i can, i'd like to begin with you, because i have been doing a lot of reading both about these two box, the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder. something that i hadn't realized is that specifically with the cockpit voice recorder, it continually records over itself, so if and when rescuers finally find this thing to hear about the traffic between pilots, it will only be the last two hours. >> well, that's true of the cockpit voice recorder, but not of the flight data recorder. the flight data recorder would have at least 27 to 30 hours of data, including 17,000 separate bits of information about what the aircraft is doing. but remember, that even if we don't get the cockpit voice

recorder, even if it's only that two hours, it would yield a lot of information about what was going on in that cockpit. was there no one there? were they there? you could hear talking if there was still talking right up to the last minute versus an empty cockpit with no voices at all. >> and then we keep talking about listening for the pings. we keep talking about the pings. with the black box or the flight data recorder that really holds the key to the answers as far as what happened on the plane, and the cockpit voice recorder, are those separate pings? they're listening for two sets of pings. >> that's correct. there's two different boxes entirely. one keeps track of just the voices and the other keeps track of the data. and yeah, there are two of them. but either of the pingers are 30-day pingers. they have 30-day batteries on them. >> okay. phaedra, we know that the pilot and the co-pilot, the pilot logged some 18,000 flying miles. so he was very, very experienced. this co-pilot, 27 years of age.

pretty fresh out of flight school. and i'm just curious, as a pilot asking you in an emergency situation, if we don't know what kind of emergency happened onboard this particular plane, would you rather have someone who was a little more veteran, a little more experienced or younger and fresh out of school and fresh with procedure? >> this sounds like a trick question. >> not a trick question. >> i think everybody would go for the more experienced pilot. i think everybody would vote for the more experienced pilot. but actually, all airlines have safety procedure training. each aircraft has its own procedure for a crew, so this procedure isn't built for one pilot. the crew has a hand in it. each emergency activity has its own procedure list. and so pilots and co-pilots, no matter what they're training, they have trained extensively for this. there are checklists that need to be run through and these simulations are practiced in-flight simulators. just because a co-pilot doesn't

have a lot of experience, that co-pilot is definitely confident enough and competent to handle an emergency procedure because of that extensive training. >> david, do you agree? >> oh yeah, absolutely. in fact, there's been some studies about the combined cockpit, where we talk a lot about crew resource management. and is it better to have two experienced pilots that rely on their institutionalized thinking or someone new. it really comes down to the red box checklists, the things that are committed to memory and those that are just out of training would be more recent, better recall of those red box lists than would a senior captain. so i think it was a good combination of the skills and experience in that cockpit. >> okay. thank you both very, very much. coming up, back to the families. because as the families' anger boils over, we are now learning exactly how much money the airline is giving them during this waiting period. so i'll ask an aviation attorney whether this dollar figure is actually enough.

plus, here at home, dramatic new pictures. look at this. 4-year-old little boy being rescued from that deadly landslide in washington state. this as crews hunt for survivors with more than 170 people still unaccounted for. bill weir is standing by live. he's next. in the nation, it's not always pretty.

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and there have been some pretty amazing stories of rescues like this one, this little 4-year-old boy found trapped beneath the muddy rubble. >> so they brought him to us in the balance. i took all his clothes off because he was freezing, wrapped him up and told him i was a grandma and couldn't find the rest of his family. >> just to give you a better sense of how devastating this is, you see on your screen, this is what it looked like before. on the left-hand side. and that is what has happened after. cnn's bill weir is live for us in darington, washington. how is that search going here? just awful hearing these stories. >> reporter: it's really disheartening. i can't even tell you. it's being described they're finding some of the victims of this. one description is like they've been in a rock tumbler, or it's a war zone. sheer force of that mountain

falling, pushing across a town, across a river, across the highway. it's incredible. but let me take you here -- this is the iga grocery store. the information board is what people are trying to get information. this is where we met aaron bright. he was searching the pile. you were looking for your cousin. >> yes, i'm looking for summer brennan. >> reporter: she was in a car, on the phone with her mother when the slide happened saturday morning. >> yes, sir. she was in a blue -- like a teal blue subaru wrs. >> reporter: and you and your cousins went up there on sunday against the wishes of the authorities here to try to do some digging. >> the authorities weren't out there. nobody was out there that was with us us, state or government agencies. we just had to rally as many people as we could, civilians and get us out there to try and search for our loved ones. >> reporter: show me on this map right here exactly what we're

talking about. this is the part of the mountain that is now a cliff essentially. >> this is part of the mountain that is gone. all of this, it came down the valley, redirected itself and came downright here. all of this is all under water. but our team right here, this is where we started finding all of the bodies, right here. >> and you were trying to describe to me just the sheer physical force. it was as if this entire neighborhood was shoved into a corner, so the tension on those trees is there. >> it's insane. when we were chopping some of the trees, i tried to help one guy with a chain saw because when he started chopping, it started to build pressure. i didn't even realize the pressure that was built until he hit the other side and the big part snapped over and almost hit my cousin tammy. the hand was sticking up out of

the ground. >> reporter: i can't imagine the emotional toll this is going to take on you going forward. but are you hopeful that your cousin somehow is in that car, somehow has enough air? >> i pray to god that she has the air to survive. but i don't think any vehicle holds enough air to survive for four or five days. and that's how long it's going to take before they can even get to some of the cars. there's a jeep liberty upside down up there, right about here. and there's a 34-foot motor home that has 34 feet and now we can touch the wheelbase. it's crumpled, like somebody crumpled a ball of paper. >> i'm so sorry for your pain. i hope you can find some peace in all of this at some point. >> i'm more worried about my aunt lydia and my cousins over here that are out there.

you don't ever want to see what happens to a mother in a catastrophe like this. her emotional pain is so great. that she just can't see really right now because she doesn't know. >> reporter: that's the hardest part, not knowing. >> that's the hardest part, is not knowing. i wasn't able to get closure yesterday when i went out searching for summer. the gps shut off when she was coming through and went on this side and she was somewhere right in this area. so i don't understand how we didn't find her. we dug every bit of the perimeter. we searched the full perimeter.

with the limited amount of bodies that we had out there to do searching, we only had -- we had enough to cover one square mile in limited form. >> you think the authorities are now doing everything they can? are you satisfied with the effort now? >> no, because the effort -- if we had a better first response for natural disasters like this, especially in the state of washington, but -- >> reporter: but this is unlike anything anybody's ever seen. >> yeah. eight or nine years ago when that mountain gave way, it was just a small slide and it was on a much smaller scale and nobody died. that's why it wasn't anything serious. >> people rebuilt. thought this is a beautiful spot, why leave? >> yeah. and i don't know if you have the record on it, but they said that there was a 1.1 or 1.2

earthquake up here before this dropped. >> reporter: i know it did read on seismographs like seven miles away. they say it wasn't seismic activity, but regardless, it's such a tragedy. i'm so sorry. >> i just want to help all of the families that are involved. and the kids that were out there digging up their parents yesterday. that was the most hardest thing that i've ever seen, having to watch kids dig up their parents. >> reporter: that's unbelievable. our hearts are with you. thank you very much. >> i really appreciate it. >> reporter: so, brooke, this is what you're dealing with. this is the reality of a guy who was on that pile for the last couple of days, and things he can never unsee. the thing he wanted to see the most, his cousin, she's still up there somewhere. >> there is nothing more i can say after hearing him talking about kids digging up their parents. bill weir, thank you so much. let's just take a quick break. be right back.

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just past the bottom of the hour, i'm brooke baldwin. this frantic search for flight 370 has now been narrowed. it's a huge reduction, all because of one satellite company, inmarsat. >> if you look at the plots that we have using a recent adjusted techniques, we can say the most likely route is the south and the most likely ending is in roughly the area where they're looking now. >> so as you watch this here, they say they tracked the plane here, down the southern arc, and apparently after a turn, into

the indian ocean. now, the data alone, enough to convince malaysia that all lives were lost. but without any wreckage found, without any physical proof, the question remains, how can they be so sure? and so, the hunt continues. planes and ships about to head out again shortly, 2:30 in the morning there in perth, australia, after galeforce winds, torrential rain stalled the search. all of this while the clock ticks. and the batteries in the plane's black box is dying just a little bit more as each second passes. listening ultimately for those pings. the u.s. navy now sending in a locater to help find that sound. the uncertainty, though, becoming just too much for the families of those onboard flight 370. many just refused to accept that all are lost. unless they see some concrete evidence. in beijing, hundreds of friends and family members march to the

malaysian embassy. pauline chu was there as grief and anger boiled over. >> this morning, outrage and fury as relatives face off with police outside the malaysian embassy in beijing. over 300 chinese friends and family members of flight 370 protesting. >> from the beginning, they just hide everything. and i don't think that this kind of government, a liar and even a murderer, can solve anything. >> reporter: following the dire announcement by malaysia's prime minister. >> flight mh-370 ended in the southern indian ocean. >> reporter: frustrated by malaysia's handling of the incident, they descend upon the embassy on foot, marching over two miles after police prevented them from taking buses and blocked the embassy once they arrived. furious and skeptical of malaysia's investigation, some chinese family members release a statement reading in part, "the

malaysian government and the malaysian military continue putting off, holding back, and covering up the truth of the incident, as well as trying to deceive the families of passengers and people of the entire world. >> i want to see some debris off the aircraft and the black box to know exactly what happened, because there are too many unanswered questions. >> reporter: because of the questions that still remain, some chinese families say they're now willing to go to kuala lumpur in order to confront the officials there at the highest level. and now china's president has sent his deputy foreign minister to malaysia to put pressure on the government there. >> pauline, thank you. as this frustration and anger from the families boils over, we are now learning the airline is giving the families $5,000. 5,000 bucks during this waiting period. so let's talk to an aviation attorney and ask whether that is enough, next. those little things still get you.

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and b, how do these payouts typically work? >> well, there's no amount of money, $5,000 isn't enough. but no amount of money is sufficient for a person's life. what these families need now are answers. they need truth. they need the actual raw data so they're not being tortured with the inconsistencies that keeps coming from the malaysian government. and the malaysian government is working with boeing because they need boeing. this is very similar to an indonesian crash, subsidiary of singapore air that crashed years ago. the same thing happened with a lot of misinformation. boeing was intimately involved because the governments don't deal with these crashes. they give theories such as intentional misconduct and ultimately we proved in a court of law many years later, and i'm getting to the compensation now, in a u.s. court. we won and proved despite all these early theories about intentional misconduct that it was, in fact, a tail rutter power control unit that caused

that crash. >> so then -- >> and in that case, the jury awarded significant damages, far more than could ever be discussed by the insurers in this case. >> in this case, this is still the beginning. but we heard from the malaysian pm yesterday saying all lives lost. so we have officials declaring no survivors. these families want proof, so we don't have a crash site, no debris, no sign of any victims. so how does that affect compensation here? >> well, what would ultimately affect compensation, it will be presumed after a certain period of time. but again, the compensation will come over time. we'll be able to successfully pursue these claims. these are under the montreal convention for the airline. that will cover the carrier's liability. or support a case against boeing. either way, the families will get compensation. >> how much do you think? i mean, you're familiar with similar -- and again, this is unprecedented here. but how much? >> well, it really depends on

the jurisdiction. there are americans onboard, presumably they'll be entitled to an american forum. in the u.s. we have a jury system that compensates people very generously for loss. in different foreign jurisdicti jurisdictions, cases all over the world, they have different standards for compensation. we have had success even, for example, in brazil and in spain. the recovery systems there can mirror or even in some instances be greater than even in the united states. so, again, that's going to come over time. it will depend whether you're going to be governed by the treaty, which is malaysian airlines, the liability will be governed, or whether it's a civil suit against manufacturers. in which case, you may have jurisdiction in the united states. >> as you pointed out, no amount of money will be enough. steven marks, thank you so much. we have much, much more coverage on this missing plane ahead, including a closer look -- we keep talk about the technology, trying to find the

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an entire community absolutely devastated by this weekend's deadly mudslide in rural washington is anxious. anxious to hear from loved ones who have been reported missing or unaccounted for. officials say the number stands at 176 people. now we're hearing from this 911 audio just released, gives us some idea of just the sheer panic that swept through this area as the slide hit. >> i got a big emergency. there is a house, a big slide, and it is covering the road. >> my neighbor's house and their neighbor's house has been completely taken out. and it's collapsed on several of them. and they're trapped. >> do you know that they're inside the house still? >> yes, i'm standing in the location right now and i can hear them underneath and yelling at us. >> one of those unaccounted for is a 52-year-old plumber by the

name of steve. a loving grandfather who went out on a service call. so joining me by phone from marysville, washington, is his daughter-in-law jessica neal. jessica, i cannot begin to imagine how tough these last couple of days have been for you. can i just begin with how are you and how is your husband, as this is his father? >> we're hanging in there. we're holding on to hope. we have no reason to believe otherwise until we hear differently. so we're hanging in there. >> when is the last time you or your husband heard from your father-in-law? >> the last time but ourselves heard from him was friday, before. >> and when did you realize he is one of the 176 unaccounted for? >> that came pretty quickly, when we heard about the slide, when we started calling around. and we didn't get a response and

we found out he was in the area. >> what have these last couple of days been like for you? >> they're surreal. they're hard. it's difficult at times. but it's been overwhelming support from our communities. and of course, the family is here together. >> i hear, jessica, you are helping hold down the fort back home where you are. but in talking to folks in washington state, i know obviously there are rescue teams trying to find these people. but also family members with their own bare hands trying to find people in the mud and the muck. is anyone from your family there trying to help? >> no, not that i'm aware of, but our close friends and neighbors and everything are doing everything they can to find the people.

and we are so appreciative. i know my husband is working, gathering a relief effort and heading up there. so we are really thankful to everyone and all the companies and everyone that are helping us. >> continue holding out hope. thank you so much. we're thinking about you and all the families still wondering where their loved ones are. thank you for calling in. i appreciate it. >> thanks. coming up here on cnn, as crews hundred for flight 370, we will give you a live demonstration of the equipment being used. the equipment that would hear that first signal, that ping. stephanie elam is standing by on this boat. you're looking at live pictures from santa barbara, california. also ahead, 25 years after the exxon valdez oil spill, cnn's kyra phillips sits down with the captain for a rare interview. >> how much did you drink that day? >> three drinks. >> and you carried so much

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the ship channel in texas where more than 160,000 gallons of oil spilled s partially reopened now. about 100 ships have been stuck in the houston ship channel and they can now move around within it. but still, no ships can enter or exit. saturday a ship hit an oil barge, causing the spill that has killed ten birds, left more than a dozen others covered in oil. some local environmentalists told our houston tv affiliate

kprc that officials are underestimating exactly how many animals have been affected by this. no word on when the channel will fully reopen. and when you look at these pictures, the images of the oil birds in texas, what do you think of? you think of that environmental catastrophe that hit 25 years ago this week. the exxon valdez oil spill. it was back on march 24th, 1989, that oil tanker ran aground in alaska, spilling more than 11 million gallons of crude oil. 1,300 miles of shoreline were marred. thousands of birds, fish died. so did one industry, herring fishing. totally collapsed. and to this day, environmentalists say the oil is still polluting the area. tonight, in a cnn special report, you will hear from the man in charge when the exxon valdez hit ground. its captain in this rare and quite candid interview, captain

joseph hazelwood talks to cnn's kyra phillips about the burden he has carried for decades. here's a clip of their interview. >> march 24th, 1989. captain joseph hazelwood's emergency call to the coast guard. >> what's it like to hear that 25 years later? >> it's still pretty gut-wrenching. >> captain hazelwood has maintained a stoic silence for years. rarely talking about the details of that night. >> why did you decide to talk to me? >> well, just to show that i'm a human being. i think i probably just wanted to be heard.

>> a thoughtful and private man, accustomed to a solitary life at sea, hazelwood flies home to find his picture on the front page of "the new york times." >> what were you thinking at that moment? >> it's going to really suck. >> captain, is there anything you'd like to say to us at all? >> when word got out that the captain of the exxon valdez had been drinking that day, the target was on his back. >> how much did you drink that day? >> three drinks. >> and you carried so much responsibility, a crew, millions of gallons of oil. why have even one drink? why take that risk? >> i didn't think it was a risk. i thought i was drinking moderately. >> we're all extremely disappointed and outraged that an officer of such a critical position would have jeopardized

the ship, crew, and the environment. >> exxon fired him by telegram. >> if you could rewrite history, would you have had a drink that day? >> the only thing i would have changed, if i could rewrite the whole script, i wouldn't have left the bridge. that's what i should be faulted for, nothing else. >> not the drinking? >> it had nothing to do with it. >> all these years later, he sat down with you to talk about this. >> it's pretty intense. >> seems luke it. and very candid. when you ask him about the drinking, was he drunk that night? >> he says absolutely night. and the jury found that he wasn't impaired that night. but when reporters revealed he had two drunk driving

convictions, that he had been through rehab, the target was on his back and he has carried that burden for 25 years. and you'll see tonight in this documentary, that wasn't the only issue that took this story to a whole other level. there were so many mistakes made that night. and we reveal those, we talk about those and we talk about the changes as well, and also how hazelwood is doing now, as you can see, carries a pretty heavy burden. >> we'll be watching tonight, oil and water, the wreck of the exxon valdez, 10:00 eastern right here on cnn. kyra phillips, thank you very much. and we continue on, top of the hour. i'm brooke baldwin. and soon, planes and ships will be scrambling to get back to the narrowed search area off the west coast of australia. a precious day has been lost because. the conditions, the gail force winds, the torrential rains over the hostile seas. >> we're not searching for a needle in a haystack.

we're still trying to find where the haystack is. so that's just to put it in context. you're seeing a multi-national effort going on. it is difficult in these weather conditions to be able to find small bits of debris that is washing around in the southern indian ocean at the moment. >> and for the families, you've seen the pictures. the search itself has never been more painful. we heard from malaysia, the prime minister, all lives lost. so the families of flight 370 say that is a lie, and some are calling malaysian officials murderers. and this here, families clashing with police. banned from buses. they walked to the malaysian embassy, refusing to believe without proof, without pieces of the plane, they refuse to believe that the plane ended up

in the southern indian ocean. malaysia, though, is so sure of this that it's called off the search in the northern corridor. the malaysians have all their confidence pinned on this british company inmarsat, which says it tracked that plane into the southern corridor with six handshakes, or pings. cnn has also learned, it's been verified by space agency experts and by boeing itself. if searchers can figure out where this plane went down, recovery teams will be using the super sensitive listening device, it's called a hydrophone, to try to locate all of those crucial data recorders. that will let them know what happened onboard this plane. so, here she is. stephanie elam is joining me from santa barbara out on a boat, giving us this really pretty incredible firsthand look as far as how this technology works. so, show me. >> yeah. it's true, brooke. it's really amazing. when you think about the indian ocean, the south indian ocean, you're talking about a massive

body of water. so what we wanted to find out exactly, what's the difference between a hydrophone and a sonar? i'll introduce you to our new talent resident pundit here. this is james coleman. he's a senior hydrogapher. he's going to tell us how a hydrophone works first. there are different kinds of them, right, james? >> exactly. this is a hydrophone. they're both varieties. it's simply a microphone for use under water. so just like the sound would enter the wet end here. but the difference between a microphone and a hydrophone, one of them, is that there's a pressurized housing that will allow this thing to go down to the bottom of the ocean. so you put these things on systems, tow them behind the ship and get them down deep so they can hear that sound coming from the pinger. >> the ping is going off once every second. it's listening to it on a certain frequency, correct? >> exactly. it's between 30 and 40 kilohertz. it travels very far in the

ocean. you use a hydrophone just like you would a microphone to be able to listen to it under water. >> this has to be how close to that ping? >> about five miles. >> so that's a widespread area you're talking about. so that's the hydrophone. this is what you start with when you still have the ping for a few more days. the other option is the sonar, what they would go to second. and these are two options that are sonar examples. >> right. the hydro is listening for the ping. this going to emit sound that's going to reflect off the sea floor. going to use it to form images of what's on the bottom so that we can create a map of what's down on the ocean floor. >> reporter: and tell that there is some real debris down there. so this narrows it down. now that we know what the technology in the water looks like, let's see what it looks like on the boat and see what you're able to get as you do this and how this technology works.

so starting with what you're getting from the hydrophone. >> right. and so the hydrophone, you could just put a headset on and listen to the hydrophone and listen to the ping, but you also have a visual display, where you're looking at the actual sound coming out of the ocean. so this is ocean sound here. and there's some noise source in this particular part of the frequency. but if you were there with the pinger, you see a really sharp spike at the spot where the pinger is. so once you got within that five miles of it, you'd have a visual display. >> a visual of it. and so you've got that, and it works in tandem. the sonar is actually showing us sort of the map of the bottom of the water. >> right. the sonar is mapping out the sea floor below the vessel. as you build that up, you generate a map of the targets and objects on the sea floor. if this was a wreck site, we'd be able to pick up the different pieces of the wreck and generate an actual 3-d map of what's on the sea floor. but you have to get it down near

the bottom of the ocean. so if you're in the southern indian ocean, you have to get censors like this all the way down near the bottom of the ocean to generate a high resolution map. >> reporter: in this case, how deep are we? >> we're in 40 feet of water right now and we're map prosecuting the veing from the vessel. you have to get this much further down. >> reporter: and you can't do it fast. you're talking about going through miles and miles of sea floor. >> you have to build this map up. it's very complex to get it down near the bottom of the ocean. you have to cover small areas that you build up over time. >> reporter: and that's how they're able to tell if it may be foreign to there or if it could be maybe a part of an airplane. so this is generally probably how they're looking for it, just very slowly in the southern indian ocean. >> yes, the sonar works quite slow. if it's down there, you'll be able to map what's out there and

capture the debris field. >> this is a pipeline in the harbor of santa barbara. so you can see what's underneath you, if it's something you need to go down and investigate. some pretty amazing technology. >> it's incredible technology. we know you have to really find the debris field. the plane debris. they have to find the haystack, if you will, before finding the needle, before finding that black box. let me bring in jen tillman and richard quest. so, gentlemen, welcome. jim tillman, here's my first question to you. i read this opinion piece on cnn.com by robert goyer. he's been talking a lot on cnn. he wrote this whole hypothesis.

he writes about the 777 and how altitude is key. and concludes while it's horrific to imagine, a botched hijacking or failed pilot commandeering of the airplane are still the most likely scenarios. do you agree with that? >> i read his piece with great interest because i've had some confirms and skepticism about where we were going and -- >> oh, we losing him? >> we're figuring out your signal, because i can hear you intermittently, jim. richard quest, did you read this piece? what do you make of that notion? >> i did read it. the whole attitude is one that's been doing the rounds. could the plane have gone that far south if it wasn't at 35,000 feet.

i've had some pilots e-mail me saying the plane could have done a very long distance, 12,000 feet at a slower speed. i've actually looked at airline charts and fuel burn charts now. but the core point -- let's get away -- the core point of the article is a strong one. all the circumstantial evidence that we've heard so far points to somebody, what i call, the nefarious option. i can see on its face of it, the nefarious option, either by pilots or by hijackers does seem to be a very strong possibility. where i differ from others, and maybe even from the good captain, and we have discussed it before, where i disagree is i am not prepared to go beyond saying yes, it is one of the

options. but i do concede. it is now a very strong option. everything point s in that direction. i just don't want to say further. >> it's an interesting read from a pilot. i'll tweet it out for our viewers if you want to read this. we talked so much about the search in the southern indian ocean, jim tillman, and how ultimately what really holds all the secrets as far as what happened onboard the plane is the flight data recorder, the black box. so really they're listening for two different pings. there's a ping coming from the black box. what i didn't realize until reading further today that the communication in the cockpit, the cockpit voice recorder, it continually records over itself. so if they find it, it's only the last two hours of conversation, correct? >> that's correct. and i'm not altogether certain about how much power was available for the boxes to continue to function. it sounds like someone did something at some point to take the power away from these devices and if that's the case,

we have very limited information at best. but you're right, we only looked at the last few minutes or hours depending on what you're talking about. but even that would give us a lot of information. i don't want to down play that at all. i'm extremely anxious to hear what they have to say on those boxes. >> much has been discussed about the "all right, good night." that final communication from the co-pilot. western pilots saying that is the appropriate phraseology back to the ground. but i talked to one pilot specifically who said no, that culturally, malaysian pilots would not use that phrase. and he found it odd. where do you stand on that? >> i'm under no doubt about this. it doesn't tell us anything. i have listened to air traffic control where i've heard pilots just simply sign off because they're in a hurry or pissed off with air traffic control or they didn't get the altitude.

all right, good night. and frankly, i've also heard air traffic control demand that the pilot do a proper readback, 370 contacting 120, all right, good night. i've heard it both ways. you cannot just take this. since whoever said it -- we've been told it was the co-pilot. he didn't indicate the plane was on fire, a bomb had gone off, or there was some dreadful incident going on, we can i think realistically assume, that if mechanical option is the preferred choice, that nothing had happened by then, because that would be very odd to simply say all right, good night, and not say by the way, the wing's on fire. let's not read too much into the all right, good night. it was sloppy, but it was not unknown. coming up, we have to talk

about the families. the anxious, the frustration, the anger. they're saying it's all a lie that the lives are lost. so they're calling malaysians, the government, the airline murderers. see what happened when they stormed the malaysian embassy today. plus, how they're reacting to this $5,000 payout from the airline. also back here at home, one geologist is calling the landslide the worst he has ever seen. still, more than 170 unaccounted for as rescuers are clinging to hope that they can find additional survivors. we will take you there live. you're watching cnn's special live coverage. benefiber is clear, taste-free and dissolves completely. and unlike other fibers, you'll only know you're taking fiber by the way

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malaysian officials say they can now tell you how flight 370 ended. they say they can even tell you when it happened. but what they can't still tell you is why, or precisely where, or show you one single piece of tangible wreckage, and that uncertainty is just proving to be too much for these families. they want hard evidence that the plane did, indeed, crash into the southern indian ocean. sarah is live for us in kuala lumpur, and sarah, i mean, you have talked to family members. what are they telling you today? >> reporter: there was a heartbreaking story that we heard today. a mother, a wife who was waiting for her husband to return, and

literally, she's sitting in a hotel room believing that he may come back to her, maybe in her arms once again. she has been there waiting with the other passengers for the last 18 days now. she says she simply lost faith in the authorities here. because so many times, their information was put out and it just turned out not to be true. they really feel that there's some information being withheld from the families. that is the general consensus among many of the family members both here and in beijing. but she said something that really broke everyone's heart as we were listening to her talking. she said that she simply does not have the courage to tell her 1 and 5-year-old boys who are back with their grandparents in beijing, waiting for their mommy and daddy to return, she doesn't have the heart to tell them that their father is missing right

now. and she herself cannot bring herself to believe that he's actually gone, even though we've heard time and again now from malaysian authorities, both the government and the airline, that they believe those families are gone forever. >> some of these relatives walking, marching to the malaysian embassy in beijing. they want answers. tell me, sarah, has the malaysian government responded to that? . >> reporter: the malaysian government is saying sometimes they're getting information that is not correct. they come back and correct themselves as soon as possible. but for the last couple of days, they've been very consistent with this inmarsat data that has told them they believe this plane was flying over the southern part of the indian ocean. and that is where this flight ended.

that has been consistent the last couple of days. they also said they're not holding back anything from the families but they have to do an investigation. of course, they cannot give out all of that information as they're trying to get accurate information. they say they have been sharing it with the families. we do know the last few briefings, the families knew first about this latest and most devastating information, and then that information was shared with the media and subsequently the world. you're seeing the video in beijing. the scene quite different in the hotel. their outbursts much larger. their response much grander in a sense. they are really going after authorities in a visceral way. here in kuala lumpur, it is much more sedate. much more filled with sorrow than rage. what you're really seeing here are somber tones. people who are crying. people who are overcome with

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the death toll stands at 14 in rural washington state after this mudslide virtually wiped out two communities. you see the pictures yourself right here. just utter devastation. officials there say there's anywhere from 30 to 40 feet of mud and debris in the towns of oso and darington. at least 49 structures were

destroyed, and there are still more than 170 people still unaccounted for. one woman who is desperately trying to find four family members spoke with anderson cooper about how overwhelmed this community is feeling right now. >> this is catastrophic for our community. all of us who are waiting for word know each other. we know the other family members that are missing. it's such beyond the scope of my four missing family members, that it's just -- for our whole town. pray for our town, please. >> several volunteers are helping out with the search and rescue. what a compelling interview last

hour. i think what sticks with me is what he told you, this man who is missing his own loved ones, describing to you kids digging out their parents. it's awful. >> reporter: yeah. grown children, but still. your heart wrends for these people. some would say denial. other call it hope. it depends who you talk to. but to give you some sense of this, this is the staging area here in darington. we're on the west side of the slide. all morning we've been watching volunteers get briefed here and then head down that road, highway 530 into the scene of just such utter devastation, and when they come back, brooke, they come back changed. but the things they've seen. describing the victims of this landslide like they've been

tossed into a rock tumbler. we're all holding out hope that there are air pockets. it's like an earthquake where people survive for days in a hidden little corner and just need to give them enough time so their cries can be heard. i talked to one fireman who described the paste, the greasy consistency of the earth. all that white earth that came down. how it filled everything. how it ripped cars in half. here's what he had to say. >> the people we're finding, they're not just buried, they're ripped apart, smashed. clothes are ripped off. very indignifying. it's hard to deal with the images. >> reporter: so the cost that will carry on from here, not just the mourning of those who have lost their loved ones, 14, although that's bound to go higher, but there's a psychological toll of all those

volunteers who are up there working that pile right now. and all the first responders as well. clergy are getting guidance on how to go into the schools and deal with the kids' questions as we go forward here. so i wish i could inject some sense of hope that there's a feeling that, you know, the clock is ticking if they can get there fast enough. so many folks have resigned themselves to the fact that it's time to start mourning. >> i am so glad you talked to a firefighter. our thoughts are always with those of who are no longer with us, but also the rescue teams who are seeing things no one should ever have to see. bill weir, thank you so much in washington for us right now. coming up here, back to the plane. underwater piece of equipment here could be the key to finding flight 370. we will show you how this robot could give us the first glimpse of flight 370. my mornings are definitely not routine. and that can take a lot of energy. introducing nature valley breakfast biscuits.

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just past the bottom of the hour, you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. we now know that the u.s. navy's black box finder has just reached perth, and in just a couple days, it will be making its slow journey on a ship through the high seas to look for flight 370, and specifically find those boxes. so in perth, planes are returning to the skies soon, 3:30 in the morning there, after severe weather in this remote part of the world halted the search. these search crews know they cannot afford to waste another

day, because if they don't find the black box soon, it may be impossible to ever locate the plane and figure out what really happened. that's because the batteries, we keep talking about this, sending out these pings, the signals. they are dying fast. so the crucial pinging sound may go silent as early as april 8th give or take here. the tough task of locating the potential wreckage of malaysia flight 370 is just beginning, and if -- and that's a big if -- if and when it is found, it could be thousands of feet below the ocean's surface. but, this high-tech underwater vehicle could really make the difference in recovering crucial evidence. with that, here is cnn's rosa flores. >> reporter: this could be the key to solving the mystery of malaysia airlines flight mh-370. an underwater piece of equipment that works in the deep sea called a remotely operating vehicle, rov for short.

it's what the malaysian government has added to its fleet of resources, in hopes of recovering some of the most critical pieces of evidence from the deep sea. >> the two key pieces of evidence that outweigh all other evidence are the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder. >> reporter: they gave cnn an exclusive look at the rov try tan xls. >> are you getting a signal on the rov? >> reporter: the multi-million-dollar machine is tethered to a vessel. dropped into the water by a cable. >> we have an altitude of 28 meters. >> reporter: and slowly remotely lowered to the sea floor by pilots in a control room located inside the ship. the rov is equipped with cameras. >> two cameras here on the pilot monitor and co-pilot monitor. >> reporter: meaning an rov like

this one could lay the first eyes on the wreckage site of mh-370. >> the wreckage can tell you how it impacted or how it came apart. it can certainly tell you if certain parts were burned. it can tell you a very complete story. >> metal arms and jaws are controlled by a joy stick. >> it's a black box, not a problem at all to pick it up, put it in a basket and recover it back to the vessel. >> reporter: but before the data recorders are recovered, the wreckage must be located, task as daunting as the indian ocean is deep. >> so we're learning about all this technology. it's like this virtual alphabet soup. you just heard about the rov. next i want to talk about the tpl. that's toad ping locater, which just arrived in perth hours ago.

a ship tows it along. the tpl is on the left-hand side of your screen, yellow. you see how a vessel tows it along at really slow speeds as it's listening. really, it's just that the ear is here for the ping for the black box and the cockpit voice recorder. here is what we all hope the tpl 25 will pick up. this is the sound of the black box ping. >> that is what they need to hear. my next guest used an earlier version of the tpl 25 for the twa flight 800 investigation in 1996. she is a retired navy captain and navy diver. bobbie, as we talk about this tpl here, just to reiterate for people, there's the analogy with the needle in the haystack, but you have to have the haystack to find the needle, so you have to have the debris field.

>> yes, exactly. so we need those search and rescue resources to get back out there now that the weather is clearing, and reduce that area so that we can find that haystack. hopefully we can hone in on that pinger so that we know the general area of where those black boxes are and use the tpl 25 to hone in on that, find the debris field on the bottom of the ocean so that we know the aircraft debris field on the bottom is hopefully. maybe use the sonar as well to help that. and then we get that ro v-out there on the ship. lower that rov down with its manipulator arms, and the camera, the high resolution camera so that the experts can see wahat's going on down there.

we'd like to grab those black boxes first, bring them up and get them off to the investigators and then start recovering victims and debris. >> so the tpl, then the rov, and those microphones, then the black box, and then answers. let me ask you this. throw the graphic back up. i'm just confused as far as the tpl. it's being dragged behind this vessel. when you look at this illustration, it goes within, under the surface of the water. >> yes. the tpl is being towed behind the ship. but it does sink down to depth, so that it is towed right along the bottom, and it is capable of going down to the depths we're talking about out there in the indian ocean. down to as deep as 20,000 feet, so it has to be towed down deep, almost along the bottom, not touching the bottom, of course, but down close to the bottom. >> got it. and it's there in perth. we know it will take about a

week and a half actually to get to the area where they're searching. the haystack, if you will, because it's just that remote. that's how long it will take. and we don't know how much more juice in these boxes exists. bobbie, thank you so much for your expertise. coming up, if the satellite data has narrowed the search area, why is it still so huge? we will take you inside the virtual room to explain how speed and fuel play into the flight's final hours. tom foreman standing by for it. also ahead, did you hear? the president of the united states dissing russia today. using a term that's got a lot of people talking. mine was earned in korea in 1953. afghanistan, in 2009. orbiting the moon in 1971. [ male announcer ] once it's earned, usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection. and because usaa's commitment to serve current and former military members and their families

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here's something new that we know. search teams looking for flight 370, they have officially called off the search in the so-called northern corridor, so now they're really honing in on this

specific portion of the southern corridor off the australian coast. but that search area is still massive. cnn's tom foreman is standing by for us in our virtual room. and tom, i mean, good news that they're narrowing it. bad news that it's still so huge. >> yeah, this has been this way the whole time. like a step forward and then you realize it's still two steps back because it is huge. this is massive. this is the latest search area that they're focusing on. bear in mind, they're still considering the bigger area. but the focus is right here. what we're talking about is 621,000 square miles. that's five times as big as the air france search area, where it took two years to find the plane. so why is it still so big? let's look at the dynamics of this plane and that will give you an idea why. the first thing you have to think about in all this is speed. speed. how fast was this plane going? they have an idea. they have a pretty good guess as to how fast it was going. but a pretty good guess still

leaves a lot of play. a plane like this can cruise along -- they thought it was going between somewhere between 400 and 450 miles an hour. if you're traveling at that speed and off by five minutes or ten minutes or 20 minutes, that's a tremendous amount of distance that you now have to search because you don't know where the plane went. that's complicated by another factor here. the issue of altitude. they have a pretty good idea where the plane was flying. they think an altitude. but again, if it is up in the stratosphere where planes like this like to cruise around 35,000 feet, or 30,000 feet, the air is much thinner. there's less weather. it can go further on less fuel. if you drop it down to where most of us live, there are all sorts of things that slow down the performance of the plane so it doesn't go as far on fuel, and fuel depletion is another factor you have to consider in all of this. how much fuel did they really have? we think about fuel in a car, like how far can i go on a tank

of gasz. well, that's fairly constant. but with a plane like this, all those other factors, how much it had to turn and maneuver and how low it was determines how quickly it burns out its fuel load, on top of which, brooke -- i know that you would think of this, maybe a lot of people wouldn't, but as you burn all that fuel, all of that weight, the physics of the plane are changing. because it's getting lighter. and that also comes into play. so knowing when the fuel ran out, that's still a guess. and again, if you're off by five minutes, ten minutes, 20 minutes in terms of when the fuel ran out, makes a huge difference as to where the plane goes. brooke? >> still sounds like a lot of guesses listening to you here. tom foreman, thank you. and even though there are more than 200 lives lost, presumed lost here, one of the world's most sophisticated jets is capable of disappearing, media critics taking on cnn for its coverage. there's a new poll suggesting those critics are wrong.

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plane but 12% says there hasn't been enough and about half says the coverage has been about right. brian is joining us and host of "reliable sources." 60% say that they are seeing the right amount of coverage, some of would like to see more. does that surprise you? >> what surprises me is the 12% who say there is not enough coverage because the media has been covering this exhaustively and putting pressure on the governments involved to figure out some answers here. but i did think it was notable to see only 33% of people in this poll with a margin of error of about 3% saying there's been too much coverage. many would say there's been too much coverage, there's been a saturation of this and then it is too much. i think what we're seeing is a split between what so-called

media critics say and what it's actually been. this happens all the time. this is a story that people want an ending to and still are not satisfied if they have gotten one. >> we don't have an end yet and we've heard from the families and they say, please, media, keep shining a light on it because they want accountability from the airline. >> that's right. people have so many options these days. we live in this area of media infinity. you can find whatever you're interested in on the internet or television. as a result, it makes more sense to have channels like cnn or fox or msnbc focused on one story at a time when there's a big news story happening. >> you know, you bring up fox. you have bill o'reilly on fox news. he's been one of the more vocal critics saying that the coverage is degrading to journalism but when you watched fox last week, the other shows in fox, in primetime were devoting much

airtime to the story, brian. >> i love it when bill o'reilly plays media critic. after all, he's got very interesting points of view on this but i think his critics of this ring hollow because other programs on fox have been covering the plane exhaustively. he seems to have an issue internally with his colleagues and i wonder if he's talked to them about it. it's always interesting to see different hosts at a network disagree on air. he's very sensitive to ratings. when his audience is not interested in something, he changes the subject. i'm surprised that he's being so critical given that people's interests are very, very high. this is unlike a story i've ever seen. i don't think i've seen a story like this either. >> sitting at the dentist,

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no other way to put it here, so i'll just say it. president obama today flat out dist vladimir putin. he called putin's russia a regional power whose meddling in ukraine is a sign of weakness. jim acosta with the president there in the netherlands. not saying world power. regional power, which certainly there was rippling from that. they are strong words, jim. what about actions, though, from

obama? >> reporter: well, it got our attention. that is right. he warned vladimir putin the u.s. will defend nato allies against russian aggression. he made that clear here in the hague. he also said that if russia decides to go into other parts of ukraine, there will be bigger sanctions. as you mentioned, it was a very interesting moment that happened in this press conference when the president was asked whether or not he regretted criticizing mitt romney who once said that russia was the u.s. top geopolitical foe. he said no, he was right then and he is right now. it was a dig at russia. >> russia is a regional power that is threatening some of its immediate neighbors.

not out of strength but out of weakness. ukraine has been a country in which russia had enormous influence for decades, since the breakup of the soviet union. >> and the president went on to say the u.s. has influence over its neighbors, over in the western hemisphere in latin america but the u.s. does not go about invading those neighbors. the president went on to say that he's actually more worried about nuclear terrorism and a bomb going off in manhattan. we went back to administration officials to ask them whether or not the president was referring to anything in particular. and they said, no, he wasn't talking about any intelligence about something like that occurring but we should keep in mind, brooke, they are just coming out of a nuclear security summit here in the hague and very interesting, brooke, they actually had an interactive experience for these world leaders at the summit where they presented a dirty bomb scenario.

this was on the president's mind when he made those comments. >> made comments about that and the nsa. jim acosta in the hague. to washington, jim sciutto taking over "the lead," which starts right now. >> the search for flight 370 now set to resume after weather threw up yet another obstacle. i'm jim sciutto and this is "the lead." the world lead. the planes and ships about to begin the quest again after gale force winds halted the search. the batteries in the black boxes die a little more each second. a boost from the u.s. could help find them but will it arrive in time? >> also -- in china, fury at the malaysian government's handling of the ordeal outside oe