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debris. >> thanks very much, kyung lah. that's it for "the lead." i'm jim sciutto. i'll send you over to wolf blitzer who is in "the situation room." >> jim, thanks very much. happening now, the mystery of flight 370. aircraft are getting ready to take off and ships are getting back into the area after violent weather in the search area. time is running out to find the so-called black boxes. the u.s. sent down a pinger locator to help find the flight and data recorders. you're going to see how it works. and grieving and the furious. hundreds of the friends and passengers are demanding firm evidence that their loved ones are lost forever. so why is china now starting its own investigation?
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i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." we begin with a race against time to find a trace of malaysia flight 370. here are the latest developments. as a new day begins in the south indian ocean, ships and planes are ready to head back into the search zone after violent seas and gale-force winds caused precious hours lost. due to arrive in australia shortly, a pinger will help searchers listen for signals. but the batteries powering those signals are running down and it will take days to get the device into the so-called search zone. our reporters and analysts are standing by around the world as well as here in washington with the kind of coverage that only cnn can deliver. let's begin with pamela brown. what's the latest? >> wolf, officials are scrambling to defend their
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controversial conclusion that the plane went down in the southern indian ocean. this is as new revelations are just beginning and pressure mounts from passenger family members. with anguished family members demanding hard evidence that flight 370 is lost, even protesting outside of the malaysian embassy in beijing. >> and i don't think that this kind of a liar or murderer can solve anything. >> reporter: today, cnn learned that the chinese is launching their own inquiry. under mounting pressure, the british company that analyzes that satellite data inmarsat released more of its analysis today in an attempt to explain why it believes the plane went down 1500 miles off the coast of
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australia. and the malaysian government is making a move that some say is too little too late, expanding its inquiry. >> an international working group comprising of agencies with expertise in satellite communication and aircraft performance to take this work. >> reporter: in the meantime, officials tell cnn the malaysian air force is opening up its own separate investigation even though it was criticized early on for its role in not scrambling jets. back in the united states, sources say the fbi continues to dig into the background of the plane's two pilots. but after a day of rumor and tabloid speculation about the men, malaysia airlines ceo gave a rare interview with the bbc, defending them, especially veteran captain zaharie shah. >> the pilot captain has 18,000 hours, has been with malaysian airlines for more than 30 years.
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so he's also an examiner for the 777. so there's no record or anything. >> and now today's press conference officials refuse to answer questions about the pilots. they did say they are still waiting for information from the hard drive of the captain's simulator and the pilots' laptops that forensic experts have been working to recover. >> they are working and working. no success yet. all right. thanks very much, pamela brown. with investigators working on several fronts, the key focus is on whether someone caused the airliner to intentionally disappear. barbara starr is looking into this part of the story. barbara? >> wolf, malaysian officials said several days ago it might have been deliberate action, their words that brought down the airliner. the question now, is the u.s. coming around to that way of thinking? some u.s. officials say experts are beginning to suggest someone in the cockpit could have
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deliberately brought down flight 370. >> they just don't fallout of the sky and it it would really take multiple failures of multiple systems for know believe that this is what could have occurred. >> reporter: the idea of a deliberate act is not being ruled out by the u.s. in part because of what evidence has not emerged. if the plane was in trouble, experts say, there should have been time for the pilots to send a mayday after the plane turned and flew west, but no call was heard. so was it a terrorist attack? u.s. officils say there's been no claim of responsibility so for now they don't think it's a likely scenario. what about a hijacking? again, experts say there likely would have been time for the pilots to make a call. so why not some kind of mechanical failure? >> if you had an emergency, if you had an explosive decompression, if you had a fire, those are catastrophic events that you want to get that
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plane on the ground as quickly as possible at the nearest suitable airport and point of time. >> but instead, whoever was at the controls appears to have deliberately have abandoned the flight path and deliberately made a left-hand turn for vietnam and then the plane turned over the indian ocean and appears to have flown south until it ran out of gas. >> to me, that said that person or persons in the cockpit were really deliberately trying to take that plane and put it somewhere where no one would find it. >> at this point they can not say if someone entered the cockpit from the passenger cabin or the pilot or co-pilot might have been involved. u.s. investigators have compiled profiles of the two pilots based on interviews with friends, neighbors and family members conducted by malaysian officials and a search of their online activities. there is no evidence so far they did anything wrong.
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>> and you know wolf, we can't say it often enough. the reality is, at this point, nobody knows what happened to flight 370. wolf? >> that is the reality. thank you, barbara. not everyone has convinced that the crash was caused by malicious intent. there are some that say a catastrophic activity is more likely. we'll explore that possibility more at this hour. in the meantime, let's bring in miles o'brien, our aviation analyst, peter geolz of the national transportation board as well as tom fuentes. you know, peter, all of a sudden malaysia announces they want an international working group to figure this out? we're now in week three. what's going on here? >> that's called being behind the curve once again. they had an international working group. it was called the investigative group. had they involved all of the
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interested parties in the investigation in a transparent way from day one, they would not be facing all of the problems that they are facing today. china has a perfect right to ask to see the data that confirms this flight to the south. and they should have seen it weeks ago. >> and the family has the right to see that also. there's only 12, 13, 14 days left maximum before the pingers of the black box -- but it's actually orange -- there's a good chance, given the bad weather in the region, given the chance that it's going to take several days for the pinger locator to get out there, we are not going to get to that beeping noise. >> let's assume the weather clears up and the searchers get lucky and find wreckage. it's drifted now for more than two weeks. we have to figure out what the drift is. the wreckage that is beneath the sea is not going to be beneath
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any wreckage that is found for sure. the range on the pingers is about two miles. so finding that -- >> even if it's not within a range of 5 miles, it's still a very difficult chore. >> exactly. i wouldn't put a lot of hope in finding that black box. with fair france they had luck two years later. it was found at the top of a trench and that was helpful to them. >> did you get a clear understanding today, tom, from the malaysia government or airlines why, if there's anything beyond the inmarsat reconstructed data, why they decided to end this whole situation as far as the families are concerned and tell all those people their loved ones are dead? >> no, i still don't understand.
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they had to have assumed that there's going to be an outcry, particularly from the families in china who are waiting for their loved ones. so why not -- i agree with peter, why wouldn't you have included international working group in the first place? the chinese have a robust space program. they have some of the top engineers, scientists, software technicians in the world. why wouldn't you bring them in on that? they have expertise that would have helped in this. and if nothing else, if all of the mathematical computations were done by the inmarsat technicians, this is kind of like high school mathematics. show us the work. >> if this were ntsb and you conducted these investigations, national transportation safety board investigation, all the transcripts, if not the actual audio of what the crew were saying to ground control, that would have been released by now? >> it would have been released within a week of the event and -- but all of the fact you'll data would be agreed upon by the parties.
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so boeing, rolls royce, china, the uk all would have agreed on factual statements that then would have been made public. so it's not just the malaysian government saying that this is a fact. it is an international group that would have said we've looked at this, this is a fact and this is what we're acting on. >> the chairman, the ceo of malaysian airlines, he was asked today if he was going to resign as a result of this. here's what he said. >> will i resign? it's a personal basically decision. we'll take it later. >> there's a lot of pressure on him to resign. >> you can imagine why. of course, a lot of the heat rightly belongs with the government officials responsible for this investigation. i was talking yesterday to former ntsb chairman here in the u.s. jim hall. and he said a country that fly as 777 should be able to
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demonstrate the capability to conduct a proper and thorough investigation and if they can't there should be a memorandum of understanding in advance that another country would take the lead, whether it be australia in this case or new zealand, or the uk, for that matter. and that would have solved a lot of things. so maybe countries that fly these sophisticated airliners and as they export across into the third world, maybe this is an idea that should be adopted because this is, after all, something that the whole world needs to know about. if a nation can't support an investigation, we are all left in the dark. >> you were outraged and i was outraged as well. the prime minister of malaysia 24 hours or so ago makes the announcement that the plane is in the waters of the indian ocean. why is he making that announcement? >> i just think the idea of politicians running in front of the cameras and trying to analyze aviation accidents is a horrible idea. what is his expertise, with all
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due respect to the prime minister, and he got in the mix as well and it's led us down some rabbit holes. it's left to the expertise and people in the trenches and to kick this up to the political level i think is a bad idea. >> if this investigation were here, peter, it would be the ntsb, faa if there was a criminal investigation it would be the fbi making these kinds of announcements, not the political leadership. >> no. they would all be involved from the beginning not knowing. you look at any major crash and it's not known immediately whether it's mechanical or criminal or suicide. all of those things are unknown at the time. so you proceed full speed on all areas, on all fronts until you do establish what actually occurred. >> peter, they were hoping -- the prime minister of malaysia -- to get those families out of the hotel, move on, they miscalculated. >> it might have worked in kuala
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lumpur. it did not work in beijing. up next, a device to help searchers find the black box is due to arrive momentarily in australia and there's a race against time to get it out into the indian ocean. and will the u.s. step up its involvement in the search? i'll get the very latest from the u.s. navy commander in the region. 's pronto lunch starting at $6.99. an entirely new menu created with your busy schedule in mind. handmade italian sandwiches, flatbreads, and our signature soup and salad. starting at $6.99. and all served "pronto!" at olive garden.
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out to find the flight and data recorders. the boxes are powered by batteries that could die in less than two weeks. the u.s. navy has dispatched a pinger locator to help searchers listen for those crucial sounds. >> wolf, even without a confirmed piece of the plane, search teams want to be ready for that if and when it happens. they want to be ready to find the crucial black box and the pinger. well, this is the crucial piece of equipment that will help them do that and it's already been sent to the search area. the u.s. navy only has two of these high-tech listening devices and one of them is heading to the indian ocean to help find the missing plane. its mission, find the plane's black box with the important data recordings before the pingers die out. that's in less than two weeks. >> think of your cell phone
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ringer. if you lose your cell phone, you can call it and you hear the phone ringing. so you narrow down your search. >> reporter: cnn had a look at the area where this device is made. this helped recover flight 447 in the atlantic. once the debris is found t. can go thousands of miles below the surface for hours at a time. >> how far away can it be apick it up? >> the outside sej about two miles. a mile and and a half to two miles away it can detect the sound. >> reporter: if the battery is fading, they can still detect it. >> the signal would come up through the umbilical. here's a cable. it runs up through the umbilical and comes into the receiver unit. so we have a speaker on here and
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the power buttons and out of this box wave computer set up that graphically represents the signal that you're hearing from the beacon. >> reporter: then, a team on deck deploys phoenix's other assets. an autonomous underwater vehicle often using a lawn mower search pattern. >> this is the machine that can recover it, this remotely operated vehicle that can go very deep in the ocean with manipulator arms and can pick up all sorts of devices. it can recover the black box for air france flight 447. with flight 370s battery going down each day, every moment is critical. >> until they recover this data, it's still a mystery. they will not know what happened. >> reporter: without a confirmed sighting, why not blanket an
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area of the ocean? the manufacturers say these are only a few of these in the world and they are very expensive to deploy. wolf? >> let's go back to miles o'brien, peter goelz and law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. miles, i don't understand, in this day and age in 2014, you can only detect this pinger here on this box for only two miles away for only 30 days when it has the whole history of the flight, so much crucial information are we living in 1950 right now? >> yes. in a word we are. there is great irony here. some of the aircraft involved in searching for this aircraft, the pm p-3, has a floating black box capability. how redoundant is that? of course, we have the
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technology to have lagitude and when you think about how we're surfing the internet at 37,000 feet routinely these days, the fact that the aircraft is not identifying where it is on the face of the planet is absolutely outrageous. >> it's amazing to me that -- everybody has been e-mailing for three weeks now, tweeting, e-mailing, questioning, a 777 with 239 people on board, one of the most sophisticated jetliners in the world, it can simply vanish in thin area like this and nobody can find it? >> this is in reality 30-year-old technology. >> this black box? >> we have not changed the pinger since the 1970s. it has been a frustrating thing for the ntsb. >> who is stopping that? >> the industry resists these types of changes.
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>> why? >> because we learn from these lessons, we learn from these blunders. if in fact there was a mechanical problem. there's still 1100 777s flying right now. they have not been checking for any problem. we have no idea what the problem is if there was a mechanical problem. >> hopefully from this, the vacuum that this accident is leaving is going to drive the public and drive the industry to action. >> i think it's time for a national commission to learn from this, learn from other disasters and come up with a game plan -- tom, you worked with the fbi, so we don't have to go through this ordeal. when i say "we," i specifically mean the families. >> you're absolutely right. i have to admit that i've attended many stupid budget meetings were simple solutions were not allowed. you're being looking at the cost of equipment on a $250 million
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aircraft and you don't want to pay a few thousand extra to have the capability that miles just mentioned. it's like buying a rolls royce and wanting to save money, not putting a dvd player in it or something. the issue is simple. longer battery, longer pinger capability and a deployable battery for flights, for long-range flights. i guess it could be done. >> and miles, the good news is, as we have now confirmed, the search has resumed, the weather has improved in perth, australia, and planes are taking off. ships will be going out. they are going to resume the search. >> today is the lucky day. let's hope. >> it's wednesday morning already in the indian ocean. guys, stand by. much more coming up. when we come back, we're learning more details about what might have been flight 370's final moments and new satellite information that may have been the plane's last communication. plus, while some are
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suggesting malicious intent, the accident theory is not being ruled out. details on that and a lot more coming up here in "the situation room." [ male announcer ] it is more than just a new car... more than a new interior lighting system. ♪ it is more than a hot stone massage. and more than your favorite scent infused into the cabin. it is a completely new era of innovation.
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i want to confirm the breaking news. the first of several surveillance planes from perth, australia, has taken off. the weather has improved in western australia and they are going to look for any signs of the this missing malaysia airlines flight. they are looking at new satellite data that has just been released. rene marsh is joining us us now with the latest details. rene? >> wolf, today we learned that there's evidence of another ping we didn't know about before, a partial electronic transmission which may be the final minutes of flight 370.
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this new information extends the plane's timeline but tonight the experts that analyzed the data are asking questions instead of answering questions because they admit they don't know what this new data means just yet. new data may help unlock the secrets of where flight 370 bwet down. the 777 flew south over the indian ocean connecting with the satellite once an hour for six hours. the final ping, as described by malaysian authorities nearly two weeks ago, happened at 8:11 a.m. but now a new revelation. there may have been another ping. eight minutes later, the satellite detects something else, this time evidence of a partial connection. >> so by getting that very last data, that last data point, you have a lot more information about where the plane might be. it's another very important piece of the puzzle. >> reporter: but not even the
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engineers understand what this means and how it fits into the big picture. >> at this time, this mission is subject to further ongoing work. >> reporter: is this partial ping a sign that the plane was still flying or is it the moment it went down in the indian ocean? >> this extra data point is not in itself very definitively conclusive about the fate of the plane. it will allow us, should it come to that, to have a some what better -- a somewhat narrower search field. >> reporter: the plane never made its next satellite connection scheduled for 9:15, around the same time the plane would have run out of fuel. >> at the time of that transmission was received, even though it was partial and incomplete, somewhat garbled, presumably the equipment that was sending it was intact and sometime after that there was an impact and it stopped functioning completely. >> reporter: the new data helps further plot the flight path of flight 370.
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a left turn off course after 1:21 a.m. flight 370 then flew for more than six hours. then, sometime after 8:11 but before 9:15, the plane went down. all right. wolf, further analysis is being determined about what additional information can be extracted from this partial handshake. best case scenario is being able to determine the plane's position at the moment it made this connection. that would help crews pinpoint where this plane would be because, as you know, they are searching such a vast area at this point, wolf. >> rene marsh, thanks so much. let's go right to commander william marks aboard the "uss blue ridge." thanks very much for joining us. i take it the weather has improved. the first surveillance plane has
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taken off from perth. what the u.s. navy plane, the poseidon that is there, the p-8, as it is called? >> yes, our p-8 is scheduled to fly a search mission today in the southern indian ocean in the potential area of the debris field. so i have here on my list just listen to this amazing list. china, south korea, japan, india, australia, and the u.s. and others all flying missions in this southern sector under the lead of australia but out of perth here. that's simply incredible. if you look at the seventh fleet and the countries of this region, to have this type of cooperation and collaboration is extremely encouraging and incredible. so we're glad to be here and to contribute. >> reporter: so who coordinates the areas where the 12 different
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surveillance planes, the p-8 and other planes, who coordinates where they will fly over? >> right now it's being led by australia. it's a very complex coordination. an air casting order is sent out. that lists the sectors, time of launch and, very important, the communication frequencies. so all of that goes into something called an air testing order, or an ato and everythiso area is covered. it also allows each country to have maintenance, conduct maintenance and to rest their people on a rotational basis so that when they do rest, the other countries have the sectors covered. >> the u.s. has one surveillance
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plane as part of this operation. the p-8. any other u.s. assets, ships deployed in the region right now to try to help? >> i think the big news for the u.s. navy and its support, we're moving in two very advanced pieces of equipment. one is called a tpl, or a toad pinger located and another is called a blue fin. when we think we have a good point where we want to search, we will deploy those, once again, on an australian vessel under the lead through their coordination. but those pieces of equipment are what most likely will find the black box, if at all, it can be found. >> what are you hearing, commander, about the wetter this out there? it's relatively okay today. but what about the next few
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days? >> yeah, it was rough yesterday. we saw seas 6, 7, 8 feet or more which is very difficult on the ships out there. i do have reports, it should get slightly better. that's why we're launching some of these flights today. hopefully loading on the pinger locator. >> but as of now, you don't feel you're any closer to any wreckage or debris or this airliner i heard john kirby, the pentagon spokesman say here on cnn a little while ago, it's not just looking for a needle in a haystack, not just looking for a haystack, he says, we haven't even found the harm yet where a haystack might exist. is that your sense, that you're looking but you really don't have any great clues? >> yes, i would agree with that. and the way i think of it is, let's say you think you have a piece of debris. even if it's a big chunk.
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well, we're 17 days out from the beginning of this. so even if that chunk only moves half a knot an hour, so .05 nautical miles per hour, that's 150, 200 miles. so -- and these pingers don't have a huge range. these black boxes. it's only a couple thousand meters. so if you don't have a good starting position, it will be extremely difficult to find the thing. >> has that toad pinger locator arrived in perth? >> the last communication i had was that it was in the air en route. it either should have landed a couple of hours ago or it's landing as we speak. once it lands, we have to move it to a location where it can be loaded on to an australian
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vessel so it's not something that we can put on our p-8 or something and fly out there three hours. it does take a little bit of an effort. >> commander, thanks again to all of the men and women of the u.s. navy and everyone else involved in this very, very multinational search, commander william marks aboard the "uss blue ridge." coming up, some are suggesting malicious intent. others are suggesting it was a horrible accident. we're digging deeper. also, the breaking news, the massive search for the missing flight has resumed after a heavy dose of bad weather. we're going live to perth, australia, right at the top of the hour. for some, every dollar is earned with sweat, sacrifice, courage. which is why usaa is honored to help our members
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. while some say a deliberate act is what likely brought down flight 370, the counterargument, an accident, hasn't been ruled out. our senior washington correspondent joe johns is here and he's got new details on that theory. what are you hearing? >> wolf, the most disturbing scenario is that we may never know what happened to flight 370. experts say that one theory that is still open is that the plane was lost as result of a horrible accident as opposed to a crash caused by someone's malicious intent. without the black box or any piece of wreckage, investigators cannot rule out flight 370 went down in the indian ocean was an
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accident. >> possibly they flew it on autopilot until it ran on autopilot and then down it came. >> reporter: after the famous "all right, good night" communication, some say there could be sudden smoke or fire causing the pilots to alter their path. no mayday call because there was no time. >> in the first few minutes of this emergency, the pilots had to change course because they were looking for an emergency airport. they were, at some point, overtaken by whatever it was, smoke, fire, or whatever -- some kind of problem, and the plane was then left to fly itself after it had been programmed. >> reporter: the crew would likely have only had seconds to react before losing consciousness. changes in altitude would have occurred. >> as far as you can go on the radar track that people have so
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far, the plane seems to have oscillated and zigzags and that -- if it lost altitude, that would be consistent with it losing cabin pressure because the first thing is pilot does is change altitude. >> reporter: the plane continues until it runs out of fuel over the indian ocean. something like this has happened before. a chartered jet carrying payne stewart lost pressure and the people on board suffered from hypoxia and the plane flew for more than four hours and crashed in south dakota. whether the answer is ever known on flight 370 depends on what debris gets recovered. dials and gauges and conditions of passengers' remains. >> we can find out whether the engines were operating at the time, whether it was fuel
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starvation. >> one thing that might help solve the mystery is if malaysian officials ever get enough information to rule the disappearance of the plane an accident. such a conclusion would likely affect any potential litigation on behalf of the passengers and that likely in turn would lead to a closer look at the plane's maintenance and inspection records. >> and if there was a problem with that 777, they've got to figure out what it was there. are 1100 777 flying around the world. if there's a problem, they've got to find out what it is. joe johns, thanks very much. just ahead, violent weather caused pressure search hours. the search has resumed. a plane has just taken off from perth, australia. 11 others, including a p-8, poseidon, getting ready to take off. u.s. officials suspect this could be a good day given the weather conditions and relatives of passengers stormed the malaysian embassy in beijing.
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jim acosta joining us with new details. the president was pretty blunt today. >> absolutely. president obama sent another stern warning to putin saying the u.s. would defend against russian invasion and says sanctions would be ramped up if moscow decides to send troops into ukraine. he did acknowledge that basically moscow is controlling the facts on the ground in crimea. another key moment during the press conference came when the president defended his criticism of mitt romney. you will remember he said it to you when mitt romney came on the situation room and said russia is the top geopolitical foe of the united states. the president says he was right in that criticism back then and is right now. here is what thet president had to say. >> russia is a regional power
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that is threatening some of its immediate neighbors, not out of strength but out of weakness. they don't pose the number one national security threat to the united states. i continue to be much more concerned when it comes to our security with the prospect of a nuclear weapon going off in manhattan. >> now, a senior administration official tells us the president was not referring to new intelligence coming in when he talked about the prospect of nuclear weapon going off in new york city. he was talking btd topic of the summit. during this summitt here a world leaders shown an interactive exercise where a dirty bomb was to go off in a city what would
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leaders do. the visit to europe and saudi arabia will only get more busy for the president. he will give a speech on european security and talk about russia and ukraine and then on to rome to meet the pope. >> he spoke about reforms he is proposing for nsa surveillance. what did he say? >> reporter: that's right. he confirmed basically what we have known pretty much all day long that the u.s. is now saying the nsa will get out of the business of collecting bulk phone meta data at national security agency instead leading proposal is to have phone companies hold on to the data for the nsa to look at when they need to. the president is expected to unveilt that proposal within the next couple of days. our breaking news. the hunt resumes for flight 370. can searchers make up for time
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happening now a situation room special report. the search for wreckage resumes with more planes and urgency. we are live in the region. plus -- explodinging anger. hundreds of flight 370 relatives protest against malaysia, demanding proof of the government's claim their loved ones are dead. stand by, you will hear their emotional pleas. a final signal from the missing airliner revealed. we want to welco
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