that's it for us. thanks for watching. see you again at 11:00 p.m. eastern. live edition of "ac 360." "piers morgan live" starts now. this is cnn breaking news. >> this is "piers morgan live." breaking news. the search is back on in the southern indian ocean. 12 planes crisscrossing an area

of nearly 31,000 square miles. planes from china, japan, south korea, australia, the u.s. and new zealand are searching for any trace at all of flight 370. also a final partial ping from the plane eight minutes after the last complete transmission. what this clue could mean for the investigation. this all comes after furious families storm a malaysian embassy in beijing demanding answers. plus the landslide in washington state that killed at least 14 people. the death toll expected to rise. a news conference will take place in this hour. we'll bring that to you live. also to a woman who's praying for a miracle tonight as she waits for word on her husband of 43 years. but our big story of course remains flight 370. we're covering every angle with cnn's reporters all over the globe. kyung lah is in perth, australia. david mckenzie in beijing. kyung lah, those search planes are taking off tonight although it's this morning obviously in perth. kyung, clearly the weather

conditions have improved enough for these planes to take off. how optimistic are they that given the small amount of ocean they now have to check they may have success quite early in tracking down the debris fit if exists there? >> reporter: they're optimistic it appears to be shrinking. but at the same time, they are under a number of ticking clocks. the first being that we're looking at a very small window of good weather. the weather forecast is supposed to take a turn for the worst tomorrow. there's going to be increasing winds, increasing rain. it's going to make tomorrow a much more difficult day. so today while conditions are not ideal, they are looking at a goodw window. the search planes are taking off, staggered throughout the day. you mentioned all the countries, all the planes 12 of them take together air. the first which should be arriving to the search area right now. they open have two hours once they get to the site they have to make that four-hour trip back.

very tough conditions, piers. they are under the gun and they are pressing forward. >> and kyung, the key development in the investigation itself appears to be this revelation that there was a final partial ping that they believe came from the missing plane. what do we know about this? >> reporter: well, it's not completely understood. so the impact on the actual search is unknown right now. the way it's being read here on the ground is that they're going to keep moving forward, that it's a partial ping. it appears to be some sort of offline communication. it's not really quite understood. so as far as the search teams are concerned, they're going to plod ahead, keep moving forward. what is important is what they do know. they do know that there was some debris spotted on monday by an australian plane, a beacon was dropped in that area of debris. the australian ship is going to be heading there today to try to pick up that debris if it is still near that beacon and bring it back.

they are hoping it will be good news. >> kyung lalah, thank you indee. david mckenzie, increasing anger from the families toward malaysian official and government. what can you tell me about what happened today? >> reporter: piers, they somed from the hotel where they've been holed up for more than two weeks and went to the malaysian embassy by foot. they even managed to breach some of the malaysian embassy security. now certainly it's very unusual to have a protest of this kind in china allowed or at least tacitly allowed by the communist party. the families say they want proof that this plane went down. >> and david -- >> translator: i don't dare do. i have no courage. every day i'm scared to call my sons because once i call them they will cry out, daddy, mommy, and my heart can't handle it. i don't want to hurt my

children. >> david, in terms of -- >> reporter: certainly that's the more emotional -- >> very very emotional, very angry. but where will all this actually take things? presumably there aren't going to be any real answers to satisfy anyone on the family side completely until they find wreckage or clear evidence of this plane having actually crashed into the ocean. >> reporter: well, that's right, piers. it puts a lot of pressure on the searches that kyung was talking about to find some debris. these family members don't want to have any or don't want to get any closure, it seems, until they get that debris. they don't necessarily believe the malaysian announcement that based on the data this plane went down in the southern indian ocean. so you saw that anger spilling out. certainly it's a tough spot for the chinese government. they are continuing to point fingers at the malaysians, sending a special envoy to malaysia to help with the investigation. the pressure is rising, almost

like a pressure cooker here that we saw boil over in beijing with that protest, piers? >> david mckenzie, thank you very much. breaking news tonight on this investigation. the revelation of what they're calling a final partial ping from flight 370. here to explain what it means is john ostrow of the "wall street journal." john, you're reporting tonight about this partial ping. how significant do the investigators think it is? can you hear me, john? i think we lost contact. richard quest, you know about this report. >> absolutely. >> clearly it is significant. but how much is it going to be helpful perhaps in target where this plane has gone down and why? >> it is going to be extremely significant. because there were six hand shakes where the satellite says i'm here, the plane says i'm here. those six took us way down into the south indian ocean. now, when the last one took place you've got a very large area where you could be talking

about. but eight minutes later, from 19 minutes past, the fourth handshake at 11 minutes past, at 19 minutes past you get this partial handshake. now, what that means is you can now narrow down. once you've worked out why it's likely to have done this partial handshake, that could either -- that could be the plane sending up to the satellite i'm here. or electrical fault. in other words, something activated the system on the plane to try and do a partial handshake. now, this morning's briefing inmarsat said this time we do not fully understand it and it's subject to further work. ongoing work. tonight inmarsat is saying we do not believe -- we are not looking at this as being some human intervention trying to activate the system. what does it mean? long and short of it, there was a moment when the plane activated this system. and best view seems to be it's

at the end of its fuel line, it's in extremis. that's the point upon which the plane is going down. >> we've got john ostrow on the line now. can you hear me now? >> cane hear you. >> this report about the partial ping. i suppose the key interpretation of this, depending on who you talk to, is does it indicate perhaps more mechanical failure than a more nefarious reason for why the plane went down? >> that's the key to understanding this ping. really what investigators are looking at right now what is the significance? what actually causes a partial ping on the aircraft. what's really important about this particular ping is that it's different from all the other pings that came before it. the ones that allowed inmar shat to determine the path of the airplane and where they're ultimately looking today in the indian ocean. this particular ping began on flight 370 rather than began in an automated system in the ground stations that inmar shat

actu sat operates. that's going to be an important guide for investigators moving forward as they figure out what exactly would cause a partial ping. >> john, i've spoken to you several times in the whole process of this three week now news story. richard yesterday when we spoke was saying he still believes nefarious reasons behind why this plane went down. what do you think from everything that you've seen and studied on this? >> honestly, piers, gun to my head i still don't know what happened. i don't have a clear theory guiding one way or another. what we've tried to do is let the facts come out as they may without trying to preordain them against a given theory that we're working with. certainly what we have is another bread crumb in a series of bread crumbs that have led us from all the way from kuala lumpur to the gulf of thailand to the andeman sea and now here off the coast of australia thousands of miles from where this flight first began, where

anyone really thought it was even going to be two weeks ago. >> john ostrower, thank you very much. richard, let's come back to you quickly. you said that yesterday. is there anything with this partial ping today slightly change your thinking? all we can go on is each piece of new information. >> and i'm in the middle. nefarious but i can also see the evidence for mechanical. and i can argue as john just said, i can knock each one of those down. what i do want to point out is that if you look at the map that we were shown today by the authorities, you see the way the plane circumnavigated the indonesian coast. it didn't go straight over indonesia, it went around indonesia. more evidence of perhaps nefarious. i don't know. i do know, though, we just not jump to a conclusion one way or the other. >> all you can do is go on as each new piece of information comes out. you have to assess it in the most expert manner you can.

>> pieces of the jigsaw being put on the table until we finally get the picture. >> one last question, richard. does everybody involved in this who is a genuine bona fide expert concur on one thing, that if you find the wreckage you solve the problem? you solve the mystery of what brought it down? >> oh, no question, yes. find the wreckage, you find the black boxes, find the black boxes, you know what was happening on all the engines and all the systems. find that and the voice recorder you find out what happened. >> on the black boxes is there a ticking clock? eve read there may be seven days left where the black boxes still function. >> it's not like an alarm clock with a timer. it won't suddenly stop after 30 days. but after 30 days it will degrade. so it will be harder to heart ping. after 35 to 37 days the ping may not be there at all. yes, there is definitely a time running against the investigators. but there was as well in 447 and they found the black boxes two years after. >> richard, your energy levels

as always are quite baffling to me. we will be -- you're back on at midnight, right? >> 11:00, midnight. >> you're doing a great job. thank you very much indeed. want to turn now to john balby officer in charge of the u.s. navy's fleet to kuala lumpur. this is obviously a very very difficult operation. but how hopeful are you and the others involved in this that they will actually find this wreckage if it exists in the area they now believe it is? >> piers, good evening and thanks for having me. we're very hopeful. we've got a lot of high technology aircraft assets that are out there as your previous guests had alluded to the weather has been a bit of a hatcher recently. but if there's something out there we will eventually find >> it you've got very high tech stuff including the p 8 poseidon. tell me about that and the significance of being able to use that in this search. >> it's extremely significant.

both the p 3 and p 8 are maritime patrol aircraft really designed to patrol the seas for a variety of things including search and rescue missions. usually we'll start with the larger area search with our radar and try to narrow it down, identifying anything that the radar picks up with our optical cameras. as well as just getting eyes on a lot of times observer looking out the window that will find some of the smaller objects the radar won't necessarily see floating on the surface. >> commander, you're doing a great job. we wish you the best in tracking down what is left of this plane if it's crashed where people believe it's crashed. thanks for joining me. u.s. navy black box coordinators arrived in perth. can they get to it before time runs out? i'll ask my experts. hey there, i just got my bill, and i see that it includes my fico® credit score. yup, you get it free each month

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planes from six countries searching at the moment for any trace of flight 370. joining me is david soucie author of "why planes crash." a commercial pilot who flies 777, bill nye an engineer of boeing and worked on so-called black boxes and miles o'brien, pilot and cnn aviation analyst. we spoke yesterday about all this. the significance of this partial ping to you is how dramatic?

>> it's really a game changer. i really believe thought is. here ease what i think might have happened there, piers. the satcom boxes are way in the back of the aircraft, in the back and upper compartment right below the satcom antenna. they've been receiving these pings from that satcom antenna. a long way in the front is what the acars is and that's stopped gives us information. it's all gathered and sends information from the aircraft. what i suspect happened at this point, satcom is designed that when something changes, when there's an emergency signal of any kind it starts to try to connect. which is not what we got when it first made that turn. it went at 1:07. if some emergency had happened at that time you would have expected it to then connect. >> does it reaffirm or change your position which yesterday you believed something catastrophic had happened and there probably wasn't a nefarious reason behind this? >> absolutely it does for a number of reasons. but the biggest reason in my mind right now about this partial ping is that that satcom antenna not only receives information from acars but it

gets information straight from the engines as well. it doesn't have to go through the acars to get there. >> what does that tell you in layman's terms? >> if the engines quit from lack of fuel, whatever it is, it would have sent a signal to satcom and said let's connect. >> bill nye, let me come to you. you worked at boeing. you know about the black boxes. what do you think of where we are now three weeks nearly into this? >> well, what i'd like to say is, i don't think it's any one thing. i think that it's going to be a series of problems that compounded. and it sounds, listening to these experts about telemytry or communication with satellites, it sounds like there was some sort of foul play or somebody will intent at the beginning. by the end it was something else. if you like to get all spun up about this stuff, as we all do, there may be confederates who are waiting also to see what's

going to happen where what really caused their plan to go wrong, whatever their plan maybe. these would be confederates living on land conducting their lives also waiting to go see what happens. so once this thing is resolved, there could be another attempt that whatever this was driving it. but i'll bet you -- it's hard to say. i'm pretty sure it's more than one thing. and this race against time for the pinger is important. but if we don't get the pinger, we'll go to conventional means or extraordinary means or conventional as we did for the crash off the coast of south america two years ago. >> miles o'brien, let's cut if we can to a pure factual analysis. because there are a million theories, some of them outrageous, some of them perhaps correct. we just don't know at this stage. but from all the facts that we now have, and drip drip drip, little bits come out each day. today the partial ping. what does your aviation expert

head tell you is the most likely sequence of events here? >> well, we don't have a lot of facts number one, piers. that's one of the big problems in all of this. and frankly, the best primary factual information we have right now comes from this inmarsat data which we've been talking about. and the inmarsat data, the inmarsat satellite is not a satellite-tracking device. they have done a clever bit of work to try to make it do this job using the time it takes from the aim to tthe airplane and sa back and figure out timing as well as doppler shift to plot speed and direction. it's pretty clever engineering. if you look at that track, what you see initially would totally buttress the idea there was some sort of rapid decompression, a quick turn back and a descent t 12,000 feet. based on other information, military radar from malaysia. up to that point i don't see

anything that would indicate anything that was a willful act. but then there are two turns after that, two turns. one to the northwest, and then one to the south. what makes it to appear to avoid the land mass of indonesia. it's very difficult in an emergency situation to come up with a scenario where that would happen. if they're in a serious situation, the thing to do is get the plane down and get it to the nearest airport. so could they have put in some way-points that were stray and went off on a different course and become incapacitated? yes. i feel like that's less likely tonight. >> let me go to keith walzinger. you are a commercial pilot, you fly 777s. you've heard all the experts tonight. you're a guy that's actually been at the helm of one of these things. what is your view? >> my view still leans more toward human intervention. either action by the crew, action by the crew under duress,

or action by a third party commandeering the aircraft and having the technical skill and knowledge to maneuver the airplane. the idea that a catastrophic event could have occurred seems less likely because the distance the airplane traveled. and the course changes as miles pointed out. 9 course changes that the airplane underwent. i don't see how a catastrophic event would have sent the airplane midway between malaysia and vietnam to the south indian ocean. >> right. see david soucie, it's fascinating this. because although we don't have a lot of facts, actually we're starting to get enough where experienced pilots and aviation experts can almost start to rule things out. because it doesn't make any sense >> yes. well, if we just look at the facts that i'm accepting with a good reliability rate, something that i can say yeah, that feels right to me, it feels good to me. we know that the 107 attempt for

the acars was normal. i'm not convinced that the transponders were turned off. i think it's possible they just didn't receive the request to send the information that far away from the radar station. so let's take that off the table for just a second. now the aircraft drops to 12,000 feet and makes a turn. the only airport i can see it may have been attempting to get to which would make sense is paneng. a maintenance base for malaysia air. a place where if i had a problem with an aircraft that's where i would head. >> let me ask you again a layman question. if that is what they were doing, why wouldn't they have just told the airline or somebody, air traffic control? >> there's a couple of reasons for that. oxygen mask. if you have a rapid decompression which would explain why they dove and made the turn back to the maintenance base. you grab your oxygen mask and it comes out like an alien. you put over and release it and it sucks onto your face. if you then think i'm transmitting you're not. there's a ptt button, push to talk button that is right next to that mask.

it's easily forgotten especially in an emergency situation. so it's possible -- >> let me go back to keith wallzinger for a moment. as a piles if you were involved in this kind of scenario and there was something catastrophic going on, would you dive down to the nearest airport as david is suggesting is a possibility here penang? >> certainly if it's a depressurization or fire in the airplane. get the plane turned toward the nearest airport on the ground and let everybody know in the process. >> let me ask you this. most people i've spoken to about it, everyone's still gripped because the mystery remains. they all say the same thing. why has nobody on the entire plane been able to make any kind of contact or communication with somebody outside it? keith wallzinger for you. >> i have no idea why anyone

would not be able to communicate from the aircraft. the cellular phones don't work at high altitude. they don't work offshore. they have to be in range of a ground-based tower. there's lots of reasons why communication might not be possible. >> okay. going to take a short break. please stay with me, panel. when we come back we have other breaking news on the tragedy in this country, deadly mudslide in washington state that killed 14 people and we'll be back with more of this expert panel debate on the missing plane. what does an apron have to do with car insurance? an apron is hard work. an apron is pride in what you do. an apron is not quitting until you've made something a little better. what does an apron have to do with car insurance? for us, everything.

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landslide in washington state this weekend. rescuers have been frantically searching for days. but hopes are dimming tonight. cnn's george howell is in washington. we're awaiting a live news conference. george, the figure last night of people unaccounted for was 176. and there were 14 dead. do we expect the death toll to rise? and what do we know about the 176 number? >> reporter: sadly, we do expect the death toll to rise. we understand that search and rescue crews today pulled more victims from the mud here in snohomish county. they are not releasing a number at this point. we expect to learn more, hope to learn more. here in this news conference in the next few minutes that cnn continues to monitor. what we do know as far as the

176 people who are missing and unaccounted for, it is very important to break that number down, explain it. it's 176 reports. so it could be a report that a family member put out on a web site, a report that came out on twitter, or could very well be a vague description. for instance a neighbor saying my name bill lived there. that's where he should be. but he's missing so bill could be an identity that these investigators are looking into. the hope, piers, is that that number goes down. but as we saw yesterday, it went up from 108 to 176. and it very well could go up again. we know that investigators are doing their best to look for as many of those reports across the spectrum and combine them, put them all together and start bringing the number down. >> and george, have they found anybody who has survived in this appalling aftermath of what happened? >> reporter: no. on saturday, that was the last time that search and rescue

teams say that they heard people screaming for help. they were trying to get out. trying to be heard. saturday was the last day that that happened. and ever since there have been no sounds coming from the mud. and we know that they have not pulled any survivors from it. instead they've pulled victims from the mud. we know at this point 14 people confirmed dead. we are expecting here in the news conference here any moment now to learn -- hopefully learn more about what they discovered, potentially learn numbers that could add to the death toll. >> george, stay with us. obviously we'll go live as soon as that conference starts. we want to turn to the family of a man who's been missing since the landslide. barbara welsh hasn't heard from her husband of 43 years since he left home on saturday morning for his job as an electrician. with her are sons chris and wayne. welcome to all of you. our hauts go out to you and all the families. it's an agonizing wait and obviously desperate scenes down there. let me ask you, barbara, when was the last time you saw her

husband? >> saturday at 10:30 a.m. and he was supposed to be home by 12:00. and i never saw him after that. >> and he was an electrician, bill, the steelhead drive. he was hit we believe the direct path of the landslide. >> yes. he was helping put in a hot water tank for someone that was ready to move into their home. >> and barbara, you've been married 43 years. he was a great man. he survived vietnam. and was a great man. >> right. >> how are you holding up as a family? >> i think so. it's not easy. it's not easy. >> do you still have hope that he and other people -- >> i do, yes. yeah. my husband's a survivor.

and i believe in him. and that's all you can do is just keep believing. >> wayne, if i could talk to you, you've been to the devastated area. you've actually been involved with the rescue teams. tell me what you've been doing and describe to me the kind of scene that you've encountered. >> i've just been down here at the fire station. and seen all the volunteers come out of the woodwork from the community. and this area really came out and helped to give us hope, especially with the families need is hope. we just cannot give up. people survived 9/11 for a long time afterwards. they can survive this. and i do see disasters quite a bit. i'm a wildland firefighter for the united states government as a private contractor. and i see -- it's just the knowledge you get from all the structure and stuff, people can last a long time out there. >> and chris, let me ask you.

along with all the other families there, president obama has spoken about this, fema is involved, the army corps of engineers. you don't have your ear piece. let me wait for you. chris, you can hear me now, i think. i was just saying, chris, is it a comfort to the family that the president has taken an active role, that the army corps of engineers and fema are all down there? >> i'm not hearing it now. >> he's not hearing it now. >> let me ask you, barbara if i may. until we can get chris to hear me. barbara, do you feel that enough is being done? the president's been involved, fee marks the army corps of engineers. do you feel you're getting enough support from local and federal level? >> i think it's great what we're doing. i just think it could have been a little sooner. but that's my personal thought. but i think all the resources are being used. and i appreciate that.

and i just wish somebody could tell them where bill is and they could go for him. but that's my -- that's my thought. >> and barbara, for those who don't know bill, describe him to m me. >> he's a very kind man. he can be opinionated. you can tell when he likes someone and loves them, which is me. i don't know what's -- just this very special guy. he is just a true man. and i think he's done a good job of taking care of his family. and this was just a disaster. i figured if anything he was out there helping other people himself if he survives it.

>> barbara, it must be an agonizing time for all of you. thank you so much for sparing some time to come on the show tonight and talk about bill. our prayers will be with you as a family that he has managed to survive this and that you will be reunited with him. thank you very much indeed. >> thank you. >> thanks. >> again now live to the press conference in arlington just about to start. >> the things that i've seen, the love and support for this community will sustain me for many years to come. and with that i would like to invite chief hodge to the microphone. >> thank you sir. hello, my name is chief travis hotz. i'd like to give you a report on today's operations. we had a very challenging day today with the rain. and that just further complicated things. we continued our search and recovery operation on the entire slide area. unfortunately we didn't find any signs of life. we didn't locate anybody alive.

and so that's a disappointing part. our condolences go out to the families that have lost people here. and i say that on behalf of every single person that is working this scene and putting in a tremendous amount of time and effort and hours. they're doing a great job. they're utilizing a lot of of different resources out here. those resources we're using, snohomish county sheriff's department helicopter, snohomish county volunteer search and rescue personnel, we're utilizing search dogs, both search and cadaver dogs. we've got the fema urban search and rescue team. there's about 70 of those members coming. we've got heavy equipment on-site as well. some of that heavy equipment is everything from dozers to small little like bobcats that are like little kaeks vexcavator bo.

when you think of a dozer of a track hoe you think of something that's very large. we're getting in there with those little small bobcat track hoes and they're proving to be very, very effective. some of the stuff we're using is actually heavy equipment like track hoes when we get into areas that we can work. the national guards you saw a team is also here and is going to be instrumental in helping us. and of course our regional technical rescue teams from this region have been out there working tirelessly. this makes up over 200 responders that are here on site working very, very hard to try to locate victims and hopefully find somebody that's alive. that is still our number one priority out there. i visited the site today. and i went over to the darrington side. as a fire chief i believe it's important for me to get out there in the trenches where my people are working and find out what their needs are and see how

we can better support their needs in the operation. i actually used to serve on a technical rescue team when i worked for the marry marysville fire district. they were taking about a 15-minute break just to gate meal get a meal in they're not the type of people that would just tell me what i want to hear. i said how's things going? are you getting the support that you need? and the words that i heard from some of those folks is, we're getting all the support we need. it's great seeing all these federal, state, regional resources coming in. and one of the captains even said to me, says -- he calls me travis, he says, travis, it seems like the system is firing on all eight cylinders. so i was very pleased to hear that. they're not the type of people that would just tell me what i want to hear.

i visited another area at the site. there was a lot of work going on. here we are several days into this operation. and if any of you have ever seen -- >> we will break off from that press conference that's going on. obviously bring you any development that they reveal about the search for people down there in washington state from that dreadful landslide. take a short commercial break and we'll be right back. cut! [bell rings] this...is jane.

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video of a plane headed to the search area tonight looking for clues for the fate of flight 370. back with me now david soucie, author of "why planes crash". and pilots and aviation analysts. miles o'brien, when we look at

now what's going to happen with this search, they only have a window apparently of maybe 36 hours in your experience of this, and given the terrain they're looking at, this ocean is extremely wild in the best of times. never mind when the weather's bad. how realistic is it do you think that we're going to find the wreckage of this plane? >> well, i think the odds are stacked way against them. and even if you fine something floating on the surface of that churning southern ocean, that doesn't mean you're anywhere near where the rest of the wreckage is at the bottom of the sea. there's obviously a lot of drift. they can do some calculations and do some looking. but just take a rook at that video that's going on beside me there. that's a nice day on the southern ocean. so it's difficult conditions. it's autumn. and it's going to get worse as the weather gets colder down there. they need a break soon. and those black boxes will be preserved for a long time. i don't know that we're going to

see them anytime soon. >> david soucie, you have some interesting new information you got i think from an engineer, is that right? >> yeah, i did. i talked to one of the lead auditors down there who worked for the maintenance base that took care of these aircraft. he loose worked as a lead auditor at malaysia and went into their facilities and revealed to me a few things about the black boxes i wanted to talk about that. because the batteries for those black boxes are tested on the sea checks every 1,000 hours. but in addition every year they should be changed. and i asked him, so what's the chance is can it make 30 days or past 30 days? he said it won't. he said his audit proved that those batteries were stored in a very hot, very humid area. he wrote that up as a problem that needed to be addressed. and yet it wasn't. so those batteries in my estimation, it may not make seven days. it may have not made it today. so i'm very concerned about this investigation and fact that we don't want to make the same mistake we did with air france

447, to make the assumption they were pinging at all. and so overlook an area. go over and scan someplace thinking well we're not looking for anything but a ping. but what they should be looking for also as they're looking for that ping is with cameras down there checking to see what else is done there as well. >> keith wallzinger, what is your reaction as a pilot who flies 777s to what you've just heard? >> well, a lot of cases batteries don't last the full-length of time that they're supposed to do due to storage conditions or environmental conditions as he just said. the emergency locater transmitters that are similar type of batteries, they're also subject to environmental conditions as well. and the length of usable time might be degraded in that case as well. >> miles o'brien, how critical should we be of the malaysian government and malaysian officials? they've neff rever really had t

this before. a lot of criticism heaped on their heads. how much is deserved in your opinion? >> i feel like we're watching them learn how to conduct an air crash investigation. that's an unfortunate thing. a steady hand and some experience would be good in this case. ways talking to former ntsb chairman jim hall said. he said if a nation is buying something as complex as a 777 it should be able to demonstrate it has the expertise and capability to perform and conduct a thorough investigation if something bad happens. and if they can't demonstrate that, perhaps there should be some sort of memorandum of understanding with another nation that has that capability. in this case maybe australia or new zealand or the united kingdom. whatever the case may be. so i think there's a responsibility when you're flying something as complex as a boeing 777 to be able to conduct an investigation like this. because it is really, as we're talking about it here right now, it is a global issue. the whole world wants to know. and there are a lot of boeing 777s in the air right now.

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back with me now my panel. joining us also is james halperin. welcome to you. what is the way that these families in particular can deal with this appalling situation where three weeks have gone by, you have the malaysian prime minister declaring effectively it's over, the plane has crashed, everyone is believed dead. but there are no bodies and no wreckage. >> yeah, these families, whether it's the plane crash or the landslide, it's strange that they have that common characteristics of being severely traumatized where their fundamental assumptions about the world and themselves and other folks is just shattered and there's this ambiguity

because they can't grieve this loss because they're hoping for a loss. >> you have some additional information that you got from your sources. >> yes. what he was concerned about, we talked about this directive before where this antenna is mounted and it's been discounted saying that didn't apply this aircraft, or maybe it wasn't that problem. he disagrees with that. he said the way they're inspecting that piece of metal up there is that the antenna is mounted. they do a visual inspection. if they don't see corrosion, they let it go. he doesn't think that works because the cracks are hid 4deh. two additional bodies have been recovered from that landslide in washington, and the teams have located another eight

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back live to perth in australia. what is the latest now with the search that's been going on for the last few hours? >> reporter: right now the very first of the planes should have reached the search area. on the sea, the australian naval vessel steaming to an area where debris was spotted on monday. from the sky, from the sea, hoping to retrieve some debris for these families. and piers, they're working against a ticking clock. the weather is good today, tomorrow it's expected to take a turn for the worse. >> if it takes a turn for the worse, what does that mean, that no planes can go in whatsoever? >> reporter: possibly. that would be extremely disappointing, because yesterday planes were grounded. if the weather is severe tomorrow, if the winds are high, if the waves are too high, the clouds are too low, they simply cannot fly. >> thank you very much indeed

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