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good evening. the search is under way, the search is back on for the wreckage of flight 370. with it, everyone hopes some answers. complicating the effort, of course, determining just how far the 777 flew before running out of fuel and therefore where to search exactly. tom forman shows us how investigators have been doing it. first, i want to bring in our panel, though. richard quest, david sousi and les abend. richard, the news today, the news just in the last several hours is now we've learned, confirmed of a final communication or attempt at communication made by this plane or what seems to be made by this plane. explain exactly what it is, a
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partial hand shake they're calling it. >> we've had six pings where they know the plane tried to connect to the satellite, and we know they were confirmed. and then there was the seventh, the partial ping. they couldn't say, and they were quite open about it, they couldn't say why, and they couldn't say the significance of it. today, they said that they don't believe this partial ping was done by human intervention. in other words, this last ping only eight minutes after the previous one -- >> 8:11 a.m. was believed to be the last communication from this aircraft. >> the sixth ping, yes. the sixth ping. then you have this partial one eight minutes later, 8:19. the significance is, no human intervention, so nobody has tried to switch it on to register on the network.
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the significance, this is the plane, because it's a ping not coming from the ground station that way, it's the plane to the ground station, and this they believe is very significant or will be in honing down exactly where the plane was, because it's only eight minutes. >> david, early on the 8:00 program, this was called a potential game changer. do you agree with that? >> absolutely. i can derive some information from it, as well. that satcom system is capable of sending a signal when it senses an emergency, which tells me there was still something connected to it. the acars system stopped sending information, so somehow that connection was broken. whether it was turned off or the wire to it. the satcom has other systems that would still tell it to say i'm in trouble, i need help, try
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to connect. >> and les abend, we talked to miles o'brian in the 8:00, he suggested that partial ping could have been from an electrical surge or even the plane hitting the water, which would really help investigators zero in on an area to search. >> i contemplated that for a little bit. what i thought it might be was the fact that the last engine shut down or flamed out, because of fuel exhaustion, which would have -- this airplane is designed to deploy a ram air turbine, which operates one system of hydraulics, the other of electrics. that deploys that automatically, which would probably not be a priority for that one last electrical system and that would shut off the communication to the satellite one less time. >> still could give a time frame for knowing when the last engine went out. >> it's possible, but it's speculation on my part.
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>> if these various pings show a radius of x miles where the plane could be, on the sixth one, you've got up to an hour out of it where it could have been. but a ping only eight minutes later, you can drill down and prove the significance of that. and suddenly you are honing in on a much smaller area to search. it will still be huge, but it will be a significant improvement. >> family members in beijing today protesting out in the streets, wanting journalists to see them being held by back authorities trying to get to the malaysian embassy to protest what they say is some sort of a coverup.
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what do we know about the search efforts under way by the u.s. navy, australia, new zealand, china, even korea now, japan, what's going on today? >> reporter: we've just gotten the latest update, and what we're hearing from the australian authority that's overseeing all this. we know that there are four search planes over the search area, being divided in three separate areas. three more are coming, a total of 12 will take to the air. the most planes that we've had since this entire search off of the coast of perth since it all started. as far as the sea vessel, the australian naval vessel is zooming its way toward debris spotted on monday, hoping to retrieve that debris. >> david, a lot of anger from
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the families in china. we have not been showing pictures of them in their moments of grief and anguish out of respect for them. today, a different story, which is why we are showing the pictures, a show of strength protesting in the strengths of beijing, something unheard of in china, trying to get to the malaysian embassy. do the families have any reason to believe that they'll start to get more information? what was the result of this unprecedented protest? >> anderson, it was unprecedented, as you say, here in beijing and the heart of the communist party. very unusual to have a protest like this that isn't quickly wrapped up by authorities with people detailed. so in this case, the family members got out from that hotel, they gathered a very organized protest and walked all the way to the malaysian embassy and got into that area. keeping press away were police in uniform. what they want is evidence.
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they say they want actual hard, visual evidence of debris. otherwise they won't believe what they're hearing from the malaysian government and the malaysian airlines authorities. there's a great deal of mistrust here between the families and the authorities. and until they see that, they won't believe it. anderson? >> kyung, what do we know about the new piece of equipment from the united states that's arrived in perth? >> reporter: it's just arrived here within the last hour or so. we did get confirmation from the united states embassy in kuala lumpur that this piece of equipment, it's a high tech piece of equipment called the toad pinger locater. the best way to think about this, it's like a giant hearing aid that goes into the water and it can hear those inaudible to our ears pings coming from the black box. but here's the problem, until the debris is found, it's just going to sit here in perth, because they have to first find
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the debris, then they can use it. >> david, what kind of formal pressure does the chinese government continue to try to exert against malaysia? >> there has been no love lost in this issue with the plane going down and the chinese, even the official chinese foreign ministry saying they want more evidence, as well. so through the days as this drags on, the chinese state media has put out very pointed editorials, at one point saying the malaysians at best showing a dereliction of duty. that's fed in in some way to this anger shown by the families. certainly, both through their actions in terms of the major assets china is sending for the search, and through their words, they're ratcheting up the pressure on malaysia.
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our breaking news tonight. the search is back on for flight 370. and wit everyone hopes only answers. complicating the effort determining how far that plane flew after running out of few. tom forman shows us how investigators have been doing that. >> reporter: in terms of a primary search area, we're no longer talking about millions of square miles, but about 621,000 square miles. how do you break down something that big, even with a lot of assets? this is how it's done. imagine our plane coming in here over this search area in the indian ocean, and this is what they essentially do, they will impose a grid on the ocean. but all of the squares of this searchable area are not equal in value. for example, in this case, you might say the most likely place is the middle, because that's simply where all the averages come together. that's where you have chosen this square.
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that doesn't hold true necessarily as more evidence comes in. for example, they have some idea that if this plane were flying slower or faster, it could shift left or right. what about when it ran out of fuel? they don't know when it ran out of foul. and if this thing is flying 400, 500 miles an hour, very, very far off in terms of that distance. so if the fuel depleted quickly, at the earliest possible point and there was no glide at all, then you push your primary search area way up here. and the rest of it becomes a less important box. but if the opposite is true, if the fuel calculation is off so that it went as far as possible, and it glided as far as it can, a plane like this can glide well over 200 miles, now your primary search area moves much further
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away. that's why the box has to be so big to accommodate all these possibilities. and yet even as it has that size, they try to cut it down a step at a time to increase the probability they'll find this plane. >> testimoom, thank you very mu. that's why this news tonight is so significant, because it does help try to focus the area of the search if in fact the attempt at a hand shake is when one of the last engines went out, or perhaps when it went into the water. we want to look at the tools that search teams can use in the indian ocean and will use. sonars, hydrophones, waterproof microphones. stephanie elam is off a boat in the pacific ocean. >> reporter: it's really interesting technology and it's a difficult task. i'm joined by james coleman, and
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he's going to show us the hydrophone, show us the difference between this and son sonar. how does this work? >> this is a hydrophone and there's a number of varieties of them, but basically it's an underwater microphone. this is the kind of device they'll be using in order to listen for that underwater pinger. >> how far can it hear? >> only about five miles. you need to find the wreck site. >> if we go from this, let's take a look at the sonar. the sonar is what you're going to use if you get a little bit closer. >> this is an example of a sonar. it will emit sound and as it receives it back, it will build
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up a 3-d map. >> let's go inside and take a look at how this data is translating, starting off with the data coming in from the hydrophone and how that looks when you let this computer hear what it's picking up. >> the hydrophone, you could put it on your ears and listen to what's in the ocean and you're listening for that once per second click. this is a spectrum of the noise in the ocean. this is ocean noise here on the boat. if that pinger were nearby, we would see a sharp spike at the 30 to 40 kilahertz. >> you also have this coming in, which is the sonar, correct? >> exactly. this is the mapping sonar. we're looking below the boat and getting that information that comes back. we're building up a 3-d point cloud, as well as a visual display of what's down there. we have a pipeline, a tire, some different on struck shups.
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>> you can see that, and this put all together can tell you go back and look at it. unless you're right there, you're not going to be able to pick this information up, so you have to go through and look at this data very slowly. >> stephanie, how long does it take to scan an area of the ocean floor? >> well, in the southern indian ocean, because it is so deep there, you have to work to get this equipment as low as possible down to the ocean floor. and then trailing it behind you. think about how long that cable is going to be. you can't go too far or too fast because you might lose a connection. so you're talking about painstakingly slow work to go through the ocean, especially when you have not really a good idea where it is. it takes a very long time. to that explains why this process has been so long in the southern indian ocean. >> back with our panel. david sousi, richard quest and les abend.
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i'm really fascinated, and we talked about it at the top of the program, this partial attempt at a hand shake. let's zero in a little bit more what could have possibly caused that. do you believe the idea that perhaps as the plane went into the water, it might have caused a surge that would have attempted this partial hand shake, anything to that? >> surge is a wide term, but when i think of a surge, you're talking about an electrical supply difference, which in my mind wouldn't have caused that but what would have is the input, something being input into it. so yeah, i think that's highly probable. >> my scenario that this bus system that took over from this ram air turbine that we talked about at the top of the hour, that will surge.
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your instrument panel will momentarily go blank when you're using it, but that could be a surge situation there. >> richard, are we any closer to understanding, are investigators any closer to understanding whether or not the plane was on autopilot or annual control, given the turns we now know the aircraft made? >> no, we're not. we know the first turn, then the west turn, then there's the turn, the long turn that takes it down into the south indian ocean. clearly, no pilot is going to be standing there or sitting there holding the controls for the full several hours. i think that's highly unlikely for six, seven hours as the plane comes down until fuel exhaustion. but even if it's not on full autopilot, the plane will keep going. it's a myth that you take your hands off the controls and the
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thing turns. >> if both engines go out, and it depends how quickly they go out in terms of a turn or remaining straight, but how long can the plane just basically glide for? >> david can correct me on this, but it's going to reach its own natural stability. in this airplane, it's electronic stability. it's an airplane, it's going to fly even if it doesn't have power. that's what it is meant to do. >> if one engine goes out, it naturally finds its own center. say the right engine goes out, that wing will reach a flat spot and create more lift than this one. so that weight is underneath the center -- >> it can go for some distance? >> absolutely. i think 20 something miles. >> it depends on the altitude. >> i thank you.
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find out more on the search for flight 370 at cnn.com. just ahead, we'll talk about the ghost plane theory, the possibility that investigators are looking at that the plane was on autopilot for much of its journey, that the crew and passengers were incapacitated. plus, breaking news from inside the united states. up to two dozen now known dead in the landslide north of seattle. the search under way, has been under way all day for any survivors and for those still unaccounted for, new developments tonight, ahead. this is the first power plant in the country to combine solar and natural gas at the same location. during the day, we generate as much electricity
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welcome back. more breaking news as the death toll rises in the washington state land slide. up to two dozen people confirmed dead. the fire chief saying tonight two more people were pulled from the rubble and they believe they found eight more bodies. one of the victims found this morning has been identified as u.s. navy commander. the fire chief said that it's been a challenging search effort with so much debris. >> what we're finding is these vehicles are like twisted and tore up into like pieces.
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it's just amazing the magnitude and force this slide has created and what it's done. it's not just done that to cars, it's done that to these buildings. and so your carpeting and photo albums and streaks and boats and woodpiles and all these things, and all this mud that's heavy. >> one part of the mountain collapsed saturday morning north of seattle. a wall of mud buried everything in its bath. the debris field is a square mile. here are two 911 calls that have been released by authorities. >> we have a freaking mudslide. all i see is dirt. we watched hundreds of trees come falling out of -- i'm on sea post road highway 530. and there's not even a house here anymore. >> are there any injuries? >> yes. there's people yelling for help. >> my neighbor's house and their neighbor's house have been completely taken out. and it's collapsed on several of them.
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they're trapped. >> you know they're inside the home still? >> yes. i'm standing in the location right now and i can hear them tapping underneath and yelling at us. >> just hor risk. on saturday, rescuers found this 4-year-old boy stuck in the mud. tonight, the hope of finding anymore survivors is fading. the death toll has risen. gary tuchman joins me now. gary, what are they saying about how the search is going, are they even able to search at night? >> reporter: no, they're not able to do anything at night. it's pouring rain right now to boot. it's a very dangerous area. it's basically, anderson, it's like quick sand. some people described it as a mud tsunami. that's why they can't go full force at night. you could step in a hole that's
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five or six feet deep full of mud and water. it's very important to mention that emergency officials are telling us their top priority is still at this hour to possibly find survivors. we know those are not just empty words. we've seep it before in tornadoes and hurricanes that people have been found days or weeks later. but the sad news today, two more bodies found. they say they saw at least eight more bodies they can't get to. so they do believe at least 24 people are dead and maybe even more than that. there are hundreds of emergency officials at the scene. what we're being told is among the most valuable beings, and emphasize the word beings at the scene, are police dogs. >> what's been most effective is the dogs.
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when we go back to saturday when we had the most rescues, the most effective tool was the county sheriff's helicopter. going on the last three days, the most effective tool has been dogs and just our bare hands and shovels uncovering people. >> it's heroic work that they're doing and dangerous work. it is hard to get a sense of the scale of this from the images. we see them tearing down one house affected by this. do you have a sense of how many houses, how many structures were impacted by the mud? >> i mean, that's the thing, anderson. it's a relatively compact area compared to other disasters, like the earthquake in haiti, which is much of the country. this is a one-mile wide area. there's a blockade set up behind me. they're saying we don't need more rescuers, we have enough
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rescuers. but there are some residents who have been helping out with their all-terrain vehicles. but right now, it's very important for us to help out, although there are still people at the scene, they can't do much in the rain. it's expected to rain tomorrow. when the sun comes up, they will be out there hoping beyond hope they could find some survivors. >> gary, thank you very much. search teams did not find survivors and have not since saturday. for families, it is obviously the worst possible news. some have already resigned themselves to the worst. here's george howell. >> if you've seen the maps and the extent of the devastation, and the consistency of the mud, i can tell you with great soundness they're not going to tinld my parents or their daughter. i really feel that they're gone.
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>> reporter: it's almost like planning a funeral for loved ones but without any proof that they died. nicole is beyond hope that her parents, tom and marcie, along with her daughter and fiance, are still alive. >> it might be weeks or ever if they find our people. so today is the first day that we're getting there. we're going to go and just be with our people and grieve together. >> reporter: their only focus now is to come together as a family. for nicole, that means getting as close to her parents and daughter as possible. their home, undoubtedly demolished in the disaster zone. >> it's just fabulous to see how they're all supporting each other, to hold people that knew my daughter. she was a cheerleader in high school in 2010.
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it's just good. it's healing. >> reporter: they came here to see these volunteers, offering help to other families who have been affected. and to ask simple but now complicated questions. nicole's aunt wants to know how to close her brother's affairs. >> what do i do now? what if they don't recover my brother's body? what do i do? >> reporter: amongst all the uncertainty, the decisions and wondering, they reflect on a bit of solace. >> it would be great to get a body. but i understand. if we can't we can't they're in the right spot. they actually had plans to have a family funeral plot on their place. my brother and sister love that place. so if they had to go and stay. >> reporter: george howell, cnn, derington, washington. >> i talked to her yesterday on the program. people wonder why they talk publicly in her time of grief. she said she wanted people to
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know that she wanted to publicly thank all the first responders who were out there risking their lives, searching. and she just wanted to let people know the impact that this event has had on this small town, a town where many people know each other and are connected one to another. and just the devastating impact this has had on their community. up next, with so many questions remaining about flight 370, we'll take a look at the ghost plane theory, the idea that the jet flew on automatic pilot for hours. a theory that investigators are looking at, perhaps even after the passengers and crew were unconscious. and why the black boxes may not solve this mystery even if they are found. gunderman group is a go. yes! not just a start up. an upstart. gotta get going. gotta be good. good? good. growth is the goal. how do we do that? i talked to ups. they'll help us out. new technology. smart advice. we focus on the business and they take care of the logistics. ups? good going.
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as the search continues for any wreckage of flight 370, so continues the search for answers. the big question, what happened to this plane? the mystery led to a lot of different avenuavenues for investigators. right now we want to look at the ghost theory, that the plane continued to fly on autopilot until it ran out of fuel. it happens rarely. it does happen. it has happened. so we'll go to martin savidge to see what that might look like from the flight simulator. so martin, explain that idea, what it would look like due a loss of pressurization or some
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other incident. >> reporter: ghost plane, zombie plane, plane without a brain. it would begin with an alarm, could be fire or sudden decompression. pilot puts it into a very steep decent. at the same time the aircraft begins to turn. the idea is you want to get this plane heading back to some airport. so we would head back to kuala lumpur or the closest airport. but you're descending, because you only have so much oxygen. the passengers have had the mask flop down in front of them, they only have about ten minutes. so you have to get down to an altitude where everyone could breathe, 12,000 or 10,000 feet. but for this scenario, you stabilize. you get the aircraft back into a reasonable position.
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you level off. you apparently have figured out it's not that severe and you get it on automatic pilot or you put it on automatic pilot and you're overcome by smoke or lack of oxygen. you pass out, passengers pass out. airplane has plenty of fuel, on a predetermined course and it will now fly for hours until it runs out of fuel. so that's the scenario. we don't know if it really happened that way, but many speculate it could have. >> miles o'brian, though, the plane did make several turns. so would that be possible under an autopilot scenario? >> that is highly unlikely. what that pilot would have done is what marty and his friend, mitchell, did in the simulator. they would turn around, do a 180, head back to land, get back
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to 10,000 feet and if they were overcome, the plane would continue on that heading. what we see from the data that was released today are two additional turns. two additional turns. one tend sends them up to the northwest, the other to the area where we're searching. so in the heat of that battle, as it were, were they have put in extra wait points? it didn't take him to an airport that was close by, so unfortunately, that's where this theory tends to fall down. there must have been something else going down. >> richard, as you look at the map and we were looking at it, it does lock as if -- there's an argument to be made that the plane was trying to avoid indonesian air space. >> if you look at the map, that turn that miles was talking about to the northwest, then to the south, it's not just -- that
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last turn south appeared to avoid indonesian air space deliberately, or at least going over land of indonesia. now, if you were an extremist, first of all, you're going over malaysia again and there are airports where you could land there, and secondly, there are plenty of places with a may day call that you could have landed in indonesia. then you've got this southwest -- or this south turn before you get this long journey down into the south indian ocean. so the ghost plane theory is there, and in 2005, everybody was overcome except for one flight attendant who got to the cockpit. they scrambled -- this was in cyprus. they scrambled fighters and the fighters watched the plane all the way to the ground.
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they watched the engines flame out on both sides and watched it go into the mountainside. that was on autopilot that. is an example of what would have happened. >> martin savidge, if a plane runs out of fuel, as is believed happened here, how does a plane this size enter the water? are there different scenarios? is it a glide down? >> reporter: these are things we've been trying to simulate. put it into neutral, if you will, and we'll show you. we can't shut the engines off, the simulator doesn't allow that. but we have tried this, put the engines in neutral, take the plane off of autopilot and then you let go of the controls and the aircraft is designed that it's built to fly. even though the engines are no longer running in this scenario,
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the plane is designed to be level and controlled and to make a slow descent and we are doing that. now, again, it's a simulator, so of course the engines, it's possible one would flame out after the other. mitchell believes that one engine would compensate automatically for that, right? >> yeah. we have a compensator in this aircraft, the 777. so yes. in an event of an emergency, i'm not sure if you had electrical power if that would happen. but any airplane, big or small, most of the time it's going to be designed to be stable. >> we're still descending and still level. it's possible that you could wing over and die. >> miles, what is so -- the thing about this is that no matter what theory you look at, that investigators are looking at, there are holes in each one. there are questions that can be raised that don't make it
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obvious what happened. >> yeah, we don't have anything clear cut here. i like the guys in the simulator to try one idea. let's assume the left engine is the first engine to be started generally. let's assume the left engine flamed out first. if you guys could put it -- and let's go with the 12,000 foot altitude, which we've been talking about. i don't believe a lot of these altitude numbers we've been hearing about it. so put it on autopilot with asymmetrical thrust with the left engine off. if one engine is going full gun, the other is down, will the autopilot still hold heading or disen gauge and start turning to the left?
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this would be helpful for the searchers. then we could get an idea how far it might be able to fly on one engine, and if, in fact, it would stay on heading. that's all useful information that might help us. >> mitchell, do we know? >> i can try it here. it would take some time. >> reporter: we're at 22,000 feet. >> what is your sense of what might happen, do you know, mitchell? >> yeah, i think the compensator, if there's electrical power in the airplane, then it would compensate. that's what it's designed to do. but we don't know if it had electrical power, and that's the key question. >> we'll be on at 11:00 and try that out. appreciate our panel being with us. up next, searchers racing against time to find the black boxes before they stop pinging. the question is, will they help solve the mystery?
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hopefully it will give investigators some clues as to what happened. the voice data recorder could be key to solving the mystery. even if those black boxes are found they may not answer all the questions. randi kaye looks at some past examples. >> reporter: this is the sound of a pilot in trouble. that was the pilot of swissair flight 111 talking to air traffic control just minutes before he crashed into the atlantic ocean in 1998. everyone on board was killed. when crash investigators found the plane's black boxes at the bottom of the ocean, they were stunned. >> both the recorders stopped recording about six minutes before the aircraft actually hit the water. >> reporter: leaving investigators to wonder why they suddenly lost control of the plane. it was a fire, they later found, in the jet's entertainment system which also caused the black boxes to fail.
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but it took putting the plane back together, all 2 million pieces of it, to figure that out. bottom line, the so-called black boxes aren't perfect. and they're not black, either. they're usually orange. on an airplane they're tucked inside an insulated case and surrounded by stainless steel. they're built to withstand temperatures as high as 2,000 degrees fahrenheit and catastrophic impact. after twa flight 800 went down in july 1996, just 12 minutes after takeoff from new york's jfk airport, the plane's black boxes were recovered but they offered little. >> both the voice recorder and the data recorder terminated their operation within a nano second of each other. when the explosion took place. >> reporter: still, despite all the conspiracy theories investigators say they figured out an explosion in the fuel tank caused the the crash and shut down the recorders.
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>> on 9/11, 64 people died onboard american airlines flight 77 when it slammed into the pentagon. fire crews spent days trying to put out the flames. the two black boxes were found in the wreckage, but the cockpit voice recorder was too charred to offer anything of value. >> it flew in with such force, and the fire was so intense, that nothing could have survived that impact. >> reporter: if the black boxes are ever recovered from malaysia airlines flight 370, investigators still may have questions. the cockpit voice recorder starts recording over itself after two hours. so the moment something went very wrong may remain a mystery. randi kaye, cnn, new york. with me again david souci
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and les abend. is one more important than the other? >> they both complement each other. in this particular case, you know, there's a lot of supposition with reference to the cvr, the cockpit voice recorder may not have any information other than the fact that if it goes blank for the last two hours, there's no talking. >> because it's taped over -- >> right. >> what would be most fascinating would be immediately after the signoff and the turn, which you may not have on there. >> but the fact that it's blank will tell you something also, that there was no control over the airplane, which we're speculating about. >> and the data recorder, how extensive is the data? >> you have a lot of information. you can tell where the flaps were, the engine, the speed, the vibrations in the engines. there's so much information that can be used in that. >> that's all paired up with the cockpit voice recorder and all the data into a program that you
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can track the airplane through its entirety. >> is there -- the technology exists that this could be, i don't know if extreme is the right word, but transmitted in real time, couldn't it? >> absolutely. maritime ships do it all the time. if the ship goes down in maritime, it's sending up information where it is, what the position is, what its speed and direction is. >> so planes could do this, it's just an expense for the airlines? >> yeah, it's an experience for the airline, yeah. >> we might have discussed this last night, but in the north atlantic, it's required because of the -- what's required for navigation. >> the heavy traffic. >> yeah, but there's what we call track systems. there's a lot of airplanes at night going to europe. so this is part of that system. so that is available. >> it was interesting just seeing the video in randi's piece, the black boxes are kept in water after they're found. can you explain why? >> if you have anything that's in saltwater and you take it
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out, you see those white crystals? so if the container is breached, you want to make sure it doesn't start getting that salt on it and oxidizing pieces inside. so you want to keep nit there so when you do take it out there in a controlled environment, you can control that corrosion. >> fascinating. we'll be right back. when does your work end? does it end after you've expanded your business? after your company's gone public? and the capital's been invested? or when your company's bought another? is it over after you've given back? you never stop achieving. that's why, at barclays, our ambition is to always realize yours. save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.d everybody knows that.
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thn cnn breaking news. >> hello, this is a cnn special report. i'm don lemon. the watt street journal is reporting this. a final partial ping, but human intervention has been ruled out. planes are in the air, crisscrossing the southern indian ocean. and meantime, the first lawsuit has been filed against malaysian airlines. and you've been tweeting questions like this one. could there have been