probably where the plane actually crashed, could be hundreds of miles away. >> it will be a difficult process. ryan abernathy, we will continue the conversation with you. thanks very much. that's it for me. i am back at 5:00 p.m. eastern. a two hour edition of "the situation room." newsroom with brooke baldwin starts right now. wolf, thank you. hi there, brooke baldwin. news just in to cnn. defense secretary chuck hagel says he is not ruling out anything, including terrorism in the disappearance of this plane, this flight 370. but as for the hunt for the plane itself, could this finally be the breakthrough for the search for flight 370. look at this with me. what you're looking at is called the most credible lead so far. new satellite imagery showing 122, very precise here, 122 objects floating in the southern

indian ocean. some do appear to be big, the size possibly of a wing. some a little smaller, perhaps the size of a seat. >> we are able to identify 122 potential objects. some objects were mitten length, others as much as 23 meters in length. some objects appear to be bright, indicating solid material. >> these images that we're focusing on were taken by a french satellite sunday. the objects are about 1600 miles from perth in australia. and the debris field itself is believed to be scattered across some 150 square miles. this is a big area. we have been saying this, time and time again, but the other complication here, it is a moving target. talk about chaotic currents here, this ocean is hostile. you see how rough it is by

looking at this video. this is an example of what the searchers are up against in this part of the world in the southern indian ocean. let me tell you about this. another big development. we also know they tracked the plane via a series of pings. we are learning the last one heard is a mysterious partial pinni ping, could be triggered by outage of power, perhaps as it was hitting the water. let's go to a senior correspondent in kuala lumpur. you talk about this potential lead, possible debris field, the real question is when are they getting out there to find the actual debris? >> reporter: right. so what's happened is the weather has been particularly bad. they had to ground some of the flights at some point this week. we do know that today was a good

day to fly. there were flights that could last a bit longer. they could see a bit better. it wasn't as choppy. the winds not going gale force. they were not able to find the 122 floating objects that the satellite was able to show. we know that it is, those objects, in the same area they have been searching. as you mention, it is such a large area, it is very, very difficult to find. we heard one searcher talk about the fact it is not like a needle in a hay stack, it is like a needle in a hay stack and you're not sure where the hay stack is. so very difficult to find it. the search continues and will continue. it is a multi national search. you have countries that have all come in and come together to try and find this debris. the key being that they have to physically put their eyes on this, and then be able to get hold of it to try and confirm what it is that they are looking

at. if it turns out to be just rubbish that happens to be in the water, that's one thing, but they will hopefully be able to find it so they can determine if it had anything to do with missing flight 370. >> and possibly reverse the currents, find the wreckage and find the box to answer the questions. from the search we hear more about the stories from the passengers, you talked to the wife of a missing passenger. what did she tell you? >> reporter: she was like all the families here in kuala lumpur, those in beijing. heartbroken. she doesn't yet believe because she herself has not seen physical evidence, has nothing to go on but the words from officials who have been very clear saying they believe all 239 passenger and crew aboard mh 370 are not alive, and did end

up in the indian ocean where the plane crashed. but she says she simply can't believe that. so she herself doesn't want to believe it, and she has been unable to tell her two children. she has two young boys, age one and five, because she simply doesn't have the courage, brooke. >> what have you said to your children about what's happened to your husband, their father? >>translator: i don't bear to. i have no courage. every day i am scared to call my sons because once i call them, they will say daddy, mommy. my heart can't handle it. i don't want to hurt my children. >> reporter: she was describing how difficult it has been as a mother and as a wife, and she's still here, waiting for her husband. she is not going anywhere until she sees some physical evidence that he is gone forever. brooke? >> we will hear more stories

from the family members in the next two hours. thank you for sharing that. let's go back to the satellite images, joining me from houston, texas, leo row main, a satellite image specialist. when the news broke and we showed pictures to experts bright and early on the morning show, i kept hearing wows from experts here. you're the professional. you looked at the pictures. you tell me what you see here. >> yeah, those satellite images were 1-b satellite, operated by airbus defense and space. this is a satellite sensor with .5 meter resolution and as you can see on the objects, looks like the collection angle was very suitable to obtain the reflection from the sun. it just depends how the image is

physically collected, but there's a lot of reflection. >> what does that tell you, metal perhaps? >> yeah, it is really good. i mean, this is one of the best images. now there are several images of course. we have 16th of march, 18th. and now this image. and that all comes in a row, so you have the position of the previous debris, and now you can backtrack and find out the course and combining this together with the signals, i think the search area will be narrowed down. they're going to eventually find the aircraft. it is all a good sign. >> let's hope so for the families, this could be hugely significant here. just to remind everyone, these pictures, we keep talking about different satellite pictures, they're from several days ago. this one specifically taken sunday, and only acted upon

today, which you know, for someone who doesn't look at satellite imagery as a job, makes you think doesn't it compromise their worth? why the delay getting out there and finding this? >> we are covering a large area. all of the satellite operators, digital globe, we are using radar satellites and it is a huge area to cover, and then the data needs to be analyzed and that all takes time. everybody wants to know where the aircraft went down and it is going to take time to physically find that location, the more data we have, the better to obtain the information. >> mr. romain, let me pause and show the viewers. we took this image, this is google earth, it is about an hour old. what it shows, it shows all of the different satellites whose orbits take them near the search area. my question to you is since you

know about satellites, are there enough in this particular area of the world we're talking about, and if not, could you move them so they could all be taking pictures of the southern indian ocean? >> these satellites are coming over at least once a day in this particular area. some of them because we're getting far south might even come over two times a day. can track it down well. there are sufficient resources available to cover the area. >> is it possible, throw this out there, that as this plane was flying southward and ultimately landed according to the malaysian government in the southern indian ocean, is it possible a satellite could have clicked a picture of the plane itself? >> no, because of the weather conditions in this particular area is very bad, there's hardly any clear imagery available. and it is definitely very, very difficult to catch that. and most of the time commercial

satellites do not collect imagery over oceans. most satellites weren't tasked to do that. >> thank you for the expertise, i truly appreciate it as we watch the biggest lead so far. the missing jet sent a partial ping. my next guest says it could mean a fire on board. he'll explain that hypothesis. also, we show you inside this flight simulator. in a matter of moments, you're about to get a look at the underwater vehicle that could find this missing aircraft. we will show you how it works live. this is cnn's special coverage. you really love, what would you do?" ♪ [ woman ] i'd be a writer. [ man ] i'd be a baker. [ woman ] i wanna be a pie maker. [ man ] i wanna be a pilot. [ woman ] i'd be an architect. what if i told you someone could pay you and what if that person were you?

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welcome back, i am brooke baldwin, getting some breaking news, talking about flight 370. got news in from the fbi. we're learning the fbi director says his agency will be investigating hard drives, from not just the pilot, we talked about his at home simulator, and the deleted files, they're going through those once they recover those, which they say they will. we are looking at what the fbi is saying, they will be looking at the hard drive from computers from both the pilot and co-pilot. so that's new from the fbi. back to the possible debris field, those are pictures, pilot on the left, co-pilot on the right. let's get back to the 122 objects. it could be the big break these families have been waiting for to help solve the mystery. once again, putting these on the screen, these are satellite images from a french defense

company. the objects are scattered in this massive area. this is a 154 square mile area, about 1600 miles off australia, and it is 2:15 local time in perth. in a couple hours when daybreak happens, search planes will head out again for a closer look and the potential debris field may tell us approximately where flight 370 ended. but still, not why. an aviation specialist says mechanical problem makes the most sense to him. given what we know, and it is not a lot, but we're learning a little more, he hypothesizes a smoldering fire in the electronics and engineering compartment. welcome back. i read your piece two times through here, it is very specific, points zero through 11. let me have you simplify it for

everyone. how do you contend the airplane flew so far south into the indian ocean in your hypothetical scenario? >> well, all of the theories that we have are still theories and speculation, say that over and over. even mine has holes in it, you just pointed out, made a great point, that the bottom line is how did it fly because my experience with jet engines, even efficient jet engines, how it got that far into the southern indian ocean, i can't tell you. especially at low altitude. if it was higher altitude, it makes sense. there's holes in every theory and every speculative idea we have come up with. >> why are you saying fire? >> it is a gut thing. just by the fact that the last verbal communication indicated everything was okay with the airplane, and then what we seem to confirm as credible

information, a left turn is to me a turn that involves a diversionary airport, and it is a crew that may be fighting a potential -- what makes the most sense is we talked about decompression, we talked about the fire scenario. the fire scenario makes more sense because now we have an airplane that ends up in the middle of nowhere and i see the crew being overcome by a slow burning smoke situation that might be toxic and eventually when breathing under stress with oxygen mask knowing if you have smoke, if you stay at altitude or even descending, you're going to breathe like you would in a scuba dive situation, more stress you're under, you breathe. you take down the oxygen tank provided for you in emergency circumstances, and that seems to be the most viable theory that works for me at this point in

time, but it's got holes. >> this is a morbid thought that popped into my mind. if the pilot and co-pilot were compromised even with the oxygen mask, et cetera, is it possible it was a couple hours before it ended up in the ocean, could the people in the cockpit be compromised and people in the cabin okay? >> that's a great question. i very much doubt it. if something effected the cockpit, it would effect the cabin by the way the airplane is designed. in simple terms, the cockpit actually gets mostly fresh air as opposed to recirculated air that passengers get, not that it is bad air, just that it is more efficient to recirculate air. that creates higher pressure in the cockpit to prevent just that circumstance from smoke from entering the cockpit. >> one final question as we talk about the partial ping. there were a series of pings,

hearing a pilot say this could be a hint to what happened. why could this be a big deal, what could a partial ping be, when a plane hits the water? >> the ping aspect is above my pay grade. it is incredible what these folks -- >> forgive me for throwing that at you. >> no, it is fine. where i was going with this is that to me, i discussed this on another program was that it is possible that that might have been the last engine that burned, ran out of fuel. when that happens, the airplane is designed to automatically deploy a system, a rat as we call it in the business, and that will allow for electricity and some hydraulics. so what it could have indicated was a transfer of power, very quickly, because that bus may not -- the bus that powers that satellite system that created the ping may not be on that emergency rat system, if that

makes sense. >> more or less. more or less. just being honest. les, you're a wealth of knowledge. i know i have more questions, viewers have more questions. see you in a bit. thank you for now. coming up, satellite images that captured these objects offer a glimmer of hope. we talk to an oceanographer that says not so fast. why that area of the ocean could offer startling false positives. and the search for missing flight 370 goes underwater, here she is, rosa flores, with a closer look at the high tech tools investigators are deploying to take them miles and miles below the ocean surface and could help find this missing aircraft. [ female announcer ] hands were made for playing.

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the search for malaysia airlines flight 370 has so far primarily been focus odd n what can be seen on the surface of the ocean. soon the search will go underwater. we keep showing you new satellite images that show 122 objects floating in the southern indian ocean. and now investigators are searching for the plane, they're using high tech tools to begin an undersea search of the area. rosa flores is live for us now with this demo in golden meadows, louisiana. so tell me where you are, rosa, and how this thing works. >> reporter: yeah, so this is a multi million dollar piece of equipment that dives into the ocean miles deep and gets a map of the ocean floor. take a look, it is an auv, autonomous underwater vehicle.

it uses side skin sonar. and it has sensors all around the body of this probe so it can avoid obstacles. it has a gps system, it is important to know where this piece of equipment is at all times. i am going to show you how this works. i am going to ask brian to start launching for us. this probe is owned by cnc technologies. we are on the miss ginger in golden meadow, louisiana. it is important to note that this particular probe has been used in the deep sea to find plane wreckage before. now, we're going to show you here a demonstration of how this piece of equipment is deployed into the water. normally it is out in the deep sea, it is out into the ocean, so it is not tethered. we are tethered today only because this is a demonstration, and we are on the dock. but i'm going to show you, brooke, how this happens and how

it works once it gets deployed. so what happens is it gets deployed into the water. it goes several miles deep, and you're going to see that it floats. so at that point a team in the control room would program a mission for this particular probe and then it would take off. and it would immediately start sending data back to the control room that would give experts an idea of what's on the ocean floor. and you know, brooke, time is of the essence here. as soon as that search area is narrowed, one of these probes could be the first eyes on the wreckage scene. brooke? >> as we look at this, this is pretty cool to see live, is this something that's listening for pings of the boxes, is it taking pictures? what happens when the juice on the boxes die? >> reporter: well, this piece of equipment is highly customized by cnc technologies.

they were saying they could put something in there that listens for the pings. in the case of the mh-370, we know there's a separate pinger locator that specifically has a listening device that's looking for that ping. this would be the secondary device, an auv that would go to that narrowed area because the ping would isolate the debris field and then this would specifically look for oddities, brooke, on the ocean floor that appear to be a wreckage. so the experts in the control room would then mark those and say this stands out, let's send the probe again and get some still photos. and there you have it. those could be the first eyes on the wreckage. >> amazing. rosa flores in golden meadow, louisiana. thank you so much to you and the crew for showing us how at that high tech piece of equipment works. back to the satellite images, my

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you're looking for a place for your life to happen. zillow. welcome back. i'm brooke baldwin. special coverage continues on cnn. we are almost at week three of false leads and conflicting theories in the hunt for this plane. this may change everything though. take a look. a new satellite image showing a precise number, 122 objects, floating in the southern indian ocean. some appear to be big, maybe the size of a wing. some appear to be much smaller here. this debris field spans a massive area, 150 square miles. as possible sightings increase, the search area was divided into two sections, the east and west. the poe side ennis taking over the west zone.

as for the notion terrorists may have taken over the plane, we heard from chuck hagel saying the u.s. is not ruling anything out. back to the satellite picture. 122 objects are in one of the most hostile environments on earth, case in point, look at this video. southern indian ocean home to towering waves, swirling currents, winds that change direction like a pin ball. so florida state university oceanographer ian mcdonald joins me from tallahassee. you're the pro here. throw the picture back up of the satellite. to my untrained eye, i see a lot of specks. what do you see? >> this is positive indication that the searchers are getting closer to the origin of the crash, but there are many uncertainty. there could be many objects floating in the ocean that are large or small that are completely unrelated to the crash. we know in different parts of the ocean, the north pacific, there's what's called the

garbage jire. many pieces of debris that have nothing to do with the crash. the uncertainty of the origin of these objects puts a level of doubt into this. >> let's take it a step further, talking about that ocean junk, that's a possibility, one. another possibility people brought up on twitter, remnants from the japan tsunami or pieces -- i know it is not a popular shipping channel, but perhaps something that had fallen off a ship. are those viable possibilities? >> those are viability possibilities. what you have are two intersecting processes of uncertainty. one, we don't know exactly what this stuff is until the searchers get it in their hands. and then we don't know where it originated in the ocean. so our best bet is to track back to the earliest sighting, the 16th of march, and run

simulations about where objects would have traveled between the 16th and the 8th when the crash occurred. so we need to back calculate where the objects may have come from and then hope the objects were actually from the plane so that would zero in the search. >> this is what strikes me, ian, you're the oceanographer, you see these pictures, this part of the world and the chaotic currents and the fact that despite that you see, i don't know if it is a debris field, but it is 122 distinct pieces in one general area, what could explain that they're all certainly not intact but floating together like that? >> as i said, i think this is a very positive indication, and it probably is. probably a lot of these things are from the airplane, but there could be objects that are not related to the airplane. >> the false positives that you referred to. >> the false positives, exactly. and once again, we're up against

this problem of not really knowing very much about the ocean. this is a very remote region. it isn't studied by oceanographers. they don't look at it routinely with satellites unlike the north atlantic and other regions, and we don't know much about the sea floor under this region. so the searchers are getting closer and we can hope there will be answers soon, but there's still a long way to go and a great deal of uncertainty. >> final question. given the level of uncertainty, of all places in the world this plane could have hit water, is this like the worst possible place? >> well, it gets worse as you go further south in this part of the world, that's for sure, but this is very challenging, so it could be farther from australia, even more difficult for the planes to reach there, it could be closer to antarctica and have worse currents. this is an extremely challenging environment and we have to be grateful of the service of

searchers trying to close in on this and tell us what happened. >> absolutely. ian mcdonald, thank you so much for joining me. coming up, why we haven't seen any satellite images from specifically the united states. we will talk to some experts about that. also ahead, the absolute utter devastation, the catastrophe in the west. scores of people still unaccounted for after the landslide, and now we're hearing folks there were warned but went to great measures to stay. you will hear why. also ahead, dramatic new video of rescue of a four-year-old little boy. do not miss this. stay with me. you're watching special cnn coverage. i'm randy, and i quit smoking with chantix.

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the absolutely heart breaking search for survivors in snohomish county extends and intensifies. rescue teams found more bodies

buried under the aftermath of saturday's massive landslide, so the official death toll now, 16. 8 more bodies spotted in the mud. the thing is, search crews can't get to them. so many people still unaccounted for and to this video here, the rescue of a four-year-old boy just released. watch this with me here. this is when emergency crews managed to pull little jacob spillers out of the rubble he once called home. his father and three siblings who are still inside are trapped. when state patrol officers arrived on scene, they couldn't believe what they saw. want you to listen to the 911 call. >> we are looking at a catastrophic event here. we have whitman road taken out by a slide. the river is backing up, upstream. >> could this have been avoided? a 2010 report conducted in

snohomish county warned of land slides and potential danger. the map from that very report showing risky regions. take a look, you will see more mauve colored markings. if you look closely in the upper right of the screen, that sizable color block is the town of darrington. let's bring in geologist, university of washington professor, david montgomery. david, welcome to you. let's get right to if we can the rescues. talk about the hazards that the crews are facing. i know you've said this is really a nightmare scenario when you have this hill side made of silt and sand, it liquifies and spills and you have quick sand, do you not? >> yeah. essentially it is very similar to that. getting your foot in it would be difficult, slick, hard to walk on. you couldn't ask for worse conditions to try to conduct a rescue operation. it is very difficult conditions. >> can you be specific? how do you even carry something like that out given what you're

dealing with? >> well, it would be hard to move through. ideally it would dry out. that's not happening, the rain is not cooperating and there's a river contributing additional moisture into the area, makes it very difficult to move in and to actually be able to move around, to mobilize, to be able to conduct any work. simply hard to even move. just the worst conditions you could imagine for trying to do that in. >> worst conditions. we know as far as the slide, it is the most violent, damaging. there have been slides there for decades. i understand people there have been warned. in fact, early you're today, the county ema director defended comments attributed to him about this area being safe. take a listen. >> let me clarify the word safe and what i was referring to. in 2006 there was the original slide. we all now know that. it was a pretty decent size slide that effected the community pretty good. a lot of mitigation wednesday into the river, millions of

dollars of work. the objective was to shore up the side and to allow control of the channel so the channel didn't move anywhere else. part of it also that it would essentially catch small land slides sluffing off one side or the other that would come through. that was in 2006. we have been through, good grief, a lot of floods, and that community felt safe because of that mitigation effort. it was extensive. people knew this was a landslide prone area. sometimes big events just happen. sometimes large events that nobody sees happen. and this event happened, and i want to find out why. >> so to you, i will pose that question, david montgomery, why if they had this mitigation after the 2006 slide, why now? >> well, the proximate cause was the rainfall. the mitigation efforts were to

attempt to keep the river from further cutting the toe out of the landslide. the ancient landslide that was a piece of that re-activated was immense. the ability to engineer one's way out of the potential hazard there is probably just not available, not feasible. so efforts were made to try to prevent the river from further exacerbating a naturally very unstable slope. that slope had failed many times since the 1940s, as i understand it, every decade or two. unfortunately, the slide that happened this time was bigger, involved more hill slope, was more destructive, went farther across the liver, obliterated the flood plain. that was bigger than the slides that happened there before. if you look on the laser data, there's evidence of larger slides in the path. this occurrence is an example of how someday geologists warn may happen, can come to be today.

>> whether people should have been there, whether people should remain there, all in question after this tremendously horrible landslide. david montgomery, thank you for joining me. coming up next, we go back to special coverage of missing flight 370. grief stricken family members struggling to deal with lack of answers. you're about to hear one man's frustration with officials, his emotional plea, and why he isn't believing the malaysian government next. [ male announcer ] this is jim. a man who doesn't stand still. but jim has afib, atrial fibrillation, an irregular heartbeat not caused by a heart valve problem. that puts jim at a greater risk of stroke. for years, jim's medicine tied him to a monthly trip to the clinic to get his blood tested. but now, with once-a-day xarelto jim's on the move. jim's doctor recommended xarelto. like warfarin, xarelto is proven effective to reduce afib-related stroke risk. but xarelto is the first and only once-a-day prescription blood thinner

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as the days continue to mount, flight 370 vanished, so has the frustration for so many families who have not seen their loved one in close to three weeks now. for one son, this day has brought a tipping point. he is breaking his silence to members of the media and talked with pauline chu about why many relatives are absolutely outraged. >> me and most of the relatives here are seeking for the truth, the truth about what happened to the plane and the truth about where it was. that's what we want. >> why don't you believe the data and answers from the malaysian government? you said time and time again that you believe the malaysian government is hiding something. >> yes. >> why do you believe that? >> well, because the conclusion is just by theory, just by analysis from the satellite

data, there's no direct evidence, so i don't believe in such conclusion. >> the data from the satellite company and from the u.k. aviation authority has been collected and the malaysian authorities have taken that into account. when you take into account the amount of fuel that the plane would have had at that point, they're saying the logical conclusion is that it was in this part of the southern corridor, in the southern indian ocean. why is that not good enough for you? >> because it is still a theory. it is still an analysis, no one have seen anything, and they just said at the last 8:11 where it should be, where it might be, and it should be turn back and they said that it is based on the basically speed for the whole theory. but if the plane changed speed

or changed height, it may change to another result, so i don't believe it. >> you had said that you're realistic, but at the same time you feel most families are sort of 80% ready for bad news 20% hoping for good news. where do you stand? >> to me, i think it might be 5% that there is still hope, and -- but most of the families don't believe that it might be bad news, most of the families still think that there will be hope. >> 5% hope for yourself, hope for what? >> that it was still negotiated by a hijacker or the government or something like that, and they're just imprisoned by some of the hire jackers or something like that, and that they're still negotiating i think.

if they make a deal, maybe our family back. >> an indication of what the families are going through and thinking, day 18, 19. pauline chu with that interview this morning. malaysia's prime minister explained he decided to make that official announcement monday because he didn't want the government to be seen as purposely hiding information. in an address to parliament in kuala lumpur, he said the statement was based on, quote, the most conclusive information we have. coming up next, we heard today from the u.s. secretary of defense saying they cannot yet rule out terrorism. we will talk to an expert, see what he thinks about that. also ahead, what are the chances this plane could still be intact somewhere in the ocean? what would that tell us about the cause? stay with me. you're watching cnn special live coverage. [ male announcer ] at his current pace, bob will retire when he's 153, which would be fine if bob were a vampire. but he's not. ♪ he's an architect with two kids and a mortgage.

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back to the new developments today in the search for the missing plane. in a matter of hours, military planes and ships will scour the southern indian ocean, hoping to find these 122 objects spotted in the new satellite images by a french defense firm. and it could be, i say that, could, maybe be part of the missing plane here. we heard all kinds of theories about how the plane could have disappeared, terrorism included in that list. just a short time ago, the u.s. defense secretary chuck hagel confirmed he has not ruled out that possibility. >> i don't think at this point we can rule anything in or out. i think we have to continue to as much as we are and you know the united states continues to stay committed. we have aircraft in the area working out of malaysia, and perth. as you know, we moved two of our most sophisticated locaters to the perth area, so until we have

more information we don't know. >> let's talk about what he said. les abend. when you hear this from the u.s. defense secretary, not ruling out terrorism here, almost to week three, what is your reaction to that. >> my reaction, that's a smart statement. i am not ruling out anything, i'm not stuck to a particular theory. i know i have written an article with regards to the scenario of fire and smoke, but there are holes in that theory, as there is in a hijacking theory also. >> okay. let me run through a couple questions we have been getting from viewers, and combing the twitter. here is one from a number of viewers, wondering what are the lanc chances the plane could be intact somewhere in the ocean? >> highly improbable, highly improbable, even if the airplane

touched down in a controlled fashion, with pilots at the controls, waves, it is very difficult. this is not a hudson river type scenario. this is, you know, a scenario with major swells, and if it did touch down, we'd be thinking about survivors because the rafts would be deployed and we would be in a whole other situation because the rafts have emergency locator transmitters on them. >> next question, honestly, people are wondering and wanting to find the bright orange data recorder, known as the black box. i know three weeks into this, they're bolted into the tail, they're aluminum, in the tail, able to withstand a head on crash. what about the question, why not make black boxes so they can float, les. >> well, then you would probably not be able to put it in the structural part of the airplane that would protect it. i think there's more. there's better ways that we have

talked about with reference to having a streaming data type system that we can always locate the airplane, very much like we operate in the north atlantic. >> les abends, thank you very much. cnn analyst, i am sure we will talk again soon. now this. we roll on, top of the hour, i am brooke baldwin. take a look at this picture. this is the much discussed picture today, possibly the best lead we've had so far. new satellite pictures showing a possible debris field in the southern indian ocean. malaysia says some of the objects appear to be quite large, like perhaps the size of a wing. >> we are able to identify 122 potential objects. some objects were a meter in length, others were as much as 23 meters in length. some of the objects appear to be

bright, possibly indicating solid material. >> but i want you to look at what they have to go through in finding these pieces, possible plane debris, violent, chaotic current conditions. this debris field called a moving target. you have rough seas, changing the location of the debris search zone each and every day. while the search narrows, we still don't know why the plane may have ended up in this remote part of the world, but we have just learned this straight from the fbi, fbi analysis of the pilot's hard drives, including deleted files, should be completed soon. meantime, a mysterious ping could be the key to knowing more. this is the last one in a series of pings tracking the plane down the southern corridor. this one was different. this is significant here. it wasn't a full ping, it was a

partial ping. some aviation experts say could be triggered by a catastrophic event like the plane hiltittinge ocean. let's go to will ripley working the story for days. will ripley, great, they see the satellite imagery. tell me when they get the planes and boats out there to find this stuff. >> reporter: yeah, the planes are taking off about three hours from now, brooke. you can bet they're going to be heading towards the area they think the debris field, possible debris field may be located in. here is the challenge. the satellite pictures are three days old, taken when the seas were very rough. huge waves, gale force winds. this debris has moved since then. while pilots are going to have sort of an idea where to look, it is a moving target as you mentioned, location changing every single day. satellite imagery is not precise as well. you have a window of area that you have to look through. there are a number of factors.

we have 12 planes from 6 countries. they divided into two sectors, east and the west. they fly four hours out, search with all available daylight. these planes can stay in the air 10 to 12 hours. also have five ships in the area, and you mentioned two under sea detection devices that haven't been deployed. the minute they have indication they might be closer to possible wreckage, they're going to be out there searching as well. >> we talked about the search and the new nugget from the head of the fbi today saying in a couple days, they're looking at the hard drives, not just from the pilot but the co-pilot. we talked about the pilot's at home flight simulator. are they looking at other hard drives as well? >> reporter: absolutely. the fbi had teams working around the clock since these hard drives were seized. what they're looking for is any evidence of pilot intent. after all the interviews that they conducted, they've haven't uncovered anything about any reason a pilot would deliberately steer a plane this direction, this remote southern

part of the indian ocean. what the fbi is doing, they're scanning hard drives, looking for data deleted, and specifically scrubbed. if someone scrubs it from the hard drive, they're trying to take it away and hide it. the big question, if that did happen, what was trying to be hidden and why. >> fbi gets answers in a couple days. will ripley in perth. thank you so much. back to this picture. back to the best lead so far, 122 possible objects. they may have drifted, may have sunk since the satellite images were captured as will mentioned sunday, so search crews are racing against time, a couple of hours, planes heading out there. here is the thing. even if the wreckage turns up, a complete investigation may take weeks, may take months. joining me to discuss, retired pilot and air safety accident investigator. gentlemen, welcome. captain, since i have you in studio, i'm begin with you.

i know you're not an oceanographer. when we see this picture, i woke up this morning, heard the experts say whoa, this is the first time we're seeing not just one piece or another piece but what appears to be a field, no? >> it does look like a debris field, it is a large airplane, you would expect a lot of debris. looks like far better than one or two pieces we had before. having said that, though, there's a lot of debris in this area and currents can collect debris, it could be a collection of someone else's debris from shipping and so forth, may not be ours. i am going to be a lot happier when we have a piece in our hands and can identify it with the aircraft. >> everybody is waiting, it is a remote part of the world, everyone is wondering why it takes so long, it just takes so long to get there. we can't jump to the conclusion it is pieces of plane or not, but once you can examine the debris, you can really figure out if this is the plane, how it hit the water, backtracking that way. can you walk me through as an

accident investigator how one would approach even examining debris? >> well, there's, you know, items on the macro scale or large scale that we would be looking at but also things on the micro scale. so they would be looking at how the metal is deformed, what part of the airplane, the way it is bent, the angles, and also for some of the items, they're going to look at the smaller cracks and smaller lesions and so forth that that might be telling also. the bottom line is you have to get wreckage in your hand and decide what level they feel like they're going to need to look at it. >> say we know it isn't going to happen, for the sake of conversation, they find the debris, have it in their hand tomorrow. so that's three weeks it has been sitting and floating, you know, with marine life and sea water. would that damage it at all? >> well, absolutely. there certainly will be some damage. it depends what type of metal, steel versus aluminum versus

plastic material that might e out there. but one of the things they're going to be looking at and one of the things that's a significant part of this investigation that needed to be ruled out eventually is looking for fire and soot and other evidence of a preimpact fire very well still may be on the wreckage, so it doesn't rule out the ability to see those type of evidence or clue. >> we know they're looking ultimately, talking about the debris field, they want to trace it back to the black box to find out what happened. is it possible if you're flying a plane, you're in the cockpit, don't know if anything nefarious happened, could you mess with the black box or is it perfectly intact safe, no one can -- >> there's no access from the cockpit. at the most, a circuit breaker which could turn it off, but it is way in the back of the plane, it is back there for a reason, to protect from crash impact forces. >> in the tail section. >> yes, it is attached -- some

worry about it sinking to the bottom. it is going to be attached to a large piece of airplane even in the gooeyest bottom sit on the top awhile and give us a fair chance to find it. >> what about the cockpit voice recorder. >> same location, same rules. >> okay. what about the other nugget, learning about a partial handshake, ping, ping. >> the airplane is going 560 miles per hour. if it narrows it down to an hour, you have it narrowed to a tight area. if it is a ping at impact, we are getting closer to a smaller area. if it is within an hour or half hour, the airplane still covers a tremendous distance. >> shawn, you're looking at all of this, you know accidents. what's the one piece of the puzzle you really want answered? >> i want to look at how the airplane hit the water,

controlled or not controlled and bottom line, brooke, we have to get the boxes. that's really where we're going to be able to piece it together. even after we have that, i still caution everyone, as kid very well knows, we're looking at a yearlong investigation if not longer to answer the how and why. >> thank you both very much here. texts, e-mails, attempted phone calls to loved ones. this information, did you know, could still be on passenger cell phones on board the plane and provide a lot of information as far as what happened, if the plane is found, would data be retrievable on the phones? cnn spoke to a forensic computer scientist to find out. that's ahead. also, our other story, thick mud consuming an entire

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with so many questions about what happened to the 239 people on board the missing airplane, one certainty, many of them had

their cell phones with them in the cabin, so the question is: did these passengers, these faces you see here, try to send fair well texts, good-bye voice mails to their loved ones? with the best lead yet in finding this possible debris field, what information, if any, could a cell phone under miles and miles of water be able to give? cnn's ted rowlands got some answers. >> reporter: paul weeks left his wife and two sons home in australia to start a new job, boarded malaysia airlines flight 370. now his family and others are left wondering if their loved ones tried to use their cell phones to send a message before the plane went missing. with so many questions still unanswered, texts and e-mails could provide crucial details about what happened to flight 370, and all of that information could possibly still be retrieved. >> absolutely. i'm sure there's text messages,

drafts of e-mails, i'm sure there's video testimonials that people made. >> reporter: chad goff is a partner at ford discovery, a computer forensics company in chicago. he says after several weeks or months in the ocean, unsent texts, e-mails and videos can still be retrieved from electronic devices. >> it is a matter of finding the devices to determine what kind of damage was associated with them, and handling them properly. >> reporter: handling them properly is the key, like retrieving a flight data recorder, a cell phone or computer would have to be kept in water until ready to be analyzed. even if a device has been smashed, as long as the data cards are intact, the information is still there. >> it is getting them out of the saltwater, but keeping them wet and putting them in special solution that would dissolve the minerals that are in there, dissolve the salt and clean off the component. >> reporter: finding the devices

will likely be the most difficult part of the equation. took two years to locate the flight recorders off the bottom of the atlantic ocean from air france flight 447 that crashed in 2009. no cell phones were recovered. but if flight 370 wreckage is found over the next few months, passenger texts, e-mails and videos could possibly help solve the mystery of what happened on board, while also providing some grieving families a final message from a loved one. ted rowlands, cnn, chicago. coming up next, take a look at these images here. do you see anything? some experts say this could hold the key in finding the missing plane. we talk live to a satellite analyst and we'll explain what exactly this could mean. also ahead, you hear the heart breaking stories of victims of the washington state landslide. we now have this video. look at this. four years old, this bill boy pulled from the mud and muck. bill weir is live with more

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welcome back, i'm brooke baldwin. hopes are finding more survivors from saturday's deadly landslide in washington state are fading fast. two more bodies were pulled from the muck bringing the official death toll to 16 now. search and rescue teams spotted 8 more bodies, but the debris is blocking a path to go in and recover them. as the hours tick by, volunteers and family members say they will stay on it, they'll keep searching. earlier today, the emergency management director became overwhelmed with gratitude. >> a brief pause to thank the local community support and volunteers. we are humbled beyond belief in this county.

we have received -- it is very humbling. it is very humbling and we're respectfully very grateful. >> wow. let's go to bill weir in darrington, washington. not often you see someone in this official capacity breaking down in tears in the press conference. how are people you're talking to able to stay positive? >> reporter: oh, well, it is the tightness of this community that allows them to, you know, cry on each others' shoulders. positivity is hard to come by, to be honest, brooke. it has been over 100 hours, a long time. four long days since they found any signs of life on the huge pile of debris there. so yeah, it is the little things. it is guys talking about i found a wedding dress in that mud and brought it out. or i found a diploma, a yearbook, a pile of toys, and

for lack of a human being to mourn and to lie in state, you know, that's all they have to cling to. the clergy here, you know, they like to point things to the afterlife, say there's hope beyond this life. so those folks who are people of faith are clinging to that really. >> i was talking to a geologist earlier who was talking about the terrain and the hazards, you know, how rescue crews are sinking as you described the mud, the muck. it is even difficult as we pointed out, there are bodies family members would like to recover and they can't get to them. >> reporter: right, right. you know, we have been talking a lot about the missing plane. those family members looking at a million square miles of ocean and wondering where their loved one is. the sentiment is not different here, even though it is a square mile that they feel they're so cut off from and can't get to that mother, that father, that

spouse in many cases. we just saw, starting to see an evolution of the parade of equipment that goes down highway 530 here. we saw a massive bulldozer. this has gone from hovercraft searching the surface, had helicopters, then shovels and bare hands to dig through. now they're getting in there with heavy equipment. we expect as a result the current death toll of 24 to go up. there's hope it doesn't go into triple digits. still a lot of unaccounted for, a lot of detectives worked missing person cases over the years trying to knock the case down by finding some people that may just be out of town and not actually lost. but it looks like this could surpass the mount saint helens disaster that took over 50 lives, considering how many folks lived in that slide zone. >> thoughts and prayers with the folks, the family members, the

rescue teams there in washington state. bill weir, thank you so much for your coverage for us. we appreciate it. coming up, it is the image some experts are calling the most credible lead in finding the missing malaysia airlines plane. the satellite picture showing 122 objects floating somewhere in the southern indian ocean. next, we'll give you a virtual view of where the items have been found, and how crews are working to recover them. plus, a senior malaysian government official gave cnn an update on their investigation into these two men, the pilot on the left side, the co-pilot on the right side of the screen here. we will tell you what they have found after almost three weeks of investigating their background. so our business can be on at&t's network for $175 a month? yup. all 5 of you for $175. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text. we're working deals all day. you get 10 gigabytes of data to share. what about expansion potential? add a line, anytime, for $15 a month.

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out of boston, this is beacon street. nine alarm fire. this neighborhood, beautiful, beautiful brownstones right along the river. here is what we know. there are firefighters trapped, you can see still pictures on the right. some firefighters are trapped trying to fight this thing in a basement of a building, four story building. this is the back bay area on beacon street, a couple blocks from commonwealth avenue, and again, we're hearing this is an apartment fire, four story apartment building. so as soon as we get more information here from boston fire, we will pass it along to you. not often do you hear about a nine alarm fire. there you have it. beacon street in boston. the disappearance of flight 370 was either accident or sabotage, and today we heard from the u.s. secretary of defense, chuck hagel, refusing to rule out terrorism. the fbi wrapping up its analysis

on the pilot's flight simulator and those deleted files. as for the search, look at this picture, this is being called by some experts potentially a game changer here in finding the plane. the satellite image showing 122 objects floating in the southern indian ocean. this debris field spans this massive area. we keep talking about this remote area of the world, some 150 square miles. we learned the search area has been divided into two sections here. you see the east and the west, the usp 8 poe side entaking over the search in the west zone. for the specifics, tom foreman mapped this out for us. tom, show me what we are talking about. >> what we are talking about is something i think anybody can get at this point. sometimes it is really pretty direct. this stuff matters right now, the stuff we're looking at now matters, most of all because it looks like the debris of a plane

crash. it may not be, but all of the individual pieces we talked about have not looked strong. the idea of a debris field is very consistent with a plane crash, and it is in the right location, it is near where other debris was spotted. they're trying to get there to find this up close. that's why people are excited about that. that said, brooke, here are the many cautions here. we have had false alarms about this already many times, plus the searching process for this remains highly complicated. if you think of the plane coming toward this area, if this is, in fact, what happened, and you think about the big grid they have to build out into the ocean there basically, they have to on paper basically say this is the area we have to search, it is still immense. that area we are talking about is small, 12.5 miles by 12.5 miles. that's relatively small in the ocean. so they can target it just as they do with a gridded area. they try to say some areas are

more important to search than others. but that doesn't tell you where the bulk of the plane will be. the search would push up toward the north of the bigger 621 square mile search area, or it may have glided or had the fuel last longer, and in fact, the search area, main area, may be much further down to the south, much further distance away. we don't know because we don't know what happened to this debris before it wound up where it is. so there are a lot of ifs still in place, and bear in mind in the bigger search area, remember, the plane itself would be no bigger than a pinpoint in that great big grid we're showing you there. so brooke, this is very encouraging news. it is far from definitive yet. there's every chance it turns out to be nothing.

but for the moment, hopes are high that maybe if they can find this stuff and get it in their hands, they'll know if they have some kind of answers in the long and tragic tale. >> the best lead yet, that's what we're hearing. tom foreman, thank you. let's talk to leo romejin, our satellite imagery analyst. let me tap your knowledge, sir, once again. you and i had discussed looking at the pictures here that some of the objects appear to be shiny. with your trained eye, leo, is there anything else in this picture that might suggest some link to a commercial airliner? here it is. >> no, not yet. first i have to recover some of the debris out of the ocean, then physically make evaluation of what's out there. currently, it is very fortunate that the 1-b satellite collected at this angle because they have

a 47 degree inclination angle, the sun was at the perfect location to shine good, so all of the debris physically displayed perfectly. so now they need to find it and bring it on board and check it out. >> thank goodness for the sun shining down. you see the reflections to get the images. amazing considering how far away the satellite is. leo, we have seen satellite images from china, from france, from australia. are we to believe there are no american satellites over this neck of the woods or perhaps it is more likely the u.s. government maybe has something but they're not telling us. >> oh, no, digital globe has five active satellites. they have been scanning the whole area, collected some of the first images available. it is the collection angle of

this collection with this satellite sensor that shows off the debris. and this really is definitely a big plus point. hopefully they'll be able later on today to collect or be at the debris field. so then they can start physically calculating the route back and combine with the other data, they'll be able to get closer to searching for the plane. >> 3:30 in the morning there. i know talking to reporters on the ground, they say a couple more hours before they send the planes out to figure out where precisely this is. but you know, we had talked earlier, leo, about satellite coverage of the area, the southern indian ocean. let me show this. this is the google earth image. it is now about two hours old. all these little dots around the world are little satellites. you said there's adequate satellite coverage down there. you also seemed optimistic that perhaps they're getting close. so given this picture which

shows that once again this is a picture from sunday, do you think they'll find them when the search resumes in a couple hours from now? >> they should. they have a better idea. the picture itself, the debris of that collection date and time will have position accuracy of less than ten meters. once they know where the debris is and can calculate the course of the debris because of the currents and also the prior satellite images with the debris, they'll be able to pinpoint a more accurate location to it. >> i like that answer. i like those odds, finally, leo romejin, thank you so much. satellite imagery analyst and expert. i appreciate your expertise. a senior malaysia official gave cnn information on the pilot and co-pilot. we will tell you what they have found almost three weeks investigating their backgrounds. that's ahead. also, we have been telling

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airlines flight 370 sudden disappearance. here is defense secretary chuck hagel. >> i don't think at this point we can rule anything in or out. i think we have to continue to as much as we are, and you know the united states continues to stay committed. we have aircraft in the area working out of malaysia, and perth. as you know, we moved two of our most sophisticated locaters to the perth area. so until we have more information we don't know. >> so that happened today. also today we heard from the fbi. we now know the fbi is looking at hard drives from the pilot simulator taken from his home. both with the pilot and co-pilot. we go to barbara starr. when we talk about investigations and talk specifically about the pilot and co-pilot, what are you hearing

from your sources? >> well, secretary hagel really articulated the real bottom line here, which is none of us know, nobody knows at this point by all accounts what really happened here. so why is he not able to rule out a terrorist attack? one reason is as we work through all of this, sources tell us there has been no claim of responsibility. you would expect to see that in a terrorist attack. that is typically what happens. no claim of responsibility after all these days. but they do increasingly coalesce around the notion that this was a deliberate action from somewhere within the cockpit. is this a fact? no. is it a theory, maybe not a theory. it is an idea, an awful lot of people we speak to, are coalescing around. why do they say this? the way the plane flew. this plane made deliberate turns, as we know, made that left turn before it got to vietnam, made another turn wide over the indian ocean, then flew

for hours in some sort of controlled flight. you know, we talked to one very experienced triple 7 pilot that said there are a lot of catastrophic accidents, but planes don't typically fallout of the sky. even industry people are sort of looking at this notion it has to be said, brooke, there is no evidence, no evidence at this point as far as anybody knows that ties the pilot or co-pilot to this. there is no stated motive. none of that. this is certainly an idea that we are increasingly hearing people are investigating, considering, and looking at. brooke? >> we talk about theories, coalescing in the cockpit, could be key to get the files and hard drives with the fbi in a couple of days. barbara starr, thank you so much. >> sure. >> and some of the most critical information may actually come from the pings the plane sent after it dropped out of radar. we know that there was this partial ping, this is what we're talking about today, a partial ping that the plane sent out. that was its last communication.

so back to the flight simulator to martin savidge inside a triple 7 cockpit simulator. can you give me, martin, just some background on a partial ping. >> reporter: it is interesting that the very small details could turn out to be very big clues as to what may have happened in the final moments or where this aircraft may have finally ended up. the pings we're talking about are a result of the acar system. it is located here in this particular cockpit of the triple 7 it is this screen you would use. it is an alternate means of communication for the plane. you have the radio systems, but this would be a way to send texts to the ground, the ground to send texts up, even navigation ideas. it is also a way for the aircraft to sort of send out an automatic message. in this case, every hour. so after the plane disappeared march 8th after it went off radar, the system sent six more

pings. one every hour. it didn't transmit any information. it was as if somebody called you on the cell phone but didn't speak. so the plane did that. and then the very last ping came eight minutes after the one previous, which was odd. because it was hitting once every hour, then you get one eight minutes later. so what was going on? that's what they're trying to figure out. they're also trying to figure out where did the last ping come from because it is believed that may have been the last place where the aircraft was, trying to narrow down the search, figure out where that partial ping came from. and then you can zoom in and begin to send all your aircraft and all your as much assets there. there's one theory, when the plane ran out of fuel, everything electric in the plane stopped, shut down. but there's a little propeller in the back that pops out and

makes electricity by the wind, so the aircraft descending without power would generate electricity. everything turns out again. so it is theorized maybe the plane ran out of fuel, eight minutes later, it is generating electricity again, and this acar system sends one last ping before the plane presumably hits the water. that's the theory, brooke. we're still working on trying to test it in the simulator. >> martin savidge, thank you very much. from the partial ping to the families, we can't begin to understand what they're going through here, almost three weeks since this plane took off. the twitter account of a teenage girl whose father was on board the plane offers this glimpse into how her emotions are playing out from fear to hope to heart break. people from around the world are offering support. we will share some of her tweets next.

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got some breaking news in the world of college athletics. it could be a game changer. this is what we have from the national labor relations board in chicago. they have now ruled that football players, specifically at northwestern university, are school employees and can unionize, so this could mean that these student athletes have the right to fight to get paid here. how will this effect student

athletes and college scholarships moving forward, this is specific to northwestern university. what kind of ripple effect could it have with other student athletes in other colleges across the country, those are all questions that will be addressed in the coming weeks and going to move along, back to this missing plane, this uplifting yet absolutely tearjerker here because the twitter account of one teenage girl tracks the agony of flight 370 as it began first three weeks ago. this is a tweet on a twitter handle gorgeous. this is her handle. this is the tweet she sent about the missing plane. she called directly to her father. andrew farri is the chief steward on board. and she tweets come home fast, dad. it's the only thing i want. she continued, speaking directly to him, her conversation online. march 8th, daddy, you're all over the news and papers. come home fast so you could read

them. don't you feel excited? later, she's watching soccer, she tweets, daddy, liverpool is winning the game. come home so you can watch the game. you never miss watching the game. it's your very first time. to which there was actually a response from liverpool's team replying, "this has touched our hearts." fast forward to march 12th, gorgeous stays positive tweeting, kui "my dad must be busy serving the passengers food and drinks." by march 20th, nearly two weeks since gorgeous has seen or hugged her father, shi tweet, "how i wish to wake up every morning hoping that this is just a dream. but sadly this is, sigh, reality. may god protect them all." a day later, gorgeous ends her tweet with a teary face, where are you she writes? i miss your smile, your laughter. i miss you to much. sigh. then in one more tweet, her desperation to see her father

grows. this is what she writes next. it's late midnight. i can imagine him standing at the stairs saying don't sleep late, okay. good night, daddy. ends with a teary smiley face and a kiss. then monday, march 24th, the families of flight 370, hear this. >> that according to this new data, flight mh-370 ended in the southern indian ocean. >> gorgeous, whose real name is mira, write, "we love you, but he, capital h, loves you more. hugs." one of her 105,000 followers tells her," take your time to cry but remember one thing -- he is in a lot better place than us in his arm. he smiles when he sees you from

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welcoming there? >> reporter: the flight about 15 minutes late, brooke so, we haven't seen it touch down yes, but rome is bracing for the visit of president obama. we are expecting some massive traffic jams tomorrow. in fact, some italian newspapers warning people about chaos. he's in one part of town, and to get there he needs to drive really thu one of the most busy parts of rome to get to the vatican. and after the vatican where he will meet with pope francis in the morning he will be having a working lunch with george napolitano, the italian president. then he meets with the italian prime minister, then in the afternoon he goes to the coliseum. so it's going to be somewhat difficult for the residents of rome as the presidential motorcade makes it around the capital. so we shall see. >> so you have the traffic chaos to deal with, and then you have of course the big news that the

president will be meeting as you mentioned with the pope. do we have any idea as far as what the two will be discussing tomorrow? >> reporter: no clear idea, but i think we've got a suggestion of what they'll be discussing in january when secretary of state john kerry met with his vatican counterpart. they discussed a lot of international issues including syria, the israel/palestine peace negotiations that of course the united states is trying to push forward. there may be discussion of more sensitive topics like abortion and contraception, which the vatican is not happy about. the fact that it is included in the affordable care act, but given that the italian national health service provides both abortion and contraception free of charge, that's probably not going to be a large issue. beyond that, they will, of course, be discussing things like income inequality, which is something that both men have

been touching on quite a lot in recent years. >> we'll watch for the photo-ops in the coming minutes and of course tomorrow with the pope. ben wedeman in rome, thank you so much. remember, the pope will be coming to the u.s. sometime next year. i'm brooke baldwin. thanks for being with me. jim sciutto in for jake tapper. "the lead" starts right now. 122 objects floating in the southern indian ocean. did any of them come from flight 370. i'm jim sciutto and this is "the lea lead". the world lead -- you would think 20 days into this baffling mystery someone would have spotted something from that missing plane. now that may have finally happened. malaysian officials calling this their most credible lead so far. also, many have assumed that time is running out to find the black boxes because the batteries on the pinger have only so much life left in them. but one of our safety analysts warns they could already be dead. and the national lead. the governor of