finish the next time it was many the shop. >> tom? >> where is the crime scene? debris and the plane? >> hopefully we'll get answers to all of these questions. thank you for joining us. that's it for me. i'm don lemon. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening. everyone. it's 11:00're on the east coast of the united states, 11:00 a.m. in kuala lumpur and western australia. there are new developments in flight 370 and new questions surrounding what appears to be a growing focus on the flight crew. we'll be very transparent about the sourcing here, because it is important. there's a contradiction. "usa today" citing a high ranking malaysian law enforcement officer who says the captain of the flight is believed to be soly responsible for the flight being taken off course. if that reporting is accurate, it raises all sorts of questions.

it's a window to where they could be taking the investigation, whether they might be jumping to conclusions. our panel tonight has a lot to say about that. also tonight, the race is on to locate and examine 122 pieces of debris reportedly spotted by a french satellite. the big question is, is it a real lead? real hard evidence of what happened to the plane and the 239 people on board? is it debris from the plane? there's that. but we begin with the flight crew and what american investigators uncovered after analyzing the captain's home flight simulator. for the latest on that, we're joined by pamela brown. so there's this "usa today" report out there from one unnamed malaysian source saying they're focusing on the pilot. i understand the fbi is expected to turn over hard drive information to the malaysians in the next day or two. what are your sources telling you about what they uncovered? >> reporter: at this point, sources are telling me they haven't found anything in a

preliminary review of the captain and co-pilot's hard drive that jumps out at them, that implicates the pilots in the plane's disappearance. a senior malaysian government initial said a police search of the pilot's home didn't turn up any evidence such as a suicide note that would suggest financial or psychological problems. so investigators haven't found any concrete evidence that suggests it was a premeditated act by the pilots and they eastern not ruling out that theory, either. they just don't have the concrete evidence to conclusi conclusively back up any theory. they haven't found the plane or a smoking gun. >> so no concrete evidence indicating a motive, but investigators continue to focus on the pilots and other avenues of investigation? >> reporter: that's right. they're digging into their backgrounds. there's still a keen interest in them, considering their role in the plane and expertise, they

are a focus, just not the sole focus. investigators are interviewing family members, but it's important to keep this in mind for perspective, it's still early in this investigation. i know we're a few weeks in and wanting answers, but it's still early on. there's no way that investigators have been able to turn over every clue in this investigation. there's still a lot to learn about these two men. but one official today said they are victims until proven otherwise. >> of course, we still have to learn about the other passengers. i want to bring in our panel, david sousi, also with us, captain les abend. richard quest and david gallo. richard, let's talk about this "usa today" report. it's obviously natural to focus on the pilots but essentially "usa today" based on one up named malaysian source is saying it was the pilot who is the only

one that could have done this, the most experienced and therefore they're focusing on him. >> the "usa today" report is judge and jury, convicted and just throw away and lock away the key. in the last hour, one of the guests on our special program with don lemon, one of our guests basically said his source in malaysia, high up in the police force, made it quite clear that there is no undue interest in one of the pilots. they're part of a wider investigation. they're obviously being looked at closely, but he completely and utterly denied that this view -- so what we have really done, and sara said in the last hour, as well. we're now sort of -- the rampant stage of unnamed sources -- >> also a single source who may have their own reason. les, the idea that the captain is the only one that could have

the technical expertise to turn the plane, fly the plane like this, true? >> i've got 22-year veteran co-pilots that could be turning over right now. they could be laughing. this man was a veteran in and of himself. 27 years old. it doesn't mean he was fresh out of initial training on the 777. he would have much more retained than perhaps the captain next to him. and putting in a simple course into the flight management computer or turning the airplane with heading select or manual flight, he's perfectly capable of doing that. that's why he's been hired for that job. >> david, what does it tell you -- pamela brown from one malaysian source, but from u.s. sources has a very different read on the investigation than what this "usa today," according to this malaysian official is telling you, two different

things, two different interpretations. does that tell you anything about the investigation or just the initial report? >> it just tells you that people are doing -- at this point when you don't have a lot of evidence, what you do is try to come up with a conclusion. instead of using that conclusion to use the airplane, you say i've got this conclusion now, all your facts line up and you twist the facts a little bit or overexaggerate or try to find something in there to justify and to justify in your head that yeah, that's the right conclusion. but you have to bring yourself back from that, forget about your past history and forget about what you've known or learned from previous investigations even. at some point you have to imagine or understand the unfathomable of what could have happened and leave it at that. >> david, if idea that this 122 pieces of debris we talked about at the top of the program spotted in a french satellite image, they have not found any

of these pieces, how significant do you think this is, this idea of there being a debris field? >> well, i think it's significant, because there is some feeling that it must have come from the same place. whether it's a ship or the aircraft, it's hard to say until they pick up a piece. i find it hard to hope against the hopes and prayers of the families and loved ones of the passengers. so some part of me wants it to not be from the plane. another part of me wants it to go down with the investigation. >> david sousi, the idea of it being together, could it indicate it came from a similar source or just given the nature of the currents in this region, it could be the way garbage collects in the sea around there. >> and it does. but i think that's an advantage. now we know where it's gathering. if there was debris in the area, those currents would bring it into that debris field, as well.

so you may have other debris in there. i would suspect you would. but you're also going to have good debris, if it's in that area. but what i'm most impressed about with these views, the statistics of having a 75-foot object in this picture and previous pictures that are -- if you draw a line between the three of them, it makes a flow as to where it moved from. so i think we're looking at within that picture, that same 78-foot object, which i suspect is a wing. >> yet nothing has been found with. all the resources out there. i know there have been rough swells and weather issues. >> they eastern getting a lot closer to finding something. you know, these pictures aside, the number of planes, 8, 9, 10 planes, the ships in the water, they are methodically combing through the seas.

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siemens designed and built the right tools and resources to get the job done. the search has refumed for flight 370 in the southern indian ocean with aircraft and ships looking for any signs of the objects spotted. those 122 objects we talked about. but no objects have been found. the search area is more than 600,000 square miles and even getting to that part of the ocean is a challenge. tom forman joins me now with details. >> reporter: they have assembled quite a fleet to look for this missing plane.

11 aircraft, 5 ships from all these different countries. yet even with state of the art technology, this remains a huge task. if you look at the map, you can see why. look at the distance from perth to where the latest debris was spotted. that's almost 1600 miles. the overall southern search area continues to be about 621,000 square miles. that means that on a good day, what they've been able to search out here is only about 5%. so it would take them 20 days, if everything goes right, to search this entire sector. that's a huge job. let's narrow it down to just that area, which we're told is about 12 1/2 miles by 12 1/2 miles or around the size of denver, colorado. if you were taking off from washington, d.c. with a search

crew every morning, flying all the way across the country out to colorado, and then you were flying down to denver, and your job once you got to the city was to pick out a single mailbox or a trash can or even a car, which would be relatively big, think about how difficult that would be if you only had maybe two, maybe three hours of flying over the city, maybe in dicey weather, before you have to fly right back, up into the sky, and back to washington to refuel and rest a little and start another day. that's why this remains a very daunting job. anderson? >> it gives you a sense of the distances. back now with our panel. david, you talked to someone you know, an auditor who was at the

facility where 370, the same facility that flight 370 would have been stored at, who had some disturbing discoveries about how the pingers that would be in the black boxes were actually stored. >> yeah. he contacted me and said i have some information to talk to you about, and i get a lot of that on twitter. so i checked it out and called him back, because he had some credible information. so he said to me, and it was very disturbing. he said to me that while he was at the audit, while he was doing the audit that the pingers were stored in a hot, humid room. >> this is in a warehouse in malaysia? >> exactly. so these pingers, they're sensitive to water and sensitive to that. so the manufacturer says you need to store them in a dry room temperature, 70 degrees, 85 at the most. so they got rid of these pingers, they put all new pingers in the refrigerator while he was there. now he tells me after that, that

that process is not being followed. he's seen countless times those pingers back in those rooms. >> the concern could be that a pinger would be put on board one of these planes without the full life. >> exactly. >> and there's no way to test the battery life of these devices before putting them on the aircraft? >> no, at the c-check, which is every thousand hours, they do check them to see if it pings. which it would. but there's no way to test like put a load on it, like you would test your car battery. so i'm concerned that if these others were at half life, if one of those bad ones were put into this aircraft at the last check, it's possible it could be done by now. >> so the idea is it wouldn't even last the 30 days. david, the pingers weren't going

off in air france flight 447, so how complex a task is without pingers to locate these things? is it just searching a grid? >> as long as you have a place to start, running back and forth plowing the field and hoping you don't go over a spot, think the aircraft is not there and go on to the next spot. you don't want to miss it if it's sitting right below you. >> les, i know we talked to david about this, after the air france crash, there were new safety guidelines about the length of time that a pinger would be able to go for, for 90 days. but that's only in new aircraft from 2015 on. the old aircraft it wasn't retro fitted that way. >> correct. that's my understanding. >> so only aircraft being released after 2015.

>> any other civil aviation organization, are you going to mandate these be retro fitted? i can't find anything on it. right now all they did is say whoever manufactures these has to make sure they do 90 days from 2015 on. >> richard, you're sort of more optimistic that this debris will be found? >> oh, yes, i'm optimistic, because they will just keep going. they may have to suspend it for the winter, although they won't be doing that for some time. but they'll keep going. lessons have to be learned from what's happened. i'll give you an example. 447, air france was seminole in terms of what took place. they learned so much about how pilots reacted. all these things were raised in

that. i guaranty you, this one is going to be the test case. this is going into the books, even before hand. not because of what may have happened on the plane, we don't even know that. we may not know that for months if not years. but simply for the fact that they could not and cannot find debris, find the plane, and have such little information three weeks on. that's why this is already in the books. >> david, there hasn't been one like this? >> no, never. we can't forget that we're learning things now, too. i don't want to discount that, because if we all we say is if we don't find what we're looking for, we can't learn from this. but we can. we have to speculate, we have to come up with these ideas so that we can determine where the aircraft is. but we can't stop the speculation after that, as painful as it is for the

families. >> it's one thing for people in the media to be going over theories. this is what investigators are doing. they're running through every scenario. >> it's a crude terminology, but david will agree with me, it's called tombstone technology. we learn this from these tragedies, but we do learn something so these people have not gone on or died in vain. >> david gallo, again, from that debris, i know you were working under the water on 447, but it is fascinating even with some pieces of debris you can start to understand what maybe happened to the aircraft based on stresses put on the debris and marks on the debris. >> yeah. we learned a lot from the debris in air france 447. we could tell off the pieces aft of the wing section were compressed and everything forward was relatively great shape, so it gave us the idea that the plane belly smacked tail first.

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breaking news tonight regarding the land slide in washington state. we know 16 people now confirmed dead. arable officials say 8 others have been located. they report that the number of people missing or unaccounted for has dropped to 90. today the governor of washington said the area suffered what he called 100% of devastation. last night we told you about the rescue of a 4-year-old boy. tonight they released video from a camera mounted on a helicopter. you see the first responder there in a black shirt on the left, securing the child, carrying him to the helicopter. here's the same video.

the boy is named jacob siller. officials tell us that jacob was upstairs when the land slide struck his home. his father and three siblings are still missing. his mother is okay, she was not home at the time. many of the firefighters and rescuers digging through the mud, the stress on this is mounting. >> we were digging. we come across a gentleman, and his son is out there, and it's his father. >> despite all the stress, all the danger for the rescuers, they're not giving up. gary tuchman joins us with more. gary? >> reporter: the beginning of this evening, the number of missing was pegged 176. but we knew it was a fluid number that would go lower. it has gone lower, but it's

still alarmingly high. 90 people are now considered missing. 90 people are considered unknown, and in addition to that, another 35 people are categorized as status unknown, meaning people say my cousin or boyfriend or girlfriend we think might have been in the area. either way, 125 people authorities are concerned about. but 90 of those people, they are extremely concerned about. while we talk about these numbers, it's important to stress at this point nobody has abandoned the search for any potential survivors. the top priority is still the search for survivors. and firefighters we've talked to who have spent much of the day at the decimated landslide scene say they have not given up on that quest. >> that miracle can happen. we live for that hope. we really live for that hope. >> reporter: but this has been a disappointing day here in snohomish county, washington. with no survivors found. the rescue and recovery work is

being done with choppers and police dogs, bulldozers, shovels, and even by hand. dozens of structures buried in up to 40 feet of mud, mud that in many places is like quick sand which limits people's ability to work effectively and even to recover bodies. >> when we first got here, crews went out and hit the hot spots. there's a house roof here. let's get in through the roof, go down through, work on that house and see who's in there if there's anybody in there. as you continue along you step back. you do a more comprehensive search. because now you're looking for the stuff that doesn't jump off the page at you. >> reporter: the main highway that goes through the affected communities, oso and darrington, remain shut off. for the time being the general public and even residents are being kept out while emergency vehicles go in and out. the recovery of bodies will continue, as will for now the continued search for people who may be trapped and alive. >> we can't lose hope for

anybody in this community. that's not what we're here for. we're here to find those people. >> you see the stress on those first responders. this is dangerous work for them, the conditions are very difficult. it was randi last night, it's tough out there. >> reporter: yeah, it's really treacherous, anderson. it's raining right now. again, there's a lot of rain which causes problems. in addition to that, geologists are keeping a careful eye on any problem with the land to make sure there's not another mudslide. even if the situation is fine with the land, the problem is, you literally have mountains that are up to 40 feet tall. these are not mountains of sturdy ground. these are mountains of mud like quick stand. if you step in the wrong place, you could plunge 40 feet down. so it really is a very dangerous assignment for the emergency workers who have been there the last several days. >> amazing what they're doing. i want you to meet robin youngblood. she lost her home in the land

slide but made it out alive. she was pulled from the rubble by a rescuer. they gave each other a big hug when they were reunited today. i spoke with her earlier tonight. first of all, i'm so glad you're okay. walk us through what happened saturday morning. i understand you were sitting in your living room with a friend. all of a sudden you heard this huge roar. >> yeah. i've never heard anything like it before. i said, what the heck is that? and we walked over to the window. there was a wall of -- it took me a second to realize it was mud. and it was racing like 150 miles per hour across the far end of the valley. and i said oh, my god and then it hit us. >> what happened when it hit you? what did it feel like? could you actually see the mud as it came up to the house? >> i didn't see it hit us. i hit so fast that we went down.

we were under water and mud. and we had mud in every orifice. and the house was moving. and i just remember thinking, okay, creator, if this is it, i might as well relax. and i just let myself go limp. >> how long did it go on for? >> couldn't have been more than 30 seconds. >> that fast, really? >> from the time it hit us until we landed. >> and i understand it actually ripped your house off the foundation. >> my house is match sticks. there's nothing left. it ripped the roof off. and i thank god for that. because if the roof had still been on, the house filled up with mud and water, we would have drowned. the only way we got out is we dug the stuff out of our nose and mouth so we could breathe, but i was able to pick my way through debris and get up to the top and call for my friend, yeddi from holland, my student who was with me for a week.

and she was pinned under a tree that had fallen. and i couldn't get to her. there was nothing stable to stand on. so i just yelled at her to dig herself out somehow, even if she was hurt, better to be hurt and alive. because i could see that the house was going to fill up with mud. >> so you were actually underneath the mud? you were completely covered? >> yep. there wasn't a dry place on my body when we got in the ambulance. they had us strip down. everything was sodden. we were in hypothermia by that time. >> i understand the house was actually moved a long distance. about how far? >> a quarter of a mile. >> that's an extraordinary thing. your house was moved a quarter of a mile in a very brief amount of time. i mean, you are so lucky to be alive. >> don't i know it. i have no idea how that

happened. and i have a hurt finger and lots of bruises and a torqued back. but no broken bones. god knows how that happened. >> you bought i understand your house two years ago. did anyone warn you at the time that this mountain was unstable? because i've talked to geologists who did studies back in 1999 about this area. did anyone warn you? >> nobody ever told us there were geology reports. i heard on king 5 last night they asked somebody from the county zoning commission. and the guy said, well, yeah, that report was there but i guess we never read it. nobody told any of us. this is criminal as far as i'm concerned. that's why i'm really glad i'm talking to you, because i know you help with things like this. >> and you helped take care of a little boy, a boy named jacob

who's 4 years old. he was rescued. you were there right after, i understand, he was pulled out of the mud, brought to the ambulance. how do you -- you talk about comforting people in a case like this. what do you say to him? >> the minute i saw him, i said oh, my god, how are you, jacob? hi said 4. i said what's your last name? he didn't know. i said, honey, i'm a grandma. i'll take care of you until we figure this out. i stripped his clothes off, i put him in a big blanket and i held him all the way until they found his mother. i sang him songs and i just tried to help him stay calm. >> robin, thank you for your strength and for talking to us. and i'm just so sick about what has happened to everybody there. and our thoughts and our prayers are with all the survivors and all those who are looking for those who are unaccounted for. thank you, robin. >> thank you so much, anderson. thank you for doing what you do. >> we had to edit that interview for time. but your watch the entire

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back with our breaking news tonight. conflicting reports on what role if any the pilots in malaysia airlines flight 370 may have played in the airline's disappearance. as we told you about at the top of the program we want to be transparent about the sourcing on this. "usa today" is reporting a high-ranking malaysian police officer said investigators believe the pilot is to blame and they're ruling out the copilot, simply saying the pilot was the only one who had the experience, the knowledge to do this. cnn sources say that investigators have not reached that conclusion. unfortunately, however, there have been instances when commercial airline pilots have intentionally crashed their jets, killing everyone on board. randi kaye takes a look back. >> reporter: a regularly scheduled flight from los angeles international airport to cairo, egypt, with a stop at john f. kennedy airport in new york. that was the plan for egyptair flight 990. but on october 31st, 1999, the

boeing 767 crashed into the atlantic ocean about 60 miles off the coast of massachusetts. >> i lost contact with the boeing 767 in my air space. we lost radar. we lost everything. >> reporter: crash investigators say the copilot had learned he was being demoted and took control of the plane when the captain stepped out of the cockpit, sending it into a nose dive toward the ocean. the cockpit voice recorder revealed the copilot repeated "i rely on god" 11 times just before the crash. the captain can be heard on the recorder saying "what's happening?" even more chilling, the last words heard are the captain saying "pull with me" as he struggled to get his plane to change course. in that instant the copilot turns off the engine, sending the aircraft slamming into the sea. all 217 people on board were killed. >> with egyptair, the transponder stopped working and

there was no may day call. the ntsb ruled the copilot intentionally crashed the plane, though egyptian authorities still say it was a mechanical failure. >> certainly pilots are part of the potential for the problem. so they have to be looked at. but basically it's not a guilty until proven innocent really. because there's only a few sources that could cause this type of problem, someone outside the cockpit certainly the people inside the cockpit. >> reporter: a suicidal pilot was also to blame for this, december 1997, the crash of silkair flight 185. it was heading from jakarta to singapore when it crashed into this river. >> translator: it sounded like a bomb, a bomb dropping. first explosion up in the air then it exploded again then it crashed into the water. >> reporter: the plane dropped into the river in less than a minute, breaking the speed of sound and killing all 104 passengers and crew. the ntsb concluded that the

pilot deliberately directed the flight to crash. in indonesia, they claim the findings are inconclusive. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> it's certainly a troubling and perhaps remote possibility but one that has to be explored by investigators. joining us two pilots who are both cnn aviation analysts, les abend and miles o'brien. does that make sense in any way that a suicide pilot or co-pilot would be involved in this? >> why do it in the middle of nowhere? it just doesn't make sense. i would have done it after takeoff. my understanding is that there's one of the world's biggest buildings and towers in kuala lumpur. why not do it going into beijing? >> miles, others would say perhaps you wanted to go to a deeper area, the waters in the gulf of thailand were very low. but pilot suicide as we talked about in that egyptair disaster off nantucket in the late '90s, that was shortly into the flight, correct? the malaysia airlines flight if

the information is accurate, it went on for hours well off course. does that line up with the theory of suicide? >> if you look back at the egyptair 990 story, there was a lot of recriminations that were focused on the family of the first officer who was implicated by the ntsb on a suicide mission. of course the egyptians deny it all. so what we're talking about here is the possibility, and we're not saying this is what happened, but the possibility there was a suicidal crew member who might have been worried about some sort of stigma associated with suicide, particularly in the malaysian culture. if you wanted to commit suicide in such a way that you couldn't be implicated, this would be a way to do it. >> going to a very far, remote area where the difficulty of actually finding the aircraft. >> exactly. >> les, what kind of psychological screening do pilots undergo? >> well, we go under most of the

screening occurs at the time you're an applicant for the airline. the airlines do a good job of vetting people. a very similar type people. now, as we get on with the airline and go through our careers, there isn't a whole lot unless there's something affecting our job performance. >> i would imagine other pilots, co-workers keep an eye out for any anomalies. >> we watch each other's backs. we really do. >> miles, it is important to point out like everything else, this is just something that investigators are looking at. because again without a suicide note these pilots could just as well have been heroes to try to stop this plane from going into the water as something nor nefarious. >> there is a scenario you can add to the list where somehow they were commandeered. the flight was commandeered. somebody in the back of the plane decided to hijack it. for whatever reason the pilots were able to either dupe the hijacker or somehow take control of the plane in some way. but perhaps they thought there

was a bomb on board and the same thing to do was to park it in the ocean like shanksville pa. >> we simply don't know. again les abend, miles o'brien, appreciate it. up next a remarkable rescue caught on video. an apartment building under construction in houston went up in flames. a worker trapped on a balcony with the flames approaching. we'll talk with the firefighter who is out on that ladder there desperately trying to get to this construction worker in time. an extraordinary story ahead. [ male announcer ] this is joe woods' first day of work.

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for weeks now we've been covering the search for the missing plane. there's so much heartache and mystery. but right now we want to bring you a happy ending, a daring rescue caught on camera. if you haven't seen the video before, it's remarkable to see. just to set the scene, an apartment under construction in houston was on fire. construction worker was trapped on a balcony. a woman in a nearby office building grabbed her cell phone, started taking video. it needs no narration. just the raw video tells the story. take a look. >> he was inside there. do they see him? oh, my god.

oh, god, oh, god, oh, god. oh, god. oh, my god. oh, no oh, no oh, no. oh, my god. >> look at the glass meting up there. see the window melting? >> they need to get him. oh, jesus. oh, god. oh, god. hell, he can jump from there. i mean, good grief. they need to move that truck up. oh, my god. i think that we probably should be going. >> time to evacuate, guys. >> hell yes. oh, thank jesus.

thank you, god. >> oh, my god. [ screaming ] >> oh, no, my god. >> hey, what about this guy? >> they got him. >> just extraordinary. remarkably no one was hurt in the fire. the firefighter on the end of that ladder and helped rescue the construction worker, senior captain brad hawthorne of the houston fire department. he joins me tonight. >> captain, this rescue is extraordinary. when the video starts, how long had the fire been going on about at that point? >> not long. we pulled up and there wasn't much fire but it moved through the entire building in a couple of minutes. >> it moved that fast. >> it moved extremely fast. fastest-moving fire i've ever been to. >> when you arrived on the scene and your team arrived on the scene, were you needily aware

this construction worker was trapped up there? >> we had reports. our chief told us to go to the north side of the building, there was three men trapped on the roof. so we got there, positioned the ladder truck, and got the ladder set up to the roof when we started noticing we had a small amount of fire on the left side, climbed about halfway up the ladder i noticed the whole attic roof was on fire. then just seconds later by the time i get to the top of the ladder the entire roof was completely involved in fire. >> was it moving that fast because of the winds? why was it moving so fast? >> the wind and just the construction. it was really fast, faster than i expected. >> you're on the edge of the ladder, right? >> right, yes. >> we see the ladder going toward the guy. were you afraid he would jump or something before you reached him? >> it was always possible. i mean, if it gets hot enough, most people will jump before they'll burn. >> that ladder looks like it's

moving pretty fast. that must be pretty -- you're obviously experienced. that's got to be pretty frightening to be out on an extended ladder like that moving fast. >> well, it's not typically a practice we like doing except under emergency situations. moving a ladder with guys on it. but we knew that seconds counted this one. >> the ladder couldn't get all the way to where the construction worker was. there's a limit to where it can go. >> we got it over to him about a couple feet short. that's when i told him to hold up at first so he wouldn't jump until we got it to the right point. then i waved him to come on. and that's when i kind of got up there, gave him a little room. he jumped over and i grabbed him as quick as i could so he didn't slip. then my my chauffeur started moving the ladder to the right to get us away from the wall. within five seconds the wall and floor collapsed. >> did the guy say anything to you when he finally made it on the ladder?

>> we kind of looked at each other, slapped each other's hands, smiled and thank you, jesus. >> i can imagine. how's he doing, do you know? >> it was close. he's doing fine. doing fine. we seen him after all this was over, i'd have probably been more shook up. he was calm, cool, collected through the whole thing. and he's doing really good. he was back to work two hours later. >> we're watching this building collapse as you're pulling away. it's incredible. when it starts to collapse, can you tell the building is falling? i don't know where you were looking but do you see it coming toward you? >> you could hear the cracking and the popping of the fire, breaking boards. it did get louder for an instant, then you could feel the heat. and we was swinging to the right which it kept us out of the fire. and it saved us. my chauffeur did a good job getting us out of the heat. >> you all did an incredible job. i hope you get a beer or

something after this. how do you relax after this? it's so stressful just watching i'm getting nervous. >> right. it can be scary. but we train a lot. and you try to do it just where it's i guess -- don't know how to explain it. just doing your job. just human nature. just doing the job and making it -- it just happens. >> i'm glad you're out there. i'm sure a lot of people in houston are as well. thank you so much for all you do. >> thank you. >> just amazing story and heroic effort by captain brad hawthorne and the rest of the houston fire department. the work the firefighters do is extraordinary. from that rescue in texas, the firefighters working the scene of a devastating land slide in washington state, risking their lives to save others. we think about them tonight. some breaking news out of boston today. at least two firefighters died. 13 others were injured in a fast-moving nine-alarm fire west of downtown. as of now, we don't know what

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>> since we started our coverage of flight 370 we wanted to focus on the passengers of the flight, the mothers, fathers, friends and colleagues who are simply missing. set your dvr every night so you can watch "ac 360" whenever you want. piers morgan starts right now.