tv Forensic Files CNN March 26, 2014 11:30pm-12:01am PDT
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last night we told you about the rescue of a 4-year-old boy. tonight they released video from a camera mounted on a helicopter. you see the first responder there in a black shirt on the left, securing the child, carrying him to the helicopter. here's the same video. the boy is named jacob siller. officials tell us that jacob was upstairs when the landslide struck his home. his father and three siblings are still missing. his mother is okay, she was not home at the time. many of the firefighters and rescuers digging through the mud, the stress on this is mounting. >> we were digging. we come across a gentleman, and his son is out there, and it's his father. >> despite all the stress, all the danger for the rescuers, they're not giving up.
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gary tuchman joins us with more. gary? >> reporter: the beginning of this evening, the number of missing was pegged 176. but we knew it was a fluid number that would go lower. it has gone lower, but it's still alarmingly high. 90 people are now considered missing. 90 people are considered unknown, and in addition to that, another 35 people are categorized as status unknown, meaning people say my cousin or boyfriend or girlfriend we think might have been in the area. either way, 125 people authorities are concerned about. but 90 of those people, they are extremely concerned about. while we talk about these numbers, it's important to stress at this point nobody has abandoned the search for any potential survivors. the top priority is still the search for survivors. and firefighters we've talked to
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who have spent much of the day at the decimated landslide scene say they have not given up on that quest. >> that miracle can happen. we live for that hope. we really live for that hope. >> reporter: but this has been a disappointing day here in snohomish county, washington. with no survivors found. the rescue and recovery work is being done with choppers and police dogs, bulldozers, shovels, and even by hand. dozens of structures buried in up to 40 feet of mud, mud that in many places is like quick sand which limits people's ability to work effectively and even to recover bodies. >> when we first got here, crews went out and hit the hot spots. there's a house roof here. let's get in through the roof, go down through, work on that house and see who's in there if there's anybody in there. as you continue along you step back. you do a more comprehensive search. because now you're looking for the stuff that doesn't jump off the page at you. >> reporter: the main highway that goes through the affected
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communities, oso and darrington, remain shut off. for the time being the general public and even residents are being kept out while emergency vehicles go in and out. the recovery of bodies will continue, as will for now the continued search for people who may be trapped and alive. >> we can't lose hope for anybody in this community. that's not what we're here for. we're here to find those people. >> you see the stress on those first responders. this is dangerous work for them, the conditions are very difficult. it was randi last night, it's tough out there. >> reporter: yeah, it's really treacherous, anderson. it's raining right now. again, there's a lot of rain which causes problems. in addition to that, geologists are keeping a careful eye on any problem with the land to make sure there's not another mudslide. even if the situation is fine with the land, the problem is, you literally have mountains that are up to 40 feet tall. these are not mountains of sturdy ground.
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these are mountains of mud like quick stand. if you step in the wrong place, you could plunge 40 feet down. so it really is a very dangerous assignment for the emergency workers who have been there the last several days. >> amazing what they're doing. i want you to meet robin youngblood. she lost her home in the landslide but made it out alive. she was pulled from the rubble by a rescuer. they gave each other a big hug when they were reunited today. i spoke with her earlier tonight. first of all, i'm so glad you're okay. walk us through what happened saturday morning. i understand you were sitting in your living room with a friend. all of a sudden you heard this huge roar. >> yeah. i've never heard anything like it before. i said, what the heck is that? and we walked over to the window. there was a wall of -- it took me a second to realize it was mud. and it was racing like 150 miles per hour across the far end of the valley.
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and i said oh, my god and then it hit us. >> what happened when it hit you? what did it feel like? could you actually see the mud as it came up to the house? >> i didn't see it hit us. i hit so fast that we went down. we were under water and mud. and we had mud in every orifice. and the house was moving. and i just remember thinking, okay, creator, if this is it, i might as well relax. and i just let myself go limp. >> how long did it go on for? >> couldn't have been more than 30 seconds. >> that fast, really? >> from the time it hit us until we landed. >> and i understand it actually ripped your house off the foundation. >> my house is match sticks. there's nothing left. it ripped the roof off. and i thank god for that. because if the roof had still been on, the house filled up with mud and water, we would have drowned.
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the only way we got out is we dug the stuff out of our nose and mouth so we could breathe, but i was able to pick my way through debris and get up to the top and call for my friend, yeddi from holland, my student who was with me for a week. and she was pinned under a tree that had fallen. and i couldn't get to her. there was nothing stable to stand on. so i just yelled at her to dig herself out somehow, even if she was hurt, better to be hurt and alive. because i could see that the house was going to fill up with mud. >> so you were actually underneath the mud? you were completely covered? >> yep. there wasn't a dry place on my body when we got in the ambulance. they had us strip down. everything was sodden. we were in hypothermia by that time. >> i understand the house was
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actually moved a long distance. about how far? >> a quarter of a mile. >> that's an extraordinary thing. your house was moved a quarter of a mile in a very brief amount of time. i mean, you are so lucky to be alive. >> don't i know it. i have no idea how that happened. and i have a hurt finger and lots of bruises and a torqued back. but no broken bones. god knows how that happened. >> you bought i understand your house two years ago. did anyone warn you at the time that this mountain was unstable? because i've talked to geologists who did studies back in 1999 about this area. did anyone warn you? >> nobody ever told us there were geology reports. i heard on king 5 last night they asked somebody from the county zoning commission. and the guy said, well, yeah, that report was there but i
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guess we never read it. nobody told any of us. this is criminal as far as i'm concerned. that's why i'm really glad i'm talking to you, because i know you help with things like this. >> and you helped take care of a little boy, a boy named jacob who's 4 years old. he was rescued. you were there right after, i understand, he was pulled out of the mud, brought to the ambulance. how do you -- you talk about comforting people in a case like this. what do you say to him? >> the minute i saw him, i said oh, my god, how are you, jacob? hi said 4. i said what's your last name? he didn't know. i said, honey, i'm a grandma. i'll take care of you until we figure this out. i stripped his clothes off, i put him in a big blanket and i held him all the way until they found his mother. i sang him songs and i just tried to help him stay calm. >> robin, thank you for your strength and for talking to us. and i'm just so sick about what
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has happened to everybody there. and our thoughts and our prayers are with all the survivors and all those who are looking for those who are unaccounted for. thank you, robin. >> thank you so much, anderson. thank you for doing what you do. >> we had to edit that interview for time. but your watch the entire interview at ac360.com. up next, the concept of pilot suicide in the investigation of 370. we'll talk more about the one idea that investigators are looking at that one or both of the pilots aboard flight 370 purposely crashed the jet. also, we'll hear from the firefighter who rescued this man from this incredible fire and within seconds was able to save his life.
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back with our breaking news tonight. conflicting reports on what role if any the pilots in malaysia airlines flight 370 may have played in the airline's disappearance. as we told you about at the top of the program we want to be transparent about the sourcing on this. "usa today" is reporting a high-ranking malaysian police officer said investigators believe the pilot is to blame and they're ruling out the copilot, simply saying the pilot was the only one who had the experience, the knowledge to do this. cnn sources say that investigators have not reached that conclusion. unfortunately, however, there have been instances when commercial airline pilots have intentionally crashed their jets, killing everyone on board. randi kaye takes a look back. >> reporter: a regularly scheduled flight from los angeles international airport to cairo, egypt, with a stop at john f. kennedy airport in new york. that was the plan for egyptair flight 990. but on october 31st, 1999, the boeing 767 crashed into the atlantic ocean about 60 miles off the coast of massachusetts. >> i lost contact with the boeing 767 in my air space. we lost radar.
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we lost everything. >> reporter: crash investigators say the copilot had learned he was being demoted and took control of the plane when the captain stepped out of the cockpit, sending it into a nose dive toward the ocean. the cockpit voice recorder revealed the copilot repeated "i rely on god" 11 times just before the crash. the captain can be heard on the recorder saying "what's happening?" even more chilling, the last words heard are the captain saying "pull with me" as he struggled to get his plane to change course. in that instant the copilot turns off the engine, sending the aircraft slamming into the sea. all 217 people on board were killed. >> with egyptair, the transponder stopped working and there was no may day call. the ntsb ruled the copilot intentionally crashed the plane, though egyptian authorities still say it was a mechanical failure.
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>> certainly pilots are part of the potential for the problem. so they have to be looked at. but basically it's not a guilty until proven innocent really. because there's only a few sources that could cause this type of problem, someone outside the cockpit certainly the people inside the cockpit. >> reporter: a suicidal pilot was also to blame for this, december 1997, the crash of silkair flight 185. it was heading from jakarta to singapore when it crashed into this river. >> translator: it sounded like a bomb, a bomb dropping. first explosion up in the air then it exploded again then it crashed into the water. >> reporter: the plane dropped into the river in less than a minute, breaking the speed of sound and killing all 104 passengers and crew. the ntsb concluded that the pilot deliberately directed the flight to crash. in indonesia, they claim the findings are inconclusive. randi kaye, cnn, new york.
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>> it's certainly a troubling and perhaps remote possibility but one that has to be explored by investigators. joining us two pilots who are both cnn aviation analysts, les abend and miles o'brien. does that make sense in any way that a suicide pilot or co-pilot would be involved in this? >> why do it in the middle of nowhere? it just doesn't make sense. i would have done it after takeoff. my understanding is that there's one of the world's biggest buildings and towers in kuala lumpur. why not do it going into beijing? >> miles, others would say perhaps you wanted to go to a deeper area, the waters in the gulf of thailand were very low. but pilot suicide as we talked about in that egyptair disaster off nantucket in the late '90s, that was shortly into the flight, correct? the malaysia airlines flight if the information is accurate, it went on for hours well off course. does that line up with the theory of suicide? >> if you look back at the egyptair 990 story, there was a
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lot of recriminations that were focused on the family of the first officer who was implicated by the ntsb on a suicide mission. of course the egyptians deny it all. so what we're talking about here is the possibility, and we're not saying this is what happened, but the possibility there was a suicidal crew member who might have been worried about some sort of stigma associated with suicide, particularly in the malaysian culture. if you wanted to commit suicide in such a way that you couldn't be implicated, this would be a way to do it. >> going to a very far, remote area where the difficulty of actually finding the aircraft. >> exactly. >> les, what kind of psychological screening do pilots undergo? >> well, we go under most of the screening occurs at the time you're an applicant for the airline. the airlines do a good job of vetting people. a very similar type people. now, as we get on with the
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airline and go through our careers, there isn't a whole lot unless there's something affecting our job performance. >> i would imagine other pilots, co-workers keep an eye out for any anomalies. >> we watch each other's backs. we really do. >> miles, it is important to point out like everything else, this is just something that investigators are looking at. because again without a suicide note these pilots could just as well have been heroes to try to stop this plane from going into the water as something nor nefarious. >> there is a scenario you can add to the list where somehow they were commandeered. the flight was commandeered. somebody in the back of the plane decided to hijack it. for whatever reason the pilots were able to either dupe the hijacker or somehow take control of the plane in some way. but perhaps they thought there was a bomb on board and the same thing to do was to park it in the ocean like shanksville, p.a. >> we simply don't know. again les abend, miles o'brien, appreciate it.
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up next a remarkable rescue caught on video. an apartment building under construction in houston went up in flames. a worker trapped on a balcony with the flames approaching. we'll talk with the firefighter who is out on that ladder there desperately trying to get to this construction worker in time. an extraordinary story ahead. marge: you know, there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber. try phillips fiber good gummies. they're delicious, and a good source of fiber to help support regularity. wife: mmmm husband: these are good! marge: the tasty side of fiber. from phillips.
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building grabbed her cell phone, started taking video. it needs no narration. just the raw video tells the story. take a look. >> he was inside there. do they see him? oh, my god. oh, god, oh, god, oh, god. oh, god. oh, my god. oh, no oh, no oh, no. oh, my god. >> look at the glass meting up there. see the window melting? >> they need to get him. oh, jesus. oh, god. oh, god. hell, he can jump from there. i mean, good grief. they need to move that truck up.
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oh, my god. i think that we probably should be going. >> time to evacuate, guys. >> hell yes. oh, thank jesus. thank you, god. >> oh, my god. [ screaming ] >> oh, no, my god. >> hey, what about this guy? >> they got him. >> just extraordinary. remarkably no one was hurt in the fire. the firefighter on the end of that ladder and helped rescue the construction worker, senior captain brad hawthorne of the houston fire department. he joins me tonight. >> captain, this rescue is extraordinary. when the video starts, how long had the fire been going on about at that point? >> not long. we pulled up and there wasn't much fire but it moved through
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the entire building in a couple of minutes. >> it moved that fast. >> it moved extremely fast. fastest-moving fire i've ever been to. >> when you arrived on the scene and your team arrived on the scene, were you needily aware this construction worker was trapped up there? >> we had reports. our chief told us to go to the north side of the building, there was three men trapped on the roof. so we got there, positioned the ladder truck, and got the ladder set up to the roof when we started noticing we had a small amount of fire on the left side, climbed about halfway up the ladder i noticed the whole attic roof was on fire. then just seconds later by the time i get to the top of the ladder the entire roof was completely involved in fire. >> was it moving that fast because of the winds? why was it moving so fast? >> the wind and just the construction. it was really fast, faster than i expected. >> you're on the edge of the ladder, right? >> right, yes. >> we see the ladder going
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toward the guy. were you afraid he would jump or something before you reached him? >> it was always possible. i mean, if it gets hot enough, most people will jump before they'll burn. >> that ladder looks like it's moving pretty fast. that must be pretty -- you're obviously experienced. that's got to be pretty frightening to be out on an extended ladder like that moving fast. >> well, it's not typically a practice we like doing except under emergency situations. moving a ladder with guys on it. but we knew that seconds counted this one. >> the ladder couldn't get all the way to where the construction worker was. there's a limit to where it can go. >> we got it over to him about a couple feet short. that's when i told him to hold up at first so he wouldn't jump until we got it to the right point. then i waved him to come on. and that's when i kind of got up there, gave him a little room. he jumped over and i grabbed him
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as quick as i could so he didn't slip. then my my chauffeur started moving the ladder to the right to get us away from the wall. within five seconds the wall and floor collapsed. >> did the guy say anything to you when he finally made it on the ladder? >> we kind of looked at each other, slapped each other's hands, smiled and thank you, jesus. >> i can imagine. how's he doing, do you know? >> it was close. he's doing fine. doing fine. we seen him after all this was over, i'd have probably been more shook up. he was calm, cool, collected through the whole thing. and he's doing really good. he was back to work two hours later. >> we're watching this building collapse as you're pulling away. it's incredible. when it starts to collapse, can you tell the building is falling? i don't know where you were looking but do you see it coming toward you? >> you could hear the cracking and the popping of the fire, breaking boards.
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it did get louder for an instant, then you could feel the heat. and we was swinging to the right which it kept us out of the fire. and it saved us. my chauffeur did a good job getting us out of the heat. >> you all did an incredible job. i hope you get a beer or something after this. how do you relax after this? it's so stressful just watching i'm getting nervous. >> right. it can be scary. but we train a lot. and you try to do it just where it's i guess -- don't know how to explain it. just doing your job. just human nature. just doing the job and making it -- it just happens. >> i'm glad you're out there. i'm sure a lot of people in houston are as well. thank you so much for all you do. >> thank you. >> just amazing story and heroic effort by captain brad hawthorne and the rest of the houston fire department. the work the firefighters do is extraordinary. from that rescue in texas, the firefighters working the scene of a devastating landslide in washington state, risking their
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lives to save others. we think about them tonight. some breaking news out of boston today. at least two firefighters died. 13 others were injured in a fast-moving nine-alarm fire west of downtown. as of now, we don't know what caused that fire. our hearts go out to the boston firefighters. we'll be right back. at&t's new pricing for families you get 4 lines on at&t's network... including unlimited talk unlimited text ...and 10 gigs of data to share. 10 gigs? 10 gigs. all for $160 dollars a month. you know, i think our family really needed this. it's really gonna bring us closer together. yep. yep. yep. yep. yep. yep. introducing our best-ever family pricing for instance, a family of four gets 10 gigs of data with unlimited talk and text for 160 dollars a month. only from at&t.
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