thanks for sharing thoughts. that's it for me. i will be back at 5:00 p.m. eastern. another special edition of a two-hour situation room. the mystery surrounding the malaysia airlines flight. newsroom with brooke baldwin starts right now. >> lots of things to show you today. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you so much for being with us. we will begin in the search for flight 370. japan is saying the satellites have found precisely ten objects floating in the courage indian ocean. these are big objects as well. one is reportedly 26 feet long and 13 feet wide. this news hours after the release of these pictures. new satellite images showing objects 300 of them. this is the biggest number we have toward. this is a thai satellite monday.

i look and see specks. experts look at these and say they are shiny. that could be significant. adding to the intrigue, they were seen just 125 miles from the area where the french satellite spotted some 100 objects. lots of pictures and possible clues here. the real question is this. could the sightings be the same field moving quickly with currents in the rough indian ocean. that's one question. next is despite all the new leads and the task of getting to the objects is getting tougher. high risk and the way it is, very low probability of seeing anything out there at all. >> because of that, forced to return early from the search zone because of these brutal conditions. let's go straight to perth,

australia. here he is, will ripley up live for us. we know this navy lieutenant commander said aircrews who were out there and his words were the crews were beaten up by the rough conditions. how will it be in a couple of hours? >> that's the million dollar question, brooke. we don't know. that's how volatile this is. about 1700 miles southwest of perth. the wind is picking up and it's early fall in this part of the world. they are talking about conditions where you have great visibility. eight planes up over the area and they thought it was going to be good and all of a sudden things got ugly in a very, very quick manner. gale force winds and ice forming on the wings and they had to turn around for their own safety. they couldn't see anything and the point of this search is to

be able to look at the water and scan and look for debridebris. they are not able to see much either. until we get better visibility, our hands are tied. wean the satellites are seeing the debris fields or one big field. we can't get to it. that's a problem. >> let's take a listen to what they are saying. >> whether it was zero visibility, we have high risk flying additions and with the visibility the way it is, very low probability of seeing anything out there at all. >> that's the news here as far as the conditions. hopefully it's better in a couple of hours. we know standard operating procedure that the families of the passengers have been offered a trip to perth where you are if and when they start finding the debro. what about the malaysian government who may be sending a celligation there. . >> we learned that there is a

high level delegation from the government who will be heading here soon. they plan on stopping by the consulate to get answers about when they will be here. these are high ranking government officials along with the malaysian airlines representatives and finally going to be here in person. they have been communicating a lot over the phone and the internet and passing and sharing information. as we get closer, we hope to find something. they will be here to help coordinate the efforts and help coordinate things when families start arriving if there is confirmed wreckage. >> in perth, we talked about on the pictures, remember now the handful of debris sightings, not a single piece has been found visually. not a single piece has been verified as flight 370. is this making the case that searchers are in the right area?

let's talk about this with biologist and ocean debris specialist nick malace. welcome back and out of the gate, what are the odds of finding this many pieces of debris scattered in the same area of this very remote ocean? >> i think that's a key point. as i said earlier, certainly there is a lot of debris, particularly plastics and other buoyant color that was scattered on the ocean surface. when you start to look at the satellite imagery, starting with the debris and this morning waking up to learn that the thai government documented what could be upwards of 320 pieces or so all in a relatively small area when we look at the scale of the ocean. it points to the potential for this malaysia wreckage.

we are cautiously optimistic of the debris at this time. >> what are about the process? i can only imagine the families are frustrated with the great pictures. where is the actual debris. i don't know if you know and obviously you are not in on the search, but what might the process be between time lapse and seeing the satellite photos to analyzing the photos to dispatching planes to getting vessels out there on the water? how long does it have to take? >> i can't speak to the actual time of the process, but what i can say and as we will note, the weather changes very drastically in a short amount of time and the ocean is a dynamic environment. it is possible from the time these images were taken to the deployment of the vessels to try to get a visual confirmation, it is not out of the realm of possibility for the travel upwards of several hundred

miles. >> once they find it, they have to track back and find the initial wreckage. to further your point, i keep hearing the phrase roaring 40s. i think that refers to the latitude. can you explain that to me? >> the roaring fou ining 40s, t particularly windy areas and the weather conditions can be particularly hazardous. as we have seen with the storms that have been roaring in and the poor visibility and the heavy rains, all of the variabilities not only make the search and rescue difficult, but all of that will aid in the movement and transport of the debris on the surface as well s as. >> given this part of the world shrinks in weeks and months and that's something they will have to battle if they are still out there. thank you very much for your expertise. talking about the pilot's son,

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to reflect the theories and speculation. 53-year-old captain shaw worked for malaysia air since 1981. the pilot's youngest son spoke out to this english language newspaper and i will quote. "i've read everything online and i've ignored all the speculation. i know my father better. he may not be as close as he travels so much, but i understand him." . in addition this, they strongly came out defending the pilot and copilot when he talked to our correspondent jim clancy. >> you knew the captain. some people point a finger at him. >> i think -- they are going the wrong way. participating a finger at him. >> you knew the copilot. what can you say about him? >> he's a nice young man. a good young man.

i come from the same place. his father learned the koran by heart. he teaches the koran. he also learned the koran by heart. he's a good muslim. i know that the captain is a good muslim. >> the u.s. official told cnn nothing is jumping out so far from the fbi's review of hard drives. so joining me now is richard quest and analyst who is also a pilot of the 777. richard, i want to begin with you on the notion of objectivity. the real question to me, listening to that and learning more well the pilot, is it possible that the government's investigation of this man can be considered unbiassed or given the pilot's support of the

opposition in malaysia. >> absolutely. the malaysian authorities, the police's ability to conduct a rigorous investigation, i think it's not in question where this is concerned. firstly and not least because the allegations concerning the opposition and the supposed relationship he has to the opposition leader, his brother's mother's cousin's uncle twice removed. so far-fetched. i can concede that politics in malaysia does not run on the straight and narrow tracks of many democracies. to suggest that the branch are not going to conduct an investigation is simply wrong.

if only at least there so many other organizations from the fbi from the. >> we all heard this and read it that the pilot or copilot has been overblown. >> the scrutiny is part of the investigation process. i understand that. i don't think that i agree with richard, but making the scrutiny a public display in the investigation process bothers me. what i find fascinating is that the ceo of the airline is such a tight knit group that he knows both the copilot and the captain. i find that fascinating. they all know each other. being such a tight knit group, they know that the personalities and the dispositions and if

there was anything that was a wry, i think as a pilot group, this would be brought to somebody's attention. >> you would hope so at least. richard quest let me get back to the big story of the day. early is the light images, i was talking about an oceanographer, he said this can't be coincidence that you have these possible debris fields. 300 objects here and 10 here. i get back to the point and i hear this from a lot of people. it's such a delay between seeing the pictures and getting out there and getting the debris in their hands. >> i have got the pictures in front of me from the thai satellite authority. if it looks like a duck and smells like a duck and walks like a duck, you start to say it's a duck. we had french satellite pictures and chinese satellite pictures

and now have the thai satellite pictures. yes, i know this area of the sea is being called the word's garbage area, but 300 pieces in a fairly close format in this manner, i think you have got to -- that is why also, brooke, i'm quite confident that in the time they will get there. you now have successive satellite pictures. the 60th and the 23rd and the 24th. you have successive details that shows roughly where it is. >> they top the get this in their hands. the big question is how did the plane enter the water and you can examine the debris and look for smoke marks. i'm curious if you would know this. we also have to conclude that a lot of it is you should water, what would be floating? >> that's a good question. that's what i was contemplating. it's probably of similar

material is my first guess. i'm skeptical. we have gone over the fact that it may not be that. it could be seat cushions or the life jackets under the seat. i would say it's got to be similar color collecting together if that's what it is. >> japanese are saying shiny. might it be possible with the links and the objects? just speculation. if it is piece of the plane, could a wing float? is that a crazy thought? >> the wing floating is very much a possibility from the standpoint of the wings if we go with the scenario floating until they were empty, there is empty airspace. you can keep the wing floating. >> thank you both very much. i know les will be sticking around because the questions keep coming and i keep checking my twitter. it's incredible.

could the pilots have been flying blind? we will be answering the questions on air. also ahead, the worst incident involving malaysia airlines before this year was a hijacking that remains unsolved to this day. next. special coverage continues.

. malaysian air brings back all kinds of painful memories for those who lot of loved ones. until now was the worst in

aviation history. i'm talking about the hijacking and crash of malaysian air flight 5653. that was in 1977 and to this day the motive for that hijacking is still a mystery. cnn talked to the son of one of the victims of that terrible day. >> this is it. i'm stuck in that picture. >> he fills his relationship with his father will forever be stuck in 1977. his father richard died when he was just 12 years old, about the same age his own son is today. >> i can only guess what he was like. he never got to know me as an adult. that is a feeling of regret and my family and children. they were call killed when the deadly event in airlines history until the disappearance of 370.

the transcripts of the last 32 minutes shows that a hijacker entered the cockpit demanding the pilot cutoff radio contact. the captain said he will do whatever he wants, but the hijacker shoots the captain and first officer and the plane crashes. who the hijacker was remains a mystery to this day. cnn has spoken to a woman whose father also died on board flight 653. the disappearance of the flight brought back difficult memories. the hardest thing of all is 37 years down the line, we still don't know the truth. >> for a few years, it was a bleak time. i felt that's what happened. it was the thing that you refer to for a long time. >> for years, tom said he

imagined his father was lot of and wandering in the jungle and waiting to be rescued. >> so far. >> as an adult he made a pilgrimage to the crash site. visiting the memorial has been a part of the acceptance. a monument or something he thinks that is something the families will need as well as each other. >> they should stay together and communicate and find the experiences that told people to have the shared experience. >> and memories. he enjoys listening to his recordings and sharing them with his children. the grieving process is yet to begin. families are still in shock and some in denial. >> it's not something which goes away quickly. you do have to get used to it. it's a lifetime of processing

the belief. it's a phase of something you have. it does get easier, but it never goes away. that sense of loss never ever goes away. >> kuala lumpur, malaysia. >> back to the coverage of the still missing plane, the big story, these pictures. investigators are looking at the satellite imagery, this one showing 300 objects in the ocean. chaotic currents and wild weather making it difficult to get out and find that debris. plus cnn did some investigating and impacts how all of us fly. you are watching cnn's special coverage. i'm nathan and i quit smoking with chantix. when my son was born, i remember, you know, picking him up and holding him against me.

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the same vicinity. will they zero in on any of that that drifts away with wild currents. what we know is this. flight 370 disappeared for two possible reasons. one is a catastrophic event and the other is something more nepharious. the pilot's son is telling the newspaper i read everything online and ignored all the speculation. i know my father better. we may not be as close since he travels so much, but i understand him. let's talk about the debris field. chad meyers joins me and to me the pictures are joining us. we thought this was a lot and now we have 300 from thai satellites. when we talk about the chunks, forgive my lack of technical term, the chunks of debris

fields, how far apart are they? >> some over 200 miles. that's a big distance to flow anything around. it has been in the water now if it did crash there and these are pieces, they have been in the water for three weeks. you can move a very long distance in three weeks. the average current is about a half mile per hour. i don't want to do math on tv here, but that's well over 200 miles. if you blow wind and something is sticking out like a cooler is sticking out of the water, that will be pushed along by the wind. that will change where that will end up as well. all these things are spread out and it's probably understandable how far they are spread out. we had storm after storm roll over that search box. yesterday was ugly. they didn't get out at all, but today and tonight and 7:00 p.m. is their 7:00 a.m., it will get better. here's what they have been dealing with with one satellite

flying over the area at a time. we have the debris about 200 miles further south, but it makes a big difference. the debris we are seeing is about 30 miles from the japanese debris right here. 30 miles in 72 hours. remember the speed? a half mile per hour. that's about where this pushes. if you look at the currents going all directions -- >> looks like a van gogh painting. >> it is. the camera can do a better job than me zooming in, but it's spinning around right here. if the debris is caught here, it could go this way and some caught here or here. this will end up in a very large area. the fact that it is spread out is not that unusual. the good news is we will get an air and sea search coming up at 7:00 a.m. because the weather is much better today. >> i was reading with the search area and again it's about the

beginning of fall there. the sun is moving in and they have 15 hours of daylight for i search now and in a couple of months, who knows how long they will be out there looking for this. nine hours. >> that's true. take another look at this. it doesn't matter. we have all of these earth-orbiting satellites. 22 miles in space above the equator. if that is trying to look at 45 degrees south, it is hitting it at a 45 degree angle. you can't even see the south pole. it's looking down like this rather than looking straight on. you love to have a satellite flying over the top. we talk about these. a couple of different times. the satellites that are basically the highest and lowest to the ground satellite. they will fly in a circle around the globe. it keeps going in relation to the stars. it stayings in the same spot.

it keeps going and going and going. the earth spins underneath it. we are taking a picture of the earth once a day. this way and once a day this way. you don't get that many images. you can't say pan out to the left or the right. it doesn't work that way. once it goes by, it takes another 24 hours for it to come back on this path. the other is typically dark. image a day. it's not like the movies where we are looking at osama bin laden and he is easing a cheese sandwich. it doesn't work that way. >> we will understand what we are dealing with. let's get to this. we have breaking news here on cnn. woo are getting word that the number of people who enrolled in obamacare hit the 6 million mark. traveling with the president is jim acosta. let's talk obamacare.

a symbolic victory, but still short of their goal? >> reporter: well, the original estimate from the obama administration was seven million, but earlier they said it will be six million because of the problems with the website. the administration did not latch on to the latest number, but you can pretty much surmise that they are pleased that they reached the 6 million enrollee number. let's add a couple of caveats. one is we don't know how many people have paid for coverage. we don't have that number. we also don't know of the six million, what the make up is in terms of young people. they need that good mix of young adults in there in order for the program to be more sustainable. we are waiting on the numbers. if the president is announcing during this trip that 6 million people signed up for obamacare while he is around and talking

about people and the white house feels pretty good about it. >> in rome, italy, thank you for coming up. a busy thursday. we know the rate at which children are diagnosed with autism has risen. this is according to the centers for disease control and prevention. we are learning that the cdc released the estimate and said one in 68 children has autism and just perspective for all of us here, that's a huge jump. used to be one in 88. that was the figure from two years ago. we know that the cdc looked at health and educational records in 11 different states to reach this conclusion. i'm sharing with you now for more on this new autism report. we want to encourage to you go to cnn.com/health for more on that. coming up, we will get back to the breaking news coverage of the flight 370. we will take your questions.

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stephanie has a closer look. >> every accident affects the future of aviation. we learn so much from it. >> the jetliner catastrophe doesn't happen often, but when they do, the impact on air travel can be global. in light of the mystery of malaysia airlines flight 370, the radar technology is being called into question. >> it seems pretty craze tow me that in 2014 a plane can just disappear. >> i agree with you. anybody can buy a little spot locator to transmit to is the lights and we know where the person was. why such things are not on board every jetliner, i don't know. >> the federal aviation administration mandated by 2020 all commercial aircraft have gps on board. the faa doesn't call the shots for international skies. >> the way aviation happens,

it's very local and dependent on goal regulations. governments at the local level. >> after 9/11, changes were made. cockpit doors were reinforced. long before 2001, calls for the very improvement from some groups fell on deaf ears. >> the industry is hard for us to spend monoanything above and beyond what is mandated by government. we will talk about this, but in the end you won't see a lot of action. >> any changes will take years. the major reason is cost. while there many suggestions from cameras in the cockpit and cabin to streams flight data in realtime. this will cost millions of dollars and have to be implemented by a system that moves millions of passengers a day. who will pay for the upgrades? in the u.s., the airlines, the taxpayers and ultimately passengers. >> do you think maybe now the

world will change how we fly? >> we learned that we need to keep track of airplanes flying across the world. we need to know where they are at all times. more today perhaps than any other time. >> one issue here is how planes fly in and out of airspaces with different nations. this is getting better, but it is still very slow going. >> what about an agreement or consensus that addresses international airline protocol? >> right. that's one issue that we are looking into. there is not anything that covers how planes work and how airlines work throughout the world. you can see an incident like this, it becomes a worldwide problem. that's something that needs to be addressed, but is not addressed at this point. >> the whole world is looking for this. thank you so much. coming up next, keep the questions coming.

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first question from david. david wants to know could something have happened to cause the pilot to fly blind and get lot of? and navigation? is that plausible? >> not likely. it's a very sophisticated airplane and you have to know the battery power on that. the short answer is no. >> the next question as we know, this thing roars itself and you have two hours of recording. if the cockpit holds two hours

of time, what do you think of that? you have more when you find it. it's an area that not only records voices that are transmitted over the radio, but it records internal conversations in the cockpit in addition that, it records sounds and sounds are important in the investigation. it might mean a flat panel was used. sounds associated with certain actions in the cockpit. a flight attend act coming into the cockpit. we have gone from a 30-minute voice recording to two hours and perhaps longer than that to help us. the problem may have originated and we talked so much about getting and hearing that traffic

and if and when we get our hands on it, it's the ambient noise that can lend to clues. >> it's very important. documented cases of accidents in the past. is that the sound of the flat panel and can be critical. >> a question from priscilla. why can't they have a flat panel recorder and a processor or tower-like telephone that records all the data. we wouldn't have to rely finding flight data recorders and putting it all up on a cloud. i fly the north atlantic and

that company has the imagine parameters. >> that's great, what about this plane? >> i can't speak for malaysia airlines, but it sounds like they didn't have the program that dem nated the data. i agree that there has to be security and it can be misinterpreted. >> here's the question i have not seen yet. could the pilots have bailed out when over land at 12,000 feet because they were afraid to return? is that possible? we hear about the 12,000 foot altitude post dramatic left hand turn? is that even possible? >> you are talking 12,000 feet.

>> that's pretty high. >> it's not even height, but the airplane would be pressurized and opening up a door would be next to impossible even at that altitude. highly unlikely. if the airplane even unpressurized tried to open a door in the slip spring makes it difficult. >> our aviation expert, priceless having you here. coming up, we will have more on the investigation of both the captain and his much younger copilot and what the sources are telling us about the two men. we keep talking because it's the big story. the satellite images and possible debris field. how exactly are crews trained to spot objects with their naked eyes? we will tell you. and seeing what happened inside president obama's very first meeting with pope francis this morning. next. want to give your family the very best

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. >> president obama's meeting with the last pope, pope benedict. he came face-to-face with the new that happened on pope francis's turf in vatican city. president obama presented the pope with a gift, a bag of seeds and the box was made from timber from the first cathedral to open in the united states in baltimore. the friendly gestures didn't end there.

>> president obama said his holiness is the only person in the world that has to put up with more protocol. max is in japan competing in the world figure skating championship. but the national champ had to overcome a lot just to get to that point. >> looking at the grace of the jumps and turns, you would never guess that the 22-year-old figure skater started skating on a different kind of ice. he started as a toddler and fell in love with ice hockey the first time he picked up a stick. >> i wanted to play university of michigan hockey and that was my goal. my dream. >> he will make up for the lack. he started figure stating in the off season to help his game. he started his days figure

skating and ending. by 2007, he was well on the way to fulfilling his game. he was on the usa hockey development team. in 2008 i kept pushing on and now both seasons were over. we were in the gym. we were lifting weights and we were doing a dead lift. it seized up and i tilted over. i couldn't walk and get off the ground. >> his back was broken. i picked these up off the ground. i wanted it on the ice. >> he to come back slowly and wear just one pair of skates. >> i decided i will figure skate and pursue that as far as i can. >> the medals started adding up, including a bronze in 2010 junior national.

the goal in 2011 junior nationals and the gold in 2013 nationals. >> if you told me about the national championship figure skating, i would say yeah, right. >> he was the alternate for the sochi olympics and now he is skating for a world title in japan. >> i was talking to the doctors and they were saying. >> on top of the next hour, you are watching special live coverage of flight 370. here's the news today. the search is zeroing in thanks to a cluster of satellite from around the world. news just in, japan is saying that its satellites have found about notes floating right there in the southern indian ocean. one piece is some 26 feet long by 13 feet in width. nearby and this is the biggie from the thailand satellite imagery spotting 300 separate

objects monday. experts took it a step further upon analysis and the adjective they are using to describe this is shiny. adjective is intrigue here. they were seen just 125 miles from the area where that french satellite spotted some 100 objects floating in the ocean. the question now, could all of these sightings be the same possible debris field moving with currents in the rough indian ocean. despite the pictures and the new leads, the task hereof getting to the objects is becoming difficult. >> it's fairly high risk and with the visibility the way it is, it's a low probability of seeing anything out there at all. >> this means translation, all

search planes are grounded until further notice. i want to focus on the pictures especially the one 300 possible shiny objects. joining us is jeff wise. nice to have you on. you are a science journalist and many of us are reading your pieces to see what you are seeing here. out of the gate, you look at the pictures and the clusters, if you will, of the possible debris fields, what do you see? >> when you look at it, it's hard to recognize something that looks really airplane-like. you remember air france 447, the iconic image of the air france tail fin, the red, white, and blue. you knew in a glance that's what we were talking about. any of the images for weeks now, it really has that resonance. it could be different parts of the airplane and different

states of having fallen apart and so forth. that's not to say this is not the real deal. at the same time day after day, we have been tantalized by the evidence. >> that's right. a perfect word. you want to see more. it's frustrating that these searchers on the sea and in the air are having a hard time getting to the material. you would think did we see it? it's there. >> not that easy. they had to bail yesterday because the weather was horrendo horrendous. it's not really. let me ask you this. as we look at the different pictures that look like specks to us, i'm curious with your knowledge of planes, this is the if. it is plane debris.

what would be floating? >> every time you get on a plane and you don't pay attention to the briefing, seat cushions. every seat that your butt is on is designed to float. they have configurations of around 400 seats. those will be small. that will be about the lower limit of what a satellite can see. they float really well. they have a wing that drained all of the fuel. they have a big air pocket there. that can maintain the structural integrity. if it's partially compromised, it might be half sunk and half afloat. they might be partially submerged. >> let me move off the debris to the piece you read that came out. you are asking the questions on this groundbreaking map. your word from this british

satellite company. they used to determine the plane's path ending as they now said. that was in the southern indian ocean. you mentioned caveats to their analysis. such as? >> the big caveat, the big unknown is in order to make this tal clagz work, you have to plug in a presumed speed. they used 450 knots which i think is a reasonable speed to use. every plane flies at the most reasonable speed at the most reasonable altitude. the speed that corresponds to mach 22 varies. presuming this speed and there is a route that you can plug in. you get a certain point at which it arrives. there is uncertainties as to

winds aloft and instead of generating a point, you generate an area. that's the possibility map. where the debris is likely to be based on the output position. it's a very impressive piece of mathematical production, but it requires assumptions going into work. in the document that they put together, they show if your assumption is 400 knots instead of 450, you wind up with a different search area. in effect, the roof bends to the north. it remains on that famous ark that you can see now. it's much further to the north. if we keep not finding it, very tricky things. this doesn't always happen on the ground. it lays out a grid and if you search, if you don't find

anything, it's not here. let's look somewhere else. >> not that easy. it's the ocean. >> you can't see all the time. you might see that this particular area here is clear and this area is clear. pass pass this is the roaring 40s. one of the worst areas possible in the world for this to have happened. all the questions in the mathematical deductions, this is part of the reason that we say we don't need this. we need proof. thank you so much. we appreciate it. an eczema lazia airlines ceo sat dawn with our correspondent and people blaming the pilot, he said they are wrong. >> you knew the captain. some people point a finger at him. >> he's an excellent pilot. i think they are going the wrong

waypointi ining fingers at him. >> you also knew the copilot. what do you think about him? >> he's a nice young man. a good young man. i come from the same base. his father learned the koran by heart. he teaches the koran. he also learned the koran by heart. he's a good muslim. i know that the captain is a good muslim. >> let me take you to perth, australia. will ripley is standing by past 3:00 in the morning your time. we talk about the weather. it was nasty yesterday. search crews had to bail. how is today faring? >> the planes are due to take off beginning about two hours from now. the plan is that they will try to fly and see what happens. it's about a four-hour flight and 1700 miles from perth, where

we are. anything can happen between now and then. we are told by the local weather forecasters that there should be a good window of opportunity for good visibility. that will help not only the planes flying over the area looking for the debris field, but help the five ships on the ocean right now. they have been riding out the storm and haven't been able to do much. the debris is floating so radar is useless. they need a visual line of sight and visibility has been nonexistent because of the low hanging clouds. >> you may not have the answer and that's okay, but as we talk about the search window right this morning, do you have any idea how long it would take the planes to fly to where we think the debris is? >> yeah. it takes about 3 1/2 to 4 hours just to get there. that's why they are taking off so early at 5:00 a.m. before the sun comes up. they want to maximize the good

weather. we had a couple of days where the weather was decent, but yesterday we thought the weather would be good. it turned out to be awful. ice forming and they had to turn around. when the crew members were told, they couple of them never made it off the ground. cnn was there with them. they were visibly upset and disappointed that they were not able to fly. they want to try to find something tangible and bring it back to the families. >> how frustrating. then again back to sound from jim clancy's interview. malaysia airlines ceo. we are hearing from the pilot's youngest son, breaking his silence. what did he say? >> you know, he was interviewed by one of the two major newspapers in you kuala lumpur. they have been on the story trying to get what they can. they did a-minute interview. 26 years old, the youngest son

who lot of his father. listening to his father be called everything from a hero to a hijacker. the quote he told the paper and all the speculation about what happened. he said i read everything online. i ignored all the speculation. i know my father better. this is a young man whose family is going through so much. he is trying to stay strong. he said as hard as it is for him, it's harder for the other members of his family. they are struggling like the other families. >> in perth, thank you so much. appreciate you. coming up next, we will look at the part of the flight that may offer the most clues into what happened the first hour. within that hour, that's when the transponder stopped communicating and the copilot radioed in that all right, good night and when the plane changed course. have we learned more about why any of that happened? the battery in the so-called

black box lasts for about 30 days. now cnn learned malaysia airlines allegedly has a track record for storing the batteries improp improperly. how that could change the search.

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. >> welcome back. i'm brooke baldwin in the search for flight 370. reporting objects found by satellite. the biggie today, 300 objects. this is according to thailand. japan said they spotted more.

this is what i wanted to reexamine. let's reconstruct the crucial phase of the catastrophic journey. the retired airline pilot and standing by with our aviation correspondent here. welcome back and i know that this part intrigues you. as we look at this, 40 minutes after take off, that is when the airplane is, when we watched the red line. this is when it veers off course. we see it right here and heads back over malaysia, it's down to 12,000 feet. you, sir, believe the intent is clear as it is descending this thing was trying to land. >> we talked about it before. when it turned and we didn't have the information, now we have confirmation. malaysian radar have a different

malaysia from 45,000. the other from 35,000. the crews are down to 12. in the direction of a known large accessible airport. the pilot was probably familiar. not assuming in the two-minute turn to reverse direction and descending and we don't have a lot of information on how fast. it shows the decompression and otherwise they are landing. he's not in a rush. he needs to get down by the time he is at the airport. he turns towards that. the thai radar reports and they said it's towards a town. right next to this town, it's an island. from their point of view, it's towards a town. there is a long accessible runway for me. somewhere shortly there after, the airplane heads south and climbs back. >> let's get to that in a minute. at the 12,000 footmark, this

plane looks to be trying to land? >> i don't agree at all. we haven't had conversation from any source with the change in altitude. we had sources with one source that was reported by one of the u.s. networks that said it went up to 45,000 feet and down to 23,000 feet. during the course of the week, they reported this 12,000. sources told them and we have never had it confirmed. >> you are not buying this. >> it may well be true, but at the moment we don't know. i also don't buy this airport theory at the moment. there were plenty of

opportunities coming back over malaysia. something could have been -- there was a warning. there is an air force base on the western peninsula of malaysia where the plane was going. what about a suitable runway. you have the turn out along the straights of malaka. then you have the southern run which would then have to take the plane back up to 35,000 feet. put it all and it may be true, but we don't have a fact on that crucial issue of 12,000 feet. >> i have the same reaction initially. i have been reading the asian news sources. we had a few additional facts. the facts were not just one, but several thai radar is traveling. we all have a suspicion at the beginning. i'm a military pilot and radar is designed to intercept airports coming in.

you have to know their altitude. they are designed to detect the altitudes. the fact that there is a variance between them, that's true. each is the same amount of altitude lot of. the thai radar is in a better position as you get on top of the malaysian radar. altitude is more difficult to tomorrow. i'm going to the thai radar. i agree. we don't know, but i believe enough cross referencing has been done. >> i hear you. >> just jump over to the captain. to follow your theory, after the turn that goes back down south, that's quite a long way south and back across the malaysian peninsu peninsula. even allowing for decompression or whatever else, we know there was some control. they then did the westerly turn.

no other warning or no other message. what would your theory be on that? >> it's very difficult other than the pilots are so busy or thought they were communicating and why not. there is not a good answer for that. every theory has large holes in it, but if i was a jeopardy or thought my caulk hit would be compromised. it appears to go in that direction. it doesn't go down to 10,000. there 8,000 foot ridges in the middle at night. he might have been giving himself extra room. he did have that report of 5,000 would would be a decent for landing. >> we need that debris and i don't know about the black box. we have to leave it there. thank you. coming up, tracking this debris and oceanographers are analyzing the data and the currents and the waves and the size of

possible debris. so he is using all of this to come up with a formula to determine where the debris field would be today. could it help? families in china are stuck in a hotel. dealing with the heard ache and the mystery and anguish as they await answer asks experts who dealt with trauma said this is adding to the pain. we take a closer look at the trauma of simply waiting, next. benefiber is clear, taste-free and dissolves completely. and unlike other fibers, you'll only know you're taking fiber by the way good digestive health makes you look& and feel. benefiber. clearly healthy.

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. >> welcome back. 20 days have ticked by each day

nearing closer to where the black box is goes silent. the pingers comes with an expiration date, about 30 days of juice. he has spoke tone an expert who said the batteries may already be dead. >> the batteries are tested every 30,000 hours, but in addition every year they should be changed. i asked what's the chances going to make 30 days or past 30 days? he said it won't. his audit proved that those batteries were stored in very hot and humid areas. he said that's a problem that needed to be addressed. the batteries in my estimation it may not make seven days. it may have not made it today. >> given what they said, these pingers told cnn they are not aware and said he is confident someone would have brought it to

his attention. he agrees that "it's not ideal to store it in hot conditions and yes, it would shorten the life of the battery." the big take away if the pinger is already zapped, how will searchers ever find the plane's black box? one expert described t the indian ocean can look like a washing machine. this video was taken before the plane disappeared, but shows how pulverizing the waves can number this order part of the world. we have been talking a lot about currents going this way and that way and the weather conditions have been awful the last 24 hours. >> you have been obsessed with this. >> i have. this is sort of known for chaotic currents. >> if you go 10 degrees further south, the furious 50s. 10 degrees further south, the screaming 60s.

it doesn't get better. if the plane flew longer, it didn't get better. >> you have nicknames for this part of the world? that's not a good thing. >> when 50 mile per hour winds and waves 30 feet high, you are talking about not being able to see anything that is threating or white on the surface. the entire ocean is white. this turned into a foam bath. like a bubble bath. with this area here, that's going away and right over the search area. still we are at 30 miles per hour right now at this hour. it will continue to get better as the day goes on. we will move it along for you. there is the search area that pushings off to the east. the bad weather. this will come onshore here. the viewers will see the reporters in perth will get pounded later on today. if you fly the 2,000 or 700

miles all the way over to this area, it gets better. i don't think this is going it to move for us. trust me, the weather gets better today. the winds will be more like 10 miles per hour and at least that's not the bubble bath that we described. >> i'm curious because we talked so much about the currents and yes we see the pictures on the debris could be from the plane. i think about what lies beneath. with the current, would that really talk about the ooze on the bottom of the ocean, would that turn as well or is that sediment stuck? >> it's far enough down where it doesn't churn. there different layers that you can't get all the way down 2 1/2 miles to make it murky. if the pinger has stopped pinging, there is a sonar that will drive and with thermal down there, some of them pop right back up and they never get all the way down there. this doesn't get easier if the pinger has indeed gone away. >> that's why i asked. that's really the question.

the questions can lie at the bottom of the ocean floor. chad was talking about the weather and the wind and the waves and all of this is heading at difficulty of the possible debris. how do you actually find these items drifting in the ocean? cnn spoke with a navy oceanographer today who said she has come up with a formula who take this is into account. next to pinpoint the debris field. imagine if everything you learned led to the one job you always wanted. at university of phoenix, we believe every education- not just ours- should be built around the career that you want. imagine that.

we are past the bottom of the hour here on cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. more satellite images surrounding this mysterious debris field on the suspected crash site. ten objects have been spotted by

japan. thailand coming forward with this. they counted 300 shiny objects snapped by satellite monday. all in the same general vicinity, but the real question is this. the weather and the conditions. will that permit planes to zero in on any of it before it drifts away. thr 3:35 in the morning in perth, australia. you have visibility forcing them to double back to australia. they can't fly. five ships are continuing to look. the powerful ocean currents may carry many possible objects very long distances before search engines or ships can get out there and have this stuff in their hands. the goal is to figure out where the objects are headed. let's go straight to brian todd. he has an animated model showing this. you talked to experts today who

made this. how did they figure this out should >> they took sophisticated weather models from noaa and computerized models of currents and other calculations that will make your head swim. figuring out that dynamic in that region could be crucial. it came from the facility in northern virginia where a team led by former navy oceanographer developed the animation models for two of the important object deals spotted by satellite and using the expertise, they projected more spotted earlier this week could have drifted between when they were spotted and midday today. radioit about now. they spotted it by a french is the light when they projected, they also projected where the 300 objects could have drifted by today. here's where they said the 122

objects spotted by the french could be right about now. >> they were spotted on the 23rd and this field is about 60 miles on this axis from the southwest to the northeast. the pattern doesn't go to the north. it does go to the south again about 60 miles. >> to clarify, he said the object spotted by the french satellite could have drifted about 60 miles in three different directions. northeast, southwest and south. the 300 some objects spotted on monday that are not far away from the objects spotted by the french could have drifted about 60 to 65 miles in each direction. i asked if he could project the debris back in time to march 8th to when the last known signals came in, let's see where the plane may have hit the ocean if it did. he said it's much more difficult to project backward because of the amount of time that passed.

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incidents with batteries in cargo or baggage. the real danger are the lithium batteries which we all use in laptops and our personal electronics, but now in most cases the faa reported the batteries were undeclared and the performs never mentioned them and probably didn't package them properly. in some cases baggage handlers notice the baggage was on fire or hot to the touch. even flashlights started to smoke. there have been pretty serious incidents related to the batt y batteries in 2006. fire forced a u.p.s. plan to make an emergency landing. the pilot survived, but they found electronics in the cargo area where that fire started. in 2010, that was the big one. u.p.s. planes crashed in dubai. the boeing 787 was carrying 80 to 90,000 and a chain reaction

fire filled that cockpit with smoke. in that case both pilots died. >> we talked about that particular explosion, but help us understand. you have these batteries. how would a fire start and if they are so dangerous, why are they allowed on airplanes? >> that's the big question. the problem with the lithium batteries is they can short circuit. to give you an example, say you have loose batteries in a passenger's checked bag and maybe they put keys or coins or jewelry, that can create a circuit and a path for the electricity. it create this is extreme heat that leads to sparks and fire and gets so hot that one pilot said it can melt the plane's fuselage. lithium batteries are still allowed. i guess they figured they can put it out quickly. the faa did ban loose batteries

in checked bags. they don't come into contact with the things that create that short circuit. they can be checked if they are packaged properly. they can tape on the contact points to project them and avoid disasters. >> thank you so much. thank you. as in three weeks to be precise, very few answers throughout the investigation. some family members have remained in a hotel waiting if are any word of loved ones. one expert said it only adds more pain. we will take a closer look at the trauma of simply waiting. at&t's network... including unlimited talk unlimited text ...and 10 gigs of data to share. 10 gigs? 10 gigs. all for $160 dollars a month. you know, i think our family really needed this. it's really gonna bring us closer together. yep. yep.

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brooke baldwin. exhausted, angry, unable to go on without answers. they have spent each and every day waiting for definitive word on exactly what happened inside that plane. and cnn's david mckenzie introduces us to this one man who is emerging as their voice and he explains why the families cannot bear to give up hope. >> reporter: the trauma of waiting. for weeks, hundreds of family members of those on board flight 370 have been stuck in a hotel in beijing. the pressure cooker of grief and emotion. when they were told the plane went down, some via text message, it was overwhelming. then grief boiled over into anger. these families have banded

together and leaders, like steve wong, have emerged. without physical evidence, he believes his mother could still be alive, but the weight is weighing on them all. >> well, it is a hard time. all of us are exhausted, both mental and physical. we can do smog but simply wait so it is really a hard time. >> reporter: retired u.s. air force colonel gordon peters has experience dealing with trauma. he calls the situation terrible. >> they have no closure. they are not able to say, let's deal with this, let's discuss it. they still have confliction of, is my loved one alive? are they dead? >> reporter: often family members are stuck inside this conference room for hours each day. many tell me that they still

believe their family members are still alive, even if logically the chances seem quite remote. >> they go to bed at night and probably logically know it's happening but don't want to give up. they want to have the good moments with their life. they want to continue to hope for the best. >> reporter: and in a culture where family is everything, they are refusing to give up because the consequences are just too great. >> well, my mom used to say that where there are people, there are family. but one is lost. so i think it is a disaster to my family. >> reporter: david mckenzie, cnn, beijing. >> david, thank you. coming up, more on the investigation of the pilot and co-pilot. today, the captain's son is breaking his silence. you will hear from him ahead. back in 90 seconds. he has the most common kind... ...it's not caused by a heart valve problem.

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before i left you go today, i want to honor two heroes. boston firefighters. lieutenant edward walsh was 43 years old, kennedy, 43, both died on wednesday fighting a nine-alarm fire in a beautiful back bay neighborhood. nine alarm. that's as big as it gets. they ran into the building and helped people get out but it moved so fast, like a blow torch, that's how firefighter officials put it to us. they became trapped in the basement. in fact, tom brady lives all of

four doors away and he watched as boston firefighters went to work and this morning he paid tribute to these fallen men. >> i feel so badly for the family of the two firefighters that were lost and obviously all of the men that were associated with fighting that fire yesterday, losing one of their close friends. we as athletes think that we're heroes but when you witness what i did firsthand, you realize who the real heroes are in this world. >> kelly is on the phone, and we were texting before i went to bed. my condolences again. i just want to hear from you again. walsh was a father of three and kennedy a veteran of the u.s. marine corps. tell me more. >> two great guys. really, we lost two of the best firefighters we had in the city. both big, tough kids.

and he was like a natural leader, the strong, silent type who was certainly on the fast track to become a top chief. his father, uncles, cousins are all firefighters and michael was like the life of the party. just a great kid. i got to spent a fund-raiser with him together about two weeks ago and i had a great night. he kept me laughing all night. he's a super kid and the day the marathon was attacked last april, he performed quite heroically saving lives back when the terrorist attacked us. just two great guys. i had a pleasure of working with both of them. i had fires with both of those guys. like i said, we lost two of our best. >> you and these men are the

folks who run towards the flames and explosions be it boylston street or beacon street. can you tell me why you do what you do? >> you know, i think that as people, we're conditioned to jump into a fight and when you dial 911, that's our life. michael and kennedy were the epitome of that. the cornerstone of being a firefighter is your willingness to sacrifice and eddie and michael did a tremendous job. there were four or six people saved in that building. they did a tremendous job. it was a hellatious fire.

we just caught a really tough fire. >> heroes rescuing those folks out of the townhouse. and i know about a dozen firefighters were injured as well. we're thinking about them and the families. ed kelly, thank you for calling in. i wanted to take a moment to do that. thank you. i'm brooke baldwin. jim sciutto is up next for jake tapper. "the lead" starts now. planes will be in the air to search for flight 370. this is the "the lead." the world lead, satellite images show more debris that could be from the missing plane. and this investigation keeps coming back to the men at the controls. as speculation flies about possible motives, the captain's son is now coming forward to defend his father's honor. also in world news, you've got