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the pope gave the president two medallions and also a copy of his book. >> that does it for this hour. we'll see you again at 11:00 p.m. eastern for another live edition of "ac 360." as always if you can't stay up be sure to set your dvr every night so you can watch 360 whenever you want. "piers morgan live" starts now. this is "piers morgan live." tonight breaking news. the search of flight 370 is back on. a multinational force of ten planes currently racing to the search area about 1500 miles off australia's west coast. the same area where five countries have now picked up satellite images of what looks like debris. are we finally on the right track? is it the plane? and can we get there in time? every passing day winds and currents could push the objects further apart. the next few days could be our very best chance to find what remains of is in missing flight 370. why is it taking so long? what's the truth about all the eyes in the sky? who can see what and why they're being so secretive about it all. our big story is of course
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flight 370. the mystery remains. we're covering every angle with cnn's reporters all over the globe. kyung lah is in perth, australia. richard quest is here with me in new york. i want to start with kyung lah. it's 9:00 a.m. in perth. the search is resumresuming. the u.s. seventh fleet sending a second p 8 poseidon aircraft to perth. how significant is that? >> reporter: what it tells us they know they're searching in the right area. it's another bread crumb. all the satellite images we're getting out of this region. so they're getting close. they want to have the best tools to and go try to retrieve them, try to figure out and triangulate is this in fact the debris? the p 8 poseidon is perhaps the best item in the tool box for the u.s. military, because it is a long-range aircraft. it's an all-weather aircraft. when we were speaking to the p 8 crew yesterday, we are embedded to go on board the p 8 today.
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what they were saying is that ice is a factor. it's starting to turn as far as the weather there, cooler temperatures. so this plane, piers, is best equipped to deal with ice. >> and in terms of the various satellite images, kyung, are these images that they pick up anyway as a matter of course they've now looked and thought there may be a possible link? do you get this kind of imagery all the time? >> reporter: well, the governments are being quite guarded about the movements of the satellites, about how they're obtaining them. they're being very cautious. certainly you can understand when you talk about this particular region of the world, asia, southeast asia, all of these governments want to be very careful about exactly what they reveal about their military prowess, about what they're looking at with their satellites. what we do know they're releasing these targeted images, low resolution pictures. they are trying to point them to the area so that they can best
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be able to help find this debris. >> kyung lah, thank you very much indeed. for not only being with us for much of the rest of the evening. sara sidner in kuala lumpur, sara, tell me what's going on there now. former and current malaysian airline ceos both coming out saying they knew the pilot, zaharie shah and spoke out about him. what did they say? >> reporter: it's interesting. because you have all these sources, one on two behind the scenes, talking about the pilots in very negative terms, in sinister terms. and then you have those who are putting their face on camera, coming out in person and saying, look, we knew this man. he was an excellent person and an excellent pilot. let me let you hear what the ex-malaysian ceo said about pilot shah. >> he's an excellent pilot. and i think and also an excellent gentleman. i think they're going the wrong
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way, pointing finger at him. >> reporter: so there you go. he says i think they're going the wrong waypointing a finger at him. the bottom line is, piers, the investigation has to continue. they have got to find some proof as to exactly how this happened. they need to find evidence. and then they need to show that evidence. until then it is hard to believe anything. when it's in front of the cameras, in front of the lights, down on paper and it's official and there's a name with it, then we can go with it. but i think a lot of this is conjecture, theories, people looking at any possibility. of course they have to look at the pilots. it is not fair to demonize them until there is proof and we can all see it, piers? >> we also heard from captain zaharie shah's son, ahmed seth zaharie, he defendaed his fathe "i read everything online. i've ignored all the speculation. i know my father better."
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at the moment there is nothing suspicious linking itself to either the pilot or copilot. it is pure conjecture that somebody may have take then plane off. and if they did, it is a possibility it was one of the two pilots. but of course, it could have been if it was taken off at the behest of a passenger who broke into the cockpit. we just don't know, do we? >> reporter: no. that's the absolute truth. and one of the things they're looking at is that conversation between the pilots and the air traffic control. and they're saying they found nothing there. they're looking at the flight simulator as well to see if that gives any clues. and i do want to mention that as for the family, you heard the son talking to one of the newspapers here, defending his father, saying he was a good man. we've also heard from the family at the very beginning. they said the speculation about the father is literally killing us. it is emotionally devastating. number one, they are missing this man, a father and a husband, missing him. not knowing where he is. just like all the other
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families. and on top of that, now there's this talk that he may have something to do with it, may be responsible for this. so it is doubly devastating for these families of both the pilot and the copilot. because the copilot has also been looked at. and there have been some harsh words about him as well. i think what we all need to do is step back a bit and make sure that investigators do their job and that then we find out exactly what happened to flight mh 370. piers? >> agree. sara sidner, thank you very much indeed. i want to bring in cnn's richard quest and jeffrey thomas author of airline ratings.com. richard, we've spoken every day basically for the last week about this. you've been talk about it now for three weeks or so. are we getting any nearer really to solve thing this mystery? i was walking around new york city today several people coming up to me assuming i know more than they're being told. i don't, you don't. >> the malaysians do. i think there are clearly some facts out there that they are
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not revealing. and there's an investigation, both a criminal investigation and aeronautical investigation. and we'll find out in the fullness of time. do i think we are any closer to knowing why? no. we have a variety of circumstantial evidence. i have never seen so much one and one plus one and we'll get to it half a dozen or more if we can. this pilot business is just breathtaking. it's mind boggling the way in which journalists are just throwing every rule that we've ever been taught from day one. whoops, out the window. now, where we are getting closers finding wreckage. in the last 48 hours, 72 hours, we've had the japanese with their ten pieces, we've got the thais with their 300 pieces, the french with their 122 pieces. and it's not close to each other but it's not far from each other. >> could it all just be wreckage out there anyway in the ocean? the ocean is full of this kind of stuff. >> but not at this level. i don't know. not at this level. sounds unlikely. and the experts tell me it's got
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the right smell about it. it's in the right area. and all we now need is to wait for the time and the tide and the availability to go and get something. which i think they're going to do in the next few days. but on the pilot question, piers, it is bordering on a witch hunt. >> i think you've got to be very careful. these guys may have been heroes. we don't know. they may have been trying to save this plane from some catastrophic fire or breakdown whatever it may be. let me turn to jeffrey thomas in perth, australia. obviously this is now the center of where this search is going on. jeffrey, what do you make of it all? here we are nearly three weeks into this enduring mystery, a mystery that may never be resolved. we just don't know yet. but what is your take on it all as we now talk tonight? >> look indeed, piers, this is the most complex, the most baffling, perplexing any adjective you like air disaster
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that i've ever covered. it's extraordinary. and to lose an airplane for three weeks is in this day and age you just have to scratch your head and think how come? how can this possibly be? but i agree with richard. the debris pictures we're getting now, they absolutely have to be wreckage from this airplane. they're too big. there's too many of them. and certainly we get debris in the ocean, unfortunately, but not of this scale. not of this size. and i do think the authorities know a little bit more about this than they're telling us. and of course, the resolution of those images is very degraded. i think they know exactly this is the airplane, and hopefully in a few days we're going to get someone picking a piece up out of the water and say, this is it. >> you have to assume that the u.s. seventh fleet would not be sending a second p 8 poseidon
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patrol aircraft to that area if people collectively involved in this investigation and the search were not pretty certain this is where the wreckage is going to turn up. the problem, i guess, jeffrey, you will know this better than most because you live in that area, is that part of the ocean is extremely wild, can be very rough. the weather can be extremely bad as we've seen in the last week alone. we're heading to winter. so even though they may be in the right area, it still may be a possibility they never actually get this wreckage because every day it may be blown off in different directions. >> look, indeed. the challenges, piers, of this cannot be understated. this is like a north atlantic gale 24/7. it's as bad as you can get. and the person who found the hms hood in the north sea, david
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merns, said this is as bad as it can get. the people who found 447, the air france 447, they say this search is far far more difficult. the positive side is we've learned a lot from the recovery of 447. and we're now deploying in fact the equipment that found 447. that hopefully will be on board a ship tomorrow and en route to where we think the initial crash was. of course what we're looking for now is debris in the water to confirm it was. what we really need to find is the actual crash site. and that's going to be just so much more difficult. >> gentlemen, stay with me. we've just referred to the u.s. navy seventh fleet sending a second p 8 poseidon aircraft to join the search. joining me is the commander of the uss blue ridge. he joins me on the telephone.
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can you hear me, sir? >> yes, piers, thanks for having me. just to clear up, i'm on board the command ship but we're currently in the western pacific. we're nowhere near the search area. >> i'm sorry. wa i was misinformed on that. but what is your knowledge of what will be going on today in terms of this search? >> well, what we've done, in a couple of hours we have a p 8 that's going to be taking off out of perth. and to conduct its search mission. it will take about three hours to get on station where it will approximately have about three hours of search time before having to return back to perth. as well we're sending a second p 8 coming from okinawa, being repositioned to perth, australia. it left this morning and it should be arriving sometime later today. >> is it a safe assumption that this would not be happening you, wouldn't be sending in the second p 8 poseidon if there wasn't really a general
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collective view this is definitely where this plane has gone down? >> yeah, i would say that's safe to assume. with the australian government leading th leading the search efforts right here, requested to have another p 8 to join the search effort just kind of confirms that their suspicions may be right that they may be locating this debris field. but just to be clear, we're continuing to search this debris field so we can basically reverse forecast the wind and the current sea state since the beginning to recreate the position. because currently we have down there as you guys talked about earlier in the program the towed pinger locater as well as the blue fin underwater autonomous vehicle they can use to help the search. but it's going to be critical to find the exact debris field so we can reverse engineer this to find where it went in time is really not on our side. we have to get close to the area so we can actually hear the
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pinger from the black box going so we can get a better find on it. >> david levy, appreciate you joining me. when we come back the satellite that might be our best hope of finding flight 370. we're told they can read a license plate from hundreds of miles in space. the truth about what they can and can't see next. the day we rescued riley, was a truly amazing day. without angie's list, i don't know if we could have found all the services we needed for our riley. for over 18 years we've helped people take care of the things that matter most. join today at angieslist.com man: yeah, scott. i was just about to use the uh... scott: that's a bunch of ground-up paper, lad! scotts ez seed uses the finest seed, fertilizer, and natural mulch that holds water so you can grow grass anywhere! seed your lawn. seed it! ♪ ♪
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are they the same? are they different? what's the truth about what the satellites are picking up. a satellite analyst and my panel with me in the studio. let me ask you this. somebody's tweeted me down. daisy 1158. the solution to finding the plane is surely for the satellite images to be released immediately and not three to four days later. what is the truth about this? are these images when they're being picked up, are they given to the malaysian authorities immediately and then perhaps released to the public days later, or does it take several days for these images to actually be analyzed an i guess released properly? >> that's my understanding is it takes several days for them to be properly analyzed, and then they are immediately released to the malaysians and then down to australia.
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and then i think later on in the day maybe 12 hours later the malaysians are then releasing it to the general public. >> right. and i suppose the obvious question then is, if these images have been released even to the malaysian authorities, say 48 hours after they're actually taken, how far can this wreckage, then if it is the wreckage, have drifted in that particular part of the ocean? >> we're told by the oceanographers down here that it's possible some of it debris to move as much as 50 miles, 60 miles in a day. so we're looking at 120, 130 miles. it's a fair distance it could move. i won't necessarily move one direction, either, because there's three major currents down there. it can move north, east or southeast. so it just makes the situation so much more difficult. >> jeffrey thomas, thank you
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very much indeed for joining us tonight. i want to go to lee romaine now. a satellite imagery analyst. the perfect person to talk to about where we are with these satellites. let's have simple q and a here. how many satellites are there in the world, up in the stars there looking down? how many are currently engaged in this search, and how powerful are tele? >> well, there are a total of about 1600 satellites up in space currently. but those are not all imaging satellites. the satellites, where they're being utilized currently, are the optical satellites. day glow has five of those. astrium the friends in space has four of those. all those are being utilized. then there are the terrastar x-ray cterrastar
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terrastar x radar satellites are being used. japan has satellites, china, thailand. it looks like the thai satellite image, what was shown today or acquired yesterday is of a lower resolution. not the same like the participate 5 meter digital glow imagery. it's all dependent on what is being tasked currently. but it feels like now that most of the satellite resources are being utilized. i had a conversation with digital globe earlier today. they are doing their best trying to track the debris down and provide as much information to the searching teams and the governments involved. >> okay. let me turn to bob bair. bob, you've been involved in many military and intelligence operations in your time. this was an american plane that had gone down, would there be more use of say military satellites? how would the process work if this was a u.s.-led operation?
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>> well, i don't think it's working any different. australia and the united states share everything. u.s. military satellites are looking at this area. we can be certain of that. the moment the images are available, they're sending them to australia. they're high resolution. the kind of images you wouldn't want to send to malaysia or anywhere else. so they are seeing a lot better pictures than we are. it's not blurry like we're seeing. it doesn't mean you can recognize debris. i mean, military satellites are not meant to -- it's not a search. you don't know what the pieces look like. it looks for tanks and airplanes and things like that. so this is what's taking so much time. this is not what analysts normally do. >> let me go back to leo romeijn, how powerful are the best satellites at working out exactly what they're looking at?
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in other words, if you have this volume now of different nation satellites all picking up 100 pieces, 300 pieces and so on, would the highest resolution that some of them have, how sure can they be they might be looking at plane wreckage? >> it's not the resolution as such. the pan chrome attic bands have a five meter pixel resolution, while the others have a 2 meter pixel resolution. the multispectral bands are being used to analyze any kind of debris. the panchrome attic seen makes it difficult to say this is a piece of the aircraft. the thing is that the spectral analysis being performed on the material, what's debris, aluminum, wood or anything, can only be defined with
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multispectral bands, not panchromeattic. it seems to me absolutely crucial that these satellite images are as accurate and as up-to-date as possible given the wildness of the ocean where this search is going on and given the fact as jeffrey said earlier that these could be moving potentially hundreds of miles over a 48-hour period. >> well, we talk a lot about why it takes so long to get these satellite images. i spoke with someone who used to be with digital globe and now has his own company just this morning. he explained to me these satellites are moving around the earth at 1700 miles per hour. it takes like 90 minutes for the satellite to go around. it's snapping pictures. it only takes the pictures in the daylight hours and they're focusing on these areas. the coverage of this area digital globe is very well-covered. but then at night it takes the resource of the satellite and puts it down and does the download. it can take 24 hours at least just to get the download. >> leo and bob, thank you very much. i want to let you go.
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joining me now is phil phillip balm, a former faa safety inspecter and author of "why planes crash." cnn aviation analyst and mary schiavo. and david funk, a pilot and former international captain for northwest airlines. so an expert panel covering all bases here. phillip balm, let me start with you. we'll come to this development in the search area a little later. but in terms of lessons learned, if we think back to the air france 447 crash, have we really acted on the lessons that we learned from that? how can a plane -- this is what many people say to me. how can a plane just disappear in the modern age, particularly following incidents like the air france 447 crash? >> well, it is indeed absolute i baffling. and until we find the aircraft and find out what went wrong we won't really know.
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if we go back two weeks in the investigation, w had the malaysians coming out and saying there was a deliberate act that took place aboard the flight tech of that aircraft. and we need to better understand that act in order to try to prevent it happening again. but the important thing from an aviation security perspective, because if we are talking about the deliberate act, now it could be that it wasn't a criminal act. but if it was a criminal act, we need to think about how we're actually addressing airport security worldwide. and i'm afraid it's always reactive. we always try to sort of put on the band-aid after the event. when actually we can be much more proactive. if you go back to locker we'biln am, we started taking shoes off. underpants bomber we started using body scans. we need to start profiling passengers, profiling crew,
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profiling cargo. and only by better understanding and using intelligence can we prevent these incidents from happening in the future. >> miles o'brien, you're an aviation expert or many years standing. the debris field has moved over 1,000 kilometers right now. one tweeted me. have they compared satellite pictures from before the crash to see if any of this debris was already there? >> well, i don't know how much value there would be to that. because the debris is moving so quickly. a picture taken the day before probably might not show it given the way the currents go there. so just to look at an image from a month ago and you see open ocean, i'm not sure how much value there is in all of that. as for the size of all of this, it could be spread out over some distance especially when you contract currents there. this is why i feel that the number of ships and planes that
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are part of this search right now is not adequate. there's ten or 11 planes depending on how you count, five ships in the area. when amelia earhart went missing in 1937, there was an aircraft carrier and battle ship and everything that was deployed. much of the seventh fleet was detailed to that and there were two people. this is not a u.s. flag carrier but it is built in the u.s. there are americans on board. and the u.s. navy is uniquely equipped to provide assets on station. what i'm talking about is an aircraft carrier in the region that would provide aircraft, that would have the range to be on-site for a much longer period of time. we're running out of time there. the conditions are terrible as they are and they're only going to get worse. >> i mean, it seems to me quite remarkable -- maybe i shouldn't be surprised, but quite remarkable we're just hearing now they're moving the search 1100 kilometers. let me bring you back in, david soucie. that's a huge distance that they're now moving the focus of the search. >> it really is. i think it has to do a little bit with the fact that before
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the the assumptions were made that this aircraft was flying at 450 to 400 knots. since then we looked at the burn rate of the aircraft. it was determined that at 12,000 feet it couldn't have made it that far, couldn't have gone that far. but in fact just the opposite is true. the range of that aircraft if you're 12,000 feet and slow down to 250-275 knots it has great range. it burns fuel far less than we originally thought. it may be a reaction to that. i think it might be. >> mary schiavo, what do you think about this development tonight? it is a pretty strange twist that they seem to have been so far out. what do you think of this? >> well, if they're refining the search area and it's going to improve it, i think it's great that they're refining it. but what makes me think most of all is that it's unfortunate that we have to rely on these shifting pieces of debris. we have to rely on the winds and backtracking to find where the plane went in where we have the
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te the technology and it's avaluable and and readily available. we've didn't discussing it since september 11th, 2001 as of to why we don't do the data streaming. >> i've just got some more details about the breaking news on this which i want to tell you guys about so we can get your reaction. today's search will shift to an area 1,100 kilometers to the northeast, based on up dated advice provided by the international investigation team in malaysia. new information has led them to move this search. >> the australian transport safety bureau, australia's investigation agency, has examined this advice and determined this is the most credible lead to where debris may now be located. the new search area is approximately 319,000 square kilometers and around 1,850 kilometers west of perth. new information is based on continuing analysis of radar data between the south china sea and the strait of malacca before
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radio contact was lost. now some crucial information. the aircraft was traveling faster than previously estimated, resulting in increased fuel usage and reducing the possible distance that the aircraft traveled south into the indian ocean. the australian geospatial intelligence organization is rita's,ing satellir retasking to that area. what can we read into the aircraft speed now being assessed at radically different to what we thought? >> i don't have an answer for that. because you're already at 450. that means the altitude may have had to change as well. to increase past that mark, you're going up against mach. limits to that aircraft. to be faster than that it surprises me. >> let me bring in david funk because he's a pilot. david funk when you heard that new information, the aircraft traveling faster than previously estimated resulting in increased fuel usage and reducing the distance it may have traveled,
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what do you read into that from a pilot point of view? >> well, my initial guess is that their altitude probably was maybe 10,000 feet lower. you can fly at a much higher mach number in the mid 20,000 foot range than you can in the mid 30,000 foot range. however, your fuel consume, goes up significantly. we do know how long the airplane flew approximately based on the pings. so that's going to give us an area. frankly, piers, i'm pretty excited to hear they're further narrowing the search area down. let's face it. until we get a ship with a helicopter or a small boat to pick something out of the water, to get us our first point to start calculating backwards, we're not going to find the wreckage on the bottom of the ocean. and the key here to solve this is to get to the wreckage on the bottom. far bigger deal than just another airplane flying ahead at 3,000 feet. >> it seems to me a pretty dramatic development now in this search. we'll come back after the break, go through it again. and get the expert panel to give
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soucie, mary schiavo and david funk. the plane was going a lot faster than previously estimated resulting in increased fuel usage, reducing the distance aircraft traveled south into the indian ocean by 680 miles. they seem to now be honing in from new information they've clearly received which they are taking very seriously to a much more specific area. >> well, if you remember where those pings were, they were mapping those pings based on an assumption. we were talking before about coming to a conclusion and making the facts fit. if they had not assumed that speed they would have had this information before. but that's good they've adjusted it and now we're there. >> miles o'brien, let's just clarify again will. if the aircraft was traveling faster than previously estimated resulting in increased fuel usage, tell me what that means in terms of how high the plane
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was likely to have been flying. >> there's kind of an equation here. what's missing from this report is whatever radar data they might have had about altitude -- that's obviously the key point here. if it's going faster and lower you'll have fight a fuel burn. if it's going lower and the throttles are pulled back and it's going slower it has a lot of range. so maybe this was a situation where it was in fact at that lower altitude we've been talk about and going much faster than thought and as a result would run out of fuel more quickly. the higher a plane like this goes the more fuel-efficient it is. that's why you get more range. >> on that point, miles, if it was flying lower as people suggested before, what theory does that now lend itself more to of all the theories that have been out there? >> low er and faster, again thi is in the realm of some sort of deliberate act, human intervention would cause that to occur. fact it might have been down at
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12,000 feet, at least initially, could have been in sync with some sort of what they call an i dive because of a decompression or fire or something. but staying at 12,000 feet while flying around indonesia and then heading down to the south, a human being had to be involved in that. >> okay. david soucie, you're shaking your head. why? >> miles, with all due respect, i think that after that airplane went down, this adds more credibility to me that the crew and the passengers were incapacitated at that time and that the auto pilot was on and continued to cruise at that speed at that lower altitude without changing the altitude. >> what about the way-points, david? how do you think those way-points got in there? maybe some alternatew way-point picked up by the auto pilot? >> i think that would explain that. but i can't see he would have time to change all those way-points, either. it does plug a hole in it. but the fact that those -- that it went down to 12,000 feet and continued on that auto pilot track makes a lot of sense to me.
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and it feels to me more like it's incapacitated crew and auto pilot has taken over. >> will they reveal in all this -- will they know the altitude? are they just not telling us? if they have all this other information? >> primary radar doesn't give you a whole lot of reliable information about altitude. tells you altitude. >> how about this new information that's come from the international investigation team in malaysia which the ntsb has examined and determined is the most credible lead so far to the debris, taking this very seriously. what could have led them to have the fact as information is factual that the aircraft was traveling much faster than they thought? >> the assumption again was that it went back up to 35,000 and that it went that far. so if you take that assumption and use it, you're going to discount other information which in this case it sounds like they did. they discounted that malaysia radar information. now they say we're not having much success over here. let's relook at what we're
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trying to success. >> mary schiavo, in terms of the investigation, i would say that of all the stuff we've heard about this week, this could be the absolutely most crucial piece now, the new information. it may be they're much much nearer to where they needed to be. >> i agree completely. the altitude information was always suspect. we heard 45,000 feet, we heard 5,000 feet. the altitude information as been varying quite a bit throughout these whole last 2 1/2 weeks. and with this development perhaps you're able to hone in on the more accurate altitude. and if there was a horrible event on board, a decompression, a fire, an explosion, whatever, the plane itself if there's an emergency mode or the pilot could do the input would make the turn descend to 12,500 feet. if that's the altitude then we have a whole new set of facts here to consider. and it certainly doesn't necessarily lead one to assume
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that it was pilot suicide. >> let me go back to david funk here, our very experienced pilot. taking all this new information, what do you think as a pilot is now the more likely theory to be correct? >> like david and mary, i lean towards the mechanical, electromechanical problem that caused whatever it was, captain turned left towards land. there's a bazillion way-points out there around the world. so your likelihood of flying by any one of them on any given flight is very good whether you have it programmed or not. he turned left towards land, towards the nearest airport. he probably used the mode called flight left change or flch if you remember the asiana crash in san francisco that was the mode they had set the auto pilot in. dialled up 12,000 feet. hit it. now, somewhere around 27,28,000 feet as he's descending at point mach 83 or 86 whatever the cruise speed was programmed that, that plane is going to revert to an air speed mode and drop in somewhere around 275
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knots. and when it gets to 12,000 feet it's going to level off on that heading and the throttles are going to come up and that airplane is going to hold 275 knots or whatever that heading is set until it runs out of gas if no one intervenes. that may explain at the high powered setting this they were going faster than 250. if he used flch to do an emergency descent, that filter flight level change, that gets you down the very fastest. the auto throttles pull them back to idle. at 12,000 fight the auto idles will come back up and fly at 12,000 feet. >> this is fascinating i think and very significant. let's keep everybody as they are. come back after the break, get more into the breaking news about the speed of the plane and the new search area.
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international investigation team in malaysia. the aircraft traveling faster than previously estimated, resulting in increased fuel usage. >> what's good about this information is now they can plot those pings a little differenty. they were assuming that it was 450 miles an hour. those ping locations change, as well. because you've got to remap them and rescale them. >> this has dramatically changed. >> absolutely. >> they are nowhere near the area they were previously looking at. >> that's right. >> now they've remapped the pings. do you think if this information is as clearly available as it is, they're closer to finding the wreckage? >> without a doubt. this is a much more logical explanation of what's going on. there's fewer holes in at least my mind. >> miles, do you occur with that? do you feel this is the big
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breakthrough they've been looking for? >> it could be. i'm a little incredulous it's just now happening. why on earth this radar information is just now available to these authorities and just now realizing the speed of the aircraft? it doesn't add up to me. it's like so many things in this investigation. i'm mystified. >> let me remind you again of what they said in this new updated report. >> radar data is pretty straightforward. there's a blip and it's going a certain amount of speed. new analysis? i'm not quite sure. >> david? >> it is straightforward when you've got your transponder on. but when you don't, there's little tiny dots that change in size and speed. it takes analysis. >> 20 days of analysis?
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>> i know. i agree with you there. to me, like i said, it's a classic case of we have this great clue over here so we're going to ignore everything else until it's time to go to the other. >> this seems the way this investigation is going. >> it does seem completely, after three weeks they're now moving the whole thing 700 miles. we'll be back with more on this breaking news and getting some reaction from the families after the break. [ sniffles, coughs ] shhhh!
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more on our braking news. a major shift in the search for flight 370. what does this mean for the families? i want to bring in floyd wisener. you're an aviation attorney. have you talked directly to the family members from flight 370? >> some of my representatives have talked to representatives of the families. i haven't talked to any family member directly. it's a little too early to do that. i do know what they're going through from representing families over the last two decades. >> the search moving nearly 700 miles further northeast for new analysis of the data. we would hope that they would lead to discovery of the wreckage. that would bring at least some
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solace to the families who have no answers. >> yes. the families want four things. they want to find answers, find out what happened to their loved ones. secondly, they want to hold responsible parties accountable. third, they want to bring about change. and lastly do they want compensation. without the wreckage, they cannot accomplish the first three. they can accomplish the fourth, but they can only accomplish the first three with the wreckage. >> david, people are making the point on twitter here, does this mean all these pieces of apparent debris floating in the other area were erroneous? >> not necessarily. i think they're still going to be looking for that, this is just another clue. and they have resources, maybe not enough. >> to put it in perspective, miles, the new search area is still 200,000 square miles. huge area. >> again, underscores my point. there is not enough assets on
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