welcome back. at the top of the hour, early afternoon for malaysian airlines flight 370. a brand all the talk about 122 pieces of debris, all the images you have seen, those have now been abandoned. the entire search area that the authorities were searching for the past week, no one is searching there anymore, three or four hours ago they were talking about searching there. now, the entire search area has moved some 260 miles to the north. the good news, it is an easier place to get to, the other good news, the weather conditions are

set to be better, not quite as choppy or dangerous as to the other further south search area. but the bad news is, essentially this has been a waste of time. this past week of all the man hours, all the flight hours and efforts to find all of those satellite images to get the eyes on all of those satellite images, now they're essentially saying they're not calling the images debris anymore. that is where they're at. they're essentially in so many words back to square one, and cnn aviation correspondent, former transportation department inspector. and aviation analyst, miles o'brien, since we're starting at the top of the hour people may just be joining us. miles bring us up to date. we've just had this press conference from the capital.

although they don't come out and say this has been a waste of time. they do acknowledge they have abandoned the search area that all the world's attention has been focused on. >> a waste is a waste, there is no question, you know, obviously the good news in all of this is that they're responding to new data that they have received. but what really struck me, of course, the speed issue is important. we talked about the speed issue days ago. and i had said frequently that it would probably fall short of what you might expect of an airliner flying at its normal altitude. but the other thing that is interesting they said, and it is almost a direct quote, we're now working on the most likely flight path. now, we have been spending a lot of time, all of us all over the world, putting a lot of credence in the inmarsat track, which includes a little bend, and the bend includes three turns. the first turn is a turn that

would be explainable for a m myriad of reasons, the decompression, you're turning back to land and you're trying to get to a lower altitude. but then there were two other turns that didn't make any sense to anybody in aviation, if you're having an emergency, you're not going to take a jog around. what is that was not true, since we're re-setting anyway? i bet if you drew the first line from when that first turn occurred all the way to the first search zone you may be right in the bull's eye zone. it really takes a lot of focus away from the idea that there was a deliberate act. not saying it is not -- >> and mary -- as miles is raising questions about the data you listen to australian authorities talk about what kind of calculations this investment

team in malaysia, where this information, this new data is coming from. and they say it is data from polling the satellites. but it is also data of the likely performance of the aircraft which is essentially from the manufacturer. so essentially, i don't want to say they're just making stuff up. but they're guessing, which is what they have to do. i'm not being critical of them. this is an inexact science. they're just trying to guess because they don't have the information. they're saying okay if it would have gone this fast, then it would have gone this far. >> and they said -- they gave us another clue. they took it from the last known positions. from the turn, back into northeastern indonesia. and they took it from where miles said, days and days ago, i bet if we just took the last positioning from the turn, which might be very explainable, that

might be where they ended up. this is back where they were a couple of weeks ago. but it is also taking known data points. i actually think it is taking some of the mystery and speculation if you will out of it and going back as to what th do know. i hope applying it with data from boeing. >> and if those dog leg turns out over the straits of malacca are not through, and we don't know, but if the plane just did do one u-turn and go back across the peninsula it takes it right over indonesia, and raises the question what on earth was the indonesia authorities doing. >> why are you saying it may not have made the three turns that we think it made? >> because they're re-visiting all the data now. >> and the new search area is not indicative of the three turns. >> we have to go back and

basically say what of the original data is accurate and true? of these pings, of these turns, what is valid? >> i think it is a stretch to discount all the data because there is change in this. you have to evaluate all the data. you don't just throw out the baby with the bath water. you have to do it logically and stick with these, and then calculate it. to say to discount everything we've done entirely and give up and say well, i guess we don't know anything, let's start over. i don't think that is what they're doing here. >> david gallow, what else jumps out to you from that press conference? >> i heard a lot of inconsistencies as you did. and again, these are the spokespeople so they don't know all the intricacies, and all the detail. so i have to give them some space there. but again, i have to hope that whatever is going on behind those closed doors that they

know more than what we're hearing about, because it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. >> you know, there has been a lot of talk, speculation in the media over the last week or so. but then when you hear the actual people involved with this, talk about how they came to the analysis that they're releasing it does seem like speculation. i mean, they're essentially guessing at the speed. they're guessing at what they think the aircraft should do. they don't know if it was on auto pilot or human control. the speed could vary, that would radically change search areas. so within the pool of investigators again, i don't want to say guessing but they are essentially coming up with various hypotheses. >> well, let's look, this is really the malaysian

authorities' responsibility to be releasing this kind of information. but they did say specifically we're now working on the most like likely flight path. it would have been nice to hear from the malaysians a lot. we don't have our own sense of the radar information. we don't have radar information syncek up with the air traffic patrol operations. we have precious little information to go on. we have been hanging our hats very heavily on a satellite, geo-stationary satellite that handles very basic text transmissions to provide a track for this aircraft. and in so doing have been spending a lot of time, there has been a lot of talk and suspicion placed on some sort of foul play. and now maybe that is not what

is happening. >> and you know -- i have been contemplating this for two days now, what has been bothering me about this fuel. richard and i had a brief conversation this afternoon. and i think the information is being conveyed slightly in error from the standpoint i don't -- the bottom line was i saw this fuel calculation that i looked on performance charts confirmed by a very credible boeing source that has the same performance charts and saw that the airplane would burn slightly more fuel if we contend that the airplane descended to 20,000 feet. that being said, because of the thicker air it is going to go slower and therefore not get as far when it runs out of fuel. that is my contention, i think they're going to the right place for the wrong reasons, if indeed the airplane went down to 12,000 feet.

and these turns could have been over just coincidental with way points that -- >> so let's talk about what we don't know. we don't know if it was under human control or on auto pilot. we don't really know the altitude that the plane was flying at, right? >> that was my point. but if -- i mean, let's get rid of the 12,000 feet scenario just for the purposes of this. if it stays at an altitude of 35 -- over 35,000 feet then you're talking about that higher fuel burn, aren't you, captain. and you're talking about increasing -- where it came down. >> if it is a higher speed, i'm still not convinced that it was. but yes, if it is a higher speed at that altitude it would consume a little bit more fuel. a little bit more fuel. >> a lot to consider here, everyone stick around, we have a lot more to cover. we'll hear directly from the australian officials who shook

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welcome back, if you're just joining us, breaking news, australian authorities announce a major shift in the search for malaysian airlines flight 370. the new search area is nearly 300 miles from the previous one, the ones they were looking at in the previous week, we were looking at all the satellite data that showed debris. they have basically discounted

all of that. they're moving all their assets further north. this is how the news broke just a short time ago. >> we would like to update you on incredible information that we received, which will see the search area refocused today. the search for any signs of missing malaysian airlines flight 370 has been shifted to the north following the advice of the australian transport safety bureau. a team in malaysia provided updated advice to the organization which has examined the area and determined the kilometers 300 miles so the northeast is now to most credible lead to where the debris may be located. the new search area is approximately 319,000 square kilometers in area, and about 1850 kilometers west of perth.

the australian geospacial intelligence organization, ago, is working to recapture satellite images. weather conditions are better, and ten aircraft have been tasked for today's search. they are two royal australian air force p-3 orions. a japanese coast guard jet. a japanese p-3 orion. a republic of korea p-3 orion, and c-130 hercules aircraft. a royal new zealand air force p-3 orion, a chinese people's liberation air force. a united states navy poseidon aircraft and one australian civil jet acting as a communications relay. four of the ten aircraft are overhead in the search area as

we speak, with the further six planes to fly over the area today. a further royal air force p-3 orion has been placed on standby at the royal air force base in pierce to relay any new sightings, six air ships are sent to the area, including hms ships and five chinese ships and success is expected to arrive late tomorrow night. additionally, the maritime safety ship is in the search area. and i might add that we know her quite well, she visited sidney last year in order to support regional maritime safety conference and we had the opportunity to do a search and rescue exercise with that ship.

the united states towed pinger locater, and a blue 21 vehicle have arrived in perth to assist with the location and recovery of the black box. these will be fitted to the australian defense vessel ocean shield which will arrive in western australia in the coming days. and the depth of the water in the search area is between 2,000 meters and 4,000 meters random. thank you, mr. young? >> the atsb, as australia's transport safety investigation agency is working with a range of other international expert organizations to analyze available data relating to the flight of mh-370 and to determine the best area to search for the aircraft. the initial information based on

the aircraft and the later polling of the satellite through its aircraft systems. the new information is based on continuing analysis of radar data about the aircraft's movement between the south china sea and the strait of malacca before radar contact was lost. this continuing analysis indicates the plane was traveling faster than was previously estimated, resulting increased fuel usage and reducing the possible distance it traveled south into the indian ocean. the international investigative team supporting the search continues their analysis of the data. this could result in further refinement of the potential flight path of hm-370. radar and polling data has been combined with information of the likely speed of the aircraft, speed and consumption in particular to arrive at the best estimate where the aircraft

would have like lly entered the water. the information provided by the investigative team is the most credible lead we have in the search for aircraft wreckage. however, this information needs to be continually adjusted for the length of time elapsed since the aircraft went missing and the likely drift of any wreckage floating on the ocean surface. finally, let me stress that under international convention, malaysia has investigative responsibility for malaysia airlines flight mh-370. at this stage, the atsb's main task is to assist in the search for the aircraft. >> australian officials announcing this really dramatic shift, some 700 miles north of the previous area last week. all assets, where all coverage has been focused on, we're back with our panel. david gallow co-led the air

france flight 447 investigation. do you know much about the under sea area in this new search area? i mean, he was saying it is about as deep as the old search area, which was certainly extraordinarily deep. do we know much about the topography there? >> well, there is a tremendous under water volcanic mountain range, called the southeast indian ridge. at the crest of it, it is about 2500 meters, off to the north it gets gradually deeper, about 4500 meters. that is kind of what i heard them say, beyond, so it will be similar to the old place. >> and david gallow, is it your understanding this is an area to look for the debris and do they believe it is in the same area or at least the area large enough that the crash site may also be in this area?

>> that is kind of what i heard. and kind of what i -- then i didn't hear that. i have to say one thing, i have to wince a little bit, when they call it debris. that is the proper name for it. but undoubtedly there will be human remains mixed in a bit with it. so i am confused about what they actually mean by that. and i wonder what about the inmarsat points we talked about yesterday. do they just -- is it just now totally irrelevant? and the debris sighted. really are we not going to have a look at it to see what that stuff might be? >> well, also richard the fact that they were -- there were a lot of satellite images of some objects in the water over the last week and we're seeing some of them on the screen. those took days to analyze to release, some of them were four days old or more. they're just now re-tasking all

the satellites now for this new area. so is it going to be several days before they even start to get satellite imagery that they can work off for this search? >> i think it will be slightly quicker, there will be a greater urgency about it. remember, all the information came about when people had to look at things and they had to think about it and they were not sure about it. so now there is a greater urgency to move the satellites and to start looking at existing data. there will be pictures already of that area from the last few days, the various satellite agencies will now be going back to revisit because they never looked there before. one point and we've just been talking among ourselves, if i may. and the document -- this is from the website, from the search area, which actually -- >> we're putting it on the screen here. >> we have the speeds now, now, under the old document the speed that they were working on was either 400 or 450 knots.

that was the speed. now they say -- >> the speed they believed the aircraft was going at. >> potentially. now we have 400 knots. a route for 400 knots, we have a route for 469. and we have a route for 475 knots. in other words, they're giving us the data, aren't they, about what speed they believe -- >> and is that based on a tail wind? a head wind? that would be interesting to know. >> but what does that tell you as a captain about how high the plane would be flying if they're talking about a speed of -- >> and those speeds are only possible at the higher altitudes, right. so they're not counting in the 12,000 feet that we heard a while back. >> right. >> but i think what is important that david gallow touched on also, we need to distinguish between the impact debris field and debris that we're getting on the satellite.

so i think it is possible that the debris we're still looking at may still be out there and it may still be potential airplane pieces. >> what you're saying, you believe -- which we're showing the screen, the images that we've seen over the last week, you believe those still may be potential airplanes? >> it is possible. >> but then why wouldn't they continue to search in the area because the impetus is to find debris. >> but the potential is to find the black boxes that are hopefully pinging? >> david gallow, is the impetus to find the debris first and to try and figure out backwards? >> after air france 447, we put a lot of emphasis on the last known position and to look around there. so we're look at the middle of the hay stack, and if there is a good last known position to start with that and to let any

kind of debris guide you back to that area, maybe refine the size of the haystack you're looking in. so i thought yesterday we had something that was akin to a last known position, maybe start there. but now i'm totally confused about where to begin and what they're doing, i don't know. >> but david, they clearly don't believe all the images on the satellites which we have been talking about for a week. they're not even calling it debris anymore. in the press conference they said we shouldn't even call it debris. they don't know what it is. they don't have any assets looking for that anymore which would seem to indicate they're not putting any stock on in importance of any that have. >> right, they totally said we're looking in the wrong place. it is that obvious. but this new information is interesting, because we talked about the inmarsat ping, if you look at how this was set with the new speed and you re-plot those inmarsat points it pulls

that over to the right because of the way it was calculated. it changed the scale, les said earlier it changed the scale where it went so it realigns that path. so that makes sense now. >> you're looking at this map which will be a little more confusing. the stripes, to the right of it that is the old search area. the area in red, the square, which is 1,044 miles off perth. that is the new search area. that gives you the sense of just the -- what 680 miles or so looks like in relation to australia, we have to take another quick break. we'll continue with our panel and continue on with our correspondents in the region right after this.

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welcome back, after really dramatic developments, the search for malaysia airline flight -- flight 370 is shifting, i want to bring in our correspondent west of australia, paula, we really can't understate our major this shift is, nearly 700 miles. have you already started to see planes go off to this new area? >> yeah, i was just on the tarmac three hours ago, they were ready to get their briefings about the new search area, as much as we're puzzled

about what is going on. on the ground here, the issues have reinvigorated them. they really do feel at this point they're on a mission for the families, anderson, as much as we go over all the facts, the families want proof, pictures we can see in our hands that this plane did crash into this area of the world. and i think they feel like they need to spot it. they need to see is t in the water, and bring a new pieces up. i wanted to add, anderson, i know everything we've done they say is a waste of time. they say this is not a waste of time, this is the way search and rescue is conducted. on the other hand, we're not dealing with the issues, most of the information we're not privy to. whatever the malaysian authorities have, we'll never see. it is just far too sensitive and classified. and the families are hoping that

this new search and rescue refined mission will give them what they want, some type of proof that what the malaysian authorities say happened to the plane actually happened. >> it is important to talk about, paula talked about the importance of the debris for the families. and certainly that is a major point. but for an investigative standpoint to learn what happened to the aircraft they have to find the debris, not just figure out where the aircraft itself is. but it will actually help them start to figure out perhaps what happened to the aircraft itself. >> and you will be surprised what you can learn from a small piece of debris. if there is any charting on the inside, deposits, whether there was a fire inside or smoke. even after floating in the water for this long there is an enormous amount of information we can get off the debris. >> david gallow, on the 447 investigation, they were actually able to figure out how the plane entered the water, correct? >> yeah, we had a good idea it

hit belly smack, belly first, and the wings were pretty much compressed, everything forward in pretty good shape. it was pretty clear that the plane came down tail first. >> mary schiavo, you can look at all the facts, the airplane that they abandoned. they don't have the information, trying to do the best they can. clearly there is this group, though, the national group based in kuala lumpur, which is trying to base together -- they brought experts from all over the world to try to sort through the data that exists and that is the group that has come up with this latest information. >> right, and i think the response tells us something in how they're responding, whatever this data is, whoever found it

and put it together is obviously very compelling because they have abandoned the old search and they're combining it together. they say it could be the debris in the press conference i also heard them mention the site of impact. they are speeding there, abandoning the old one and that is encouraging they feel that strongly about the new coordinates. so perhaps it is the one. >> but richard, they kept saying it in the press conference we just heard and in the question and answer section, as well, that this is the best information they have currently, but it could change again. >> right, and it shows how tenuo tenuous. i'm not saying that as a criticism or a blameworthy fashion. there are the extremities of what they can do with the moment. it is fine for everybody to say this inmarsat data is not good, and is a bit ropey.

the moment you take that inmarsat data away you are left with almost nothing. so when he says we were searching at that zone here, that is what we had at the time. it is not a waste at the time. it is very discouraging but it is not a waste of time. time and again, the malaysian prime minister, the malaysian transport minister, the australian prime minister have all said the same thing with these leads, it is the best we've got. they don't have a plane, they don't have debris. >> when you have got nothing and you say it is the best we've got it is not a lot. >> and it does show you just how they are really operating with very little information. les. >> but it is a glass half full situation. i'm kind of encouraged by the fact that now maybe we're actually refining the impact area and the search and deploying assets properly . >> and certainly the good news on that, closer to australia and

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welcome back to breaking news, australian authorities announce the search area for malaysia airlines flight 370 has shifted in the big way, almost

700 miles, they talked about this. including whether or not the new analysis cast donate on all the information from all the satellite pings. >> the previous analysis had a range of possible assumptions about aircraft speed. and those assumptions have now been refined. and what is tested is the aircraft speed and therefore likely positioned against the arcs that come out from the distance satellite, the polling data. so bringing those together brings the most credible path for the aircraft. it is being refined over time. what we have now is the most credible location to the entry of the water and therefore the place to search. >> the area you've refined is still very remote, but less than before. what is your ability to search the area? does that mean you can put more planes over the area in a shorter space of time? >> we'll certainly get better time on scene.

and we started nearly 3,000 kilometers from perth so taken quite a lot off that. and now we will get -- you might recall we were talking in terms of one to two hours on scene. and we're now doing much better than that. and the other benefit we get from moving further north is the search area has moved out of the roaring 40s. which creates very adverse weather frequently. i'm not sure that we'll get perfect weather out there but it is likely to be better more often than we've seen in the past. and we will see what that does in terms of satellite imagery. when the re-tasking of the satellite starts to produce new material, as well. >> well, that is some of the press conference earlier. again, it is confusing because they talk about the point where the plane entered in the water. earlier on they mentioned the crash point. but clearly they have to re-position satellites. they don't have under water

vehicles to actually look in the water where the plane might actually be. they're solely looking now, or they're going to be looking today. they're going to be looking under the surface. >> because that is what you have to do. that is traditional. >> but they must believe there is debris in that area. >> yes, for some reason -- i mean all last week we talked about reverse drift and engineering where the currents are moving. but he said clearly tonight the entry point, the crash point, all of which leads -- all of this leads us to assume that there can't be that much discrepancy between the crash point and the debris field as a result of currents and tides and the like. >> which david gallow, is that your understanding of it as well? because he said the weather is better, the conditions are better. so perhaps there would not be as much currents taking debris far and wide. >> yeah, i think so anderson, i

know that the modelers i talked with last week just took a preliminary glance and thought the previous place had a bit of a lull in it. that may have restricted objects from moving around too much. i don't know about this one too much but that is what he led us to believe, yes, they were very close together. >> i mean, already we know planes are being re-tasked to go to this area. ships are, as well. it is 12:40 in the afternoon. it is one thing to think okay they're going to this new area, they could find something quickly. but again, this is a new area still to go by and they don't have satellite images. they have not zeroed in on this area to kind of analyze what might be there. >> right, to get the nice quality images we might need from the globe satellites, we're going to talk 24 hours. i talked to the digital person before. he said again, the satellites are moving around the globe

taking the pictures at 1700 miles an hour. then they have to download the information to get the high definition information. it takes a long time. he is talking 24 hours just to download them after they take the pictures and then they have to do the analysis. >> you know, david gallow, i talked to the commander, we'll talk to him shortly after the break. he said they were not frustrated. this is what they do. you have been out on the water 24/7 searching out in in water. personally, do you get frustrated? what is it like to search out there? it is maddening for people watching it to feel very caught up in it to have this roller coaster, well, we think now the debris is here, here is satellite imagery. now we learned all the stuff is being discounted. we're moving on. >> sure, i mean, i think the teams on the ships are probably saying that. but i agree with commander

marks. at the end of the day you're out there for a purpose and these to provide relief for the anguish of the family members. it is all part of the job. so i think they're prepared to put up with this. >> and certainly you think about family members hearing this new information. that will probably raise all sorts of questions for them about the reliability of malaysia's prime minister. >> well, it will, not only because it is new information, different information. it now throws out part of what they were told before. but if we're having difficulty understanding how data points can change so quickly and how they could be so far off i'm sure the families will have those same questions, too. but there is another point, too. not just that we're going to ease the anguish of the families, it is important to solve the mystery for aviation safety and security. so there are three reasons they're out there doing that. and i'm sure that the folks out there on the ocean know this

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breaking news tonight, a major shift in the search for flight 370. a shift in the eyes in the sky, the ship poseidon is joining this one in japan, assisting the american and international ships, including the navy fleet. a short time ago, i spoke with a commander, william marks. what can you tell us what you know about this latest news that the search area is shifting some 684 miles to the northeast? >> there were a couple of point that is come to my mind. first, it looks to me to be closer, a lot closer for the aircraft. so instead of traveling 13, 1400 miles just to get three or three and a half hours search time they said to get a little more search time. that is how it looks from my initial communication. the second thing is, our

oceanographers now have to rehapreha re--map how they may have affected the debris, to the area where we find the debris, to where we think the plane crashed. we work closely with the oceanography experts, and we're waiting for the confirmation on the debris field. and the satellite imagery is helpful, but i have to caution not to be too optimistic until we actual get visual confirmation. once you do, our oceanographers re-plot and it will help us determine a much more specific point where we believe this plane may have crash-landed.

that is where we can get their pinger locaters out there. >> help me understand, i'm an idiot in this kind of science, for days we've heard about satellite data from a variety of different countries, showing 122 pieces of debris, but multiple sightings of some sort of debris in the water. i assume those had relatively specific coordinates and that is where the -- and that is where your efforts and australian efforts and new zealand and the whole multi-national contingent has been looking. now this is shifting 600 miles away. does that mean that whatever that debris that was shown up in the satellites further south is now -- that it is not stuff from an aircraft? >> great question, and you know we asked those same things here. couple of points, one that -- the satellite image comes in

from all different places. it could be commercial, could be military, could be other government agencies. and then the second is it is timely. you never know where it may be if that indeed was debris. and then the third thing was, if you look at it, they're just little specks on the screen. so without visual confirmation you really don't know if it is debris or not. and so i encourage the flights to keep flying, we moved our second p-8 into the theater. and in my opinion, the -- it is critical to keep flying these missions in order to get visual confirmation on debris. and that way we can reverse engineer the winds and currents and try to get a position on it. >> you have been dedicating yourself to this since you were tasked with this. and a lot of people under your command have as well, from a lot

of different countries, as well. is this frustrating for you? i mean, have you heard from people on your command who have been working around the clock on this to now feel like oh, wait a minute, the area we're looking in we're now going 600 miles away from that. or is that just the nature of the job? >> you know, it is not at all frustrating because we train for this every day. and these plane, the p-8s, it is still for intelligence, reconnaissance, and war fare, so their mission is to go out and search every day. this is what they train for. they know they have different admissions. some days anti-submarine warfare, and some days you're looking for aircraft debris. so they understand it. we have a continuous 24-hour

presence not just in this area but north of japan, all the way to south of australia, all the way from hawaii to the india-pakistan border. so we're not frustrated. this is one of our admissions. and we're very proud to be doing it. and another thing is to see all of these countries come together is so encouraging. you know, this part of the world is known for having a big melting pot of different governments and ethnicities and religions, and to be a part of this is something we're proud of and hopefully we can help. >> commander marks, with the u.s. 7 fleet, we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] dayquil cold and flu doesn't treat all that. it doesn't? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus fights your worst cold symptoms plus has a fast-acting antihistamine. oh, what a relief it is!

. the search area for malaysia flight 370 has now shifted, the searchers covering fresh ocean, closer to land, but not yet closer to any answers, that does it for our coverage on "360," see you at 8 p.m. and 11:00 p.m. that does it for us. this is cnn, breaking news. and hello, i'm natalie allen at cnn center, we want to welcome our viewers in the u.s. and around the world as we continue to discuss the search