♪ are you even out of bed yet? you don't have to be. sit back and relax. we've got you covered. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. it's 6:00 on "new day saturday." we're beginning with breaking news overnight in the search for malaysia airlines flight 370. a chinese plane now, you see it there, has spotted three suspicious objects today in that new search zone for the missing airliner. >> this latest sighting comes a day after five other pilots saw a few other objects in the same vast swath of the indian ocean, although none of the objects

have been confirmed as having come from flight 370. >> that could be happening later today. the new search area is about the size of new mexico. it's almost 700 miles northeast where authorities have last focused the search. now, the shift was based on new analysis of radar data. >> and the chinese plane was just one of the eight aircraft dispatched to that area today, along with a chinese ship. six other ships are expected to join the effort pretty soon. >> listen to this. in the meantime, devastated family members protested claiming proof that all lives were lost. >> you remember last week, the prime minister said that flight 370 ended in the southern indian ocean. within a few hours of meeting, the acting transportation minister, was offering a glimmer of hope to the families there in kuala lumpur. listen. >> miracles happen, remote or

otherwise, that's is what we the family members need to convey. national to the government but to the world at large. that's not a very difficult request either. >> let's bring in cnn's paula newton in perth, australia, for the search today. >> paula, good morning. can you tell us more about the suspicious objects that the chinese aircraft spotted? >> reporter: well, we saw the chinese aircraft come in a few hours ago. they said that they saw three objects. one red, one white, one orange. what are they? that's what everyone wants to know. clearly they were quite intrigued by what they saw. but i caution they were about 1,000 feet above the water. usually the other surveillance aircraft is about 500 feet above the water. and still, they spotted things that have no significance still. they are hanging on to whatever

they can in terms of trying to find some sight of 370. at this phase, it's the next part that becomes crucial. six ships, somewhere already on their way there. it is approaching darkness here. at the same time, in about eight hours, those ships will begin to scour the ocean surface, try and find the objects spotted by the plane and actually pick them up. and that is the goal here, especially as this investigation enters that next phase. >> paula, as the sunsets, it's dusk there, the first plane, i understand, is back at perth. returned a short time ago. any update to the response to, of course, the first question, "have you seen anything?" >> reporter: they are all starting to come in right now. unfortunately we had the news from the chinese starting to come in. as you say, a few moments ago, another airplane coming in. the news was not good, they said unfortunately, they haven't

spotted anything. i've had to explained to me, i've been in the cockpit of these plane, i've had it explained to me what happens. even if they spot something, they then try and mark it and still don't have success in spotting it again. i want you to listen now to the pilot explain exactly the procedure that they follow. >> the first test we go through, everybody on board the aircraft will hear the code in the front. we'll drop a flare, it's smart for about 45 minutes. at the same time, a text coordinator is going to use that on the aircraft system that will drop a gps point and we'll attempt to obtain visual contact with the object that's been seen and reposition the aircraft to get photographs of it. once we get photographs of the on the, we'll be able to send them up for analysis. >> reporter: what's interesting here, is the fact that if

they're able to take photographs of it, that's all they're able to do. they send it back for processing. but at the same time, it is the ships now that need to come in to be able to take a good, hard look at what they're seeing, at the top of the surface and determine if that has anything to do with the missing flight. >> all right. paula newton, good to see you this morning. thank you so very much. we appreciate it. the question is what kinds of challenges are search teams up against specifically in this new area that they're talking about. let's discuss that and the latest on the investigation with cnn aviation analysis and former inspector general transportation mary schiavo and author of "why planes crash" david suchi. >> this morning, a chinese plane was able to spot objects.

is this a promising lead. we'll start with you, mary. >> well, it is a promising lead, but they have to close this out with the next step which is getting that on board a ship and to be analyzed that's it's part of the plane. and then looking at clues. every part as a potential to have clues. sufficient as how it crashed. any residue, is there any burning. all that will reveal the clues. the sightings and where we start, the examination is really what we want to do on those parts. >> david, let me ask you, are their analysts on these ships who can look at things as they retrieve them? or do they just collect them and get them back to people who will analyze them on shore at australia? >> they can transmit the photographs, so what they're expecting to get the photographs, of course, from the aircraft. once they've locateded a piece of debris, they'll take photographs that the point. it doesn't mean they've been

identified there. they'll probably have to bring it back to perth to the experts there. >> mary, just a couple days. first the 155 objects were spotted. then the 300 objects spotted, of course, via satellite. and then this entirely new position of searching. what happened to the hundred of items that were apparently enough for the australian prime minister last week to say very credible leads, what happened to all of those? >> they are no longer considered part of the debris field. or a potential debris field, as i understand it. they have abandoned those items. and they're, really, according to the currents, it's the possibility that the two debris fields can be related. so they have said that those debris fields, they believe, are not from, or potentially from the aircraft. and that the new field is where they're looking. and by analyzing the currents, they say that the old field could not be part of the new field. it's just two separate areas of

debris in the ocean. >> now, malaysians disagree, they say it's possible that the current could have pushed those items a few hundred miles. i'd imagine, when you have so many countries involved, that's one of the challenges. is that you have each country speaking for their efforts and their resources? >> and you can kind of -- and we give the malaysians the benefit of the doubt, they probably don't want to say all that work was for naught, and that's not where they are. i don't think all that work was for naught. they have to go look. you cannot have leads and investigation and say, na, we don't want to look it. you have to. that's what you do. in an investigation, you come up with dry holes so many times in an investigation. particularly like this, a civil investigation, where wry did the plane crash? what went on mechanically with air traffic control? and what went on in the criminal side? is there any crip activities? a very big investigation, i just

don't think they're willing to say to the families those two weeks of searching have been for naught. >> david, i want to ask you something, here's what i think doesn't add up for a lot of people. there's a lot of people this week there's a belief this was a mechanical issue or some kind of fire. even though this plane supposedly was traveling faster than they thought it was initially. how plausible is it to you that a plane could catch fire, have a mechanical issue and then still fly for another five or six hours without any communication being able to be transmitted? >> well, it's a good question, looking at it in the compartment all the equipment, vhf radio, acars, all of that equipment is in one specific rack. if it were something like that, fire, smoke, i would say it would probably be focused in that area where the communications are. because separate from that are the navigation, the autopilot,

and all of that is separate from the a&e compartment. that would be isolated to that part of the aircraft. >> mary schiavo and david suchie, thank you both. even if crews recovered debris from flight 370, there's one question remaining, did this crew deliberately divert the plane? up next, friends and family defend the captain. plus, another earthquake jolt, the los angeles area. this is the second one in just weeks. we have details on this coming up. are you still sleeping? just wanted to check and make sure that we were on schedule. the first technology of its kind...

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hoping to find debris. but also, the fbi is combing through evidence from the captain's personal flight simulator. >> since flight 370 vanished three weeks ago, experts have speculated about pilot suicide. and they question whether the crew deliberately took down this plane. that's been one of the big questions. >> despite a firestorm and media attention, friends and family say the captain built the simulator for one reason. because he loved to fly. cnn's pamela brown has more. pamela, good morning. >> reporter: well, christi and victor, sources say the fbi is close to wrapping up the data of the captain shah's simulator. so far, it's offered few clues as to whether shah deliberately diverted the plane, those who knew him are shedding new light on the cap. >> reporter: the man who helped captain shah build his home flight simulator now offer cnn a glimpse into the mind of a better pilot.

who sources say remain a mysterious key figure in the investigation of flight 370. >> he's just very passionate for his hobby. he wanted to make it as close to reality as it can be. >> reporter: he sold shah some of the parts he used to build the simulator. he told cnn the 53-year-old father was so 2re69ed in making the simulator feel real, he wanted a robotic seat like the one seen here that would mimic what it would feel in the cockpit. he said he doesn't believe shah could have been involved. >> he was very a very serious down to earth guy. even if he was trying. he's a pilot. i wouldn't think that you would go that far, you know, to turn a plane around and fly for hours just to do something stupid. >> reporter: overnight, those who knew shah and his co-pilot

fareed kamid said they lived real lives. he was patient and efficient and par from a political fanatic. neighbors said the officer was friendly and well mannered and seldom socialized within the community. still, investigators are focusing on both men, especially shah, if for no reason that he was in charge of the cockpit. >> they were interested in the state of his marriage. his views of malaysia airlines for what he reportedly believed was corruption. they're looking at views on his son. he was unhappy with his son on recent unemployment. >> reporter: so far, of courses haven't confirmed that with cnn and said searches of his home and forensic examination of his hard drive haven't turned up anything that would explain the plane's disappearance. though, investigators also say a

lack of evidence indicating premeditation doesn't rule out the theory that one of the pilots could have snapped in the cockpit. >> just because there's no previous history does not mean that the individual doesn't an episode that would have led them to do something that they wouldn't normally otherwise do. it happens all the time. unfortunately. >> reporter: i want to stress, too, there's no evidence on any of the pilots though the investigation keeps ongoing. a ceo from malaysia airlines did say all pilot goes through a psychological examination and have follow-up exams depending on certain conditions, such as their age. christi and victor. >> pamela brown, thank you very much. still to come on "new day," this is a question now that the first lawsuit has been filed that some will ask. what is your life worth to an airline? seriously, believe it or not, courts, lawyers, airlines, they

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we're continuing to follow the missing plane and we'll have updates in just a second but the other big story out of southern california today. >> yeah, 5.1 magnitude earthquake rattled the los angeles area last night. while there's no major damages or injuries reported, the quick did manage to start a rock

slide, look at this. flipped this car. >> nick valencia joining us now. nick, i just got a post on facebook from somebody named linda in riverside county and saying it shook us up and we're an hour away. >> right, i'd say 20 miles south of downtown los angeles, it was an unusual sequence of events. you have this 3.0 foreshock and a 5.1 earthquake that happened on a busy friday night. dodger game going on. and some broken water mains, as indicated, there was no major structural damage. officials are urging people not to use candles. there could be natural gas lines broken. you have that water main break there. and certainly a lot of rattled nerves. is this an area pretty used to earthquakes. a couple weeks ago, guys, you have that earthquake, now you have another one. a lot of people on edge here.

>> thinking that the big one's coming? >> yeah. after that big earthquake, everybody is standing and wait for the aftershock? >> that's right. >> during the press conference at cal tech there was an aftershock. check this video out. >> right, it's completely where you are. an earthquake of this size lasts for about one second in terms of how the earth is producing energy. if you felt a long slow roll, you're relatively after the event. we're having an aftershock now about 2.7. >> just taking it in stride there. >> she's so -- 2.7 right there. >> this is phone fuentes, not the main recognition of san andreas fault. back in the '80s, there was an bigger earthquake, in '87. costs millions of dollars. people were killed.

they haven't had a very strong earthquake since the mid-'90s, people are wondering is this a premonition of something stronger? >> nick valencia, thank you. we are getting more conflicting news, we're wondering if it's conflicting news as it caused hope coming in from malaysia. >> about a week ago, there was the statement from the malaysian prime minister that all lives were lost. well, we're now just being told officials are continuing their search for possible flight 370 survivors. we'll talk about it. this is kevin. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for him, he's agreed to give it up. that's today? [ male announcer ] we'll be with him all day as he goes back to taking tylenol. i was okay, but after lunch my knee started to hurt again. and now i've got to take more pills. ♪ yup. another pill stop. can i get my aleve back yet? ♪ for my pain, i want my aleve.

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well, you're up early on a saturday morning. it's only 6:28. glad you're with us. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. five things you need to know. up first, a chinese plane has spotted three suspicious objects in this new search area for malaysia airlines flight 370. and five other planes observed some objects in the vast swath of the indian ocean, although none of these objects is being confirmed as being debris from the lost plane. we're going to have much more on the missing plane in 6060s. >> number two, the washington staid landslide. look at this, hundreds of volunteers looking through the

area for sigh sin of life. officials are worried the bad weather will cause another landslide. the official death toll is 17 dead, 90 missing. number three, the fbi asks a now dead suspect to be an informent. this is according to a document from attorneys representing the suspect. authorities say the agents approached the accused older brother and asked him to give statements about the muslim and chechen communities. number four, the security chief for the world trade center has resigned. david velasquez submitted his resignation. this comes the same week four men were arrested for sliding security and parachuting from the top of the building. this is allegedly video of that happening. two weeks ago, a new jersey teen

got through security and climbed to the top of the tower as well. and trying to find whoever points a laser at a delta flight temporarily blinding its pilot. the incident happened at laguardia earlier this month. officials believe the laser beam may have come from a neighborhood in queens. a $10,000 reward it being offered for tips leading to the arrest. let's talk more about the top story, obviously, malaysia airlines flight 370. john lansome is here with us now. he's a retired navy pilot with safety operations. we're so glad to have you with us. but we're talking about a lot of things, including the three suspicious objects. >> in this new area, too. >> what do you make of the new area and the shift 700 miles to the northeast and the suspicious objects that apparently chinese pilots have found. >> well, good morning. the tendency of airplanes when

they fly at more altitudes is to use a higher amount of fuel. in this particular incident, people are looking at data and re-evaluating. and looking at more data and revalleying. in this case, they decided that in all likelihood, the plane flew fast at more altitude, used more fuel and ended up farther north than anticipated. >> so we're saying this is what doesn't add up for a lot of people as we watch this. some people have said, speculating this week that it was a fire or mechanical failure on board. if that were the case, how would it continue to fly at all without any communication. >> well, it depends on if there actually were a fire, the failure mode that would have resulted from that fire. for example, if there were a fire in one of the lower cargo pits and it ended up being a very high-energy release rate in a very short period of time. it could have escaped or

breached the compartment and there are cables in the cheek area, which is between the cargo compartment instead of and the fusel fusel fuselleage. there could have been as i heard the possibility of a fire in the e and a compartment below the cockpit and that could have messed up a lot of that. >> could it continue to fly for a period of time? >> well, there's a theory that says, yes, if the crew got the plane stabilized lower altitude for what they hoped was a diversionary airport and then the crews were overcome and the plane would continue to fly. >> we talked about what the transportation minister said, hope against hope. we'll play the sound in just a

moment. a few days ago, the malaysian prime minister said that the flight ended in the south indian ocean. this is at least a discrepancy if not a direct contradiction. >> more, i told the families i cannot give them false hope. and the best we can do to is pray and as long as there is even a remote chance of survival, we will create and do whatever we need. >> and i'll put this to you, is there a remove chance of a survivor? >> that's very difficult to say. in my opinion, no. based on everything we know. the airplane flew south. it ended up in the south indian ocean, and there was no more record of it. in all likelihood, it's down there. in all likelihood, it would be extremely difficult to imagine somebody surviving that. i can see why, because the

reaction he got when everybody was gone, that he might have backed off a little bit and still called this a search and recovery. >> it sounds as though he was saying these families have asked me not to give up hope. and he's not saying, he believes people are still alive. however, in respect to these families and to honor their wishes, we as a whole cannot give up hope that perhaps somebody is alive for their sakes? >> i agree. i think he's probably decided until they find some evidence that the airport is down, it's going to remain a search and recovery. >> even despite the words of his boss, the prime minister said, it's over. all lives have lost. >> right. >> okay. all right. >> retired airline pilot john ransom, thank you so much for staying with us. if you have any question s to ask him, via twitter, ask us

by #370clues. you may believe human life is priceless. is this difficult to talk about, but there are many legal questions, the first lawsuit has been filed. there's also the question, is all life equal? >> as people are grieving flight 370, these people are moving forward, with insurance claims as victor said, at least one lawsuit. airlines do put a value on lives every day. we're going to talk about this controversial process and what it means coming up. when you have diabetes like i do, you want a way to help minimize blood sugar spikes. support heart health. and your immune system. now there's new glucerna advance with three benefits in one. [ male announcer ] new glucerna advance. from the brand doctors recommend most.

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it's a difficult question to ask, but it is one that will be asked and already is being asked by some families. what is life, any life, worth to an airline? well, it may depend on where you're from, really, i mean, the concept of assigning a price tag to a life may make some people squeamish, but as lawyers and the grieving families of those on board flight 370 move forth in insurance claims and lawsuits now, there is a possibility that american families will receive more. just just a few thousand dollars more. millions more than malaysian families or chinese families. >> aviation expert phil weisner is with us now. he has led the charge after several other plane crashes

including twa flight 800. thank you for lending your expertise this morning. how much is the airline legally required to offer the families? and why are the dispersements not equal? >> that's an excellent question. the airline under the montreal convention is automatically liable for an initial of $176,000 u.s. dollars. after that, the amount of its liability is not capped. it's liable for additional damage beyond that. unless the airlines and crews that it took all measures necessary to avoid the loss or another party solely responsible for the loss. in my view, the airports weren't able to meet that district burden of proof, so it will be like for unlimited damages. but it will depend upon the jurisdiction in which the action is brought. and the montreal convention mandates the jurisdiction which a claim against an airline may be brought.

for many of the passengers, it will be either malaysia or the principal place of their domicile and it not be the united states. >> so, and i just want to be clear about this, i could be on a plane next to -- >> me. >> -- you, and somebody on this side. there. could be different values, and it sounds callous to discuss, but different values on each life in that row? >> yes, that's true. you could be sitting next to a person, say, from china. let's say you both are married. both same age. both same children and ages of children, approximately the same income. your claim, victor, would be worth millions more than the chinese person. >> let me ask you this, the malaysia air was owned by the malaysian government. that seems to bring in an entirely new twist to this when it comes to lawsuits. how might that affect this? >> well, unfortunately, would you think so, but it does not.

it's covered by insurance law. malaysia air has at least a billion dollars in insurance. the claims, $750 million. you would think because they're government-owned would bring in another aspect, but will not. >> do you expect a class action lawsuit here? is that even possible, considering that the people on this flight were from 14 different countries? >> that's another good question. the term class action is misused in an action like this. class action is not available. class action is for all people with the same type of injury and there is not in an airline crash. because of the factors of age of the victims, family members, income, all that makes earn person's claim different. class action, no. mass action, representing many of the passengers, that's possible. but not a class action. >> there's so little information about what happened in this case. no hard evidence at this point

of anything. how does the lack of evidence affect litigation here? >> well, it affects the litigation in part. i would say as against malaysia air to airline, it does not. and that is because, in my view, malaysia air is going to be responsible no matter what the ultimate cause may turn out to be, when it may be sabotage, hijacking, mass homicide by one of the flight crew. or a mechanical failure, all of those things will point to a liability of malaysia air. they'll be liable no matter what. what the difference is, boeing or manufacturer of the aircraft or some component manufacturer also liable. to me, that would depend on the examination of wreckage and further examination. >> final question, what's the time line that these people are looking at? >> two years to claim under the

montreal. >> aviation attorney floyd wisner, so great to have your perspective on this. thanks for making time for us. >> thanks for having me. based on this new theory we'll talk more about, after the break, we'll take you inside the 777 simulator to see what flight 370's final moments might have been like if the latest fuel burn theory is true. way to get your fiber. try phillips fiber good gummies. they're delicious, and a good source of fiber to help support regularity. wife: mmmm husband: these are good! marge: the tasty side of fiber. from phillips. america's favorite lasagna. topped with a mouth-watering blend of fresh cheese and aged parmesan. it makes our lasagna a delicious centerpiece for this table this table and your table. stouffer's. america's favorite lasagna.

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a chinese plane spotted several suspicious objects today in the new search zone for the missing airliner 370. >> investigators shifting their focus to that new area after further analyzing radar data. they say the jet burned more fuel in the flight, shortening the distance that it could have flown south into the indian ocean. >> martin savidge is delving into that theory from inside a 777 simulator. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, christi, good morning, victor. as they're focusing in on a new search site, we're looking at how the 77 went down. depending on thousand went down to end on the debris that is found. this scenario, mitchell has set it up so the engines are shutting down. this is to simulate running out of fuel. what we're going to do is leave the autopilot on. if the autopilot on it would

tumble into the water. with the autopilot still on, you get a very different effect. what are we seeing here? >> the engines are both shut down here. you can see this is the right engine, left engine, saying engines are shut down. basically, the rpms decreasing. >> without any engines, we're not climbing anymore. >> no. >> the aircraft is trying to maintain altitude? >> you can see it's starting to stall. the airplane now is going to start stalling because it can't -- it doesn't have anymore forward thursday. >> trying to hold the nose up even though it cannot. >> that's right. >> reporter: there's the first signal. >> yes. >> reporter: and now, the stick shaker. >> meaning the stick would start shaking to indicate it is

stalling. >> reporter: the nose is coming up dramatically. the alarm is going on which means we're starting to fall. the aircraft is getting unstable you can tell that with the horizon. we're literally falling tail first at the water. we'll stop it before we reach that point, because it's really too severe to show you. so that's one way that this aircraft might have gone down. and it would have struck the ocean with great force. christi and victor. >> martin savidge, and mitchell casadao. >> and now focusing on the new search area. this area is a lot closer to the australian close than the old one which equakes to benefits here for wone. >> let's check with meteorologist alexandra steele.

how is the weather here and how does it compare to the old search area? >> on a front, this move, 700 meters north, both meteorologically and in terms of oceanography is beneficial. what they need is visual confirmations. and the weather has been so poor it's hard to do that let me show you what we've got. here's the indian ocean. it's kind of like a "y" divided up in three quadrants and tectonics, and the plates. things rotate counterclockwise. there's the old search area, it's right along the latitude of the 40s we call that the rolling 40s. because at this latitude, you can see, these are the currents. the waves are strong. the waves are high. the currents are voracious, and big storms can develop. this move, 700 miles north, the currents aren't as strong. wave heights alone, on average, in this new area, are about 60,

compared to the old area, 13 to 19 feet on average. so kind of the wave height alone allow for visual observation, certainly to be easier if you can see any material. also, of course, the depth of the water, and the weather, along this rolling 40s is much more voracious than where it is farther north. so that is certainly good news. here's this new area, about 123,000 square miles, kind of the size of new mexico, to give you a perspective. how big this area, the search area, when you see it on a map, it looks small but of course, it's massive. also this is that search area. under the water here, we've got this broken ridge in this plateau. this is the depth the water. it's almost in some of these areas, farther south where the first search area was, it's almost the depth of mount

everybody res everest. and it gets to four on the area of the search quadrant. this is that area, right? it looks small, but, again, it's the size of new mexico, more or less. in terms of weather, weather has been rough. it's not as rough in this north in terms of latitude on the whole, we've had 48 hours of good weather. next storm focusing in on sunday night and monday. the radar shows the storms moving in, it's going to bring rain and wind and low visibility coming in sunday night and monday. we've had kind of a nice stretch but that's going to change weatherwise. >> alexandra steele, thank you so much. great explanation there. >> we don't want to lose sight of the families, there are 239 families waiting for some signs, some news. malaysia is trying to give hope to those families. >> a top minister, really saying, miracles do happen. we're going to take you live to malaysia's capital talk more on what he's saying on behalf of

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we'll have more coverage on missing flight 370 in just a few minutes. but first, another big story we're following, vladimir putin has reached out to president obama to talk about the crisis in ukraine. the russian president called the u.s. president, and they agreed to have their top diplomats meet to discuss proposals to resolve the situation peacefully. >> according to individuals there are 40,000 russian troops along the ukraine border right now. karl penhaul is live from the

border. karl, i've seen other reports from ukraine saying there's about 88,000 troops there. what can you assess of the number of troops? and is moscow's excuse that they're there for military exercises credible? >> reporter: the differences in the ukrainian government, they're talking about on the russian side, ukrainian government putting a number out there almost twice as high. but really i think what the ukrainian government is talking about, the russian troops massed on that border. and also troops a little bit farther back from the border who could potentially come in ukraine in a second wave. what both the pentagon and the ukrainian government agree on is that those troops numbers have increased significantly in the last few days. also, intelligence reports

points to the fact that russians are bringing in helicopters and planes right to that area. both say now force, so close to the border that they could roll into ukraine without any warning whatsoever. are these reports credible that the russians could move into ukraine. we have certain sergey lavrov saying he has no intention of coming across into ukraine. but in the last few days we have heard comments from president putin ratcheting up the propaganda saying that he believes the russians who live in ukraine are under threat from internationalists in ukraine. >> karl penhaul for us there reporting live. karl, thank you very much. we're so glad that you're starting your money with you. >> yes, your next hour of "new day" starts right now.

take a nice deep breath, you made it to saturday. i know it feels good. i'm christi paul. >> and i'm victor blackwell. it's "new day saturday." >> a chinese plane we've learned spotted three suspicious objects today in that new search zone for the missing airliner. the objects were white, red and orange, 700 miles north. >> and this latest sighting comes a day after five other planes saw the objects in the huge area of the indian ocean. although, none of the objects have been confirmed as coming from the plane. >> the new search area is about the size of new mexico and as i said about 700 miles northeast of where authorities have last focused their search. the shift was based on new

analysis of radar data. >> and the chinese plane is one of the eight dispatched to the area today. seven ships in that area looking for any sign of a missing plane. >> in the meantime, let's talk about the families here. what roller coaster this is for them. the families of the missing passengers protested again in beijing today. they're demanding proof of the game by malaysian officials that all lives were lost. this is what's interesting today. >> yeah, just a few hours after that, a top malaysian official was offering some hope to the relatives there in kuala lumpur, he told them, quote, miracles do happen. for the father of one missing passenger, the comments stirred some new optimism. >> translator: there's still hope. he didn't say all the passengers are dead. >> the first of the three royal australian air force planes returned to perth, australia,

just a short time. >> they haven't found anything of significance today but there are other planes and ships throughout searching as we speak. let's bring in paula who is there. are there plans for malaysians to physically go there at this point? >> reporter: well, christi, there are plans, know know there's a delegation going some time in the future. we haven't got a definitive as to whether there were officials already in perth and coordinating with the australians. basically what they're saying all along that the australians are leading the search. what we've heard from authorities, it's not just a search, it's a search and he is view. at this point, we don't know when a potential investigation could head to perth.

we know that the malaysian authorities are planning to take the relatives of that missing plane down to perth if and when they find debris. the delegation itself is there. >> paula, over the last few weeks, malaysia's prime minister said all lives were lost in this flight. now, the acting transportation minister there in malaysia is gives the family some hope. he seemed to get a little emotional this morning. tell us about that. >> reporter: yeah, this was a very interesting thing that the acting transportation minister said. he's basically meeting with one of the families holed up in kuala lumpur. he said within that meeting. it was a closed meeting that cnn could see. and basically, they said, they wanted to make sure even if their family members and loved ones are dead, they wanted to make sure that the search will still go on, that they'll still look for them.

the transportation minister gave a guarantee that he would and that the other countries involved would search. >> miracles do happen. remote or otherwise. that is the hope that the family members want me to convey, to -- not only to the malaysian government, and the to the word. that's not a very difficult request either, is there? >> reporter: he said in the begin, the priority was searching for survivors. he says that has not changed if there's even the remote chance of being a survivor, they will do everything. and cnn was on the scene, they actually saw some of the chinese families of the passengers on board. they were at one of the hotels. they heard the meeting was going to take place between the malaysia airlines and chinese said.

they were prohibited from doing so. they actually stood between them at the hotel and the taxi and prevented them from going to the area where the briefing was. they were very angry and believed they were holed up and kept away from this information. eventually, the acting transportation minister did meet with them and try and pacify them and tell them they are doing everything they could to find their loved ones. >> paula hancocks live in koaeu lump lumpur. >> let's thank you with steven wallace and david soucie about all that's going on here. by the way, he also is the the author of "why planes crash." >> steve, start with you, what do you make of the sudden shift that i think surprised a lot of people overnight, thursday into friday. 700 miles northeast. some analysts are a bit confused by this move.

>> right. well, of course, it makes the trip as has been pointed out to the search area like going from kind of new york to kansas city, rather than new york to denver which extends the time on station, probably at least doubles it. so that's a good thing. but it is part of a pattern of kind of slowness in getting the best evidence before the best experts that's plagued this investigation from the beginning. so, now, the data's been refined, and it's been put before the best experts. and now they've come up with another search location. of course, we're all very, very hopeful. and this is the toughest accident investigation i've seen, but i still remain confident that it will be solved. >> david, why -- i am wondering why is this new analysis a better lead, let's say, than all the satellite photos that we've seen thus far? >> the new analysis of the

moving location, is that what you're referring to? >> yes. >> well, i think it's good. what it says to me is that this team, and steve will attest to this, it takes a while for an investigation team to gel, particularly when you're looking at different countries and authorities together in the same room. to me, it's an indication that they have gelled and starting to agree on the new information and confident enough on the new information to give up on and say we've exhausted the possibility it could have been in that lower area. now, we're going here. all resources are out of here. so it shows to me, they're begin toggle. they're starting to listen to the all the experting and listen to what is the best effort to recovering the aircraft. >> steve what do you think about the resources in the area. they said it's the size of new mexico in that. today, eight planes out, seven ships either there or in en route? is that enough? >> it's unprecedented.

it shows there's such a collective desire to solve this at any cost. truly unprecedented. i'd like to add one comment about families which kind of relates to sharing the best information with the best experts. i think that some of these families, they're suffering which is just so horrific. to would have been perhaps reduced if their own governments had been involved from the beginning. you know, if the best chinese experts were shown the data early. and were able to communicate that to hetheir own citizens. so this has been a very difficult accident. i mean, it's an impossible situation with these families. and you know, the prime minister's speech seems to have taken away their mass hope. and now giving hope back. we've had incidents in the back where a few people have survived where hundreds have died. miracles do happen. of course, we're hoping for

that. i have to say handling the family matters, it's getting better, but it really was very poor initially. >> you know, let me ask you, david, i'm wondering the earlier images of all the debris in the old search area. and now the new debris in the new search, how confident are you that any of that is from the plane? we know that the australians say, no, it's not the plane. the malaysians say, yes, it is. what do you say? >> well, it's too early to tell, really, as far as the debris in the south, if they're confident of this new area, which they definitely are, it really in my mind puts out any possibility that that debris we were looking at before was aircraft. just the physics of it getting from that location to the others is nearly impossible. so i really don't see there's any possibility. and i was hopeful as well. i found myself finding aircraft

parts in that debris in my own mind. it's hard to separate that when it's so emotional. everyone wants to find that aircraft. you almost trick your eyes into seeing something that's not there. i hope the ships get throughout and start identifying some debris, rule it out or rule it in, to move on to the next phase. >> christi and i were talking about it on the break. the lapse of time between a pilot spotting it, dropping a flare. dropping a marker. the time it takes for a ship to get to it. and then with an analyst. are these ships going out with an analyst on spot who can make a determination that this is a part of the jet or not. >> well, i believe so. we've seen every day, we have a new tally of all the assets that are being applied here in many. ships. the airplanes will go 500 miles

an hour. and the ships will probably go 30. so there's a lot of time involved. i don't think that -- i don't know if the analysts are aboard the ship. i assume they are. at least people who are competent to identify a piece likely to be from the airplane or not. it could be easy. it could be a life jacket. you might get a piece of the aircraft component with a part number on it. so something might be fairly obvious. but i have to agree with david. we all want to see some aircraft wreckage here. but we just can't tell from these photos. >> well, we're so grateful that you are share something time with us this morning, to explain some of this, the search, that just continues. again, they're still out there, folks. we're waiting to see what they came back with. steven wallace and david soucie,

thank you so much for being with us. if any debris is confirmed to be part of flight 370, you know the search is going to launch into a whole new phase. what role will the u.s. play? and another earthquake jolts the l.a. area. the second one in a couple weeks and we're getting in some new video of the huge mess it left behind.

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are being established as having come from that lost plane. >> but if confirmation comes to surface, this massive search could take on a whole new focus. barbara starr joins us from washington. at some point, no one knows when debris from 370 will be found. what will be the u.s.' role once it's confirmed it's come from the plane? >> good morning, christi and victor. the u.s. will get quickly involved. one of the reasons everyone is hopeful about this area, if they do spot objects, the first step is, here in this new search area it may be much easier to get to them. and we talked to an oceanographer about that first step. >> reporter: the current, the strength of the currents are going to play a large role if you spot it at one spot and then go back six hours later, how much will it have moved. the great thing about this new search location, if indeed this is the right place to be looking is that the currents are way

slower compared to the other search location by, say, five miles a day travel versus 35 miles a day. as well as the winds are less strong. >> so, there you are. first of all, this is an area where the currents are less significant. so if a satellite, if an aircraft overhead spots debris, a ship should be able to get to it. what happens then, they pull it out of the water, they try and verify that it's actually from a 777. at that point, that's when u.s. navy technology may actually kick in very quickly. they will send that pinger locator that they are put throughout, that will go in the water, that will be able to listen for the data recorders if they can begin to calculation, where they may be based on those currents in that area. and they will also be able to put a u.s. navy unmanned drone, if you will, a mini kind of mini remote sub.

into the water, to the ocean floor, to look for more debris. it's the fact that this part of the sea is a little calmer, a little more steady, if they can find debris. they should be able to more quickly ascertain what it is is and begin the real search. christi, victor. >> hopefully, they have the resources to ramp it up. seven ships there, aircraft returning at dusk off the coast of perth. barbara starr, thank you very much. for three weeks now, experts have said that the key to solving this mystery could be inside the so-called black boxes. but have you ever wondered, where is it in the plane? well, i'm going to show you. and another earthquake rattled l.a. look at what it did. created a rock slide. flipped over this car. we'll tell you what happened in a news conference, too. you got to see. stay close. aflac.

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missing plane in a moment. b but here's another big story that we're following. for all you folks who may still be up. >> yes, because of that 5.1 magnitude earthquake. hotels were evacuated, some 2,000 people left without power. >> nick valencia is following the story. i had people on facebook and twitter telling me they felt it. one was a good hour away. >> felt far and wide from palm

springs where you got that facebook message. down to australia. you had the 5.1 earthquake that rattled everybody. disneyland stopped rides. dodger stadium, in the middle of a dodger game there. they felt it there. check out the video from one of the stringer stores in los angeles, store shelves. you see the mess there. thankfully, no major structural damage but especially after the earthquake two weeks ago, it really shook some nerves. a place used to earthquakes, but haven't had one in a long time. >> how about the aftershocks? >> this is the interesting thing, you have 30 aftershocks. a warm of them, 10 of them being 3.0. it even happened during a cal tech press conference, the lady there took it in stride. check out this video. >> if you felt a long strong

roll, you're after an event. we're having an aftershock now, 2.7. >> look at her. just worked it right in. >> does not skip a beat, just keeps the press conference going. clinton hills fault, not the same name recognition as the san andreas fault, it's a big area of concern, especially for seismologists at cal tech. >> we hope that somebody in that car was okay. somebody on twitter askeded me about it. we do know there was one injury in orange count toy. >> people think this is the precursor to the big one. i woke up to friends and family in los angeles saying, don't worry, we're about. thankfully, like you said, nobody seriously injured. >> i think the mayor came out and said, just be prepared? >> yeah. >> just be prepared. >> thank you, nick.

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that coffee doing the trick for you this morning? 7:28. you've still got time. >> maybe it's tea. i'm a tea drinker. i'm victor blackwell. let's start with five things you need to know for your "new day." up first, a chinese plane has spotted three suspicious objects. that's the way they're characterizing them. they found them in the new search zone for malaysia airlines 370. chinese media reports they're red, white and orange. five other planes found some objects in the same area of the indian ocean, although not one object has been confirmed as having come from some part of the plane. and we'll have much more on this part of the story in just a moment. up next. heavy rain, strong winds, they are hampering the workology the mudslide. looking for any sign of life, officials are worried the bad weather may cause another

landslide. the death toll at 17. 90 people are still missing. >> number three, the fbi asked a new dead suspect in the boston marathon bombing to be an informant. this is according to court do you means filed by attorneys representing the sole surviving suspect. defense said agents approached the accused older brother and asked him to give information about the muslim and chechan communities. david velasquez submitted his resignation yesterday. this comes after four men were arrested for getting past security in september. two weeks ago, a new jersey teen got through security and climbed to the top of the tower. number two, the fbi is asking for help to try to find whoever pointeded a laser at a

delta pilot. this incident happened back in mark. officials believe the laser beam may have come from a neighborhood in queens. a $10,000 reward is being offered for tips to an arrest. earlier this month that happened. well, the list of questions about what happened to flight 370 is obviously growing. and no definitive answers. >> could a remote-controlled autopilot that saved flight 370 and 239 people on board if it had been installed? we're going to find out more from cnn's brian todd right now. brian? >> christi and victor, we found documents a patent that boeing applied for ten years ago. it's for a system to be flown from remote control from the ground in an emergency. the system hasn't been deployed. one official says if it had, this malaysia airline incident

may have turned out differently. >> reporter: a lost signal, a vanished plane and on the ground a feeling of complete helplessness. an idea has circulated to put planes on remote control. in 2004 boeing applied for a patent for a system referred to as uninterruptive autopilot. >> ground controller could now take operation away from the pilots so they wouldn't have control over the throttles, and now this would be handled from the ground. everything now from the pilots tried to do would be consequential. >> reporter: pilots could flick a switch or the system may have had sensors on the doors that would automate the autopilotful a search amount of force to the doors. and then it could use radio or satellite signals and they'd be flying it almost like a drone. if malaysia airlines flight was

hijacked or if a member of the crew purposely did something to alter the path, would this have saved that plane? >> if in fact they determined that it was a problem, and they tried to get in touch with the pilot and the co-pilot, and they couldn't, then if that system were 34 place, it seems as though, the ground controller could then have landed this aircraft. >> reporter: right now, autopilot systems are manually switches on and off only at the discretion of pilots in the are air. an autopilot cannot land or take off. but this potential solution could also present a new problem. >> this wouldn't necessarily be hack proof, right? >> this system wouldn't necessarily be hack proof. so terrorists would be able to get into this data stream and force the plane to land or do whatever it wanted it to do? >> has boeing advanced this idea is the company testing it out? or has it scrapped the idea entirely. we tried multiple times to get

confirmation on this project. the company wouldn't speak to us about. christi and victor. >> brian todd, thank you so much. it's hard to believe we're starting week four since flight 370 vanished. march 8 is the date this plane was in the air and last on radar. >> now, the search area has changed and we're wondering what kind of problem that proses. mary schiavo is joining us next, to talk more about the investigation, the search and the families. stay close. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ female announcer ] with five perfectly sweetened whole grains... you can't help but see the good.

since this plane mh-370 disappeared. and it seems as the investigation continues and there's one promising lead, then it takes a huge turn. this morning, there's a new discovery of some new objects in this new zone. >> uh-huh. by the chinese. they apparently saw what they called suspicious objects in this new search area. chinese media reported they were red, orange and white. now, remember, yesterday, five planes spotted what they were calling as potential debris or objects, again. the question is, are investigators any closer to finding flight 370? >> that's bring in former aviation analyst and former direct of the department of transportation mary schiavo. mary, every day this week there has been a satellite or pilot or someone on a ship who has

spotted something. not yet has any one piece been connected to flight 370. when you hear about these three suspicious objects identified today, are you skeptical? are you optimistic? where are you on the realm there? >> well, in terms of the investigation, i'm always optimistic when additional pieces of evidence come into the evidence. you have to be optimistic about that. that's where you get your clues, that's how you put your case together. each piece say potential to help you solve the case, granted, more turn out to be something. you have to go through a lot of chaff before you get down to the heart of the matter. >> get thing as i understand it from the new search area, because it's closer to australia, the type that they can spend out searching is greater. i think that's been one of the big frustrations. is they've been so far out.

it's taken so much time to get there and then get back. we know that there are seven ships out there right now as we speak. but it's getting dark there. are ships able to search at all at night, or do you anticipate right now, they're just taking a breather? >> well, most of the time for searches and recovery, they don't search at night. if it was search and rescue, i mean, day and night. they have search lights, they have spotlights, if there was any hope to recover human life, you know, they do it day and night. they're really amazing in what they can do. they will be taking a rest at night because it's difficult to see. >> mary, there's a "usa today" report which cites malaysian law enforcement source that the pilots are the sole suspects -- actually, let's listen into what the "usa today" writer behind that report told cnn's anderson

cooper. >> it's been ruled out which means he did not do anything for money. but he did tell me that it is quite clear that he flipped in his mind. and that could have been brought about by any factor. and my source believes that the key to figuring that out is going through investigations or interviews with the wife. and for now, he told me that even though they did manage to speak to the wife a few times, these not that forthcoming with information. >> so i want to put some punctuation on this, that cnn has no evidence that suggests the pilots were behind the flight's disappearance. but, mary, the question is what do you make of this "usa today" report? and is it possible that some kind of death wish or a pilot who was trying to hijack a plane could do that and leave no trace of evidence behind? >> no. i don't. i mean i wish i could sugarcoat it. i don't believe the reports.

i think it's erroneous. "usa today's" reporters are fine. i think they probably got a bum tip but a good investigator, and remember that part of the case is criminal. a good investigator would simply never make a statement like that, whoever the leaker was from the investigation, i don't believe they were informed. first of all, no one would ever say that the pilot, quote, flipped. i think whoever is saying this, they had something stuck in their mind. there are many biases in investigations that you have to guard against. that's one called an anchoring effect. if you get an idea early on in the case, you try to make the evidence fit it. rookie investigators doing that but when you've been around the block a few times, you know you can't do it. and it sounds like you're trying to make evidence fit that theory. but there is not one shred of evidence. i've been in investigations for most of my career, and i have yet to meet the perfect

criminal. so i don't believe someone could have carried off a huge mastermind plot and leave few clues. i've certainly not seen that to date and i've been doing investigations, for what, 35 years. i don't believe it. >> as we talk about that, if they do retrieve something in the ocean, i was asking this earlier, are there analysts on the ship who can help determine whether it's from 370? and there are no markings and maybe if it's a small piece, how do you determine whether it's from that plane specifically? >> well sometimes, they do have analysts on the ships. you know, next, the ntsb in the united states will often go out on the ships and they'll be right on board. in this case, they have instructed everyone to bring the pieces back to perth. they will examine them there. there's lots of ways you can

tell. on the pieces of the aircraft, in was a fire explosion, there's pitting and characteristic pit marks depending on what caused the explosion. on the wreckage itself, there's a crumbling and tearing pattern. and whether the motion in which they were torn apart it's all very important. experienced investigators can tell preliminarily from looking at the pieces. in this case, they're taking them back to perth and they will decide what to do. there will be clues right away from the wreckage. the key, of course, is to get it and determine it's from the plane. >> that's what i meant. if there are no markings, how you can determine it is from 370 specifically? >> well they're pretty telltale signs. for example, on the plane, on the inside of the plane, it's kind of a gray/green color. most parts from aircraft, in

fact, many aircraft parts are specific and have numbers specific to that plane. pieces and parts of aircraft are all manufactured specifically for the aircraft. for example, seats and parts on the aircraft you wouldn't find on a ship. and many of the parts, in fact, most of the parts on the airplane have to be specifically approved by the federal aviation administration for use on that aircraft. so you wouldn't find them in other applications, typically. >> okay. >> all right. cnn aviation analyst mary shi schia schiavo. we'll see you next hour. for weeks we've been talked about the so-called black box, too. and why it could help solve the mystery of flight 370. but this black box might be a mystery isn't itself, as victor found out. >> yeah. and there are actually two of them. have you ever wondered where the black boxes are? why they're called the black boxes if they're actually

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to really understand the mystery of malaysia airline flight 370, investigators need the black box that you heard about. you may wonder where is it and what is it and what does it offer? let's start here. there are actually two black boxes. the digital flight data recorder and the voice cockpit recorder. you may think this would appear in the cockpit in this area of the plane. actually, it is all the way in the rear of the plane in the ceiling compartment below the

vertical stabilizer. first with the flight data recorder. this records the technical, the speed, the pitch, the yawn and acceleration. there could be thousands of the parameters. it retains the last 25 hours of the flight data. to learn what they talked about, you have to go to the cockpit voice recorder. that records the communications inside the cockpit. if there is a directive given to the pilot and copilot. let's say the crash of the flight data recorder, the technical communications, that is not found for some time, but you have the voice recorder. you can glean a few things from the audio because there is an m ambiant microphone in the

recorder. you can understand the clicks and hums in the flight. changes are coming to the black boxes. next year, there has to be a battery life on the pinger to extend from 30 days to 90 day d. in this case, the searchers would have two months to find the black boxes. and the faa is requiring a stronger beacon to ping at a longer distance to find. one will be attached to the air frame to help find the actual debris. there has been a proposal with the cockpit voice recorder to extend the recordings. right now, it is the last two hours. if the pilots were incapacitated, they would be sile silent. the proposal is 24 hours.

there are no 24-hour flights, but that could give an indication of what was discussed. i received and christi, i know you received it. why is this called a black box when they are obviously not black? they are orange. the term actually comes from journalists in the 1960s. no one knew a lot about the technology in the devices. they made it seem magical and mythical and extraordinary. this black magic inside these boxes. that is how they got named black boxes. they are equivalent to the fdr in our cars that records our cars or buses or trucks. those are event data recorders. christi. >> so interesting. victor, thank you. >> sure. vladimir putin called president obama about the crisis in the ukraine. we will tell you what they

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well, vladimir putin, and this surprised a lot of people, reached out to president obama to talk about the crisis in ukraine. the two leaders agreed to have the top diplomats to talk about resolving the situation peacefully. >> there are 40,000 russian troops along ukraine's border

right now. our carl penhall is on the border there. tell us what you are seeing here. >> reporter: we are seeing on the ukrainian side a build up of the ukrainian military. we are looking at them digging in with personnel carriers and we saw some t-80 tanks digging in and protecting bridges and the line of advance we think the russians would take if they rolla cross the border. more importantly, the civilian population is beginning to organize. they say they can't trust the united states or western powers to come to their aid. they are doing it for themselves. they purchased military uniforms at the market here in some of the towns. they are forming the self defense committees that have been digging trenches and setting up ramshackle outposts. they say they could be the only line of defense if russian tanks roll in. they don't have any weapons to speak of. they are arming themselves with

molotov cocktails if the russ n russians come in. >> the civilians are on the defensive, but they will not initiate anything with them, right? >> reporter: well, exactly. the trigger there, of course, if the russians come across and that is where there is doubt. speaking of 40,000 russian troops amassing across the eastern border. they also have tanks and attack helicopters. of course, what the pentagon officials are saying we don't really know what vladimir putin's intent is. does he intend to come in and try to annex some cities like crimea. we heard from the russian foreign minister lavrov, they have no intention on coming in. vladimir putin is saying he believes the ukrainian and ultra

nationalists are coming in. that is the reason he used to come into crimea. >> all right. karl penhaul, thank you. we are so glad you are starting your day with us. >> your next hour of "new day" starts now. >> i hope you just got to wake up on your own. no alarm clocks for you. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. we start this morning with breaking news. it happened overnight with the search for malaysia airline flight 370. three new suspicious objects have been spotted today in the new search zone for the missing airliner. the chinese plane spotted the objects. according to state media, they were white, red and orange. >> this comes a day after five other planes saw debris in the same section in the indian

ocean. none of the objects has been confirmed as coming from the lost plane yet. we don't know of any ships that have been able to retrieve. >> this search area is the size of new mexico. look at the map. northeast of where the authorities found the last few items via satellite in that last hunt. the shift was based on analysis of radar data. >> the chinese plane was one of eight aircraft dispatched to the zone. seven ships are in the area looking for any sign of that missing plane and seeing if they can get a hold of that debris. >> meantime, devastated families protested in beijing demanding proof that all lives were lost. >> within hours, a top official in malaysia was offering a glimmer of hope to what it seems to families in kuala lumpur. >> miracles do happen, remote or

otherwise. that is the hope the families want me to convey. >> so consider this, you hear these comments from the acting transportation minister the days after the prime minister says it was beyond a reasonable doubt that everyone on the plane had sadly perished. >> we have paula hancocks in the capital of kuala lumpur. talk about the words from the transportation minister and how people in kuala lumpur are taking them. >> reporter: christi, it came as a surprise considering what the prime minister had said a week ago. the acting transportation minister was meeting with families of the passengers on that plane. he said that even if there was a tiny chance, remote chance of survivors, they would pray and do everything they possibly could. what he was saying was basically that family members, we understand, were saying to him, if our loved ones have passed away, if they are not still

alive, we want a guarantee you will search for them. what he was saying is he gave a guarantee the malaysian government and all countries involved in this extensive search will continue to look for their loved ones. he was also said he understood their hold for hope until they find something physical. their one priority is to look for survivors. he is still calling this a search and rescue operation. not just a search operation. >> you know, i wonder, paula, if what you are hearing and discussed in kuala lumpur about this search for the parts of the plane, if it is different from what we are hearing in australia and different from what we are hearing in beijing. what's the conversation there? >> reporter: certainly the acting transportation minister had said something different from the australian side. we heard the original search

area which was changed on friday, satellite images there were not valid anymore and they discarded that area. the acting transportation minister said they could well be still considered because of drifts and we are hearing different things at this point. malaysian authorities are saying the australians are in charge of the search operation and they are in charge of the investigation in malaysia. the one thing they are trying to do is give as much information as they possibly can to the families. we are hearing anger from the families. they feel they don't feel they are being told everything. i talked to a husband of the stewardess on the plane, he said he heard most of the information from the press conferences that the acting transportation minister is giving. he said it should be the other way around. he should know about it first. >> a lot of suspicion from the

start. paula hancocks there for us in kuala lumpur. thank you. joining us now is the former investigator from the faa and assistant director tom fuentas. >> we are joining by tom gurley. he is the director and naval oceanographer. we start with the breaking news overnight. some of the objects, the three suspicious objects. orange, red and white. yesterday, one of our reporters was on the p-8 when they spotted a blue bag. there was a lot of junk, christi called it flotsam out in the ocean. do you believe these could be connected to 370 or is it still too soon to tell? let's start with steve. >> too soon to tell. this has been, you know, we keep getting sightings.

ships are participating in this effort. really too soon to tell. there so much debris in the ocean. everybody is clinging to various hopes here. hopes we find something to definitively associate with the airplane. families are hoping for a miracle. there is no reason to take that hope away from them. what is this debris? i can't hazard a guess based on what i have seen. >> van, i know you have an oceangraphic search company. if you were in charge of this and you were waking up to this news right now that they found this, how would you proceed forward? >> as steve was saying, the key point is to get one of the ship onto the objects spotted recently so we can confirm it. there is a broader set of issues here. making sure we are searching the right areas in a deliberate way.

when you look at the basic facts of what we know, what we know is the plane was in the air for a number of hours after its last communication back to the controllers and we believe that it went south. now, there are a number of assumptions made of the speed of the aircraft. new assessment is aircraft may have been going faster. therefor, the northern search area is the best one. we look at uncertainty with the assessments to make sure we haven't narrowed the box too finally in this eitheffort. >> tom, this new search area was the result of analysis, not necessarily new information. why is this analysis coming three weeks into the investigation? they have the same facts and now it's a shift seemingly every day. i think we have a map of the changes day-to-day. >> victor, i think the biggest problem is we have the same lack of facts or lack of sufficient

data to analyze. they are making a lot of calculations based on the limited data and they decided to review that and have other people come in and rereview the work and review that again when the searches came up negative in the southern search area last week. that is the problem. there is no real data that is sufficient enough for a set of analysts to look at and say absolutely the plane went this area and that far and then it went down. we don't have that. they keep reanalyzing it and hoping they can come up with maybe a better solution that is more accurate. >> steve, i was watching late last night that families want china to start a separate investigation. they are already involved in this one. how much influence do the families have to make that happen and would it help or would it just confuse the situation further in your opinion? >> it might help with easing the pain of those families.

that's a good enough reason to do it. i would say even in the united states where the national transportation safety board started the disaster assistance program, they stopped short of allowing the family group to participate in the investigation because they don't bring the technical expertise. certainly their country. what you suggested, christi, is an excellent idea which should have been done from day one when we had the inmarsat pings. take that data back to those people. it would provide a level of transparency in the investigation which might give some degree of comfort to the families. >> captain gurley, this shift several hundred miles northeast moved to waters that are calmer and not as deep, but a rugged ocean floor.

how will that play with this caveat, if they are in the right area, your quick thought on how this will play in the search for the debris and the black boxes? considering some positive and negative. >> right, victor. there are a number of positives. it is closer to perth. aircraft operating in there have more time on station searching in the search area rather than flying back and the forth. we are out of the 40s. the operation plaguing the operation to the south. this weather is certainly much better. the currents, as best i could tell, are very light in the southern half of the search area. more dynamic in the northern half. it is interesting to get the ocean currents operating and moving when you get to the ocean bottom, it is more rugged. when i looked at the general area yesterday, it ranges in depth from .75 of a mile to 2.5 miles deep with a mini mountain

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today in the search, new search zone for the missing flight 370. we still don't have confirmation that the objects came from the missing jet. >> if that were to happen, though, and we certainly hope it does soon, it would setoff a new phase of the search, including the possibility investigators could try to reconstruct the plane back on land. alexandra field has been looking into that what would detail. joining us now from new york. good morning, alexandra. >> good morning. recovering potential wreckage from the ocean floor could be a monumentally difficult tasks. would it be key to helping families and the rest of the world finding answers they have been waiting for? that could come down to what investigators find with the all important flight data recorders. picking up the pieces. putting them together. it has been done by crash investigators before.

the question is in the mystery of malaysia airline flight 370, will it be done again? christi and victor, we lost that audio there. we have seen aircraft reconstructed and put back together with flight 800 from twa crashed back in 1996. flight data recorders were not as sophisticated than now. that did not always give investigators a clear picture of what the aircraft was doing at the time of impact or crash. today's flight data recorders record 82 data points. that could give investigators a

much clearer picture of what was going on on board. that information would be used by investigators to try to figure out what answers they have and what answers they are still looking for. if the data from the recorders is not conclusive, we would certainly expect to see an overwhelming effort to recover wreckage from the ocean floor despite the fact this could be truly a challenging situation given the depth of the water and given the terrain. christi and victor, we know the objects in the water need to be identified as part of mh-370. then investigators would have to use the objects to trace back to the potential site of the wreckage and find the black boxes. >> alexandra field for us. thank you. how do you find a 777 in the middle of the ocean in new satellite images, but no confirmation any of it belongs to flight 370?

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it is an international effort like none other to locate flight 370. there are ships out in the ocean. eight planes have been scouring that area for evidence. >> this morning, a new possible lead in the search after a chinese pilot spotted three suspicious objects. so, could they be part of the

missing jet? that is the important question this morning. >> let's talk to cnn aviation analyst and former inspector general with the transportation department, mary schiavo and ceo of all source analysis. thank you for being with us. mary, i wanted to start with you. tommy tweeted me and he asked a question that a lot of us had been thinking about, too. why do you not send an aircraft carrier out there with a helicopter? you would think that would be able to spot debris at a more concise or precise way. what do you say to that? what is hindering that from happening? >> well, i personally think there should be more ships and assets out there. i believe the chinese sent a ship with helicopter assets on board. i think more ships and more equipment would help. of course, it is up to the united states navy, i guess, where they can deploy their assets and, of course, they have

lots of jobs to do around the world. i would make the decision if i could if we had the assets available to put more there. i think many more are needed. >> stephen, this search crew is focused on a new area. they think they will find the debris in the plane. is it possible they may find nothing? what about, it still stands out to me, the old search area, days and days of hundreds of pieces of something out there and no mention of those. are you optimistic this new search area is anymore credible than the last few? >> ultimately, i think yes, it is. the jury is still out. this represents the challenge. you are reading off the list of the assets deployed trying to look for this debris and try to narrow this down. you can add to that dozens of orbiting satellites trying to find this activity. it is part of the challenge. it is a large area.

even with the new area that has been further refined. we are still talking about a large expansive ocean. the conditions are still difficult to try to find small objects. i think there has been a bit of reporting. some of the objects people are seeing closer up thanks to the pilots and mariners on the ships. we still can't conclusively identify that as aircraft or associated to an aircraft. it is still a challenge. satellites are playing a part, but a part of the overall search. >> mary, i know officials said the plane was burning fuel at a faster rate. it was flying lower. i wonder if that was a factor in determining this. what was a factor in determines this new search area? how did it take so long to get from one to the other? are there just too many cooks in the kitchen, so to speak, at this point?

>> or the opposite. i think what happened is they had certain assumptions and they put a lot of faith in those four or five what they have been calling the satellite handshakes. the five or four data points that were calculated based on the contact from the plane with the satellites. there were two arcs. one to the north, which is impossible. the route to the north should have been discarded immediately and the route to the south. additional data came into play and we were told that the national transportation safety board from the united states and federal aviation administration and boeing were working and helping the malaysian investigators to fine tune that data. when you apply the altitude and air speed, you can get a more accurate fuel burn. why they didn't do that in the beginning, you can calculate the fuel burn on the planes so easily. they can calculate it down to the minutes.

it appears that is the source of the new coordinates for the search. it should be better than based on the five satellite data points. >> well, the search crews and we know the australian prime minister is optimistic of the search area. mary schiavo and stephen wood, thank you for speaking with us this morning. >> you're welcome. >> also, new leads on the new search zone and challenges for the search teams racing against the clock to find flight 370. just ahead, another earthquake jolts the los angeles area. this is the second one in just two weeks. we are getting in new video and pictures of the mess it left behind. stay with us. what you wear to bed is your business. so, if you're sleeping in your contact lenses, ask about the air optix® contacts so breathable they're approved for up to 30 nights of continuous wear. ask your doctor about safety information as serious eye problems may occur.

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no need to rush. it's only 8:30 on saturday morning. i'm christi paul. >> take your time. i'm victor blackwell. let's start with five things you need to know. number one, breaking news overnight, chinese authorities reports items found were red, white and orange. five other pilots saw objects in the same area of the indian ocean, although, none of the objects is having confirmed coming from the plane. heavy winds and strong winds are hampering work in the washington state landslide. hundreds of workers are still there digging through the area

for signs of life. officials are worried the bad weather could cause another landslide. very difficult task and de delicate. number three now, the fbi asked a now dead suspect in the boston marathon bombing to be an informant. that is according to the court documents. the defense says the agents approached the older brother and asked to give information about the boston's muslim and chechen communities. an earthquake rattled california last night. 2,000 people did not have power. nearly two dozen aftershocks followed. and the fbi is asking to find the person who used a laser temporarily blinding a pilot at

laguardia earlier this month. officials believe the laser beam may have come from a neighborhood in queens. there is a $10,000 reward for tips leading to an arrest. let's talk about the missing malaysia airline flight 370. crews are in the second day of the new search area. the good news is it is closer to the australian coast. they can spend more time searching and the waters are not so deep. >> we have alexandra steele with latest. >> all positive ways with the weather and waves and water. this 700 mile north move really makes a difference. let's go down to the indian ocean. southern indian ocean.

within the indian ocean, the indian ocean gire. it is kind of a "y." the three plates are divided in the indian ocean. where the old search area was down here. we call that the roaring '40s. there are strong wind and big storms that can develop. the basin is really quite unchartered and incredibly deep. here is the new search area. the 700 mile north move. a big difference with the waves. the average waves in the area north, about six feet. average wave height south here, 19 feet. big difference when you need visual confirmation. in the waves of the weather and weather particularly here in the '40s, big strong storms. the weather not as significant and not as frequently significant as it is.

also, the water itself, it is much less chartered south. old search area. new search area. closer to perth. easier access for flights in and out thus spending longer time on the water. if you are at the water, you need good visibility. here is a look. this is the size of the search area. about the size of new mexico or poland, perhaps. 123,000 square miles. but, within this, do you see this delineations of the darker blue and lighter blue? the northern portion of the search area is different than the southern portion. one is flatter. one is rougher. this plateau is called the broken ridge. this is what they are looking for. they are taking you depth four miles under water. you can see the water and terrain and how difficult it is even here. >> alexandra steele, thank you very much. great visuals there. let's talk about the pilots

of flight 370. joining us from washington is mark watson and a retired airline pilot and aviation specialist. let's start with you, john, because you are in studio with us. what do you make of the theories of the captain and copilot possibly deliberately crashing the plane in a death wish or suicide mission thus far in the investigation considering the evidence or lack thereof, of that? >> for the last three weeks, it has been the topic of conversation that the crew was the talk of this. there has been no evidence at all that the crew had anything to do with it other than to try to save the aircraft. nothing has shown up so far. >> i wanted to ask you, mark, mary schiavo was just saying there needs to be more resources in this search. we had a great tweet from tommy

saying why don't they have an aircraft carrier out there with a helicopter so they can get better sightings? what do you say to the thought that maybe there is just not enough manpower out there? >> you know, managing resources a difficult thing. we have seen the focus of the operation shift of over 700 miles. i would suspect that moving the carrier group is not an easy thing to do. having deployed it in one area and trying to move it to another area. i think at this point, i agree, more assets need to be brought into the operation, but you need to know where to bring them. >> john, do you think that it is and i want to talk about this focusing on the pilots. is that a fair start for this investigation? >> it is certainly fair to look at the pilots and backgrounds and anything that might have motivated them to do something like this. once that's been done and it reaches a point where it is just

speculation, i think that is too far until we get something that is much more concrete. >> mark, how detrimental do you think has the language barrier been in this case with so many different countries adding their experts in? do you think that has muddied the waters here? >> well, you know, i have done a good deal of research into english and aviation english and communication skills with crew members and air traffic control facilities. one of the things that came out early on, if you remember, there was a transcript from the crew to air traffic control. it was originally in english and translated into mandarin and back to english again. there were a lot of discrepancies in that as far as following procedures and questions on how things came out

or "all right, good night." there is so much we still haven't seen in the original english, which is the official language of aviation around the world. that really needs to be brought out to the forefront. i think there is culturally, it is a difficulty, but i think we really need to see the original languages for the air traffic control tapes and for any of the military tapes that would have come from the what had happened that evening. yes, language, i think is playing a part in this. >> i want to pull the thread of protocol and standards with you, john. there are so many people who question if there was something nefarious happening in the cockpit, as you said, there is no evidence thus far that says there was, if there was something nefarious happening, what is the issue with the crew? would they have confronted a man who was revered because he was a

captain for malaysia airline or would they have taken his word for it or respected his position and knew he had more technical knowledge than they did? >> i'm not spent a lot of time over there. i spent a lot of time in the area, but not in malaysia. the culture may be totally different than i'm used to. essentially, any crew member, if they get to the point if they suspect a fellow crew member is having issues, they will do something about it. now, there could be a case where somebody looking up to a captain and first officer as a flight attendant may tend to be a little rediscent it do that. >> just to let you know, we are getting word the search has ended today so far. the ships are still out there waiting for sunrise tomorrow. in australian p-3 orion did come back and reported seeing

multiple objects. i wonder, john, we heard this so many times. multiple objects in the first zone. do you think there is just that much stuff out there floating around or in this concentrated area where they are looking now with as many multiple objects as they have seen, we are really truly on to something? >> well, the ocean obviously has a lot of things in it already, well before the airplane disappeared. everybody has their fingers crossed and the little bit i have done, there is debris all over the place. sometimes it coalesces into a weed line or fishing line. this will be it. everybody has their fingers crossed this is the day they find something. >> cnn aviation analyst mark weiss and john ransom, thank you for being with us this morning.

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good morning. i'm michael smerconish. we have interesting topics to tackle on the disappearance of malaysia airline flight 370. some countries had information about the missing flight for days or weeks before they decided to share it. what's the deal? we will look at what they are hiding and why. we have a former fbi profiler to

examine the investigation into the pilot. also, what kind of lawsuits will the families have? a jam packed show you will enjoy coming at the top of the hour. christi and victor. thank you, michael. >> vladimir putin has reached out to president obama to talk about the crisis in ukraine. the two presidents agreed to have their top diplomats to discuss this to resolve peacefully. >> there are 40,000 russian troops along ukraine's border right now. we have erin mcpike with us now from washington. do you have any indication? >> reporter: christi, according to the white house readout of the call, they made progress on a path to a diplomatic solution. president obama asked putin for russia to put together a response in writing and then that u.s. secretary of state

john kerry and russian prime minister lavrov would hash out the details. russian officials said the ukrainian government is taking a move with constitutional reform and wants to move ahead with the process and including the build up of forces on the border with ukraine. i note the tenor of the readout is slightly different. putin said he wanted help from the global community to stabilize the situation in ukraine. he also talked about the safety of russians in the region and basically complained about extremists. there was a bit of a thaw. but it appears there is a long way to go, christi. >> erin, president obama said he believes putin harbors a grievance over the now former soviet union.

are there members of the inte international community believes they can put this all back together again? >> reporter: things are moving in this direction. president obama addressed that on cbs yesterday in an interview. take a listen. >> i think he is willing to show a deeply held grievance about what he considers to be the loss of the soviet union. would you have thought after a couple of decades that there would be an awareness on the part of any russian leader that the path forward is not to revert back to the kinds of practices that, you know, were so prevalent during the cold war. to move forward with the economy and responsible international citizen. >> reporter: now, as you know,

president obama is returning to the united states tonight, but this has been largely the focus of his week overseas for the past week. christi and victor. >> when might these talks happen between the diplomats first and secondly, are sanctions are hold at this point? any further sanctions? >> reporter: as far as sanctions go, congress has been actually working on this for the past month. those are moving ahead in the event that a diplomatic solution is not reached. as far as sergei lavrov and kerry meet, that could be soon. that could be within the next week. >> erin mcpike, thank you so much. we appreciate it. new information on the search for malaysia airline flight 370 after this quick break. stay with us. . from new york to london,

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>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> we are getting breaking news from perth this hour. this is significant. we have been talking about all the objects that have been seen in the ocean. today, we have a couple of ships that have actually recovered items now. >> let's go to paula newton in perth. paula, what can you tell us about this? >> reporter: this is the part of the shift of the investigation that everyone here was hoping would begin. it is dark here now and in daylight, it will continue. what is going on? we will have the minimum of six ships in the area retrieving objects out of the water. i caution the chinese ship and australia ship there, the chinese ship has been at it for hours retrieving garbage out of the water. they will continually scan the area with the ships to have a look at some of the more credible objects that had already been spotted from the air from the airplanes.

they will do that all day tomorrow. again, the weather being described as reasonable. it will be much easier for the ships to investigate some of the sightings. >> all right. we know that an australian p-3 orion saw multiple objects in that area, is that right? >> reporter: they did. although i caution again that really from what we are hearing from the pilots, they were discouraged of not actually seeing anything that looked like wreckage. having said that, the chinese airplane was up today and spotted what they thought were three in their language, suspicious objects. one red, one orange and one white. the deal here is the ships are supposed to cover the ground and try to spot the objects to determine if they are wreckage. the key here, christi, is they have started to retrieve those objects from the water and families have been waiting a long time for this investigation

to get to that point. >> paula, thank you so much. we appreciate it. that is such a turn in the investigation and finally probably feeling like we're making a bit of headway. we have seen the objects, but now they finally tanigably objects in their hands. >> i have a question for paula if she is still there. do you know the turn around time before we get some information? what is this? the chinese ship collected trash? they are now picking something out. what will we learn more? >> reporter: i can tell you that both authorities in malaysia and authorities here on the ground will get that information to us as quickly as they can. the reason, victor, all of the families in beijing and malaysia and elsewhere desperate to have information. when they have something that is credible and they can get someone who actually knows what they are looking at can sure

identify it is wreckage from the airplane and from flight 370, tell us as soon as possible. we think at this point, they have investigators out there who will know from pictures and high resolution pictures that are going back to camera to the capital here in australia, they will know definitively. you know, vehicictor, they may it is something from the wreckage. i will point out the australian navy ship will go out tomorrow. it will have three investigators here from australia on board and the american equipment, that key equipment, that will scour the ocean bed to look for the data flight recorder and for the cockpit recorder. that is also a significant movement in the investigation. >> paula newton, thank you so much, from perth there. we appreciate the update. >> we will take a quick break. join us here at 10:00 eastern. "smerconish" starts after a

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