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australia is massive. with the ocean currents in the part of the world with dangerous and unpredictable weather, where do you begin? we ask colleen keller. she helped track down air france flight 447. david glee is joining us. it seems not all of the countries are happy about sharing the information. and lawsuits are coming. who better to talk about that subject is arthur wolk. a firm that specializes in crash and litigation. the investigation has focused a lot on the pilot of flight 370. former fbi profiler mary ellen o'toole can talk about how investigators are digging into
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the background. and the cockpit and final hours of flight, crucial. david sucui is joining me. as we are now ten days away from the flight recorder batteries running out, here is what i want to know. why is this taking so long? specifically, i'm still looking for an answer to a question i asked a guest here a week ago. are geo politics partly to blame? on friday, the search shifted to the southern indian ocean that had previously been the focus. the new area is several hundred miles northeast of the region previously targeted and four times as large as search teams were focused one day prior. this shift was due to radar data with the china sea and strait of malacca. this suggested the airplane was traveling at a higher rate of
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speed than previously believed and ran out of gas sooner than calculated. if true, it means the search went on for nearly a week in the wrong area. remember, for reasons that are still unclear, malaysia did not announce until one week after the plane's disappearance that its military radar detected the jet flying west in the south china sea. further complicating the search is the weather and wind and currents. have the national security interests of the nations participating hindered the sear search? i asked that question last saturday. the new york times reported that the rivals are working together to find the missing flight. this has underscored the trust with those powers. quote, the imperative of the countries to cloak the technical capacities and weaknesses has
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proved irrelevant irresistible. along one of the planes possible paths. why? apparently because the area is a weak spot in the country's coverage. a limitation they wish not to reveal. there have been complaints that china won't share its data and when it has done so, the images have been altered. dumbed down according to one exert. thailand picked up the jet heading west on march 8th. thai officials waited to report that. we will talk more about how that has shaped and hindered this search in just a little bit. let's start with the search itself and the planes and ships and special search equipment used in the indian ocean. my first guest knows about these
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searches. colleen keller was on the team that helped find the black boxes of air france flight 447. colleen, thank you for joining me. how did math models help find air france flight 447? >> michael. what my firm is doing and what we did for air france is compose all the data in a basian theyor model. we layout a probability map that highlights the most likely areas based on everything you know where the aircraft might have hit the water and the less likely areas. it looks like a heat map. it has hot and cold areas. as they search, what they should do is put effort into the most likely areas and reduce those probabilities. as you search and you don't find something, it reduces the likelihood the aircraft was there and you could move on to the next most likely areas.
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>> is your approach being used by the malaysians? >> it is not yet. we hope to be brought on board to assist. as far as we can tell, they are just checking leads as they come in. >> is it necessary to constantly go back and research areas where satellite images have already been taken and where planes have already flown over because of the shifting nature of debris? >> well, it is all a matter of knowing where to go next. the best bang for your buck. you never search perfectly. it is possible there could be debris in the south from the aircraft. we may want to go back and revisit that. we have to look at the lead. >> colleen, one of the things i learned this week is how much debris, pardon me, how much crap, is floating in the ocean? >> we see that. there is a lot of what we call false alarms. >> where do you think this
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search goes next? you heard the reports and they are just breaking as we are speaking at this time. objects have been located. we don't know whether those objects yet on tied to the malaysian flight. where do you see this next going? >> this is what should happen next. we bring the objects on board. we verify if they are part of the aircraft. if they are, the next step is to get sensors in the water to detect the beacons from the black boxes if they are active. in the air france, the black boxes were damaged. that is what caused the search for a long time. we have the equipment a couple of days out. we get it in the water. we start searching the under water environment. if we do, we are golden. we are on to the target. if we are back to square one and we don't have aircraft wreckage, it is back to aircraft searching for aircraft. >> is it possible to know how far things can drift in a period of days or a period of a week or
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is that wait dependent? do you need to know what you are dealing with? >> it does help. drift is a combination of the effect of the winds on the object which, in turn, is dependent how high the object is riding out of the water and the currents. that is what we call leeway. i have heard the currents in the area are about a knot and in some areas, it is just eddys. we are looking at the currents we are seeing in the southern region. >> colleen keller, thank you for your expertise. the politics of the search. countries may be holding something back as they want to keep their secrets secret. [ female announcer ] right when you feel a cold sore, abreva can heal a cold sore in as few as 2 1/2 days when used at the first sign. without it, the virus spreads from cell to cell. unlike other treatments, abreva penetrates deep
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has relied on images like this. a grainy hard to see image of something in the water. an object that might or might not be part of the missing plane. each of the images gives searches hope. hope that they may solve the mystery. there is more to the satellite story in the search. i want to dig down on this topic and politics behind what we have been allowed to see publicly. for more on the role of geo politics, i want to bring in investigators david glieve. also, keith massback is here. he has experience in intelligence gathering. keith, let me begin with you. your credentials in the fact of the three years of government service, were you responsible for where our satellite images were pointed every day. you are the perfect person to ask. do you think the geo politics
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are playing a role with regard to hindering the search? >> i think absolutely, michael. it is a region contested. china, malaysia, indonesia, philippines. talking about shipping lanes and oil reserves and territory integrity. a lot of tension is in this area and it is impacting what they are doing. what they are concerned about what they are doing about capability. >> are they concerned about revealing strength and weakness? strength meaning they don't want people to know they have such a capability in the part of the world? weakness meaning that is a black hole? >> absolutely. our business is sources and methods. if people are able to determine what you can do and what you can't do, it will give them an advantage if they ever are in a position where it is an adversary position. >> david, let me ask you about the role of geo politics in the
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case. would you comment on the role of the chinese? it has been pointed out the satellite image was blurry for the known capability they have. they wonder if it was intentionally doctored? >> i think it is intentionally doctored. they said here is an image in the water. go look for it. it is helpful to get better images before we deploy assets in the area. they would be able to make more precise measurements and release better imagery. they don't want to declare their capability in this area. >> david, what about the role of the u.s. government in the regard? this satellite images are coming from the other countries and not the united states.
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is there a responsibility for the united states? >> there are a number of assets we have to deploy within the reason. to the west, we have problems in somalia as well. we need to make sure we are focusing on real world problems rather than searching for a lost airplane. that is a balance we have. it would be really useful if we had some submarines in the area starting to listen for the pinger units. if you deploy all of the submarines for this, they will spend their whole time chases each other around listening to each other rather than the pinging unit. we have a difficult balance to reach. if assets are deployed out of the indian ocean region, perhaps piracy will pick up. we need a balance on what we can deploy and not deploy. >> what do you make of the fact that the malaysians did not
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announce the fact the plane had taken a left turn for a full week? >> i analyze the data for the investigations i have been on. it doesn't surprise me. we saw the shipping search go off a couple of days before it was announced. we are trying to get facts in the public domain. you want to have the primary radar trace that was the airplane that moved off secondary radar. you want to look at the radar cross section of the airplane. that is a relatively difficult thing to do. you have ability on board u.s. frigates and you know which type of airplane it is. it is not normal capability within many nations to take a few radar hits and say we know which type of airplane it is. to get that fact in the public domain may be different from the private investigation. >> keith masback, two ships have
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reported recovering something in the region. we are not sure if it is tied to the airplane. one is a chinese warship that retrieved objects from the indian ocean. so far, nothing related to mh-370. your thoughts. >> i said all along, debris fields are fascinating. debris in the hands of somebody who can verify it is fascinating. >> david, i wonder how essential it is to figure out what went on here that the black boxes are retrieved. even if there is nothing on the voice recorder. what would be most important to you as one investigated accidents? >> well, one of the things that is being discussed is a potential suicide on board the airplane. i'm not saying who. in that case, we need the
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we'll get back to the search for flight 370 in a couple of moments. first, i wanted to look at the week's other headlines. headlines that got the story half right. number one comes from newser. the headline was "zoo that killed giraffe, kills four healthy lions." the zoo is the copenhagen zoo. the zoo that recently killed the 18-month-old giraffe and allowed school kids as lions that ate the euthanized remains. those lions are the same in this story. the lions were put down in anticipation of a healthy 3-year-old. when the 3-year-old entered the dynamic, he would kill the males
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and potentially mate with the female. they tried to place the cubs, so says the zoo, but they were unable to do so. looks like it is a jungle out there. here is how i would have written the headline. zoo speeds up natural selection. number two, this one comes from media. mike rogers leaving congress to host radio show. mike rogers the chairman of the house intelligence committee. a republican in a republican-controlled house. he has an important job. he is a former fbi agent. he gives good sound. that is why you see him on television and hear him on radio interviews. he has chosen to go in that direction. i see this as a sign of who really wields power in washington. it is not the congress. it is not the congress held in low regard by the american people. it is not the congress that is plagued by gridlock. no, it's people who have microphones in front of them. i think that is a shame.
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too often i see our elected officials taking too much direction from individuals who are driving in the polarized media their platforms. here is how i would write it. conservative radio hosts have more influence than congress. now for number three. more than 6 million people have signed up for obamacare. that coming from the l.a. times. the white house on thursday, announced they have reached the 6 million milestone. the deadline for the first phase is on monday. they are shy of the 7 million that was the initially articulated goal. it is still a pretty strong number. but we still don't know who is in the pool. remember, the economic viability of the affordable care act demands in that pool you have balanced interests meaning the healthy and the non-healthy alike. only when there is a proper balance will we know the model
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will fly. of course, this announcement comes soon after the president did that interview with zach galifianakis and the word is 25% of the enrollees so far are relatively young americans. here is how i would have written this headline. young invincibles gathered between two ferns. finally, number four, from newjersey.com and star. chris christie seen in positive light in internal bridge scandal review. you know by now there was an investigation initiated by the christie administration to take a look at his role and the role of others in his administration vis-a-vis bridgegate. the report was generated by a law firm with the governor enjoys close ties. it costs nearly $1 million.
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yesterday, governor christie disputed that amount. there is just one problem with this review so far. that is that the report acknowledges the port authority official who closed the george washington bridge, that would be david wildstein, apparently has told individuals he did report to governor chris christie on september 11th, that the lanes were closed. if true, that contradicts what governor christie said repeatedly. who gets the david wildstein or bridget kelly interview? here is what i would say. aide says christie knew while lanes were closed. authorities are not ruling anything out in the flight 370 investigation, but they are keeping the pilot of the plane
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we want to get you up to speed on breaking developments. we heard crews recovered objects in the missing flight 370. the items are red, orange and white. several planes and ships scoured the swath of ocean that is part of the investigation. let's not forget why the plane went missing. according to police resources remains on the pilot. his youngest son was asked about the investigation and he said he still doesn't believe all the people are dead, including his father. he says he won't believe it until he sees evidence otherwise. joining me now is mary ellen
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o'toole, a former fbi agent and profiler. mary, you worked the elizabeth smart case and natalee holloway case and columbine case. what is icon influence and how does it play a role in this case? >> icon influence means that a person for example, a person that the fbi may be looking at who could have been involved in a case, holds a position of status. that position of status could be a police officer, a coach, a catholic priest. their position makes them important and so the general public will look at them and say they could not have done anything wrong because they are so important in our society. when that icon influence happens, it can actually influence in a negative way the investigation. >> you are bringing to my mind, at least, the jerry sandusky
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case. >> very much present in that case as well as other high profile cases. >> mary ellen, don't you think by now, and i recognize we are all, including you, despite your credentials on outside looking in. don't you think by now, if something came up with the pilots or crew or passengers, word would have gotten out? there has been total silence. not a regard with any of those three groups. >> let me address it this way. the public and media will not have access 100% to the investigation. what the investigation is uncovering. number two, what i'm hearing in the media is that people are looking at what i call normal trappings of normalcy. someone is married with children and good family life. that happens in all investigations. we are looking at the wrong
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things. when i say, we, i'm talking about the general public. the investigators, on the other hand, they are really drilling down into the personalities, not just of the pilots, but the flight crew and passengers and they are looking for nuances in the personality. changes that occurred right before the flight. they are looking for how people handled stress and how people handled anger. what happened in their life right before the event that could have basically changed their life and yet on the outside, they look particularly normal. we are looking for the subtle that the general public may not be aware of and they are not being released to the press at this point. >> are those factors of interest to you and there was a report that pilots undergo psychological testing. are those interesting to you as
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a psychological profiler? >> the psychological testing is important. just like with the fbi agents and police officers, when you are tested, that sis a point in time. that has a shelf life. you can go for a couple of years. every one of us have stressors. death, divorce, disappointments. those tests we took a year and a half ago may not measure the day-to-day to build up to act in ways others way say that is not typical. when you peel away the personality, it may be more consistent with them than you think. the test itself has a shelf life. >> mary ellen, something else i want to get your reaction to. interpol says malaysian immigration never checked passengers prior to the disappearance of flight 370. if that is true, that would seem troubling. >> it could on the surface
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appear to be troubling, yes. what will become important is to take that same deep involved look at everyone on that plane. then you can start to put people in categories. that is the best way to do it. people in group one, not likely that they could have any involvement. then you narrow it down to people that could. they may or may not be people on the interpol list. you have to go much deeper than someone just appeared on interpol list or someone took flight training. you have to go much deeper when you look at someone's personality and say what is it about them that could have enabled them if human error is involved. what could have enabled them to carry this off? what are the triggers that could have caused them. it is more than normalcy.
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let's talk for a moment about the families of those on flight 370. it has been heart wrenching to see them taking from pillar to
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post essentially as they hear of word. now the government says there are no survivors and no evidence and no closure. while that plays out, the father of one of the passengers is moving ahead and preparing a lawsuit. joining me now is arthur wolk. he is a pilot. arthur, give me a perspective on the investigation and the way it has been conducted thus far. >> i think, michael, there are two investigations. one of which we don't know much about. the official investigation. since governments move very slowly, it is taking a long time to ramp up to do what they need to do to try to use the science to find the airplane and figure out what happened. then, of course, there is the contemporaneous media investigation, which i think has been focused on following every lead whether the lead has been substantiated or not. you have two things going on at the same time. one, the media is talking about
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every possibility that may have caused the crash and you have the governments trying to organize this thing so they can bring science to bear. sometimes they don't always coalesce. >> always does it get sorted out in an american court of law? >> i'm not sure on this one. we have so many international passengers. international airline. people were not destined to go to the u.s. they were going to china. i think one of the problems is going to be getting jurisdiction. meaning the power of the court to hear the case in a u.s. courtroom. you mentioned before that someone has already filed suit. that was in chicago. that's because boeing's headquarters is in chicago and the chicago courts are very, i would say very favorable to hearing cases that affect the common people. >> arthur, will you speak to the
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insurance issue and specifically the relative range of payouts on an annual basis for aircraft physical damage as compared to lose of loved ones? you know the issue i'm referring to. >> of course. most people think that airplane crashes that result in injuries or death to passengers is the principle cost in the insurance market. the actual truth is that in the international aviation insurance marketplace, more money is paid out on an annual basis for airplane and engine repairs and replacements than it is or ever has been for the deaths or injuries to passengers. >> yesterday, i flew across country on jetblue, watching cnn in real-time. i watched chris christie's press conference in flight. what is wrong with this picture there is not real-time transmission from the cockpit if we have the technology of
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everybody in coach to watch tv? >> it is really a scandal. there is absolutely no reason why an airplane can be continuously sending its information on its health to the ground so they can station parts and mechanic at the next destination so the airplane can be dispatched quickly and not provide information that would be necessary to investigate an accident. it is the same information essentially. it's the same electronic media that is used and if you are worried about somebody looking at the information to enforce a rule against the pilot, store the information on the cloud unless there is an accident that requires an investigation. >> the lead story in today's washington post, and i'm holding it, flight 370, a mysterious one off spurs calls to modernize tracking technology. will this be the legacy of flight 370? might this finally change the
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situation you just described? >> i certainly hope so. i think it is a long time and coming. most of the opposition has come from pilots unions who don't want this information to be used for enforcement actions against them or for actions personnel actions in the cockpit. most airline pilots i have come in contact with are professionals. they really work at this craft. i think that concern is really unfounded. i think in today's technology, it is a scandal we don't have the real-time information provided for accident investigation, but so it is available in the instance one needs to improve one's skills in training or otherwise. >> arthur wolk, thank you for your insights. >> sure. >> items are found bit by bit or are they? we are looking at three weeks since the plane disappeared. it is not that no one wants to
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just a clues begin to come in on the search for missing flight 370, hopes rise and fall. search areas change and the flight path investigators think
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the plane took. the search for the plane seems to change daily and crews find it difficult to lock in on what happened and where. this investigation needs to move forward and fast. i want to bring in david suice. he is author of the book "why planes crash." let me pick up with what arthur wolk said. will this change how planes transmit data? >> i have no confidence at all? >> why not? >> we are four or five years after 447 and the recommendations have not been implemented. if that wasn't tragic enough and this is a repeated concept, regulators need to step forward and do something about it. i lost confidence. >> cnn we don't know whether it's yet connected to mh 370.
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what debris from that plane would be most telling to you or an accident investigator beyond the black boxes. what would you most want to retrieve? >> the inside of the aircraft. pieces from the interior of the aircraft. >> why? >> my suspicion is that the lithium batteries is what's caused this and the gasses from that are very specific. they're hydrogen, chloride gasses with sulfuric acid mixed. it's been throughout the cockpit. it's the only thing in my mind that would have debilitated the crew and passengers. >> are there aspects from this aircraft more likely to float than of ners? >> flight control surface, specifically the interior elevator would be a nice square piece if it were upside-down it would be similar to the square one that we saw yesterday. but i don't have a scale so i can't really -- those photographs are difficult because you don't have a scale like you do with the satellite so it's difficult for me at this point with the information i have to identify those parts. >> with each of these reports of debris having been spotted and
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now having been retrieved, as a lay person i say to myself, if they are representative of malaysian flight 370 they would have had to emanate from one spot. it seemed to me a model could be concocted that would show with the sea currents the debris would all be able to be traced back to one location. i don't feel like i'm articulating this well but hopefully you know what i'm trying to say. >> i know exactly what you're trying to say. especially in this new area. this new area doesn't have the roaring 40s doing gown underneath. this isn't an area where you've got patterns as much as you did before. so i'm hopeful that at this point they would want to travel that much. >> have you ruled anything out? >> absolutely not. s a an accident investigator, this is what i've done for 17 years for the faa you can't rule anything out. although, you have to qualify and you have to assign levels of confidence to every ent, every fact to make sure that it is truly that. in this case we have very few facts, few events that have been recorded. it makes it extremely difficult.
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you haveassumptions beyond your level of comfort. >> have you reached any personal opinion as to whether this plane was on autopilot at the time prior to the crash? >> there's no question in my mind it was running on autopilot. again, we have very little clues as to where it was. 20,000 or 5,000 feet. as far as the flight path goes it's possible not only autopilot but this aircraft is very well trimable. you trim the aircraft to the best configuration even b without autopilot, potentially could fly for hundreds of miles without deviating from course. >> another of my naive questions. where was it going? presumably the coordinates put into the computer model didn't say let's crash in the southern indian ocean. it would have been to a spot, a airport. what airport? >> well, i think that at the time that it made the turn around, if -- following the
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theory of the lithium batteries or a mechanical failure, the pilot would have been turning and and going to subang near kuala lumpur. that's their maintenance base. if the severity of the event, if he underestimated the severity of the event, geez, we're not going to make it where we're headed to beijing, let's turn around and go back to the mate nance base. they're not going to go back to kuala lumpur if they're not thinking it's a severe emergency. >> would that not have necessitated a mayday call or would that not be the sort of thing that rises to a mayday call? >> it definitely would have been. whenever you're going off course like that it does -- it would also the acar system would have sent an emergency message, something is happening here, throttles are back, diving down to 12,000 feet. when they made the turn the acar system was already disabled. >> the person of bad intention would have wanted to turn off a transponder but there would be
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no motivation to turn off acar, correct, or disable it? >> of course it would. remember, acar is sending as many as 10,000 points a second. >> thanks so much for being here. appreciate your time. some families of those aboard flight 370 received a text telling them the plane was considered lost for good. a text. was it rude? maybe. i'm going to tell you what really wasn't all that uncommon about the texts. hey guys! sorry we're late. did you run into traffic? no, just had to stop by the house to grab a few things. you stopped by the house? uh-huh. yea. alright, whenever you get your stuff, run upstairs, get cleaned up for dinner. you leave the house in good shape? yea. yea, of course. ♪ [ sportscaster talking on tv ] last-second field go-- yea, sure ya did. [ male announcer ] introducing at&t digital life. personalized home security and automation. get professionally monitored security for just $29.99 a month. with limited availability in select markets. ♪
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one last thing, malaysia airlines was roundly krit sigh this week for sending a text to the family members of the missing passengers. notifying them electronically of the worst possible news. the text said, in part, we deeply regret that we have to assume beyond any reasonable
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doubt that mh370 has been lost and that none of those on board have survived. the company's croeo said that w the best way to reach family members who the airline didn't reach by phone or talk to in person. palmly members had signed up toer this means of communication. quote, whenever humanly possible, we did so in person with the families or by telephone using sms only as an additional means of ensuring fully that nearly 1,000 family members heard the news from us and not from the media. the ceo further explained. he then added that they had little time to deliver the news before it was known to the world. one man who lost his older sister aboard the flight immediately texted back, f you. many public relations professionals have criticized the airlines text. i'm not going to defend it but nor do i believe as a ber rags but rather a sign of the times.
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he told cnn it's systemic of the breakdown in the way that society communicates. cheap, fast, efficient but there's no emotion. and all i needed to do was review my recent in bin to see that he was right. last wednesday i alerted an e-mail i had not opened her electronic birthday card which was sent a week prior to the milestone. i had seen the electronic card, i knew what it was. i just didn't bother to click on it. if it had come in the mail i would have torn the envelope open. another friend e-mailed me to say his 87-year-old father was past. quote, dad was also ask that you read a newspaper every day and never miss the opportunity to vote in local, state, and national elections. i e-mailed back, i said, i had the privilege of meeting your father several times. i'm so sorry to hear the news. but shame on me, i didn't take the time to pen a letter of condolence or pick up the phone to call personally which i'm
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sure would have meant much more. so i'm guilty as charged. i bet we're all come police is it in the lack of the personalization these days. and while i can't condone the text informing loved ones awaiting news nor can i condemn it when viewed within the context of today's use of social media. that's all this morning. i will be hosting at 9:00 p.m. starting all week long starting monday. i hope you tune in. otherwise, see you back here next saturday. all righty. grab your breakfast and just hunker down here. we've got an awful lot to talk to you about. so glad a to have your company. >> 10:00 here son the east coast. 7:00 out west. you are in the "cnn newsroom." we're starting this morning with a breaking news in the search

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