i'm debra feyerick. welcome to "cnn newsroom." in about five hours search planless take off from earth, australia to begin another long day of searching for flight 370. they are looking for any sign of debris, and today we got our first look at some of the floating objects found and retrieved from the southern indian ocean. the first items picked up from the search area. while they look a little bit like trash, it is possible that this could possibly be debris from that plane. experts will analyze them as soon as the ship returns to land. chinese search planes spotted three new suspicious objects today. china's official news agency says one is red. the others are orange and white. about a dozen other objects were seen in the search area yesterday, including what appeared to be an orange rope and a blue bag. again, it is unclear if these items are connected to the plane, but it does give searchers hope. seven ships are trying to track down these objects. most of the passengers onboard flight 370 were chinese, and

many of their family members stage add protest today in the streets of beijing, demanding more answers from the malaysian government. other families in ma lalaysia voiced concerns right to the transportation minister. he will not give false hope and will continue the search as long as there are love ones to be found. bring in our panelist here in new york, tim taylor, operations specialist. tim on the end, a cnn aviation analyst and former boeing 77 captain and justin green, an aviation attorney and former military pilot. from phoenix, cnn aviation analyst and retired pilot jim tillman. let's talk about these items and the search area. one thing that really impressed me was the fact that two of the search items, or two of the objects found today were three

minutes apart by air, and that gives you a sense of scope of how large this area is. is that what we're going to be seeing? these search areas picked up in a radius so large and significant that you're going to be, have to figure out what is and what it's not? let's start with you. >> unfortunately, this late in the game, this many weeks later, yes. unless they are clumped together by some kind of wind pattern or current pattern, or they're in a mall ga mitt because of wires and hanging together, and you get a big section of it, they're going to be scattered, individual things potentially scattered everywhere. if it went down in florida, we'd be looking off the coast of maine. spread out across an immense area. >> we see a sort of net, looks like a fisherman's net, picking up something small. we don't know whether it's related to the crash or just sea trash out there.

but i guess people -- it's hopeful, but i think people really want to see those large pieces. they want that sort of malaysia airlines insignia stamped on the base of something, metallic based. sthap fair? >> extremely fair. the big section, the 78-foot section they had a wheat weeek ago, hopeful. it might have been a big section of the plane, or a seconds held together as i explained. the smaller stuff, it gives you hope, you're looking for it to lead you to something bigger. >> exactly. i remember in some plane crashes they find a suitcase. terribly sad, gives people more hope than other things. let me ask you a question, i want to bring people up to speed on the investigation. the fbi has looked at the data that was on the pilot's computer. you don't think there's a lot of credibility to any information that may have been found or the fact he a simulator and the fact

he had erased some of the information. you basically said that's a no-start? >> listen, i'm going by gut feel. not privy to all the investigation information, as none of us really are, but you know, as gut feel as an airline pilot, as a professional i see this man, the simulator, this is a hobby the man enjoyed. he did a youtube video how to install an air conditioner. he's a geek part-time. you know? he enjoys things with his hands, and he enjoys aviation. so that's how i see it. i see a professional. this guy was a check airman, at least at one time if he wasn't already at malaysia. he seems like a well-respected, consummate professional. >> and justin, now, you are an aviation lawyer. there was a lawsuit filed randomly sort of by a law firm out in chicago. the families have already been given about $5,000 as is

required by the airlines, i guess to help. >> right. >> first of all, is there any merit to this lawsuit that was filed out in chicago? >> well, let me just say first of all, it wasn't randomly. it was part of an actual marketing effort by the law firm. the law firm's called rivit law charter what they call themselves. they file the same sort of filing after theation anna c h they just took one look at it, the court threw it out. i think it's quite apparent that they filed it not for legitimate purposes, rather to help with marketing. they're over in china, overseas looking for cases. >> the fact you said their name on television helps in the branding effort and it's fascinating. >> maybe i shouldn't have done that. >> that's what people do. once the pilots find the objects

they drop that dye. how long does the dye stay in the water and how effective is that in relocating those items? >> the dye is a telltale and all's it is, to give you the current location and the drift at that very moment. it's going to spread and dissipate. depending how big the dye tablets were, how long it will last. generally it's used in a rescue situation in a raft or something if you're floating to put in the water to make your appearance on the water look bigger, and it will help them swing back around with the planes, or have other planes come in and i.d. that location and start searching. the probably just that day. and for other airplanes. >> so even time is against that, even those items. >> right. >> we have jim tillman also for us in phoenix, and, jim, when you look at the state of the investigation, are you confident that everything is being done, and that investigators are where they need to be right now? >> no. no, i'm not, and i'm sad to say

there needs to be a much more robust organization. we still need to put more assets in there. this is really a serious flas we're looking, there are lots of things we could be doing we're not doing. we could have a tanker in the air, loitering in the air to refuel that p8 and give him much more time on station. we could do a lot of things we're not doing and perhaps that a reflection of the lack of cooperation, put it that way, from the malaysian government. it's almost like we're all adversaries. >> you're seeing this, it's interesting. people would argue, oh no. it's collaborative. china, japan, australia, the u.s. you see it as perhaps they're not playing well together? >> no. i don't want to criticize that, because a lot of those people are very, very serious and working very hard to work together. i'm simply saying that none of us, none of those countries that you mentioned as far as i know

are getting the full picture. we will get just enough to whet our appetite and give a reason to travel down that road to see if we can find some logical explanation for it, but we're never given a total picture. we never have enough information where we could feel that as a jumpoff point and go someplace. i am praying we find something of substance out of this last search, because right now we're looking at situation where the people are being asked to do all kinds of jobs, and some of them are kind of risky. we're lucky we haven't had a real problem out there with all of these airplanes in a small space, and i wonder what kind of air traffic control is available for all that? we've got a lot of work to do. it's almost as if we're starting over. >> although as small as the space may be, i think i read somewhere, 252,000 square kilometers which is about 123,000 square miles. so certainly a lot of area to cover.

mechanical failure, mechanical malfunction? do we think something more suspicious, les where are you heading, leaning? >> well, i think people know where i'm going at this point in time. it seems to me that we've had a professional flight crew. there's a lot of indications to me that this could very well have been some sort of failu failure -- i've been going with the smoke. the smoldering situation in the cockpit, that they were trying to deal with, and it overwhelmed them. you know, we can go the lithium battery direction. i mean, that's pure conjecture on anybody's part. however, it's possible -- it's very toxic, that stuff, and if you don't see it as smoke, it's difficult to detect with the nose. it's possible they didn't put oxygen masks on and became overwhelmed by that toxic

situation, in the process of knowing they had a problem, and attempting to divert. >> lithium batteries would have been in the cargo hold. that cargo hold is not sort of isolated it is not sort of secondsed off jie mean, how would that leak into the actual cockpit, then? >> it is. however -- there's a very good fire suppression system in the cargo hold itself, however, everything in that airplane circulates. somehow through. from the bottom, into the cabin. so it's interrelated in various ways. now, the unique compartment, electronics and engineering compart nant has all the guts and electronics of the airplane is near that forward baggage compartment. >> right. >> it doesn't have specific fire suppression. all it has is the ability to reverse air flow to send smoke out, and if it doesn't send smoke, it won't stend out i. was just on a plane coming back from phoenix, and it's amazing when you see there's -- you are in a very, very, very tight space, and everything is -- reach out and touch anything you want.

gentlemen, thank you so much. tim taylor, les, justin and jim tillman, thank you all so much for your insights into this continuing mystery that so many people want to know so much about. gentlemen, thank you. well, was the 777 jet safe enough for long flights over the ocean? an aviation expert says, no. he's going to explain to us, next. ♪ [ male announcer ] when fixed income experts...

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digging into several theories how flight 370 vanished. the plane was not only the problem but the plane a victim as well. in his article, "the exemplary plane" at the heart of the mh-370 mystery, two engines. the boeing 777 wasn't supposed to be safe for long flights over the ocean. i want to bring in clive irving

in new york via skype. clive, why wasn't this plane in your opinion, safe for long flights, given that this is a half billion dollar plane? one of the most sophisticated planes flying? >> yes, i'm actually not saying that. i'm saying it had to prove it was safe. it was designed from the beginning to prove something at the time, in the early 1990s. it was a very unorthodox idea i amongst aviation experts, which is that you could take a very large plane, holding 300 or more people, and fly it over long distances, over the ocean, and on only two engines. and the critical thing here is, how far away would that plane be from the nearest landing strip if one of the engines went out? so the regulations gag by sbega saying no further than 60 minutes away and it's now up to over five hours. it's gone up to that level because the 777 has really been the proving point that it was

dependable. one instance where a 777 took off from new zealand, lost one engine on the way to los angeles, and had to make a diversion to hawaii. on one engine. it's a large plane flying on one engine. it was designed to do that, and it flew for 90 minutes on that one engine and landed safely. of course, the background to this is that before that, large planes of that kind had either four engines, like a jumbo, or three engines, so that if one went out two were left, or three left in the case of the 747, able to lose two engines and still make it back to land. so boeing led the whole aviation industry in the contention that the engines themselves, which are the things that decides whether the plane is safe or not in the end, in terms of reliability, but the engines have now reached a stage of being safe, build the whole plane around those two engines, and it hasn't successfully done

that. i think the case is made. ironically what we're seeing now in the case of this malaysian incident is that the plane was able to fly out long distances over water on two engines with no one apparently conscience in side of it. you could say looking at it that way prooch of thesis. >> i was going to raise that point. if something catastrophic happened to one or even two of the engines, that plane would have siff simply stopped flying sooner, perhaps when off radar at that point. >> the point about it, i can make, which is that this plane was very largely, technically, intact for the whole time that it flew over that water. what was not intact was something that happened in the early stages of the flight, which somehow left it able to do that. so in all of its critical systems, the engeniines and they the other engines it was

performing perfectly but we know something seriously happened wrong as soon as it took that turn and it's at that hour or o so, before and after it took that turn, where we really desperately need critical information about what went on in that cockpit. >> and it's interesting, because the 777 does have sort of a triple safety system redundancy, meaning it protects it. so arguably, as you suggest, yeah, this is a safe plane. it was safe enough to continue flying without the suggestion that anybody was actually operating the controls. possibly on autopilot, for example. now, you also write about the purpose of flight testing. explain how that relates to the boeing's disappearance. >> well, the flight testing, the aim of flight testing is test the plane until in a sense it breaks. to test everything. in the course of the flight testing of the 777, there were two emergencies within two days of what's called a rapid decompression.

when the air pressurized air in the plane gushes out into explosive force. those inside the plane need to get to an oxygen mask immediately or they suffer badly from asphyxia. on the two test flights. on one of the test flights, maximum altitude, 43,000 feet and the pilot just got it down, and even then, four of the test crew had to be taken to hospital to be treated for in diving terms called the bends, because they didn't get to their oxygen masks in time. now, it's very fortunate that that happened at that stage in the flight test program, and it exposed a flaw in a valve in the air conditioning system in the belly of the plane. that was rectified then, and there's been no recurrence of that since, but this simply shows to you that there was no redundancy for that failure. it was call add single point facial, highly unusual and no backup. and officers ensured since that can't be repeated. the whole purpose of test

flights, to push the planes to the limits. the greatest test of all for the 777, it's been flying since 1996 with an impeccable, really impeccable, outstanding record of the sort of 1,800 in the air now and i counted only 11 which for one reason or another were not flying. three involved in accidents, including this one and others stalled, but such a -- 99% of the planes built over the last, since 1996, are still flying. that's an incredible testament to the -- >> absolutely remarkable. yeah. clive irving, thank you so much. really appreciate those insights. just adds more mystery and speculation as to what was going on onboard that plane during this flight. now, coming up, he spent the last 20 years with this woman. a flight attendant onboard flight 370. now he struggles every day, as their two kids ask about her. their story, straight ahead.

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for exactly three weeks now the families of these passengers and crew members have not held, kissed or spoken to their loved ones. that includes the husband of one of the flight attendants who tells cnn's paula hancocks how he is simply at a loss how to explain all of this to their children.

>> reporter: foong wai yung's daughter and son keep asking where she is. 18 years as a malaysia airlines flight attendant, she was working aboard mh370. >> mummy is going to be a bit longer to take home this time. and i even promised them, i'm going to bring her home, but i really have no idea where is she now. and now i'm not sure whether i can bring her home. >> reporter: lee khim fatt asking me what he should tell his daughter. he says foong is caring and loving. he speaks in the present tense. >> of course, i'm still hoping for god's miracles, but it's just like -- what we want is the reality.

the true story. >> reporter: showing me mobile photos of his wife he tells me he's angry at the way he's been treated. his wife was part of the cabin crew, but lee feels the airline tells the media more than it tells him. he says he gets most of his information from televised press conferences, part of the reason he's hired a lawyer. >> it is not their fault that this happened to the plane. so, therefore, they have to be compensated for their damages. >> reporter: lee and foong were together for 20 years. he says they were happy. n now she lost. lee says he has will lost all direction. paula hancocks, cnn, cakuala lumpur, malaysia. >> the families in so much pain and grieving now. separately we are hearing central florida is under a tornado warning meaning that a tornado has been spotted or radar indicates that a tornado has formed.

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central florida is under a tornado warning right now. you can see some of the images of the area. that mean as tornado has been spotted or that radar indicates that a tornado is forming. alexandra steele is following it for us now. alexandra what are we looking at? >> debbie, exactly right. a tornado warning has been issued. either doppler radar indicating rotation. in this case in central florida, national weather service meteorologist melbourne, ice lated severe storms saying

there's a potential for rotation. a look where it is. it is central florida. tornado warning for central brevard, southeast orange and northeast osceola counties. this is going from now until 3:10 at this point. these storms are moving eastward at about 40 miles per hour. tornado watch issued. you can see, this is the watch delineated here from tampa and including all of central florida saying the potential is there for tornadoes. you can see this very strong line, but here in this purple, this is tornado warning, and this is quite different. more severe, and for a shorter period of time looking out. in this case, an hour, actually. so you can see. st. cloud, merit island, some of these cities kind of in this, cape canaveral. big cities. also the orlando international airport. cape canaveral, jetty park, lake kno nona and cocoa beach and you can see a line of storms pushing

eastward, 40 miles per hour moving east. very strong winds. some hail with this and, again, tornadoes being spotted. national weather service saying within some of these, you can see right here. there's a potential for some rotation. again. so in central florida, until about an hour, that's the tornado warnin ining tornado wa for a longer period of time. the severe setup. a cold front moving through. this warm air. there it goes, deb, it is firing off. we'll keep you posted on this. central florida, brevard, osceola counties for the next hour under a tornado warning. >> the force of these tornadoes, quickly, how danger us could they be? >> absolutely incredibly dangerous. if you see the tornado warning beeping on your screen or radio, get into interior rooms, preferably a bathroom without any windows. xrunk dow scrunch down, lowest room without windows. that's your safest bet.

>> alexandra steele. thanks. we'll touch base as you keep an eye on this. in a few hours search planes take off perth, australia to begin another long day of certaining for flight 370. today, our first look at some of the floating objects found and retrieved from the southern indian ocean. the first items picked up from the search area. while they look a little bit like trash, they could hold significant clues in terms of what happened to the plane. let me bring our panel of analysts back here. tim taylor, justin grieb, leabed and clive irving. we've seen some of the objects retrieved. first of all, investigators will have a monumental task finding and putting everything together. from ap law perspective, justin, how much evidence do you need to file a lawsuit suggesting the plane, or somebody onboard that plane, was responsible for what happened? >> well, it's interesting.

in order to prove a design defect, that the 777 design was defective, you don't really need the wreckage out of the water. you could take a look at the design documents. you could take a look at the, the other airplanes, and your experts could say, look, for this reason, for the wiring in the cockpit, for the -whatever it is. the design of the fuselage. you could say that the entire fleet of 777s is defective. but you're not going to win the case showing that, because you also have to prove causation, and without the wreckage out of the ocean, without the black boxes, i think that's the hurdle you're never going to make, and there's two things you should note, too. before you bring a lawsuit you're supposed to have a good-faith basis to bring the lawsuit. right now there's no good faith basis to sue boeing. there's no good-faith basis -- the only people responsible legally right now is malaysian airlines, and they're liable

because of the convention, an international trieaty that says they're liable fop sue boeing, accuse boeing of causing this right now is i think really irresponsible. it's not fair to the families, its misleading to them and also not fair to boeing. >> i remember with twa flight 800, everybody thought there was an explosion or something. a rocket that shot up. ultimately, it was determined that once they pieced together all those parts of the plane, they realized that it was something electrical that caused fumes in the center tank, to basically explode. it was almost like a fuel bomb effectively. so you're right. piecing it together is going to be very, very difficult. >> if you go ntsb school outside washington, they put it together like a puzzle to check that out. >> it's incredible it s. no matter what we talk about in terms of speculation and here to. until you actually have something hard to hold on to you don't know. les, let me ask a quick question in terms of the weigh point.

there's been a question as to the moment that plane checked in and essentially said, seemed to be locating itself between two different airports. what does that suggest to you? >> well -- >> were they trying to perhaps think in their mind that they needed to land? >> yes, absolutely. that's always been my contention, because everything was normal up until that's famous good night point and then they realized a problem was generated. smelled something, go with the smoke theory or toxic fume theory. they said we have a serious enough situation to head back to diversion airport and the captain would have said, i've got the airplane which it was his leg anyhow, and the copilot would have been doing a check list. the weight point would the have been entered. probably flying this route so much that he knew by memory what particular airport he wanted to go to, and he turned, put it into the flight management computer and the airplane turned that direction on autopilot. >> and, tim i don't want to let go before we answer this quick

question. in terms of what we expected to see from the black boxes, is there going to be that uh-huh moment, that sound of an explosion, that sound that, you know, we're losing control? because sometimes we talk so smudge about the black box and then we finally get the black box and it's not what we want. it's not that conclusive. oh, that's what happened. >> the flight recorder probably is not going to have anything on it, because it only loops every two hour, but the black boxes -- >> distinguish with the cockpit voice recorder may not have anything. the digital flight data roee rer t. wills have data, empirical date-to-ta plug in and guys like les, i'm underwater, but they can plug in and find everything from fuel consumption. what was going on with the plane. where it was flying, altitudes, every little thing record, real da data. right now we have a point it might have gone down and debris thousands of miles way from

where it might be and lacking everything in between. that would be such, such a find if they can find that. >> keep in mind, they may get so many different pieces and may not find the black boxes for quite some time. case of air france. two years. >> and it will tell you something, if the pilots were unconscious. >> gentlemen, tim, clive, justin, we thank you for insights on the 777. we'll be right back on the other side.

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as investigators search for the cause of flight 370's disappearance, some are already looking to how the flights may be affected in the near future. we saw commercial travel change after the 9/11 tragedy. what's in store for air travel now that a jumbo jet vanishes? our stephanie elam take as closer look. >> every accident affects the future of aviation, because we learn so much from it. >> reporter: jetliner catastrophes don't happen often, bhut they do, the impact on air travel can be global. in light of the mystery of malaysia airlines flight 370, the deck tads-old radar technology is being called into question. it seems crazy to me in 2014 a plane could just disappear. >> i agree with you. you know, anybody can buy a

little spot locator, that transmits to satellites all the time and we would always know where this person was. why such things are not onboard every jetliner, i don't know. >> reporter: in fact, the federal aviation administration mandated that by 2020 all commercial aircraft have gps onboard, but the faa doesn't call the shots for international skies. >> the way that aviation happens in so many ways is still very local. w dependent on governments, ed o idiosyncrasies and governments at the lowest level. >> reporter: cockpits reinforced, but long before 2001, calls for that very improvement from some groups in the industry fell on deaf ears. >> the industry is always hard-pressed to spend money on anything above and beyond what its mandated to do by government. there will be talk about this. in the end you won't see a lot of action on it. >> reporter: any changes will take years. the major reason for that is

cost. so while there are many suggestions out there from cameras in the cockpit and cabin to streaming flight data in realtime, these upgrades would could millions and have to be implemented without disrupting a system that moves millions of passengers a day. and who will pay for those upgrades? in the u.s., the airlines, the taxpayers and ultimately passengers. >> do you think maybe now the world will change how we fly? >> we've learned that we need to keep track of airplanes flying across the world's oceans. we need to know where they are at all times. more today than perhaps at any other time in the past. >> reporter: stephanie elam, cnn, los angeles. and we're going to bring back our panel of analysts here at cnn to start talking about this black box. what's fascinating, you ask, how could a plane simply vanish, disappear? do you think that how we track airplanes should be changed? that there should about steady streaming of information into a

central data bank so we're getting more, not less? we're getting pretty much, but still, now you realize just how great the demand is. let me start with les. >> well, you know, i go across the north atlantic quite a bit, a system, adsb a ground-based system through a satellite. we're always tracked. this is amazing that this whole in this part of the world could provide this system. this technology is already there. my airline reeves constant data about almost every aspect of altitude, air speed. almost everything. location is never an issue, where the airplane is. >> tim, this black box, do you believe that these are good enough? everybody's been talking about the race against time. 30 days, and then there's no ping. on some level, it shows that -- that we as human beings think, oh, we can find a plane.

30 days is plenty of time. >> yeah. i think the beacons can be expanded on time. i put assets underwater that cost hundreds of thousands sometimes millions of dollars or multimillion and they have beacons on there that will last 6 months, 8 months. it's -- >> realistic? >> yeah, well, i wand to find it. if i lose it i want to find my gear and so does the insurance company. so i think, yes. they can be expanded at least how long they last. >> your company uses these incredible vehicles that almost look like underwater drones to go and find. the depths they can go to. what are we talking about? >> i've worked with several different avs up to 5 thoishgs feet, pretty much my expertise, but they're all similar, and the smaller ones i've used the i think i brought on set earlier this week on cnn. >> yep. >> we go to 200 meters. 600 feet. all different sizes, but the big blue fin they're launching, the 21 inch is, i believe, 6,000 meters.

so it's 2,100 feet. >> right. >> and that, they go down and in order to take the pictures of the bottom you need with sound, which is like swaths. they take big, long, thousand meter swaths, you have to get it down to the bottom. these autonomous vehicles of the modder future, the way to do it. >> absolutely. getting people down there, eyes down there, without getting people down there. >> again, it's the search for the box, when these things are implemented. right now we have to narrow down where the search area is. >> justin, as the lawyer here on this panel, have you ever gotten information from the black box that has proved crucial to the cases that you've worked on? >> yes. it's actually the brain of our cases, basically. the cockpit voice recorder, flight data recorder, working on the colgan continent al, up in buffalo. pilot's activity shown on the cockpit voice roeecorder and wh

they did minutes after the emergency, or on the flight data recorder, and that was the key evidence in the case, and not having that would have really complicated our efforts. >> les, as an active pilot, do you believe changes is be made to the black boxes and changes should be made to the black boxes? >> well, i think changes are already in the works. i think it's after 2015, i'll be corrected if i get it wrong. 90 days on the beacon batteries. >> on the ping. >> i think there might be a possibility of making them, the signal, a little stronger. so it doesn't require such a small area to get in the vicinity of these black boxes, but they're complicated machines. very complicated machines. >> okay. which is fascinating. again, so much riding on hopefully finding this to get more information as to what happened. tim taylor, justin green, les

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more continuing coverage on the search for flight 370 in a few minutes. first a few other stories happening. secretary of state john kerry headed to paris today for a meeting on the crisis in ukraine. the state department confirms that kerry and russian foreign minister sergei lavrov will meet tomorrow. they'll discuss ways to diffuse the situation in ukraine. president vladimir putin phoned president obama yesterday to discuss the crisis. the white house says they agreed kerry and lavrov would meet to consider a "diplomatic resolution." an earthquake that hit southern california last night was about ten times stronger than the one that struck on st. patrick's day. the 5.1 magnitude quake caused no major injuries. it threw items from shelves, left a couple thousand people without power and did break some water mains and triggered a rock slide that led to this car, you

see there, flipping over. nearly two dozen aftershocks followed. well, about an hour ago, a moment of silence took place in washington state to mark the instant a monster hillside collapsed and killed at least 17 people one week ago today. before and after video shows how green valleys are now drowning in mud. and as people paid tribute, volunteers and rescue teams search for survivors in rainy weather. cnn's paul vercammen is live in arlington, washington where a command center has been set up and, paul, tell us about how many people marked the moment with when that landslide struck. >> reporter: well it was people throughout this greater area, deb, and at the governor's urging, he suggested everybody, because we're almost at exactly one week ago today, that the world came caving in on these people. people in the supermarket and throughout the area just stopped and caused and reflected on this tremendous tragedy, and the

loved ones that this community lost, and it's just been heartbreaking, because as the grim search continues today in the slide area, what you have is volunteers and firefighters and others literally looking for bodies to bury. looking for someone so somebody can have some comfort in being able to put that person to rest, and imagine the heartbreak for a young mother. she lost both her own mother and her baby daughter. let's listen to what she had to say. >> and i got to hold her and i -- maybe dropped but a couple tears, because i was so excited that we found her and all i could do was grin, because we found my baby. and -- >> reporter: and it's dangerous out there. you may know that there's pools of gasoline and propane, septic tank materials. these workers are enduring this every day. they talk about going through this and waste-high mud, being

careful where they step. one firefighter relayed earlier in the week it took him a long time, some five minutes, just to walk 50 or 60 feet, deborah, and the rain is compounding this recovery effort. >> paul, with the search and rescue, recovery effort that's going on out there right now, the weather hasn't let up. do they believe that if the rain stops, at least the ground will become a little bit harder and a little bit more searchable in terms of getting the kind of equipment and the people right there on the ground? >> yes. that was helpful earlier in the week, deborah, because we did see somewhat of a recession of the water nap is exactly what they want. they want to dry out. they've had record rain here. in a way, they're overwhelmed, overtired and over it. over the lane that hafalling seemingly nonstop here. >> one week ago today, heroic

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hi, everyone. i'm deborah feyerick. here are the top stories this hour. exactly three weeks ago today we were beginning to learn about flight 370s mysterious disappearance. now crews working around the clock chasing down every lead are hoping for a clue. what we know right now -- today floating objects found in the indian ocean search zone recovered by two ships. one chinese, the other australian. the first items picked up from the search area, and while they look like trash, it is possible that they are debris from the

plane. experts will analyze them as soon as the ship returns to land. chinese search planes spotted three new suspicious objects today. one is red. the others are orange and white, about a dozen other objects were seen in the search area yesterday, including what appeared to be an orange rope and blue bag. again, it's unclear if the items are connected to the plane but certainly signs of hope, seven ships are trying to track them down. most passengers onboard flight 370 were chinese. many family members stage add protest today in the streets of beijing demanding more answers from the malaysian government. other families in malaysia voiced concerns right to the country's transportation minister. he says he told families, face the fact, he can't and won't give them false hope, but he will do whatever it takes to continue searching and find their loved ones. we're going to bring in our panel of analysts here in cnn in new york with me, tim taylor, a

sea operations specialist. les abened, cnn aviation analyst and boeing 777 kand and the justin green, aviation specialist and pilot. when we look back at this investigation, are we going to see a turning point in terms of the flight -- the path this plane took and where it ended up? >> yes. right now i think they're focusing in on a debris field, they should be focusing on both. >> you talked about a double search area. >> yes. >> it was stunning to everybody all of a sudden we've got this search field that's 1,500 miles off the coast of australia and now there's one much closer. do you think they've got the right one, so to speak, right now? >> well, there is no right one yet until they find it. so everything's -- >> in play? >> everything's in play.

found debris with a satellite. i was concerned this may be wag the dog, or leading the search astray. so focusing everything on this search is important but not to disregard other possibilities, because everything is a possibility right now. and they have data that links the direction and the last half of handshake that should give it an impact area. ultimately, the impact area is the highest likelihood where the black box is going to be. >> and the point of impact, which is fascinating. switching gears, justin, talk about the families. you can't obviously forget the reason there's so much energy attached and the reason so many people are just involved in this, first of all, the greatest mystery since amelia earhart's plane vanished, but also the family, the ones we're seeing on television, are in such distress and there is so much mistrust. not all the families, but a handful of the families. how -- are they even able to process the information they're

getting as legitimate information? or do they see everything as being filtered through the scope of political correctness when it comes to the malaysian government? because they do not believe that government. >> right. first of all, i have a lot of sympathy for the malaysian government, for the job that they have to do. an almost impossible job, and the only thing i'd say is i don't think they've done it very well, and what has happened, they've lost the trust of the families. they've given out information and then taken back information. so right now you have the families kind of not knowing what to trust or who to trust. you have conspiracy theories being, you know, talked about, and one of the hardest things i have to do and most rewarding things is work with families like this, and i'll tell you, no matter what the circumstance, they're going through hell. they don't know what to do. they don't know how they're going to pay their bills. in this case, they don't even know what happened to their

loved ones, and they're in a very vulnerable position right now, and in the u.s., we've actually passed laws. the national transportation safety board has actually, has a family assistance program that is really responsive and really professionally run. every airline has to file a plan on how they're going to respond to an emergency like this, and we're kind of light years away -- even the lawyers. in the u.s. we have a federal law saying lawyers can't approach the families for 45 days, in any way. >> which makes perfect sense. >> perfect sense. because the families are in no -- in my opinion, i'm not a psychologist n. no mental condition to try to do that. >> thank you. >> it's overwhelming. justin will agree with me. nome from the family standpoint but from the accident investigators. it's overwhelming. this is a lot of information to process for everybody, and what can be released, and it's an awful, awful situation. >> and i also think, it's not obviously everybody is watching this, and there's an impact not

only on the immediate families but also the entire flying public. because i've been on four different planes since this happened, and there's always a question in the back of my mind. is this plane safe? i want to bring in dr. bob arndt, a veteran aviation consultant. are you there? >> i am. yes, i am. >> hi, dr. bob. listen, the theory, you have done, you've done a lot of investigation on possible theories about what happened to this plane, and how it may have come to rest in the ocean. you know, this plane flew for so long that it may than it simply ran out of fuel and then just fell into the ocean. what are your theory, and if that's the case, are investigators going to find larger pieces of that plane potentially? >> so, it's a great question. "wall street journal" this morning is reporting boeing is actually doing engineering simulations of the final few minutes of that flight. and it's very important, because

you know if it ran out of fuel at altitude it may actually tuck under a little bit for a little more of a high-speed hit. you're three scenario s here. three scenarios, like egypt air. plunged in 500 miles an hour. it so, the instructions, to look for a very, very small size particles in the ocean. you wouldn't expect to see floating wings or tails like you did with the air france flight. the second snay yoscenario, lie the air france 447. a basic slow stall into the water. much slower speed. probably 160, 180 knots or so. in that case, find full parts of the aircraft, like the tail. another interesting, ethiopian 961 crashed off the ka moral islands came in an almost perfectly landing on the water then one of the engines hit a coral reef and the engine disimpacted from the airplane. in that case, you'd expect very, very big pieces.

you might have that honeycombed aluminum piece, carbon fiber, if the tail were carbon fiber, you might find that. wings still empty of fuel but had air in it those might float, and those big pieces there which you can trace back to the current, giving you your best possibility of coming back and finding the actual site it impacted. now, the most distressful thing today, there hasn't been a good integration of the data. these are not data points they've given us. simply sthed said they've tried to backtrach using 19th century geometry. my firm belief, all of the data should have been made public. were they flying to way points, an example, possum, another example, so it meant it was put into a flight management system. there's a theory of a fire on the airplane, but as a pilot if i have a fire, what i do, turn off the master electronics. i automatically get all of the oxygen out of the cabin by depressurizing it and head for the ground as quickly as i

possibly can. well, going to 45,000 feet doesn't fit into that scenario. at 30,000 feet, enough -- no oxygen out there to put the fire out. i think there hasn't been an integration in terms of radar data from malaysia and thailand in terms of the pings reported but not giving us the data and there is frustration here in the united states among the faa, the ntsb and easteeven boeing, the hasn't were there. even when the malaysians said here's where he think it crashed, they didn't consult in full with the ifa and ntsb. it was their interpretation as opposed to a wider interpretation of the aviation community. >> absolutely. dr. bob arndt, tim taylor, justin green, les abened, back with all of you after a quick break. there are only a few labs in the world that can handle recovering data from a damped black box.

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today objects floating in the search zone, if the latest sightings in it's new area pan out it could narrow the search for the plane's black boxes, data and of course recorders. time as we know is running out to find the locator pings coming from those boxes, but if they are damaged, can the data eastern be recovered? cnn's athena jones takes an inside look. >> this is one of the more advanced labs in the world, and for that reason that's why we tend to help other countries. >> reporter: here at the national transportation safety board state-of-the-art laboratory, a demonstration of what it takes to get vital

information from the all-important black boxes. this is what the pinging of one of the data recorders sounds like once its made contact with water. even after a prolonged period in assetwater, data is still retrievable. >> a good success rate with recovery. all of the recorders go through different stresses and -- but overall, we've had a very good success rate with water recovery. >> have you ever not gotten data in a water recovery? >> i can't think of one. >> reporter: recorders found in saltwater are first bathed in freshwater and later carefully dried and taken apart to reveal this -- the device's memory card. even a damaged card can be useful, says recorder engineer erin gormley. >> the data jumps from clip to chip. even if you have one corrupt chip, because it has cracked or it has gotten some sort of corrosion on it, we still should be able to build the information back. >> reporter: information from the flight data recorder's

memory card, which keeps track of data like the plane's pitch, altitude and speed, is downloaded on to a computer system, where teams make sense of the data. to us it looks like zeros and ones. >> we get information from the manufacturer of the aircraft that has a data map, and that data map translates all the zeros and ones into actual parameters. >> reporter: for the cockpit voice recorder, a team of six to eight people helps transxrip the device's four channels picking up not just voices but everything from a door opening to a seat shifting. the work is difficult but key to understanding what went wrong in airline disasters. >> we want to make sure this never happens again. >> reporter: athena jones, cnn, washington. back to our panel now and talk about technology. is this the best tool we have right now? do you think there should be some system so that we're not searching around the sea to try

find the answer, but so that all of this data is being streamlined into a central location? realtime? so we're getting a loop? les what do you think? >> i mean, all of these tools combine together to make an accident investigation more accurate. so, i mean, airplane signals, if that -- it becomes more available, more prevalent. this combined with the flight recorder will definitely help in an accident investigation. i mean, there's all of this stuff, it can be combined in realtime data, that the digital flight data recorder that's right here, and the cockpit voice recorder is all combined together in addition to other data and the forensics of the fragments from the airplane are extremely important also. >> okay. now, les, you had an opinion piece on our cnn website. this is fascinating to me. i think you gentlemen have also read it and i want you all to comment on this. a smoldering fire began to

effect components and electronics and engineering. components began to fail's the crew followed appropriate checklists until it was determined the primary concern was landing the plane when the pilot enters that way point between the two different airports. but all of a sudden they can't control the plane. and it drops, loses altitude and begins this sort of flight, what people have called the zombie flight. how do you -- that seem like a plausible scenario to you? i know you're the underwater guy -- >> you know, payne stewart, the golfer, you can relate it to something like that. goes back to lesson and other fail-safe things that never fired. boyers never fired in the water. the beacons. >> or the life rafts, you're talking about. >> the eperbs on the boat. >> the locators. >> so that's the big thing. in answer to the earlier question, too. when we're underway on a boat,

the first rule of navigation is to always know where you are. >> right. >> so if this is the case where these black boxes and navigation, we have a technology to know where every plane is in the sky with satellites. nowhere someone's hiking with a spot system. >> sure. >> so maybe it is time for that. >> justin, i want to ask about the psychological impact of this, because there are two theories. that the plane did this highdive, depressurized immediately, meaning everybody would have been knocked out. >> most likely. >> or that there was an emergency in the cockpit and that being the case, then in fact the people knew what was going on onboard. so there's the psychological impact. did they -- pass out right away, or did they know? >> well, that's the -- >> how about that in a legal case? >> i just think morally it's -- i mean, sympathetically, it's a horror to even think about. it's not that important, really, to the legal case. the focus of the legal case right now has got to be on

liability, not so much damages. the airline is going to be liable, but as the u.s. has interpreted the montreal convention, they're not liable for pre-death fear. so you could actually have someone sitting in a cockpit for an hour knowing that they're going to die, but legally, the airline could say, look, we're not liable for that, under the -- how the u.s. -- >> they what they were spoetzed to supposed to do. >> right. >> gentlemen, we're going to get back to pup thank you to our experts. they'll stick around with us this hour. we'll be right back. ♪

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in washington state, gray skies echoed the mood as people marked the instant a killer landslide struck one week ago today. at least 17 people died in the oso area and searchers are struggling through the rainy weather to find any remaining signs of life. i'm going to turn to cnn's dan simon. he is live at command center in arlington, washington, and, dan, what is going on right now at that site? >> reporter: well, hi, deborah. first of all, the governor asked all to observe a moment of silence at the precise time when the landslide occurred a week ago destroying an entire neighborhood in oso. folk there's at the scene pause add moment and went on with

their difficult work of trying to recover bodies. at this point, deborah, we still don't have a full understanding of the scope of this stratraged. we know the official death poll stands at 17, but there are many more bodies still in the debris. 90 people are still said to be missing. right now it's not raining at the moment, but basically there's been a steady rain over the past 24 hours and it's supposed to continue throughout the weekend. that's just going to make life a lot more difficult for folks at the scene as they wade through the mud and try to rove beloeco belongings and recover bodies. deborah? >> it's incredible. we've soon an avalanche of mud. it's been raining for days. is there any concern that other area, at risk? are they considering any potential evacuations of surrounding communities? >> at this point, no. the land seems to be stable, but they're keeping a close eye out

and actually instruments are in the ground that are designed to alert authorities if there's any movement in the ground and then they'll evacuate. particularly where the rescuers are. where the search and rescue crews are digging through the rubble. but at this point, things seem to be okay, but, of course, they have contingency plans if the earth is going to move again. deborah? >> incredible. and completely unpredictable. all right. thanks, dan simon, for us there in washington. appreciate it. well, right now, the search for flight 370 is focused on the surface of the ocean, but what happens when the focus goes deep underwater? ahead, we'll show you a high-tech tool for searching under the sea. scott: appears buster's been busy.

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we're waiting to hear if several floating objects retrieved today in the southern indian ocean might be connected to flight 370.

a chinese ship and australian ship picked them up today. think is new video of the items scooped up from the water. we don't know if their plane debris or simple ocean trash, but experts plan to analyze them later today. chinese search planes spotted three new objects today. china's news agency says one it red, the others are ourange and white. a dozen other iteming were seen yesterday including a blue rope and a bag. seven ships are trying to track these items down. family members had a protest today demanding more answers from the malaysian government. others related their complaints directly to the transportation minister. he met with them today and said he's not going to abandon the person. what planes and satellites can spot on the bottom of the ocean. once they find where the plane

went down the search will go much deeper underwater. this is one piece of equipment that will help in the undersea search. >> reporter: this device dives into the ocean several miles, and it creates a map of the ocean floor. it's called an auv, an autonomous underwater vehicle, and it uses side-scan sonar. you can see it right here, to create that picture. it's also equipped with a gps system. you can see it right over here and, of course, that let's the crew know where this probe is at any point in time. now, let's go ahead and start launching. this probe is owned by cnc technologies, it is highly customized, and hear this -- it has been used before to identify and help recover plane wreckage in other parts of the world. so in the case of mh-370, what a probe like this would be able to do is, it would be able to narrow the debris feld, help narrow the search which, of

course, is one of the daunting tasks we've been talking about in the indian ocean. so what we're seeing here is this probe is going to go into the water. now, for demonstration purposes, it's tethered. that would not be the case, of course, in the indian ocean. it would be untethered. it would go several miles deep into the ocean, and then it would start creating this picture of the ocean floor. now, once this launch is es on the water, you will see it kind of floats. it's buoyant but goes deep into the ocean. now, in a control room there are a crew who would be programming the mission for this device, in the case of mh-370 a piece of equipment like this would scour the ocean floor looking for any oddities. looking for anything that looks like a debris field. anything that looks like the

wreckage of mh-370. >> and they have to go to the bottom of the ocean, how hard is it going to be to retrieve the pieces? here with me, tim taylor a sea operations specialist. you have a lot of experience, first of all, with what we just saw rosa explaining to us? >> yes. i've actually mapped 1,800 square miles of bottom, up to 5,000 feet deep with an autonomous vehicle. >> how effective of these in locating what could be pieces of the plane? >> extremely effective but short range. >> what does that mean? >> you have to narrow the search area. you can throw these in and they cover the entire ocean. the bigger ones can get 1,500 meters on each side, maybe. so you can cover a good area, but the ocean is so big. you have to narrow it down. >> right. >> 1,800 square miles took mere 24 months. that's three seasons. weather, in fact -- actually three years to map 1,800 square miles.

>> incredible is, one piece of the plane that they're now looking at, you can see the new search area there and the old search area there, but it took a plane three minutes flying in the air just to find what they believe are two separate pieces. >> right. >> so, i mean, count three minutes. that's a lot of time, and distance, between the various pieces and the various parts. so are you hoping to find, obviously probably hoping to find a concentrated number of pieces. how realistic is that. >> it's getting harder every day, and harder every -- every minute the clock ticks. okay? you have -- you have debris want to create a plot and navigate back to where the impact was. and you have the impact zone. so you have two search areas, and what you're really looking is for the impact zone and where it sank. so that's the priority. but these clues that float are what leads you back to it. >> you were telling me something fascinating about your search for a world war ii submarine that you ultimately found 40

years after it sunk. >> right. >> and the interesting thing is that there were actually people, remain, still onboard that submarine. >> uh-huh. >> is that the expectation of what we could find, depending on how the plane -- if it did enter the sea? >> if you find a debris field -- first of all, the submarine we found is 70 years gone. >> oh, sorry. >> and from world war ii. 600 feet of water. it's been pretty much protected from any impact, until we found it. no divers, no fishermen, but the analogy we can sdrdraw is that families are -- have the same sense of loss, and they need that closure. they need a piece of the submarine, they need -- excuse me. a piece of this plane, or they need a piece of wreckage to have some idea that the plane is actually there. otherwise, they won't believe it, but if we do get back to the impact area to look for this, it's going to take a long time. we have to narrow it down.

>> i remember with twa flight 800 i spoke to a diver at that time, again, many years ago, but talking how they brought the people up one by one, carrying them up to the surface. there's that -- that's going to have to go on. >> right. >> as well. we're not just talking about pieces of the plane here. >> i would imagine, if i was involved in the search here, the history i've seen when people do this is that finding bodies is a priority. if they do find the wreckage and they do find remains, they should bring them up, and they do bring them up. unlike a submarine and world war ii. that treat that as graveyard and do not bring it up. that is a tomb and it's protected. all the work we do is under navy permit and we are extremely respectful of that, but in this flight's, down, loss of life, bringing any remains back is of most importance and they did recover a lot of bodies from the air france flight. >> it took them two full years to retrieve most of that plane.

is it possible we could be facing that kind of search length? >> easily, and, you know, this could be 70 years before they find this. i mean, it's a big ocean, and it's three weeks. and there is no impact narrowed down and there's no debris field narrowed down, and the longer it goes, it's exxpa des expadentia it. >> so much more to talk about it. we appreciate you sticking around making the show. next, our panel's final thought. how long will it take to find this plane? tim, what does that look like to you? phoenix your education is built to help move your career forward. here's how: we work with leading employers to learn what you need to learn so classes impact your career. while helping ensure credits you've already earned pay off. and we have career planning tools to keep you on track every step of the way. plus the freshman fifteen, isn't really a thing here.

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let me bring back our panel, tim taylor, robert arndt and les abend and justin green. find thoughts, gentlemen, on how long it will ultimately take to find this plane? tim, quickly. >> ah, i don't know. that's the big 64 million dollar question. if it gets in the water, it could take years. >> justin? >> if tim doesn't know, i don't know. >> all right. and les what do you think? >> there's a lot of assets out there and a lot of people in the world that really want to see it come up. i wouldn't be surprised if it's before air france. i have a lot of faith in these people. >> talking less than two years? >> my guess. >> and lessons learned from air france, too, which will help.

>> quickly, which is? >> how to narrow the focus of the search. >> dr. bob arnot, how long do be lifted or found, just to be found, this plane? >> i mean, i think it's either immediate they find all of these pieces in the water and this is the plane and, of course, the chinese have found colors that are the airplane's colors. we're hopeful here. or it's going to be years. can you asking about beingible to get this black box data. there are systems now where you can stream that information live. so they can watch these airplanes. some resistance, but the importance of it, you can see when pilots aren't performing correctly. like the asiana pilots making approaches into san francisco and correct it realtime. the opportunity to prevent a lot more accidents and, of course, to find planes like this, if you stream that black box data live and there are companies in canada that make that equipment. >> right. so at least can you do that. gentlemen, one quick question, because a lot of people are watching this and wondering,

should i be afraid? should i just go about and do what i normally do? look, i get on a plane now and i'm thinking to myself, okay. check my, you know -- my little life vest. think about what i'm going to do. >> do you do that when you get in a cab? >> i put my seat belt on. i take cabs all the time. >> it's more dangerous to take a cab in new york city than to fly. >> of course. the old lightning axiom and getting hit by lightning. besides, your operating most of the time in a radar environment where you're constantly being tracked regardless. this is a different part of the world t. is such an anomaly and, again, as we've said, there's not been this intensity in a search since amelia earhart. do you believe something like this could potentially happen again? how crucial is it that we know what happened so that we don't have another plane flying off into another ocean? actually, dr. arnot, let me ask you. go ahead. >> well, it's crucial, there has been this fire theory. of course, we know there had

been an egypt air flight with a flash fire on the ground in the cockpit. it's absolutely crucial if there were a fire if there were some catastrophe like that we know right away so that we could take the right kinds of actions. remember that swiss air flight 111 that had the fire in the cockpit. drove the crew out, sat helplessly by while the aircraft crashed. it's vital to find out. and the other gefrts saying, more dangerous getting a cab or crossing the street. i've been in the air probably a dozen or sorry hours since the crash and have absolutely no reservations given the tremendous professionalism by air crews around the world. >> all right. and clearly in the end it could be the pilot was trying to take heroic measures to try to save the people on flight, try to save this plane. it just didn't go in that direction. all right. tim taylor, justin green, les abend and bob arnot, thank you so much for joining us all. we will be back to you again in the next hour.

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former president jimmy carter says the u.s. and the world needs to take a strong position if russia invades ukraine. carter has fought for human rights around the world. his latest book is "a call to action, women, religion, violence and power." the crisis in ukraine is very much on his mind. here's what he told cnn's piers morgan. >> what would you do with vladimir putin right now if he continues to be aggressive in eastern ukraine? >> if he tries to take over eastern ukraine, then i would go to a very severe embargo stopping all trade between russia and the outside world that we can control, freezing every bank account that any russian had in the western

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hello everyone. i'm don lemon. it is the top of the hour. you are in the cnn "newsroom." in about two hours search planes are going to return to the sky in pursuit of any physical evidence from the missing malaysia airlines flight 370. and at daybreak crews will resume scouring the indian ocean. meantime, we are tracking a potentially major development here, two ships retrieved objects from the search area today. finally, after hearing the phrase possible objects repeated for weeks, we are getting our first look at actual objects that were found. i want you to take a look at

this. and i want to be very clear about it, no link exists so far, no link exists so far between the objects that we're going to show you here that you're seeing now, like this one, and the missing malaysia airliner. we're not sure yet. they're checking it. it could be sea trash. analysts are examining those objects now. and we're going to talk about that should they be touching them? how should they be handling them? what's the right protocol and procedure? there's also this development i need to tell you about as well. grieving families of passengers are enduring an emotional roller coaster. no one can imagine what they're going through right now. on monday malaysian officials told them all lives were lost, no one survived. that message really got muddled today. >> we've been hoping against hope no matter how remote. of course we are praying and we will continue our search for the possible survivors, but what they want is a commitment on our part to continue the search.

and that i have given not only on behalf of the malaysian government but of so many nations that is involved. >> so how can grieving families possibly cope with constantly shifting search areas and mixed messages from malaysian officials? well, our experts are here to weigh in. and we're going to try to get to some solution for this, at least not where the plane is but how can we figure out what's going on with the families and possibly help them? we're tracking the developments in australia and malaysia for you. the mystery of malaysia flight 370, we're going to go to will ripley stationed for us in perth, australia. will, we're just hours from daybreak. the search resuming for the day. what's the plan for sunday? it's sunday there. what's the plan? >> reporter: yeah. 4:00 in the morning on sunday here, don. in a normal day this would be a quiet time here at paerce air base. crews are already here at this

hour getting planes ready. we have seen planes take off as early as 5:00 a.m. the reason why they're leaving so early before the sun even rises is because it takes a couple hours to get to this search area and they want to maximize the time they have with daylight, good visibility. the weather's going to be good today, we don't know how it's going to be tomorrow. the forecast shows there could be some changes. today looks good for the search for this debris. eight planes in the air, seven ships are stationed in this area. they were arriving throughout the day yesterday. two of them as you mentioned a chinese ship and australian ship, they recovered objects. now there will be seven ships waiting to retrieve objects. the planes will drop down a buoy, they'll actually release it. sometimes they release a dye into the water to mark the spot. and then these ships head towards those locations, retrieve the objects. and there will be experts here in australia who in one place will be looking at all of this to determine if indeed there is any link to flight 370. as you mentioned no confirmed link as of yet, but the work will be continuing in force

today. >> i want to reiterate that with a question because as we've been -- as you have just reported, we've been reporting, the chinese crews retrieved those objects from the ocean. have you heard anything more about whether they could be connected to flight 370? >> reporter: you know, specifically the australian authorities when we asked them that very question yesterday, they said no confirmed link at this point. we just don't know. it's too soon to know because the objects are still on those ships. they need to get back to shore and in front of the experts who have the answers to that. but we know this planes for the past three weeks now have been flying and seeing a lot of debris in the indian ocean. there's a lot of debris in general in this part of the world in the ocean. it's been called a trash dump. the planes always overlooked the objects, but now we have this new search area. we have planes that are there seeing things they think at least have the potential to be connected to this investigation. are they connected? we don't know. but this is certainly more promising than what we've seen

so far in this search. >> will ripley, great job with the new information. thank you, will. we'll get back to you especially if there are any new developments. but i want to bring in our panel. jeff gardere, les abend and david jordan is a deep ocean explorer and former u.s. navy submarine officer. david, i'm going to start with you. my question is do objects retrieved today look significant to you in any way? or do they look like ocean trash? >> unfortunately, there is a tremendous amount of trash in the ocean. i've seen wrecks at 10,000 feet deep over 2,000-year-old littered with styrofoam and plastic bags, sad to say. i'm certainly not qualified to identify any of those pieces. i'm sure if the plane did crash in that area there will be many pieces of debris. important thing is to note location and time of each one so

we can have an opportunity to make some kind of estimate as to where they originated. >> les abend, the search field moved hundreds of miles yesterday based on calculations that flight 370 flew faster, burned more fuel and had a shorter flight path over the ocean. it seems to change frequently, how confident are you with these new calculations? >> well, you know, i think i'm like everybody else. i think, you know, they started off with an assumption that may have not been correct. and i'm thinking now they're refining it a little bit better. but they went with the information they had. and i think we're in a better spot now. >> and lost time in the beginning possibly searching in areas that the plane -- we don't know. >> we don't know. but the bottom line is they're in a -- they're constantly collaborating data together. and i think it's important that, you know, it's been refined. i see it as a good positive sign. >> i want to talk about the families. i want to get the quote straight, they said today they would keep searching for possible survivors no matter how

remote the odds. just days ago they told the families that no one had survived. this constant back and forth, i can't imagine one day you may have some hope, the next day you don't have any hope at least according to officials. what gives here? >> well, it's very clear that the malaysian officials, the airlines, certainly they have mucked this whole thing up. they have been giving a lot of information that has been inaccurate, inconsistent. and so these families already on an emotional rollercoaster, they're very unstable. so one minute now, you know, a few days ago you're saying, well, they're all dead. that's it. and so the families' like wait a minute, you dropped this on us like a bomb after you gave us this info. and now you say, okay, let's pray for them, miracles do happen. so this is just playing on the minds of these family members. and it's simply not fair. >> my colleague, richard quest, will say that we should not possibly -- yes, there have been mistakes made. there's no investigation is

perfect. but maybe we should not be so hard -- i'm paraphrasing, i don't want to put words in his mouth. but maybe weshtd not be so hard on malaysian airlines and malaysian officials because they're going about this the best way they can. this is something new for just about everyone. even if this was an investigation in the united states we're not sure it would be handled properly as well. >> i would say this, quest means business. gardere means psychology. >> right. >> they should have had a psychological expert working with them as to what is happening with the mental status of these family members. and what is the best way to support them, help them through the grieving process if they can even get there. a lot of mistakes have been made. yes, you don't want to point fingers. >> the text message. >> the text messages, all of those issues. >> okay. >> it's just too much on these families. >> they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. you're shaking your head. >> absolutely. this is overwhelming stuff for everybody. >> stick around, we're going to talk a lot here on cnn. families are finding it tough fo

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welcome back everyone. you're watching cnn's special coverage of the disappearance of flight 370. i want to update you. there are several key developments. chinese crews have found several objects, not sure if they are connected to flight 370. they have found it in the southern indian ocean. you're looking at that video that came into cnn just a short time ago. and the objects appear to be in the colors they say of malaysia airlines. again, not exactly sure if it's those objects. once they get to them, they throw color in the water, they cast dye in the water and they

also buoys, locator buoys. and then the chinese inflatable boats will go out and try to retrieve some of this material. we have video of them -- actually those are the boats right there. we have video of them actually retrieving some of the material. you can't really make out what it is. it looks like a net fishing for it right there. in one instance it looks like a net-type thing they have pulled out of the water and another instance looks like something on paper. the big concern here is are those crews, are they trained? that's the material right there i'm talking about. are they trained to handle this material properly as they pull it out of the ocean? there was some concern by some of our analysts today that they may be touching these objects and therefore compromising the integrity of the investigation by handling these objects. we have been told they should handle them with care and they should not have any sort of fingerprints, dna or what have you on these particular objects. we have also been focusing on the families that have gotten mixed messages from malaysia

airlines and from the malaysian government, really from the airlines. at one point last week sending out text messages saying all hope had been lost and believe everyone on board the plane had died that had gone down in the southern indian ocean. and now saying they will do everything they can to continue to look for survivors. they have not given up yet and they have hope against hope. it's really, really just horrible for these families. you can't imagine the grief and pain they're going through. as we said earlier it's sort of a flip-flop of emotions. i want to bring in jeff gardere and david jourdan. day 23, the families are being told "we are praying and continue our search for possible survivors." there are some big ramifications for this. and your concern for the families is not through any fault of their own that -- >> that they are becoming even more emotionally unstable or even delusional. we know now that their family members who have placards, who have signs, they're demonstrating and saying that

their loved ones, their sons, their daughters are still alive being held some place in a secretive place. for their sake i hope it's true, but i think as we're using common sense with this the more and more this becomes a cold case, if you will, the less the chances that there are survivors. i'm just afraid the emotional let down if they find out in fact everyone is dead or there are very few survivors. these people are going to have severe emotional burnout, severe emotional breakdowns. and i think a lot of it is not just because of the inconsistent messages they've been getting, but also the way the information has been delivered, the way they've been treated. and i think the lack of expertise in dealing with the mental health of these family members. >> uh-huh. and also i want to talk to mr. jourdan, david jourdan, you have some experience in dealing with catastrophes with families like this. you heard what jeff gardere said, he's concerned the

families are becoming more unstable and possibly delusional. not to say anything about the families, understandably they are under really high stress and high pressure situation right here. >> absolutely. this is reminiscent of the mystery of the israeli submarine with 69 sailors on board. for 30 years they searched for that ship before we found it in 1999. during that whole time there were family members that still believed their loved one might be alive say in a prison in egypt. there was rumors of conspiracies, complicity between israel and egypt over this. crazy things. and it's very reminiscent about the tragedy of the moment leads to this tremendous outpouring of emotion and hope false or otherwise. and the government also had to deal with this sort of thing.

and, you know, i'm sure they had the same kind of challenges. even for decades the emotions persisted. and the minute that we found the submarine and could verify what happened and confirm that the fate of their loved ones, it was a sense of joy. it's hard to imagine these families feeling that at this point, but after so long that closure is so important. they said that their lives began again after the closure was there for them. but no one can provide that at this time. the government or no one else. we just don't know. >> i want to go quickly to dr. jeff gardere because i think that's an important point. they have no finality right now. >> that's right. >> there's no finality. and the question is you said they're possibly becoming, you know, more emotionally unstable. i spoke with someone last night, his wife is on the plane. and he says for him the best thing -- and he believes maybe even for other people, is to get

back to his life, to get back to some normalcy. he is not in the search area. he's not in the area where the plane originated from, he's not in kuala lumpur, he's not in perth. he wants his daughter to go back to college, i want the mother, my wife, to see us getting back to normal. but is that a strong reality check? >> it depends on the individual. and i think for this individual, he's not the only one. there have been others who said we're going to get back to our normal routines. but the whole irony here is you have grief counselors, but how do you even begin the grief? and just imagine the guilt that that individual is feeling who says he wants to get back to his normal life. >> that he's abandoned his loved ones. >> even though it's the healthiest outcome for him, he's going to have to live with that guilt for some time to come. >> betrayal. and betrayal is one of the worst emotions. thank you. we appreciate it. we're going to talk more about this. obviously this is our special coverage of missing flight 370. and the families of the passengers on that flight aren't the only ones who feel malaysian

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developments are coming in at every moment for flight 370. this is just-in from the australian maritime safety

authority. we told you at the top of the hour the search is going to resume. maritime authority just released a statement saying search activities for malaysia airlines flight 370 will continue today weather permitting in an area about 180 kilometers east of perth, about 1100 miles there. the zernl will continue to focus on that area that's about 319,000 square kilometers based on the refined analysis by the international air crash investigators. remember, they moved the search area a little bit further up closer to land and waters that are not as bad and with not as much wind and not as many waves. so they're going to do that 319,000 square kilometers is about 198,000 square miles. ten planes are planned to be involved in today's search. that first aircraft, chinese people's liberation army air force il 76 due to depart at 0900 which is 6:00 p.m. eastern time. again, they're going out now weather permitting and we should

be seeing something very soon during these hours here on cnn if we get more information. of course we're going to bring that to you as soon as the planes get in the air and update you on the new debris they have found just today. new objects i should say. not sure if it's connected to that flight. in the meantime some families of passengers believe malaysian government has lied to them. earlier this week the prime minister declared the flight ended in the southern indian ocean and no one survived. some aviation experts say malaysia's performance has been incompetent. nic roberts is tracing the missteps that began even before malaysia flight 370 took off. >> three weeks ago these two iranians traveling on stolen passports triggered interpol's investigation of flight 370's passengers. now in a statement surprising for its frankness the

international law enforcers are em basting malaysian officials for lax controls. the truth is that in 2014 prior to the tragic disappearance of malaysian flight mh-370, malaysian immigration department did not conduct a single check of passengers' passports against interpol's database. the agency said in a statement, and they are not alone in their criticism. >> the idea that somehow governments don't want to quarry the interpol databases because it takes too long is frankly absurd. >> opposition politicians here are also heaping on their criticism. >> it's quite clear by the impression given earl y by the government that it's not practical, takes too long to check a database is obviously not an acceptable answer. >> reporter: it comes as malaysia's government is increasingly taking heat for their entire investigation.

>> i don't think we have done anything different from what we've already done. and i think, like i said in our earlier press conference, no matter what has been thrown and labeled at us, history will judge us as a country that has been very responsible. >> reporter: but still there are unanswered questions, a lot of them. for instance, the transport minister wouldn't disclose the altitude of flight 370 over the last six hours. despite acknowledging it flew faster earlier in the flight. key because it could indicate if someone was in control of the flight. and while the australian government said it was immediately shifting the search location based on the new speed data, the malaysian government spokesman said it would continue to review all satellite imagery, especially debris identified by

french and thai satellites spotted hundreds of miles away. >> the malaysian government is incompetent to handle this investigation. and so you have to ask when any of this information comes out what's the factual basis behind it? >> reporter: one former malaysian airlines executive told cnn while he is proud of malaysia and proud of the airline, the investigation is tarnishing the country's image and could have and should have been handled in a much clearer way. nic robertson, cnn, kuala lumpur, malaysia. >> nic, thank you very much. make sure you join cnn tonight. at 6:30 eastern for flight dwt "370 the final hours" it's a half-hour special that takes a detailed look into what we know about the flight's last hours. my colleague kyra phillips is hosting that. tempers are rising among the

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[ male announcer ] that moment when it all comes together. that's your moment of trulia. lots to report as they begin the search on a new day of the search planes and ships covered as much of the search area as they could today, but still they came up with nothing conclusive. one chinese navy ship scooped up some objects floating in the water. there's a look at those objects right there. no word yet on what those things are or if they're part of the airliner that vanished more than three weeks ago. can you believe it's been three weeks? unbelievable. in china though passing time is just making the grief and anger deeper for relatives of the missing passengers. many of them furious that the malaysian government declared the airplane lost without any physical evidence. and in malaysia today the country where that mystery flight originated the acting transportation minister met with some family members telling them his government will continue the

search telling them if there's even a remote chance of a survivor. cnn's sara sidner in kuala lumpur right now. i want you to tell us anything more. we're having a little bit of problem with sara. we'll get to her in just a little bit. as soon as we get the technical issues we're having fixed. now, why don't we talk to mary schiavo, the former u.s. department transportation official, also ocean explorer david jourdan and jeff gardere. mary, you have seen the pictures of the objects out there. what does that tell you? we're saying that it's objects. it is possible though that it is plane debris. we just don't know at this point. >> right. and it's too impossible to say. i couldn't say whether it was or wasn't. it doesn't strike me right off the bat as anything, but when they get it to perth and the experts there will examine it, you know, they'll have a better idea. it's just hard to get an idea from the screen.

but hopefully the number of items will increase as the days go on. >> okay. mary, i want to talk to you about this because according to our correspondent will ripley in perth he's saying there are now ten planes and ten ships. is that added resources? >> that's a few more. i think they had eight planes and that's more ships. but, yes, certainly that is more. and that's good because i thought that there were too few to cover the vast amount of area -- vast amount of ocean that they have to cover. i think more is better. i heard one gentleman say earlier today that, you know, it's going to get close quarters and they'll run into each other. no, not in that space they won't. and it's pretty easy with today's communications and avionics to be -- i don't think there's any danger of them running into each other.

frankly, i think they could use a few more ships because once they start getting things, it's harder than people think. spot it in the water and go to get it and it floats away. harder to get it on board than people might think. >> david and jeff, i'm going to get you in a moment. i didn't have mary at the top of the show. remember our conversation last night we were talking to david mayors who said, listen, if they were working 24 hours a day nonstop it would take at least 680 days, he believes, to find something. he said possibly two years. and not to dash any hopes here, but maybe we are a little bit anxious about finding debris. you said the average investigation and to find debris from planes and black boxes and so forth is about 3.5 years. are we getting ahead of ourselves here? >> well, that's the average. not to find it, that's the average investigation and case. it takes about three and a half years. this is a long time though finding the actual crash location. that is true. but it can take a very long time to bring in all the debris.

and then once they find the crash location it takes longer than that even on the search for human remains because you have to be so respectful and so careful, as one should be. so the whole thing from the crash through the investigation, through the conclusions, through the hearings about three and a half years. so it's a long way before the families will ever be done with the investigation and the case. but it still this is now three weeks before they have even found the crash location, that's a long time. >> okay. mary, standby. everyone standby because we have our will ripley up who is our correspondent there in perth, australia right now. will, thank you for alerting us of new information. i read the information from the australian maritime safety authority they said ten planes are said to be involved. but you said there's increase in asset and you have new information for us. what do you have? >> reporter: yeah, this news is mixed, don, because as you mentioned there are more assets moving into this area as we speak. we will have ten planes in the area and also a total of ten

ships by the end of the day today. four in place right now, six are on their way getting close tore this area. that's the good news. ten planes and ten ships searching this area, looking for objects and retrieving them. here's the bad news, weather conditions have changed. the forecast has changed. and they are now expected to deteriorate. the weather is expected to get worse throughout the day today. i flew over this part of the indian ocean in a p-3 last week. and i can tell you from personal experience you can have great visibility one moment and then literally snap your fingers, you look outside and there are low clouds, rains coming down, the waves get bigger. and it's hard to see anything. and if there is any sort of current change, this obviously affects the ship's ability to see the objects and retrieve them. it could also move the objects around that are spotted by these planes. so a sense of urgency, planes will be taking off within the next hour or so, hour and a half or so. the first wave will start going out over this area. they want to try to take advantage of the clear weather while they can because the search will continue even though

the weather conditions are expected to deteriorate. but we saw what can happen. sometimes they have to stop mid flight if things get too dangerous. we're certainly hoping that doesn't happen today. >> will, quickly, i want to get back to the panel, but why this increase in resource there is? is this a natural progression? or was there some reason they added more? >> reporter: we're seeing more countries take part including now the addition of the malaysian air force. they're actually bringing in some planes. we saw them at subong air base in kuala lumpur. now those planes are down here in perth. the heart of the search operation. it's good to see malaysia adding their resources into the mix. this truly is an international effort, so many different countries. china of course spearheading this in many ways in the sense that they have the greatest number of assets, the greatest number of ships, a lot of planes. they're leaving earlier often and searching for longer than some of the other countries. you can understand why, they have so much invested with more than two-thirds of the passengers on flight 370 being chinese. >> right. >> reporter: so it's an

international effort and that's why we're seeing more planes. >> all right. thank you. will, we appreciate it. get back to you when we have more information. we'll see will throughout the evening on cnn. david jourdan, what do you make of this? more countries taking part, more mixed news, more assets devoted to the search, but the weather is providing a problem as we have seen throughout the search. >> well, thewet ser two problems. one is obviously the difficulty they're having in searching for anything. but once they locate this debris, and if they can identify it and we can know where they found it and the time they found it, now we have a problem of figuring out where it originated. and that depends on the weather, not just right now but the weather that has been occurring since the time of the crash. that's not just the winds but also the sea currents. and most people may be surprised to know that we know almost nothing about the sea currents in this area. just gross computer models, large-scale currents but no individual area currents.

so that will make it also a very difficult problem. >> still though mixed news for the families once again. the ying and the yang we have here. >> absolutely. at this point the family members are hoping that whatever's found in the water most of them is not actual debris from that plane because now they really, many of them, believe that their family members may still be alive. and many of us think that is false hope at this point. >> thanks to my panel. thanks to will ripley. we'll get back to all of you in a little bit. it's called an auv and could be the technology that makes a difference in the search for the flight of 370. rosa flores will join us next with the unmanned underwater probe that could be used to look for objects deep on the ocean floor. save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. everybody knows that. well, did you know pinocchio was a bad motivational speaker? i look around this room and i see nothing but untapped potential.

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back now with our special coverage of the mystery of flight 370 on cnn. when a likely crash site for malaysia airlines flight 370 is identified, once it is identified the next step will be to send sophisticated pieces under water of underwater equipment to the ocean bottom. rosa flores joins me now to explain how one of these machines could help map the debris field. >> i'm going to talk about an auv autonomous underwater vehicle. it looks like a probe, kind of like a missile. but what this does is it uses eye scan technology to map the ocean floor. that's kind of what you're

looking at right now. and what it does is it looks for oddities in the ocean floor, don. so it goes through and in a grid pattern goes back and forth. now, there are crew members in a control room that program this particular probe and tell it what to do, where to go. so in the case of mh-370 once that debris field is narrowed then it would look through that debris field. now, what we're looking at right now is an actual deployment by a dock. you'll see that it's launched into the water. and in this particular case it will float. it will stay there. at that point in time would be when the people in the control room would program this probe. now, here's one of the very important things about this. information comes back in realtime, don. we know that in the case of mh-370 time is of the essence. >> right. >> we need information realtime. so as soon as this probe would be launched into the water -- now, this one is owned by cnc

technologies, but in the indian ocean then they'd start getting a realtime map of the ocean floor. now, once that probe does what it's supposed to do and goes through its particular mission, it comes back, it's plugged into a computer and then a high resolution picture of the ocean floor. >> all of the images. okay, great. >> correct. and it's also equipped with a still camera. so it would be able to take pictures. now, here's the other very important thing. so as it's looking at the ocean floor, it's going to be marking anything that looks like something that's not natural for the ocean bottom. so for example wreckage. it will mark that. a professional that's on the boat in the control room then looks at it and can reprogram this particular probe to go back and maybe take a still picture of what that is. >> right. >> in the case of mh-370 it would be looking for the wreckage. >> be very helpful. thank you. great information rosa flores. tlgs also another big story we're following today, that deadly mudslide in washington state.

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welcome back everyone. we're tracking dramatic twists in the hunt for malaysia airlines flight 370. earlier ships retrieved some objects from the search area. right now those objects are being analyzed. search planes will return to the skies in just over an hour.

and we're going to continue our coverage of the search for the missing plane. but right now we want to get you caught up on other major stories that are happening. first up, it has been a week since a deadly landslide slithered down a hill in rural washington state. cascades of mud demolished the snohomish county towns of oso and darlington. and this morning at 10:37, the exact time the slide hit, people stopped for a moment of silence to remember the 17 victims confirmed dead. officials say that number is going to rise because there are many still unaccounted for. our dan simon is in arlington, washington, right now. dan, how meticulous is this search? have rescuers found any more victims? >> reporter: well, don, first of all this is no surprise. but unfortunately we're dealing with typical weather for this region. it's rainy, and it's cold. and it's just making things miserable for folks out there in the field trying to recover these bodies. now, the people in the field they also observed this moment of silence at 10:37 a.m.

and then they went about their work. it's really tough going for these people who are there around the clock. and i'm told that the rain is just making things all that much more difficult. even one seasoned fire commander told us that now we're a week since the event, he still can't fathom all the devastation that he's seen. take a look. >> what you have out here is you have houses that have been picked up and like run through a blender and dropped on the ground. then you have another house that the cars are still parked in the garage. the house is been pushed all the way across. it's not livable, but it's still somewhat in tact. so you have everything out here. so we've had to go piece by piece through the debris piles and also piece by piece through each house to make sure we look for everything that we can find. >> reporter: right now, don, i'm told there are about 100 people working through the debris trying to recover bodies. i'm also today that cadaver dogs are being brought in today to

also help. and that's going to be a crucial component in trying to recover more victims as things stand now the death toll officially is at 17, as you said. but we know that that number is going to continue to rise. a press briefing is expected to occur in a few hours. and hopefully we'll get some updated numbers. don. >> weather conditions, can you talk more about the weather conditions? we hear there's lots of noise going on behind you. i'm not exactly sure what that is, but talk to us about the weather conditions. geologists are monitoring another potential landslide and they want to protect those teams. >> reporter: well, first of all, the noise i think somebody is doing some target shooting just off in the distance. but as far as the weather is concerned it is a big concern. and you have actually some instruments that have been placed in the ground by some of the fire crews to actually monitor any movement that may occur. obviously they don't want to put themselves in harm's way, so they're basically watching

things around the clock. they feel like they got a handle on it now in terms of being there. they feel like they're safe. and if there is sort of anymore movement with the earth, they have contingency plans to evacuate, don. >> dan simon, dan, thank you very much. stay safe out there, dan. we appreciate you. we'll get back to you throughout the evening here on cnn. back now to missing flight 370. even if debris in the ocean is linked to the jet, there are still so many unanswered questions about why the plane went down. but families of passengers are learning or leaning -- learning more about a way they can eventually find out what happened aboard that plane. we're going to tell you about that next.

here's a question for you, do the passengers of flight 370 try to send texts, e-mails or any kind of messages before the

plane went down? that's a crucial question for families and investigators. those might help determine what happened in the plane's final moments. here's ted rowlands. >> paul weeks left his wife and two sons at home in australia to start a new job and boarded malaysia airlines flight 370. now his family and others are left wondering if their loved ones tried to use their cell phones to send a message before the plane went missing. but so many questions still unanswered, texts and e-mails could provide crucial details about what happened to flight 370, and all of that information could possibly still be retrieved. >> absolutely. i'm sure there's text messages. i'm sure there's drafts of e-mails. i'm sure there's video testimonials that people made. >> reporter: chad gough is a partner at for discovery. he says even after several weeks or months in the ocean, unsent texts, e-mails and videos can

still be retrieved from electronic devices. >> it's a matter of finding the devices, determining what kind of damage was associated with them and handling them properly. >> reporter: handling them properly is the key, just like retrieving a flight data recorder, a cell phone or computer would have to be kept in water until it's ready to be analyzed. even if a device has been smashed, as long as the data cards are in tact, the information is still there. >> it's getting them out of the salt water but actually keeping them wet and putting them in special solution that would dissolve the minerals that are in there, dissolve the salt and clean off the components. >> reporter: finding the devices will likely be the most difficult part of the equation. it took two years to locate the flight recorders off the bottom of the atlantic ocean from air france flight 447 which crashed in 2009. no cell phones were recovered. but if flight 370 wreckage is found over the next few months,

passenger texts, e-mails and videos could possibly help solve the mystery of what happened on board while also providing some grieving families a final message from a loved one. ted rowlands, cnn, chicago. top of the hour everyone. thanks for joining us. i'm don lemon. let's get right to it. this hour search planes will return to the sky in pursuit of any physical evidence from the missing malaysia airlines flight 370. at daybreak crews will resume scouring the indian ocean. ten planes will be involved in that search with the weather expected to worsen with light showers and low clouds. meantime we're tracking any potential major development for you. another one here, ships retrieved objects, here it is, from the search area today. finally, after hearing the phrase possible objects repeated for weeks, we're getting our first look at actual objects that were found. i want you to look at this. and just to be clear here, no link exists so far between the

objects that we're going to show you throughout the evening here on cnn. like this one. there's no link between these objects and the missing malaysia airliner. it could be sea trash for all we know, but analysts are examining the objects now. and as soon as we know something we'll let you know. and then we also have this of course, the grieving families of passengers are enduring an emotional roller coaster. on monday malaysian officials told them all lives were lost, no one survived. that message got muddled today. >> and the best we can do is pray and that we must be sensitive to them that as long as there is even a remote chance of survival, we will pray and do whatever it takes. >> so how can grieving families cope with constantly shifting search areas and mixed messages from malaysian officials? our experts are here to weigh-in. and we have reporters tracking the developments as well in australia and malaysia for you. we're going to begin with cnn's will ripley live in perth, australia. of course that's where the search is going on. it's starting from there.

so, will, we're just hours away from daybreak, really just about an hour, and the search is resuming very soon. what's the plan for the search teams today? and also there's new information, correct? >> reporter: a quiet time in western australia, but this is a very busy time here at this air base where flight crews as we speak are arriving getting their planes ready to take off within the hour the first flights will be heading out to that search area. it takes a couple of hours to get there, which is why the flights are leaving even before the sun rise. they want to maximize daylight and good weather. weather conditions will change today, visibility will be dropping, we're expecting rain and clouds to move in. that's going to hamper the search efforts potentially. so ten planes in the air today, a total of ten ships will be in place by the end of the day today. and here's how it works. the planes, they look for objects. they spot them, they drop a buoy, they mark the spot and then report that location to these ships which then try to get to the area, recover the

objects, bring them on board. and that's when the real work begins when investigators take a very close look at these to try to determine if there's any link to flight 370. these are much more than objects for the families of the 239 people on board that flight. these are the potential to bring some finally much-needed closure. search planes are spotting more objects in the indian ocean, but we still don't know if any of them are from malaysia airlines flight 370. >> the position has been recorded. they've dropped drift buoys in the area to try and get an assessment of what the drift is doing for those objects. >> reporter: more ships are moving into the search area. their mission, find the objects, bring them on board and determine if they're sea trash or jetliner debris. >> translator: they're all still alive. my son and everyone on board. the plane is still there too. >> reporter: three weeks into the search families of the 239 people on flight 370 are holding onto any sliver of hope.

even after its own prime minister announced there are no survivo survivors, malaysia's flight told them different. >> we must pray and be sensitive to them that as long as there is even a remote chance of a survival, we will pray and do whatever it takes. >> reporter: changing weather could limit the search in the coming days. so crews are doing everything they can to hunt for clues in the vast indian ocean, clues that could finally bring answers. heartbreaking to know what these families are going through right now. an impossible situation of not really being able to say good-bye because they don't have answers. they don't have anything tangible to prove what happened to flight 370. that's why this search is taking on new urgency today, don. >> thank you very much, will ripley, perth, australia. joining me now mary schiavo, michael cay, pilot and retired lieutenant general, christine

dennison and expeditions expert. mary, start with you. the report about the new objects found, what do you make of it? >> well, it's encouraging. you can't tell whether they're from a plane or not, but the experts in perth and wherever they're going to send them to be analyzes and i believe they're amassing the experts in perth, will be able to tell and analyze. most of the parts approved by the federal aviation administration because it's a boeing so it's subject to faa regulation. so most have unique serial numbers, they have approved part numbers. there are things that go on airplanes, and they really don't occur anywhere else. an airplane seat has special flammability and g-force ratings. so if we find this wreckage and it looks like parts from a plane, it will likely be parts from a plane. now, these don't look like it yet, but if they find things it's not like an aircraft seat could also be used on a boat. no way. so they'll know pretty certainly. >> christine, you heard what she said. it doesn't look like it so far,

but if and when debris is found if it's found from the plane, it could be miles away from the central crash site, right? that's just the beginning. >> at this point we still have all the currents that have been moving this debris around for over three weeks. and so the point of impact is still it could be thousands of miles away. >> did you get any sense, michael kay, they returned to the skies today so they're going to do it in about an hour, you saw the additional assets they are adding to this because more countries are getting involved, just earlier mary schiavo said she thought more assets should be sent to look for these objects as well. does that offer more hope that something will be found sooner, you believe? >> yeah. i don't believe it's for that, i think the area's been saturated with assets because we're really up against a timeline now. the timeline being the 30 days since the black boxes are lost and the gps pings coming off the black boxes as already been reported one of the key ways trying to locate those in the air is through two types, active and passive. the passive will be listening for the pings and the active

will be sending energy into the water to get any sort of indication of debris in the water. that will be absolutely key. what's driving that timeline is the weather. you can have all the airplanes in the world up there, all the satellites looking down at that area. if you've got a low cloud base, if you've got drizzle, rain, visibilities come right into five kilometers, it's going to make it impossible. and every day that goes by is a day those batteries will be running out. >> you know, our reporter there said, you know, rain. because they had expected good weather, but the weather doesn't seem to be cooperating today with that. listen, i spoke to an expert last night who has conducted many investigations into airline disasters. and he says he believes that the time is up for those pingers. >> again, it's very hard to quantify. i mean, if the pingers were actually damaged during the impact of the aircraft on the water, then it might be a lost cause already. but we don't know that. and you have to keep going to what you know. what we know at the moment is

those gps on the black box have a 31-day life. we have to work to that timeline unless we know information that tells us otherwise. >> mary, let's talk about the mechanics of the search itself. a lot of room for human error and fatigue to enter into this search process, right? and as you look at that video you see people handling -- some of the people handling some of the objects. talk to me about that. >> well, that's the way you get them out of the water. i mean, there are onboard cranes and claws and nets and things to grab them with. but a lot of times it's hands grabbing the objects and pulling them overboard. once you can get them either with a hook or with a, like i said, cranes, nets, et cetera, at some point you have to grab them and haul them over. it's the nature of search and rescue teams. they're going to want to get this stuff. i bet they were very pleased that they could start bringing items on their ships. that's what they live to do. and they're usually so driven and energetic about their jobs, i bet it didn't occur to them that, well, maybe this stuff has

chemicals or isn't clean. they were probably just so anxious to try to help because that's just the way they are. >> yeah. listen, there's a lesson in it for us about just how much debris is in the water because this could just be trash in the ocean. >> it could just be trash. and that's the unfortunate part is there's so much garbage in this area of the ocean. and it's just swirling around, as we say, with the gyre and the currents. we have yet to see, but agree with michael, i think we have to be hopeful. >> i want you to stick around because we have a lot more questions we need to discuss straight ahead here on cnn. coming up, what's the physical and mental toll on these grieving families? our psychologist jeff gardere is here with us. and next, crews set out to search for the jet day 23 of the hunt for the flight 370. what could these new objects tell authorities about what to look for? lots going on. stay right there. [ male announcer ] every day, your mouth is building up

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the hour. visual spotters on search planes are trained to constantly move their eyes in specific patterns while trying to spot possible objects. the monotony of the ocean though can do strange things to the human eye. i want to bring in our panel back in. christine, you're an oceanographer. i've heard seaweed in the area bright orange, it could easily be confused with possible orange plane debris. what other items can confuse the spotters? >> there's a lot. there's plastic that's going to be floating, plastic does not sink so you'll have a lot of plastic. again, rope that's just been there for eons and debris floating around the south indian ocean. it's confusing for them, but i do think they are making headway. i'm not sure we're being told these objects are not from the plane, but it may lead to something else. we're not sure. >> mary, weather may deteriorate today with showers and clouds. and i thought this new search area though better weather than the old search area, but it

doesn't appear to be working out at least not initially. >> no. and all of the delays will, you know, with this statement by the malaysian gentleman about, you know, giving the families hope, the delays will actually kind of work on the families' minds too. after september 11 there were a number of conspiracy theories and a french author came up with the theory that the planes had been emptied and the passengers were actually being held in canada somewhere. and i had one of my clients say something to me who lost her son in one of the planes in the world trade center and hadn't gotten any remains. she said, you know, my head knows it's so. my brain knows that he's gone, but my heart wishes to prove it wasn't so. and so all of these delays will get the passengers -- or families of the passengers hoping. my heart just breaks for them because that's the problem with the delay above all else. >> yeah. we have to remember that 239 families, at least, are dealing with this. go ahead michael kay.

>> i was going to say i've conducted quite a few search operations now over water both in fantastic weather conditions and also very inclement weather conditions. it's not just about the weather, it's about the lighting. depending on what type of light you have will depend on how flat or bright the actual conditions are. so when you're actually looking at the ocean, if it's a bright day with no cloud cover, there's possibly a good chance you might get a glint of something in the sea. >> and look at that, that's the weather satellite in that area. >> yeah. >> it doesn't look promising. >> well, as you can see it's sort of coming up from the southwest. but, again, you know, the pilots will be looking at absolutely everything. and the weather, i can't emphasize how important having good conditions is. you can have all the technology in the world, but mother nature still has the upper hand. >> you want to talk about the families as well. mary mentioned the families with all these delays, really providing them more anguish. >> it's absolutely heartbreaking. i work with families that have been waiting 70 years for answers. the important thing is they need

to be kept abreast of what they're doing. i think so many of these families have no idea what the procedure is for the deployment -- the resources that they're using. and they need to be brought up to speed before we, the public, know. they need to sit with these families and explain to them this is what we're doing, this is the next step. we will keep you informed of everything as we go along. just so they have an understanding of a timeline. i think they're just lost at this point in this information, misinformation. >> we'll talk more about the families as well and what can possibly be done to help in this situation. maybe not a lot, but in some ways there may be some encouragement for the families. okay, stick with us. we're going to continue our discussion coming up. coming up as well, families as we said of flight 370 passengers making a statement about their frustration with malaysian officials. they got up and walked out of a briefing as a show of solidarity and anger. what is the physical and mental toll these families are dealing with? and should they continue holding out hope? psychologist jeff gardere is

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for the loved ones of the 239 people aboard malaysia airlines flight 370, the biggest challenge could be grieving for someone whose final resting place may never be found. our paula hancock sat down with the husband of the flight attendant on flight 370. he still speaks of her in the present tense. >> i promised them i'm going to bring her home. but i really don't know where is she now.

and now i'm not sure whether i can bring her home. >> it's just heartbreaking. i want to bring in jeff gardere now, psychologist. it is heartbreaking to hear that. i'm not sure what we could offer the family to give them hope, but is there anything -- how can they cope with this? >> one of the things that the malaysian officials did, which was right, was to talk to them about their spiritual and religious beliefs. this is where you have to give it to a power greater than yourself because there are no answers. this poor man, the way that he's grieving like many of the family members at this point, it really is about holding onto hope as much as you can. but, don, one of the things that the family members have said until they find the bodies, if they find bodies, they can't really begin the grieving process. so this is something that is so horrible for them because they

really are stuck in between a rock and a hard place these family members. >> we don't know. we don't know. they're looking at objects. >> uh-huh. >> they're using mathematical calculations to determine in their estimation what happened to the plane, where it went down. >> uh-huh. >> but some family members say they believe the relatives are still alive. is that healthy? >> it's a coping mechanism for them right now. in some ways, and it's not putting them down or making any clinical judgments, it's what we call denial. the denial is this goes on day after day that there are no bodies that may be found. and let's face it, no one is putting any resources right now into looking for a hijacked plane in some, you know, some remote country or some remote place. so they're not -- i think the experts are not really thinking that there is a hijacking where now the plane is resting some place else undercover. it is about the plane being crashed or has crashed. and so for these family members all they can do is hold onto

that slightest hope that their family members are alive. that's all they can do. that's their defense mechanism right now. >> when people sit down or step in front of cameras, they want their voices heard. >> uh-huh. >> they want their -- not only voices heard, but they want some answers, right? >> that's right. >> we heard from a flight attendant -- that same flight attendant's husband says he gets most of his information from tv and not authorities. and that's because there's no free press there. >> that's right. >> and it's important to keep pressure on the government and to find answers. they're looking at us for answers. >> that's right. they are trying to get as much information as possible. they're not getting it in the way that they want to from the malaysian government at this particular time. even the chinese government are saying, listen, we want more information, consistent information. how do you know all these people died when you made that announcement without the

credible proof? that's number one. number two, the families want to be heard. this is their way of -- >> this is why this woman stepped in front of the cameras, to make a plea. >> exactly. >> and again, saying we are watching the coverage. it's interesting because there are people sort of damned if we do, damned if we don't. but we must report on this and the families want us to report on this. and they are looking 24 hours at the coverage. >> i think the most respectful thing we can do now is to let people know how these families are grieving, how they're coping in their own way. and they want to be heard because they're very upset that they're on this roller coaster ride, that they're not getting the proper information. and in their own way it's their ka thol ses screaming, crying to the world but it's a very healthy thing. they are experiencing a pain that most of us will never, thank goodness, have to know.

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search crews looking for pieces of that missing aircraft in the indian ocean and at the same time there is a fight going on between the malaysian government and the international law enforcement. remember, one of the first leads in the investigation when it was discovered that a couple of people boarded the flight with stolen passports, remember that? well, interpol not happy with

that. our justice reporter evan perez following that story for us today. evan, what's this all about? >> don, this is a very unusual situation where you have interpol publicly in a fight essentially with the malaysian authorities. the malaysian home minister this week went on the floor of parliament there and said that one reason why they did the malaysian authorities don't check against interpol's database of lost passports is that it might slow down processing of passengers, that it might take too long. and so interpol has now responded. and they've basically are saying that that's just not true. they say the checks take less than a second. and they say, you know, before this flight disappeared malaysian authorities had never even once checked against the 40 million entries on the interpol database. again, this is not usually an organization that speaks so bluntly. they're usually doing very diplomatic speakers, as you

know. so it's very unusual for you to see them push back. the reason for that is they want countries to be checking against these databases. they say the united states, for instance, checks this database 230 million times a year. the uk, 140 million times. the united arab emirates 100 million. even singapore, malaysia's neighbor, 29 million. so they want more countries to do these checks to prevent people from getting on airplanes that shouldn't be there. >> evan, talk to me about the fbi. what's their role in this investigation? they have been going over the pilot's personal flight simulator and his home computers. what have they found if anything? >> well, the checks are still going. they've been providing information anything they've discovered on the hard drives back to the malaysians. today, we can report a little new information that just came in to us. sources told me that if you recall there was some data that they found was deleted from the captain's hard drive. and now the fbi's been able to

through its forensics teams has been able to recover some of that information. it doesn't really show any new clues as to what exactly happened with flight 370. but what they believe it shows is that, you know, this was not nefarious. it appears to have been overwritten data which is sometimes routine on these computers. they don't think it shows this pilot was trying to hide tracks or anything like that. again, leaves us with still more questions, don, at this point. >> all right, evan perez, thank you. appreciate your reporting. mary schiavo, michael kay and sea specialist timothy taylor. thank you all for joining us. timothy, now that some actual objects have been fished from the ocean, how long will it take to know if they're from this missing plane? >> well, i mean, that's up to the team that's studying it. it could be baggage from people on the flight, could be any item associated with the plane. so who knows. and it also could blend as

trash. >> so determining on what it is depends on what it is. >> that's still a long shot. they need to find a definitive piece of this plane, . >> mary schiavo, malaysia still doesn't run passports through the interpol database. you heard evan perez reporting there. what do you make of that? >> well, i've heard that excuse before that would slow down the airlines, it would slow down the passengers. and, you know, our united states was guilty of that too before 9/11 and before we had, you know, the terrible loss from terrorism. we didn't want to do anything to slow down passengers, but the reality is now with all these computer databases, it is very fast. so all the passengers -- we have the world's -- we have the majority of the world's passengers on u.s. carriers. and we are able to do that now. and it's just a matter of key strokes on a computer to check. so there's really no excuse. ask they're not only endangering their own citizens, once on a plane as this flight has shown,

that aircraft can be, you know, flown anywhere or can have a problem and be directed anywhere. so it now just endangers malaysians but can be a danger to the whole world. >> michael kay, talk about the pilot simulator. do you think that will eventually be a dead end? do you think they're going to get anything from there? >> i never thought it was a particularly good lead in the first place, don. i thought the guy was a training captain pilot. he was obviously a bit of an aviation geek. i don't think it's -- i don't think it's odd that he would have a simulator in his apartment. i don't think it's the norm. i've got a lot of friends who fly for some of the major carriers and they don't have simulators in their apartment, but i don't think it's odd he did. i also think that the computers that he would have been using will have only had a certain amount of hard drive storage space. so if he's looking to practice sort of various emergencies and landing a different airstrip, he's going to have to keep swapping it out because there's only so much information on the hard drive. again, i think there are logical explanations as to why there was a simulator in the training

captain's apartment. >> every possibility's being looked into. so it's to say no information, no proof, nothing that the pilot and co-pilot did anything wrong in this crash or in this disaster whatever has happened to this plane. no proof at all. and so we should not be thinking, you know, that they -- we should be looking at every possibility. but we should not be thinking -- >> we should be keeping all the cards on the table. >> absolutely. christine, top malaysian official said he is hopeful that there are survivors, but how realistic is that at this point? >> i think you don't want to give up hope, but realistically at this point i would not think that there would be a possibility or a great possibility of anybody surviving on the seas at this point. and i think it's, again, one of these things that really needs to be addressed to the families because they are front and center. and they should be kept in really up-to-date with everything -- the possibilities, what they're looking at, what they're finding, what they're not finding.

>> but it really is a delicate dance with people who are in charge, who are telling -- who are tasked with telling, who wants to tell someone that? who wants to be the person that tells that information? you don't want to offer false hope, but you don't want to crush them as well. >> well, it's always better to underpromise and overdeliver in any situation. and all this data that's been coming out that hasn't been substantiated is just turmoil. it's a roller coaster ride for the families. and that needs to be controlled in some way. >> yeah. >> they may be keeping, as christine said, they may be keeping a lot -- i would assume they're keeping a lot of information private at this particular point until it actually vets out. if it doesn't vet out, why put them through something like that? >> families walking out of a press conference also saying they are getting mixed information from officials there in malaysia. the families are fed up. what do they do next? what recourse do they have? we'll talk about that right after this break. okay, listen up! i'm re-workin' the menu.

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personnel carrier armed with machine guns in that direction just a few miles, the russian border. and beyond that that is where the pentagon says more than 40,000 russian troops are now massing. the ukrainian government puts the figure twice as high and says the russian troops are also backed with tanks and attack helicopters. here though in addition to these armored personnel carriers, a little further along there the ukrainian army aren't too keen on showing that, tanks also dug in in the event that those russian troops do decide to roll across ukraine's eastern border. now, this is not the only response because local population here say they've looked at the example of their military in crimea when they surrendered to the russians. and they also know that they don't have any chance of military support from western powers. and so local civilians have come together in self-defense committees. they say they're digging

trenches, they have shown us that. they are building barricades also with sandbags and car tires. they say they will set on fire and put up smoke screens if the russians come across. and they say that they will not stand idly by. the committee say they will join in a guerilla war against any possibility of a russian invasion. >> thank you very much for that carl penhaul. coming up at 6:30 eastern here on cnn, what began as a routine flight for malaysia airlines flight 370 became the total opposite leaving behind unending grief and unanswerable questions. cnn's kyra phillips takes a look into what we know about the flight's final hours. here's a preview of that. >> around 12:30 a.m. malaysia airlines 370 pushes back from the gate and gently eases toward the runway. the aircraft is cleared for

takeoff. >> let's go. >> all right. so the brakes are off. and everything is set. >> the captain boosts the massive engines. the plane roars into the sky. it's altimter tracking 5,000 feet, then 10,000 feet. now airborne air traffic controllers pick up the flight. >> they're going to see you on their radar because you've got what's called a squawk code in your transponder which basically turns your simple radar return into something that has a lot of information on it. it includes the flight number and the speed and the altitude. >> coming up to 17,000 feet. >> this is malaysia here. and this is vietnam here. there's cambodia on the left side. >> as the plane reaches its cruising altitude of 35,000 feet, the pilots can relax a little. so can the passengers.

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so you have questions about the mystery of flight 370, and we're getting expert answers for you. with me now our aviation analyst mary schiavo, ocean explorer christine dennison, michael kay former advisor to the british defense ministry and deep ocean explorer timothy taylor. okay. so, tim, tackle this first question for us. is there a reason why the ship carrying the pinger locator cannot drag the locator while dragging the area looking for debris? >> there's no reason. and maybe they're doing that. but acoustically the soupd has a limited range. and if the debris field is probably 1,000 miles away, 500 -- at least that because of the currents and wind. so it's probably useless to do that. and they're better off running and using the boat to track down

debris. >> okay. mary schiavo, this next question is for you, robert asks did flight 370 autopilot have automatic decent mode, adm, in case of >> we don't know in this case, because some pilots say yes, and some say no, but the triple 7200er can have the descent. >> and this is from you, michael, diane asks how much money has been spent on this endeavor and who is footing the bill and how much more do you think that they expect to spend? that is maybe not answerable, the second part? >> well, the last part i heard on the finances is that the americans have put in $2.5 million and budgeted $4 million for the search, and that is a good four or five days ago, so i am assuming it is above that. i am wondering how much money

will come into play at this particular moment. the focus is on finding the aircraft, finding the debris, and people are more worryied about the finances afterwards, but the conversations will be going on. >> and christine dennis, this is for you, and b.j. brian asks, why can't the search teams fly in lower and then put smaller boats in closer to the objects? >> well, you would not want to put the small boats in there, because you want a large platform to work with, because if there is a large object, they need to pick it up and collect it, and a small boat may not offer the stability and maybe rough waters, so you need a larger boat. >> and rick asks, if the cockpit voice recorder holds two hours of time, maybe the recording should be voice activated and that is a great question. what do yo you think, mike? >> well, it is a good question. i can't really answer it to be honest? >> well, the capabilities now of

drives to cover more data. >> and mary schiavo. >> well, often the sounds on the data recorder are not really the voices anyway, but they are tiny clicks and sounds and whooshing sounds and the click of the autopilot on/off and i don't know if the voice activation would be good enough to pick up sounds and some of them are big enough or strong enough to kick in the voice activation, and yet they are really, really important, and you listen for the sounds and like the bus being pulled or any kind of sound when we don't have any clues even one click can make the difference. >> mary, you can answer this one as well, and it is from priscilla, and she says ta why can you have something like a data processor like cell phones use that records all of the data. >> well, not only that, and not only should they record all of the data, but they should download it in flight, and this

is a debate that we have been having since 2001 and the capability is there and we would not have the frantic ocean searches and not only can they capture so much data and so easy now in the data age but to stream it and to download it would have obviated this entire search, and it is heartbreaking we have not done it in a decade and a half. >> and mikemikey, you know a lo conspiracy theorietheories, and the pilots have bailed out with the fear of returning? >> well, that is a theory well out there which we should not be discussin discussing. >> and thank you. and all of you, i appreciate you and some of the guests will be back and others won't, but stick around, because those who will stay with us ahead. more ton the search for the missing malaysian flight 370, and some of the planes are taking off in perth, australia, at this hour, and we will go there next. and breaking news into cnn.

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it is the top of the hour here in the "cnn newsroom" and i'm don lemon. thank you for joining us. the mystery of flight 370 marks a new chapter this hour. the new search planes will take off at daybreak in perth, aus trail yax and ten planes will be involved in the search, but the weather is expected to worsen with light showers and low clouds. meantime, we are tracking a new development that ships have tracked that possible objects have been repeated for weeks, we are getting a first look at the objects found. i want you to look at this, and we have to be clear that no link exists between the object s ts we are showing you and that missing airliner so far. it could just be sea trash. and the analysts are examining the objects now, and we have this for you, and grieving families of passengers are enduring a emotional roller coaster, and now the message just got mixed today. >> we have been hoping against hope no matter how remote.

of course, we are praying, and we will continue the search for the possible survivors. but what they want is a commitment on our part to continue the search, and that, i have given not only on behalf of the malaysian government, but of so many nations that is involved. >> and the question is how can grieving families grieve with shifting areas and mixed messages from the malaysian officials and the experts are going to weigh in on that. i want to get to will ripley in perth, australia, and at the moment, search planes will return to the sky, and how long will they be able to search before the weather is a issue? >> well, with we were just looking at the weather, don. we can see clouds moving in the direction, and here in perth, we are quite a distance away from the search area. it is noticeably colder and windy and clouds overhead as

well, and the big clouds are still out over to indian ocean, and moving towards the search area, and we don't know how many hours this arrives, but when we say light showers what that means is zero visibility, and when the clouds move in over the indian ocean, and they are so low to the ground that they can stop a search in the tracks. we will have ten planes in the air, and ten ships and some of them moving in as we speak, and trying the take advantage of how much time they have to search before the weather turns ugly. >> so we came across a couple of objects, and a couple of orange banners and other objects that the on closer examination were just debris, green fishing nets. very interesting and when we examined them closer, they turned out to be just that. >> that is the story that we are likely to hear repeated in the coming days.

the crew members saying they see objects that have potential, but then they turn out to be completely unrelated. in that case it was from a fishing vessel and in other cases sea trash, but there are objects out there that the flight crews feel are suspicious, and different from what you would normally see and enough to see that they are dropping the buoys on the ares s and marking the areas to let the ships know where they are and move in and retrieve it and sending it to the lab essentially here in australia where the experts will analyze it to determine if it did come from flight 370. it is a complicated process, but it begins with the ships on the water, and they will have as much time to search as possible. >> and will ripley from perth, australia, thank you. and here to discuss all of this is maria schiavo and miles o'brien. and miles, how can the crews best make use of the hours of searching that they do have? >> well, is that for me, don?

i'm sorry. >> yes, miles o'brien. >> well, maximizing the time on station is the key on this. and remember, in the previous search sight, here you had the p-8 aircraft which is ideally suited for the u.s. navy spending four hours of the time just to get to the site. so shaving even one hour off which is what this does provides if you think about it, two more hours on the station. so that increases the odds dramatically, but weather is weather. this is a fight with mother nature right now. >> hmm. and mary, once these objects are retrieved or returned to shore, how do they analyze them and how can you be sure that they are from flight 370? >> well, hopefully the teams they have assembled in perth which is where all of the wreckage is to be taken or the debris or the sea trash or whatever they are pick up is going to be seasoned investigators, and they have, and really, it comes with experience and of course you go

to school first, but you know what comes from the plane and what doesn't, and what is unique about the aircraft other than the passengers' things, such as luggage and by the way, shoes float and gallerier carts, but things to the airplane are going to be specific to the airplane. a lot of the parts have to be faa approve and the seats are only on an aircraft, and so you won't see things that are on an airplane that are otherwise. you would not mistake them for boats. and hopefully the investigators have worked many accidents, and know what to look for, and parts of the plane are unique. >> and you have heard some of the analysts on cnn say, you know, that there is concern about the way that the objects are being handled, and they should have gloves on and not touching them with their hands or as little as possible. and mary said, you have to grab it and touch it in some way, and unavoidable, and what do you think about the possibility, and about these objects being compromised because they are

touching them with their hands, miles? >> well, in the real world, they have to handle them a little bit, and the concern about somehow wiping about the evidence and they have been in the water for more than 20 days now and that fact alone is going to undermine any sort of forensic evidence, and although, the investigators who are certainly are on site, and tapped into should work around that. >> yes. mary, you want to weigh in on that? >> well, the only time i can think of when that is a huge issue is in alaska airlines and the crash off of los angeles back in 2000, and there the jack screw which is the part of the plane that controls the horizontal stabilizer, the elevator, that exited the plane and when they got it up on the ship, they washed it off and people were upset that they were washing away evidence, but even though that happened, the evidence was still on the jack screw, so it is pretty hard to mess it up by handling it. >> and mary and miles, thank

you. stick around and we will continue the discussion after the break, but first, we have information just into cnn. a preliminary magnitude 4.1 earthquake has been felt in southern california. again, this is just into cnn, and according to the united states geological survey, the quake was centered one mile southeast of roland heights south of los angeles and just last night, the los angeles area was affected by a 5.1 magnitude quake. no significant damage or injuries from that earthquake, and you can see the damage so that the other one had earlier, but there is no significant damage aside from the things falling awe of the shelves and no significant injuries as well, and more on the quake just as soon as it comes in on cnn. and coming up, we will talk about the difficult search for flight 370, and how do you search in the open ocean with no landmarks and endless sea. it is extremely difficult for the folks out there looking for debris. stay with us. [ male announcer ] every day, your mouth is building up

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search plan, grids or patterns? >> well, don, it is a combination of things, and it is all dependent on the informationt at the time. and the guys in air france 447 because of the transponders were able to locate the debris quickly. they will search it out and look at the tidal flows and put it in some algorithms and the computers will come up with a data search. >> before they go out, they are briefed, and what are they told once they get to briefing. >> the guys going out there are the pilots that are responsible for getting the aircraft out there, and in terms of the equipment that the aircraft is use, i think that it is then going to the responsibility hands over to the tactical controller, and that person is going to be responsible for the radar scope guys and girls using the technology, and so they are going to be looking at the search aspects and the weather briefings, and actions of what to do if you see something, because if they do see something, they take a picture

of it and get the imagery back to the analysts to stop processing it, because as we said before, time is of the essence, so there is a myriad of factors that go into it. >> so there is protocol? >> absolutely. >> and so talk to us about the search, because you more than anyone understands that you have talked about the auvs helping in the search. >> they are autonomous vehicles and drones for lack of a better word to search. unlike the navy drones flown from langley or some remote location, the water is diffuse and hard to get signals through, so you cannot reliably pilot it. it has to think on its own. >> and this is one that was shot down in louisiana. >> yes, and those were instrumental in finding the air fran france. >> and yours is different though the one tas you use? >> yes, they are shallower, and all of the same mechanics, but we have operated up to 5,000 feet. they are exactly the same

platform, but obviously, bigger to handle the bigger pressure. >> and how much ground so to speak can it cover in the search period. >> and the sonar and how to reach out, and cover the 12 square nautical miles a day, and maybe with the big ones, maybe more. >> and for the sake of the discussion, what if they find something convincing and believe it is part of the plane, what happens then? >> if they find debris, and they have been saying reverse engineering, and i like to say reverse navigating, because engineering is building something, but you are plotting back and trying to determine where the actual wreckage went into the debris field. and so we have the find that, and wa you have to find is clues to find it, and every piece of data is picked up on the ocean, and plugged into the casino program that has millions and millions of hits into a square grid and mile square grid and

then take the highest probability areas and that is where we will start looking, and if you look at the auvs it is a monotonous search. >> and in the video, they said it is netting that they found, but it is netting that they are using to pick up whatever it is, some sort of paper or plastic that they found in this search here which is entangled in the n net, and then they have to get it out of the net. so they have to touch it. touch these objects. >> i want to hold out hope, but this is stuff that we run across everyday in the ocean, trash and debris out there everyday. so let e's hope that it is something from the flight. >> and go ahead, mike. >> moving on from what tim was saying. we now need to move into the process of unequivocal dissemination of the information and too many what ifs whether it is from the australian prime

minister or from malaysia, but it has to bun equivocal that we have found something and it is linked. and nothing until then. >> and hold that thought, because as daybreaks, the planes are just leaving in perth, aus trail ya to continue the hunt. and join cnn tonight in just about 15 minutes here, and 14 minutes to be precise, flight 370, the final hours, the half-hour special to take a detailed look into what we know about the flight's last hours. tonight at 6:30 eastern right after the broadcast at the bottom of the hour. stay with us.

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welcome back and a total of 10 aircraft to fly over the search zone and crews are able to get in as much work as they can before the weather conditions start to the deteriorate. i am joined by mike kay, and terry taylor and mary schiavo, and can we put up the objects

that they have found while searching with a net. and we hope you to see in the monitor, but we don't want to get ahead of ourselves as to what this looks like. so let's see if we can kind of figure it out as they fish this out. of the ocean. they pull it on and then they undo it. from the netting. and then okay. so it is frozen and put it up there for a little bit. i will say to me, if it is any, and it could be a magazine or a paper or page from the magazine, but it looks like the emergency manual in the back of a seat cushion. i am just saying that. what does it look like to you, miles o'brien? >> i am trying to look at what appear to be some diagrams that you could be right about that. at first i thought it was money, but now that i am looking at it, maybe not. you know, but -- for all we know it could be a manual for a fishing trawler that fell off or

something. but it does have that look. so this kind of thing, and you know, obviously a that is not conclusive stuff. i mean, if it says boeing 777 manual on there, then you is something. >> mary schiavo? >> well, the emergency evacation instructions in the seat back are laminated, so i wonder if it would flake like that or maybe it is the lamination that made it possible to survive in the water this long, so i can't tell if it is a laminated product or not. >> yeah. it is, again, we are looking at it with the naked eye. >> yeah, very good point. >> and mary, you know, they narrowed the search zone that is located the objects collected a few of them. i want to get each of you to answer here, and what should investigators focus on beyond the obvious search, and is there something that is missing from the operation? let me start with mary. >> again, i go back to the

maintenance and the logs and things on that plane, and touch the plane, and everything about the plane and the shippers and i go back to the shipping manifest of what was on the plane, and so often you will find the clues in the paper. it is the paper before the flight that often give you the biggest clues. >> all right. miles, a short time here. what do you? >> well, mary is dead on right, and key thing, there was seaworthy directives like with your car, ap we don nd we don't it complied with the airworthiness. >> and we still believe that the whether malaysia or vietnam, there is a distress cell that they go to which is the radio with the ability to talk to the aircraft and the aircraft in other areas of the debris. >> and we have to keep looking until they find something. >> and thank you all.

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>> i am don lemon and thank you for joining us. of course, we will continue with the live coverage of cnn in just about 30 minutes and if something happens, we will break into the programming to bring you the latest. stick the around for a special report, "flight 370, the final hours" begins right now. the following is a cnn special report. a high-tech aircraft, an experienced crew, and 227 passengers. what began as a routine flight from malaysia airlines 370 became the total opposite. leaving behind an ending grief and unanswered questions. flight 370, the final hours.