visibility, you can't search if you can't see through the clouds. that is what the pilots and the ship crews are up against today. >> let's talk about what everybody is waiting to hear about, the objects retrieved from the ocean. do we know anything about them? >> we foe that two ships yesterday retrieved objects that they pulled from the ocean, a ship from china and australia, and those objects are sitting on the vessels right now waiting to be examined. and what is going to happen here is that planes are going to be spotted and marked yesterday and the crews know the coordinates and that is where they are going to be headed this afternoon, and planes are going to be searching for additional objects and we need to stress that we don't know if they are going to be connected in any way to flight 370, but there are a lot of objects frankly floating around in the indian ocean, but what is new here that has not happened before is that planes that have been searching for debris are now looking and seeing of the objects and thinking that they

look suspicious enough, and different enough that there might be a chance and we see the objects that are white, orange, red, blue, and all of these have been marked and the ships will try to locate them, because it is one thing to take a picture from the airplane, but another to have them, and have the experts s take a look at them see if there is a connection to the flight 370. we just don't know. >> thank you, will ripley. joining me is aviation analyst miles o'brien, and cnn aviation analyst rob mccallum as well. and let me start with you, rob. are there search areas that are easier to find? >> well, there are things that are easier to see like notsom, and things that are buoyant and collect together, but the real hit s a hits are the things like a tail or a wing tip, and in the case

of flight 447, it was the wing tip that was easier to spot. >> and you saw the objects there the crews pulled out of the water there, and not too much speculation, but does it look too much like an aircraft there? >> well shgs s, it is hard to t. to me, we were initially talking before the break, that it was currency to me, but it could very well be one of the seatback, you know, exit manuals. it is possible. >> that or a magazine, page from a magazine or anything. >> yes, and it which still could be a part of the airplane. >> really? >> well, a magazine may be, you know, in-flight magazine may be attributed to that particular airlines. >> and miles, you know, new search area, calmer waters and easier to reach, and is this going to help the crews get more done in the daytime that they have except for the weather, because they are up against the weather as well. >> well, you have a double-whammy and you have to worry about the sea state of course, and this is better, because they are not in what is

the roaring 40s and the most treacherous waters in the world, and they have moved north in latitude, and that is going to help quite a bit, but when you are flying with low visibility, and the low ceiling, there is no way around it, and you have to have visual contact, and it is not like you can use infrared technology, and it is not like there is something warmer than the sea itself, and you have to see it with optical enhancement or the human eye, and that is limiting. >> and so, miles, again, as we look at the objects, right, and we don't want to call them debris, because we don't know what it is, but it could be anything, because it is a great lesson on anything that is the trash in the ocean, because we don't know what it is, and just how unclean, shall we say that the ocean can be. >> yes, i have been thinking a lot about the 2004 tsunami, and i wonder if it is some of the, you can imagine the huge amount of debris put into the ocean then, and the way that the ocean currents go, and what we are

seeing in the southern site might well be attributable to the -- it is just going to swirl around there for nearly forever. >> and rob mccallum, and miles bringing up a very good point as you have been searching, and you have done searches before, and dealt with this, and again, we don't know what it is, but initially, initially, what happens when crews find things like this? i am sure that there is initial excitement, and they are excited about getting it back and then all of the sudden, the real work starts in the laboratory, i would imagine? >> well, the real work will start at sea in terms of plotting the position of all of the items recovered and what is important is what item was recovered at which place. so, you know, as i have said before some items are propelled by the current, because they are fairly well submerge and the other items are propelled by the wind and the waves because they

float on top of the water like a seat cushion for instance. but if you plot all of the things on to a chart, that will start a pattern, and that will aid the ocean og ographers wheny run the initial exercise to go back to the single point of impact. >> les? >> well, the question i have is whether the investigation team is permitting the -- because they are part of the effort whether they are permitting the chinese to give out the information, because so much that is misleading to the, you know, to the poor folks that are the families of the passengers, so i am wondering if they know what it is, and they are waiting to confirm it. i think that would be a smart mo move. >> and miles, as someone has said here earlier, so much misinformation coming out, and what we need to come out with, the families need, but what the families need right now is for the next bit of information to come out to be solid rather than

speculative, and i think that les brings up a good point fit is indeed something or nothing, i imagine they would be holding it close to the vest to figure it out exactly? >> well, that is fitting the pattern, because they tend to hold a lot of information close to the vest and certainly more than any investigation that would be occurring here in the nsh ntsb-led here in the states. and that is cultural, but clearly, if they have made a confirmation, they will have to let the world know pretty quickly here. >> all right. guys, stick around, because i need to get to some developing news just into cnn, and it is in southern california. southern california went to bed last night and woke up this morning to multiple earthquakes, but it did not end there. just a couple of hours ago, another aftershock rocked the area, with a magnitude 4.1 centered in the roland heights area of l.a. county, and all started with the last night's 5.1 quake in orange county near

la habra and joining us is stephanie elam, and stephanie, this quake, it woke people up in the middle of the night, and now another one. >> yes, and the one last night, don, you know, even my daughter was still awake, and it was not that late. but it was definitely enough to know that it is definitely a quake. it was a long rolling one, and when you are a californian, you know the difference. and the one today, was a jolting one, but i was out walking around and i did not feel that one today, but overall, 100 or so earthquakes sense yesterday, and many of them are really small, and not as big, and the biggest one being that one in the evening last night, and people are spookd, because it has been a long time since there has been a sizable earthquake in southern california. i know that people like to think of us shaking and quaking all of the time, but it is not always that pronounced. so there seems to be a lot of movement as of late, and a good reminder for people out here to get reprepared, because they say

that all of the activity could be a precursor to something much bigger, and obviously, we go to the quakes most of the time, and we have them all of of the time, and we don't always feel them, don. >> and we saw the one last week where the news anchors were on television, and everybody talked about it, because it frightened them as well. but so far though, no serious injuries to e repoy s ties to r stephanie? >> right. maybe some damage yesterday with some basements that fell and broke or that sort of damage. but small structural, but i thought today while there is a shelter that opened up near the epicenter of yesterday's earthquake, it shutdown today, and everybody went back home. and nothing huge. for californians a 5.-something earthquake is noticeable, but it is not a wig thing out there, and it is understanding the levels of when it is a really big deal, and it can cause the drama. but a lot of the buildings out

here are prepared and shorn up for earthquakes and that is one good thing that the buildings are prepare and if we could just get all of the californians prepared adds well. >> thank you, stephanie elam. thank you. i want the panel to the stick around, because we are going to be talking later this hour about the missing flight 370. and first, are remember the pictures from a year ago air france flight 447, and another plane that was on radar and then suddenly, it wasn't. so will anything change? that is the question coming up. are you still sleeping? just wanted to check and make sure that we were on schedule.

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welcome back, everyone, to the continuing coverage. when air france flight crashed into the atlantic ocean, it took two years to find the flight data recorders and back then we asked if it would change the way that the airlines keep tabs on the planes so it would not happen again, and here we are again, wondering if this is going to change anything. will it be business as usual after flight 370 or will we see new technology to track planes? we have steve wallace with us, a cnn analyst, and accident investigator, and steve, aside

from the technology and the upgrades here, what should the airlines do differently to keep their planes staf? >> well, i think that we will see, don, a combination of the simply applying what are already the best practices, but applying them universally across the world's airlines as well as new technology, and focusing on three areas. one is preventing the accident, and what comes to mind very quickly here sh, and not that te is a connection to the accident d demonstrated, but this airline apparently did not scan the passports against the interpol database, and we have no connection to the accident at this point, but they were very lax apparently about access to the cockpit, so, in this country, like the ntsb is the main lead of making the recommendations, and they will not wait for the probable cause to be determined. if they see an area for improvement, they will make a recommendation right away. so the focus, and when you started on is that we lost track

of the airplane. well, certainly, the requirement that an airplane continuously report the altitude and the position, a nd tnd that that capability be up able to be disabled, and you know, you cannot turn that off, i think that we will certainly see that, and that could be done easily with what is on the aircraft already. just modifying it so it cannot be disabled by anyone. or it could be an additional piece of equipment. and, you know, if you like, we could talk about the conduct of the investigation and particularly the caring for the families in this horrible situation. >> okay. very good points, all three of t the points there. and so the question is that when you said that it is going to be some overall sort of universal access of what to do to make the airplanes safer across the world, you said, let's talk about how many americans are wondering how safe am i on a

jetliner after this? obviously, it could happen anywhe anywhere, but on the american jetliner, are our planes as safe as they could be? >> well, i will tell you that i was the scorekeeper at the faa until a few years ago when i left, and we count fatal tis per 100 million people carried, and after world war ii that number was about 1,400, and in the '50s, it got down the 500, and in the '90s down to 50, and in the last five years in the united states, it is below one. so flying is so incredibly safe. so, you know, this is obviously a frightened, frightening set of circumstances, and people who have anxiety about flying, this certainly can't help, but statistically flying in the entire developed world is extremely safe. >> and steve, we thought it was impossible now, but ow soon do we get to the point where, and

i'm sure that the technology exists, and the technology installs to make a disappearance like this impossible. >> well, i think that we can certainly, the tracking equipment is easy. i mean, a back paccer, and you can't put anything on the plane inexpensively because the approvals are so complex, but a backpacker can buy a device for $150 that can track him on the satellite, and the family can watch him on the internet. this technology is not complicated. ultimately, don, we would be looki looking for telemetry where the data from the airplane is sent down constantly to the earth as it has been since 1981 to 2010 on the space shuttle, and limited parameters. there are issues of bandwidth and how the data may be used, but i think that they are all challenges that can be surpassed. >> steve wallace, appreciate

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with so many questions of what happened to the people aboard flight 370, one certai y certainty, so many of them had the cell phones with them. and so did they try to send a good-bye e-mail or phone message, and so in that the debris field, what would a cell phone under miles of water be able to give? our ted rowland has some answers for you. >> reporter: paul weeks left his wife and son in australia to

start a new job on board malaysian flight 370. and now the loved ones are w wondering if their loved ones tried to send a message before the plane went missing. with so many details missing, tex thets and e-mails could provide clues as to what happened. and all of that information could be retrieved. >> absolutely. i am sure that there are text messages and drafts of e-mails and video testimonials that people made. >> chad gough is an expert of phone technology, and he says that even months under water, texts and e-mails could be retrieved. >> it depends on how they were e retrieve and handling them

properly. >> reporter: and it is just like a cell phone or computer would have to be left in water until it is ready to be analyzed and even if it is smashed, as long as the data cards are in tact, the data is there. >> and it is getting them out of the the salt water and keeping them wet and putting them in a special solution to dissolve the minerals and the salt and clean off the components. >> reporter: finding the devices is going to be likely the most difficult part of the recovery. it took two years to find france air flight a year ago. but if wreckage is found over the next few months, passenger texts, e-mails and video could help to solve the mystery of what happened on board and while also provide some grieving families a final message from a loved one. ted rowlands, cnn, chicago.

>> let's take a closer look at how the technology would work. we have cnn's money tech correspondent lori seigel. what can be retrieved? >> well, so much. i was thinking if a phone is in the water for so long and how would you get anything off of it? i spoke to a cell phone company called h-11 and they told me what you would get. longitude and latitude if they had gps and constantly looking for the signals and time line information and photographs and individu video and text messages and call history and e-mail and social media and if someone was using facebook or trying tick ma a last call, and this is all information and go ahead and say, it is going to be very difficult to find the devices say in the middle of the ocean, but this is all information that could be available and could be recovered potentially. >> and we still don't know. >> don't know. >> and one never knows and sometimes things pop up that you don't expect. and they would need some tech tools in order to get the

information, and what do they need? >> absubtly. when you look at samsung, apple and nokia, they have different ways of storing information and so, there are so many ways to extract information from a re really damaged device. a combination of tools. if you were to find a device in water for a couple of months, one big thing is transferring it to a place and not further damaging it so they have a silicone-based dehumidifier to allow you to do that. and then if there is a device with something really wrong with it, they have a chip-off technique which is what it sounds like. you take the chip, and clean it up, and then put it in a similar device, and then you can start to try to extract the data. it is will almost like a little bit of the puzzle, an manually putting together different types of data, and if you are -- these are all different photos of phones that have been actually really damaged and actually able to find lots of data on them, and so we will be able to find the devices, and sure, that is going to be really difficult, but if they were, there are different types of ways to get

this data. >> and rob mccullum is here, and miles o'brien listening, and miles, you are a tech the guru yourself, and what do you make of what laurie and ted rowlands is reporting here? >> well, i am struck by the fact that there are more data in the phones potentially at the bottom of the ocean than the airplane, itself. and we are all used to the notion of being able to track down our phones electronically, and we assume that anybody can find us now, and the fact that this 777 has vanished, and it is a strange contradiction in all of it that needs to be addressed. and when the aviation says they will get around it to, we have to hold the regulatory agencies accountable. it never should have happened an frankly after 9/11 this should have happened, but certainly after air france 447 in 2009, and somebody should have said that we need better capability for tracking the airplanes, themselves, that would be equivalent to the cell phones

that the passengers are carrying on board. >> rob? >> yes. certainly possible that the phones may be lying around the wreckage site. one of the things that will occur when the wreckage is eventually located is that the row mote operator vehicle, rov will go down with the operational cameras and painstakingly photograph and video the entire debris field to mainly give the accident investigators a good lay of the land, if you'd like, because they can read a lot into the pattern, but you never know what you will find on the sea floor, and certainly cell phones are possible. >> yes. and then we were talking about how that is more technology here. and thank all of you. stick around, miles and rob as well. you know, it is morning in australia which means a new day of searching for malaysia airlines flight 370. more from australia coming up next. month? yup. all 5 of you for $175.

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sech planes are about to be in the air to look for evidence of any missing evidence of the flight 370. and this is 23 days after the ship disappeared, the ships have retrieved objects after three weeks of looking for positive objects that never materialized,

and i want you to look at this, but to be clear, no link exists between the objects and the missing airliner. it could be sea trash. now, let's bring in atika shubert at the pearce air base in australia, and atika, have they taken off or are they still waiting to go up in the air? >> well, they are preparing to go up in the airk and the schedule is that a 9:00 chinese plane is supposed to depart from the perth airport. there is going to be a total of ten planes up in the sky today, but more critical might be the ships on the water, because they are the ones who can actually pull in any objects, chase them down and see what they are. unfortunately, as you pointed out, ta were able to the find some of the objects yesterday, but they were all sort of just trash from either fishing vessels and one of the things was a fishing buoy for example. so it is going to be taking a while yet before we are able to get under way and see what

objects are out there floating around. >> and so the objects that were out there retrieve and they are picking them up in the nets, how long before they can get that back to the place on land where they can examine it? >> well, they are examining them on the ship right now, and now if they get something that is looking like debris from the plane specifically, then they can examine it on the ship, and likely bring it back here to freemantle which is the port here in perth. but the thing is that it is still 1,800 kilometers out to the search site so it is a day or possibly two before the ships get out here. it is going to be a long process. it is going to take more time. >> and atika, we are hearing the weather conditions, and it was sunny when will ripley was there, and he said that the clouds were rolling in, and the weather conditions may deteriorate there today in the area, and what can you say about the radar that we are looking at live here, but what time will

the rain start? >> well, so far, we have found that the mornings start relatively clear, but then the weather deteriorates, but what we have begun to understand from the australian coordinating team, even with the weather, they are going to try to press ahead with the search. one oceanographer says this is how it is going to be for the next two to three weeks, because it is autumn now, and getting into winter, and the weather is going to be worse and worse and that means at some point ships and planes won't handle the weather conditions as possible, so that is why it is critical to do as much searching as we can while the weather is relatively go good. >> thank you, atika shubert. let's talk about the objects pulled from the indian ocean, and how it may affect the search. joining me is 777 pilot les albin, and aviation expert miles o'brien, and ocean search expert

rob mccall lum. and steven, i want to start with you, a ship outfitted with a black box detector, and unmanned underwater detector, and do you believe that they may have the signal that they have found something promising in the ocean? >> well, i don't know. i mean, we have all looked at the same photographs of the wreckage, and we can't draw any conclusions here. as far as the conversation that you had with atika there, on the ship, they will certainly have people who are capable of making a fairly good judgment about it. they get something that they think is likely to be part of the aircraft, and i assume ta they would photograph that, and this is as simple as a baggage tag with identification on it, or a boeing part number on something. >> and anything. and rob to you now. you saw the objects retrieved today, and do they look significant the you or ocean trash or can you tell from the pictures? is. >> well, you know, it is really difficult to tell from the pictures that i saw.

you know, they certainly could be, but more significant are the photos ta were taken from the aircraft, and they show a significant sized parts. so, you know, here is hoping, because we really do need to find something linked to the aircraft in order to be able to start thinking about how we would go about searching. >> miles o'brien, ten search planes expected to fly today, but the weather is of course getting worse. rain. how do the search crews maximize the time they have available, and how much rain can the searchers handle before calling it a day? >> well, these guys will push it as far as they can, but there are limits as far as the ceiling and the visibility, and at a certain point, you are wasting your time the out there. and this is doing back to what i have been talking about. ten planes relative to the size of the search zone is not enough in my view. there should be a much bigger fleet of planes involved in this

search, and perhaps an aircraft carrier, and the "george washington" is a week a wway in japan, and could be there, and the u.s. carrier, but, you know, the aircraft on board, and there are not optimized for search like a p-8 is which is a land-based aircraft, but there are held koicopters and e2s ands and more eyeballs on the scene. and given what atika says the weather window is going to close soon, and it is a huge area, and i fell like a full court press is in order. >> and now over to les, the fbi is almost done with the hard drives belonging to the pilot and the co-pilot, and an official is telling cnn that nothing is jumping out to them. and it is time to rule out the theories of the pilots with the possible nefarious motives? >> well, we won't be privy to all of the information, i'm sure, but just by everything that has happened, it is just for me personally gut feeling is that it just does not add up. i am looking at a kcaptain that seemed professional, and seems to be a family man, and enjoys

aviation, and enjoys geeky things like showing people how to set up an air conditioning unit, and everything after the last verbal contact e seems to the say to me that everything was normal. >> right. so miles o'brien, a similar question, and you to look at every single possibility, but in some instances, you know, the pilots' names have been dragged through the mud here, but still no evidence that they did anything wrong. >> and you know, they have families, too. don't forget that, and what a horrible thing to indict the crew without any evidence. it is just -- you know, listen, they are on the list, and you can't rule it out, and that is just the way that these investigations go, but to take it to the next step and start to read things into, you know, a young man bringing some women into the cockpit, a nd you know 27-year-old first officer showing off, and or a guy interested in the flight sim simulat simulators, and there is nothing in there that says there is any shred of guilt that should be

obvious there. this is the worst kind of speculation in my view. i think that, you know, we just don't know. and these are human beings with families who are suffering right now. >> yes. >> and rob, you know, this is everything that adds to sort of helps to put the puzzle together. and sometimes you may be looking at things that are really small, and i think that most people are looking for some big object o, and maybe tail or wing or what have you. but i want you to dig into a little bit more of what is the smallest possible thing, and one of the guests earlier said that it could be a magazine page from an airplane or something as small as that to be an indication of what happened to this flight. >> i mean, at this stage, almost anything that links any debris to mh 370 would be valuable. simply to validate all of the work that is being done by the analysts of the satellite data,

and the people who have been reworking the handshakes and the cr crews of the ships and the aircraft that have been out there looking, we really need to find something in order to validate all of that, and to know that we are in the right place. >> all right. thank you, guys. stick around and we will talk more about this, and also we want to talk about the partner of an american businessman who was on flight 370 opening up about her pain, and the connection she still feels to the man she loves. >> not too many people get that in life. and even if he does fot come back, that won't change. >> her very emotional interview just ahead.

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we will be right back to the latest developments of the hunt for flight 370. but here is what we need to catch you up. still disputes between president putin and this is in the wake of john kerry meeting with his counter part of russia lav rov. and he says that they have no intention to cross the border, and the russian military build-up is causing recent

concern in the past few days among the u.s. and ukrainian officials. and a landslide virtually wiped out two rural washington state towns. this morning at 10:37 the exact moment that the slide hit, rescue crews and residents stopped what they were doing for a moment of silence. 17 people are confirmed dead, but they say ta the number will climb with more people still missing. gary tuchman spoke with a woman who lost her husband and daughter. >> reporter: she is staying with her friend after she lost her mother and daughter in the washington state landslide. >> reporter: your first child? >> yes. >> reporter: and your mom? >> yes, the first grandchild. >> reporter: this is natasha's baby sunowa and her mother. and this past saturday she went to yoga and her mother was babysitting the baby when the

landslide hit. when did you find out that your mother and daughter were missing? >> when think started to talk about there were housing in the road and nothing left where our house houses were. >> reporter: and natasha's mother body was found almost right away, but the baby's body was found five days later, and she was put in natasha's arms. >> when i went up there, and i got to hold her, and i maybe dropped but a couple of tears, because i was so excited that we found her, and all i could do was to grin, because we found my baby. and this is, you know, it might not be the best time to smile and it might not be the best time to laugh, but sharing memories about my mom, and holding baby out there was perfect. coping in a way that my mom told me to stand up and be strong for

myself and told me to, showed me, and not told me, but showed me after spending 26 years of showing me how to walk tall and proud and search and try hard and love and be loving and be kind. >> reporter: i think that you are an amazing woman. >> thank you. >> reporter: and we give you our condolences and we are so sorry for you. >> thank you. part of the reason that i'm able to stand up here so tall and proud is because there's people s supporting me. there is people on my side. there is people that i don't even know right now searching for other people that helped to find my baby. >> reporter: what do you do next? >> go and help them. go and help the people who helped me, because i don't know how else to return that favor, because it means so much. i'd spend the rest of my life up

there shoveling mud if it were to help someone else, because they helped me. >> reporter: gary tuchman, cnn, arlington, washington. we will go live to washington state in about 30 minutes here on cnn for another report on the story. coming up, a piece of underwater equipment r.o.v. may help to solve the mystery of flight 370, and this underwater vehicle built to specifically work in the deep seas is next. i reckon a storm's a brewin'. reckon so. reckon you gotta hotel? reckon, no. reckon priceline express deals will get you a great deal. wherever you...mosey. you reckon? we reckon. vamonos the spring hotel sale is on at priceline.com. save up to 60% on any express deal hotel, when you use code: spring '14. i reckon this is one deal you won't want to miss. you created light. you are loved. celebrated.

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the tough task of locating the potential debris field of malaysia flight 370 just beginning now. if it is ever found it could be thousands of feet underneath the ocean's surface. a high-tech water vehicle could make all of the crucial difference of recovering things like the data recorder. here is rosa flores. >> reporter: this could be the key of solving the mystery of malaysia airlines flight mh 370. an underwater piece of equipment that works this the deep sea called a remote operating

vehicle, r.o.v., for short. it is what the malaysian government has added to the fleet of resources in the hoping of recovering some of the most critical pieces of evidence from the deep sea. >> while the two key pieces of evidence that outway all other evidence are the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder. >> reporter: off shore, we were give given an exclusive look at the try tan machine. it is a multimillion dollar machine that is taeterred to the vessel, and dropped into the water by a cable. >> we have outlet at 20 meters. >> reporter: and slowly remotely lowered to a control tower in the ship. the r.o.v. is equipped with camera cameras. >> it is two here, one on the pilot and the co-pilot monitor.

>> reporter: that means that an r.o.v. like this one could lay the first eyes on the wreckage site of mh 370. >> it could tell you about the wreckage f wreckage, and if it came apart, and if parts were metal arms and jaws are controlled by a joy stick. >> open and close the jaws. not a problem at all for an rov to pick it in a basket and recover it back to the vessel. >> reporter: before the data recorders are recovered, the wreckage must be located, a task as daunting as the indian ocean is deep. >> rosa flores joins me now. it's fascinating. how long can these machines work on the ocean floor? >> these particular rovs can be down there for days. they are tethered to a very sophisticated vessel that has a helipad, so these -- the crews are on two 12-hour shifts and

able to deliver food to these ships by helicopter. one of the key things, don, i should point out, these rovs like you saw have arms and have jaws. in the case of mh-370, for example, if the data recorder is under debris, if it's trapped somewhere, you can rig these rovs with cutting equipment, with lifting equipment, to be able to get that data recorder from wherever it is. from whatever the debris is. the rov then puts it in a basket and lifts it up to the basket. >> stand by, rosa. i want to get our experts to weigh in on this. miles, the video, that's exactly what people are sort of waiting to see, obviously, from this recovery, that video of something and then retrieving it at the bottom of the ocean. >> yeah. no, this is, you know, it's kind of encouraging to see it, but, remember, the range of these pingers, these devices that make noise on the flight tate to recorder and the cockpit voice recorder is about two miles under good conditions. so the depth there is about two

miles. so you've got to get that thing down pretty low and you've got to identify the location of the wreckage field, of course. and in retrospect, people who investigated air france 447 in 2009 actually took a device similar to this, if that device for all i know, over the wreckage. where, in fact, they later found the black boxes, and there was no pinging, so we can't be guaranteed that there is a ping. we're getting toward the edge of the guaranteed 30-day life span, but for all we know, it never pinged at all. >> yeah. good point. and rob, you know, had an expert on last night, dave ramirez, who he believes the time for pinging, he believes we've lost that time, sadly. this information that rosa flores brings to us, i mean, it's really good information. as i said to miles o'brien, this is what people want to see. obviously to find something, at least something that they can figure out exactly what happened

to this flight. to see that video, to see that search and the recovery of it. >> yes, absolutely. and that will be the last step in this whole story is when the rov eventually gets down on to the seafloor and hopefully recovers the data recorders. if they're not able to be located then starts to bring back to the surface some fairly large and crucial pieces of equipment of the aircraft that can be forensically analyzed. but let's hope for the black boxes. that would be the ultimate goal. >> rosa? >> now, one of the things we can add is if the pingers stopped pinging, these rovs are equipped with high-resolution cameras. so if we're able to find the debris and science is able to backtrack and give us a narrow search of where this wreckage is, we could send vehicles like this, not only aubs which we discussed earlier, but rovs. aubs take a picture of it, a

sonar picture. these pieces of equipment have realtime cameras. high-resolution cameras that can do the same grid so you'd be able to see exactly what's in the ocean floor. identify if it's wreckage and then, of course, do a mission to be able to retrieve these data recorders. >> rosa, thank you very much. miles and rob, stick around. still ahead, a live report from australia where a search is on, about to resume, i should say, for the missing flight 370. plus an emotion. interview with the partner of an american who was on that plane. she opens up about the moment when malaysian officials say all the passengers and crew were dead. hey guys! sorry we're late. did you run into traffic? no, just had to stop by the house to grab a few things. you stopped by the house? uh-huh. yea. alright, whenever you get your stuff, run upstairs, get cleaned up for dinner. you leave the house in good shape? yea. yea, of course. ♪ [ sportscaster talking on tv ] last-second field go-- yea, sure ya did. [ male announcer ] introducing at&t digital life. personalized home security and automation.

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you know, it's been more than three weeks after waiting for the loved ones of passengers and crew aboard flight 370 and the news is nothing but grim. cnn's david mckenzie sat down with sarah bajc. her partner, philip wood was one of the three americans on the plane. although she says she has to move on, she can still strongly feel his spirit. david? >> reporter: don, throughout these weeks, there's been scenes of frustration, anger, and grief from the families, but also strong voices have emerged. like that of sarah bajc. her partner from texas, phil wood, was on the plane.

i asked her what it was like to get the news that the plane had gone down by text message. >> to me, it was the message that it was over, that everybody was dead, and all of this hope that i've been putting forward and all of the energy i've been pushing forward to be positive and hopeful had just been wasted and it was done. you know, so i think i crashed into a point of crisis. and then i was listening to the press conference, itself, and i'm thinking, wait, he's not really telling us anything. you know, i started to have a little bit of -- a little nugget of disbelief already. i have to keep moving forward. i mean, life has to go on. and i want life to go on with philip back in my life, but the reality is life has to go on even without him. >> reporter: so, sarah, do you still feel his spirit, his presence? >> i do. that hasn't changed. it's particularly strong when i'm by myself in those little daily patterns of life. you know, i've continued to keep

up with doing yoga every morning and he's definitely next to me. when i'm doing that. you know, going to sleep and getting up in the morning. but, you know, whether that's the peace of his soul that's connected to mine that i hope would always be there no matter what, or if it's his -- if it's his reach to me to help me keep strong because he's still with us. i don't know where it's coming from, but i still feel it. >> reporter: you know, i got to know sarah pretty well through these weeks and she's a strong woman who's determined to move forward. she's gone to kuala lumpur and malaysia. she says she'll move forward with her life and settle there no matter what. don?

hello, everyone. top of the shower. you're in the "cnn newsroom." i'm don lemon. thanks for joining us. few planes and ship, a lot of open ocean. that's the challenge, again, facing search crews looking for the missing boeing 777 airliner. in the overnight darkness, a chinese navy ship scooped up objects floating in the water. no word yet on what those things are or if they're part of malaysian airlines flight 37 o. in china, the passes time is making the grief and anger deeper for relatives and passengers. they're furious that the malaysian government declared the airplane lost without physical evidence. in the country where the mystery flight originated, malaysia's transportation minister met with some family members telling them his government will continue the search as long as there's even a remote chance of a survivor. i want to talk about that more with cnn's sara sidner, in kuala lumpur. sara, i'm going to start with you. tell me about the families of the passengers not only in