oh, i know that alarm goes off early, but, hey, maybe it didn't for you and you're just waking up because it's sunday and you can. i'm christi paul. i hope that's the case for you. >> i'm victor blackwell. we're beginning this morning with the search for missing malaysian airlines flight 370. that search has intensified today. >> a massive aircraft. ten aircraft and several ships combing through that new search area and doing so as we are speaking to you here trying to find any sign of a jet that has been missing for 23 days.

one of the objects spotted by a chinese ship, that orange object we were talking about turned out to be a dead jelly fish, nothing there. other specific objects have yet to be identified. >> time is quickly running out to find the black box. an australian warship is being hitted with the black box detector and a special underwater vehicle, as well. the ship called the ocean shield is expected to leave port tomorrow. now, it could take up to three days or so to reach the search area and that matters because the battery on the black box is only expected to last around seven more days. >> back in malaysia, dozens of angry relatives of chinese passengers onboard were demanding answers from malaysian officials in a fiery news conference a moment ago. they were carrying banners begging for truth and evidence and an apology for sending mixed

messages of hope and then despair. >> we're covering the search for flight 370 from every angle, of course. jim clancy joins us from the malaysian capital of kuala lumpur. >> paula, what have you learned so far about the search efforts going on right now? >> well, certainly, it's been the most extensive search that we've seen since it began. there were supposed to be ten planes that went up and we had eight ships in the search zone, another two about to arrive. extensive effort in the air and on the surface of the water. we have yet to hear exactly what they located today. we're about an hour away from getting some type of a briefing. this is good news in the sense that the weather was reasonable enough that they would have had a good look at the surface of that ocean. i have to say, they've done very well in the last few days of covering the search zone, doing a once through on what is still a very large area to look in.

christi. >> so, paula, you were onboard the ocean shield, the ship trying to locate the flight data recorder and the flock cockpit recorder after, of course, debris is found and confirmed. what do you know about the resources that will be on this ship? >> well, they're extensive and i want to say first three investigators from australia here, accident investigators but also what you were talking about before, victor. i want to say it was a sobering visit to that ship despite the sophisticated equipment. u.s. navy equipment "the blue fin" and 2 plr and from the cockpit voice recorder. the problem is until that search zone is narrowed, it is still quite a long shot to find them. i want you to listen to u.s.

navy commander mark matthews saying what he's up against. >> we certainly have our challenges in front of us. what we are trying to find an acoustic admission from one of the pingers on the flight data recorder. typically the batteries last for 30 days, usually they last a little bit longer and that's what we're trying to find. what is critical is that the teams out there searching for the surface debris, they get good position data on that and feed it back to the oceanographers to help us determine a probable point of impact from where the aircraft went in. >> and it's so crucial that that is pinpointed. victor, right now we are looking at 100,000 square miles. commander matthews tells me it has to get closer to 1,000 square miles. >> paula, thank you. >> i want to go to jim clancy, again, who is in kuala lumpur. emotional day for the families they seem to be banding together

as they made specific demands to the malaysian government saying we want evidence, we want truth and what specifically are they demanding? walk us through what they want the malaysian government to do? >> from the very start, they're demanding an apology for the statement that was put out that all souls were lost. they don't want that to be true. and everybody understands that. they want what they say are the technical answers they couldn't get from representatives of the airline, even from senior air force generals and others that went up to beijing and talked with them. they came here with demands and a lot of raw emotion, christi. listen to the head of their delegation. >> translator: we are struck with sadness and urgency. the meetings in china were not fruitful, so-called senior technical delegates helped with

meetings but when pressed with our questions, the only response they need to go back and inquire and wait for the evidence to come. therefore, we're here with these goals. we want evidence, we want truth and we want our family. >> now, obviously, the most heartbreaking part of all of this is, but the truth is, nobody knows. not in beijing, not here in kuala lumpur. they don't have the answers they want to hear. this is very difficult for these families. they have been in the situations where their emotions have been raised and their emotions have been dashed and dueverybody understands it is very hard on them. back to you. >> jim clancy, of course, we do. jim clancy and paula newton, thank you, both. >> and you know that time is so crucial here because once the pinger on the black box dies, it

is going to be so much harder to find this wreckage. >> much more difficult. let's bring in cnn safety analyst david, the author of "why planes crash." we're three weeks into this search and still no concrete evidence. we heard that one of the suspicious object was a dead jelly fish. do you think that search teams are going to find the black boxes before they stop pinging? the question here is, seven days left of the battery life and in three days, possibly, the u.s. resources to detect the resources will go into the water? why now? why not earlier? >> well, the reason is the tow pinger locater is towed behind the boat. you have ten miles of cables. the swath of the pinger locater detector is not that wide. we're not talking miles, we're talking literally hundreds of feet. so, you've got to tow it all the

way across. remember she said earlier we have to get it down by 100, 100 miles finding debris and might have had the impact of a scatter point. we're talking about a technical operation. ten miles of cables and has to go ten miles past to make the turn to come back to do another swath on it. very technical operation and very time consuming. >> it's not as if they have narrowed this search area down any more than they had five days ago, ten days ago. they're guessing now it would have been a guess a week ago. >> i wouldn't say guess, it's more about hypothesis and taking information about where the aircraft most probably have ended its flight. so, i think that the data is correct. i think they're in the right area, just a large, large area. we had, as was said earlier, there's no information. no one really has anything.

we're going with what the best there is. that's all they have to go by. >> david, that's what i wanted to ask you about. the fact that they're sending this ship out there, the ocean shield, that displays they're very confident they're going to find something and a lot of people are watching this thinking, how are you so confident? give me, if you would, your two or three -- your personal two or three reasons why you believe this plane crashed in the indian ocean where they're searching? >> well, one of the reasons, the primary reason is the pings that we received from the satellite between the satellite and the airplane. and between, i talked with people at digital globe and i asked them about it and other people here, satellite experts who used to be cia and they know how to do this stuff and i asked them about the math. they explained it to me and i'm very confident that that aircraft went exactly on that path. so, that's the primary reason. the secondary reason is that in figuring out what the range is

of the aircraft, even if it was at 35,000 feet versus 12,000 feet at a slower speed, it still would had the range to get to that location. that last ping. that little last-minute ping reach out to the satellite indicates to me the engines have quit or some type of emergency on the aircraft. those three things together tell me that we're looking in the right place. >> what is the window here if this goes on? we're several days into the search. several more resources. very large area but if dead jelly fish and trash and debris is just all that these search crews find, at what point would these analysts reanalyze and take a second look at the data and consider maybe they aren't in the right area? >> well, you know, that's constantly being reevaluated. an investigation team, the responsibility of the members of the team is to question each

other and to question each other's data. remember, we're talking about very little information here and talk about the level of confidence in the information that you have. that does continually change. that is one of the biggest concerns in any investigation. >> all righty. david, we appreciate your expertise today. thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you, david. >> thank you for having me. we'll continue this conversation in a moment, but we also have to talk about the big search that's happening in washington state. a week later after this landslide search crews are sifting through the rubble trying to find those still missing after this deadly event. and this new development secretary of state john kerry is getting ready to meet with his russian counterpart in paris tonight over tensions in ukraine. [ telephone rings ] [ shirley ] edward jones. [ male announcer ] with nearly 7 million investors...

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secretary of state john kerry will meet with lavrov in paris today. topping their agenda easing tensions over ukraine. thousands of russian troops have gathered near the border between eastern ukraine and lavrov insists there is no intention to sending those troops into the soviet republic. >> translator: we have no intention or interest to cross the border of ukraine. we want to work collectively and want that lawlessness that to stop so that they take on their responsibility. >> nato secretary-general says the build up of russian troops is extremely worrying and he says the alliance sees it a concrete threat to ukraine.

now, here in the u.s. and washington state, searchers are still looking for the dirt and the hope of finding those missing after last week's landslide. >> the number of those kills now at 18 people. the number of unaccounted for has dropped from 90 to 30 now and our dan simon has more for us now. good morning, dan. >> victor and christi, authority are working hard to pin down who is missing and who may have died as a result of this landslide. 30 people are missing, that is down sharply from where it was when they said 90 people were missing and still a lot of people and crews working through the mud to try to locate bodies. this shows you the grim nature of it all, they are only finding body parts and that is making identifying a body very difficult for the medical examiner's office. >> rescuers are not always making full recoveries. often, they are making partial

recoveries and that is a challenge to the m.e.'s office as they try to identify the victims. >> reporter: the official death toll is now up to 18, but we know there are still bodies in the debris and this is still being called a search and rescue mission, but we should point out that cadaver crews are brought in to help crews locate body. >> dan simon, thank you very much. thanks, dan. in detroit, meanwhile, giant sinkhole has opened up in the middle of a busy street. this sinkhole exposed a gas line, too. so far no leaks, thankfully, have been noticed. but authorities say it could take a week or more to repair. still to come on "new day" if you think the flight has been a struggle and it has been, this is only the beginning. if and when they find something, the search under water will be even more daunting. we'll talk about that. when you have diabetes like i do,

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well, as we sit here with you, we know that searching ships and planes are in this new area in the indian ocean. and if you thought looking down from the sky was going to be a problem to try to find part of this wreckage, wait until you see what they have to deal with once they get below the surface. >> it's closer to perth, however, the ocean floor is mountainous. let's go to cnn's tom foreman to tell us more about the challenges below the surface of

the water. good morning, tom. >> good morning, how are you? you're absolutely right. this idea that we've been watching all of these images as they come in here and we look at satellite images they found something we don't know what that is. they see something on top of the water. this is just the beginning of the problem out here. and one of the reasons i say that, i want you to look at this, this image we talked about a lot. you see the area over here, the area they're focusing over here. this is about equal to the entire search area for the air france crash back in 2009. beyond this, of course, as you know, they've searched many, many areas. this was the air france area and that took two years and a tremendous amount of fmoney to find this. let me tell you why this is the case. think about the plane coming in here whenever it came in here. when it strikes the water' surface, it will drop down somewhere as it breaks up

between 1 1/2 to 2 miles in this area. then, as you mentioned, a mountainous terrain down here for all this talk of pingers and things like that. all it takes is some little ridges and things that make it harder to see the signal or hear something even if you're doing sonar. mapping the bottom of the ocean here is an incredibly complicated task that has to be done a grid at a time, a square at a time. in the air france crash by the time they finally found what they were after, which took two years, the actual space involved was only about the size aof a fw little football fields. getting down to this level, for all the talk of sonar and everything else, you're talking about something that can really only be used once you had success up here. as you both know, we've gone weeks and weeks now and we still don't have success now to give an idea of where to look below

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it is 6:28 right now. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. let's start with five things you need to know for your new day. >> the ocean search for flight 370 intensifying in the southern indian ocean this hour. australian warship being detected with a black box detector trying to hear the pings from the missing jet. that is due to start heading to the search area tomorrow. in the meantime, overnight passengers of chinese passengers demand an apology for the mixed messages they're getting. police arrested two people overnight at the university of arizona. this happened as unruly crowds swarmed the streets in tucson after arizona's loss to

wisconsin in the ncaa tournament. people hurled trash at officers. look at this video. the officers then responded with pepper balls and canisters. the good news here is that no serious injuries were reported. number three, a magnitude 1.4 earthquake rattled the los angeles area yesterday afternoon. this was just after that 5.1 quake struck the same region the day before. friday's quake resulted in toppled furniture, broken glass, several broken water mains and no significant damage reported in either event, thankfully. ahead this hour, more about predicting quakes in southern california. number four. tomorrow is the deadline to sign up for obama care or face a penalty for not having coverage. the white house says it's already seen a surge of last-minute sign. anyone who starts the application by tomorrow but cannot finish because of technical problems will get more time. number five, take a look at

this. brand-new photo of britain's duke and duchess of cambridge and 8-month-old son, george. the family dog, lupa there. the photo was taken at the royal family's residence. family heads to new zealand and australia next week. looks like a happy baby. this morning we're learning more about the personal flight simulator that was taken from the home of the pilot of flight 370. a law enforcement source tells cnn that forensic experts believe that data was overwritten on the flight simulator and not deleted in an effort to hide something. >> so, is it too soon to rule out foul play by the captain? bring in john ranson with us. thank you for being here. >> sure. >> the fact that investigators, they say they're not finish would their investigation of this yet, but they can conclude that what was deleted was not

deleted intentionally to hide something. is there anything anywhere in this investigation so far that you think points to the pilot doing something? >> no f not at all. i think the pilot has been show to have a background that may not cause him to be predisposed to do something to the airplane. that is not unexpected. >> do you think foul play could be ruled out on their part? >> it's too early. not to sigh thay that something take place that one of the two of them started. too early to tell one way or the other. >> one reason why so many people around the world are fascinated with this story and want answers about this is because so many people fly and there are boeing 777 everywhere. what do these unanswered questions, the lack of

information, what does that mean to the airline industry, to the flying public at large? >> well, luckily the 777 has been around a while millions of hours of flight time by now and shown to be very, very safe airplane. on the other hand, having this big question mark out there does put a little bit over the whole industry until we find out what happens. three phases of the recovery. first phase is to make sure they can find parts of the airplane, which has taken at least three weeks so far. the second will be to, once they found that, to actually find out where the wreckage is. the third will be to find out what caused the accident in the first place. and that could take a very long time for a question mark to be up there for that long. >> we were just talking about with tom foreman the fact that it's such a mountainous region underneath the water. in your experience in terms of

what you know about these planes, once it hits the water, we know it breaks apart to some degree. i was wondering what happens as it goes down if it hits one of those mountainous peaks, would it break apart even further making it more difficult or does it generally stay in tact once it starts sinking? >> i don't know that much about what the plane would do under the water. the more mountainous the tuta n terrain, the more difficult it would be to find. i was involved in the search for an airliner that crashed into a river and in that accident we knew right where the recorders were and it took us well over a week to find them. so, just the sheer magnitude of this recovery is difficult to imagine how they're going to find the recorders. >> now, in that investigation and that's interesting because we were talking during the break

about the possibility that the signal from the pinger could be blocked by the underwater mountains. did you find in your investigation of this search in the river that the terrain below the water can block the signal horizontally? >> no, in this case, the water was shallow enough and mostly the debris field was difficult to negotiate to find the recorders. now, when you get to deep water and there's things that could actually block the signal, that becomes an issue, as well. >> the families came out today overnight saying we want evidence, we want truth and we want our family. how vulnerable do you think is boeing, is malaysia air to lawsuits from this family, even if we don't find anything? >> i don't know how vulnerable they would be. i know that boeing's focus right now is just to assist in the accident recovery and investigation as well as they can.

so, i'm sure there is a side of boeing that is used to be sued whenever there is any incident that involves a boeing airplane. and most any component on the airplane, they know they're probably not shield from being approached with lawsuits, even this early in the investigation. >> john, we talked a lot about the pilots, the captain, the co-p co-co co-pilot, their families, their family lives and we don't know much of anything about the crew members, the crew members there. do we think we should and why possibly haven't we heard much about that? >> there is privacy issues. this is a very difficult time for all of them, as it is for the passengers. so, i think over a period of time information about them will come out, if their families want it, it should. each of them has a story and in any accident, you find out little pieces of that story and it's intriguing. >> all right.

>> aviation's safety specialist john ransom, thank you so much for joining us this morning. >> thank you. for more on the active search for flight 370, we want to bring in meteorologist al alexandra steele, weather has hampered efforts, what does it look like today? >> listening to john talking about the difficulty within 200 yards in a river and this is the area we're looking for. right, talk about a needle in a haystack. haven't even found the haystack. here, of course, is where we are. that sonar could be heard to a depth of 20,000 feet and bouncing off these mountains that are actually these boulders under water that are the size of houses. so, here's a look. there it is. there's the size of new mexico, the search area. the depth of the water is really immense and you certainly can see this broken bridge that we have been talking about.

kind of like an underwater cliff. so, the sonar bouncing off all of these massive boulders that are as big as homes. the depth here, two to four miles deep within the water. contingent upon where it's found in the search area, kind of the northern portion is a little more shallow and also a little flatter than the southern portion, more rocky terrain. also these objects you can see, unbelievable. they can move 25 miles at least in a day, that's why they're finding these potential pieces hundreds of miles from each other, because these currents are so strong and sometimes they're even stronger. farther north, they're stronger than farther south within this parameter, the size of new mexico. so, there's the average height of the wave, which is six feet in height. now, compare that to the old search area where the heights of the waves were between 16 and 19 feet high. so, so many variables. old location, new location within this location. many variables, as well. in terms of the forecast, this

is a forecast model looking out. so, what we see, we've got some wet weather. also, of course, the winds for their searching will be rough. 20 to 30-mile-per-hour wind gusts. we're back at that, again. of course, here's the weather day by day. monday the weather will be rough and tuesday we're looking at decent weather and all these areas of low pressure and wednesday it is bad, christi, thursday it is going to be good and then we get into some more rougher, seas, as we s rougher, seas, as weeas, as wel. left cracked buildings and broken glass and relatively minor damage. but could these tremors mean the area is getting closer to the area is getting closer to the big one? ...return on investment wall isn'teet... isn't the only return i'm looking forward to... for some, every dollar is earned with sweat, sacrifice, courage.

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>> everything's fallen over. cracks inside our building and the floor separated from the walls. everything fell off. our kitchen's a mess. it got worse as it went on. i didn't think it would be as bad as this. i didn't think there would be so much damage. jennifer lives in los angeles and describing that 5.1 magnitude earthquake that rattled the los angeles area friday. it was followed by several after shocks and another 4.1 earthquake on saturday. >> a lot of toppled furniture, broken glass and even broken water main and i'm thinking probably some rattled nerves, too, at this point. >> these earthquakes were yet another reminder that california lies along a fault line, several

fault lines and that a mega quake could devastate the region. >> l.a. mayor came out and said, after friday, he said tonight's earthquake is the second in two weeks and remind us to be prepared. prepared for what is the question. seismologists were wondering, can they predict the big one and when it will hit that area at all. nick valencia finds out. >> major earthquake. at 8:00 we have one that was about only 3.6 this one felt like it was about a 10. >> reporter: may have felt like a 10 to this cnn ireporter but friday night's earthquake was no where near the big one and, still, people are wondering. is there a chance that tonight's earthquake could be a before a bigger earthquake? >> 5% of california earthquakes are followed by something larger within three days. >> reporter: one of the strongest in california since the devastating 1994 north ridge

earthquake, 20 years ago. that quake registered 6.7 on the richter scale, killing more than 50 people and causing an estimated $42 billion in damage. cnn meteorologist alexandra steele says the chance for a catastrophe like north ridge exists wherever a fault line is present. >> constantly moving and it's composed of enormous rock that's slowly moving underneath our feet. when they rub and touch and crash against each other or crack, then there is there is this massive release of energy and an earthquake. >> reporter: but the big one is unpredictable. >> in the last 100 years we can detect them and know their origin and magnitude, but one thing yet we don't know is when they will happen. >> reporter: scientists still can't predict the big one, that hasn't stopped some from imagining the dooms day scenario. california has a 40% chance of a magnitude 7.5 or larger and that

it would likely hit southern california. a recent earthquake study tried to envision what would happen if the big one did hit. >> the waves travel through that corridor towards los angeles and are essentially guided into the basin that underlies los angeles. once they're in the basin, they reverberate and get amplified and cause stronger shaking. >> reporter: the scale of disaster that hopefully won't become a reality any time soon. nick valencia, cnn, atlanta. >> thank you, nick. as we try to understand what happens on flight 370. martin savidge is taking on a harrowing ride inside a 777 simulator. you'll get a virtual look at how flight 370 may have gone down into the ocean. [ male announcer ] this is jim.

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49 minutes past the hour right now. they have not ruled out foul play in the disappearance of malaysian airlines flight 370. however, one of the stronger theories coming out by experts is that there was some sort of mechanical failure or fire onboard which is really frightening when you think this plane could have been flying on auto pilot for hours. what was that like? what did it mean? >> with no one in control and no one watching the controls. so, we go now into a flight simulator with cnn's martin savidge to show us what might have happened during the 777 mysterious last hours and its final descent. martin, good morning.

>> good morning, victor. good morning, christi. as this new effort is focused on the new search site, we have been looking at ways of the 777 might have gone down. this is important to know because how it went into the water could depend on the debris or wreckage that is found. set it up so that the engines are shutting down now. this is to simulate running out of fuel. what we're going to do is leave the auto pilot on. if the auto pilot were off it might make a gentle descent towards the ocean but tumble when it hit the water. with the auto pilot still on, you get a different effect. what are we seeing here? >> the engines are both shut down here. this is the left engine and the right engine, engine shut down. basically the temperatures are cooling down and it is decreasing. >> without any engines we're not really climbing any more. >> no. >> the aircraft trying to

maintain altitude. >> you can see here we'll stall in a few second and we're going to maintain 9,000 feet. an airplane now is going to start stalling because it doesn't have any more forward thrust. >> hold the nose up, even though it cannot. there's the first signal. and, now, that's the stick shaker. >> meaning the stick would start shaking to warn the pilots would stall. >> the aircraft has lost lift and the nose is coming up, coming up dramatically. now, the sink rate alarm is going off which means we're starting to fall. aircraft becomes extremely unstable and you can tell that by the horizon and we're literally now falling tail first into the water and i think we'll stop it before we reach that point because it's really too severe to show you. so, that's one way that this aircraft might have gone down. and it would have struck the

ocean with great force. >> martin savidge, thank you so much. >> thank you, martin. the families continuing to grieve now have gone some of them from china to malaysia. they're demanding answers and taking a look at what sort of long, hard, legal battle may be ah ahead for them and how much malaysia air may be reliable here. she loves a lot of the same things you do.

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a demand, not just a chant there in malaysia and they're saying, we want evidence. we want truth. we want our family. that's what dozens of flight 370 families are demanding now after more than three weeks of heart ache and confusion and, of course, the mixed messages. >> and this, this news conference here just really showed their agony as they were demanding answers, not just answers but transparency, specifically from officials in malaysia. >> criminal defense attorney brian silver joins us now with more on what is next for these understandably devastated families. good to have you this morning. the first question here, what are their rights here? i would imagine in many ways some people would feel powerless, but what are their rights? >> well, first of all, we have

to understand that this case, if the legal matter does develop is going to be about getting the truth for these victims. not about profitability as most people might think, but their rights as victims are the number one thing that is going to drive this case. this will be a wrongful death action. so, whenever you lose a family member, god forbid a parent, sibling, child, you have the right to get compensation for that loss. from a legal perspective, that's what it is going to be about in the courtroom. >> the bottom line is the plaintiffs need a viable theory of negligence to bring about a lawsuit. >> absolutely. >> how can families find negligence if we can't even find the plane right now? how does that all work? >> i get that question all the time. quite frankly, just like a homicide case where they don't have a body. there are other sources of evidence, other than knowing that the plane actually crashed and where it crashed. you know, number one, for instance. we know this plane was intentionally diverted. that is a fact that everybody

agrees on it. number two, the data com was -- there is a slew of theories of liability. for instance, why did boeing design an airplane where you can disconnect the data com? we live in a post-9/11 world where the nsa can follow my cell phone 24/7. why can't we know where a jet airplane is full of passengers? it's just unacceptable. that would have been a very affordable, cheap thing for them to do to find this airplane. second, why did the government of malaysia not seek help from other countries? you know, it's very clear they flubbed this whole investigation and i think they lost valuable, precious time where there may have been survivors floating in the water but now three weeks, four weeks going on much later, the likelihood of a viable survivor is just very little. and i think it's because they flubbed it. that's just one or two theories you can come up with that are very clear based on the accepted

evidence and facts that we have today. >> so, we know that malaysia airlines is the flag carrier of malaysia. owned by the malaysian government. how insulated is the malaysian government from these lawsuits that will, obviously, mount up? >> well, i think they're a step removed. obviously, the main players the airline and potentially boeing. you know, the secondary liability comes on how they flubbed the investigation and the search and rescue effort. you know, so, they will have liability in that aspect. but i don't think the government of malaysia necessarily is a primary actor in what caused the plane to go down, unless this is a terror event. if there was a mistake in how they handled security, let's say at the airport where they screened people, that's something the government controls. not the airline and not the individual passengers, obvio obviously. that could be a source of liability. that could assume facts we're not 100% sure yet. better theories of liability based on what we already know.

>> criminal defense attorney brian silver, thank you so much for cleaning some of that up for us. >> thank you, brian. >> thank you. it's already 7:00 on a sunday morning, i hope that breakfast, coffee is good for you so far, i'm christi paul. >> beautiful start to the day, i'm victor blackwell. 7:00 out on the east and 4:00 out west. the search for malaysian airline 370. >> this is such a massive effort here. we're talking about ten aircraft today and several ships combing through that new search area right now as we're speaking. and they're trying to find any sign of that jet that has been missing for 23 days. we do know that one of the objects spotted yesterday by a chinese ship an orange object turned out to be a dead jelly fish. nothing there, but some other

suspicious objects have been retrieved already and are in the process of being identified. >> as you know, time is running out to find the plane's black boxes. right now an australian ship is being fitted with the u.s. navy's high-tech black box detector and also a special underwater vehicle that is kind of pulled behind it, towed behind it. the ship is the ocean shield and expected to leave port tomorrow and could take about three days to reach that search area and that matters because the battery on the black boxes, the digital flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder, those are expected to last maybe seven days more. >> meanwhile, back in malaysia dozens of angry relatives are demanding answers from malaysian airlines. they did this in a fiery news conference carrying banners, begging officials, literally begging them to give them "truth, evidence and an apology" for sending mixed messages of

hope and despair. >> malaysian authorities say they're doing everything they can to find the missing plane, of course. >> jim clancy following the search for us out of kuala lumpur, malaysia. we heard from the prime minister today, is that right? >> yes, we did. heard from him on a range of subjects. you know, the families are here to stress the point that they want this search to continue until they have a definitive answer about their relatives and people have been talking, you know, this isn't a cheap search. a lot of fuel costs involved, a massive area. as you noted we have ten planes out today, eight ships are on station and a lot of assets out there and they're increasing the technological capability of all that. listen to what prime minister tony abbot had to say. >> it's costing what's necessary

to do the job proper lay. a we will spend what we need to spend to get this job done. let's not forget that apart from the, amongst the 239 poeople wh perished on that plane, six australian citizens and we owe it to the families, particularly the australian families, to do what we can to resolve this mystery. >> so, australia is committed, but when you look at the possibility duration of the search in an area this size, people begin to ask themselves, is this going to become the most expensive search in the history of aviation? they may not be wrong, but there is a determination to go ahead. at least here in the short term, no one wants to give it up. the aviation industry wants answers, the families want answers. all people that travel on airlines want answers.

the public is very much involved. christi, victor? >> absolutely. we saw that the families for weeks were there in beijing waiting for answers and now dozens of the family members are in malaysia demanding transparency and the answers and they want their family back. >> they want their families back and it may be asking for too much. we all know what the families really want. they want for someone to tell them that their loved ones have been found safe. they'll be home this weekend walking through their door, but nobody can tell them that because it's not true. it's a very difficult situation to put the malaysia government in. they demanded an apology today from the malaysian government for coming out with a statement that the aircraft was believed lost in the middle of the indian ocean with all souls aboard. if the government hadn't announced that, if they hadn't announced that technical data that was given to them, they

would be accused of a cover up. so, it's not easy for the people here in kuala lumpur, either, trying to come up with answers. >> jim clancy, thank you so much. we appreciate it. fbi forensic examiners looking at the computer hard drive that belongs to the captain of flight 370. data was deleted from that hard drive. no one was sure why, but a law enforcement official now tells cnn investigators do believe the deleted data was simply overwritten. that it wasn't deleted in an effort to hide anything. >> of course, search crews have only about a week left to find the plane's black boxes at least using that ping because the batteries soon are going to die. >> cnn aviation analyst inspector general with the u.s. transportation department and author of "why planes crash"

david with us, as well. i know you've seen the pictures. does it look like sea garbage or something from the flight? any indication, mary, let's go to you first that you look at it and say, it could be something significant? >> nothing jumps out at me as being clearly from a plane. you know, maybe the instructions in the seat pocket are laminated, so, nothing doesn't jump out at me yet. doesn't look like airplane parts to me yet. >> so, david, the pingers on the black box could expire in seven days, some say maybe it will last for another ten days, maybe 12 at the most. if they do not find them using the pingers, we know they can't use infrared because no temperature change under there. how would they find these black boxes without that ping?

>> the only way is just to get down there with the machines and take photographs and scan the area. it's just tedious and very long. it will take a long time to get to that point. >> mary, i wanted to ask you, we were talking about these families and what their demands are. they were demanding answers, as we said, comprehensive evidence they want, as well, from the malaysian government and they also want apologies. they want the malaysian government to apologize for the information that caused confusion in the early weeks, as well as they want them to apologize for the irresponsibility announcing that that plane has crashed. if the malaysian government would apologize, would that not give credence to liability to them? and because of that, do you expect the malaysian government to do so? >> no, i think that what people need to realize, especially people in government is governments can apologize without risking liability

because governments are pretty much immune from liability. it's called immunity. our government, also. so, anything that a government does where it's discretionary. should we announce this? should we not? should we investigate? should we not? by the way in our own country for the government's role in 9/11, they were completely immune. the government doesn't have any -- i think an apology would go a long way. you can't take back the fact that the plane is presumed to be in the ocean. you want to always give them the truth, but, you know, a little tenderness might go a long way. >> but, mary, if the government is immune and the government owes malaysia airlines, how does that work in terms of liability? >> no, it's a different part of the government. when the government has a company that it runs and it's running an airline, there's something in the law called

they're doing a business, it's like a government business or a proprietary business. so, you can sue the airline, particularly since the airline is insured. it has a billion dollars of insurance and in the u.s., every major carrier flight is insured for $1.5 billion. they have insurance and they have insurance because the international treaties require them to have it. the airline must be responsible under the montreal treaty and it will be responsible. by the way, the burden shifts to the airline. the passengers don't have to show what the airline did. under the montreal treaty, the airline is libel, unless the airline can show they took all reasonable measures to prevent the accident. and i don't think the airline can show that here. so, the burden is going to be less on the passengers in proving this lawsuit than people might think because of the montreal treaty. >> david, next step in this search, we've talked a little

earlier about the u.s. equipment that is going in on to the australian ocean shield to search for these black boxes. they've got this towed pinger locater and the blue pin 21, the two resources of the u.s. government. why are there only two? are they rare? are the other countries involved in this search bringingtheirs, as well? i'm just surprised just the two from the u.s. are making their way to the south indian ocean? >> you would think that there would be more, but, again, remember, we have to get this area down to a small area for the pinger to do its job. there is a ten-mile cable behind it. if you could imagine having two ships crossing and trying to cover this area. if they decide to go with a bigger search area, might be a need for two. they're hoping to get it down to a small enough area where one ship will be sufficient. as far as the blue fin, yeah, they're very rare and very

expensive and very rare. but, again, it has to be requested from the malaysian government as to what they're asking for there. >> all right, mary schiavo, david socie, thank you. the ocean shield that is headed there. >> it's base claeg goiiically g the underwater pinger out to sea. you must think they're pretty confident in the area if this is what they are ready to send. still digging out for survivors in washington state. new information overnight on the number of those unaccounted for in this landslide. the great american novel. so you can happily let life get in the way,

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live look at the p3 orion from the royal australian air force just returning after searching this new search area in the south indian ocean. we're expecting a press conference led by lieutenant russell adams in just a few moments updating if pilots saw anything of interest, if they've marked anything. we know that they drop a smoke flare and then drop a gps unit in any case that they see something that hopefully the ships can get to to determine if it is part of malaysian airline 370. >> that pinger locater we have been talking about this morning is the best chance of recovering wreckage from flight 370, if it is there. >> the device is being fitted on to an australian ship today. the ocean shield along with special underwater vehicles, as well. scheduled to depart for the search area some time tomorrow. paula newton is live in perth,

australia. you were onboard "ocean shield" earlier today. tell us about it. >> busy day onboard and also a sobering day. i think, victor, when you look at all that equipment and we discussed the bluefin-21 and underwater submergible and it can actually comb the sea bed and then the ping locater, which is so important. it can hear the signals coming from the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder from about a mile away. all good stuff. the problem, victor, right now with this search zone still being so large that it is really still a tall order. i, though, did speak to commander mark matthews with the u.s. navy, he is in position right now and he was quite blunt about the task ahead. >> we certainly have our challenges in front of us. what we're trying to find is an acoustic admission from one of the pingers on the flight data.

typically the batteries clast for 30 days, usually they last a little bit longer and that's what we're trying to find. what is critical is that the teams out there searching for the surface debris they get good position data on that and they feed it back to the oceanographers to help us determine a probable point of impact for where the aircraft went in. >> you know, there are so many things that will be triggered by a piece of wreckage being found. what they'll do is try to back track and look at the drifts and the currents in the weather and hopefully be able to pinpoint that impact, as well on "ocean shield" australian specialists when they see any piece of wreckage delivered to them and be able to start to look at what kind of stress marks are on the wreckage, serial numbers and things like that and hopefully try to put the pieces of this puzzle together. again, all that equipment out there being deployed and, yet, really, it's useless until they

can narrow this search field. >> all right, paula newton, thank you so much. now, let's talk about washington state and the search there because they're still going through dirt hoping to find those missing after the deadly landslide. >> the number of those killed has now risen to 18. now, yesterday at this time, the number of people unaccounted for was at 90. overnight that was dropped to 30. our dan simon has more from washington. dan, good morning. >> victor and christi, authorities are working very hard to try to pin down who is actually missing and who may have died as a result of this landslide. 30 people are missing, down sharply from where it was when they said 90 people were missing and still a lot of people and crews have been working through the mud to try to locate bodies. in some cases, and this really shows you the grim nature of it all, they're only finding body parts and that's making identifying a body very difficult for the medical examiner's office.

>> we want to make clear that due to the destructive nature of the slide, rescuers are not always making full recoveries. often they are making partial recovery. and that's a challenge to the m.e.'s office as they try to identify these victims. >> the official death toll is now up to 18, but we know that there are still bodies in the debris and this is still being called a search and rescue mission, but we should point out the cadaver dogs have been brought in to help locate bodies. victor and christi, back to you. >> dan simon, thank you. we just heard from paula talking about flight 370 and how difficult it is to pinpoint anything on the surface. >> that's just the beginning. wait until the search moves to the ocean floor once debris on the surface is located. our tom forman will show us all the daunting challenges that are ahead for these search crews. ups is a global company, but most of our employees

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well, the ocean and the weather may be calmer in the new search area for flight 370 but certainly doesn't mean crews are any closer to finding that missing plane or solving this mystery. >> even if they do find debris on the surface, the search on the deep ocean floor will be daunting. cnn's tom foreman joins us now to explain. tom? >> hi, victor, hi christi, you can talk about this being two searches. the search being conducted above the water by high-tech planes and ships scouring all these areas out here particularly in the latest search zone out here and then another search that

goes on beyond this. they have to be treated as two different things. now, bear in mind, this latest search area out of the millions of square miles that we've talked about, the latest search area alone is as big as the air france search area entire one back in 2009. and there they had on the surface almost immediately. the first thing is you have to find something on the surface that tells you you're in the right place and we haven't even completed that. but once that is accomplished, if that is accomplished, then you go to the bigger task and the harder task of figuring out what happened beneath the surface, where the plane actually is. no matter how this plane came down to the water, if authorities are right, in the end, it would have broken up. gets torn apart by the forces of the water even if it was fully in tact before it hits the water and then scatters to some debris. we don't know how much scattered on the bottom. in the case of air france, it wasn't much. it only covered a few football

fields. but getting down to this depth which may be one miles, two miles or three miles depending where you are in the indian ocean and getting some kind of pingers down here or sonar down here because the pinger is such a shot in the dark and working through it to try to find where the plane might actually be is a monumental task. that will make the search above the water look comparably simple. i go back to where we started out with our search waters. this was the same size as the entire air france search area. this is just the latest search area here and in the case of air france, the underwater search took two years to find the missing plane. huge, huge job, no matter which of these searches you're talking about. >> tom foreman with us this morning, thank you. >> thanks, tom. we're awaiting a news

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just a smidge above 7:30, it will be in about 15 seconds. to show you're on time. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. the search for flight 370 intensifies in the southern indian ocean today. an australian ship is being fitted with high-tech black box detectors and trying to hear those pings from the missing jet. it's due to start heading to the search area tomorrow. now, today, relatives of chinese passengers are in malaysia. they are demanding an apology for the mixed messages they say they're getting from the malaysian government. >> an outbreak of the deadly virus ebola appears to be spreading in west africa now. health mintries in new guinea says ten new suspected cases across the country. an estimated 70 people have died of this virus already. senegal is closing its border to prevent the disease from spreading even further now. number three, secretary of state john kerry and foreign

minister lavrov due to meet this evening in paris. expected to talk about ways to resolve the crisis in ukraine peacefully. right now tensions are high along ukraine's border where at least 40,000 russian troops reportedly have gathered. number four in washington state, the searchers there are still digging through mud and debris hoping upon hope to find people missing after that monstrous landslide there. officials say the death toll is now 18, though the number of people unaccounted for has dropped to 30. it had originally been in the hundreds and now it is getting harder to identify victims in that rubble, as well. number five, a family dispute turns deadly in new york. an 86-year-old man shot his grandson after an apparent argument. after the argument they say the elderly man walked into this house, the house you just saw and fatally shot his grandson's

girlfriend before then turning the gun on himself. neighbors say this is not the first time police were called to that home. the grandson is in critical condition. turning back to our top story here this morning. the search for malaysian airlines flight 370. time is so critical to find that data recorder under ideal conditions. i mean, those black boxes, as you know, could have just one week of battery life left at this point. >> could be the key not only to finding wreckage, but, of course, learning how the jet was lost. we're joined now by veteran aviation correspondent. dr. arnot, good to have you. you say there is a lack of tr tranparency here. what should we know that we do not know? >> that is a great question. they have obscured all this data. we should know the latitude and longitude of each one of those

pings to determine whether it was a great circle route, which would mean that the way points were punched in and the pilots selected that route or more of a ghost plane. also, a fire in 2011, a flash fire in the cockpit of egyptair flight 667 and the question is, could this have been the scenario? you know, an oil field worker actually saw a fire above in the sky and it happened so quickly, there's no possible way of getting any communications in there. so, there's lots and lots that the malaysians know. now, american investigators don't sit by side with the malaysians. boeing, ntsb, faa behind the scenes have been complaining about data flow. this calculation that was done on these various ping points and what not they've done themselves but it took them weeks to do. this is 19th century physics. the kind of thing that if all of this data had been made more transparent, many more mind working on this to find this

field weeks ago as opposed to just now. >> more transparent might i asking, bob, to who? is security a reason why they may claim they're not sharing it? >> so, you know, christi, a really good question. in any organization of government people are always kind of holding on to data. they don't want to give it up and want other people doing their analysis. you have this military government in malaysia that is not used to sharing data, not used to sharing radar data. but what we know the main reason, christi, is that the malaysians are finding a leaky ship. that as they tell them something it gets in the news media. washington on the other hand is saying, we need this data. you know, finally, christi, you have boeing engineering solutions that is involved. great group. what really did happen out there? how did this fit with how the aircraft performs.

most importantly right now what they're doing, how did this airplane enter the water? did it enter it like egyptair where it came in at high speed and expect to find small pieces to tell the search crews, more like air france where it was a slow stall and came in at a slower speed, probably 200 knots so bigger pieces or the ethiopian flight that actually tried to land in the water with their huge pieces. i think now that boeing is involved, a better sense of exactly where that airplane went down and, of course, in terms of locating those pinger boxes, the big heavy parts of the aircraft are likely to be pretty close together, where the lighter parts that float could be all over the place. obviously, seat cushions could be blown anywhere with the wind. but the heavier components like wings or carbon fiber parts of the airplane could be just below the surface moving with the waves and easier to sort of retrograde back to where they believe the main body of the

airplane is. >> after the air france crash technic technical changes by the faa some going into effect next year and some in 2018. after this mystery, what should be the investigative, just give me a list of two or three investigative changes that should happen as it relates to several governments working together on an international investigation? >> so, victor, the number one thing that needs to happen is that we need to have real-time black boxes. now, a couple canadian companies that already do this. that means we can follow these aircraft around the world. but, let me tell you why this is so critically important. when they started to look at black boxes when there weren't crashes, they found pilot error. take the asiana crash in san francisco. this wasn't the first bad approach. so, if all of this is fed real time and not only catch something like this immediately, you could offer solutions to fighter jets immediately to take

a look at this. we're going to learn, again, if you look at the egyptair flight back in 2011, it took 90 minutes to put that fire out. this is on the ground. so a flash fire is something we need to know about. any fault in this airplane? we're only going to know that with the real-time black boxes. keep in mind, i was on a quanis flight and they have real-time reporting from the engines already. any sort of change in oil pressure or temperature, what not, they know before it strikes. victor, that's the number one thing, real-time reporting from the cockpits so it can catch pilot error early and so that in a situation like this, we could follow the airplane. one of your correspondents was saying we could follow everybody's cell phone around the world, why can't you follow airliners? >> former aviation correspondent dr. bob arnot, thank you so much

for speaking with us this morning. think about it, we're 23 days in on this thing without definitive answers about what happened to this flight. as he was talking about this black box, a lot of questions you had, as well. >> i went down to south florida and spoke with a ceo of a company who buys commercial planes and refurbishes them including malaysian airlines boeing 777. i asked him about the plane's data recorders and what is inside these things. >> they consist of three parts. you have the element which records. and the power unit in the back. >> abdul, these are the beacons that are sending out these pings. >> yes, they are. a sensor on the sides here activated by water. once those are activated, they will send out a ping signal that will be picked up by tracking devices that will look for these

specific pings. >> what is the possibility, i'm seeing these are just simple screws here that the beacon isn't connected to the black box, that they're in different place. >> well, first and foremost, the beacon is self-contained. it has its own power. so, it is running on its own and if it's dislodged, it will still send out its signal and hopefully that's close to where the rest of the unit is. but these are put in the vertical stabilizer of the aircraft where it's typically the last part of an aircraft impact whatever it's impacting. so, typically, these are very close to, if not still attached to the aircraft. >> now, according to the new faa regulations anyone after february who makes one of these has to increase the battery life from 30 days to 90 days. what is the impact on airlines? >> it won't be much. you know, the cost of a battery maybe a few thousand dollars, but in the overall sense of what

it means to a search party looking for it, it makes all the difference in the world. >> let me ask you this, do you think it's time to rethink the concept of the black box? maybe during the flight, transmit via satellite or radio transition just the basic information about the flight and to store it somewhere on land. >> i think it definitely should happen. i think the challenge, who does it, who pays for it and where is all that data stored? the world would have to get together and come up with something that would allow them to constantly track every movement of an aircraft. >> you know, those faa regulations we talked about also extend into 2018 requiring a stronger pinger, lower frequency, farther distance and also attaching one to the air frame so that it would help the crews find the debris. >> easier. oh, boy. so, another element, another

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doing. they were making sure their voices were heard. chanting we need evidence. we need truth. this was at a fiery news conference today in malaysia where the families from china have traveled to go back there. they're pleading for three things, they want answers from the malaysian government and an apology for what they call confusing information as well as an apology for announcing that the plane crashed before finding any solid, tangible evidence of that i mean, their anguish is so evident from everything that we've seen from them. and the pain can be almost unbearable, especially in a situation like this where you don't have answers. we can't even imagine what they're going through. >> and a lot of false evidence. and remember, the grieving process is not only eating away at their spirit but it is difficult to deal with psychologically. and it is also taking a toll on the body. cnn's medical doctor sanjay

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secretary of state john kerry and russian foreign minister sergei lavrov are due to meet in paris. now, they're expected to talk about how to resolve the crisis in ukraine peacefully. right now the tensions are high along the border there. 40,000 troops have gathered there. >> jim, i am really curious, what prompted president putin to out of the blue it seemed to most of us, call president obama and facilitate this? is it the sanctions? is it getting kicked out of the g8? do we have any indication of where we go from here? >> i think you have to ask president putin that, we don't know, basically with the case of why we don't know why he amassed troops there along the border. we don't know what prompted him to back off.

we got very positive signs in the last 48 hours after the phone call between obama and putin, 48 hours ago. now there is an interview that popped up in moscow with the foreign minister, sergei lavrov. here is what he had to say. >> we have absolutely no intention or interest to cross the border of ukraine. we just really want to work collectively and want that lawlessness which western countries are trying to hide and present in graceful colors in pink to stop so that they take on their responsibility. >> lavrov in fact sounded kind of conciliatory there. and hopefully he will be making those same kind of points when he meets with john kerry later on this evening in paris. kerry was on his way back to the united states from the middle east. in fact landed in ireland. came down to paris. he thought it was that important

to meet with lavrov. so that meeting will take place in paris. >> all right, cnn's jim biderman, thank you. the next hour of your new day starts right now. it is just about 8:00 on a sunday morning so sit back and relax. you deserve it. you're allowed. >> i'm victor blackwell, 5 out on the west coast, this is "new day sunday." and this morning, new efforts in the search for missing malaysia airlines flight 370. of course, this search area was in the end ocean. >> it is such a massive endeavor, ten air ships combing through the area. right now, some are on their way back but they're trying to find the signs of the missing jet. one of the objects spotted yesterday we know by a chinese ship, an orange object turned

out to be a dead jelly fish. but there were other objects to be retrieved that have yet to be identified. >> well, you know the time has run out to find the pinger, and the ship fitted with the u.s. navy's black box detector. that ship is the ocean shield that could take about three days, depending on a few other factors to reach the search area. the travel time is critical because the battery on the black box pinger is only expected to last maybe a week more, maybe up to ten days. >> yeah, back in malaysia, dozens of angry relatives of the chinese passengers on board were demanding answers overnight from malaysian officials specifically. you see them here carrying their banners. they were pleading with officials to give them quote, evidence and the truth. and they want an apology for sending mixed messages and the hope and despair that we have

been seeing. let's discuss the latest issues, miles o'brien, mark weiss, mark is also a retired airlines pilot. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> so when you see the objects and we know that the video is not great because it is shot at night here. they were pulled out of the ocean. it is hard to tell what we're looking at. mary, you said nothing jumps out at you. we're starting with you, miles, the mark. anything you see here of any interest? >> well, i don't think you can exclude it from being on an aircraft. but there is nothing that would say could it be the placards, the emergency exit information? you know, you have to ask yourself what kinds of paper would survive something like that or is it something that fell off a fishing boat? hard to say. >> mark? >> i agree, i mean, you would have seen something lying an exit sign, some of the magazines in the back of the seat. perhaps some of the passengers'

personal effects or small luggage that would have been floating. but so far it is nothing. >> you know, mary, we were talking about the families here. and their pleas today to the malaysian government. one of the families here, they were also asking for organized meetings and some of the direct service companies including boeing. they say it has been 22 days, nobody from those companies came to see us. are you surprised or alarmed that nobody has reached out to the families yet other than malaysian air? >> well, no, i'm not surprised that boeing has not. boeing usually takes a hands-off approach. and in the united states, the ntsb makes it very clear to all parties to the investigation and basically a party to an investigation is anyone who could potentially be responsible. the ntsb asked them not to do

that. so boeing is trained not to you know, making a lot of conversation with anyone involved. but what happens is they usually involve briefings and they set up the briefings so the family members get that funneled through the investigators so it is much more organized. and i think if the malaysians do that or have done that, they can still do it, is set up the briefings so they know what input is being given to the investigation. for example, boeing is participating and yet the families don't know that. and that is unfortunate, because if they would know that they would understand what is going on. again, i think it is the fault of the investigators for not having these daily briefings. >> you know, we have had this conversation i guess five days, ten, 15 days, we're approaching 23 days. i have asked at different points is there a point where this investigation should go to an independent body and how that could happen? because we know even today there is new information coming out

that is being analyzed or viewed in a different way that the malaysian airlines have had for sometime now. have we reached that point? >> well, you know, i think it would be very great if the countries would have the ability to conduct an investigation like this. if you're going to fly a triple 7 that should be part of the rules of the road as it were. it will be interesting to see how events move toward australia and the parts will be gathered there. to some extent, i think the australians might in a de facto way take a little more of a lead in this investigation. and i think probably that would be good. >> mark, i wanted to ask you, the australian naval officials say ocean shield, which is the ship trying to locate the flight data recorders, is leaving tomorrow and should arrive in that area in about three days. that fact that they're sending that specific ship out there for that speculaific reason makes i sound like they are very

confident that the plane went down somewhere in this area. give me -- but a lot of people say how can they be so confident when they haven't found anything tangible yet. give me your top two or three reasons why you think the plane is indeed in this area and it went down in the indian ocean. >> well, first of all, i'm not sure we're that confident. we have been down this road before. i think what they have done now is absolutely narrow down the field. narrow down the area. but remember, it is still the size of new mexico. it is still a very large area. i think what you're doing now is based on the pingers, based upon the new fuel calculations, perhaps altitude calculations to see that the distance that the aircraft could have traveled, i think what they're trying to do is remember, the pingers only have a small shelf life left to them. and i think what they're trying to do now is take the limited resources that are out there and use them most effectively to try to capture the sounds while

there is still an opportunity. >> all right, mary, mark, okay as well -- i'm just getting in my ear that the news conference in perth has just begun. lieutenant russell adams with the australian air force will give an update on whether anything has been found. >> from our perspective this was the most visibility we have had of any objects in the water and gave us the most promising leads. the weather is great and hopefully if it continues like this we'll continue to find objects in the water. i'm happy to take your questions, thanks. >> with the stories a little bit late -- >> when we went on station today, we had fuel to hold for approximately four to five hours. because we were investigating a few contacts we stayed in one area for a bit longer, which caused us to extend our own station time. and we really wanted to investigate those objects and

give us the best chance of identifying them before we came home. >> what kind of pressure are you on the -- >> i don't feel as though the crew is under any pressure from the media, as such. i think the most amount of pressure we put is on ourselves to perform professionally and to do our jobs as well as we can, for professional aviators. we want to be sure we go out and fly the best aircraft to find the family members. we passed the coordinate zone, and any imagery we took today will be passed along to the rescue coordination center. and from there they will analyze the images and see if it is determined for the service vessels to recover them. we can't confirm what the origin of the objects in the waters were, just the fact we found

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. 11 minutes past the hour, we just heard from lieutenant russell adams with the australian air force, with the p-3 orion that came in just after searching the new area in the indian ocean. and they did say that they detected many objects in the

water, specifically know caught their interest, four orange colored objects about six and a half feet in length. and again, all the sightings are being passed on to coordinates who will analyze it and decide to go on from there. >> let's bring in our panel, mark, we have the four orange colored objects that are six and a half feet in length, anything pop out to you and say it could be this or that? >> well, it might be something, a cluster of life preservers or it could be a life raft for all we know. we don't know if it is in a single piece or broken apart. but that is potentially something that could have come from an airplane. >> okay, miles, what about you? >> well, i would like to know -- i have not heard what color the rafts were on this particular aircraft. mark may know if it is standard or not. orange is certainly one the colors you use to make it

identifiable for either a life vest or raft. six and a half feet is kind of too small to be a raft and too big to be a life preserver. but again, sometimes this stuff clusters or breaks apart. certainly it will get your attention. >> yeah, the last object sighted turned out to be -- >> yeah, a jelly fish. mary, i wanted to ask you about the visibility of this search. they're saying they had some of the best visibility that they have had so far. does that give you hope that what they're seeing down there is probably possibly more significant than what they have seen in the past? >> well, the visibility does. and also that they say they're seeing more objects. the life vests on the plane are probably yellow, not orange. so that is not heartening to me. and the slides, the evacuation slides that are used as life rafts are yellow. but there are also on board ones that could be orange.

but they're bigger than that. so what gives me hope is that there are more objects and the visibility will let them find out what they are. so i don't know that the current sight is so hopeful. but the number is hopeful. >> mary, i'm going to stick with you on this question. we know that there are at least ten planes involved. several ships in the area, as well. we know that the battery on the black box ping eer is going to e within the next few days or so. do you expect that this acceleration of this search will be up to that point? or because we know it will be so much more difficult to find the black boxes that after the pinger dies the search effort will accelerate after that. because you're going to need more people because you have fewer resources from the actual box to find it? >> no, i think from what we have been hearing, they have geared up. and the increase in resources is already occurring. i think that the new coordinates and moving the search area,

those 680 miles to the north was when they beefed up the assets and the resources. so i think the beef-up has already occurred. the issue is going to be keeping that intensity and keeping that level as the days you know, drag on. so what i'm really hoping is that they start to find something so countries don't wonder whether it is wise to continue to commit their assets. if they start to find debris they will keep that going until they have exhausted the debris field. i just worry that they have got to find something to keep that effort up. >> hey, miles, and if people are just joining us, i just want to reiterate the news that we just got. the plane, the ps orion just came back and detected four objects that are about six and a half feet in length in the search area. so they have the sightings and passed them onto the coordinates

and they will analyze it. how long does that process take? because as we sit here and watch you know it is torture to wait. and it seems like it is taking a long time but i'm sure it is probably chaotic there. any gauge? >> well, it is a little quicker than basing things on satellite imagery, which has a little more lag time. in theory, you can get to it more quickly, but the ocean is a dynamic place. and whatever you see in one moment is not going to be there the next. so by the time a ship with its speed limit gets to the actual sight of the orange object it may very well have gone somewhere else. as a matter of fact it stands to reason it will. so that is the challenge, you know, getting -- finding these things, making sure you don't run out of daylight to get them. being lucky to find something that is in closer proximity to a ship. it is a huge challenge and not a

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20 minutes after the hour now, and we just learned from an australian naval officer that search engines saw four objects,

the sightings will be further analyzed. they will go back to the rescue coordination center and then they will be analyzed further. and every day we get grainy pictures that show potential debris from the plane. thank you for joining us, we appreciate you being here. do you think the grainy pictures, i mean, we look at them and in today's technological world, is this the best we can do? >> well, this is a range of items, and the countries are contributing what they have. whether is is the thai, the japanese, the chinese early on, some speculation about whether or not they were actually taken by their spy satellites and quote unquote, dumbed down. so there are a range of

capabilities that everyone has around the globe, so you're seeing everybody trying to contribute to the best of their ability. >> speaking of the search capabilities, what do you make of that? >> i don't think it should be a surprise to anybody, victor. there are a number of things happening simultaneously right now. you have a maritime search operation. you have a criminal investigation. you have an intelligence problem and you have an air safety issue. so everything is in until it is definitively ruled out. right, we have everybody from fbi cyber experts going over this gentleman's flight simulator to oceanographiers talking about the conditions. so it really should not be a surprise to anybody that anybody who will contribute to the issue will be involved. >> so what do you think based on the fact that this has taken so long needs to expedite the

process. >> well, i think it is a little bit of a geo-political issue in some sense in that if this were happening in the north atlantic, you have a treaty organization, and countries who have worked together for a long time and know how to share and coordinate. and in this part of the world, a contested part of the world who are not necessarily inclined to work with one another. and they don't necessarily have the structures in place to facilitate it. so we have this geopolitical issue which is sort of the backdrop for trying to get at the very specific types of coordination that is required to get things done here. >> and while there is possible hiding of resources right now, do you think there is a point at which if the weeks of searching for debris stretches into months of searching the countries will pull out of the search based on protecting their intelligence? >> you know, there has been speculation about that. i think it is interesting, for

instance, i was reading on a navy blog just last night that this -- some people feel it revealed a weakness in the chinese anti-submarine warfare because they don't have a plane that matches the boeing p-8 poseidon, or even the p-3s. so there has already been speculation about that in the press. but i think everybody is going to contribute the best way they can. everybody wants to see a resolution for the grieving families and solve the mystery. >> and specifically when it comes to the satellite and pictures when you look at what is out there do you look at it and say i know we could get a better picture of this through another technological advance. what should we be seeing that maybe we're not? >> christie, people ask me what i do for a living. my daughter, clara says i can

see the car from our driveway on google earth. i think steve and others pointed out, that picture was probably taken by an airplane, by your county's tax office contracting with a very low-flying airplane to get a high resolution picture of your house. i say to people, blow up your house in thousands of pieces and scatter it in an area in the ocean with swells and winds and currents and see how easy it is to spot your house then. this is the most stressful problem, especially with the most observation satellite. >> that is a great explanation. so grateful to have your time, thank you. >> thank you, keith. >> thank you, both. we'll be right back. we asked people a question, how much money do you think you'll need when you retire? then we gave each person a ribbon to show how many years that amount might last. i was trying to, like, pull it a little further. [ woman ] got me to 70 years old. i'm going to have to rethink this thing. it's hard to imagine how much we'll need for a retirement that could last 30 years or more.

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>> candy crowley has joined us, candy, we have been following flight 370, are u.s. intelligence closer to saying whether or not it was an intentional act? >> all along, they sort of left it open. but you always got the feeling whether you were talking to someone, whether it was the cia or fbi or the faa for that matter that they did not see this as a terrorist act. i think there are obvious things, no one has claimed responsibility. but they haven't closed it off. i think you're asking yourself the same question, and certainly in washington, saying don't our intelligence agencies know more than they're telling us. i think it is impossible for anyone to believe, because they're telling us they have this big reach with the american cia and the american surveillance. and something as big as a 777 disappears and i think there is some doubt that oh, is that even possible? do they know more than they're telling us? so far i get from folks saying no, we really don't know anymore

than what you're seeing. it is just -- it seems so hard to believe. >> yeah, so many people believe that they know more. candy crowley, thank you so much. and you can catch "state of the union" right here on cnn. >> make some great memories. inside politics with john king starts right now. a golden moment for a president desperate to stage an election year recovery. >> his holiness has the capacity to open people's eyes. >> can a papal blessing and much better numbers help the president escape? >> i certainly don't have a crystal ball. >> just don't expect him to admit he is worried one bit that bridgegate is hurting his 2016 standing. >> i'm the governor of new jersey and i have a job to