they are worth investigating and ships are on the way to the area right now. several other objects picked up by ships yesterday turned out to be fishing equipment and other trash. one fact on all the semmers minds, the battery life left on the data recorder pingers is running out.

there's only about a week left. because of that critical deadline an australian ship carrying a u.s. pinger locater and underseas equipment leaves for the search zone shortly and is expected to arrive there thursday. meantime in malaysia, families of those on board flight 370 voiced their frustrations with the way the crisis was being handled during an emotional news conference. paula hancock is in kuala lumpur. >> it was an impassioned press conference in this kuala lumpur hotel. the chinese relatives of the passengers of mh 370 arrived hours earlier at the airport sunday morning. they said they had to come to malaysia because they weren't getting the answers they wanted from beijing. they were wearing t-shirts that read pray for mh 370, pray for return safely. we want evidence, want the truth, want our families saying

they are sad and desperate. his relatives said we want malaysia to apologize for inform is a that caused confusion which delayed the search mission and we want the malaysian government to apologize for irresponsibly acting on the 4th when the plane crash. they want to meet with acting transportation commissioner, airlines, but technical staff from boeing and anyone else affiliated with this aircraft saying no one from those companies has approached them and does that mean they have something to hide. cnn, kuala lumpur, arab. >> lets talk more about this ongoing certainly for anything as it relates to flight 370. lets bring in the panel, with me kit darby, president of kit darby aviation. and cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. clive irving, contributor to the daily bees and editor at conde nast traveler and steven wood

ceo of all source analysis and has 25 years of experience analyzing satellite imagery. good to see all of you gentlemen. lets begin with what might be hopeful today, the sightings of these objects, these orange objects that could be six feet long. tom, to you first. you said that you were hopeful but not optimistic about what other officials are calling promising leads. what do you mean? >> they have been calling leads as promising or identifying them as promising for weeks. until we get an actual piece out of the water, that will be the promising lead. when we identify a piece of that aircraft and can really zero in on where they expect it to be at the bottom of the ocean as opposed to now fishing out trash of the ocean day after day is just what it is, fishing trash. >> steven wood, this yearly highlights the big problem that our environment has that there's

clearly so much trash floating around in the sea, at least from satellite imagery or sometimes these plane spotters, it may appear to be a plane part, but come to find out it's not. how do we trust satellite imagery? how do we use this as a continuing tool in a certainly for plane debris without losing hope? >> right. first and foremost, fredricka, it highlights two interesting things. one, the satellite search is continuing on. i think in about six and a half hours a variety of imaging satellites should be in position to continue to search for the missing malaysian airliner. to me one of the things that came to mind this morning is frankly one of the outcomes of this whole event using this new technology in the hunt for the missing airliner. we look back in the past week, satellite images are revealing, we've seen from the united states, the french, the chinese

satellite, thai satellites they are able to detect objects, debris. very much like tom was discussing, for the moment it's been junk, trash, flotsaflotsam sum. we've been tracking down debris. one of the things that came from this episode we can start clean up the ocean, using remote technologies to salvage and clean up the junk out there. >> that would be nice if there was a silver lining. for the immediate concerns to be addressed trying to find debris related to this plane, trying to find the pinger or black boxes, now that we have an australian ship with pinger on board that might be arriving to this search zone come this thursday, do you feel like that's enough time to use that kind of technology to

its best use here? >> i think the hope is rapidly fading the pinger will be affected. after all you've got to, as one of the naval people said, you've got to find the impact point. debris is the starting point, the endpoint. the key part is to find impact. it's only there where you'll have any chance at all of finding crucial information. >> captain darby, help us understand how this technology would work. you were describing to me you're talking about technology that can detect this pinger if it's 20,000 feet away. however, you've got to be right on top of it. it's not the idea ofette has to be in the vicinity and direct it and hopefully somewhere along the way you can detect the pinger. have you to know where the impact is, black box is. you've got to be on top of it. >> the sound, we're trying to listen basically. we're under water.

obviously it can be suppressed by layers of different temperatures of water. certainly suppressed by the depth. we don't know where it is, now deep it is. about 20,000 feet would be the limit at full capacity. some of the waters are that deep. you'd have to be right over top of it. when we lowered the amplified device down, i don't know what capabilities are. i'm sure it can do better. search pattern narrow, moves slowly. you heard the captain say you can search 50 square miles. we have 50,000 to search. we've got to get lucky or find better information to locate the airplane before searching. >> thank you. we'll resume this momentarily. meantime tensions are rising in ukraine. u.s. secretary of state john kerry is meeting with his russian counterpart as we speak now. live in paris for the latest on that meeting.

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u.s. secretary of state john kerry and russian foreign minister sergey lavrov in paris for closed-door meeting. jim bittermann in paris joining us now. jim, they are meeting to try and

dial back tension over moves in ukraine? >> reporter: that's what it looks like, fredricka. this started with a phone call from vladimir putin and barack obama, putin initiated that phone call. what came out of it must have been something pretty interesting because john kerry was on his way back to the united states from the middle east. he stopped in shannon, ireland, and came to paris and lavrov came to paris. two men are meeting. we're expecting a readout. we're not clear how long this is going on for. we're not clear what the agenda is either. i think it is a sign both sides are trying to do something to dial back the tension. lavrov said before he left moscow it is not russia's attention to invade the ukraine. however, he said he wanted the lawless to en.

they had to protect russian citizens for lawlessness going on in the ukraine, the kinds of attacks they have been facing under the ukrainian government. >> is anyone believing that claim, that explanation given the kind of troop buildup that's taking place? >> not in the west. they are not going to get very much. just the opposite. they are skeptical about that. basically i think what the concerns are troops, according to american intelligence, 40,000 russian troops along the border with another 25,000 on stand by. if possible follow-on troops in case russians were to decide to come further into the ukraine. >> jim bittermann in paris, thank you so much. certainly crews are following new leads today in that ongoing hunt for flight 370. it took off from kuala lumpur en route to beijing 21 days ago. 239 people on board, most of

them chinese nationals. they spotted four orange objects in the ocean. bring in affairiation associate renee marsh. renee, this ocean shield ship as it's named is heading out shortly with a u.s. pinger on board. deploying that device will be rather challenging, won't it? >> it absolutely will be, fred. that pinger locater is a critical piece of equipment used to find black boxes where the data recorders. that has been loaded onto that australian navy ship and the ship will leave monday. it won't arrive to the certainly area until thursday. it still cannot be used until crews find the debris field. that's because the strength of the signal from the black box is only about a mile or two radius. you must really be in the right area to have any chance of

detecting it. what complicates matters is the signal dies down as the battery stops. it could die august together. it could happen april 6th, if it hasn't already. event b, in the event it stopped emitting that signal. they have equipment that will map the ocean floor. take a look what they believe it will be able to do in assisting them in finding these black boxes. >> we do have maybe a week or two left on this pinger on the black box. if that runs out, you then have to use a site scan sonar. we've put one of those on an australian ship. those two pieces of equipment can work sequentially there on that -- on the australian ship. but like i said, without good visual confirmation of debris, which we really have not had

yet, it's tough to go in a general direction. >> all right. we can tell you there's 3 million parts to a boeing 777. you would think if it did, indeed, go down in that search area, something would be floating. if and when wreckage is discovered, we know that the australian search crews, they will hold it on behalf of malaysian investigative team. that is simply because malaysians, they would lead this investigation since the indian ocean, that's considered international waters there. they would be in charge there. search crews in australia would wait for their further instructions. now, if and when those black boxes are recovered, it will be malaysians who decide to ho gets it, analyze it. will thought black boxes sent to the united states for the ntsb to analyze it. that will be a decision the malaysians will make. fred. >> we'll get back to more discussions about the investigation and ongoing search. we're also going to talk about

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you're looking at. more and more, good family, large aftershock. >> after this weekend's activity, are you any closer to being able to predict what might happen next? >> we can't predict in the sense of identifying where, when, and how large quakes are in a particular area, we simply don't have the science to do that. we can tell you typically get a quake like this, shallow like most quakes are, california quakes. when you get a quake like that, we expect aftershock exactly like we're seeing right now. >> how long does that last? >> any particular aftershock, we know we'll have more of these. >> aftershocks, does that do over a period of hours or days? >> it depends on the quakes. typically the aftershocks last much longer the larger the quake is. in this case i would say it

probably definitely would be days and probably stretch into weeks. but as time goes by, less and less aftershocks, fewer and fewer and they become smaller and smaller. basically they fade away. >> is there anything to attribute to this kind of activity, a shift in weather, climate, anything that provokes this? >> no. in the past looking at correlation moon induced tides, air mass as weather systems change, that sort of thing. there have been no correlations found with that. the only thing we know, this is a basic concept, the plate tectonic movement happens. we know california will be a seismic area. >> any correlation between the activity in southern california versus the activity yellowstone

experienced some quakes today, quake activity today. >> that's something, those kinds of correlations are typically very hard to demonstrate. i will say when we've seen what we call triggering, a large quake causing another substantial quake, that usually only happens in very large quakes. not always in those cases either. a quake this size we don't think of triggering in other areas. >> don blakeman at u.s. geological survey. thanks so much. we'll get back to the ongoing mystery surrounding flight 370. that plot deepens. is it possible we'll ever know why that plane took its possible southern flight route? i'll ask our panel of experts next. >> from new york to london, world tennis day has gained

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in just about four hours, planes will follow a new lead. here is what we know right now. four orange objects about six feet long have been spotted today in the southern indian ocean. officials are calling it the most promising development so far. ships on the way to investigate. picked up yesterday, fishing equipment and other trash. time is a critical factor for the crews. there's only about one week left of battery life on these flight data recorder pingers.

because of that looming deadline, a ship carrying a u.s. pinger locater and undersea certainly equipment will leave for the search zone a few hours from now and expected to arrive thursday to that search area. lets bring back our panel of analysts, captain darby, clive and stephen wood. welcome back to all of you gentlemen. we've been talking about the search located in 128,000 jury mile area in the southern indian ocean. tom, is there any reason to definitively believe this is still the right search area. why can't it be the plane or debris might be spotted further north in that other trajectory? >> could be. fredricka, we are all, especially me, because this is not my area of expertise, we're all relying on what the experts have said is their best calculation. that's all we can do is hope they are right.

>> this calculation, captain darby based on aviation authorities and boeing officials pinpointing where this plane may have been gone based on evidence they have been collaborating on. is that enough for you? do you think that's still a long shot? >> it's mostly the satellite ping they got. it establishes a ring. the ring can be anywhere along that ring. there's a lot of additional assumptions about the speed of the plane, altitude, how much gas it would burn. those are assumptions that are all variables. they have made their best guess. there are so many variables the actual outcome is uncertain. >> clive, we're also talking about a lot of theories. we're entering the fourth week now. theories whether the plane went down north or south. if it was a mechanical problem. whether it had anything to do with the pilot and copilot, a sinister plan. you are also wanting more

attention focused on the loading of cargo. that certainly would intimate perhaps there was some other sort of sinister or maybe even accidental cause. it has nothing to do with the crew and nothing to do with the passengers? >> even if we don't get sinister bend to it, spent a lot of time what's going on in the plane after it took off. it's very interesting that we don't know a lot yet about what was going on in the hour before the plane left the gate. this is a crucial period in the life of any flight. the ground handling, quality of the ground handling, the way it was loaded, accuracy of the manifest, how individual packages of cargo were packed. lithium ion batteries. they say they weigh 440 pounds. that's not the weight of the passengers. that includes the weight of the packaging. have you to subtract weight of the packaging to find out how

many there are. that's one aspect of what remains to be an unknown and key part of the anatomy of this flight. at that stage when it's being loaded you need to know how secure it was. air site security on the other side where the passengers are. we haven't had any real information about this. i think to give balance to theories we need to know more. >> stephen wood, we're looking, the net has been cast very wide. there's lots of theories. everything is still on the table. there seems to be very little that's definitive. is it your view we are at square one all over again? >> i don't think i would characterize it quite like that. it is certainly a challenge. frankly one of the things i look at, what can we learn from histo history. the fact i was in new york cnn, a number of guests, david wise,

soucie, all the experts i've been talking to. one of the classic things you do with analysis, you go backwards in time. what can happen before. specifically david and jeff had asked me, what can we learn from satellite imagery of a similar incident like this before. we begin looking at the air france incident over the past couple of days, my colleagues all source analysis. what can satellite imagery tell us in this specific instance, what happened with air france back in 2009. a couple things that are important to me that came out of it, while we're still looking at data, that incident five days after the plane crashed into the ocean, people began to actually find debris. as you said at the top of the hour, we're talking about 24 days later in the disappearing malaysian airliner. this is an incredible challenge,

debris, recovery area, it underscores the complexity what we're trying to deal w i think we're moving forward, getting more information every day but this is a really difficult challenge. >> it is, indeed. thanks to all of you gentlemen. i appreciate that stay with me. we're going to talk much more about this, this ongoing investigation which continues to get murkier and murkier and more mysterious along the way. thank you very much. also neck, how new animation technology is helping oceanographers track suspicious objects. [ male announcer ] at his current pace, bob will retire when he's 153, which would be fine if bob were a vampire. but he's not. ♪ he's an architect with two kids and a mortgage. luckily, he found someone who gave him a fresh perspective on his portfolio. and with some planning and effort, hopefully bob can retire at a more appropriate age. it's not rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade.

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of. in the search flight 370 oceanographers using new types of animation helping them track where suspicious objects were spotted and may have drifted. brian thomas explains how it

works. >> there are now hundreds of objects spotted by satellites in one condensed area, all giving if you hope to search teams. in the rough swirl of the southern indian ocean, finding them has been almost impossible. oceanographers play a critical role finding air france in the atlantic could hold the key to finding the mysterious objects. >> the drift of the winds, currents, all things making this a very dynamic situation. >> his team at metron, scientific analysis firm has new animation spotting where objects may have drifted. they use weather, wind and ocean projections from noaa, determine what kinds of objects floating. >> based on what to expect for a boating accident, someone lost at sea or aircraft accident. >> like seats, luggage, other parts of a plane, his team detected where the objects spotted by a french satellite

sunday could have floated. >> this particular field is about 60 miles this access southwest to northeast. but the pattern doesn't really go to the north and does go to the south. again, about 60 miles. >> 60 miles in each direction. what about the field of 300 objects spotted by a thai satellite monday in the same vicinity. >> in this projection, it's moved about 60 miles to the north, 65 miles south. you can see the entire field moved east. >> a key question, if gurley's team could project forward in time, could they track backwards to march 8th, where the signals were sent, sea where the plane hit the ocean. >> it's more difficult because of the amount of time. now on day twenty. >> good news, what the time represents in realtime. >> australian ship's success near an area where the debris may be based on the 23rd are

march imagery. >> not just debris similar models help the coast guard find people who are lost at sea. they take a report of where someone has been lost and project currents anderson drifts ahead, where the person may be drifting and where the coast guard will start a search. cnn, weston,, virginia. >> lets bring back panel of analysts. welcome back to all of you. we've learned and heard there might be new objects certainliers are going to be looking for, orange objects that could be six feet in length. again, no images of this. they haven't been plucked from the ocean. this is something many of the ships are looking for. perhaps those are potential dpl glimmers of hope. we talked about and made reference to air france investigation in 2009 and what can be learned from that investigation and applied here.

what lessons from the search for that debris and for the discovery of exactly what led to the downing of that plane, how do you see that applied here especially since this is clearly a more arduous task of finding any wreckage, any semblance of wreckage pieces. >> right. well, a couple of things. in the segment just aired, metron put out a report following air france crash. they identified some of the promises and pitfalls of some of the technology used for forensic investigation for that air crash. specifically they mentioned in the early days effectiveliness or lack of effectiveness, both aerial searches by airplanes as well as satellite imagery used. my initial conclusion, some of the radar imaging satellites, which is a little dirt than what we've been showing on cnn was difficult to conclusively identify debris seen. i believe actually reported one

military satellite that did detect debris close to sighting of the air france crash. fast forward to today, one of the lessons we're beginning to recover, if you look at older archive imagery we spoke about before, can we actually physically identify debris that did correlate to the downed airliner. i think it's possible. what becomes important, you develop a signature as we call in the imagery world, specific identifying characteristic, that can then treat analyst, computer systems to now apply looking at this imagery in the southern indian ocean. that may help us improve our ability to detect debris that may be positively identified with the missing airline. >> we all realize we're talking about giant locality, indian ocean. even if you narrow it down to the latest search area of

123,000 square miles. you know, captain darby, when we talk about the 777, a plane made up of 3 million pieces as we heard rene marsh reporting earlier, it would seem if it went down anywhere in that indian ocean, some of those pieces, hundreds if those thousands of those pieces have the potential to float somewhere in the indian ocean and would have been spotted by satellite imagery or a plane flyover. >> it does seem so many pieces if we were in the right place would see something, every life vest, plastic bottle with a top on it for the past 20 years. >> there's so much that could potentially float even after being waterlogged, a three weeks, four week period of time. >> plastic doesn't show effects for years to degrade. something should be spotted. it's discouraging everything we've found so far has been

trash. >> tom, we've got assets in the area. we meaning the world is searching for anything that pertains to this plane. you've got the australian ship heading to the area with u.s. pinger on board to arrive in that search area by thursday with less than a week to go before the battery is expected to go out in the pinger of that flight data recorder. is it your feeling that it's smart to have those assets in the vicinity necessarily, if not an cater, they might know where this impact point is? >> i would think so, fredricka. if that device is going to swim around in the ocean and hope to get luck y, i think the odds are it's not going to be lucky. it's going to be like winning the lottery. however, what we don't know is there's some other classified piece of information that says go to a particular spot and deploy that device. i don't know if that could be from a submarine, other

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a new critic has been finding fault with malaysian investigation of flight 370, interpol, international police agency. cnn's senior international correspondent nic robertson. >> reporter: three weeks ago these two iranians traveling on stolen passports triggered interpol's investigation of flight 370's passengers. now in a statement surprising for its frankness, the international forces lambasting malaysian officials for lax controls. the truth is in 2014, prior to tragic disappearance of flight 370, malaysian immigration department did not conduct a single check of passengers passports against interpol's database. the agency said in a statement. they are not alone in their criticism. >> the idea that somehow governments adopt want to query

interpol databases because it takes too long is frankly just absurd. >> opposition politicians here are also heaping on their criticism. >> it's quite clear the impression given earlier by the government that it's not practical, takes too long to check a database is not an acceptable answer. >> it comes as malaysia's government is increasingly taking heat for their entire investigation. >> i don't think we would have done anything different from what we've already done. i think, like i said in our earlier press conference, no matter what had been thrown and labeled at us, history will june us as a country that's been very responsible. >> still there are unanswered questions, a lot of them. for instance, the transport minister wouldn't slows disclose

the altitude of 370 over the last six miles an hour despite acknowledging it went faster earlier in the flight. it could indicate if someone was in control of the flight. while the australian government said it was immediately shifting the certainly location based on the new speed data, the malaysian government spokesman said it would continue to review all satellite imagery especially debris identified by french and thai satellites spotted hundreds of miles away. >> the malaysian government in confidence to handle this investigation. you have to ask when any of this information comes out, what's the factual basis behind it. >> one former executive told cnn while he's proud of malaysia and proud of the airline, the investigation is tarnishing the country's image and could have

and should have been handled in a much clearer way. nic robertson, cnn, kuala lumpur, malaysia. this has been quite the challenge for any journalist to cover. clive irving, contributor to the daily beast and contributor at conde nast traveler. clive, as a journalist, you've got to be skeptical about just about everything but probing about fact separated from fiction. why has that story in particular taken you and so many others around the world, so to speak, trying to get to the bottom of how to present this story and at the same time also investigate so many theories that surround this mystery. >> well, this is a global phenomenon. there's a huge appetite across the world for information. that's information which no one is in a position to give, which means there's a great responsibility on the part of

journalists to be sure of their sources. in this case i think we're seeing frequently that sources can be very flaky, particularly if they are malaysian. i can site the pilots began very early on by careful and deliberate release of information, no credence at all. people went chasing after it. i think that's dissipated to some extent. it just underlines very often on this story, speculation is the enemy of truth, yet we are forced to speculate. i'm very self-aware. a certain theory. might become too obsessed with it, too convinced on the basis of what i'm seeing. it's probably the right one. that would be wrong to do. what i've been trying to do is look at each and balance them. take boeing, for example, they have been very silent, tight-lipped. they say absolute justification

this is the best investigation under way. they can't say anymore about it. when i go to boeing with information which i worked out for myself, ask to confirm details, for example, of the architect of the plane, they won't even do that. i think all of us are out there working with far less information than p we would like to have. there's a public interest. we understand the situation. quite frankly, fear of flying has been banged by this unnecessarily because of the communications mode. >> there's a hunger for the story. what you said about theory and speculation, that really hits home for so many. most journalists will feel like they want to stay as far away from speculation and theory and covering any story. because this mystery is colossal, the theory is exactly what's driving the concept

behind why this plane could have gone down. if there were hard facts about where the plane went down, why it went down, there would be a lot less theory-based reporting. this story simply cannot exist without it at this juncture. would you agree? >> i do. we're dependent here a lot of experts, the kind of experts you've been having on cnn. a strong team of experts. they are groping as much as we are to reconcile various conflicting signals out of malaysia. particularly in nic robertson's piece showed the passports, mixed passports of travelers and conflicting views of what went on in the first stages of the turn, after the plane turned. it was really a huge challenge for germans. >> clive irving, thank you so much. appreciate your expertise on that. our continuing coverage of missing flight 370 continues after this. new developments as the search continues.

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hello again. i'm fredricka whitfield. welcome back. we're getting new information about search for flight 370. crews scour the southern indian ocean are on the lookout for a new potential clue for four orange objects about six feet long spotted today in the certaiy