hello again. i'm fredricka whitfield. welcome back. we're getting new information about search for flight 370. crews scour the southern indian ocean are on the lookout for a new potential clue for four orange objects about six feet long spotted today in the certainly zone.

australian officials leading the operation say they are worth investigating and ships are on the way to the area now. several other objects turned out to be fishing equipment and trash. one escapable fact on everyone's mind, the battery life on the flight recorder pingers is running out. there's only about a week left. because of that critical deadline, an australian ship carrying a pinger locater and other search equipment leaves for the zone in several hours, expected to arrive there thursday. australia's prime minister says search crews are prepared for challenges ahead. >> frankly this government won't rest until we've done everything we reasonably can to give those families and wider community of the world a little more peace and insight into exactly what happened. >> so there have been lots of objects in the indian ocean but

not expected to malaysian airlines 370. why not? i want to bring in rob mccollum ocean specialist and expedition leader. so there have been 10 planes searching today. the australian crew calls four new objects a promising lead. boy, have people been disappointed in the last few days. there has been satellite imagery, a plane who spotted objects and come to find out it ends up being debris or crash. how promising do these objects sound to you, six feet in length? >> here is hoping. every day we ride this roller coaster. it's hard for people to understand why is it so difficult. i think there's a number of things we can glean out of the last few days. the first, the ocean is a vast body of water. we're used to hearing cliched

lines that 70% of our planet is covered in seawater, but either only when we actually conduct a practical exercise like searching for something reasonably large, lying an aircraft, that we realize we're quite small in the scheme of things. i think the second thing we're learning is the data from the original handshake analysis is not that precise. we really are still dealing with, even though we think we're in the right ocean, still dealing with vast bodies of water. thirdly, there's a lot of debris in the water, a lot of human pollution even that far out to sea. >> i think that has been a hugely eye-opening observation being made in this ongoing search, there can be so much material, satellites spot them, planes, people in planes, crews, they are taking pictures of and it's junk disposed of in our oceans. is it your feeling or gut feeling, too, that perhaps this

search, 128,000 square mile area, this might not be the right location? >> this the thing. we really don't know. until we find something clearly tagged back to the aircraft, we don't know i have faith in the people that have been running retro navigation exercise with the handshake data. obviously that steered them down to this corner of the world. i trust in those people, the technical abilities. at the moment that's all we've got to go on. >> the use of this u.s. pinger on an australian ship, we've heard many experts say you've got to be on top of an impact zone, on top of where this tail where the pinger and flight data recorder located in order for it to be used. is it your feeling perhaps a secret of surveillance has

picked up some sort of pinging and that's why this ping locater is being taken to that search area? >> i think that's wishful thinking. you know, i hope that's the case. i honestly do, but i don't believe it is. i think people are just frustrated by the fact that even though we fancy ourselves such technologically advanced mammals, we can't do something as simple as find a large aircraft in an ocean. that's very, very frustrating. i have to agree finding the pingers with the pinger locater would be -- you've got better chances of winning tonight's lottery. >> is this an experience revealing we're not as advanced in technology as many of us thought we were? >> i think a lot of us watch too many science fiction, carried

away blending hollywood fiction with reality. the reality is an awful lot of sea surface out there. thousands of meters, many thousands of feet deep. when you're searching in those locations, it's harder than it sounds. we would like to rely on technology to solve this for us. unfortunately it's not as easy as it looks. >> thanks so much. crews looking for flight 370 are about to get high-tech help. find out what device is on board that ship that could prove critical in the search. that is next. ♪

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in a few hours an australian ship out to sea carrying a tool that could prove invaluable in the search for flight 370. here is paula newton. >> the ocean shield is at the ready and just hours from sailing off to a search zone

that so far has yielded no trace of flight 370. the australian ship will be the linchpin of the investigation but only if and when air wreckage is found. >> this is a complicated job. first real stick finding debris so we can back out and impact point to give us an initial searchary. >> being fitted on board, a u.s. navy tow pinger locater that will try and is late signal from cockpit and flight data reporters and bluefin 21, an underwater vehicle that will comb the ocean floor looking for wreckage. >> no matter how specialized and sophisticated this equipment, it won't do any good until the search zone will be narrowed. we need better point of impact estimation than we have right now. >> u.s. navy commander mark matthews is leading the team that will deploy the locater equipment, and it needs to come within a mile of the pinger just

like the one he's holding. >> i can search approximately 50 square miles a day. so really if we're searching for a beacon and living on borrowed time, i need something that is only less than 1,000 square miles. >> right now we're dealing with over 100,000 square miles. >> yes. >> as you said, challenging. >> it's very low probability of detection. that is our search area. >> that's a sobering thought for the families of those missing as we board "ocean shield" those working to deploy her are mindful every signal counts. the pinger lasts a little more than a week and any wreckage dragged by wind and currents for weeks now. cnn, australian naval base. >> lets talk more about this. our panel of experts back with me. captain kit darby, retired united airlines pilot who flew

for 30 years, also president of kit darby. in seattle rob mccollum back with me. ocean search specialist and search expedition leader. okay, gentlemen. as you just saw this great technology, cutting edge technology with this ship and with the u.s. pinger on board, there's a lot of hope. rob, the point can't be overstated if you don't have the impact zone located, then some of that technology cannot be put to its best use. what is the greatest hope from the ship once it arrives in the search zone area on thursday. >> there's not a lot of hope as you heard the leader saying. they have to be on top of the wreckage, the black box not to hear it. the pingers designed to locate it black box in the wreckage zone.

if you have wreckage spread over a mile or two, it helps hone into the black box itself. it was never designed to locate wreckage in a wider search area. you would have to be right on top of it. even when we find the first debris from mh 370, that will be some hundreds of miles from the original impact point and it may take weeks or months to run those undulations all the way back to give us the underwater search area that we need. >> then captain darby, we have satellite imagery that shows what the weather has been like recently in the past 48 hours and how things might be looking. relatively clear, a calmer area where this latest search is taking place. but at the same time, you know, if the weather doesn't cooperate, if the conditions aren't right, you can't put this great technology to its best use. >> winter is coming. so we're going to have not only

our window on the pinger closed but window and calm enough sea to deploy this equipment. it's going to be a difficult time and time is running out. >> how critical do you believe this is? when you say time running out, talking in large part the battery life and less than a week when that ship gets into the area. >> a combination. actually the certainly area gets bigger as time goes on. battery runs out, weather gets so bad you can't do whatever you want to do. it's not a good combination. >> then, when we talk about back timing, if they were to at least find debris related to this plane, because thus far all of the objects seen or located seem to be trash or unrelated to the search. if they at least come across real confirmed wreckage, an issue of back timing the drift in order to try and locate this possible impact area. >> that's correct. once you find some debris that's

positively linked to the aircraft, then you can run a retro navigation exercise which will take you back upstream, upwind. a mix of oceanography, mathematics and a little bit of art. >> how long will that generally take? a matter of hours or days or weeks? >> weeks. you can do a rough calculation in a couple of days. in order to keep refining that search area down, the more time, the more analysis you put into it, the better it gets. if you look back to air france, the aircraft was located a couple years after the pinger batteries were exhausted. using these retro navigation techniques to get to a point of impact, what you'll see in the next few days assuming that some dbris is found is a timing shift from this urgency to find debris as fast as possible, you'll see a shift to wanting to not be so fast but very, very

thorough and very, very precise. >> so captain, if we're talking about wreckage located after the life expectancy of this pinger, by using this technology or technique, this retro navigation, that at least restores some hope that potentially an impact site can be located, that the wreckage could be located, even if it's a matter of not finding flight data recorder by way of its pinger. >> it's possible. this is a very large area. complications, variables he mentioned only come about if we find debris. so far we haven't found debris. debris is the first step. without that -- >> do you feel like it has to happen at some point? given what you said, certain items forever, it seems, floating items? >> we could be thousands of

miles away from the location, drift from the crash site, it's a very daunting task. i would love to be optimistic. i'm hopeful. being optimistic outside the realm. right now we don't have the probabilities to find debris. that's going to lead us a site any time soon. >> based on everything that transpired now as we entered week four, is it your feeling this plane, a discovery will be made in a matter of months, or do you feel like we're years away and it's going to be happen stance this wreckage is located? >> i've seen nothing imminent. we're hopeful. so far we have nothing. >> rob, to you quickly? >> you know, we need to find a stop point. once we have a stop point, we can deploy underwater assets to start the underwater search. as the size of that search expands, so, too, would our underwater assets, the equipment used to conduct the search need to change from auvs to more

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search crews following new leads today in the ongoing hunt for flight 370. surgers spotted four orange objects in the southern indian ocean. if these latest sights in the new indian area pan out, it could help narrow the search for so-called black boxes, data and flight recorders. rene marsh joining us from washington with more on this. rein earthquake, time is running out for batteries on recorders. if they are found, who will actually analyze these recorders and get critical information from them? >> fred, at this point it's unclear which countries would get these recorders. malaysian authorities would essentially make that decision. that said, the nbt here in the united states is the most sophisticated labs. one-third of their work is for foreign government. it's quite possible ntsb could get those for analysis. how fast a readout? that could happen in 24 hours.

that's for investigators in the u.s. >> we're talking about the indian ocean. incredibly deep. how might the depth impact investigators ability to retrieve usable data from the recorders if indeed they could locate them. >> it's extremely deep, in some cases 13,000 feet. the good thing is, these can be submerged in water up to 20,000 feet deep. it's very rare that investigators cannot retrieve useful data. when they do eventually pull recorders from saltwater, what they do is place it in freshwater for the trip to the lab. at the lab it is then flushed out with clean water to remove all the salt and silt and they carefully dry it out. at this point one of the deepest ocean recovers so far air france flight 447. those boxes they were all the way at the bottom of that water there off the coast of brazil.

even after two years of being sub mermerged in water, there w data from the black box, fred. >> have they retrieved the data? how do they pull the information out? >> in the case of ntsb, we know how they go about this. a team of three people listening. later sometimes that's expanded to six our eight people. the team is trying to come up with a consensus essentially of what is the wording of each transmission. they are all listening to it. sometimes it's not audible. they are listening to every second of that to try and determine what's being said specifically on that cockpit voice recorder. >> fascinating. rene marsh, thanks so much in washington. >> sure. >> grief, frustration and a lot of anger. you can see and feel all of that raw emotion today at a news conference held by the families of 239 people on board flight 370. hear their new demands next.

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>> a press conference in kuala lumpur hotel, relatives of flight 370 arrived hours earlier at the airport. this morning they said they had to come to malaysia, because they simply went getting answer sz from beijing. pray for mh 370, return home safely. and about a dozen men were chanting. we want evidence. we want malaysia to apologize which delayed search mission and want malaysian government to apologize for irresponsibly acting march 24th saying the plane crashed. >> they want to not only meeting with transportation minister, authorities they want to meet with technical staff from boeing and anyone else affiliated with

this aircraft saying no one from the companies has approached them. does that mean they have something to hide. paula hancocks, cnn. rob mccallum in seattle. clearly families in anguish waiting for news from this search. one has to wondered should this has been handled differently. i'm not going to apologize for malaysian government but seems if they don't have information, don't know where it is, what can they be providing to the families they are not saying to reporters. >> can't give information they don't have. from a captain's perspective, a plane for of disgruntled passengers. if you don't have anything new, it's important to say you don't have anything new. if there's no information, you

can't make things up, you have to relay the situation as it stands. >> rob, clearly, i think everyone can understand, emphasize how painful it is for loved ones of anyone on board this flight. we heard from an interview earlier last week, one of the loved ones who said she stopped watching the news. it's just too tormenting. you can't blame them, can you? >> it's a very difficult time. absence of tangible proof makes it worse. in the case of air france, even though it was clear what happened to the aircraft, two years after the event when it was located and black boxes recovered, the sense of closure from the relatives of those that were lost was palpable, quite something to see. >> so captain darby, i wonder,

there's something to be learned from every experience. we're hearing reference of air france, locating of wreckage, learned from satellite imagery, et cetera. as it refers to lessons learned, how much to share, how much not to say. what kind of lessons do you see should be extrapolated here for that next calamity, potential calamity. >> we have cultural differences, all types of misinterpretation. we have a relatively small country that hasn't had to deal with this before. perhaps international advice. we've had many in the u.s., we have an information system. some could be incorporated into a group to share resources with a smaller, less equipped

country. >> may be at the root of the anguis here, chinese nationals, majority of whom were on the plane, family members saying they weren't trusting malaysian authorities. at the same time they have very little confidence in their own government as it pertains to disseminating information. a lack of trust embedded consult really. >> i think it's important to remember that this is a case that has never -- the likes have never been seen before. any government, malaysian or otherwise, would really have struggled to ramp up and deal with this because there's no precedent. i think it's worth noting at the moment mistakes have been made, lessons learned. we're on a long pathway here. this is going to kin on far very long time. not only do we still have to find the first piece of debris,

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in joust about three hours from now planes searching for 370 will return to the sky to find a potential lead. here is what we know right now. four orange objects six feet long spotted in the southern indian ocean. officials calling it the most promising development so far. ships on the way to the area to investigate. officials say several other objects picked up by ships yesterday are actually fishing equipment and trash. time is a critical factor for the crews. there's only about one week of battery life left on the flight recorder pingers. because of that looming deadline an australian ship carrying a u.s. pinger locater, and undersea search equipment will leave for the search zone in a

few hours and expected to arrive by thursday. australia's prime minister says it doesn't matter how long it takes or how much it costs, they will keep searching. our coverage of the flight 370 will continue. first we've got other new developments on an important story for millions who drive gm cars we want to bring to you right now. general motors chief executive mary berra will testify tuesday before u.s. congress about the automaker's faulty ignition switch recall. that recall covers 2.2 million vehicles in the u.s. and linked to 12 death. cnn money chief business correspondent christine romans on what's next for gm and how her upcoming testimony could be a game changer for the new ceo. >> reporter: the honeymoon is over. less than three months ago mary

barra became the first woman to lead a u.s. automaker. now headed to capitol hill for her first big test as ceo. problems with the ignition system, those problems linked to 12 fatalities. pr experts say so far she has owned it. >> she's done every possible thing they could do to take aggressive actions. >> so far so good. she's launched, been candid. >> launch international investigation, wrote a letter. a website, call center and new executive in charge of safety. >> this is the most important appearance so far in her ceo hood. how she handles this tragedy is going to tell an awful lot about

her legacy. >> it could turn into a plus. >> if they delivers, no doubt positive things will take place including minimizing potential recalls, increasing customer satisfaction, increased sales, increased revenue. >> in the auto industry perception is key. gm touting photo contest winners online. scroll down, you'll see this, customers outraged about the recall. >> as it goes into the longer term scenario, it will hurt the brand. >> a lot will depend whether gm accepts reliability. technically the lawmaker isn't responsible for accidents before 2009. some experts say what gm has to do and what gm should do are two different things. >> i think if gm really wants to put the right foot forward, they need to accept total responsibility, whether it was old gm, new gm, it's still gm on the building downtown detroit. >> civil lawsuits have been filed. gm is facing a federal criminal

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welcome back, everyone. i'm fredricka whitfield. here are five things crossing cnn news desk now. u.s. secretary of state john kerry and foreign minister sergey lavrov still meeting in paris. that meeting is happening behind closed doors. two were discussing a resolution to the crisis in ukraine and things tense along the eastern border. russia reportedly amassed about 40,000 troops in that area. tomorrow in this country is the deadline to sign up for

obamacare or face a penalty for not having health coverage. the white house says it's seeing a surge of last minute signups. anyone who starts the application by tomorrow but can't finish it because of technical problems will get more time. paper applications are due april 7th. same-sex couples in england and wales have the legal right to be married. the church of england had objected but now says it will no longer campaign against the issue. the legislation was approved last july. the law went in effect last friday. royal family, ever picturesque, released this new photo of prince george. so cute. the little guy eight-month-old, at the kensington palace home. the family is planning to go to new zealand in australia and bring the baby along. no word whether the dog will. no word on public appearances

while traveling. very cute. the movie "noah" swept the box office raking in estimated $44 million. the biblical story getting mixed reviews for acting and accuracy. divergent got bumped to second place followed by muppets movie. this weekend disney's "frozen" bap the highest grossing animated film of all times with more than a billion worldwide. people in southern california dealt with two sizable earthquakes this weekend. but the dozens check out this m la times showing all of them. experts say they can't predict what happens next. >> we can't predict in the sense of identifying when, where and how it will happen.

you get a quake like this which is shallow in the process. which all of the california quakes are. when you get a quake like that, we expect an aftershock series like what we are seeing right now. yoo ste >> stephanie, how does this rate how nervous are you? this one was not that scary for me. when you are near an earthquake, in 1979, the world series was being played, that was super scary. this one was a 5.1, much smaller earthquake, but for the people that live near the epicenter,

and since then, we've had 100 or so after shocks. most super tiny. as you can see, it was enough to do a lot of damage and a couple of dozen people have been removed from their homes. >> stephanie, how does one prepare for the unknown? is it a matter of making sure you have the proper earthquake insurance? >> what are the things that i get are provoking people to do right now with this weekend reminder? >> i hope people are doing it now. we have had complace entsy here. it is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when. in the time that i have been in california, a lot of people are just not ready. we have disasters all over the

country. we are talking about making sure you are having water. if you look at the major disasters, people are living for 7 days or so without that normal comfort of living. you want to have water and medicines and those provisions for animals as well. i hope that this swarm of earthquakes which may have been very scary, that they start to think about what they need to do and figure out where you will meet, this is something that everyone can do. we have natural disasters, just get ready, right? >> those are good plans for protection, as it pertains to your life and property, do people have earthquake insurance or do most people in the area maybe all of people in the area, have the strappings of the home is that typical?

>> no, there is the california earthquake authority and insurance and a lot of places require you to have it when you rent your place and get your home. it is something that you have to live with. it is part of life in southern california. yes, you can prepare for it and protect your assets. you can do that. but a lot of people are complacent. the last time was 1994 with the north ridge earthquakes. and that is part of the reason why people have become lax about this. reappreciate your reminder. thank you so much. to washington and the scene of that devastating landslide. washington state. searchers hoping for some sort of miracle . and so far 18 known dead. a number of missing and

unaccounted for has dropped from 90 to 30. at times heavy equipment gives way to digging by happened. it is a huge event doctor. now a new danger. more flooding on the way because of so much rain. our dan simon is in washington. how are people holding up there. >> it is tough. especially when you throw in the rain like we see over the past 48 hours. it hasn't let up much. when you go through the debris field. crews are having to pump out the water so they can continue to search for victims. as you said, authorities have been working around the clock to pin down who is missing and who may have died in the land slide. as a result of those efforts, they have been able to narrow

down who is missing. it was 90 and now it is 30. crews are in that field right now trying to find victims. in some cases and this tells you, the grim nature of it all. they are only finding body parts. that tells you, this was an incredible force and it is going to make identifying those bodies difficult for the medical examiner. all right thank you so much. dan simon, appreciate that. that is going to do it for me. thank you for being with me. in the next hour with jim he shuto begins with the latest on the search for flight 370.

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so far, not a wing, not a rutter, nothing. that could be about to change. now that australians have spotted what they are calling their most promising lead so far. experts say they could be the plane's emergency escape slides, life rafts even. right now ships are on their way to investigate. crews are cautious, turned out to be fishing equipment and other trash. all the while only about a week of battery life left. an australian ship carryin