this is "new day" with chris cuomo, kate bolduan and michaela pereira. >> racing now to find flight 370. there are just days remaining before the battery life of the black box expires. >> new word that the search is intensifying this morning. ten planes and ten ships scouring the indian ocean. we now know where those four floating objects found came from. our coverage begins live from perth, australia this morning. paula, doesn't sound luke good news for those orange objects. >>. >> absolutely. kate, since you were here last week, this search has been beefed up quite a bit, many more ships at sea, more planes in the

air and still frustrating. today back to square one. debris sighted this weekend leading to dead end. four items on a reconnaissance plane turned out to be fishing equipment and dead jelly fish. >> none of the items were related to flight 370. >> in an exclusive interview, they say they're not giving up. >> how long can this be sustained? >> the search a ramping up, not winding down. >> reporter: i toured the ship this weekend as crews outfitted the vessel with an unmanned

robot and black box detectors. the latest analysis has zoned in on this search area more than a thousand miles off the coast of perth, australia. >> we've just got very general information about where this aircraft has come down but nevertheless we are giving it the very best shot we can. >> prime minister abbott refusing to put a timeline on the search as distraught relatives play at a buddhist temple in kuala lumpur. >> we owe it to the 239 people on board and to the whole world. >> we will keep investigating and we will never give up until we found out what happened to flight 370.

>> reporter: i can tell you from being on the ocean shield and speaking to mark matthews, the one leading the search for the black boxes, he needs the search site to be 1,000 the sione-thou the size it is right now, it is still way too large. >> good to have you mary schiavo and david west, we hear that it's intensifying, ten ships, ten aircraft out there. still sounds like small numbers. why not more assets involved? >> i think there could never be too many because of the cycles and shifts going on.

you have daylight to worry about, the as much has to be done in grids, done logically and sequentially. i'm not sure more is better in this case. >> mary, that's something at that you point out that common sense doesn't rule in a situation like this. more is not always better. why in. >> because of what david said in part. you have to search in a methodical way. they literally have mapped out the ocean, have assigned different teams search areas and given the late date, more is probably better in this case because the pinger and while i'm always optimistic and the batteries don't just stop immediately on day 30, but right at this point we have to trust the australian officials and they say they have what they need. frankly at this time and after so many weeks i would ask for more, i'd throw everything you

could get in the whole world at it. >> the question was answered by giving the most sophisticated pinger locating equipment available. finding something related to an aircraft in the ocean. even when they find object, it's difficult for them to say it might be part of an aircraft because? >> because from the pictures and when they pull it on board, you don't automatically know what it is. they will know when something is from an aircraft because parts on an aircraft are very specific to aircraft. this craft being made in the united states of america, the federal aviation administration has to improve most of the parts on the an aircraft, the sea cushions are approved, the panels on the flooring approved,

if it came off of a plan, we will know whether it is from a plane. for passengers the things that float are passengers, luggage, tennis shoes. they find it, they'll know. >> so now we get to the pinger and it's not hype to say time is running out. it's a rule of thumb that you have about 30 days best case scenario that that pinger still goes off, that black box making a sound going off that can be picked up by equipment. question to you. why only 30 days? >> it's the same question the french government asked after 447. not on askly asked but they demd it be changed to 90 days. new planes have to have 90 days. but there's nothing say they go

have to be retro fit for 90 days. >> ever get an answer on how the maintenance is done on these pinke pingers? >> yeah. i have a high level of concern, because an inside source did an audit and checked the way they're stored and the manufacturer recommends a cool and dry place for storage. if they're in a heated area, it was a 120 degree room with high humidity. >> my inside source says the u.s. was happy to give these asset to the search just like they did in air france but they did raise the question of why are you using it when you don't know where to look? you still have to be relatively

quickly before you can hear it. >> they call it mowing the ocean and they have to go back and forth, except while they're looking in one square, miles away in another area might be where it is. without more exacting information, they're relying on a little luck. sometimes it's better to be lucky. if they get lucky with towing the pinger, that's good. i can't see not using it. i understand the skepticism but, my goodness, at this point they've just got to try. i'm going to go with the australians on this one. >> and towing the pinker is like miles long so you want as little traffic in the area as possible. that's why less assets can be better. mary, you've made that point in the past. march 8th is when this started,

okay? still people don't understand why with all the snoopy sovereigns in the world that nobody picked up this airplane. yes, the thai radar picked it up a little bit but with india right there and thailand right there and diego garcia that does nothing but surveillance, do we have more information on why people don't have information on this plane or do we think that's not coming out? >> we do have information. once the transponder stopped submitting and you don't have the advantage of the more advanced radar and any tracking ability on this plane, you're down to basic, old fashioned primary radar, which is almost like what you see in world war ii movies, it's just a blip on

the screen. if nobody's watching the screen, if no one as paying attention, it's like it didn't happen. i've had cases in the united states where an air traffic controller fell asleep in the tower. if people aren't paying attention and after about 20 minutes they can be looking at the screen and not noticing there's such a boredom fashion. >> it boggles my mind they pick up an e-mail and they couldn't track a plane. kate. >> tensions boiling over this morning between north and south korea, the two sides exchanging

fire at north sea after military drills spilled over the border. barbara, what more are we learning this morning? >> reporter: good morning, kate. this is exactly what the u.s. has worried about for weeks. is is there a new round of provocation from north korea? this took place on the western border at sea, north korea conducting live fire exercises, some of it falling into south korean waters and at that point the south responded. the reuters news agency is reporting this got pretty brisk, the north firing about 500 artillery shells, the south koreans firing back with about 300 shells. this has been an area of tension before back in 2011, a north korean torpedo sank a south korean ship killing 36 sailors. one of the big concerns is this comes just one day after north korea raised the prospect of another nuclear test. it goes back to the fundamental

question is there an isolated incident or is this potentially a new round of north koreans provocations? >> very important question, barbara. you're live at the pentagon. thank you very much. let's talk more about this with our chief correspondent jim sciutto, who is here with us today. barbara is asking a very key question. is this an isolated incident or ratcheted up provocation the u.s. needs to pay more attention to? what are you hearing? >> it's clearly not isolated. it's one in a series of things. you had a threat last week to set off a nuclear weapon. going back a few weeks ago, the excuse of his uncle, the second most powerful person in north korea and if you believe his stories, his children as well. north korea will always be provocative but the thing is they're becoming unpredictable. i know from talking to u.s.

officials, even the chinese, their main ally, are growing uneasy and throwing their hands up in the air and that's a bad sign. >> there's a little bit what can you do, right? >> absolutely. you know what you can do but no one is willing to pay that price. that state does not survive without tremendous in flows of money, oil, food from china. the trouble is does china and the u.s. and south korea want to bare the cost of the regime. they're also worried about having u.s. troops right on china's border. north korea is a buffer between south korea and china. is china willing to pay them, is south korea willing to pay them? it becomes an issue of

containment. no one know what is his next move is. >> that's the beg question mark. there is no communication with north korea and no way of knowing. the scary thing is he, the country, seems to be becoming more and more unpredictable. exchanging live fire to me seems to be ratcheting it up. you hear a lot of threats, a lot of bluster and we always talk about the saber rattling, 500 artillery shells, 300 artillery shells. that sounds serious. remember the north korean shell, south korean islands, civilians died in that. how does south korea then calibrate its response so you don't go to war. it's a real danger in that part of the world. the chinese used to be the best kind of communicator with the north koreans. that was north korea's sort of

red line to the world. for example, when the executions happened of kim jung il's uncle. you don't want to be surprised. >> you don't want to be surprised. thanks, jim sciutto. >> operations set to get back under way in washington state more than a week after that catastrophic mudslide. officials will be in an active rescue mode as long as there's any possibility of finding survivors. >> southern california keeps getting rattled. more than 100 after shocks over the weekend after a 5.1 magnitude quake hit the los angeles area friday. this break as decades long dry

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welcome back to "new day." in the headlines this morning, north and south korea exchanging fire at sea. this all a day after the north warned it might conduct a new nuclear test. south korean officials say there's no sign of that happening yet. >> former pakistan president pervez musharraf indicted on treason charges, accused of illegally suspending pakistan's constitution and unlawfully imposing military rule in 2007. he pleaded not guilty this morning. if convicted, he could get the death penalty. >> former israeli prime minister ehud ul mert has been convicted

of bribery. for his part he has denied any wrong doing and faces up to ten yea years in prison. >> hundreds of demonstrators marching across the city. there have been 37 shootings since 2010. 23 of them fatal. several protesters were arrested and the mayor said one officer was injured. the hacker group anonymous helped launch a cyber attack on the police department's web site. it was down most of sunday. those are your headlines, kate. >> the search for flight 370 now entering its fourth week. that means there are just days remaining before the 30-day battery life of the black box expires, if it hasn't already. the orien has departed for

another search. what types of item has the new zealand air force spotted since you guys have been in the zone? >> mainly we've been seeing lots of rubbish, dispersed with a lot of fishing gear. but we're also seeing fishing gear in the water. >> so at this point none of it has any promise it could lead to any debris field from flight 370? >> that's hard for to us determine from the air. that requires the ships to get into the area and start getting the stuff out of the water and investigating fully. >> how does this search area compare to the old search area?

when i went up with your crew, we were in the old search area. how does this new search area compare? >> well, it's quite a lot for the north and closer to perth so we're able to spend longer in the search area. when you came flying, we were getting about two hours in the area and now we're getting about four. apart from that it's a little smaller, a little more refined but it's just another search area at the moment. >> weather was a big factor in the old search area. generally speaking have the conditions been better here? can you describe the conditions? >> generally speaking the conditions have been better in the last week. a little further north have been a little furt out of the storm fronts so the weather has been a lot better. that was causing issues the other day when it was so calm that we were seeing everything in the water so every little object spent out quite clearly so we spent a lot of time investigating small bits of probably rubbish.

>> how is the number five squadron doing? that might seem like a silly question to you but from watching on the outside and going out in the air with you guys, every day, every search flight brings optimism that you might spot something. we're now into day 24 of missing flight 370. how is morale? >> morale is always high. we're always hopeful we'll see something. the crew you went out with has gone home and replaced it with another crew. >> good luck. leon fox, squadron leader for the royal new zealand air force. thank you. >> coming up next, searchers

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help search for the black box is heading into the search zone. let go live to will thunder. >> reporter: kate, the countdown is on, less than one hour until the scheduled department for the "shield," that will tow the equipment along the sea floor listening to the cockpit data. it can only detect the sound within a one-mile radius. the plan is to get the ship in place. if and wehen debris is found, they can zoom in to the area. chris? >> there's so much frustration from families and others to why no discovery yet.

some of that is due to not knowing how daunting this process is. major general james "spider" marks is here. good to have you. >> thank you. >> it's helpful to have the visual but the scale and how difficult this is, it's still something that's tough to grasp for us. for instance, put the triangle up. this is the search area. it's shifted, it's smaller, it look doable but what's the reality? >> this is a huge part of the world, a vast part of the world. we are in an area that often is not looked at, it's not part of our national security, we don't have satellites that routinely dwell over this part of the world. this is as massive as you can get. when you try to refine it and bring it in, you're still in a huge area. >> i got the chance to watch the show when i was at home last week and i was saying how big is

that? that's the state of new mexico that we've outlined the area. that's how big that they're looking for the wreckage of one airplane. >> if, the size of new mexico, if they're in the right area to begin with. that's the point. they're focusing in on this and we should. that's where the evidence leads you. if that's not right, you've got the rest of the united states, as can you see, where there are options to search. >> the second assumption is you're assuming they're all in that area and of course they aren't. they have to come from perth, even though we have ships in the area, ten now. so the flight, it closer now. that's good. when you look at it relative to the united states, from new york to key west, every day they have to fly just to start the search. >> nobody can complain about driving along i-95. this is a search from new york to key west. you're limited in what you can do because you've got to be able to make it back.

and it exhausting. and this is moving into the winter in this part of the world so sea states are rough. >> something else that winds up being a mixed blessing. they ended up moving those search areas, moved it a few hundred nautical meyers closer and also moved it closer to the diam diamontia trench, right? >> yes. >> we put it up there. 19,000 miles deep. that's the size of the grand canyon, 5,280 feet deep. you have to be within several miles to hear it. from the civilian perspective, 19,000 feet, if it is in that

area of the trench and it's even 10,000 feet down, logistically it's a nightmare. >> even if we're good enough to be on top of where that box is or where there might be some debris that's dropped to the bottom, you still have to be able to get that pinging up to the surface, which is a distance of about three miles. >> some cautioned me while i was on vacation. they said the media's doing its job, you should test everything, however, you're not giving enough due to how difficult that is. this is about as difficult as it could be, unless you took away this data. fair assessment that we shouldn't be pushing for answer, this will take a long time? >> oh, this will take a long time but you should push for answers. the families' grief is legitimate and they need

answers. it a combination of intentions and capabilities. we can run all through and dissect all the capabilities, which everyone is because that's available. we still don't understand the intentions. what don't we know about this? what took place in the cockpit? what do we know in real detail? i would hope that information is making itself available. it will reveal itself. this is very delicate. there's a lot of hubris involved. we can't point fingers but you have to be able to work very, very diligently on the intentions side to add to the capabilities toeso you can refi the search and get a little better. >> everyone is volunteering what they can but nobody knows why this happened. it may be the parallel investigation into the souls on board, into the minds that were on that plane.

>> exactly, chris. that will take time. >> general, thank you. always a pleasure. kate? >> much more on the search coming up. but first general motors' ceo is in the hot seat has she readies to face congress after ignition defects are linked to deadly crashes. that important story coming up. and not being able to get up from a fall can have serious, lifetime consequences. being prepared is important. philips lifeline with autoalert is more than just a medical alert button. it's an advanced fall detection system designed to get you help quickly. if you fall and you're unable to push your button, the fall detection technology within autoalert can trigger the button to automatically place a call for help. our us-based staff will make sure you get the help you need right away. this is philips lifeline. we received a fall-detected signal. do you need help? call now about philips lifeline with autoalert, the only button with philips' advanced fall

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cobalt, pontiac g-5, is the urn ion and the sky. that's are the cars involved. >> these are not just the recalls. these have led to deaths. >> at least 13 deaths. >> if you have one of these cars, what do you need to know? >> the original part of the recall has already received a letter in the mail. april 7th is when we're told they're going to be fixing these cars because they had to make the ignition switch. the switch could be jostled or bumped in an accident and it would switch from the run to accessory position and power braking and power steering was off. >> the simple fix they're suggesting blows my mind. take your key off the key ring. >> in the meantime take your key off the key ring, don't have a

key that can jostle, take your knees away from the steering column. they're safe to drive but they need to change those ignition switches. >> first and foremost we have to make sure folks are safe in their cars and then the timeline of who knew what and when will be the big focus. >> watch for the letter that will come. they will eventually get you a letter to tell when you to fix it. we're talking about 2.2 million cars now. that's a lot of folks. >> let's go over to mikaela now. >> that is the flight recorder, aka the black box. we're going to talk about the frustration and disappointment over the weekend. there was hope that some of the possible objects found in the ocean would be leading to the missing flight. however, those were false leads. searchers are frantically trying to find any sign that could indicate where that black box may be.

bring back in our friend and analyst, it seems like the elusive holy grail, it feels like the thing that will answer our questions. >> we've talked about the needle in the haystack, we can't even find the haystack. we're not 100% sure the haystack even exists. interesting news from the press conference in malaysia that just happened. they're now involving the indonesian government, which means they're now looking up the north route as well. >> which is something you've been a big proponent of. we have to include that northern arc as well. >> the reason we've been excluding parts is we've been working on assumptions that most likely they're heading at a certain velocity. but that's just an assumption. >> we want to talk about the fact they're bringing in the pinger locateors.

this is fantastic technology. explain why you're reluctant to believe that it's a tool that's necessary now. >> well, listen, when you're looking out from an airplane, can you look for miles and miles and miles. when you're looking for something with a sonar gear, can you only detect something that's two miles away. so much you go from being able to look over a huge area to only being able to look at a tiny area very slowly. the pinger detector will be very useful once we have a more precise idea of where it's located. >> we heard one of the search personnel saying he needs an area that's one thousandsth of what we have right now.

are you feeling like we can't hold out hope on that? >> i don't think the ping ser going to be in play anymore. i think our chances of finding it based on that data is close to zero right now. >> you really do? >> yeah. if it's even working. these have proven so unreliable in the past. >> but the fact is we know and it was, again, a different situation, air france, they found that two years later. so the pinger would not have been in play but they also knew where the black box roughly could be. >> they had a much, much better idea than we do now and they had a terrible condition. it was the most difficult search to date. so we're in a much worse position than that. well, i should add that the pinger wasn't even working in the case of air france 447. we're talking about the lawn

mower going back and forth. >> jeff, it's always a pleasure. thanks so much. >> new questions and new information. the cycle continues in the search for the malaysian plane and other breaking news overnight as well so let's get right to it. >> it's a very low probability of detection if that is our search area. >> we will keep searching for quite some time to come. >> the effort is ramping up, not winding down. >> we want evidence, we want truth, we want our family. >> a 5.1 magnitude quake that struck in orange county followed by more than 100 after shocks. >> this was way beyond anything i had ever experienced. >> the ukrainian army is really getting ready for war. >> these forces are creating a climate of fear and intimidation. >> the clock is ticking and we are told the search is intensifying for flight 370. here is the latest. a u.s. navy ping locateor,

supposedly a is he sophisticated asset is headed to the indian ocean on board an australian ship. the four objects spotted by aircraft turned out to be discarded fishing equipment not related to the flight. there are more assets involved, ten planes, ten ships desperately looking for any debris connected to the missing jetliner. let's go to paula newton for the latest. >> reporter: chris, this search is being intensified. it's not just the ten ships and ten aircraft, it's also helicopters. why is that crucial at this point? as i'm speaking to the crews, they're telling me when they do spot the debris in the water, they within just a few hours will be able to take a look at it themselves. i have to tell you with those objects turning out to be

fishing objects, it is demoralizing. the crews say we're trained at this and we're giving it our best shot. in the next knew whew days this will be our best opportunity to find the wreckage of 370 if there's anything to find in the indian ocean. chris? >> i'll take this. it seems to be new leads but they don't always work out. david soucie and mary schiavo join us. good morning to you again this morning. they have set up a new australian joint agency coordination center to take the lead in synchronizing the search efforts in perth. from your perspective was that lacking at this point? are is this just another agency?

>> in this phase of the investigation, you have to assure all the evidence goes to one place. it's not uncommon in an accident investigation to have subteams and i would suspect that's what this is about, making sure all these different governments, when they find it, they have a standard idea of getting more sightings. but as we see more sightings, we see a lot of it is trash. they say a lot of what they're looking at is rubbish. is that promising that they're at least finding rubbish or does that not tell you anything?

>> a lot of the pieces are the orange actually didn't ring true to me because there's not much on the plane that is orange. but luggage, shoes, baggage containers, food carts, that can flow. but. >> and when they spot debris, david, they obviously -- first you spot it from the plane. then the ships are in the area. they go to pick it up and then they determine one way or the other. if they have brought something on the ship that is clear it's not -- say a dead squid, which was something we saw this morning, how long do you think it would take to get informing? do you think the pieces would be so broken up and so demolished, you would need closer inspection or do you think it's going to be

obvious? >> boeing is very good for remember, these aircraft, about every two or three fight of any metal structure on this aircraft, which even honey comb structures is identified with a part number. that part number will start with either 200 or 300 on this airplane. so it's identified, it should be very readily voufable. as mary pointed out, shoes, baggage, these other things are more indicative in a site like this. . >> and one of the big concerns there is this new area. you are still talking miles upon miles going down. we're not even looking there at this point. let's talk about the underwater search that will eventually happen, mary. where are you at this point entering our fourth week of this

search? or do you think there's still real hope to send out the. >> well, i think the earlier part of your question might be the key. i would like to know the national transportation safety board, faa, the australian experts, but that they're looking at the data to try to further refine the search area. given this late date, any refinement, any shrinking of that area to use the pink there is a sense of surgecy. if the equipment worked like it's supposed to, we'll have a few good days. i've seen cases where the batteries have lasted shorter than 30 days.

>> i would like to see better data. >> and, david, i know that you have some strong opinions about how that black box, the possibility that black box is still working. >> right, for two as spets. they've but i do. >> and what does that do? >> it kills the battery life basically and there's no way to check it when they put it on the sea craft. i have concerns this pinger may not go as long as it was supposed to to. but as mary pointed out, if it was working fine, they do go bast 30 days. i'm just not confident we're looking that the. >> how do we further refine the

search? it was a big announcement, we moved closer to perth and more north in this refined search area. that was a better analysis of the existing data that was had, when more minds kind of came together in this big analysis group. how do we first refine the search area. is it. >> getting tweets from lead professors at columbia, at harvard, everywhere else in the world that are specialists saying let me provide my opinion to you the more information at nount, since you're lacking confidence in the data, let's get some more opinions, some more options. >> mary, do you have acheit on

th that. >> it's hard for me to tell because i'm not on the australian sear australian ship. and also there are a couple of u.s. ships. if they think they've got it, they'll call in the "grapple" and the "grasp." we'll know if they think they've got it because that will be called in. >> hopefully they'll get that call soon. chris? >> north and south korea exchanging artillery fire. now, this started with the north conducting military drills and then spilled over into south karina waters. the south koreans didn't like it

let's bring in jim sciutto. great to have you. now, important to note before we deal with this incident, the past is prolog. there have been deadly transactions between these two before, yes? >> yes. people are lobbing artillery shells. it's dangerous. and leading up to it as well, you have other threats coming out of north korea. just yesterday the threat of a another nuclear test. missile launches last week, which the u.s. con dumbed. then you had this assassination inside the very center of the north korean camp. this is a very dangerous place both inside the country and outside the country. >> when you hear they shot fire

but it wasn't really at each other, you can't go by that? >> absolutely. there was an exchange of artillery fire a couple of years ago and south koreans died. >> hundreds of rounds, too? >> absolutely. that leads to to react. and this is the kind of thing that's hard to control. and the real difference here now, north korea has hauls been provocative. they're becoming more predictable. and not just for americans, but even for the chinese. the chinese have been kind of like the north korea whisperers for us, they have the best contacts. but when the chinese db, to understand when they're truly serious and when they're not really serious. you don't have that now.

you had a chinese military spokemans that isn't. >> and possibly not the best american envoy for that situation. >> meat. >> kate? >> also happening now, russian prime minister dmitry medvedev is visiting this morning. john kerry discussing the issue in a four-closed meeting session in paris. so far of course, no agreement. nearly 60 russian troops have

massed inside a carl? >> kate, the russian border is just ten miles that way and here the ukrainian military have set up a range of tents. there's logistics, there's supplies here and also importantly a medevac hospital. you don't set one of those be unless you are planning to come to blue given, what these troops are preparing for is some kind of tank battle with the russians across these potato fields. but the civilian pop laegs is not they're dividing up into self-defense committees and they say they, too, would join any fight going in as troops and

fighting the russians and the swarence. we heard a priest talking to the congregation there and he said -- he certainly wasn't saying you've got to surn the other cheek. he was saying quite the contrary. he was sanding this the camp kpn but he says ike logical warfare is already under way. back to you, carla. >> let's take a look at your other headlines right now. today is the last day of enrollment for obamacare, sort of. it's giving people who started or had difficulty signing up a little bit of wiggle room. the swous now calling the program a success, touting 6

million visitors by last week. the final tally could take weeks to determine. >> search operations get back under way in washington state more than a week after that devastating mudslide. the death who will has risen to 30 people. investigators tell cnn they will be in activity rescue mode as long as there's any possibility of life. >> and a 5.1 magnitude earthquake in california. >> frightening moments. campus police shot and killed a gunman near a college complex.

the suspect gave chase and that's when the shots were fired. police say the case suis under investigation. >> on sunday a u.s. district judge overruled samsung's objection to showing a video. they say the video suggests that apple's products are patentable and innovative. those are your headlines at the hour. it's nice to see the two of you. haven't been together in a while. >> the family is back together. coming up on. the question is, do they have the basis for keeping these two men under suspicion? we'll talk to a reporter who has

done interview with friends and others. >> and we'll go inside politics with bill clinton. what he says the party is doing wrong with regard to obamacare.

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good morning and welcome back to "new day." so far nothing has connected the pilots to the loss of the plane. the question is why do investigators keep focusing on them? this morning i talked to a wall street journal reporter who has

taken one of the deepest looks yet at the pilots. mark, thank you for joining us. they are still a focus for investigators under this cloud of suspicion and the question is why? what have you developed? last start with the co-pilot, fariq. what did you learn? >> as you mentioned, this was his first fully unsupervised co-pilot position on the boeing 777. he emerges as a young guy, there's less that's known about him because his record at the company want too long, who had filled in all the boxes and really wand to fly. >> so the question comes to motive. once incident about inviting women into the cockpit. did it mean anything in your reporting? >> one thing to remember on that is that the pilot, and this was

not with captain. >> harry. the pilot also hasful control. this is a beg. >> so this is an earlier indent. that takes us to the pilot, long history with the company. you developed some interesting looks at him as a prn that we haven't heard of before. a sweetness to him, that he had a side business that you should tell us about. people referred to him as a poor man's tom cruise for making it in as one out of a dozen of 5,000 to make it in. what are some of the sweeter sides of his story, himself profile? >> he comes across as pretty modest. there's still a vestige of this

pride of nation building. and he was -- when he would introduce himself at various van events, he didn't tell people hooveshe was a pilot. that says quite a bit. he loves to cook where being in a part of the world where that was quite important, he would kick people ot of the kitchen and make dinner for everybody. he's been characterized as a geek, as has been broadcasting on technical issues and was able to lane on pain points. his political background, the questions about it lead us down the road of karaoke.

tell us how. >> he was kind of nudged to sing with the local m.p. from his district. they performed "hotel california," the m.p. told me thashl r terrible rendition but he was a fun guy. he showed up at some of the local political events in aernl 2013 or late 2012. this -- the sense that i got was that this is a time when you saw a real transition in the malaysian political context and there were tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of in the end he was like many, many other people looking for an alternative. >> the last of course is the

flight simulator, his activity online. part it have is completely innocent. him showing people how to save gas with they run their air conditioner. did you hear anything about the flight simulator, how it was used and what it might mean? >> on the face of it, no. a couple of pilots told us i hike to fly, too, but this is slig slight. >> it's very hard to get a grip on it but there was a long history of loving flying, the day of the penalty. >> hard to find people to speak against him. creates more questions in a situation that is desperate for answers. mark, thank you slech for sharing your wall street journal

are. coming up next on new day" more passengers have arrived in malaysia for what's being described as high-level meetings with the government there. but are they getting the answers that they want? and inside politics with russian troops amassing on the border with ukraine. we'll look at the fight over how the u.s. react to keep russia at bay. i understand. (dad) we've never sold a house before. (agent) i'll walk you guys through every step. (dad) so if we sell, do you think we can swing it? (agent) i have the numbers right here and based on the comps that i've found, the timing is perfect. ...there's a lot of buyers for a house like yours. (dad) that's good to know. (mom) i'm so excited.

26 minutes after the hour. let's take a look at your headlines. over 1,100 men and women on 20

ships and planes are now searching the indian ocean for flight 370. orange objects spotted turns out to be discarded fishing gear. right now u.s. navy ping detector is on an australian army warship. this should be there by mid week. time is running short to find the black box. its battery shelf life expires in the next few days. north and south korea exchanging artillery fire. the north was connecting live military drills when some of its shells landed in the south korean waters. the south returning military fire. >> new york senator chuck schumer demanding a federal review of the world trade center after daredevils snuck to the top of the sky scraper twice. to make matters worse, a newspaper published a picture of

a world trade center guard sleeping on the job. the port authority insists it has taken significant steps to tighten things up and is inviting federal officials to tour the site once again. >> a man climbed over the white house fence. he's now facing charges this morning. he was arrested on the north lawn. this sent the white house into lockdown for a short time yesterday. >> have you seen "frozen"? it shows no signs of cooling at the box office. it's now the highest grossing animated film ever. it surpassed "toy story," which had held the top spot since 2010. i'm thinking of having like a kidlet kind of weekend. i'm going to see the "muppets" and "frozen." >> i have seen that movie eight times. >> i was with some kiddies this

weekend. >> i've seen it so many times. i now don't like snowmen. but the kids love it every time they see it more. >> is frozen on rotation yet at your household? >> eight times mr. cuomo has seen this movie? >> i'm going low on this. >> even though he roots for the wrong team, he is as grateful as me that it is opening day. even though, again, he roots for the wrong team. >> notice the pin stripes, my brother. >> no, world champion boston red sox. >> not just opening day, it's big deadline day for obamacare.

let's get right to this. the administration says, hey, we messed up the roll-out. i want to say if you log on to healthcare.gov right now, you might not get on. they're having maintenance issues. some of us have tried and got on. i tried a half dozen times in my office, three times i got on, three times i didn't. the white house says we're close to 6 million, if you add in the people on medicaid, we're close to 10 million. >> i think they're cooking the books on this. people want to know the answers to that. when all is said and done, what kind of insurance will people actually have? >> the republicans will not back down. they're saying it's a failure, don't trust the numbers. if the numbers are correct and they've recovered, how do they change the narrative? >> to start, we have no evidence that the white house is cooking

the books and the 6 million figure is not true. the figure is a good number for the white house. we don't know what the figure means. how many of those people did not have insurance before obamacare started, what kind of plans are they getting now? how many of those people will pay for their premiums? even though it looks like a good answer for the white house, there's a lot of unanswered questions across the country, democrats are saying different things depending where you go in the country. here's a democrat who know as little bit about a med term election defined by health care. bill clinton was president in '94. bill clinton told us the real clear politics over the weekend. "democrats had a tendency to shy away from things they had done that were popular, talk about positions they had that were popular and my own experience convinced me that was always a terrible mistake."

bill clinton says if you own it, embrace it. we'll don't see that from democrats. we'll see it if see it from the president. on deadline day, no public events. why isn't the president out there saying you have a few more hours and i'm in search of this project. >> that's not what democrats really want. they don't want this to be the driving issue in the election. this brings republican voters out to the polls, not democratic voters. the message sent is don't run away from the law because you voted for, it you can't get away from it. but this is not the issue that you necessarily want to be running on. you want to talk about things like income inequality, things they believe -- on obamacare they are want to run away from it or change the subject.

>> and eight whole lot easier for someone like bill clinton -- we'll see if the president changes his mind. sometimes he thep do at events. you're just back from the president's international trip. at the beginning of it, the crisis in ukraine dominated. he tried to get the european allies to stay together on sanctions. i want you to listen to dianne feinstein. she thinks that russia's take on crimea is permanent. >> the crimea is dominantly russian. a referendum was passed. that i think has been done. >> the tone there leads you to believe many in congress are thinking the goal now is to stop putin from going further. is that what they're thinking at the white house? >> private live that is what they are thinking. they won't say as much publicly

because that's largely an admission that the u.s. and allies have no focus. >> at love peop privately a lot of people in the administration agree with dianne feinstein, that crimea is basically gone. >> secretary kerry, the administration says publicly that putin not on has to pull his his troops back but they should i didn't know to this. so some skeptics think that is the end game. if putin were to back off and not take more at least for now they would accept that as the status quo? >> that's right. once you saw putin come in,

there was some hope this could be resolved diplomatically this. what putin wants is not necessarily a diplomatic situation. and prolong the military incursion into ukraine. >> in vegas over the weekend, the meeting was hosted bit republican mega donor sheldon adelson. among those out there, jeb bush was out there, chris christie went out there,al early favor of this group pe -- perhaps it's a little self-serving. >> any republican talking about

the election is doing a disservice to the party. >> the whole thing with the adelman weekend, we all know behind the scenes you have candidates wooing mega donors. there's almost something icky about it. >> they used to hide the big money stuff. >> to get chris christie to apologize for something? you don't see chris christie making an apology like that unless there is someone powerful, someone who can really drive republican politics. >> i was just having an exchange with someone who was there over the weekend. they did talk a lot about 2014. and they were ready to get into

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welcome back to "new day." we're just hearing search operations have concluded for the day and there is nothing significant to report in the continuing search for flight 370. despite the lack of findings, australia's prime minister insists his country will solve the mystery of the disappearance of the flight and now an australian ship with special equipment on board to find the black box is en route. let's go live to will ripley on board one of the ships the endian -- indian ocean. >> we just got an update about

two minutes ago from the australian defense force. the lights behind me, that's the "ocean shield." they're lifting up the gangway, making final preparations to move off. on board this ship is really, really high technology from the u.s. navy. there's a black box pinger locator that can listen for the sound from the data recorders on the flight. there's also an underwater drone to scan the ocean floor. the technology won't be useful unless we can narrow down the size of the search area. but they want to get this ship in place just in case they get a more clear idea of where the debris is. again, the ship ready to take off just moments from now. chris? >> thank you very much for the reporting. you know, when it comes to the situation, there are a lot of questions, there a lot of push for answers here because we want to know how and why this

happened. but the main pressure is to get answers for the families of the missing. now there's that growing tension between the families and those vetting. in the latest twice, malaysia's prime minister won't say he's sorry to the families. many families are demanding one saying flight 370 was lost in a crash. they find that to be offensive. malaysians frm. that explanation is satisfying to no one. what is the explanation of, well, we're not saying it crashed, we're just saying itnded. what does it mean? >> they said back on the 24th that it had ended. it's basically a technicality. this is not what these families

want to hear. more than these weeks on, these families are emotionally and physically exhausted. we a dozen family members have just arrived in kuala lumpur to try to find out the truth about their missing loved ones. >> reporter: praying for lost souls. today the families of the missing seek refuge looking for peace in the midst of such tragedy. of the 239 people on board malaysia airlines flight 370, 154 were chinese citizens. "chinese are kind-hearted people," says this relative but we will never forgive those who hid the truth and the criminals who delayed the rescue missions. within an hour they added to the

mounting president on the malaysian government for we want evidence, we want proof, we want our family. malaysia airlines' c o'o says they will fly families to perth only after official recognition that wreckage has been found. this woman begged please don't stop looking, please lick -- to do whatever we reasonably can and we can. >> the acting transsupport minister was asked what happens if you never actually find this plane? he answered that out of respect for the families, that was not

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welcome back to "new day". california officials are assessing the damage from not one but two earthquakes and over 100 after shocks that rocked los angeles this weekend. a 5.1 magnitude quake struck friday followed the next day by

a 4.1 trembler. the quakes should be a wake up call, a period of recent calm could be coming to a devastating end. here's stephanie elam with more. >> the floor separated from the walls. >> reporter: in case southern californians forgot this is earthquake country. >> being it was a jolt, it's more scary. >> reporter: mother nature provided the reminder over the weekend. a 5.1 quick that struck in orange county on friday followed by over 100 after shocks. still a lot of activity where it's been unusually dormant. >> there was way beyond anything i had ever experienced. >> reporter: take a look at these pictures from friday's initial quake. bottles toppling off of store shelves, brick walls falling apart and a rock slide that left this car on its roof. >> we'll couple check everything. >> reporter: following the

shaker, 20 apartments south of los angeles were initially red tagged and then cleared but six homes were deemed structurally unstable displacing a couple dozen people. >> a lot more clean up and worried about more after shocks coming. >> reporter: on saturday a 4.1 after shock. even while scientists were in the middle of an earthquake briefing -- >> we're having an after shock now. >> reporter: -- after shocks continued to erupt. >> the last 20 years is one of the quietest periods we've had. that's not true for 2014. >> reporter: could it mean the big one is on the way? >> we have never found worldwide a pattern of building up and then you get the real big earthquake. that's not the way earthquakes look like. most are random. >> reporter: not a gentle reminder for californians to get prepared. amazing.

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we are giving it the very best shot we can. if anyone can find this aircraft, it's us. >> happening now new intensity in the search for flight 370. new tools to find the black box and new promises from the australian prime minister telling cnn they will do whatever is necessary. breaking overnight north and south korea opening fire on each other. hundreds of artillery shells exchanged, residents rush to shelters. what set it off. the evenings rising a frantic weekend in negotiations

between the u.s. and russia and with little agreement. but now this morning are russian troops pulling back? >> your "new day" continues right now. good morning once again. today search for flight 370 has just ended for the day, ten planes and ten ships comb the southern indian ocean for debris from the missing jet. australian pisofficials are reporting the aircrafts have returned with nothing to report. just days remain now before the battery in the boeing 777 black box goes dead if it hasn't already gone dead. let's bring in paula newton with the very latest.

paula? >> reporter: kate, we're just waiting for the last couple of planes to come back here to the air base. unfortunately, nothing new or significant for today. at the same time this search is moving into a whole new high gear. today search teams back to square one. debris sighted this weekend apparently leading to dead ends. four orange objects spotted by an awe australian reconnaissance plane and other floating objects that ships recovered turned out to be fishing equipment and dead jellyfish. >> none of these objects would lead to mh 370. >> reporter: as the search enters its fourth week the australian prime minister tells cnn they are not giving up. >> how long can this be sustained realistically? >> the effort is ramping up. >> reporter: ten aircraft and ten ships from seven countries among those ships australia's ocean shield prepping to depart

port. i toured the ship this weekend as crews outfitted the vessel with an unmanned under water robot and black box detector from the u.s. navy. the latest analysis of satellite and sonar radar has zoned in on this search area more than 1,000 miles off the coast of perth, australia. >> we got just very general information about where this aircraft has come down but nevertheless we're giving it the very best shot we can. >> reporter: the prime minister refusing to put a timeline on the search as distraught relatives of the missing passengers pray for their loved ones return at a buddhist temple in kuala lumpur. >> we owe to it the families of the 239 people on board. we owe it to the whole world which has been transfixed by this mystery now for some time. >> we will continue searching and we will keep investigating and we will never give up until we find out what happened to

mh-370. >> reporter: the message from the prime minister is everyone settle down get comfortable we'll be here at this investigation for months to come no matter what happens next and chris i have to tell you with those planes, ships and now helicopters, when they spot something they will be able to get to those objects much more quickly and really just scan much more territory. all right, paula, obviously words comfort to a families. how legitimate will they remain to be over time. let's bring in mary schiavo from the department of transportation and ladies and gentlemen, mr. miles o'brien, certainly an esteemed member of the cnn family legacy, an aviation analyst for now and a science correspondent for pbs "newshour". mary, always a pleasure. now, we're going to maintain this search as long as it takes. that's what we need to hear. that's what families need to hear. but over time can we bank on the commitment of all these

countries and all these assets that they will stay looking as long as it takes? >> probably not all countries and all assets. word of the prime minister were very encouraging because i know a lot of us were wondering after the time for the black box and respectable measure of time after that runs out, how long can they keep, as they call it mowing the ocean before countries go home. those words are very encouraging and certainly that gave me the impression they were there not for the coming few days or weeks but, perhaps, as you mentioned months. >> now something that's been a point of curiosity for me and many following this story, give me a take on it. it still bothers people that in this age of surveillance, miles, we'll start with you, all these. >> y sovereigns you're off the coast of india, this huge aircraft is going through airspace that's very sensitive, especially with the tension between india and pakistan, nobody detects it. mary will say well it's not as

easy to detect as you think once you turn othe transponder surveillance. but you have this diago garcia. what's your take, miles? >> i think a little bit of all of that is in the mix, chris. a primary radar target should be something that a military radar should track, identify and of course get a fighter or two to intercept that's the whole idea of having a military defense shield. the bad guys don't identify what their altitude is. the reason we're not hearing a lot is either some people were asleep at the switch, or the radar did not perform as planned and there's some holes that have been exploited and discovered by this particular flight. it's extraordinary that there wasn't a fighter intercept of this particular aircraft. >> i mean, mary, look, you have

done so much of this. miles is a pilot as well. you know that this is probably the biggest question on people's minds in terms of leading home to a conspiracy is that this is the age where everybody knows everything and here you got diago garcia, so capable. it's in the area and didn't see this plane. what does that tell us? >> well, for me it tells me people get so complacent in their jobs and we saw this even before september 11, 2001. the airlines and the security companies were warned that something was afoot. people get so complacent day in and day out and we know they didn't see or didn't percept they could have seen if they were working a radar blip. they didn't get excited about it because they didn't send the fighter jets. what's amazing to me is over time how complacent people get at these jobs we perceive as very high importance and very high sensitivity such as air

traffic control and the radar that scans our skies and i've seen it many times in the u.s. and in u.s. for u.s. airports they get come play scene and just don't see it. >> it's interesting, miles, there's so much fascination with looking forward when will you find it, where will you find it. it will take time. it's frustrating. you really should be looking back. after air france they said you should have a longer battery life on the black box. after air france they said you should have it float to the surface as it does in military aircraft. after 9/11 we said we'll never be able to be taken by surprise by an airplane. have we learned these lessons? >> we don't learn them very well. the airlines are not going to do this unilaterally. it's a regulatory issue. until the governing bodies step up to the plate and say it's important that we be able to track a 777 wherever it is in

the world which in this day and age is not asking an awful lot and is not a technological problem. until the regulatory bodies at the various levels insist on this the airlines will not do this because they are in a tough business and looking to save pennies. in the end there's no saving. when you look at the cost not just financial but the emotional cost for these families right now is horrendous. >> that ends us with how this investigation is being conducted as we wait. mary, at this point having been through so many investigations and understanding logistics and necessary process do they have it coordinated the right way now? hat we're seeing between the families in malaysia that seems a little bit of just emotional difficulty them not wanting to hear the plane has crashed. do you think they are doing it the right way? >> i do think they are doing at any time right way. i think australia setting up the joint task force is really quite good because now it's removed from malaysia, people were suspicious of malaysia.

i think as time goes on we'll see that australia does play the lead role even though malaysia can't relinquish it. by setting up this task force i think it needs where it need be. the country wasn't flying the plane. it's not an australian airline. it's where it needs to be. there's a bit of irony here because the black boxes were invented in australia. it's very interesting, perhaps -- i've taken dozens and dozens of depositions of airline executives and when i ask them why they didn't do these things, they give the same answer, the faa didn't require it. we have to come back to government. government needs to require these things. >> one of these things, why are we so fascinated by this story. the mystery, of course, but all these side issues, how they are condubbed you can't find this plane but find a person through their cell phone. all these side questions about security and everything else make this very interesting as well.

mary schiavo, always important to have your perspective and you did let us know you're an aviation attorney. your introduction is so long it takes up half the segment. miles o'brien, my first time with you, a pleasure to be with you. tensions ramping up between north and south korea again. the two nations exchange artillery at sea overnight. it standarded with the north conducting military drills that spilled into south korean waters. >> reporter: a lot of concern that this could signal a new round of military provocation by north korea. they began these exercises off the western coast and their artillery shells landed in waters controlled by south korea. the north fired 500 artillery shells the south koreans fired back with 300. not the first time there's been

tensions in these waters. back in 2011, the north koreans fired a torpedo that sunk a south korean war ship. this latest incident comes one day after north korea hinted that it might conduct another nuclear test. this question of provocation very much on the minds of the pentagon right now and it comes as there are 13,000 u.s., south korean troops and other nations in south korea conducting their own military exercises. as always watching that peninsula. chris? >> gentleman barbara, thank you very much. in washington this morning some irony or just painful reality for obamacare. the open enrollment period is set to end today and this morning the system is down again. up to now sign ups were surging going so far to suggest they could hit obamacare's original 7

million sign up target. jim acosta is at the white house with more. jim, what's up with the system? >> reporter: you're right earlier this morning the website was down. they were calling in for maintenance. tech crew working on a software bug. i can tell you in the last couple of minutes i went whack on the website and now it says we need to you wait here so we can make sure there's room for you to have a good experience on our site. what we're hearing from an official is that they are now getting the website back up and running again but because of the surge of demand it's not exactly performing like it should right now. this has been the story throughout this whole process. it got start this way. that's the reason why administration officials say they may not hit that 7 million enro

enrol enrollee target. but the question is how many people have paid that coverage. that could bring down the overall enrollment coverage. and how many are young adults. they need the right mix of younger to sicker older adults to make it function properly. so we'll be watching that. for the rest of the day they are still trying to ramp up interest. joe biden goes on the rachel ratio later today so they are not backing down just yet. >> joe biden and rachel ray, one to watch. jim acosta thanks so much for that. sobering warning about climate change. a sweeping united nations report concludes the worst is yet to come. u.n. researchers say ice caps are melting, heat waves intensifying. climate change is having a sweeping effect. greenhouse emissions must be brought under control and quickly. former israeli prime minister convicted of bribery.

one of ten defendants found guilty in what some are calling the largest corruption scandal israel has ever seen. he admitted he took payoffs for a luxury property development. he left office in 2008. he denies taking bribes and faces up to ten years in prison. southern california keeps on shaking. more than 100 after shocks over the weekend. 5.1 magnitude quake struck orange county damaging more than a dozen homes. recent quakes in california break a decades long dry spell of significant seismic activity. in wyoming, a 4.8 earthquake shock yellow stone national park sunday. that's the largest kwag in the area in 34 years. tear gas and riot gear in albuquerque as protesters clash with police. they marched across the city protesting the number of shootings where police have been the ones to pull the trigger. there's been 37 shootings since

2010. 33 of them fatal. the mayor said one officer was hurt. general motors new ceo set to testify before congress tomorrow. we've learned federal regulators consider investigating gm back in 2007 and again in 2010 but declined. the auto giant is accused of knowing about a problem with faulty ignition switches for decades before issuing that recall. the problem has been linked to 13 deaths and 31 crashes. little comfort for those families to know that investigation -- >> one of the hardest things in these situations that come up is when you learn that the companies make assessments based on what might happen if they don't fix the glitch. what's more expensive, paying for even deaths or fixing it beforehand. >> how bad does it have to get? >> each time it winds up it becomes a matter of money.

>> now we'll face the music. >> i'm sure. play it wrong you pay. coming up on "new day," 24 days since flight 370 vanished. so many resources from so many nations now being used to find the jet but is it even close to enough? we'll take a look at what the search is and the conditions that are being faced by the men and women on those planes and ships. >> also ahead, diplomacy kicking into high gear over ukraine. are the russians poised to invade further or will they blink? christiane amanpour joins us next coming up. ask your doctor about safety information as serious eye problems may occur. visit airoptix.com for a free one-month trial. i dbefore i dosearch any projects on my home. i love my contractor, and i am so thankful to angie's list for bringing us together. find out why more than two million members count on angie's list. angie's list -- reviews you can trust.

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korea and we have the situation in ukraine and what looks like a possible further step in there by russia. is that true? let's break both of them down. let's bring in christiane amanpour. she will give us the latest. and our cnn chief senior correspondent. great to have you. let's look at the korean situation first. when we hear shots fired no one hit you may think it's not that important but what do people have to keep in mind about what has happened in this region before, what the history suggests and hat the unknown about north korea means in understanding what the future could hold? >> reporter: well that's exactly right. the unpredictability of the norwegi north korean leadership on their toes. there was a press spokesman who basically failed to rule out the possibility of another nuclear

test by north korea. that put all sorts of people on edge especially the south koreans. the north koreans faxed to, gave a warning to south korea that they are conducting military exercises. they don't usually fax these warnings or talk about them so they started firing and some shells fell into the sea in south korean territorial waters. south korea then respond but, again, into waters. so they are not firing at each other but some of these shells and things are going pretty close to each other. all of this could be called a legitimate accident or as it does worries people a lot and that's what's going on right now because north korea is unpredictable, this kim jong-un has conducted a nuclear test they are not ruling out another one, last week they fired two ballistic medium range missile and he's pushed into a corner by his actions and hunkering down,

building up his power and very interestingly interviewed a former british ambassador to korea a few months ago and said leaks at that time indicated that there would be a provocation, he said and i'm reading by note between january and march. we're at the end of march and it looks like this provocation has happened. >> quick follow on this before we go the ukraine. given the fact that even china seems somewhat unaware of hats going on in north korea and as jim shutto was saying, the north korea whiserror to the united states explaining what's going on. given the united states is trying to reach out diplomatically to all these countries, iran, syria, how do they do better with north korea than they are doing right now? >> reporter: well, look it's incredibly difficult because all sorts of efforts have failed and not gone very far in the past with various degrees of some success particularly back in

2007-2008. but since kim jong-un came to power all the indicators have been going backwards and that's problem. most people and here's the cliches that get churned out over and over again. this was a young man who had been educated in switzerland. everybody thought well maybe he's somebody the world can do business with. what he's shown is an exceptionally ruthless streak. he had his uncle and mentor executed in these show trials a few months ago, building his military close group. and even china which used that particular uncle as a conduit into north korea doesn't know what's going. people are flying blind figuring out what kim jong-un will do. he's drawing inwards and more militaryistic and it worries the neighbors and united states. >> speaking of more

militaryistic, more provocative and concerning we turn then to vladimir putin. do you believe there is a basis for concern that russia is planning further incursion into ukraine? >> well, look, again, i think many people are very, very concerned about that. the news today seems to be that they are reducing their military exercises on that border but, again, who really knows until people sort of evaluate satellite images and this and that. i have been talking to very senior european former ministers, former russian minister, former secretary of state and everybody is concerned about the next move. some people believe crimea was just the opening gambit in the words of the swedish foreign minister and putin could go further. others believe this is an impromptu kind of policy that sort of happened in crimea and

putin plays it as it comes. it's all very worrying because if you and next crimea how do you get into crimea from russia? there isn't a direct border. you need to go through some ukrainian territory. that is very worrying. will he go in there to form some kind of land corridor? we don't know. what we do know is diplomatic talks have been under way. foreign ministers of the united states and russia were talking in paris this weekend. there have been various political options of negotiations put on the table. and it really does remain to be seen whether ukraine, russia, the united states and those interested parties can actually solve this in some kind of diplomatic way because again it's very, very concerning and the neighbors of russia who fear that there might be some moving against them are very concerned as well, particularly with the moldovan situation. >> they are worried about the

same thing because of the past fraent danger that putin is fearless. we'll have to watch that. thank you very much for the perspective. hopefully time is on our side in terms of diplomatic efforts. russia is taking a beating economically. a lot of people pulling money out of russia. maybe that's something that will change their attitude. thank you. kate? coming up next on "new day" they have the best technology at their disposal to find flight 370 but it could be useless if the ocean doesn't cooperate. we'll talk about how much searchers are at the mersy of unstable weather conditions. later earthquakes leave people in southern california shaken and have many people wondering is this a signal that the big one is on its way? ♪

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time for the five things you need to know. number one u.s. navy pinger detector heading to flight 370 search zone on board an australian war ship to look for the plane's box. that's expected to arrive thursday. death toll from the washington mudslide now stands at 21. 30 other people remain missing.

the governor tells cnn officials will be in an active rescue mode as long as there's any chance of finding survivors. open enrollment ends tonight for obamacare. administration officials says interest has surged as the deadline approached. people who fail to get coverage will face a fine of 1% of their income. john kerry on his way to israel after his paris meeting with russia's foreign minister. they discussed the ukraine crisis but no diplomatic breakthroughs were announced. here are your matchups for final four. saturday night in dallas. the top overall seed florida take on connecticut followed by kentucky battling wisconsin. we always update those five things to know so go to cnn.com for the very latest. back now the massive search under way for flight 370 now missing for 24 days. despite the massive deployment of resources from seven different countries there has still not been one piece of confirmed debris picked up.

here to walk us through the challenges of this search as it continues major general james marks. major general thank you so much. we've been in this new search area for a handful of days now. to thing concrete has come out of it that we well know. let's put it in perspective of what we're talking about. this is in the middle of nowhere. the nicest way to say it. when you talk about the new refined searches area it's about the size of new mexico and folks might think at least it's not the entire size of the united states but we're not even sure that that's necessarily -- this is our best guess. >> correct. this is based on a number of calculations that have been done based on estimates of air speed, altitude, amount of fuel burned, sea states, wind directions. we haven't seen any hard evidence. but can you get close. so hopefully we're close but you're exactly correct. we could be looking very, very

precisely in the wrong area. >> very easy to do that in such a vast area. we're talking about this area the size of new mexico. with all the resources they have at their hands right now is that easy to cover? >> no. this is an extremely difficult task. we have a number of nations involved, a number of aircraft and ships. all of that has to come together and be coalesced and brought together. it's being done in perth. they created joint task force. this is a coalition of the willing. these nations raised their hands we're humanitarian, we care, we'll get involved. we don't know how long it will take or how long they will be there. but just bringing this all together is a monumental task. >> i want to ask you about this. let's offer some additional perspective. we're talking about the area of the size of new mexico. the good thing is this is closer to perth. closer to the take off point. >> used to be down here. >> now we're talking the distance from new york to key west. that's not a short distance to

say the least but still helping them to linger over the area longer, right? >> absolutely. this is still a very long commute but gives you shorter legs from perth out, gives you more time on station as they say, you mow the ocean and go across this area very methodically. this is not haphazard. it's a very controlled and dedicated effort. gives you and opportunity to spend more time there. >> and this is really an unusual and unprecedented effort, a coalition of countries coming together. seven countries, ten planes, ten ships in the area and we can show you all of it and we're talking about some of the most hi-tech surveillance aircraft that you can get. you really have every trick in your toolkit at your disposal that they are trying for. look at everything that's out there and all the nations that are coordinating this. how long can they keep up this level of assistance, do you think? >> kate, that's a great

question. the real effort here is each one of these nations is here because they want to be here. that's number one. number two, what will draw them away? if there's no confirming data here how long can they continue to do this? they have other missions. each one of these countries has a certain capability based on what they think they have to have in order to meet their national objectives. this is one of their national objectives right now. how long it can last is up to anybody's guess. the prime minister in australia said we're here for the long haul. this will work forever. malaysians have focus on this forever. the united states will be a part of this. this joint task force is going to remain in place and they will have other assets, they will be fewer in number as these nations go about their business. they have other things they have to do. >> they are already swapping out crews. i went up with the new zealand air force and already had to swap out their crew. they are flying more hours in one month, in a couple of days -- they were joke. this is more than we've done in

a month and we've done in a couple of weeks. we've talked a lot about the surface effort. but the problem is also the depth of this ocean. >> phenomenally deep here. amazingly deep. you could be sitting on the black box and you would have to ping a distance of almost three miles. >> you have this trench. the diamantina trench. we don't know if anything fell into the trench. but that poses a huge additional challenge. >> we can get down there. the nations have the capability. >> you really can get down that deep? >> you can get down there. the challenge is are we in the right area? how can we continue network, what evidence we can find to refine this search area then if you have to get deep you go deep. >> that's really deep.

you can't go on a fishing expedition. >> correct. there's a process. a lot of process that's taking place right now. we need to hope you begin to eliminate options to further refine. just like we've eliminated that northern track. >> right. >> there are indicators that would have popped up had that been viable. we would have seen ingenuous. we can discount that. we need to take that same type of analysis. >> you'll take some optimism and hope and comfort in the fact we're refining. well it's never going to be fast enough for all the families waiting for answers. eliminating, refining we're now to the size of new mexico. see if we can get it any further. major general thank you very much for your expertise. chris? >> if we'll talk about the challenges, boy you got to talk about the conditions there as well not just the search pa parameter. when we come back we'll have a live report on one of the ships that's out in the elements right now. more bad elements going on in

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welcome back to "new day". could this be a season of big earthquakes. on sunday we saw the largest earthquake in 34 years at yellowstone national park. that came after two strong earthquakes in as many weeks in southern california that were followed by a whole load of after shocks. now some scientists are concerned about a fault that could bring an even stronger earthquake. the fault that runs along a large swath of southern

california. dr. lucy jones is a seismologist with the usgs and a visiting research associate at caltech seismicologyical institute. it's 5:00 a.m. there in california but as you said seismologists are up when there's an earthquake. i guess this has been a busy couple of weeks for you? >> yes. it's on the big scale these aren't very big earthquakes but right under a lot of people. a lot of people felt them. it's been abnormally quiet in l.a. since the northridge earthquake. it's a surprise to people who moved here recently. >> let's talk about that, a couple of things here. i think people are surprised that there's been a lull since northridge back in '94. is that surprising? is that unusual or is that telling? >> well, it's not -- it doesn't imply bigger quake in the future when you're not having earthquakes you're not having earthquakes. but it's also something we can't have as a long term.

we've actually seen this happen before, the rate goes up and down and it's been so quiet that can't be the long term at some point we have to turn back up. now we've had these two big earthquakes, definitely more than we've been having for quite a while. maybe we've returned to a higher level we'll know after another year or so and see what other things happen. >> that's the big question. we were talking about the fact that there were all of these after shocks, 100 at least they were saying. and a lot of people, you know what, locals say that means we're in for the big one or earthquake weather. there's nosey evens to that, is there? >> no. what it is is that people want to make patterns out of the earthquakes because the randomness is what makes them frightening. we find patterns in anything. we make constellations. after shocks are very normal. people have forgotten what the after shocks to a five look like because it's been so long. this is an absolutely average

sequence and we're going to be feeling some more after shocks over the next week two. we might even have a felt after shock a month or more away. people forget that's hat the normal pattern is. >> you talked about that is the randomness of this and we're looking for patterns. there's no pattern, no tell tale signs. we can't -- the best we can do is so understand these faults and from what i can tell there is a whole variety of them underneath los angeles and all through southern california? >> well, that's right. we have over 100 faults large enough to produce at least a magnitude six and we have almost 11 million people in the county alone. now, we thought mapping the fault would tell us where the really big earthquakes were and northridge happened on a fault we haven't mapped. after that we went and looked for other faults like that and that's when we found this puente

hills thrust. that was discovered in the '90s. we've done models what a big earthquake would be like on it. this is the first earthquake close to it since we knew it was there. it's not actually on the main surface but in part of the damage zone that's around the fault. >> tell us more about this puente hills thrust fault. a lot of people are familiar with san andreas and a few others we know about. tell us about this. they take on their own sort of personality, don't they? >> well, yes, to a certain extent. the san andreas is the big shoey one that has a big earthquake very rapidly like every 100 to 150 years. puente hills is a slower moving fault. their quakes are once every 2,000 years or so. but when they happen, they are extraordinarily devastating because being right on top of a fault makes things very

different. and this fault runs under all of the most densely-populated and oldest parts of the city. so we have a lot of buildings that are built before we had building codes sitting right on top of this and that's why our big concern in l.a. is about hat we call the concrete buildings and softer story apartment buildings the ones tucked under parking those we've seen kill people in previous earthquakes, they are widespread across the city and we need to find a way to get rid of them. >> you have been working with the city and county to get los angeles ready. the fact is it's been a while. some of us are out of practice. give us a little refresher of the best things -- especially you think about los angeles is a destination for many visitors from around the world who maybe are not familiar what to do in case an earthquake shakes. give us a little preparedness. >> okay. that's a good point. for all those visitors who come

entrepreneur stingt when an earthquake comes is to run outside. that's a very bad thing to do. you can injure yourself running and you run into the path of things flying around. we say drop, cover hold on. get to the ground before the earthquake throws you there. then see if you have something that can cover you to protect you from flying objects and hold on to it. that's very important. we practice it each year in the shake out because it's against our instincts but it's the safest things to do. and then there's a lot of other things if you live here or visiting here that you can do. earthquake country.org has the seven steps to earthquake safety. because, in fact, most damage is preventable. and most houses in los angeles are not built to the most recent code and can be made safer. i'm strongly encouraging anybody who owns a building, talk to an engineer or a foundation specialist and figure out what you can do to make it safer because if we don't kill people in our building, but we can't

use them after the earthquake how many people will stay here and we'll have real trouble getting our economy going again. >> very good point. always a pleasure to talk to you. thank you so much for getting up so early here on "new day". important stuff. >> thank you for having me. >> drop, cover and hold on. good advice during an earthquake. same advice we give you while watching this show. we'll take a break. on "new day" when we come back we'll go inside the search for flight 370. a pinger locater is on the way to search for the miss flight. that's good, right? hat is it? we'll tell you what a pinger locater is. we'll show you the ship it's on and be right alongside it. givem the basics, you know. i got this. [thinking] is it that time? the son picks up the check? [thinking] i'm still working. he's retired. i hope he's saving. i hope he saved enough. who matters most to you says the most about you.

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an australian ship with a usa navy pinger findser just left on its way to the search zone. a very frustrating day at sea over 1100 men and women are on planes and ship but found no sign of the missing jet.riply i. >> reporter: we're in a charter fishing boat following closely behind the ocean shield as it makes its way towards the indian ocean. it depart ad few minutes ago, traveling about 15 knots. it will take about three days to reach the search zone. on this ship may be technology that's our best an only hope in solving the mystery of flight

370. there's a giant microphone they drag behind the ship and i want listens for pings. that microphone only has a one mile radius and heading a search zone the size paradise cove land. there's a drone on board that can go under water and map out debris that's laying on the ocean surface. but without a clear idea where the wreckage might be, without clear sightings of debris we're sending this ship out with technology we can't utilize properly. the hope is that in the coming days as the ocean shield heads towards the search zone the searchers can find some sort of evidence that brings us closer to where flight 370 disappeared and then the technology can truly be put to use. chris, kate. >> thank you very much for that. as he said it's so important they have to refine the search area, have to get a better idea of where this is. that pinger locater should get there we're told, get to the site by thursday. so how does the hi-tech device

actually work? many are asking this. let's bring in ian petersen who has a better look. >> reporter: this is what they are trying to find. everybody is talking about finishing. can you hear what they are looking for as they scan the ocean. can't give you the sound. let's talk about it. the commercial aircraft is looking for this pinger. i want emits the sound about every second. this is what they are looking for. that boat will slowly tow about three to four knots, one to five knots and bring up a microphone off the tail end. that's what we're looking for every second whether or not it even has that battery life. assuming it does the next concern is the depth. we're talking about only hearing of a depth up 20,000 feet. in most recent days dhaengd that search area so now we have that broken ridge as you go farther to north. what does that mean? some of the areas in this broken ridge have a depth farther than that 20,000 feet. there will be some blind spots

here that that craft won't be able to hear as it makes its way through some of that depth going to 21,000 feet. that's one of the difficulties they will have. now what are we looking at? we have satellites. why can't we find this stuff? we have two satellite, an orbit satellite that's close to the earth and another one way up there. what you do know closer to the earth the resolution is better. why don't we use the one closer to earth. let me show you the why. the one closer to the earth rotates around the poles. it goes around and round so it only looks at one spot of the earth twice a day. only one during the day. we have another satellite further up. resolution is not as high but can you get that information about 15 minutes to two to three hours. they need to make that resolution stronger. with that it may still be way too far up. that's a concern. why does it take four days to

analyze this data why can't we see anything? there you go. the satellite with a higher resolution may only pass one time a day, the other one may be too high to see something. that's the concern, guys. >> all the challenges they are up against. >> the more you learn about this seems like they are almost the perfect situation to make the search so difficult. and we'll keep following it. that was very helpful. thank you. coming up a little girl does a very brave thing and gets punished for it. will that stand? not if the good stuff has anything to say about it. stay tuned. ♪

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>> my friend we bring you the good stuff. why do schools sometimes just not get it? case in point. colorado girl does such a very brave thing. her name is 9-year-old cameron. what does she do? she she was a her head to support her best friend who is bat alligator rare form of childhood cancer. we love this. for her act of kindness she gets suspended from school. why? turns out it is a violation of the dress code. are you kidding me?

cameron's mother understandably shocked. >> we knew that we would suffer a little bit of, from the school just as far as trying to get it changed. i had no idea it would spiral out of control like it had. >> so the school board catches wind of this mockery and the suspension is, of course, of course, not only to invite her back but they hold a special vote to praise her. cameron said she did not need that to know that she had done the right thing. >> she was like really excited and she was like jumping up and down that i did it. >> 9 years old already knows better than the teachers in her own school. cameron's facebook message she puts out there, her mother offered her thanks. now that we've seen how much two little girls can change the world and touch the hearts we're asking that will attention to embrace awareness of childhood cancer and we'll help you do

that by putting this story out there as the good stuff. silver lining the school bungling this the way it did helped to get more attention. >> that's right. the silver lining is they did get it right eventually. >> are you kidding me? right out of the mouths of babes. very good stuff. time for news with miss carol costello. thanks so much. have a great day. "newsroom" starts now. happening now in the "newsroom" breaking this morning malaysian authorities asking the united states for more military assets to find flight 370. as families demand answers. >> we will continue searching and we will keep investigating and will never give up. >> this morning the ocean shield heads out to sea in hopes of