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by 8:00 a.m., back up online. but it is experiencing delays, because of the crush of last-minute applicants. thanks, everyone, for being part of our hour. it's been good to have you with us. my colleague, wolf blitzer, starts right now. hello, i'm wolf blitzer, reporting from the cnn center in atlanta. new information about the final communication between the crew of the missing malaysia airlines plane and air traffic controllers. here's what we know right now. malaysia's transport ministry says the last voice transmission from the cockpit was, quote, "good night malaysian 370." previous officials told cnn and other news organizations the last known words were, quote, all right, good night. the latest objects retrieved from the indian ocean turned out to be fishing equipment and a dead jellyfish. 11 ships and 10 aircrafts
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scoured the area today, without finding anything connected to the plane. an australian ship set sail today to join the search. it will take three days to reach the area. malaysian authorities say they've asked investigators to release the full transcript of the final communication with the missing plane flight 370. for more on that and the latest on the search effort, let's go to perth, australia. paula newton is standing by. paula, what's the significance of this new information about the last voice communication with the cockpit, with the plane's captain and co-captain? how does it differ specifically from earlier language, and what's the assessment, the change? what does it mean? >> reporter: well, the assessment from what he had said earlier, first off, they first said it was the co pilot who said this, and then now it turns out they want to look at their transcript again and look at the audio. and now they can't decide if it's the pilot or the co pilot. more than that, it comes ever so
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slightly closer to what normal protocol would be. we're told it's still not normal protocol for a pilot or a co pilot to say either/or. but secondly, wolf, it actually puts a lot of the credibility of the malaysian government at the heart of this. we have been hearing from the relatives of those missing from that flight again and again, they cannot take this. they can't take all the contradictory information. they want to know what's right. and they're saying, look, if you had taken a look at the transcript, why didn't you know this before? especially if it's so very material to whether or not flight 370 was routine up until the point it disappeared from radar. wolf? >> it's not just the transcript, paula. they have an actual recording of the conversation between the captain, the co-captain, as well as ground control, the air traffic controllers. they don't even need a transcript. they can just listen and now it's taken so long to change, "all right, good night" to the official according to the press release from the ministry of malaysia, "good night malaysian
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370." what's taking them so long? >> reporter: well, they are still confused about whether or not it is the voice of the pilot or the voice of the co pilot. so even with that audio recording, as you say, wolf, they're still verifying it. and i think perhaps the families could have taken if they came out and said, look, we just don't know. but in releasing the early information and then being definitive that it was the co pilot, now going back on that, obviously, the families throughout this are saying, look, what do you know? what do you really know? and if you know something, we want to see the evidence of how you know that. i should say, wolf, that the malaysian government has said their next meeting with those family members, they will release the full transcript of those last few moments of that flight. >> i'm sure they want more than the transcript. they want the actual audio recording of that conversation. the full transcript in the -- in english, as it was provided, that would be an excellent start. but the audio recording, they should release that, as well. let's talk a little bit about the search, paula. what's going on right now?
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because even though they have come up so far with nothing, they're stepping up the effort. >> reporter: absolutely. it's ramping up here into the fourth week, we're now into a completely tirvet different phase of this operation. one, we have up to 12 ships in the area scanning that ocean surface, along with at least ten airplanes in the air tomorrow. more than that, perhaps a handful of helicopters. what that means is when they spot debris, they'll be able to go and investigate it very quickly, within a matter of hours. and then there is the tow pinger locater and that blue fin 21, which will look for the flight data recorders. that "ocean shield," australian ship with the important u.s. navy equipment and commanders have set off for the search site, won't be there for a couple days. it means if they can narrow that search zone, they might have a shot at looking at that ocean floor and looking at it for those crucial flight data recorders. i have to tell you, wolf, talking to the lead commander on that operation, the u.s. navy
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captain, mark matthews, he tells me the search area has to be a thousand times smaller than it is right now for him to have a good look at the ocean bed there. wolf? >> what a daunting, daunting challenge. paula newton in perth for us, thank you. let's bring in our panel of experts to get their perspective on these latest developments. mark weise is an aviation analyst, former 777 pilot for american airlines. peter goelz, managing director. tauchl tom fuentes, former assistant director of the fbi. peter, first to you. what do you make of this revised final communication from "all right, good night" to "good night malaysian -- not mh, but malaysian 370." what , if anything, should we read into that. >> what you read into it is, now you understand why the chinese families are so upset. with the malaysian government. this kind of correction, which
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is not minor, is just simply inexcusable, and inexplicable. what, they need to release the tower tapes right away. let people hear them. there's nothing secretive on them. and how they could -- how they could screw this up is just inkrentzab inkrentzable. >> to see what the pilot or co pilot had to say. mark, you're a 777 pilot. you're leaving malaysian air space, you're going into vietnamese air space. you want to complete the conversation with ground control, air traffic controllers in malaysia. what would you normally say? >> well, you know, what's come out is much more typical and much more related to ikao, the international krifl aviation organization, standard phrase og. malaysia, malaysia airlines flight 370, that would be acceptable. but, you know, there was questions about who was talking
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on the radio. and one simple way to find this out, particularly remembering that this pilot had the -- the co pilot had about 2,700 or 2,800 hours. pretty new. on the ground, that airplane would have been taxied out and on the ground by the captain. and the radio transmissions on the ground would have been from the co pilot. so then in the air, typically whoever is flying the airplane, the other pilot would be working the radio. so it's an easy way to understand who is making that communication. >> and would you say normally "good night malaysian 370?" >> yeah, that's much more in keeping with "all right, good night." typically, i do that. but one of the things that's never come out, what was the time lag between that transmission and the vietnamese air traffic controller trying to
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make contact, either with another aircraft in the area, because they hadn't picked up malaysia 370 on radar, or when the malaysia -- when the vietnamese controller would have made his first call to malaysia 370. that's an interesting time lag that hasn't come out yet. >> tom, this is not that complicated to release at least the transcript, the official transcript. not a translated version. there was a transcript the newspaper published that was translated into mandarin and then back into english. obviously, the retranslation, you can lose important nuances, lose important words. why don't they just release the transcript and maybe hold off on the audiotape, if they don't want to release that. but why not just the transcript? >> wolf, i agree. i have no reason why they wouldn't. they've made their own bad situation worse for themselves by not doing it. and this change, you know, is -- is as peter mentioned, inexcusable. they have known since the first
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night what was said to air traffic control on the radio. and how it was said. and probably who said it. and three, four weeks later, they shouldn't be guessing at it and revising that. you know, it's -- it is excusable that there is many things they don't know when analyzing radars and satellites and all that type of information. but this is one thing, they absolutely do know. so they should be able to put this out accurately and should have been able to do this many days ago. >> tom -- peter, let me bring peter in. you're an ntsb investigator. if this were an ntsb u.s. investigation, you would have released that transcript right away. >> well, it would actually have been the tower tapes would have been released by the faa, shortly after the accident, approved by the ntsb and put on the record. and the transcript would have come later. but the tower tapes themselves would have been public information, fairly quickly. and could have been listened to by everybody who wanted to have them. >> this underscores why these
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families are so, so upset right now, understandably. so 239 people were on that plane. we don't know the whereabouts of the people, but their family members, understandably, are so frustrated. all right, thanks, guys. don't go away. up next, we tell the story of what two of those passengers. a young couple on their honeymoon. and rising tensions on the korean peninsula now where both south and korea are holding their own live fire military exercises, and they're even shooting at each other. when it comes to good nutrition, my daughter's an expert. hi dad. she's a dietitian. and back when i wasn't eating right, she got me drinking boost. it's got a great taste, and it helps give me the nutrition i was missing. helping me stay more like me. [ female announcer ] boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. all with a delicious taste. grandpa!
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family members attended a buddhist temple, where they chanted and meditated together. there were 239 people on board, each with their own story. that includes one couple who were on their honeymoon. our sara sidner takes a closer look. >> reporter: this was supposed to be the happiest time of their lives. newlyweds were on their way to their honeymoon in beijing. she was particularly excited, because after safely up for a whole year, he was taking his very first trip abroad with the woman he adored. >> first going offsite of the country. >> reporter: the first they have been on a honey said, he said. the honeymooners never made it to their destination. their plane left from kuala lumpur to beijing. he was so excited to go, he was already on the plane, it was just a matter of reaching his
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destination. i just feel so helpless, he says. we really don't know, and we have never experienced these things before. he says he's been to every family briefing, listened to every detail, and felt every bit of heartbreak as the days change to weeks without any sign of the missing plane. when we met you, you were smiling and talking with us. how do you stay so positive during all of this turmoil? >> translator: it is difficult. we look happy on the outside. but we're dying inside. only god knows what's inside of me. >> reporter: he says one of the worst days for the family was this day. >> it is, therefore, with deep sadness and regret that i must inform you, that according to this new data, flight mh-370
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ended in the southern indian ocean. >> reporter: malaysian officials then informed the families, all lives were lost. but a few days later, the acting transportation minister talked of the remote but possible chance of finding survivors. >> i'm always hoping against hope, and i'm praying. and also any remote manner has always been to find survivors. >> reporter: who do you believe? >> translator: i prefer to believe mr. how dean, because he has vowed to it carry on searching. while the prime minister said the plane ended in the indian ocean. though he didn't say it had crashed or anything like that. leaving a lingering hope that this marriage did not end in tragedy. sara sidner, cnn, kuala lumpur.
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>> pretty shocking. one day the prime minister says one thing and the next few days later, the minister of transport says something very, very different. understandable why these families are so angry right now at malaysian authorities. we're going to have much more on the coverage of the mystery of flight 370. that's coming up. also, live fire military exercises in south korea prompting north korea now to launch its own drills, and both sides end up shooting at each other. this is a very dangerous situation. one miscalculation right now could trigge even worse. stand by. you think you take off all your make-up before bed. but do you really? [ female announcer ] neutrogena® makeup remover erases 99% of your most stubborn makeup with one towelette. can your makeup remover do that? [ female announcer ] neutrogena® makeup remover.
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back to the search for flight 370 in it a moment. first, tensions right now very high on the korean peninsula as both north and south korea engage in live fire military exercises. this is video of operation twin dragon, an annual naval drill involving the united states, australia and south korea. at the same time, north korea reportedly fired live shells into south korean waters. and that prompted south korea to fire right back. the white house condemned the north, saying, and i'm quoting now, "north korea's actions are dangerous and provocative. its continuous threats aggravate tensions and further its isolation. we remain steadfast in our commitment to the defense of our allies and remain in close coordination with both the republic of korea and japan." victor shaw is the author of the book "north korea past and future" joining me from the
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center for strategic and international studies. victor, thanks very much for coming in. so what's going on here? is this posturing by north korea or is there something bigger, more sinister going on? >> i think the first cut would be its posturing, trying to get attention. they want to try to push the u.s. back to talks. but the second cut is that if we look for the past month, north korea has been carrying out a series of short-range, long-range, anti ship, artillery shell, all sorts of different tests. and there seems to be a rising crescendo in the activity for the past month. i count about 90 missiles, short-range and long-range missile tests. and yesterday over 600 artillery shells. >> sometimes the north koreans do these kinds of things, just to get some attention, if you will. i remember when i was in pyongyang back this december, 2010, it was a very tense time, as well. it calmed down shortly thereafter, but it sometimes
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seems they want attention. is that your reading? >> yeah. i mean, it could be the case, wolf, they're looking for attention. we're focused on crimea and other sorts of issues. the other way to look at it, they could be learning from crimea that while the united states is distracted, the north koreans can try to change the playing field and maybe slant in their direction by pushing the u.s. back to talks while the united states is focused on other issues. >> what do you make of the fact that north korea actually notified south korea ahead of time it would begin its own drill near that so-called northern limit line? >> well, i mean, i think that's clearly a good thing. and the north koreans and south koreans are on a hair trigger. providing that notification is good. nevertheless, they are firing shells into south korean waters and by military engagement, they are obligated to fire back. the thing i would worry about, if the north follows up, and if they kill somebody, then we're in a pretty bad situation. the south will have to retaliate in a meaningful way.
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>> that's what happened back in 2010. north korea fired at a south korean war ship and actually hit and killed south korean sailors and then fired at a town in a disputed area along the border. the tensions were sky-high at this time. let's not forget, victor. you know this well. that they're, what, almost a million north korean troops north of the dmz, the demilitarized zone. nearly a million troops, 30,000 american soldiers along the dmz. one miscalculation and that place could explode. >> i think that's exactly right, wolf. you put your finger on it. these things may seem like small things, but they are on a hair trigger. and because of the array of forces on the peninsula, you can get an action-reaction dynamic that escalates fairly quickly. that's something we want to avoid, of course. >> is kim jong-un really in charge or some general really in charge? >> i mean, from all the pictures we see, it looks as though he is
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in charge. he may have some trouble sort of consolidating his power, but he appears to be in charge. it also seems to be the case that he's much of more willing to take risks than his father. again, these exercises coming in the middle of u.s. rok annual scheduled military exercises is a bit of a departure from the past in the sense that the north has complained before and maybe done something after the exercises. but they haven't done in large an array of military actions in the middle of these exercises. >> victor cha with the center for strategic and international studies, thanks very much. >> always a pleasure, wolf. in pakistan, the former president arrived in court in a police convoy to answer charges of treason. he was formally charged with subverting the country's constitution and imposing, quote, emergency rule. musharraf pled not guilty, saying the country prospered during his nine years in office. if found guilty, he could face the death penalty. the former israeli prime minister, olmert, was convicted
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welcome back from the cnn center in atlanta. new vems developments in the search for flight 370. the objects retrieved from the indian ocean yesterday turned out to be mostly fishing equipment and not any debris from the plane. 11 ships and 10 planes scoured the area today without finding anything connected to the plane. an australian ship carrying a ping detector also set sail to join the search. with us here right now is kit darby, retired airlines pilot, flew for 30 years, president of kit darby aviation consulting. thanks for coming in. . >> thank you, sir. >> what do you make of the revise final words from the cockpit to air traffic control in malaysia? it was originally "all right, good night." as all of us remember.
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and now in a press release they say the actual words were "good night malaysian 370." >> it's unremarkable. neither right by the book. to me a normal conversation. >> i think it would be normal to say "all right, good night." what's not normal, four weeks into this, is for malaysian authorities all of a sudden to revise the final words from the cockpit to the ground, and they refuse to release the transport. refuse to release the audiotape. >> and there was some unsubstantiated reports, an emergency radio frequency call, asking another airplane to contact this airplane. >> is there any explanation why they don't become transparent? why wouldn't they? >> it's a cross-language, cross-culture back and forth. i'm not sure it's an intentional
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mistake. i don't believe they would do that. >> if you're leaving malaysian air space, heading into seet ma meese air space, would you speak english. >> we normally speak in english all of the time. that's the rule. but when talking to your own country, they do use their native language. >> so where do you see this? we haven't spoken in a while. where do you see this investigation going right now? it's so frustrating, especially -- let's not forget, 239 people were on board that airliner. let's also not forget what -- this is a u.s.-made boeing 777. one of the most common planes out there, about 1,200 of them flying in the united states and around the world right now. and we have no idea if it was a mechanical problem or something sinister. >> pilots love this airplane. if you put all the airplanes in the parking lot and say pick one, i would pick this one to fly and put my family on. it's a tremendous airplane. so many assumptions go into where we are looking. and the pings, new technology, we have tried for the first time.
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quite honestly, i'm hopeful, but i'm pessimistic we may not even be in the right spot. >> based on -- the satellite information coming in suggesting that originally it was further in the southern part of the indian ocean. they moved it up six or seven hundred miles closer towards perth, australia. but you're not even sure that's the right spot? >> well, i like it better than the first one. my belief is this radar data from thailand is accurate. the airplane went down and went back up. used some gas. couldn't go as far. so i like the new spot a lot better. but there's so many assumptions that go into that. altitude, speed, winds, new technology. it's a daunting task. >> that radar information is very significant. there was malaysian radar that detected it crossing the peninsula. thai radar. indonesian radar we don't know about. vietnamese radar we don't know about. but the notion that it was flying at 35,000, went up to 45,000, went down to 12,000, back up to 30,000. that's based on the radar analysis, right?
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>> it is. and i think perhaps the read at 45,000 may be inaccurate. but the amount of altitude loss from 45 to 23 and the amount of altitude loss from the thais, 35 to 12, that's the same amount of altitude. and four raiders radars, two countries, the airplane descended in my view. >> what happens to the passengers -- a lot of passengers -- if the plane is going at -- let's say it went to 45 and down to 12, what happens to the passengers? >> i don't think you can get to 45. >> can a 777 reach 45,000? >> theoretically, but not loaded the way it was going to beijing, not going to make it. at 35 or 45, when you dive down to 23 or 12, emergency descend. not straight down but exciting. >> the oxygen masks come out? >> only if there is a did he pressurization. i don't believe there was. it made an autopilot turn. i can tell you a pilot with a decompression would have his mask on in seconds and the airplane started down in a few
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more seconds. two minutes not descending, probably not a decompression. could be descending for landing for any other purpose. you know. mechanical problem, intrusion in the cockpit, threat of any kind. but i don't see a decompression right now. from what little bit we have. and it is precious little. >> and hopefully we'll learn some more. kit darby, thanks for coming in. >> my pleasure. up next, the hunt for 370s black boxes and search teams -- they only have around five or six days to find it. inspired by the freshness of the season, our chefs have created a new spring seasonal menu at olive garden. dive into our pappardelle pescatore with the best of the bay. salmon bruschetta grilled to perfection, or fall in yum with our chicken primavera made from scratch by our chefs every day and always served with unlimited salad and breadsticks. the all new spring seasonal menu now for a limited time at olive garden, we're all family here. discover our entirely new pronto lunch menu starting at $6.99.
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working this story for us. brian, it's -- that ship that's bringing that ping locater out there, only going to get there thursday. that may be too late to pick up any of these pings. >> yeah, you really get the sense, wolf, this is just such a narrow window of time. but they still think it's worth it to send that vessel out there. as you mentioned, less than a week until the battery life on the pinger of the plane's black box likely runs out. that means a real sense of urgency now. u.s. navy commander, mark matthews, working with those teams, he talked about that urgency. >> typically, these last -- the batteries last for 30 days. usually they last a little bit longer and that's what we're trying to find. but what is critical is that the teams out there searching for the surface debris, they get good position data and feed it back to the oceangraphers to help us determine a possible point of impact for where the aircraft went in. >> now, if these teams can find
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one confirmable piece of wreckage from the plane, the field of this search can narrow considerab considerably. and a key piece of technology can help the teams zero in on the black box. that's what we have been talking about, the towed pinger locater, owned and operated by the u.s. navy, you see a picture there, aboard the australian vessel "ocean shield" head forts search area. it can be towed to depths of 20,000 feet below the ocean surface, detect the pinger from as far as 2 miles away. as wolf mentioned, not getting to the search area for a few days. wolf, that sense of urgency ramping up because of that. >> people getting around to the grim conclusion that battery for the pinger may die before anyone can get close to finding it. thanks very much, brian, for that. the one variable that could really hamper that ping leadership is the search area as brian just mentioned. a slow-moving ship, can't be effective until the search area is dramatically narrow. let's bring in tom foreman, in washington watching this. tom, the australian prime
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minister warned this weekend, we're still talking about a vast, vast part of the indian ocean that has to be covered by this search. give us a sense of just how big an area we're talking about. >> wolf, just look at all of the search areas we have been through so far. and think about all of this space involved here. because this has been a steady progression in space after space, the northern route, southern route. everything out there to lead down to these spaces that at various times have been called as big as new mexico. as big as alaska. as big as france. there have been all these descriptions of all these different spaces. and part of the issue, they keep changing. for example, this latest area being refined, once again, and changed to a new space. this is all about the first search. and by that, i mean. the above water search. until they clear that hurdle, the second search, the below water search is pretty much off the table. what have we found? satellite images, which have come up and none produced anything conclusive yet. they found some debris on the
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surface, which they have been able to determine has nothing to do with this plane. so they have to keep going out there with these high-tech planes to search the surface and the ships to scan the surface, because, unless they narrow that area, they can't really get started on the second search. the very thing that brian was talking about a minute ago, this idea of going below the water, as hard as it is to scan with any reliability, 80,000, 90,000 square miles in a day, like they're trying to do now with these teams, that is a vast area compared to how much they can do down here, where you're maybe one mile, two mile, three miles deep, going through all these areas, trying to pick something out. the simple truth is, wolf, at various times, this area has been millions of square miles. sometimes two, sometimes three. at one point, even 20 million square miles. until they have some evidence of something else, as a practical matter, it remains that big. because they may narrow it down
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to something they may want to look at, but with no evidence, there is no proof that's what they're after. they have lots of conjecture, almost no physical clues to go with. and until they get past that first search, they just can't even get down below the water, wolf. >> kit darby said they're not sure they're looking at the right area. how much of an area can be searched in a day? >> well, we've had numbers as high as 100,000 square miles, and some reports have been a little higher than that. but i will say this, wolf. when you talk about searching 100,000 square miles in a day, again, you have to talk about just the surface. because the air france search area was about 124,000 square miles, because they knew they had to be on top of the water. and even with that, it took them two years to find the debris below the water. so we're talking about the smallest search area we've had in this is as big as the largest search area in the air france crash. and that took two years. so it's very daunting, wolf.
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and every day gets worse. >> that's why they've got to find that pinger from the black boxes within the next few days. otherwise this could go on and on and on. tom foreman, thanks very much. up next, do you have questions about the hunt for flight 370? if you do, tweet them. use the #370qs. our panel of experts will provide some answers. later, we take you to ukraine where troops are preparing for a possible -- possible russian invasion. ifyou may be muddlingble withrough allergies.nger... try zyrtec® for powerful allergy relief. and zyrtec® is different than claritin. because it starts working faster on the first day you take it. zyrtec®. muddle no more™. before those little pieces would get in between my dentures and my gum and it was uncomfortable. [ male announcer ] just a few dabs is clinically proven to seal out more food particles. [ corrine ] super poligrip is part of my life now.
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25 days after the disappearance of flight 370, still very few hard facts. let's bring back our panel of experts to tackle some of the questions tweeted to us using the #370qs. mark weise and peter goelz and law enforcement analyst, tom fuentes. let's get to the questions. to peter first. could a submarine pick out ping through their s.o.n.a.r.? >> yes, a submarine could pick up the pings through its s.o.n.a.r. the u.s. submarines have very sensitive listening devices, and i think a number of us are hoping that perhaps on a classified basis a sub was in the area. because that might explain why the "ocean shield" is heading out to the area as it is today. >> may have some inside information. and the u.s. navy ever, ever talks about locations of u.s. sa
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marines. tom fuentes, don't we, the usa, have any high-altitude drones that can take hi-res photos of the indian ocean? >> i think it's true that we do. but the experts are saying that there is some difficulty in getting them out there that far out. and how they would be able to use them, especially with the clouds and the bad weather. and the other limitations compared to a regular aircraft. so we have them, but apparently they're not appropriate for that environment. >> here's another question for peter. four weeks. why has no aircraft carrier been sent to search zones so aircraft can take off and land to avoid flying 2,000 miles? what do you think about that, peter? >> well, i think the -- that part of the world is a sensitive part, as we saw today, with stuff beginning on the korean peninsula. the aircraft carriers that we have are on station. they have national security duties. that's where they're going to stay
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mark this is for you from tabitha and you are a 777 pilot. how do we know the water hit the water hard enough to break into pieces since no debris was found. could it have smooth landed and just sunk? >> tabitha, this is not the same type of a situation you had where on the hudson river. remember this was at night and in an ocean that as we have seen described over the last few weeks has very choppy waters. when you hit the water even if you were to try to have control, every manual i have read, that character will come apart. basically you are hitting concrete from an airplane. >> good answer. let's go to peter for this one. antonio tweets, if the plane is on the bottom of the indian
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ocean, what machinery will be used to retrieve the debris on the ocean floor? >> the vessels will bring out vessels with special equipment that can drop down slings and other types of high tech equipment that would lift critical wreckage off the floor of the ocean. it's very delicate and very hard. >> stacy tweets this. i feel malaysian government knows something critical. don't other governments have a right to intervene? >> technically no, they do not have a right to intervene. they have a right to request and be part of the international working group that has been convened by the malaysians, but no right for anyone to interfere at this point. >> good answers and good questions. we will do this again tomorrow. much more coverage of the mystery of flight 370 coming up. on the border, troops are
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. >> we will get back to the search for flight 370 in a moment, but the latest from ukraine where troop are preparing for a possible battle with russian forces. russia said they are pulling back forces, but moments ago the defense secretary and the white house press secretary said they haven't seen it happen yet. >> i heard reports of possible drawdowns of russian military forces from the border. we haven't that yet, but if they turn out to be accurate, that would be a good thing. >> karl is joining us now from the border between ukraine and russia. what is the latest and what does it feel and look like, karl?
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>> right now it is very cold, but it is very tense as well. we spent most of the day with an armored unit of ukrainian army. the russian boarder is that way, only about five miles away. in the course of the day, despite the news we heard that maybe russia is moving some of the troops back, the ukrainian government thinks they are repositioning and bringing more to the northeast border here. what the ukrainian military has been doing is bringing vehicles like this into the area with a back hoe digging out an area and digging in these vehicles. this is an armored vehicle. it's got a cannon on the front. across there in the same armored unit, there is a t 64 soviet era tank part of the ukrainian army. there is anti-aircraft positioned as well. the army is very much taken
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seriously the prospect of possibility of a tank battle with the russians if they roll across into this area. >> if russia were to do that, would the ukrainian military stand a chance? it would be a lopsided russian advantage over ukraine. >> you have to ask yourself that question, haven't you. we saw the situation down there in crime why. where the military practically folded. they gave up without a fight and since then we heard up to 75% of the ukrainian forces there actually defected to the russians. here in this area on the north eastern border, things would be different. yes, the ukrainians know this will be an uneven fight. remember for many years from soviet times up to more recent time, the ukrainian and russian militaries train side by side
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and they still consider one another brothers in arms and they are staring one another down the barrel of a gun. they know it's going to be an uneven fight, but they say they are ready to stand. in a lot of the villages along this border, young men have divide themselves up into self defense committees and say they will start a guerilla-style war and there a lot of swamps and forests and that's where they will stand and fight. they look to the legacy of the grandfathers in the second world war when they divided into what were partisan units and fought the germans to push them out of this part of the world. combining the ukrainian military with the civilian, they can fight a much mightier russian force and right down to old ladies, everybody wants to do their bit as a wartime spirit. we have seen old ladies with big
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jars of pickled tomatoes and rice and cooking oil and pasta, donating this to the ukrainian troops and giving them a sense that they are not alone. they have the support of the population in this area. >> a very tense situation on the border between ukraine and russia. we will check back with you later. thank you. other top stories we are following in brief, but fleeting reminders of the messy healthcare.gov roll out. it crashed at least twice today ahead of the deadline despite the hiccups. more than 6 million people signed up as of late last night. we will see what the final number is in the coming days. general motors and safety regulators missed several chances to fix a problem blamed for 13 deadly car crashes. they are found at the auto maker and officials were aware of faulty ignition switches as far back as 2007, but they didn't
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recall two million vehicles until this year because of cost. the new ceo is set to testify before congress tomorrow. that's it for me. thanks for watching. i will be back at 5:00 eastern for a two-hour edition of the situation room. newsroom begins right now with brooke baldwin. >> good to see you. happy monday to you and the search conditions for flight 370. what did malaysia know and when did they know it? for weeks and weeks we have been led to believe that the final few words all rig"all right. g night night.". instead good night malaysian 370
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