i remember the y river talks. but george tenant said he would resign. >> and we got the deal without pollard. >> coming up, i'll be back 5:00 p.m. eastern, a special two-hour edition of "the situation room." "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. thank you, wolf blitzer. great to be with you here on this tuesday. i'm brooke baldwin. this is cnn's special live coverage of two major stories unfolding right now. first, as wolf has been reporting here, time is running out on the search for flight 370. sources in the malaysian government are now calling that dramatic left turn -- their words, a criminal act. we will tell you why. also, any moment now, on capitol hill, these are live pictures inside this house subcommittee room. families who believe their loved ones were killed because general motors took years to announce a recall, are about to hear from the company's ceo. and that is where we begin this hour here in washington, in this room here on the hill. the head of gm is about to give

a public apology for a recall that one massachusetts lawmaker calls, and i'm quoting here, a decade late and dozens of lives and injuries short. 13 deaths, 12 in the u.s., one in canada linked to this problem that affects some 2.6 million gm cars. certain year chevy cobalts, pontiac g5s, saturn ions are at risk of shutdown because of this faulty ignition switch that can just totally turn the car off. mary barra, the ceo just took the top yob about two months ago. and this could be, in a matter of minutes here, the biggest challenge of her career. so let's go straight to capitol hill to cnn's poppy harlow, standing by just outside those doors. and so, the big question among many, why did gm, poppy, issue this recall now when the company knew about the problem back in 2004? >> that is the huge question. why did they not tell anyone about it, why did regulators not

catch it. i don't know that we're going to get an answer to this today in this hearing. because we read the prepared testimony from mary barra. she has said we don't know why this failed to reach the public, we don't know why, but we will find out why. we will be transparent when that happens. you know, the key question here, is did gm knowingly cover this up from 2004 when someone at the company knew about this until ten years later when they made it public. or was it a horrible error of stuff lost in translation. horrible communications. another question here is did cost have anything to do with this? because the house has internal documents from general motors talking about them considering a fix for this ignition switch problem, and then citing things such as cost and business case, as reasons they did not move forward with a recall. so many questions are going to be thrown at her from lawmakers. the victims' families believe

their loved ones died as a result of this ignition switch failure. a big press conference a few hours ago. i spoke with one mother who lost her 19-year-old daughter sarah. go ahead, we're seeing i believe mary barra walk in to take this testimony. she met with the ceo last night. it was not enough. they want to see all 2.6 million of these cars off the road. they want answers. lawmakers want answers. the biggest test for this ceo. a woman who just took the top job at general motors, three months or so ago, brooke. this is the first of two days of hearings. she'll face the senate tomorrow. many questions. what did gm know, why didn't we the public know? and where were regulators on this? we're going to go in the room and listen in. >> everyone being seated again. the subcommittee on oversight will be watching. we'll take it live. poppy, thank you. also we're watching this.

we can finally tell you, word for word as we've been reporting what was said between the cockpit crew and air traffic control the night that malaysian jetliner just vanished with 239 people onboard. it has taken now 25 long days, but cnn has just obtained the official flight transcript, and as far as aviation experts and officials are concerned here, what was spoken, what was communicated here is really nothing out of the ordinary. but the question now is why did it take so long? why did the malaysian government initially provide this incorrect version to the final signoff from the cockpit? we're also learning that malaysian investigators are convinced that someone in the cockpit, or perhaps someone else onboard this plane was responsible for that sudden and mysterious left turn off course. a government source telling cnn authorities consider this turn, and i'm quoting, a criminal act, and this new "wall street

journal" report says this. that search teams were looking in the wrong place, for not one, not two, but three days. because of poor coordination. one group analyzing radar data. the other analyzing satellite images. both coming up with different possible crash sites. all of that and here today, 20 planes and shifts have been scouring what they hope is the right place in the southern indian ocean. >> this could drag on for a long time. but i think at this stage, it's very important to pursue the leads. the evidence that is being presented to us. >> back to that transcript here. no indication of anything abnormal from the verbiage there. that is the ruling today from the malaysian transport minister. but the change in wording weeks into the search for this missing plane raises all kinds of questions about how malaysian officials have handled this whole thing. joining me now, the retired

airline pilot and aviation specialist. and sean pernicky here. accident investigator for flight 5191. gentlemen, welcome to you. let's begin with this transcript that we have finally obtained. you've looked at it. officials say nothing sinister. do you agree? >> hi, brooke. i agree entirely. it's the transcript of a very normal flight up until the time of the last transmission. there has been some discussion about some nonstandard verbiage by whoever was speaking. >> no big deal? >> no big deal. flying in that part of the country, it's the rare individual that says everything the way it's supposed to be said. and flying here in the u.s., the same thing happens. you try to shoot for a standard, but the right things to say on the radio. it's very unusual to find a person that does that exactly right. >> do you agree?

anything jump out at you when you read it? >> no, not at all, brooke. i read it four or five times. really thinking about what they were saying, and the environment. i agree, a completely normal and exactly right about the verbiage. that we see in this transcript is exactly the way that business is carried out, absolutely. >> so this is the written transcript. something else we've all discussed ad nauseam which may never be released is the actual audio. that the communication between pilot and co-pilot, between air traffic control. but why might that hold the key? what else do you hear on that? >> the audio that is in the cockpit voice recorder? >> well, you can tell a whole bunch of what went on from that. because it's so sensitive, it contains so many things that probably the families wouldn't want to have come out. generally, just people close to the investigation are going to

be the ones that actually hear that. there will be a transcript release. >> there's no way the audio is going to reach the public domain. >> it's only through this cockpit voice recorder, which is the other box, which the tpl would ultimately listen for the ping. is that correct? there's no other way an investigator can tap into any kind of audio in the cockpit, correct? >> that's exactly right. that data is only captured on that flight recorder, that's right. >> staying with you, one of our senior international correspondents has been reporting here from malaysian investigators that they believe that this plane was flown by someone. this is their quote. flown by someone with good flying knowledge of the aircraft. and the government sources told him specifically that that left turn, they're treating the turn as a criminal act. either by one of the pilots or someone else onboard. obviously, they know a lot about this investigation, they being the investigators, that we don't know. so what could lead them to calling this turn now a criminal

act? >> i found it actually astounding when i heard that breaking news earlier. with the information that we have now, brooke, with what we're going on, there's absolutely no indication whatsoever to support that type of a declaration. so you're exactly right. that begs the question, what is it that they know that they haven't shared with us? i found it quite astounding. i was quite surprised. >> what would it be -- forgive me if i seem obtuse. but what would it be if they have this verbal transcript. how would that -- what would they know that we don't to come to that conclusion? >> well, you're exactly right. the only way they would know that is if there was some type of communication made, either via radar, via transponder, or via voice that they haven't shared with us. so for example, another voice communication that we don't know about or a transponder code being changed to a special code

that we use for like a hijacking procedure. outside of those, there is no way for them to know. so i find it quite intriguing and really surprised they would release such a statement without providing a little bit of something to substantiate. >> right, a little bit more context. let's hope they know a lot more than us. gentlemen, stick around, because we're bringing you back more viewer questions here in just a couple of minutes. meantime, the man in charge of the search here says it is by far the biggest challenge he has ever faced. hear how long he says it could take to actually solve this mystery. we'll take you live to perfect. plus, cnn goes to the waters of the indian ocean to follow the ship carrying the american black box finder listening for those pings here. as we show you live pictures here inside this room on capitol hill, the ceo of general motors will be apologizing to the families who believe their loved ones were killed because of the actions of her company. stay right here. you're watching cnn's special

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most health plans. welcome back. i'm brooke baldwin. despite all the high-tech equipment heading to the search zone in the southern indian ocean, the man heading up that search says the hunt for the airliner will not be quick and easy. he is angus houston. he said the search, in his words, could drag on. that it will take a very long

time. obviously discouraging news here for families, but perhaps not surprising. kyun joins us now. 2:15 in the morning where you are. another day. how is the confidence level just among search crews? >> reporter: they're as confident as they can be. now we're hearing very bluntly, that this is merely an estimate. this is based on math, on science, on those satellite images. none of it is exact. and we heard it from the man hitting up this operation. here's what he said. >> we are working from a very uncertain starting point. just wanted to reinforce that, because it will take time. it's not something that's necessarily going to be resolved in the next two weeks, for

example. >> reporter: and two weeks may be slightly optimistic. it is a very large space that these crews are looking at, which is the indian ocean. >> we know air france, that was, what, two years? have we heard anything from angus houston or anyone else heading up this search as far as months? are they even going there with years? >> well, there was a headline in the local newspaper here that says perth expects to be the command post for years. that's years, plural. and remember, air france, they knew generally where it was just within four days. they have no idea where this is, other than somewhere in the southern indian ocean. >> thank you. coming up, after crash of twa 800, investigators literally pieced together parts of that plane as much as they could from

the wreckage. here are the pictures. we'll talk live with someone who actually helped with that investigation about what happens once debris is found, whenever that might be. plus, take a look at how rough these waters are, where crews are searching. cnn rides the waves here in the indian ocean.

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terrorist bomb downed it over scotland. and then you have twa's flight 800 doomed by a fuel tank explosion. also was cobbled together at this hangar here in new york. so, if flight 370 does turn up, might we see another kind of reconstruction? for that, let's go to bill savage, former pilot and certified crash investigator. i know that you participated in several of these kinds of investigation, piecing planes back together. what's the value of doing that? >> the value is 100%, because by putting airplane back together, we can then look at the specific areas that each investigator has an expertise in to decide whether that area had some effect on the crash of the airplane, either a maintenance problem or an impact problem, a fire problem, or some system malfunction. we can go -- you know, we can backtrack that to make sure that it was either operating properly

or that it was the cause or in some way contributed to the failure of the aircraft. >> so as far as this current flight we're talking about, 370 goes, what part of the plane -- don't say the black box, because i know that's the obvious answer. but beyond the black box, what would you like to see the most? where do you think the best clues could be hidden? >> if you're asking me how much of that airplane i want, it would be 100% of the airplane. just like they got in 103 and in 800, they put the airplane back together again. and then started eliminating the possibilities by seeing exactly what they had. >> what about pieces of the cockpit? >> cockpit would be the start point, sure. >> what would you be looking for? >> well, if it's in the water, it would be hard to discover any kind of bloodstains if there had been a struggle. which would indicate an

interdiction in the cockpit, and a hijacking, of course, would be the answer. any kind of damaged equipment. blunt trauma, either the crash axe or some other tool or weapon was used and damaged part of the console or the equipment or preferably the bodies of the pilots, you would be able to see that. so that's where you would begin to see if there's damage in the cockpit and if some struggle ensued. >> i know as i mentioned, you worked on twa flight 800. i'm curious if you were there when the families had the ability, or invited to see some of this. i know some of them were actually able to see the seats themselves that their loved ones sat on. were you there for that, and did the families tell you why they wanted to see that? >> i was not there for that at all. the people that i was consulting for, the special agents involved

in that particular exercise of the families did explain and demonstrate to the families the impacts and the damage that she was done to the bodies when that airplane came apart. but that was not an area that i was involved in and was not present for it. >> okay. i won't ask you anything further on that. malaysian air has offered these families to be able to go to perth. a lot of the families keep wanting to see proof. and you can't blame them. bill savage, thank you very much. coming up, did wryou know this? we actually know more about the geography of mars than we do about the ocean in this search area. so we'll show you some stunning images and just prove exactly that. plus, any moment now as we're watching these live pictures on capitol hill, this house subcommittee hearing, the ceo of general motors is in the room. she will be testifying. we know she will be apologizing to those families, who believe their loved ones were killed

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we told the world we had a problem that needed to be fixed. we did so because whatever mistakes were made in the past, we will not shirk from our responsibilities now or in the future. today's gm will do the right thing. that begins with my sincere apologies to everyone who has been affected by this recall. especially the families and friends who lost their lives or were injured. i am deeply sorry. i've asked fothe former u.s. attorney to conduct a thorough and unimpeded investigation of

the actions of general motors. i have received updates from him and he tells me he's well along with his work. he has free rein to go where the facts take him, regardless of outcome. the facts will be the facts. once they are in, my leadership team and i will do what is needed to help assure this does not happen again. we will hold ourselves fully accountable. however, i want to stress, i'm not waiting for his results to make changes. i've named a new vice president of global vehicle safety, a first for general motors. jeff boyer's top priority is to quickly identify and resolve any and all product safety issues. he is not taking on this task alone. i stand with him and my senior leadership team stands with him as well. and we will welcome input from outside of gm, from you, from our customers, our dealers, and current and former employees.

the latest round of recalls demonstrates just how serious we are about the way we want to do things at today's gm. we've identified these issues, and we've brought them forward and we're fixing them. i have asked our team to keep stressing the system at gm and work with one thing in mind, the customer and their safety are at the center of everything we do. our customers who have been affected by this recall are getting our full and undivided attention. we are talking directly to them through a dedicated website with constantly updated information and through social media platforms. we've trained and assigned more people, over a hundred, to our customer call centers, and wait times are down to seconds. and, of course, we're sending customers written information through the mail. we've empowered our dealers to take extraordinary measures to treat each case specifically. if people do not want to drive a recalled vehicle before it is

repaired, dealers can provide them with a loaner or a rental car free of charge. if a customer is already looking for another car, dealers are allowed to provide additional cash allowances for the purchase of a lease or new vehicle. our supplier is manufacturing new replacement parts for the vehicles that are no longer in production. we have commissioned two lines and have asked for a third production line. those parts will start being delivered to dealers next week. these measures are only the first in making things right and rebuilding trust with our customers. as i reminded their employees, getting the cars repaired was only the first step. giving customers the best support possible throughout this process is how we will be judged. i would like this committee to know that all of our gm employees and i are determined to set a new standard.

i am encouraged to say that everyone at gm, up to and including our board of directors supports this. i'm a second generation gm employee. and i'm here as our ceo, but i'm also here representing the men and women who are part of today's gm and are dedicated to putting the highest quality safest vehicles on the road. i recently held a town hall meeting to formally introduce our new vp of safety. we met at our technical center in michigan. this is one of the place where is the men and women who engineer our vehicles work. they are the brains behind our cars, but they are also the heart of general motors. it was a tough meeting. like me, they have disappointed and upset. i could see it in their faces. i could hear it in their voices. they had many of the same questions that i suspect are on your mind. they want to make things better for our customers, and in that

process make gm better. they particularly wanted to know what we plan to do for those who have suffered the most from this tragedy. that's why i'm pleased to announce that we have retained kenneth feinberg to help us recommend the best path forward. i am sure this committee knows mr. feinberg is very qualified and highly experienced in handling matters such as this. having helped with 9/11, the bp oil spill and the boston marathon bombing. mr. feinberg brings expertise and objectivity to this effort. as i have said, i consider this to be an extraordinary event, and we are responding to it in an extraordinary way. as i see it, gm has civil responsibilities, and legal responsibilities. we are thinking through exactly what those responsibilities are, and how do balance them in an appropriate manner.

bringing on mr. feinberg is the first step. i would now be happy to answer your questions. thank you. >> thank you, ms. barra. i also want to acknowledge all the families are here today. kelly of scranton, pennsylvania, is one of those that we offer sympathies to their families. we have all of you in our hearts. >> all right, let's run this out in conversation. you just heard mary barra, the ceo of general motors. her mea culpa there in front of this house subcommittee. but really to the american public and specifically to some of these families here in recent years. gm has released the figures 13, 13 deaths because of this faulty ignition switch that ultimately just totally shuts off the car. we can't tell you whether specifically the families in that room are even in washington today are among those 13. but still, a lot of frustration from families who say apologies

are not enough. in listening to mary barra today, we knew she would apologize. the news that i just heard is the fact that they're naming kenneth feinberg as the mediator, the compensation attorney because we know him from 9/11 and the boston bombings and the bp oil spill. but back to mary barra. this is 2014. she's saying she's sorry. this dates back to 2004. she may not have been in charge, but this is her company. and they messed up. >> that's absolutely right. i think that that's what you're hearing her say. she said, this is my problem now. it may not have started as her problem. and frankly, most analysts think she had nothing to do with it. she's the one who said we're not going to build any more crappy cars. she's an engineer. she's known by people as being a very thorough and responsible person. that said, the buck still stops here. so you can sort of split this story into two parts, or three parts. there's mary barra, and this is a management challenge for her.

i think she's being very transparent. she's really acting in a way that exemplifies this new gm, that she would like us to think is the company today. and we'll see if it is when the facts come out. as she said, the facts will be the facts. but she's also dealing with these legacy problems and it's going to take more investigation to know who knew what when and how far up the food chain in the company this went. who knew what. did they ignore it. did they purposefully cover it up. that's the crux of this. >> that's right. there are many things that can happen. could have had a culture of secrecy. there were many layers of management in the old detroit. that was part of the problem. there could have been an unwillingness to take bad news up the food chain and take responsible for it. this could have been a matter of engineers working on one particular part, not communicating well with others. we just don't know yet the extent to which the problem goes, how nefarious it is, how deep it is. >> right. and as i mentioned a moment ago, really the new nugget that wasn't even necessarily in the prereleased transscript, her

naming kenneth feinberg. did that surprise you? >> it didn't surprise me. i think she is pulling out all the stops. taking it very seriously. everything from that appointment to the fact that she can doing more and more recalls. by the way, i think that's a good thing in the sense that history shows if you are beginning to do a recall, you want to do it all at once. you don't want to do it in drips and drabs. that's when you start to lose market trust. >> thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up here, back to this missing plane. from his flight simulator to his political background, the pilot onboard mh-370 has been scrutinized. and now, his daughter is lashing out. she has some harsh words for some, questioning her father's motives. we'll share what she has written coming up. plus, can you believe we know more about mars? the geography of mars than the

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welcome back. the ocean shield son its way to the search area. the journey just to get there

can be pretty tough because of rough seas. will ripley is shadowing the ship. he gives us a sense of what it's like to be out in the middle of the indian ocean. >> we have moved about 12 miles offshore here in the indian ocean to give you a sense of what the weather conditions can be like. and believe it or not, this is considered a clear day. we have swells. we have waves. you have to hold on to something on the boat just to stay standing. captain ray ruby -- i can't believe that this is a clear day. >> yeah, well you saw it was like glass. this is just a normal day. i feel sorry for the guys on the shield heading out to the wreck zone, because we're at idle running at about five knots. these guys are punching to 15 knots. every wave, straight over the top. >> even for a large ship like the ocean shield. >> it will just be over the top at three times the speed we're doing. >> so how large are these waves?

>> eight and a half. they're not bad. when the guys get out further, they'll be up to five, six feet away, plus swells. >> so literally waves that are the size of many buildings here. you certainly have to hold on. you deal with the windy conditions as well. just imagine if there were a storm moving in and all of a sudden your visibility drops down to zero. you could have a ship very close to you that you can't even see in just a matter of seconds. it's really incredible the conditions out here, the conditions that the ocean shield is facing right now as they move towards the search zone. will ripley, cnn, off the coast of western australia. >> okay, will ripley, thank you. that's one side of the story. the rough seas that these crews have to deal with. but then you have what lies beneath. and chad myers, i'm going to bring you in for this discussion. we've said this before, but now we have illustrations to prove it. we know more about the surface of the moon. of mars than we know about the

bottom of this ocean. >> because telescopes don't work under water. you can take a telescope and point it at the moon. we can take two and see how deep the craters are. but you can't do that because you can't see through the water that deep. so you have pingers. if you ever been on a fishing boat, you said yes. not catching any fish. but all of a sudden the pinger goes bing, bing, bing. or it sees the bottom, whatever. we're looking for the bottom. we don't care about the fish here. it's the width of the cone and how slow you have to go. and how big the ocean is. let me just give you an idea. let's just say that this thing -- and there are different width beams, i get it. this one here at its depth is going to be one mile. if the shore, or the bottom of the ocean is here, then it wouldn't be one mile. if the bottom of the ocean was 12,000 feet farther, the cone could get wider and wider and wider. but the ship can really only go about five miles per hour or so to get a really decent ping if you're trying to map the bottom of the ocean. try to go faster, but here's

what happens. when you ping and then you wait for it to come back, if you're going too fast, the ship is here and ping won't get to the translouiser on the bottom of the boat. so five miles per hour. one mile width. that's five square miles per hour of the ocean. there's 130 million square miles of the ocean bottom. i did the math. i divided it all up. if you never stopped for fuel and you never stopped for new sailors, it would take you 2,955 years to map the ocean with one ship. >> wait, that's all of the earth's oceans, or that is specifically the area where they're searching. >> the area where they're searching. i mean, the whole entire 70% covered in ocean water would take this long. clearly, it wouldn't take that long to do the southern indian ocean. but here's the deal. we would love to have a pattern here in the past that looks something like what a lawn mower would do. back and forth, back and forth,

every couple miles. we don't have that. what we really have are these lines where a ship went that way. and then a ship went that way. but there's an awful lot of blue in between all of those spots. and that's the 95% that we don't have mapped across the indian ocean. do the same thing for the u.s., it's a lot better because of noaknow -- noaa. on the way back and forth through hawaii, down here, off the coast of mexico pretty good, it's because of the remoteness of that ocean that we simply don't know what it looks like. here's what a serial graphic picture looks like of the moon. two pictures side by side. we know how deep this crater is. we even know the size of it back and forth. we also know there's a crater inside the crater. probably the meteor hit it. so yes, there's a lot more -- a lot easier to map something with a telescope than with a sonar. >> that is an incredible parallel. chad myers, thank you, sir.

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airline pilot and aviation safety specialist with safety operating systems. and sean pernicky, accident investigator for flight 5191. so, gentlemen, sean, i'm giving you the first one. this is a question for michael. has anyone flown the route back over malaysia to see if there is any ground wreckage, maybe other data is incorrect? we don't know the answer. but do you think that they should do that? fly back over the route, retrace? >> yeah, it's actually a pretty straight forward question. that would be someplace that you would go back to your last known points, points in time and place. >> what would they see? >> basically what you're looking for is obviously the wreckage, but in areas for example on land where it's heavy forestation or

jungle, maybe you'd see a large destruction path of a path with a lot of trees down. but that could indicate that there's wreckage in that area. so those would be what you're looking for from an airborne perspective. >> okay. captain john ransom, sir, you get the next one. this is from betsy. she asks, why do they say "good night" anyway? why is communication over at that moment? what's your answer? >> well, each time they say good night, they're actually changing controllers. they're talking to different people. >> so it's not goodbye. >> no. it's we'll see you next time. for example, when they left and went to lumpar to radar, those were two different people. when radar changed them over to ho chih min, that was the last time the guy was going to talk to him for the evening. >> see you, kind of thing. shawn, matt wants to know. we talked butt crowd sourcing. crowd sourcing of raw data to

experts may prove useful. do you think this can be a possibility? do you think it could be? >> well, it's rather hard to say. the problem is we just have so few data points, right? and more and more interpretations of limited data just yields more and more speculation that's not really on solid ground. >> okay. one more for you, captain. this is from john. does the malaysian flight 370 have the ability to jettison, or to dump fuel while in flight? if so, do you think it could throw off anticipated flight and speed versus fuel distance, and the plane may be nowhere near the current search? >> well, certification san datas are such, that if the max certificated landing weight, for some exceptions you do have to have a fuel jettison system. usually it's very good at

getting rid of a lot of fuel quickism anywhere from 5,000 to six, 7,000 pound a minute. it doesn't make the airplane lighter. it will change the distance it will fly and also change the altitude to which it can climb. >> if someone had sinister intentions, is this something someone would do to throw something off course? or no? >> you wouldn't throw it off course, you'd just change the weight of the airplane, make it able to climb higher than you might be able to do otherwise. but it also will severely limit the amount of miles you can travel with the fuel as well. >> right, the distance. john ransom, shawn perniruchnic. coming up, more than 70 years ago, world war ii battleship sank in the very same waters crews are now searching for this missing plane. hear how one man found it after decades under water. plus, in the cockpit. could the last words be from someone other than the pilot or

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missing flight. according to the daily mail article, a family friend quotes her, saying her father wasn't the father i knew. he seemed disturbed and lost in a world of his own. the captain is among many being scrutinized during the investigation into the plane's disappearance. investigators searched his home and pored through data on his flight simulator. but no evidence of wrong doing has been found. his heartbroken daughter is incensed and says the article is flat-out false. on her facebook page, she posted an open letter to the daily mail saying, "you should consider making movies since you are so good at making up stories and scripts out of thin air. may god have mercy on your souls. you can bet your [ bleep ] i will not forgive you." we have reached out to the daily mail and are awaiting comment. as his family aches from his absence, they have shied away from media attention and they say all the attention and suspension surrounding their

father is "torturing them." and here we are, top of the hour. thank you so much for being with me. i'm brooke baldwin. day 26 in the mystery of flight 370. and finally, some transparency from malaysia. we have learned that officials are planning to meet with families to explain the technical side of the investigation into this missing plane and answer questions about what led them to believe that this plane crashed into this very specific spot down in the southern indian ocean. this as they also released the transcript of what was said between the cockpit crew and air traffic control the night this jetliner vanished with 239 people onboard. as far as aviation experts and officials are concerned, what was spoken here is nothing out of the ordinary, but mystery still surrounds that left turn, that veer off course. a source telling cnn today that

malaysian officials believe the plane's rerouting to the west was a deliberate, and to quote them, "criminal act." as for the search itself, 20 planes and ships have been scouring what we hope is the right place in the southern indian ocean. >> this could drag on for a long time. but i think at this stage, it's very important to pursue the leads, i'll call them leads, the evidence that is being presented to us. >> the slow case of the search, though, it's frustrating for those families. the people in charge of it are warning all of us that it will take a long, long time. let's go straight to perth to our correspondent, 3:00 in the morning where she is there. more on this search. here we have another day. no confirmed plane debris. no satellite images. what are searchers telling you? how confident are they in this strategy? >> they're reasonably confident

that they're looking in the right area. and that the emphasis all along has been reasonably competent. remember, all of this is based on estimates, and you may remember late last week the search area which was further southwest, was moved northeast about 700 miles. so it's constantly evolving. constantly changing. but there are a large number of governments here. the resources are continuing to go up. and the prime minister of australia has said he will not let up on this is. he intends to throw as much at it as possible until they can try to bring some of these families the answer. certainly, this is based on satellite imagery. math, a lot of technology, but so far, no debris from this missing plane. >> and just to remind everyone, we know this ocean shield, this vessel heading out there has this toad pinger locater 25. that's what we'll be listening for. but remind all of us how many days we have before the juice in

that black box, the battery juice is gone. >> reporter: just like estimates on the search, estimates on the battery life as well. it will take now about two to three days before the ocean shield reaches the search area. but you've got to find the debris before you can even use what's being described as the u.s. navy -- a large hearing aid in order to hear those pings from the black box. so no debris, no usage of this device. and then, there is a window. the battery is guaranteed approximately 30 days. that's approximate. it could last another 15 days beyond that, perhaps even longer. but again, these are all estimates. so there is a ticking clock here, brooke. everyone hears it. the search crews are well aware of it. and they are trying to find it. >> in the middle of the night where you are in perth, australia. many thanks to you. and again, nothing unusual. that is the ruling from malaysia

on this cockpit transcript from flight 370. but the change in the wording, more than three weeks into this search for the missing plane raises questions about how they've handled the investigation itself. let's bring in the captain, great to see you back in here. we learned the change in a few words from the "all right, good night" to what they actually really said, and now we have this two, two and a half-page transcript. nothing sinister as far as airline officials. >> normal business. a flight late at night. perhaps a few shortcuts in the communication, which would be typical when it's quiet. i don't see a thing that stands out. what's remarkable is there's nothing that stands out. we went from a perfectly normal flight one moment to a left-hand turn, perhaps a decent and six hours in the wrong direction. so it's very confusing. >> it's one thing to read a

transcript, right? it's quite another to actually hear the audio. two ways, correct me, two ways to hear audio. one is perhaps buried somewhere deep in the southern indian ocean within that cockpit voice recorder. two would be the air traffic control audio between the cockpit and atc, which the atc would have, correct? >> they would. in this case, there's two audio. one from malaysia and the handoff to vietnam. they would have audio with nothing on the main frequency. there are reports that another aircraft was asked to contact this plane. and they would establish contact, but got no useful information after simply establishing the contact. the guy that made the call said he was sure he was talking to the co-pilot, which makes sense, he was handling the radios. so we can't verify that yet, but there should be recordings on both ends of this, both malaysia and vietnam should have recordings. >> we don't have the recordings, but you have to believe they have the recordings. you can hear a lot more than the conversations, right? you can pick up all that other stuff. >> background noise, inflection, urgency. many of those things are easily

discernible on the tape. regrettab regrettably, they're not sharing that information. >> the left-hand turn. we know that nic robertson, he has sources within malaysia and they're calling this veer off course a criminal act. i go back and i'm constantly saying, listen, they know so much more than we do. but what possibly would they know to make that leap now? when i heard criminal, that was new. >> i can't go there. >> you're shaking your head. >> could be. someone outside the cockpit or someone inside the cockpit can be making a criminal act. or the pilot could be wrestling with a problem returning to safe harbor, and i believe descending to protect himself, his plane and his people. we don't know whether we have a hero or the villain. we don't know. we have to admit we don't have the facts to make this claim yet. possibly criminal, but to say for sure, i couldn't say that. >> i don't know when they're going to find any piece of this plane. let's say ultimately they find

pieces. will they still be able to find out roughly what happened? >> it's going to be tough. even the voice recording is good for two hours. >> that's right. it records over itself. >> it does. so now we don't have the event itself. we have what the airplane did, but we don't have the voices. unless they're talking toward the end of this flight, we may never know what actually happened in the cockpit. >> captain, thank you very much. and now this. coming up. if the plane, as we are sadly remarking on, if the plane is never found, what changes could be made to the way we fly? really whether it is or not. plus, a battleship sinks in the same waters where they're looking for flight 370 decades later. it is found at the bottom of the ocean. hear and see how. and moments ago in washington, d.c., there she is in the middle of your screen, the ceo of general motors, this is mary barra here, apologizing to families who believe their loved ones were killed because gm went years without issuing a recall.

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. right now the head of general motors is answering questions. 13 deaths are linked to a problem that affects some 2.6 million gm cars. certain year chevy cobalts, saturn ions and more are at risk of shut down because of this faulty ignition switch that can suddenly turn the whole car off. mary barra just became gm's

chief executive in january and facing what could be the biggest challenge of her career thus far. she said this. >> as soon as i learned about the problem, we acted without hesitation. we told the world we had a problem that needed to be fixed. we did so because whatever mistakes were made in the past, we will not shirk from our responsibilities now or in the future. today's gm will do the right thing. that begins with my sincere apologies to everyone who has been affected by this recall. especially the families and friends who lost their lives or were injured. i am deeply sorry. >> as we were watching her earlier testifying at the top of the last hour, she made this unexpected move announcing that kenneth feinberg, an attorney who represented victims in 9/11 and the boston bombings and the bp oil spill will lead the

victims' compensation efforts for gm. joining me now, sunny hostin. allison, first to you. i know gm stock has actually rebounded in the last couple of days. investors wanted barra to take the issue head-on on capitol hill and she really did precisely that. so how was the stock responding today? >> we are seeing the stock actually losing steam, since mary barra took the hot seat on capitol hill. company shares have already been losing ground when it announced this recall in february. but then, what we saw happen, investors hit that sell button even faster, pushing the stock lower. now if you look at the broader picture for general motors, shares are down 15% so far this year. yes, the stock has rebounded in recent days, despite the open-ended question of how much money gm is going to have to shell out on these recalls. so far, here's how things are tallying up. gm has said recalls will cost $300 million this year, but that amount could go higher. still, shareholders, they're not

running for the exits from this stop because auto makers still have $20 billion in cash at its disposal. that is actually a strong financial position to be in. one thing to keep in mind, though, "the wall street journal" is questioning whether the government bailout that gm had had anything to do with how gm handled this situation because government regulators, the very people who are supposed to look out for these kinds of things, didn't investigate what was happening, even though we got these complaints. this was around the time gm went bankrupt. and the government rescued the company. so this does raise questions. if gm's financial situation was behind gm not taking action on this early on because of worries about the cost involved about taking care of all these cars early on. >> and here we have this new ceo, first female ceo of the big three really trying to represent the new gm. but this goes back, at least reports of these faulty ignition switches, at least to 2004, and correct me if i'm wrong, but the crux of this legally speaking will be figuring out whether gm

knew about this, and just ignored these problems, or whether gm knew about this and purposefully brushed it under the rug, covered it up. >> i think you're right, brooke. the bottom line is we know that in 2009, there was this bankruptcy restructuring, and generally when you have this type of restructuring under the bankruptcy laws, you're shielded from civil lawsuits. you have this immunity from liability. now at this point, the question is did they know about this during this bankruptcy restructuring, and did they then hide that? did they not tell anyone? if that's the case, then perhaps that civil liability is still a possibility. perhaps they don't have that immunity. and then, it's sort of the -- i think this pandora's box of legal problems, because if that is the case, then you're starting to look at criminal liability. we already know the department of justice has opened up investigations. this is a real problem for gm. and i would think that what people were suggesting is listen, you've got to do the

right thing. you have to be a good corporate citizen and what you should do is start this victim's compensation fund at about a billion dollars and forget about all this liability and this immunity, rather, and make sure that these victims are compensated. i think that certainly will help the investors have more confidence in gm because they would be doing the right thing and investors would know what that cap is. if it's a billion dollars and they have $20 billion in cash, then as an investor, you're a little more comfortable. so i think we heard the right things from the ceo today, which is gm will do the right thing by its customers. >> even though some of those customers in some of those families, whether or not they were directly impacted by this particular issue or not, they're saying sorry, but sorry is not quite enough. the kenneth feinberg naming, perhaps not a huge surprise. sunny hostin and alison kosik, thank you very much. we are asking a question some

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welcome back to cnn's special coverage. i'm brooke baldwin. dozens of planes and ships. is it possible that flight 370 may never be found? that reality is looking more and more likely as each and every day passes. >> inevitably, i think if we don't find wreckage on the surface, we are eventually going to have to probably in consultation with everybody who has a stake in this review what we do next. >> let's go straight to renee marsh. you heard him. if no debris is found, the search teams will obviously have to re-evaluate what their next step is. what happens if the plane is never found? >> you know, that is a question we ask as we enter week four. what if this plane is never found? if that is the case, there could be safety and security implications for people who fly on airplanes every day.

and that's because many of the safety and security regulations are currently in place, they came about as a result of a crash or an incident involving an aircraft. september 11th, for example, hijacking. that led to the cockpit doors. the shoe bomber. that led to shoe checks at the airport. in 1996, if you remember, hazardous cargo onboard value jet flight 592. that caught fire. 110 people died in that crash when it went down in the florida everglades. that crash, that led to new cargo hold safety rules. so you can see how these crashes lead to changes within the industry. but if we don't find flight 370 or its data recorders, it really could be a missed opportunity, and as one former ntsb investigator said to me today, let's just say it turns out to be a fleet-wide problem, that no one knows about, if we find out

about it the next time this happens, that's not a good situation. that's just an example of why we really would want to know what went wrong onboard that plane. >> renee marsh. thank you. who knows? it could turn up decades from now, like this next story. absolutely stunning here. in the exact same area that these crews are looking for this plane, there was a world war ii battleship found more than 60 years after it sank. so you'll hear from the man who actually spent decades looking for this and he will share how he finally found it. plus, the search is also putting the spotlight on the junk, for lack of a better word, in the openings. coming up next, we'll talk to an expert with some objects crews are seeing, like this. my goodness. in the water. which shows us really the difficulty of spotting wreckage. you're watching cnn's special coverage.

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just about the bottom of the hour. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. we have now learned that families will be meeting with aviation tech experts in a closed door briefing. both malaysia airlines and the department of civil aviation will be there. although it's not exactly known what information they may share. but at the very least, it is another step toward transparency. let me remind you, it is 3:30 in the morning where the search is taking place on day 26, and officials have only just released that transcript, this two and a half page transcript from the cockpit of flight 370. here it is. as far as experts are concerned, and we have talked to many, they tell us it's all pretty routine, reading this thing over. but perhaps the biggest mystery today surrounds that left turn here. the veering off course. malaysian officials say the jet's hair pin turn to the west was deliberate at least. and this is now a new word we're

hearing. criminal at worst. and you have this new "wall street journal" report, says flawed coordination was the reason search teams were looking in the wrong part of the southern indian ocean for days. hundreds of lives taken somewhere in the depths of hundreds of thousands of miles of ocean. and not only speaking of flight 370 here. but also the voyage of the hmas sydney. it was a vessel that also disappeared off of australia's west coast. and cnn actually spoke to a man who helped find the sydney and he help can't help but see these eerie similarities between the ship and the plane. >> reporter: these are the first images of the sydney more than 60 years after sinking in battle with all lost at sea. this was taken in 2008 off the coast of western australia, the same waters from malaysia airlines flight 370 is believed

to have gone down. >> the sadness onboard, to see those images is going to be matched again if that occurs in this case. >> it looks like it actually sank upright. michael mccarthy was on the team that found the sydney after more than 25 years of searching. he sees eerie similarities in the search for flight 370. >> you have an enormous area where it could be or may not be. you have a similar depth of water. you have similar emotions. >> reporter: but the search today has the advantage of technology. if satellite images and search planes can find debris from the plane in time, the flight data recorder should be sending out a signal. but the search for hmas sydney shows that even without that signal, wrecks can still be found using sonar scans. it just takes time. mccarthy describes the process. >> that then just mows the lawn back and forward until you finally find the signal, which tells you there we have our

wreck. and that takes a while even if you don't know where to go. >> mccarthy and his team were able to pinpoint exactly what happened when it sank. investigators will be hoping to do the same with flight 370. but solving the mystery is only part of the search. >> it wasn't what happened. it wasn't so much whose idea was right or who was wrong, but whether the relatives got a sense of closure, to use a terrible word, because it's not really closure, is it? but they have a sense of one less mystery to them. >> reporter: this deep water mystery now solved gives hope to those still seeking answers to flight 370. >> he mentioned the fact that the families want these answers, so they continue to search for this plane. we're now discovering what can happen when the world cares so, so much about what exactly is in the ocean and floating on top of

it. talk about ocean junk here. in the search for the plane, we're learning a little bit more. look at this. spotting possible debris, ended up thus far picking up junk, garbage here. turns out the mh-370 search zone off australia is near one of five gyres in the world, so gyre -- it's a technical term for the way ocean kucurrents ca rotate. the gyres attract huge amounts of trash, things we use every day like coffee stir sticks. i mean, we found this picture, just to give you an example of how these stir sticks from one activist group, how they found them, more than a thousand. they've been turned -- look at this -- into artwork. but my next guest with that group that created that artwork. he is marcus ericson. executive director of the five gyres institute. five gyres because you've been to the five subtropical gyres in the indian ocean. you have been in this part of

the world where they're searching. before we get to that, you brought me some props. show me. >> yeah, i brought you a few things from the five subtropical gyres. we saw in 2009 right through the search area from perth, australia. and you find the same kind of debris. there's lots of big stuff from the fishing industry. like fishing buoys. you can see the orange, yellow and black buoys. you don't know what these things are until you get in the water and pick them out and find they're fishing gear. this is a truck tire from the japanese tsunami. a year and a half after that tsunami, we sailed from tokyo back to hawaii and found this debris. >> so when you're out there, because i haven't been to this part of the southern indn ocean. when you're out there and you're out on a boat, are you seeing this junk surrounding the boat, or do you have to go to the gyres to see this stuff? >> well, they're kind of few and far between, though. the buoys and the debris.

you'll see a buoy on the horizon. when you look down at the ocean's surface, you'll see a lot of smaller particles. there are billions of small particles of plastic. you'll come across a lot of big stuff along the way. >> so this is the challenge, right? we not only have those planes going over, trying to find the plane debris. but we have -- you know, the investigators at the time made such a big deal about these satellite images that the thailand and the french and others found the 300 floating objects one day, and 122 pieces another day. is it entirely possible that what you're holding could have been what they thought they saw on a satellite image? >> oh, i'm sure. i'm sure lots of the images they're looking at is this collection of background debris that's been there for years, if not decades. there are 300,000 pieces already there floating behind the scenes that they're picking up and thinking that they're from the aircraft and they're from not. >> is there any way to

distinguish between a tire and a piece of a floating cushion, let's say, from a plane? >> i think not until you get down to the water's surface. a satellite image might not have the resolution to discern a peace of luggage from a buoy or a truck tire. but once you're down there on the ocean's surface, you begin to see the kind of debris that's out there. fishing industry stuff. lots of buoys and fishing nets. also smaller items. all the single uses we use are finding ways into the ocean gyres. we can't fix the plane crash, but we can fix this plastic problem. >> that's what i wanted to get to, because i feel like accidentally, it's this ocean junk that's really been spotlighted because of this horrific mystery. but what's being done with the trash? is anyone's government taking any kind of responsibility, helping? >> well, what's happening is we're seeing a change, we're seeing producer responsibility happen. and that is when you make a product, think about the back

end of it. like what happens to the stuff we consume and throw away? where is away? we're finding away is our oceans. when you make a product, if it's for a single use throw away application, maybe plastic isn't the best material. so we're seeing companies change, and some governments are reacting to it. you see bag bans and phone bans happening across the united states around the world. so solutions are happening slowly. but producer responsibility is the key. >> marcus ericson, thank you for bringing your props and showing us firsthand what is in the water. executive director of the five gyres institute. thank you, sir. coming up next, we will take a closer look at the latest message from the cockpit to air traffic control, and we'll take you inside the flight simulator to show you exactly how that message was communicated. plus, this new video just in to cnn of that deadly landslide in washington state. we are now seeing exactly how much damage was caused there. cnn's anna cabrera got an up close look. we will check in with her live next.

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welcome back. i'm brooke baldwin. we'll get you back to our special coverage of that missing plane in a minute. just into us, new video showing just the utter devastation from the deadly landslide in washington state. the number of people confirmed dead now at 27. still missing 22. cnn's anna cabrera is live with us from arlington, washington. tell me what you saw.

>> reporter: it's so hard to describe. you have to see it with your naked eye to really understand that utter devastation you mentioned, brooke. the ground zero of this landslide in this debris field is just a couple of miles beyond this roadblock here. we rode in some vans along with some emergency personnel who took us right up to the landslide search zone. in fact, we were walking along part of the roadway where they've cleared part of highway 530 that was covered, and what we saw was a community that was just mutilated. we have video and can show you some of those pictures. some of that mud and debris you see along the side of the road is what was homes, and you can't even make out those different pieces of the homes because the pieces are so small. it gives you a sense of just how powerful that land and water was when it came ripping through this valley. you can see some tires in the debris. you can see a few large

appliances. you see cables that were perhaps attached to telephone poles or something like that that are all twisted and mangled. it's just a sad and messy situation in there. and because you can see just how high some of these debris piles are. it gives you a better understanding, gives me a better understanding of why this search effort is taking so long, because there is just such a vast amount of area, and such a depth of debris to get through, brooke. >> that brings me to my next question, because i've been following this story very closely, reading that some of the tough crews had such a tough time getting to the bodies that are marked with orange ribbon because it's too tough to recover them. can you give me an update on that process? are there still bodies in the mud? >> reporter: officials believe there are still bodies in the mud, but they haven't even found all of the bodies that are possibly there. we were told that there are some areas in that large debris field, we have some overhead

shots too that you might be able to see in the video. and that gives you a sense of the area, and you do see those ribb ribbons. some of those ribbons are marking a grid system of sorts that we've set up to help them say we've checked this area and we can move on to the next area. and we also were told that a lot of what you're seeing in some of the video is under wear, until the past 24 hours, which made it difficult to get in and search those zones. they've been using pumps to get all that water out and they've also had dogs, dogs with incredibly sensitive sense of smell that can even detect some human scent some ten feet lower beyond water, beyond muddy debris. and so those are some of the areas that they are trying to search today. again, we asked the commander who was there with us, it was lieutenant burke, actually, who is one of the information officers on scene helping to give us the information to pass along to our viewers. and he said, we don't know how long this is going to take. our goal is to try to find every victim that's possibly still out

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now that two and a half-page transcript has been released, there is still plenty of criticism about why investigators are still not knowing exactly who was speaking. officials have also been criticized for incorrectly reporting details of the conversation. cnn's martin savidge has been the source for understanding the inner workings of a trboeing 77. help us understand the transmission from the cockpit down to air traffic control, and from everyone i've talked to, pilots and experts looking at the transcript, they said nothing unusual here. >> it does look fairly normal. even before this transcript came

out, we decided to with the simulator run through everything we knew of 370, going from waiting at the gate, the passengers loading, then the pushback, the taxi on the runway. the takeoff. everything. and pretty much it came out exactly the same. i won't say used the same radio calls, but almost the same step by step. so it doesn't seem under the ordinary, with the exception that mitchell, one point towards the very end, malaysian 370 maintaining flight level 3500, meaning 35,000 feet. and just about six minutes and 40 seconds later, repeats it. and that seemed a bit odd. >> it's a little odd only because there's no indication that they switched frequencies. if they said contact another center and report your altitude, of course. you would expect that. but on the same frequency for a second time after the first time, that's a little odd. >> they weren't prompted in any way. so that's the only oddity we

could find. >> okay. the only oddity. gentlemen, thank you very much. i want to talk specifically about the forensic organization looking into who uttered those last final words. now that we know it wasn't exactly "all right, good night." it was something else. tom fuentes, our law enforcement analyst and former fbi assistant director. from a criminal investigation perspective, how exactly, using voice analysis, how does one figure out who was speaking? >> hi, brooke. in a case like this, you can bring in companies that do that kind of work, the government does that kind of work. but really, you have a small company here, a small group of pilots, and air traffic controllers that would pretty much -- they should be able to recognize the voice pretty easily of the captain and/or the co-pilot. some of the voice recognition software applications, it becomes a little more difficult when the speech is short. not long sentences or paragraphs

like you have also, the chance of having it garbled, ambient noise in the cockpit behind, the sounds of bells or whistles or whatever would also interfere with that. so, really, there is software out there. there are applications. they are not 100% but in this case, just humans that know both guys listening to their voices would probably be just about as effective. >> and then deducing if it's not one of those two guys, realizing that it would be this third party and who would that be? when you mention ambient noise, things that you could hear, fear or stress, mumbling from either a co-pilot or a pilot? >> well, a couple things with that. first of all, the recording is from the ground when the microphone is keyed and they are

receiving. this is not the uninterrupted voice cockpit recording that you would hope to have later from one of the black boxes. so that's a little bit different. secondly n. terms of stress, it's an acknowledgement that the co-pilot is making his first ride without a checked pilot and he's riding with a very experienced captain who he may look up to and want to impress. so the idea of being nervous in that situation, it may not reveal. you would expect a certain degree of stress, just the situation for that pilot. >> what about background noise? what could they get from hearing that? >> if there were alarms going off but again you'd have the co-pilot or pilot keying their microphone to speak with ground controllers and the idea during that five-second transmission the ground might be able to hear something that might sound like a fire alarm, it would be pretty hard to imagine making a calm,

"okay, good night," making normal transmissions when alarms are going off in the cockpit. >> sounds like there's a lot that they could be listening for. let's hope investigators are listening to it over and over and over. >> that's true. >> tom fuentes, thank you very much. much more on our special coverage of flight 370 in a moment. also, right now, president obama minutes from now will be speaking from the rose garden. here we are the day after the deadline to sign up for obamacare and the white house says in this last-minute push they reached their goal. great news nor them but republicans are suggesting that the administration is cooking the books. we'll tell you who is right. next.

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the president is scheduled to speak just minutes from now. we expect that he will trumpet the news that against all expectations, obamacare has apparently met its role of signing of 7 million people. not an april fools' joke, not kidding. here is white house spokesman jay carney. >> i've been at the white house from the very beginning and have seen people say that meaningful health care could not be done more times than i can count.

from before the law passed when it was thought to be politically impossible, to the day that it reached the supreme court, throughout ann election year when it was the principle subject of debate -- >> that was jay carney. and now this picture is a picture of the president getting the news, comes seven big smiles there in the oval office. gloria borger is in washington. she's our chief political analyst. we know that the president will be speaking very, very shortly. we know we'll have a chance to vet those numbers. but a couple months ago it looked like the keystone cops the way it rolled out and here we have the president. does he finally get to say victory? >> yeah. i think he will not crow about it and i was just talking to a senior white house adviser. i said, so, look, what he's going to do? crow about it? brag about it? he said, look, he's going to

say, we're meeting our goals and we're doing well and he's going to talk about it in the context of what is means for the country. the 7 million people that signed up, 4 1/2 million get medicaid. so over at the white house they are pretty pleased with the way it worked out given the way it started with the bundling of the website. we were talking about 100 people signing up at one point. remember? >> uh-huh. uh-huh. >> not that long ago. >> now we have north of the 7 million figure. you have heard that the president will not be crowing but he will be pleased. the other side of the story is the republicans. because they plan to make health care issue number one. house speaker john boehner still talking repeal. look at this here. this is a quote from yesterday. gloria, as far as repealing obamacare full on, has this ship not sailed? >> yeah. it's a lot harder to make the

political case when people have something to say you're going to take it away from them. now you say you can be insured without pre-existing conditions and are you going to take that away from people? so the notion of working on large-scale repeal may work in some quarters in conservative d districts but i think the republicans would do well to have a plan to replace obamacare if they have that. i do think they have legitimate questions that they are asking, which is how many previously uninsured people have enrolled in this? how many people have paid? kathleen sebelius, who is running this show, says that 80 to 90% of the people have paid. but the big question out there, brooke, is in 2015 when the insurance companies have to start re-evaluating premiums here, how much are premiums going to go up? we don't know the answer to that question because we don't know what the risk pool looks like.

will it have a lot of sort of a balance between younger and older people or will it be geared to older, sicker people. >> we'll find out. i have to leave it with you there. we'll watch for the president in a matter of minutes. we'll take it live in about 15 minutes from now. i'm out of here. i'm brooke baldwin. jim sciutto is in for jake tapper for "the lead." >> the families on board flight 370 will soon get a closed-door update. maybe malaysian officials can avoid reducing them to tears this time. this is "the lead." the world lead. relatives furious at the way that malaysia has handled this mystery will meet in private with tech experts have the malaysians revised and then revealed the full flight transcript. and so