we're live with the latest. >> also, police in malaysia acknowledge they may never know what caused the disappearance of flight 370. this as they ramp up the investigation. in the hot seat, another round of grilling for gmceo today. angry families speaking out. did they get answers? your "new day" starts right now. good morning. welcome to "new day." it is wednesday, april 2nd. we're going to bring you the latest on the search for flight 370 in just a moment, but a massive 8.2 earthquake, at least five people killed so far. estimates are very early. they're still trying to figure

out the scope of the damage down there. the earthquake struck late last night. 61 miles off chile's northern coastline. we have team coverage on this. let's start with rafael romo. >> reporter: as many as 900,000 people had to be evacuated for fear of a tsunami last night. now authorities are waiting for daylight to assess the true extent of the damage. sirens blaring, people running into the streets as a powerful 8.2 magnitude earthquake hits off the coast of northern chile causing landslides, power outtajs and triggering warnings. items crashing to the ground. the initial jolt sending shoppers and employees running

for the door. the massive quake proving deadly and forcing officials to evacuate the nation's entire coastline according to chile's interior minister. also saying, about 300 prisoners escaped. in a news conference, chile's president warning that officials will not know the full extent of damage until inspectors are able to assess during daylight hours, though initial reports show chile may have dodged a major catastrophe. >> this is not the large earthquake we were expecting. we are actually still expecting potentially an even larger earthquake. >> reporter: and the president has declared three disaster zones. kate, back to you. >> some fears of looting going on right now. we'll continue to check in with

you. so the earthquake in chile comes, as we mentioned, just five days after a 5.1 magnitude quake shook the los angeles area. there have been well over 150 aftershocks since then. they has people wondering about a possible connection. indra petersons is taking a look at that. >> the one thing we need to remember, these are two very seismically active regions. we're talking about a 8.2 earthquake across that plate in south america. los angeles is a completely different plate. keep in mind, just in the last month of march in chile, they already had a handful of quakes over 5.0. other than the correlation that they were on the ring of fire, they are not correlated. remember, we don't have much information as far as earthquakes to get information as far as timing and correlation. it was a magnitude 8.2, just

12.5 miles underneath. therefore very close to the shore. very strong impact. so that was the concern. but that was only the first concern as we all know there was a tsunami wave. only took about 20 minutes for 6-foot waves to reach the region. that energy disburses all the way out into the ocean. this threat is not over with just yet. notice as we go forward in time, we still have that concern even this morning. in fact, there's actually an advisory out in the hawaiian islands for the next several hours because that wave is imminent. there's still a threat in their region. >> still have something to watch out for the next few hours. let's turn now back to the search for flight 370. now being classified as a

criminal investigation. extensive interviews have been conducted with people who know the pilots well. malaysia airlines also adds tight nd cockpit security on their planes. let's get to jim. what are some of those new measures? >> reporter: they ininvolve the cockpit and who is allowed inside the cockpit. they involve the security procedures that would be in place when a pilot has to take a bathroom break, other things like that. malaysia airlines isn't discussing them specifically, but there was a memo sent out to employees advising them of all of that. meantime, we've got the inspector general of the police today raising the possibility. he said one of the things they've investigated is the possibility of food poisoning. as unlikely as that seems given the fact that the coms failed, he said that's just one of the

things they looked at. they've done more than 170 interviews in this, and he called it a criminal investigation. they still have no direct links to know what happened inside the cockpit. they've asked so many questions. they're talked to just about everyone who touched that a aircraft, kate. they believe there's a possibility they may never know. the prime minister is down in australia. until and unless that flight data recorder is found, they're not likely to have the information that they need to conduct a real investigation into what happened on board the plane. chris? >> you certainly put it right there at the end. whether they get the information to properly investigate. thank you for the reporting. it is all about possibilities at this point. let's dig into the latest with mary schiavo.

also an attorney who represents victims, a former prosecutor. she deals with families after airplanedy sasters. and mr. david suecy, no sloich himself. author of "why planes crash." thanks to both of you. possibilities. things are possible at this point. right? that's a very low standard of proof and that's part of the frustration for the families certainly. so investigators say this morning, we don't know if we're ever going to be able to find that out. true. incontrovertible, not worth debating, maybe you do never know. the question is, what do you know. even though, david, you believe they could be holding back information. mary, you say you don't know why they say it's criminal based on what they released. what is the information they could have that justifies a

criminal investigation when they say they have no connection between the pilots and this event. david? >> the fact that there was a turn at hand, a human hand. however it was actually commanded. the fact is that this airplane had intent. it wasn't an automated thing. it wasn't a free flight that just decided to make that turn. >> do they know that? >> yes. >> they know it couldn't have been a turn on trim, so to speak, because of something that happened on the plane? >> it's not just the turn, it's the recovery from the turn. if it turned and continued to spiral, yeah, possibly no one's at the controls. it spiralled and continued to fly for so many hours. now, remember, it doesn't have to be proven that it's criminal in order to restrict information. i refer to use restrict because that's the technical term for

what they're doing. they're not holding anything back. that is -- mary can speak to the legalities. as far as the informations i've known, i've done several that were criminal, and we were restricted from releasing information. >> restricting information is good and promising because it shows some type of trail. what if that's not what it is? what if this is blind conjecture of their trying to figure out why the plane turned and they're just deeming it criminal? but it means something to the families. certainly means something to the families of the pilots. >> well, it also means something to the investigation. look, we did that in tws 800. so it's just a way for them to procedure. there were a few includes in what they said yesterday. they now say that it may not be either the pilot or the

co-pilot. that's the first we've heard that. it's pretty easy to tell. you just get someone to listen to the voice. that's a clue they're looking elsewhere. a funny thing in their statement. they said, we would be looking at prosecution down the road. well, you can't prosecute two dead pilots. can't send them to jail. obviously they started looking to persons outside the cockpit and probably because the fbi said they found nothing when they went through their computerers and the flight similar later. so we have a couple leads that they're looking to anyone outside the cockpit as well as inside. i haven't seen any etd, facts, data, but they have to do it. >> so it's important. you went over a couple things there we should pull out and emphasize. the fbi, no red flags on the pilots. looking at the passenger manife manifest, nobody pops out.

that's important to know because just like the search with the grid on the ocean, every time you find out that the plane isn't somewhere, that's relevant. now we hear another bit of information. they're looking into the food, david. why? we all know that airplane food is not great. why might it be suggestive of something more here? >> this shows how dedicated they are. they're looking at every aspect they can. food is a vulnerability on an airplane. i know it is for me. it's possible for any fair just intent. not everybody eats. to me, it doesn't seem like a common thing if -- >> i hear you on the restricted information. and i'm putting a lot of hope on that. it's one thing to have tv people in certain places speculating. but for investigators taking

shots out there would be concerning because the families they hinge on hope so much. i guess they have to look at everything. but when investigators say they're looking at something, it takes on weight. you would hope they look at the food. and if they find something, then put out they were looking at the food as opposed to reverse. >> they can't say with conviction it's not that. that's the danger with putting out these speculative reaches. you put it out without thinking of the end in mind. then you go to the families and say, we didn't find anything. >> that keeps seeming to happen here. mary, one of your 15 credentials is former prosecutor. it's hard to prove the nonexistence of a fact, right? >> right. and you always want to say sometimes no evidence is that. you have to look elsewhere. i think that was what was in

their release yesterday. that they increased the cockpit security measures. the measures they put in place including having the flight attendant go in the cockpit, that's been the rule in the united states. also practicality. if there's only one pilot in the cockpit and he or she passes out or dies, that's happened, then the flight attendant can let the other pilot back in the cockpit. we've had those rules for a long time. it's pretty common sense. >> if they haven't had those rules, i really commend them for continuing to make changes. a lot of times in these investigations, they will sit and do nothing. two years later sometimes they'll wait. what they're doing here is very proactive. they're saying we have this piece of information, it's not conclusive, but nonetheless, we're going to do the safest

thing which is to move processes forward now. >> as mary pointed out, arguably they were behind any way. as you pointed out from one of your sources, they were also behind in terms of storing and maintaining batteries for black boxes. >> which again they've taken action on that already i've found. so that's good. >> another development this morning. it's worth noting is that submarines are now involved in the search. they obviously have capablecapa. it gets a little cloudy. but it is a step in terms of more intensity for the search. thank you for the perspective. always a pleasure. let's take a look at more of your headlines now. the white house now says 7.1 million merps have signed up for health coverage under obamacare surpassing the orange target of 7 million. president obama says the

affordable care act is here to say, but a republican says the fight is not over to kill it. mideast peace talks are on life support. secretary of state john kerry cancelling a trip today. this follows reports of an e meshlging deal involving u.s. release of an american accused of spying for israel. the deadline is not over yet. the house has given final approval to a bill that sanctions russia and provides aid to ukraine. it heading to president obama's desk for his signature. in the meantime, russia is accusing nato of using cold war language. the organization says it has seen no sign that moscow was withdrawing troops from the ukrainian border.

>> the search continues this morning for the 20 people still missing after that devastatie i mudslide in washington state. workers saying they have to move very slowly because the mud and muck is like quick sand. another concern and it is a big concern for the search crews, a huge amount of contaminants have leeched into the debris. we're talking raw sigh waj, propane, gas and oil. they are trying to get to those victims. it's important work and it's -- that it's far from over. >> started learning how thick the mud is -- >> three stories. >> you can't imagine the work they have ahead of them. let's take a break. we're going to continue our coverage of flight 370. family members are desperately looking for answers about the

fate of their loved ones. they've just been briefedly malaysian authorities. we're going to talk to one man whose mother was on board. the gm recall we are all over it. the ceo is under fire for the handling of faulty ignition switches. she is new there. she's looking into it. congress is not convinced. we'll show you why.

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welcome back to "new day." newly minuted ceo mary barra answering for general motor's deadly ignition switch problems. she's set sto testify today after yesterday's hearing. >> there will be times were there will be a material or a part that doesn't meet the exact specification, but after analysis and looking at the performance, the safety, the durability, the reliability, the functionality, it will be okay. >> what you just answered is gobbledeguke. >> let's discuss. our cnn global economic analyst is here. what barra was trying to do

there was make a distinction between a defective part and something that's dangerous. >> that's right. >> what she wouldn't say is why it took so long for gm to fix a problem that they knew about for years. >> that's the crux of the problem. that's the big question. she says that investigators within the company and outside the company are still looking into that. what she was trying to get at is that when a company builds a pa part, they have a parameter if they fall, even if it's a little bit off, they'll consider it okay to use that part. we start to get into a lot of kn nuance here. one of the most damming parts of the testimony yesterday was the fact that gm did know there was a problem with these switches before the cars went on the

market. >> you just answered your own question. it is about nuance if the issue is whether or not you know this part can be dangerous. >> right. >> that is not the issue here. the issue is you knew the part was dangerous. we know you changed the part because you knew it was dangerous. you may have done it in a shady way with the serial number thing. why did you do it the way you did it. barry is not going -- barra is not going to be able to give them anything on that. >> i think you're getting to something important because how did this happen. was this a case of, you know, who knew what. >> she can't tell them. >> and she can't tell them. did somebody make a cynical decision or was there more of an engineering, somebody's not talking to another department kind of a problem. >> she did honestly answer she wasn't in the position to know at the time. i didn't know.

i would like to know. one congressman said very clearly, but you are the company right now. at some point doesn't the "i didn't know" answer not work. >> i think she's legally correct to say i didn't withhold information and she didn't. at the end of the day, and she said this herself, she has to take responsibility. i think one of the interesting things is that the company is now considering compensation for the business. >> they're bringing in fienberg. do you think it's a pr move? >> no. i think the fact they may be considering compensation before and after the bankruptcy -- >> they're protected so they wouldn't have to pay. >> they wouldn't have to do that. this makes me think that they're thinking about that. >> they would have to pay if it is considered a criminal activity, you know, a fraud. then there's going to be civil

penalties attached. that they would have to pay. so they have to worry about that. i think the confusing part about this is the congressman used the word "gobbledeguke." i tell you, it applies to the hearing. they don't know what they're talking about. >> absolutely. >> i believe this is just the beginning. gm is not alone. car makers do this and they've been allowed to do it by government. they've been allowed to do it by the agency that oversees them. that guy was unimpressive when he gave his testimony. he didn't make any sense either. i think that federal prosecutors looking at it is a good sign. i think that's someone's going to crack down and it ain't going to come from congress. >> there's been a culture of cost cutting at a lot of auto

makers over the years. >> she herself criticized that, right? >> that's right. there's entire books written about it. >> someone says it's okay when we find out that you put on a table what chris' life is worth in terms of your 90 cent change. this is an ignition switch. it's not one of the ones involved, but they're all about the same. but you make a financial decision. period. >> but can she -- it's still a business. can she change that culture really? >> i think she can. decisions like this are made from the top. and gm had a culture of letting the bean counters make the decisions. the engineers were in the backseat, so to speak. she can change that. she's an engineer and i do think that she's committed to making that change, but she's going to have a big mess to clean up before she can. >> another hearing starting in the next few hours.

>> it's like a warmup, the hearing. imagine, it's kind of like cigarettes. if you make something that you know is dangerous to somebody and you allow it to go to market anyway, why isn't that a crime? >> make a distinction, though between cigarettes and cars. >> cigarettes are much worse. no question about it. cars are not inherently dangerous. if you know as a car manufacturer this may happen and i know enough to do an analysis, why isn't it a crime? if you make it a crime, it stops. >> it's going to take a long time. but it's worthwhile. >> talk so much needed a zip. when we come back, the latest on the search for flight 370. family members are frantic for answers. they're meeting with malaysian officials. we're going to find out what they were told when we speak to

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welcome back to "new day." it's half past the hour. a devastating 8.2 magnitude earthquake off the coast of chile triggering mass evacuations, landslides and power outages. at least five people have died. new revelations about nsa spying on americans. the director of national intelligence admits in a letter the agency used a back door to search e-mail and other

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government. malaysia's chief of police confirmed it's been classified now as a criminal investigation. and now malaysia airlines is increasing security on their planes. this after a malaysian government course said the turn off course is being considered a criminal act. with so little evidence released to the public, what are they looking at? joining me now to discuss is retired fbi agent steve moore joining me from los angeles. thank you for waking up early. >> sure. >> we have such little direct evidence that at least has been released by malaysian officials leading the investigation. what do you see here that points to a criminal investigation? >> i see nothing that would lead anybody to make it anymore of a criminal investigation than just a speculative investigation. as chris said earlier, they're checking everything from food to

cargo that's responsible. checking to make sure it isn't a criminal act is part of the process, but you can't just label it as such. >> one of the things you pointed out is one of the things we're learning about this morning that they're also looking into the cargo and food on the plane for a possibility of a poisoning or to eliminate it. you say that's just responsible. you don't think that indicates that they're leading the investigation one way or the other. >> absolutely not. what you have to do is just cover every base. there can't be any questions when this is over. if somebody says, but did you see that. yeah, we did. we looked at everything. right now, it is no more responsible to say it's a criminal act than it is to say, by the way, we've decided it's food poisoning. there's no evidence.

>> they're also pointing out the four possibilities which they point out would be hijacking, sabotage, personal problems and psychological issue. does this tell you they're ruling some other possibilities out or just running the gamut? i think just running the gamut. i would add a few to that. until you find the wreckage and until you examine the wreckage, we probably aren't going to know anything definitively. >> what's your assessment of how the investigation has gone so far? >> i think the investigation by the malaysian authorities has been kind of embarrassing. i think the australians and the rest of the western world's investigation and the eastern world has been much more credible.

the problem is, when you lose credibility with the passenger families, you get them doing things like -- like peculiar kepting your officers or having sit-ins or things like that. they've lost people's confidence. now it's going to be somebody else who's going to have to give the definitive word on the investigation. >> they're still leading the investigation, though. is there a way to make up for the embarrassment? they have acknowledged that things were slow to pick up in the beginning, but are they gaining ground at all now? i was talking to david about this earlier. he said that also assists them in being able to restrict the information flow if they say it's a criminal act. they also aren't going to be releasing maybe the amount of information they would if they classified it as something else. do you see that? >> yes, i can see that. and i can see political reasons

why they might want to call it a criminal act. but right now, i don't think it's retrievable. if your family god forbid was on that airplane, you would certainly not consider the malaysian authorities word the last word on this. you would want to hear it from somebody else. i think they've lost the confidence of the word essentially in this investigation and the world is going to take somebody else's evidence on this. >> we do know that many nations are assisting as much as possible, as much as they're allowed to. they say they've gotten 170 statements at this point, and it's clear that this investigation is to far from other. always great to see you. thanks so much. >> thanks. >> and kate, the point that you and steve are making there obviously counts the most with the families. we're going to speak with a man whose mother was on board the missing jetliner and he is

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officials in kuala lumpur demanding absences. the meeting was also watched by families in beijing. many of them have chosen to stay in china determined not to go until solid evidence that debris or remains are found is available. joining us now from beijing is steven wang. he attended the briefing with officials. did anything come out of this meeting that was heldful to you and your family? >> well, today's meeting, i don't think it -- it just give us any useful information because they just let us to ask question, maybe we just ask four, five question. after that, they said the investigation team is very busy. and they also said we will also request later. so we didn't have any useful information today. >> did they tell you that they can't give you information because it's part of a criminal

investigation or they just don't have the information that you need? >> well, it is not -- they -- they didn't mention whether it is a criminal investigation or something like that. they just said that some of the key information is still under investigation so they cannot give us. >> all right. and now, that's very hard to hear, not for the media, but for you it is because this is about family for you. what does your t-shirt say? under the shirt here, what does that say, the t-shirt you have on? >> well, this says first pray and pray for mh-370 and this is come back safely. >> come back safely. that message for you personally goes to your mother. tell us, who was your mother, where was she coming from, when was the last time you got to speak with her. >> well, she is from beijing and

the last -- the last time i connect her was at about midnight before she was getting on the plane. she was in kuala lumpur's airport and she told me that i should pick her up the next morning because it is cold in beijing. so she told me that i should take a coat for her and that is the last message. >> you've been waiting for answers. obviously the waiting is the most difficult part for family. do you believe that investigators are doing everything they need to do? >> yes. well, i'm not sure, but i'm sure that there are still something that was hidden. >> something that was hidden? you think something happened and the government knows but they're not telling you? is that what you're saying? >> yes. yes. because it was ridiculous that a flight heading to beijing but it

turns west and flying over the malaysia for one hour but they didn't take any action. it was ridiculous. what does the military do? they was supposed to save the country. it was impossible. i think there might be other information that they didn't tell us. >> family members, members of your own family, how much hope are you keeping that family members will be found alive? where are you in terms of what you're ready to accept? >> well, i have to say that it might be 1%, even less than 1%. but it was very little, but i think there's still hope. >> and certainly there should be hope to find out what happened. i know that's very important to the families. it's a big reason that we're

staying on this story so that answers can come so that you can figure out what happened to your mother and your family can then cope with whatever the situation is. we're going to try to keep the story going. as you have questions, let us know, steven. thank you for joining us. and we are pray for your mother and the other people on that plane. >> all right. thanks. thank you. coming up next on "new day," more on the search for flight 370. an expert on our show tuesday suggested the safest flight may be one without a pilot. he's back with us to debate whether technology could make pilots obsolete. an 8.2 earthquake in chile. we're going to be live just ahead.

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accident rate, if you want to do that, it's hard to have this highly evolved monkey sitting in the cockpit. >> unsurprisingly those comments turned up quite a bit of backlash from the pilot community. with us is jeff wise. gentlemen, good to have you both here. so obviously, there has been some backlash about what you said yesterday. they reached out to us. the airline pilots association. and they sent a statement. i'd like to read it and i want you to clarify or whatever you want to say to the comment. let's take a look at that. technology and air transportation is a powerful tool, but is no substitute for a professional pilot's ability to communicate, gain perspective from a sound judgment. do you standby those statements

from yesterday? >> i think when you liken people to monkeys -- >> yeah. >> but i am also a highly evolved monkey. i'm proud to be a highly-evolved monkey. slightly. not as evolved as most pilots, granted. >> your point was more that it's the human factor, correct? i don't want to put words in your mouth. >> i think the baseline thing that people need to understand is that aviation is unbelievably safe. there's tens of thousands of planes in the air at any given time and they almost never crash. if you want to get this an even more unbelievable level of safety, you start to get to the level of performance that human beings perhaps were never intended to achieve. to err is human. if you want to never have a criminal act, never to have someone have a psychotic break,

you start to wonder, can you build the system to exclude human element. >> you heard his comments yesterday. i know you spend a lot of time in the green room with our jeff. where do you stand on the idea of taking out the human factor? >> i think it's predictable where i'm going to stand on that. the airline pilots association reacted appropriately to jeff's statements. the machines that we build are designed by humans and it's designed with flaws. we have to operate them as humans. it's sexy to be proximate cause on an accident making it pilot error. it makes better news. when that occurs, there may be a flaw in the system in the way it's designed and the way we operate it. >> so you're saying it could be a one-two punch. they said just the other day with asiana, pilot error was

partly to blaem. they weren't able to read some of the readings correctly in air france. there was technology also partly to blaem. there you see human and technology not working together. >> now you throw in the pilot element and go back to iowa. here is a machine that broke down on these pilots and it took basically three people to -- to take control of this airplane and we had survivors out of something that was not a survivable situation. >> that brings up a really great point, jeff. we all can think of the miracle on the hudson. i want to know there's going to be a he row ik measure on the part of the captain. >> curl churly, i'm not sure whether we can generally accept getting into that airplane

looking forward and seeing no -- pilots internally, we say it's just going to come down to that one pilot and a dog. and the dog's only there to bite the pilot if he touches something. but we all know it's unrealistic will. >> i also feel that. it's an emotional response. >> sure. >> and i share it. but the way that the world is changing is to take humans out of the loop. it used to be you wanted to buy an air ticket, you went to the travel agent. we're se-- >> couple topics i want to get to quickly. training. we know the training has changed. are the younger pilots being trained on more automated systems, are they at a disadvantage if they have to revert to manual systems in the case of an merge or is that not

a true assessment? >> my experience started with stick and rudder skills way back when. we've slowly been integrated. now these folks starting early on with their careers are now presented with all this new automation. you can't train experience and they don't get the opportunity to get the experience from the original type of stick and rudder. they're trained specifically for the automation of today and maybe that proficiency hasn't gotten to the point until they get to a certain level of experience, which is time. >> i would like to talk about the cockpit voice recorder. there's been questions about that two-hour limit that's not helping us and won't help us in this investigation. but those are two other technologies that people are certainly looking at of how they can be improved and there's debate. always a pleasure to have you both here.

chris? >> all right. a lot of news happening this morning. we have breaking news of an earthquake overnight. the gm recall hearings and the latest on the search for flight 370. so let's get to it. sirens blaring, people running into the streets as a powerful 8.2 magnitude et quake hits off the coast of northern chile. >> why won't you give us anymore information, sir? >> based on the statement they made, they much something that they haven't released publicly. >> think about how we died and that's not fair. >> gm now admits it knew about the defect as early as 2004. >> who knew what when? images don't fully capture the devastation. >> digging through this debris field, it's over well ming. good morning. we want to welcome our viewers from across the u.s. and around the world.

we're going to begin with breaking news. chile rocked by a massive 8.2 magnitude earthquake. at least five people dead. we're getting reports of fires, landslides and widespread damage. power is out in many areas. tens of thousands of people were forced to evacuate. the earthquake centered just 61 miles off chile's northern coast. let's get the latest from cnn's rafael romo. >> reporter: they just confirmed that the death toll has increased to six. they're also telling us this morning that as many as $9900,0 people had to be evacuated overnight. the tsunami warning has been lifted already, but daylight is beginning to reveal the extent of the damage.

the earthquake caused at least three fires. there was also a situation where 300 inmates at a women's prison escaped during the earthquake. and also major highways were damaged by mud slides. the president of chile is traveling this morning to the affected areas. she dispatched the national police and the military to help people in need. kate, back to you. >> all right. thank you very much. we'll be checking back with you as this continued to develop this morning. also the other big story of the day, the search for flight 370. overnight a stunning confirmation from malaysia's police chief. he told reporters it's a criminal investigation and focused on criminal and psychological issues. malaysia airlines increasing cockpit security and new measures that a source to cnn

said directly relates to the missing flight. let's talk more about this with mary schiavo. she's former inspector general for the department of transportation. now an attorney who represents victims and families after airplanedy sasters. and also with us, david, the author of "why planes crash." also a former faa inspector. another morning. another round of details we need to work through. david, let's start with the cockpit measures. i find this interesting that they're announcing new cockpit measures being put in place. i'm sure there's much more. what they described is the pilot and the co-pilot, they cannot be alone in the cockpit at any point. if one leaves, one of the crew needs to go into the cockpit until they return. >> right. >> does -- this seems like a smart move i assume, but what do you take from it? >> it is a smart move. what i'm impressed with with

malaysia airlines is they're not waiting for the end result. here's why they typically do wait for the end result. because if they say we're making these changes now, it could put them in a liable situation. they're going to say, you knew you had a problem and you're admitting to it. later, it could be thrown back in their face. you knew you had the vulnerability and you took action on it. a lot of airlines will wait until the end report, react to the end report or even wait for the faa or someone to force them to do it so they're not saying we knew about it and tried to take action. i'm really supportive of malaysia airlines for taking action now, not waiting, because that's the lives now. they're protecting lives now. >> looking at this from the outside, it does make you wonder why isn't this already standard procedure, this cockpit security?

>> right. and it's standard procedure in the united states and a lot of other countries for two reasons. one, obviously for security. and for example, the pilot is not allowed to open the door until he or she looks through the peephole. so what, you're going to have no one at the controls if the other pilot has to leave to use the restroom. we've had that rule since the locking cockpit doors. before 9/11 if the pilot flying has a heart attack, gets sick, dies, that has happened, then the flight attendant is there to let the other one back in. we've had that rule for a long time. >> let's bring in jim clancy who's been leading our coverage in kuala lumpur. one thing that's been interesting is hearing from malaysian officials acknowledging today saying for the first time that, we may not find out what happened to that flight 370. what did you hear?

>> reporter: well, the police inspector general was very clear that they have exhausted a lot of leads here. they have cleared the passengers of all four areas that, you know, wasn't financial duress a that anybody was under, they weren't involved with any known terror groups. so this is the first time it has come out clarifying that. but he also notes that they've got leads. they've done 170 different interviews, interrogations, taken statements, but it's really not giving them any solid evidence of where they can go from here. nothing that jumps out at them and can tell them yes, we discovered what happened to this flight. they have said very clearly until and unless they discovered that flight recorder, they're coming to a deadened. >> jim raises a really good point. you have the four possibilities.

hijacking, sab talk, personal problems and psychological issues. but they have no direct evidence leading them one way or the other so far. where do they go then? >> well, i was going to say we have to consider the source on what he's saying going back to will we ever find what happened. the source is coming from the people doing the criminal investigation. what he's saying is, we may never find out what happened from a criminal perspective. which is true. we may not ever know what happened in the cockpit. all you're going to know is the last two hours, which is not certainly going to provide any conclusive includes. so i want to frame that a little bit is that that's coming from the criminal investigation side of it. i don't think anybody's going to give up on this investigation. people are going to continue to look for that airplane as long as it takes. >> mary, from yourosition of

experti expertise, what do you make of the fact that while we have no direct evidence released publicly pointing us one direction or another, authorities continue to say that this is a criminal gaix and ma we know what happened, that left turn that was made, was a criminal act? what do you take from these statements? >> i take from the statement that i'm hoping they have something else. because what is publicly available is a lack of evidence. there is just an absolute silence from any kind of terrorism activity, criminal sabotage. there's no intelligence coming over the wires. if they cleared everybody on the plane and come up empty on the pilot and co-pilot for motives and everything was calm from the transcript on the flight until they made that turn, whatever happened happened very suddenly. i take it that they just are looking anywhere at anything and they don't really have anything

right now. and that's not surprising. we have had in the united states accidents that remained a technical unsolved, meaning they didn't have a solution for them f four years. >> jim, i think you would know better than anybody, jim, as you've been speaking investigators. do you think even though they are running down every lead they possibly have, do you get a sense that they're nearing in this investigation -- i hesitate to say give up, but they are reaching a dead end that they're not going to be able to circumvent. >> reporter: first of all, in the police inspector's statement, he was talking about the passengers alone. not the crew members. all right? let's make that clear. second of all, yes, they are going back. they are recovering the leads. they scanned the passengers another entire time. they've done it now three times

because they don't want to leave anything unturned, but they have so little to go on. he brought up food poisoning today. no one is thinking a bad salad caused the com system to go down, but they have just ex-ploerd everything and looking at all possibilities. dead end, you can't say that. an investigation can always takeny twists and turns. but i think they're stymied. >> david, mary, always great to have you. obviously continue this conversation throughout the morning as this investigation continued. but we have no hard leads right now. let's take a look at more of your headlines. the white house is claiming victory after 7.1 million americans signed up for health care coverage under obamacare surpassing the original target of 7 million. president obama says the affordable care act is here to

say, but republicans opponents say the fight to kill it is not over. anyone enrolling but could not finish, now has a grace period in order to complete it. the mideast peace process put on hold. secretary of state john kerry scrapping a trip today. earlier this yeek, kerry reportedly offered to release an american spy who was accused of spying for israel in exchange for major concessions from israel. this morning, crews will be back out digging through the site of the devastating mudslide in washington. the death toll is now at 28. officials say hubs of people and dogs are vovrld in the search. weather conditions have been good in the recent days making

it easier to dig. pacific gas and electric now officially charged. indicted on 12 counts of willfully violates federal pipeline safety laws between 2003 and between. it faces a possible $6 million fine, but that could go up if the court finds they benefited financially from the disaster. it killed eight people and destroyed 38 homes. yeah, that is a chain saw imbedded in james valentine's neck. she was in a harness halfway up a tree when he says somehow the saw came back at him when the power was on. he and a co-worker were able to get him off the tree. they held the blade in place in his neck. keeping it in his neck doctors say is what kept him from

bleeding to death. 30 stitches, an hour of surgery, it was a quarter inch from his carotid artery. >> stop it. amazing. i have goose bumps. >> only 30 stitches? >> 30 stitches. you had a chain saw in your neck. >> because he survived, he has a phenomenal tough guy story. >> you can't out tough him. >> nope. who me? i had a chain saw in my neck. you can't beat that. >> yep. >> right? >> yep. the only person i know who had something tougher than that happen to them is probably our meteorologist indra petersons. didn't you fight off a pit bull or something like that using nothing but a high-heel shoe. >> unbelievable. i do want to quickly change subjects. we are going to be slowly ramping up to moderate risk for severe weather. that's not slight, but a

moderate risk. that's the second category here in through tomorrow. let's talk about the set up. notice the big temperature contrast across the country. we're talking about a front making its way across the country going between the cold air and the warm air. most of you looking for showers through tomorrow and through the northeast lasting through the weekend. saturday morning, still looking for showers in the northeast. here is the concern today already, a slight risk. that's the first category. st. louis to just north of dallas, you have the threat. where you see the red, that is tomorrow, that's where we have the second level, that moderate risk is expected to be out there. even houston. friday, as it makes its way farther to the east, threat from pittsburgh down through new orleans. the other side of it of course means rain. yes, spring is here. and heavy rain, even flooding

concerns. look at this indianapolis, 4 inches of rain. something i really want people to pay attention to. a lot of times people say i had no idea it was coming. here it is, the forewarning. it's the season. >> take rain over snow, though. >> yes, i will. any day. coming up on "new day," the difference between life and death just 1 millimeter. we're talking about that faulty gm ignition switch. we're going to talk to the person that discovered it. they literally were digging through junk yards and wound up discovering this situation. does he think there's a coverup? we're going to ask him. plus how did republicans respond to obamacare's big news yesterday hitting more than the 7 million enroll lee mark. a new plan to appeal the health care law? we're going to take you inside politics.

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but there's a chance that this change went somewhat unnoticed in house. gm didn't change the part number because of company policy. it actually took an year who does not work for gm digging through junk yards to uncover the change. he discovered it was an extra millimeter of plunger length. he joins us right now to explain and how he discovered it. he's a material engineer in florida. thank you very much for joining us. just to give a quick explanation here, what is the difference between a good and defective switch in this situation? explain the millimeter and other torque ratio we were talking about. >> good morning, chris. based on the information and the work that we did, a 1.6 millimeter difference is what i found to be the difference between the plungers in a new

switch versus the switches which were in the 2005 to 2007 chevrolet cobalts which i examined. 1.6 millimeter is approximately the thickness of a quarter. what that shorter plunger does is it does not exert enough force to hold it in the run position. >> as a result, it can switch out and that disabled a lot of electronic systems including the airbags, is that right? >> that's correct. airbags, the power steering and power brakes. >> you went to the junk yard. in your opinion, if this was changed, they had to know why they were changing it, right? >> well, that's correct. and there were -- there are indications early on, at least with the launch of the 2005

cobalt that there was a problem with the torque of the switches. and at that point, the cars, as we know now, went into production in april of 2006 there was a change made to the switch, a change to the detent plunger which is the part we were just looking at. that additional length and force that that new plunger adds to the switch is what helps to hold the switch in the run position. >> while they didn't change a huge part of the piece, they did change it for a huge reason. and yet, when they did it, you were able to discover that they did not change the serial number, is that right? >> correct. the part number for the switches in the -- starting in 2005 through the 2007 cobalt remained the same. the part number for the replacement switches remained the same and through --

>> you don't work for gm, but it seems unusual to you. you did a little research. you couldn't find that being done for other parts. even for gm, it made them difficult to calculate how many vehicles to recall. all this is true, yes? >> correct. i think that's what's continued to expand the number of cars being recalled for this issue. >> let's get to speculation here, but within your realm of expertise. why do you think you would change a part because you learned about that so you change it and not change the serial number? why would you do that? >> you know, at that point, i guess after listening to the hearings yesterday, that's still under investigation. it doesn't -- from an engineering standpoint for me, it doesn't make sense, particularly at least in a lot of my work. it's at least typical to start

adding a letter, a revision, a, b, c, something after the part number to identify that there are variations so that if you have an issue, you can contain -- you know which switches may be at issue. >> you discover this. you discover the the weerld thing with the part number. you go to gm and they say -- >> they basically -- after i took pictures, documented the additions in the -- differences in the plunger lengths, i gave it to my clients, lance cooper. they couldn't explain why we were seeing a difference. >> so they were playing dumb essentially. they were saying the parts were all the same. >> yes. that's what they were telling us, at least in early 2013. >> do you believe they had to know at that point that the plunger lengths weren't the same

length for a reason? >> yes. in the documentation that has come out as of the hearings shows that the detent plunger was changed to increase torque in the switch. >> now, it's one thing in litigation for lawyers to play fast and loose, especially in a deposition. they don't want to give anything away until it's actually proven in court. we understand that's what litigation is. however, these calculations being made on the corporate level about whether or not it was worth the money to change these, what do you make of that calculation, that how many cars will get -- become defective, how many accidents that can cause, is that worth the calculation of the price of fixing it? do you believe that's the way it worked inside gm? >> i think there's some indications right now that at least for this particular switch and some of the preventive actions that koifb taken, yes,

the cost factor was evaluated. at least the partial fixes were excluded because of cost-related reasons. >> just to be clear, you would have to know in the decision to change this part the way they did, the reason you were doing it, is that something dangerous could happen if the plunger length wasn't long enough, right? >> yes. it was fairly clear there was a torque issue with the switch and increasing the length of the plunger will increase the torque in the switch. >> and there's no question in your professional opinion that the part was changed. it's just that the part number wasn't, right? >> that's correct. the length of the plunger in new switches is definitely longer. >> so just to sum up, you know the part was changed, somebody had to know they were changing the part, and this part number wasn't changed. and when you told that to the company, they denied it initially. all that's true, right?

>> that's correct. >> a little bit -- >> it was de died initially. >> look at it this way, mark, if you hadn't gone digging through those junk yards, we may have never heard of any of this. thank you for the work you did. i know it was part of an on going civil litigation. at least now we know because a lot of lives could be affected by it. thanks for the work you did. thanks for coming on "new day." >> coming up next on "new day," these days everything is tracked, right? so how could a plane simply vanish? why the latest technology has not been enough to find flight 370. also ahead, secretly recorded comments from former vice president dick cheney slamming members of his own party. what did he have to say about possible 2016 front runners? what you wear to bed is your business.

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welcome back to "new day." let's take a look at your headlines at this mower. chile rocked by an 8.2 magnitude earthquake. it struck late last night. at least six people have died. hundreds of thousands of people are evacuating along chile's coastline where 7-foot waves came crashing into communities. officials are trying to get a handle on how bad the situation is right now. >> the search for flight 370, their confirming, is a criminal investigation and has been for more than two weeks. almost 200 interviews have been conducted with people who knew the pilots and had access to the

airplane. now, they are tightening cockpit security. they are also looking into the food on board the plane. breaking news off afghanistan, a suicide bomber blew himself up this morning outside a government building. he was trying to enter the interior of ministry when he tryinged the vest he was -- triggered the vest he was wearing. >> chrysler recalling nearly 870,000 suvs to install a shield. jeep cherokee and dodge durango will be inspected and have those boosters replaced where nets. joints in the break boosters can corrode making the vehicle's brakes harder to yutuse. let's get to "inside politics" on "new day." mr. john king joins us, as he

always does. >> good morning to you. a lot driving our day "inside politics." we're going to start with obamacare. 7 plus million enrolled in the program. joining me, juliana goldman. you're with the president yesterday and it's hard not to call this a victory lap. >> it's helping people from coast to coast. all of which makes the lengths to which critics have gone to scare people or undermine the law or trial to repeal the law without offering any plausible alternative so hard to understand. i got to admit, i don't get it. why are folks working so hard for people not to have health insurance. >> his spirits there are up. he's fully embracinembracing.

it's his law. is there any belief that other democrats will start bragging like that? >> i think the giddiness that you saw from the president and chief of staff came to the briefing room with donuts. you know it was a special day yesterday. i don't think it extends to how they view democrats fortunes come november. republicans are going to be p r pouring millions and millions of dollars into ads. they are still in a world of hurt. so the big question for the white house is how do they now pivot? do they need to keep playing defense or can they try and change the narrative. >> the president hits the road to try that today. does this put any pressure on republicans to be different in their argument. here's a tweet from ted cruz yesterday. he says dancing in the end zone

while millions of americans hurt. obamacare wasn't working last year and it's not now. we need full repeal. the louisiana governor, a potential 2016 prospect, he's going to release today his repeal and replace plan. what is the debate to chris size it? >> i think we're moving more towards here's what we do. if you look at are real clear politics pulling on the health care issue. the average over the course of the month says it's under water. republicans still think it's a good issue for them to run on. >> i want to show our viewers a picture. senate democrats had a news conference to brag like the president. you might not recognize these faces. these are leaders of the senate leadership mostly. they're more liberal. none of them are on the ballot this year.

so that's still the problem, right? getting the vulnerable, the people in the tough states to say, this is great. >> that's right. and you're not going to see them standing up there at press conferences touting the affordable care act probably. it's easier now to say let's work to fix something that's working to tweak it as opposed to fix something that's broken. you're still going to be hearing probably this needs to be fixed message coming from those vul unusually democrats. >> but do they feel a bit stronger now? >> yeah, i thankthy were looking for anything to get excited about. >> when we had the rollout, there were a lot of people saying kathleen sebelius could go. she's the former governor of kansas. she might be quick on her heels saying there's no place like home. and may be going home. listen here. she had a conversation. the next open enrollment period is in november, after the

election. listen. >> absolutely. this is the most satisfying work i've ever done. >> does the president want her to stay or is this more of a case in an election year if she left and you had to nominate a replace, you would give the senate a platform to have another health care debate. >> those are issues in consideration right now. kathleen sebelius was at the president's event yesterday. they have been supportive of her early on. in october when she did an interview that didn't go so well here, the president called her to tell her look, we're sticking with you and call her with words of support. >> loyalty helps. >> yep. >> the paul ryan budget. he wants to be the chairman of the house ways and means kmiet tee. he did release his last budget as the house budget committee chairman yesterday.

let's look at some of the particulars. they want to get to a balance budget eventually. balances by 2024. the big thing democrats think is they can take advantage of the changes, both spending cuts and changes in the medicare program to give you the right to opt out of medicare. do the democrats really think they can seize on that this year? >> yeah, the democrats were happy to run on the ryan budget in 2012. yesterday, when the budget came out, a lot of these tea party groups really came out and criticized it adds well. it speaks to me how he's perceived more and more of part of the party establishment. you saw sarah palin come out yesterday. >> not conservative enough. >> even more than the medicare argue. i think democrats see a stronger argument when it comes to taxes.

in the ryan budget, he lowers taxes for top income earners, increases for middle income. democrats think that that exposed -- that vulnerability is when it comes to values. that's the contrast they're looking to seize on heading into november. they think the giddiness of the affordable care account extended to this. >> we'll see if democrats can shift the dynamic. former senator scott brown, now he's exploring running in new hampshire for a senate seat. he went to the republican luncheon. listen to the democratic leader welcoming scott brown back to the hill. >> i'm sure you've all heard this before, but the senator said last week in the caucus,

that the constitution guarantees every state two senators, but the constitution does not guarantee every senator two states. >> leader reid there trying to put the carpet banger on scott brown. >> i don't think that -- obviously the carpet bagger is the charge they can make. why does he get under their skin? i don't know. he's good at putting himself in front of a camera. he didn't do such a good job out of the gates. i mean, as you know, i'm not sure how much this sticks. new hampshire in some ways is almost like an extension of massachusetts. he's had a home in there for a while. i don't know how much that's going to stick in the end. >> he hasn't completely said he's running yet. he says he's exploring right now. back to new york.

i just want to remind you guys. i know you were celebrating with me the red sox being at the white house. if you got a chance to be next to the president, would you take a selfie? >> oh yeah, i tried to the last time. three men with ear pieces attacked me. they treated me like you did, john. he said i'm going to throw you over the balcony, john said, it would look like this and he threw me over his shoulder. >> proof john king is stronger than chris cuomo. >> no, no, i didn't say that. >> i think there's always time for a good selfie. if he's game, it's pretty priceless. >> i'm glad we had to have the pictures. red sox nation. >> we're going to take another break. coming up next on "new day," still no verified wreckage of flight 370 in the vast south

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welcome back to "new day." the search for flight 370 has taught us a lot about technology in place right now. more importantly, what didn't seem to be working on the plane and around it. all the support systems. hasn't happened yet. we even had a u.s. naval base in the area supposedly renowned for its capabilities. it didn't pick up the plane. here to walk through how this plane could have disappeared is the former advisor to the u.s. ministry of defense. thank you for being here. let's retrace the steps and you can help us understand how this is able to happen and not be picked up which is kind of the riddle of this situation. >> yeah. absolutely. >> we know with the first marker here this is where the plane made what we believe is the

ill-fated turn. >> we've got to look at what we know. we know the acars went out of. we know the communication saying, all right good night. the transponder was turned off. it's vital. it gives position. it gives squawk, 2157. we know from yesterday what the transcript said and we know it was at flight level three-five-zero. this is unequivocal data but it's the last we have. we know that they were told to go to 120.9. they didn't go. what were the emergency protoco protocols. there was a distress cell. it has a radio to get in touch with the cockpit and talk to other aircraft in the corridors. what conversations went on with military radar?

why weren't they spiked to look for something? >> could it be that none of it happened? >> it could be none of it happened. when the aircraft tracked west, it went down to 12,000 feet and took a left-hand turn. >> as it makes this turn left to here -- >> absolutely. westbound. westbound. >> and then that gets picked up how? >> then we go back to the inmarsat analysis. what these guys have done is clever. they've never had to do this before. as we know, they came up with a southern arc and northern arc. speed equals distance over time type data. the clever bit is how they looked at the doppler shift and correlated it with the southern versus the northern. they looked at other tracks on aircraft in the northern corridor and went, doesn't match those, matches tracks of aircraft in the southern.

what we need to do is corroborate that evidence. as we know, the search has been going on in the south for a long time now. >> why is that? because it got picked up by something as it started to move south, right? >> they looked at the corelation mapping and it matched that. that's why they've said it has gone south. there are assumptions now on how far south it actually traveled. we've seen it's kind of moving north wards. but what was the fuel load, what was the altitude, what was the speed, did it dump fuel. we don't know. this is why we're having so many problems tracking the aircraft. >> why so many unknowns. i may be standing on it. diego garcia is just one element here. it's supposed to be so powerful. yes, it's supposed to be looking up into space. but the plane basically goes

right near it. nobody sees it. all of what i've been calling these snoopy sovereigns. india doesn't see anything. indonesia here sees nothing. how did all of these places not pick up this big jet? >> it's the million-dollar question. those questions you're can go asking are the questions that are still unknown. >> what is the possibility that they're just not saying it? >> you rightly pointed out there's a huge radar station here. why hasn't that picked anything up? as it tracked south, diego garcia, there are limits. at 200 miles, it will drop off. it wasn't looking for it. it looks for intercontinental

missiles. so all the unknown questions as we see this search area tracking back up north and becoming more and more frustrating. we need to keep prodding the authorities to get those answers. >> important for two reasons. one, it would be great to know if there is other information. because if there isn't extra information, they're working off very little data. >> what we need to do is corroborate why we are looking in the south and eliminate data as to why we shouldn't be looking in the north. if we can keep progressing through the investigation using that concept, then i think the authorities and the families will be content that this investigation is thorough and it's going in the right direction. at the moment, there are still people asking the question, why didn't it go north. i can't say it didn't through the analysis we got. >> thank you. very helpful.

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welcome back to "new day." search crews will once again begin the difficult work of sifting through the devastating landslide in washington state. the death toll has risen to 28. the number of people still missing is 20. the desperate search through the muck and the mud nearly 80 feet deep in some places has now been

handicapped by toxic and treacherous conditions. cnn's anna cabrera has more. >> reporter: this is ground zero of the washington landslide. our first look at the destruction up close. debris piled up to 80 feet high in some spots. tires, twisted cables, large appliances and uprooted trees. the only decipherable objects in the mangled mess. images don't fully capture the devastation. this neighborhood was mutilated by the enormous force and power of land and water that ripped through this valley. >> our family's just gotten bigger. we've kind of adopted the town of oso, maybe they've adopted us. >> reporter: a week and a half after the disaster the driving force for workers remains finding victims. nearly two dozen people are still missing. will you be able to find all the victims? >> we'll try. >> reporter: it's full of a group of toxic sludge, human

waste, propane tanks, oil and gas making the search effort extremely dangerous. every person, animal and thing that comes out of here has to be decontaminated. workers are forced to wait for some areas to dry out before investigating. pumps have helped to clear some of the water where search dogs have picked up human scent. all of this heavy equipment is helping to clear the debris off the road to provide more access for rescuers but the debris is remaining put until hand crews can come out and pull belongings for family members who lost everything. two american flags fly among the men and women working here, one recovered from the debris hangs in reverence for lives lost, another flag at half staff on a lone tree left standing in the slide zone. a source of strength and a symbol of hope for better days ahead. anna cabrera, cnn, arlington, washington. we will stay on the story

out there because as we keep telling you, the need is great. we're going to take a break right now on "new day." when we come back, investigators have not ruled out foul play in the search for flight 370, but why? a high tech search and criminal investigation intersecting. is this about what is known or simply guessing at what is unknown? we're also following the latest out of chile. a powerful 8.2 magnitude earthquake hit overnight. we'll take you live to santiago, chile. at your ford dealer think? they think about tires. and what they've been through lately. polar vortexes, road construction, and gaping potholes. so with all that behind you,

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we expect about another 8.8, 8.9 earthquake here sometime in the future. >> breaking overnight, a massive earthquake rocks chile. thousands fleeing to safety. a tsunami warning stretching to hawaii. and new questions, is the big one coming. also breaking overnight, we may never know. malaysian investigators now acknowledging they may never find flight 370 or what caused it to vanish. happening today, gm's ceo set for another tough round of

questions. it time in the hot seat for the senate. is her apology enough? your "new day" continues your "new day" continues right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good morning. welcome back to "new day," everyone. it is wednesday, april 2nd. we'll begin with the mass evacuations underway right now in chile after a devastating 8.2 magnitude earthquake hit last night off the country's northern coast. there are reports of widespread damage and also tsunami waves of up to seven feet high crashing into coast technical areas. let's get over to cnn's rafael romo who has been tracking the latest developments. what more are we learning, rafael? >> reporter: katie, it was an hour ago that about 900,000 people have to be evacuated, this as authorities were waiting for daylight to learn the extent of the damage caused by the

earthquake. sirens blairing, people running into the streets as a powerful 8.2 magnitude earthquake hits off the coast of northern chile causing landslides, power outages, and triggering tsunami watch and warnings. watch the moment of impact as the shelves in this pharmacy rattled, items crashing to the ground, the initial jolt sending shoppers and employees to the door. the massive quake proving deadly and forcing officials to evacuate the nation's entire coast line. tsunami waves approached according to chile's interior minister. they say 300 prisoners escaped the immediate aftermath of the quake putting police on high alert. in a news conference chile's president warning that officials would not know the full extent of damage until inspectors are able to assess during daylight hours though initial reports

show chile might have dodged a major catastrophe. >> the key point here is this 8.2 is not the large earthquake we were expecting. we're expecting a potentially larger earthquake. >> reporter: an update on the 300 women escapees from the prison, they're telling us only 39 have escaped. now the president is traveling overnight. she's dispatched the military and national police to help people there. back to you. >> they're going to need all hands on deck to be sure. rafael, thank you very much. the 8.2 magnitude earthquake comes just five days after this 5.1 magnitude quake that rocked los angeles. that has a lot of people asking if there's a possible link between the seismic events and could it suggest something about what could happen going forward? put those questions to our meteorologist. do you have answers? >> the most important thing is

these are the most sies mow logically active places in the world but nonetheless they lie on two separate plates. the nafta plate in south america and the completely different plate by southern california. we want to look at how active it's been in south america. just there in this region in chile, they've had five quakes over 5.0 including a 7.0. the only thing they have common is they're both on this ring of fire, the sies mow logically active region in the world. let's talk about what we know about this kwiek. depth 12.5 miles. keep in mind it was close to the coast line. then became the concern of course since it was in the water with the tsunami. they did see wave heights up to almost seven feet. tsunamis, you talk about a bull's eye with the water expanding outward. we're seeing the energy cruising towards the pacific.

we're watching the tsunami waves progressing towards even hawaii. right now currently just a few hours away. that threat is still there. not as strong but nonetheless we have a tsunami advisory for the hawaiian islands. that means the tsunami waves are imminent. not over yet. >> let's turn now to the search for flight 370. overnight a stunning confirmation from malaysia's police chief. he told reporters the search is a criminal investigation and also acknowledged that hijacking, sabotage and psychological issues have been the focus of their investigation for weeks. and new this morning, cnn has learned malaysia airlines has tightened cockpit security as another day of searching ends off the coast of australia. let's get to jim clancy who is live in kuala lumpur for us yet again this morning. jim? >> reporter: we didn't have a press briefing today on what the investigation may have produced, but the inspector general who's

in charge of the probe did talk with reporters and tried to outline to them some of the things that they've been looking at noting that it's been a criminal investigation sings march the 16th. he said, as you noted there, all of the passengers have been cleared of any involvement in the four areas that he said mattered, sabotage, terrorism, psychological problems as well as personal or financial problems. there is a step forward perhaps. he said it has been a thorough investigation. they're going every way possible. they even investigated -- there was a shipment of thousands of mangastein fruit aboard that flight. he went to the people who picked it. they're checking everybody who packed it, put it a board the plane. even the people who were receiving it in beijing and how much they were going to pay for it. by way of illustrating how thorough, they were checking often the people who prepared the food. he didn't say that they were specifically looking at food poisoning though as a possibility here. the bottom line is though that he says they may never solve it,

at least on their end on the ground as they try to look at motives, as they try to look at the people that might be involved. they do need the information from the flight data recorders to unravel what happened inside the dock pit to that in the prime minister of course of malaysia is in australia today thanking those people that have been working around the clock on the search teams trying to locate the plane. back to you, kate. >> all right, jim. i'll take it. you know the force, the pressure to come up with answers is pushing investigators to go down more roads. the question is what should they disclose, what should they not. for more analysis on this we'll bring in aviation analysis, miles o'brien. science correspondent for pbs news hour. fran thomas, former aide to president bush. calling this a criminal investigation, saying that there's certain things they

can't disclose does seem to suggest especially to families that more is known. fran, do you believe that that's the context for the statement at this point or are they just basically going on what is their process? >> well, you know, chris, we've gotten so much bad information out of the malaysians, we can debate whether that's intentional or not, right? there's been so much bad information i think we're all rightly skeptical of what they're saying presumably. here in the united states if we made that statement there was a criminal investigation you wouldn't say why what the facts were behind that but there would be facts. you can be confident if the u.s. government said there was a criminal investigation, there was a reason for that. i think when you look at what their statement is, that it's a criminal investigation. they say they've cleared the passengers, right? what's obviously missing is the pilots and the crew. they've cleared the passengers and we know about this release of this policy about not leaving

anyone alone in the cockpit. we know that. when you take those things together, what you're -- what you can surmise from that, that's what it is, it is surmise, there must be some sort of information in the investigation that's led them to have criminal concerns over pilots and crew. >> or they're pretending to be productive because there's so much pressure on them. miles, let me come to you. one thing i've never heard is someone who's investigating something of a criminal nature say we may never know what happened here. i don't think i've ever heard an investigator say that. it's always about when they'll figure things out. do you think this is a situation where unless it has to do with third parties, something that you can discover that isn't on board that plane itself, you will not know anything until you find the recording devices and other evidence. fair point? >> i think that's a fair point. we probably should give the malaysians a little bit of

credit for the candor when they said that. we don't get much candor. to the point of do they know more? i hope they know more. they haven't shared much with us, have they? >> no. the question is why. we have david soucie as one of our experts. if it's a criminal investigation, you don't reveal it. everybody respects that. we've all dealt with it. fran's been on the side of not revealing the information. we all know that is proper because you don't want to spoil anything going forward, but the question then becomes is that really what's going on here? i mean -- and one of the reasons i ask, fran, is this. you worked on the government side. people like to brag about what they know especially when they're in multi-national situations, okay? we've heard nothing from any terrorist organizations. all they like to do is talk trash about what they were able to pull off. no sovereigns are stepping up saying, we know more, we know more. we have the fbi who's looked

into the passenger manifest. they say they see no flags. they've looked into the pilots. they say, we have nothing. that has to mean something. >> it does. but i do think because you've seen -- you know, early on there was misinformation released, there was conflicting information from other governments. it seems like at least what we would have done when i was in government, you would have tacked this down. you would have said nothing good is coming out of leaks of information, misinformation. i also think what you find is because of kind of how this has unfolded, the governments are reluctant to share their most sensitive information with one another. the only thing that suffers is the overall investigation. >> that is an important point. i have diego zbar sgarcia on th brain. miles, if you look back there's so much talk why diego garcia needs the resources it gets. it started as a logistics base but now has tremendous

surveillance capabilities. this plane, if you understand the assumptions and believe the assumptions, basically did like a fly by over diego garcia and they didn't see it. we had a military man come on, michael kay, and he says, well, it's only pointing up, it's not really looking for this kind of radar thing. is that a fair explanation of how it missed? instead of not giving out word of what the u.s. may have detected? >> there are a lot of reasons that they didn't see it and there's a reasonable explanation of why they did. you get into the air afterexplaining to the world where your weaknesses might be and where your strengths might be with your defenses. couple that with the nation's suspicions of each other in the region and then underneath all of that, an apparent lack of expertise and credibility to the investigation and what you have is a big mess. >> it does seem a little suspicious though that you have

people offering assets. the u.s. has had ships out there. had the pinger locator. there's not a lot of manpower out there. if this plane goes past india which is totally paranoid about what happened, they see nothing, it goes past indonesia, you have the banda achi outpost there. diego garcia, nothing. it just seems odd in this age of technological surveillance that we know everything about everybody and yet this huge steel jumbo jet goes by. >> yeah, it's very odd, chris. like miles, i'm suspicious that it may be the governments who may have information are not making it public. look, when i was in government, as you point out, we wouldn't have revealed all that we knew until we could make sense of it. what you do is you make the information that you've got public once you have resolved the questions you have about it and you've done a complete

investigation. i think we have to try and withhold some judgment because it may be that they've not yet revealed all that they know. >> i'll tell you, miles and fran, i did have a source who works on the defense side who said to me, if the u.s. had definitive information that had he had tracked this, they'd want it out there. they'd want bad guys to know don't think you'll be able to get something past this. we saw where it is but we don't know it. they'd want to brag on that. the questions have to be asked because it's not about speculation, it's about testing the understanding. this one doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense. miles o'brien, thank you very much. fran, thank you. especially you because you're a double agent. always good to have you. kate? coming up next on "new day," more on the search for flight 370. search teams shift their focus closer to the coast. our expert will be walking us through the tactics and the continued challenges for searching for this wreckage in the water. also ahead, the investigation intensifies into

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long delay. 2.6 million vehicles have now been recalled because of it and 13 lives, the company says, have been lost. cnn's poppy harlow is on capitol hill with much more. round one. what are we expecting in the senate today, poppy? >> reporter: another tough round of questions. less than three months into her job as ceo of general motors, mary barra is facing her toughest fight yet but, you know, apologies, we're investigating, many families say that is not enough. >> she would have been alive today. >> reporter: families in pain demanding answers. >> i close my eyes and think about how he died and it's not fair. >> reporter: like sherry sharkey who blames a faulty general motors ignition switch for the death of her 21-year-old son michael in 2012 when his chevy cobalt veered into a rock wall.

gm admits 13 deaths and 31 accidents are related to the defective switch which can turn off when bumped cutting off the airbags, brakes, and power steering. >> who knew what when? ms. barra, that includes you. >> reporter: lawmakers grilling gm ceo mary barra following a recall of 2.6 million vehicles tied to the problem. >> as soon as i learned about the problem, we acted without hesitation. >> reporter: gm now admits it knew about the defect in 2004. she doesn't know why it took a decade to act but vowed to find out. her answers lack detail. >> we are doing an investigation that spans over a decade. again, that's part of the investigation. >> reporter: lawmakers pushed back. >> what you answered is gobbledygook. it's your own speculation. >> reporter: a house report

shows one possible reason is because according to gm documents, quote, tooling costs and piece price are too high. do you believe from what you know now that the financial state of gm back then was a contributing factor? >> we've hired people to do a complete investigation. we'll learn from that. we are definitely moving to a culture that is focused on the consumer. >> reporter: before testifying barra personally apologized to those who lost loved ones in crashes involving recalled cars. >> i'm fighting for my family and i'm fighting for my son. >> reporter: now the head of nhtsa, which is the agency tasked with protecting drivers, regulating car safety, is also on the hot seat. they're testifying in these hearings. the question is are they culpable? did that agency drop the ball and not thoroughly investigate general motors over this decade-long period? and also chris and kate, what i think is very important is will general motors accept liability? because the company went bankrupt in 2009 they actually technically don't have to accept

any financial or sort of civil liability for anything that happened in the old gm pre-2009. whether they will or not is a key question that she was asked yesterday, the head of gm, and she would be asked, i would bet, again today because that has to do with victim compensation in all of this. and i think that's a big part of this. >> she seemed to open the door to the possibility. >> reporter: she did. >> definitely didn't commit to it. that will continue to be an important question obviously for families. poppy, thanks so much. >> reporter: sure. >> it may be done for her. if federal prosecutors are looking into this find that how they did this broke a law, then bankruptcy is no longer a protection. >> then it's not civil. >> that's right. let's take a break here on "new day." when we come back, search teams are looking for flight 370. right now they're shifting focus closer to the coast. why? is it going to make their chances any better? could it even make them worse? one of the men who searched for air france 447 is going to show us what they're up against.

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a deadly 8.2 magnitude earthquake triggering landslides and fires. six are dead. hundreds of thousands forced to evacuate along the coast line. malaysian police say the search for flight 370 is now classified a criminal investigation. malaysian officials met with passenger families today. the airline has stepped up cockpit security in the wake of this ongoing mystery. more testimony on capitol hill from general motors ceo mary barra who apologized yesterday for gm's ten-year delay for the investigation into the faulty ignition switches. 20 people remain missing from the deadly mudslides and 28 dead. president obama returns to one of his top economic priorities today, raising the minimum wage. he'll renew his carle ll to cons for $10.10 an hour. go to new day.cnn for more.

this morning the mystery of flight 370 has shifted further to the east for a new area that had not yet been searched. they're calling it an adjoining search area. they're looking closer to the coast of australia. scientists had to deal with similar problems when it came to the nearly two-year search for air france's flight 447 which crashed into the atlantic ocean in 2009 and was finally recovered back in 2011. let's discuss this search effort with dave gall low. he was the co-leader for the search for air france flight 447. great to see you. >> kate, nice to see you. >> how you go about the search i think is one of the most important things when you're dealing with the missing plane like this. >> sure. >> from the air and from below the surface as well. let's walk through this a little bit. so the search area is in red. the way they've described it is from the air it's called mowing

the lawn. >> right. >> you can kind of see how it's working the grid. how does this all fit together? why is that an effective strategy from the air and why does that fit with the search under the surface? >> you don't want to miss anything. the last thing you want to do is be in a place, look there and say there's nothing there and have it be there. the best thing to do is when you lose your keys at home or television remote, you start lifting up pillows in the couch and that's not the way to do it at sea. everything is moving always. it's got to be very organized, especially when you have multiple ships and airplanes out there. >> especially when you say these objects are moving all the time. >> always. always. >> it does make me wonder, once one area, one grid is combed over from the air and if you're looking under the surface as well, do you rule it out? do you just move on? >> i think in some cases they say we don't see anything here, let's move on, but you have to know which way the packets of water are moving. >> correct me if i'm wrong, they searched some areas twice in air france? >> yeah, on the surface and

underwater. when we moved underwater, we looked at every spot on the sea floor twice to be sure there was nothing there. >> the key there they were dealing with a much smaller area than we're talking about now. >> yes. >> and let's talk about, as we said, these parts, this debris is moving at all times. let's bring up our next animation. you see the current there. those yellow dots are just an example, a representation of how debris could move. this is a huge challenge. how do you account for this? >> well, it's a complicated area. if you move further south, it's just crazy with wind and weather, the roaring 40s and further down even more crazy. this is a little bit less intense but still in a way it's fairly stormy, about as predictable as any weather. it's a little bit better here than further south. >> is it simply math. is it simply knowing the currents, where you would expect debris to move? >> it's part of oceanography. the people that are dedicated to

studying the wind, the waves, currents, tides, all of that. it's complicated, heavy math, but we're getting better and better at it. >> the u.k. has announced they've moved one of their submarine into the area. many countries pride themselves on keeping the movements of their submarines secret. we can't assume that's the only submarine in the area. is that the way the search needs to go, moving those assets in? >> anything you can bring to bear, any clue that might give us an edge to have some idea where it may have ended up is important. the sub, you never know until they give the shot. >> that's the problem. we don't know. the area is so huge. let's show the comparison one more time. i think this is one of the more important things for the viewers to understand. the red box is the search area. that little yellow piece is the search area that was for the air france flight. today's search area, 370, is some 85,000 square miles.

that's 17 times the search area for air france. >> that little dot was thought to be unsearchable. so big back when we did air force 447, people said we would never find the aircraft in that dot. this is an immense undertaking. >> this new search area, this adjoining search area, let's talk about this grid, is more northeast and closer to the coast of australia? >> yes. >> how does the ocean change? how do the conditions ching? >> there's going to be some change, but from where they've shifted it, i don't think it's going to be that perfect septemberible. it will make a little bit of difference. the sea floor will be a little bit deeper, the closer we get to the continent. >> does it surprise you that they're shifting that search area in that direction? does it indicate anything to you? >> no, because if you're sure that you haven't seen anything, then you're done with that area, best to move onto the next place because, again, everything is moving. have a look and see what's in that next spot. >> unfortunately you have to cross your fingers that you come

upon something. >> we need a break. it's time for a little bit of luck and be a lot of prayer. we need a break in this case. we have to find that plane. >> absolutely right. two years later and air france we hope it does not take that long for flight 370. >> let's take a break on "new day." when we come back, the death toll is rising from the devastating earthquake off k4i8 l chile. why does it have experts furrowing their brows. we'll break it down with a sies moll low gist when we come back. it makes you indestructible, like a superhero. i'd love to be a superhero. it's so you can come back to life...i think. [ male announcer ] there's a lot of confusion about life insurance. get simple answers from a state farm agent. backed by the life insurance company millions of moms and dads already trust. it gives my dad a piece of his mind. [ male announcer ] we put the life back in life insurance. it gives my dad a piece of his mind. hey there, i just got my bill,

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an 8.2 magnitude earthquake forcing nearly 1 million people to evacuate their neighborhoods in chile. the death toll stands at 6 as we get reports of fires, landslides and collapsed buildings. want to bring in dr. kate hutton, a seismologist at cal tech. she joins us bright and early in pasadena. i was going to apologize for the early hour but i suppose an 8.2 earthquake will get a seismologist out of bed. >> probably, yes. >> let's talk about this. we heard one of your colleagues talk about even though this wasle -- was 8.2, a larger one was expected here. >> the whole coast of south america was expected. in 1960 there was a 9.5.

that was in the southern end of chile. and this area has had a number of earthquakes in the magnitude 8s, even up to 8.8 in the northern part of chile. so we're not too surprised to see this. >> this is in this area that we have heard talk about this so-called ring of fire, these plates are very -- they're very active in the area, is that what's happening? >> well, the whole rim of the pacific up south america across alaska, japan and down to the south seas is an area where the two fastest moving tectonic plates, the pacific plate and the nazca plate are active. the faster the plate moves, the more earthquakes you have and the bigger earthquakes you have. this was definitely in the ring of fire. >> so let's talk about the fact that this is a situation that potentially could have been much more catastrophic.

was the fact that it was off shore, we know that this earthquake, the epicenter was off shore. is that what saved it from being far more devastating in terms of the lives lost and the destruction to the land? we're still getting word of that right now. >> well, being off shore means that no one's sitting right on top of it so the shaking could have been worse than it was, but on the other hand, a quake under the ocean floor can cause a tsunami and this one did cause a six or eight foot tsunami. so it's sort of a tradeoff, and i think it's -- the tsunami was as small as it was because the quake was only 8.2. >> now we understand, and let me play ignorant here for a second. there's a lot of -- been a lot of reports of seismic activity in the california area recently, and i think a lot of people at home are saying, what is going on down there? what is going on below the ground. we saw the 5.1 on friday in los angeles, we saw that one in wyoming, the first one in 34

years. is there anything related in all of this earth shaking and earth movement? >> well, actually, probably not because the most obvious thing when we look at the statistics of earthquake is the randomness and, you know, if you sit there and throw coins all day you may get four or five heads in a row every once in a while and it's likely -- it's more likely than not that that's the explanation, just statistics, but we're looking at it, you know, just to see if we can see anything that would imply a physical connection. but it's just too far between here and south america. one earthquake cannot influence another one over that time period or that distance. >> you know, it's so funny because i think most of us, we humans want answers always right away. i'm sure we look to you seismologists and say how can we prepare? how can we get some sort of early warning system to advise

us? where do we stand on that? i know the prep work we can do individually, we can prepare ourselves, but what can we do more as humans to prepare ourselves for the fact that this kind of thing is coming? is there any way to pre-warn? >> well, we are working on early warning system which if the quake -- if you're not sitting right on top of the quake then our seismic network will get notification -- will see the seismic waves before they get to you and if we could get out a warning quickly enough, and it seems like we can beyond a certain small radius, then we could give a few seconds warning which could get people under desks, could get -- you know, you could stop elevators at floors and slow down high speed trains and all of these things that would save lives. another aspect is, you know, beyond a personal preparedness, we need to be willing to support retrofitting old structures and

so forth. >> sure. >> because our building codes, and i'm sure this is true in south america also, have gotten better over time and the old buildings are not up to current code. >> dr. kate hutton joining us from pasadena bright and early there. thank you for walking through the recent seismic activity. we are assessing what has all gone on there in the light of day. they'll if i can out how bad it was. initial reports show it avoided being as devastating as it potentially could have been. >> time now for this week's human factor. the stress of managing a human ailment is difficult. for a teen it can be lonely. we want to introduce you to a young man who took to writing to cope with a rare diagnosis. cnn's medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta has the story. >> reporter: for schuyler eversol, high school started normally but his luck took a turn to the worse. >> i had severe dizziness.

i couldn't walk or see straight for days at a time. >> reporter: at first he checked it up to stress but ebersol quickly realized something was wrong. >> no one knew what was wrong with me. there were whole sorts of hypotheses. >> reporter: home from school, he desperately needed an escape, and he found it in writing. >> i just started writing, and i would get lost in this world. i identified with this character. it was just a way to keep me going while everything else in my life wasn't so great. >> reporter: then after several months they found the cause of his symptoms, a rare form of lyme disease. at the same time his scattered pages started to gel into a book. >> the book is called the hidden world. it's about a main character who has a heart attack, he slips into a coma, and when he wakes up he turns into a wolf in the hospital room. >> reporter: it was published last december. with more in the works. ebersol says through it all writing saved his life. >> you really just have to find

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someone who has it all, right? well, arianna huffington disagrees and says it here in her book "thrive." we need to redefine success and change our connectivity to make ourselves more productivity, healthy and complete. editor in chief of the "huffington post", author of "thrive." it's great to have you with us. >> it's great to be here. >> it is a provocative book. it plays against what we all hold out as the main thrust of what we want to be, work, work, work. keep pushing. keep focused, be pressure oriented on it. that's how you get there. most interesting to me, this book is not about a concept, it's about an experience you had in your own life that became revelatory. tell us about it. >> exactly. april 6th, 2007, i collapsed from exhaustion, burnout, sleep deprivation. i hit my head on my desk on the way down, broke my cheek bone, got four stitches in my right

eye. then as i was going from doctor to doctor, for mri, echocardiogram, we discovered that what was wrong with me was the way i was living my life. that's when i started thinking, is this success? by definition it was successful but by definition of success, if you are lying in a pool of blood on the floor of your office, you are not successful. i've been talking to so many people who are completely burned out. i was on book tour and women, especially women for some reason, maybe because they're more willing to be open about it, they're coming up to me saying, i don't remember the last time i was not tired. so we need to change that and redefine success by including what i'm proposing. first of all, our well-being, then our wisdom. you know, when we're burned out we make bad decisions like bill clinton says the worst decisions i made were when i was tired.

>> he didn't say late at night? >> he didn't say when or how. bringing joy into our life. loving what you are doing here, giving, focus on people and ourselves, not just being narcissistic but giving to others. >> how do you do it? the concept is admirable. we could -- we all strive to get enough sleep, to feel more rested. clearly not many of us are succeeding at it. how do you propose we actually pull it off? >> so, first of all, please, i'm pulling it up. >> "new day" cup. >> it's hard for me to pull up because i'm busy reading it. i need to know everything in here. >> he's so tired. >> yes! >> so, anyway, you are asking the key question. how do we move from agreeing that this is the right thing to actually doing it? that's why the book is full of little tips, small, microscopic little steps. at the end of each of the four

sections there are three steps. a total of 12 steps by coincidence. remember, after well-being, the first simple step is get 30 minutes more sleep a night than you are getting now unless you're michaela who gets her full eight hours. >> i don't have children, a husband, a pet, i don't have any of those things. >> which is unusual because you know what you hear people bragging about is how little -- >> especially men. men wear sleep deprivation like a symbol. i had a guy who bragged he had only gotten four hours sleep. i said, you know what, if you had gotten five, this dinner would have been moring. >> can i ask about that differentiation because i think there is this interesting thing. kate and i can relate to a lot of this. we're women in a mostly male dominated world one might argue. >> two against one here in general. >> we've skewed the numbers. >> we've won this war. >> one battle. one battle down. >> that's why i can't sleep at

night. >> we're hearing all of these messages to women. you can do it all. you can't do it all. you need to lean in, you need to lean out. we're being told be a woman in a man's world or do you have to act like a man in a man's world. all of these messages get confounding. >> what i'm saying is women need to change the world in which we are participating, that the way men have designed it is not working. it's not working for women, for men, for polar bears. another step that i was delighted to find out that chris is already participating in is learning to meditate. just five minutes a day is a great beginning. chris already did it. he meditates. he takes naps. you see, i think we need to talk about that. >> sometimes they become the same. >> no problem. >> there's a good tip on page 171. >> resentment is like drinking poison and waiting for the other person to die. note to sellf.

note to self. >> or note to us. >> it says here on page 125, you should praise the person to your left. and on page 127 it says praise the person to your right. >> i'm still at the beginning of my 12-step process. i'll get to that. >> arianna, this is pay bible. >> when you look at the important tips, i love the concept. some folks are going to watch this and say, arianna huffington is the picture of success. >> yes. >> this might work for someone who has quote, unquote, made it. for someone who may be starting off in their career, how does this work for them? because our culture does not pride itself on saying, yes, you can get more sleep. yes, you don't need to look at your blackberry anymore. yes, you can take time for yourself. >> but it's changing. now 35% of american companies have introduced stress reduction practices. at the "huffington post" we have two nap rooms, for example. increasingly people have rooms which say after work you are no longer expected to answer work

e-mail. we take better care of our smart phones than we take of ourselves. >> that is a very good point. >> 20% are remaining. 15% battery remaining and we rush to our little recharging shrines to charge them up. we are often completely unaware of when we are running out of battery and feeling collapsed in some form or another. and i think your question about whether you're starting in your career, i can say unequivocally that if i knew then what i know now, i would have been more effective, less stressed out, less worried. all the worries that we have, all our negative fantasies about things that never happen, we can prevent all that when we are recharged and not operating on burnout. >> sometimes people who have achieved success have something to share with other people who are on their way up. i think that's why it makes sense that you wrote this book, and i think that one of the central messages in it is one of the things we need to start to

do is start to define success more for ourselves. >> instead of letting other people? >> yes. >> i know it's not easy but happiness is a process. that's the way you start getting through it is by starting to answer your own questions. this is very well done. of course, well written. we expect nothing else. >> 14 books in. she has a message to tell. >> i was saying thrive. i thought it was called thrive. turns out it was thrive. >> let's have one more. arianna, lift the cup, chris cuomo, list the book. >> the show is "new day." >> the show is "new day" and if you want it, you will be more successful. it says it on page 116. >> it is. >> you will learn to meditate and sleep like michaela. >> i'm sure the most baffling part about this interview is that the viewers learned chris meditates. >> and that michaela gets eight

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right here. remember i said that, a biker and a pastor in texas who was in very rough shape, james murphy needed a heart. the situation was so bad he prepared his own funeral. that's when things looked up. he reached a donor heart. the heart belonged to 32-year-old ricky mada. he had suddenly died of a brain injury. when ricky's sister was getting married, who did she think about to officiate the wedding. that's right, the man carrying her brother's heart. remember, he's a pastor. that is the good stuff. somebody had the foresight to donate the organ if anything ever happened even though they were young. the worst occurred and it wound up being the best for somebody else. which is one of the hopes that many have when they're victimized and their families, this man had a heart and he officiated the wedding. >> paying it forward in so many ways. >> gets you right here. >> families are forever. very well said. there is a lot of news this

morning. for that we take you to ms. carol costello who is all heart. >> i love these compliments when you throw them to my show, chris. i'll take them. thanks so much. have a great day. have a great day. "newsroom" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com breaking overnight. new cockpit security rules. >> 59.7, 210. >> cnn learning about strict new guidelines. malaysia airlines issuing internal memos to its employees as investigators refocus their attention on the flight crews. u.s. defense secretary chuck hagel. >> we're going to go back and walk through this. >> in hawaii and talking to cnn about the search. >> what could have been done, maybe what should have been done, what needs to be done better. >> as australian s