hudson. >> that was during the day on flat open water. this was at night. this airplane would have come down and probably broken into many parts. >> we will continue tomorrow. that's it for me. 5:00 p.m. and a special two-hour edition of the situation room. newsroom starts right now. >> hello, everyone. filling in for brooke baldwin. first up after days searching on the indian ocean on the wreckage of flight 370, the search has been moved. like last time, this is not because of data analysis, this is because they say this area has been scoured to the point that no new objects are being cited. no sign of the plane there, searchers are turning the focus to an adjoining area to the east. is this premature? as to the investigation, we have confirmation that all 227 passengers have been cleared of

any sinister role in the plane's disappearancing. admitting that this is deemed a criminal investigation since march 16th. the same day the plane realized it was deliberately flown off course. they are focussed on four specific area, hijacking, sabotage, personal issues and psychological issues. >> it is a criminal investigation. that's why i want to share with you. >> by the rest, he means the flight crew. that is still continuing. we mean they are still questioning anybody who knew the pilots and the crew. i will go live to will ripley in perth, australia. what do you know about the new search area and why they decided to move it.

does it have anything to do with the currents, for example? >> we know the area is further east so closer to the australian coastline and less than 1,000 miles now. we know there possibly been new objects spotted in this area and as you mentioned, they scoured the old area and haven't found anything. this is an effort to continue utilizing the assets in place in the most effective way. planes in the area with 100 people on board. we have 1,000 sailors and the ocean shield is due to arrive possibly later today. we have the british submarine in place. all of this technology and people and planes and yet for days now, nothing. >> the submarine that you are talking about, that can detect pings and they can emit sounds of two nautical miles. are they saying they should have been brought in earlier or does it go to the point of no search

area. how do you know where to listen some. >> that's the real question. where do you start looking? when you have a large search area, if are this to work effectively, it needs to be reduced by 100 times, 100 times smaller than it is right now. the malaysian prime minister is here in perth tonight and later today he is going to be here at the pierce air base meeting with the personnel here and he has a meeting with tony abbott. this is the first time they will be with each other face-to-face. they will be talking about the search operation, trying to figure out where we go from here and maybe getting more clarity on what will happen to the debris if and when it is recovered when it is brought here. >> will ripley for us, thanks andy woo will check in on it later. focus on controversial announcements on flight 370 investigation. an official said it has been a criminal probe since march 16th. malaysia did not mention criminal or suspicious evidence about anyone on board the plane.

you may ask, how can an investigation be declared criminal if you don't have evidence. yoiping me to discuss with the airman and colonel in the royal air force. usually they start with the worst possible scenario and work backwards. they have to rule out that it's not criminal before they find malfunction. is that ak raiccurate? >> police investigate criminal activities. notice he said this is a criminal investigation. he didn't say the whole thing is a criminal investigation. he is saying that from the police's point of view, they are looking at it from a criminal point of view. the investigation itself, that is still concern with what happened, where is the plane and what happened. >> adding a lot more layers on some levels of confusion again.

everybody makes the point that they entered a new programming code and it could have been that the pilot was trying to save the plane and bring it back to land. not criminal, but absent of evidence, it's suspicious. >> here it's that we need to keep looking at all the facts and keeping an open mind. we don't need to jump to the end where it could be sabotage and hijack. we can't take those off the table because we don't have enough evidence. we need to keep an open mind and keep building the puzzle. that's all we have got. >> the pieces of the puzzle, those that have been put on the table do now lend credence to starting a criminal investigation. that is why you are looking at me suspiciously. go ahead.

>> as more pieces of the jigsaw get put on the table, so the picture starts to be ever clearer. at the moment, it does start to move towards the fact. we know he did something deliberate and the plane was turned and all these things, but we don't know who and how and we don't know why. >> exactly. intent. motivation. we haven't spent a lot of time taking time about that. more years ago now, i think it's three or four years, the cartridge bomb. were all the packages both commercial and suitcases x-rayed and doesn't that have to be cleared in terms of who was sending what and where it was going? >> i think again we are jumping to this sort of sinister conclusion that it could be explosive or inflammable. i have friend who is fly for major airlines.

that's a substantial amount of cash. if someone knows that the airline on that day and flight has that, there could be a motive there. the whole piece is important. identifying what's in the hold is important. it doesn't lend itself to an explosive. >> will all the baggages have been check and cleared? >> if it was not checked, the procedures were not followed. malaysia was an international flight from kl to beijing. the regulation said all the bags have to be scanned. the cargo tends to be scanned in a different way. there will be a manifest for the cargo and we have been told by the airline that there was nothing in the cargo. >> we have to zone back into

where was the may day call and the emergency on the transponder. if it lended itself to a structural failure. they leaked that and maybe knocked the passengers unconscious. mangostein and tropical medicinal fruit and whether they had something to do with it. when you think about cargo and cabin and it's a steady stream of airflow. >> yes, but it's a well-known stream of airflow. so the relationship between the cargo and the cabin is not something that the aviation industry has suddenly discovered. they are aware about the gas that can extinguish.

the senses and the entire range of options to deal with. value jet in the united states showed the absolute devastating deadly nature of a fire in the cargo hold. >> i don't envision 239 people passing out at the same time. the pilots are trained in a decompression or anything that might compromise the oxygen supply. the first thing they do is put on the oxygen masks and they put it on themselves and start dealing with the emergency. >> when you are exposed to something you shouldn't be dealing. were you ever worried about the cargo you were transporting some. >> they will know the cargo they are taking on board. lots of regulations and rules that surround the types of cargo and they will have been tested for a flight at 35,000 feet for these types of things. it's not a concern high on the

priority. >> one plane had $93 million and if that was part of the visit. >> it's a high end job. >> as always, such a pleasure. coming up, malaysia airlines are stepping up security in the cockpit and find out which rules are th they are changing. hobbit director peter jackson sending his private plane to the search. what his jet can do that governments cannot. the search area moving again. are they give think up on the previous area too early? this is cnn's special coverage.

. welcome back to cnn's special coverage of flight 370. a new development we are following in the disappearance. cockpit security. malaysia airlines stepping up, putting new rules in place. i want to go straight to the justice reporter in washington. evan, interesting that for malaysia airlines these are new rules. what are they specifically? >> what officials are telling us in malaysia, these new rules are being put in place specifically because in reaction to the disappearance of flight 370, among the new rules, neither the pilot or the copilot or captain is allowed to be inside the cockpit alone. this is something that is just now standard as a result of these new rules. the senior cabin steward is required to be in the cockpit with the first officer or the captain when the other is gone.

there is an increase in security outside of the cockpit so that let's say whenever the door is open to allow someone to go out, nobody can rush the cockpit and perhaps create a safety hazard that way. the malaysian authorities seem to be focused on the cockpit security. >> when you think about that and the reference and everything is being looked at and analyzed. every word and every period. the changes are positive in nature and relate to the image 370 incident. the suggestion possibly that if one of the pilots were left alone that perhaps he did some sort of a suicide maneuver. is that the suggestion as to why they are implementing this? >> they are not explaining every part of these new rules, but as we have been reporting in the last few days, the increased

focus of the investigation is on whatever was going on in the cockpit. either the two pilots or someone who might have been able to get access to the cockpit. perhaps was able to do something to bring the plane down. the malaysian authorities seem to be reacting to that part of their investigation. we don't know what they found and they haven't released any of that publicly. we know that there is a lot of focus on the two pilots and the safety procedures in the cockpit. . >> i want to continue the conversation with captain darby. you think about the security measures and we take them for granted here in the united states. surprising to you that maybe a pilot was left alone and a cockpit door was not secured. what is your take? >> not unusual outside and more

thorough procedures. i can't discuss that for security reasons. i can say we have an increased level of awareness and these same rules necessary place with the united states already. it's a good addition, but now that we focus on the cockpit and we have to look carefully at everyone involved, particularly the pilots, the last ones in control. we have to look at any religious, political, family issues they might have been dealing with and a range of aspects. everyone appears to have been cleared except the crew and the last one that had control of the airplane for sure were the pilots. >> it is fascinating and there is so much information that is fed in. one thing we never see is because the cockpit takes off. is that something that the pilots would fight, the ability to take time sequence snapshots from inside that cockpit just to

see that everything is as it should be and whoever is meant to be is there. they will be pushed back on that. >> there is some resistance to pilots. no one wants to invite a camera into the workplace on a constant basis. the technology is do and it's easy enough to do. we have sound and many airlines broadcast the radio communication and that's part of the environment. it seems to be becoming much more popular and we can see the impetus for it. there is push back from pilots and anyone other than here on the set would be unfavorably inclined against having a camera in their workplace continuously. >> of course. the flip side of that is possible safety. yes. captain darby, thank you for your insights. >> thank you. >> coming up, the search area for missing flight 370 changed again. why is that. how the searches changed over the course of the investigation.

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a. where exactly are the teams looking. the focus is 700 miles northeast of where crews had been last week. that is closer to these

australian coasts. tom, what section of the ocean are we talking about. are these shallower waters and the area of the coastline and the under water terrain. >> parts might be more shallow. let's take a look at the general area. we are talking about targeting the area. it might be shallower. we have been talking about and three miles deep. look at how this evolved. if you look at the search areas. if you look at the general searching, let's run through to watch the wide shot. it's a tremendously confusing mess out there. they try to close in on an area.

all of this is conjecture. they haven't found one thing, but they are betting they are somehow getting into the right areas. when you talk about what they are searching for, think about it this way. they are searching for the plane as such. if you based it on the air france crash, you would be talking about a debris field that would be at least three miles square by now. maybe a lot bigger. that's how big air france is. this will give you much bigger now. if you think about the search areas, they're looking for three miles square in an area about three million square miles. >> it's remarkable and they are looking for pieces between 20 and 60 feet long, wide, big. tom forman, thank you for that. i want to bring in safety

analyst, david, you saw the search area pointed out to us. does it make sense to you? >> it doesn't to be honest. i wish it did. i don't have the information to figure out why they are changing it. from the outside looking in, it just doesn't seem like it makes a lot of sense. they are following pieces of information and data that they are not confident in. >> for example, one thing that i was talking to a guest earlier about, somebody had to run through all the coordinates. how fast the plane could have been flying over at 35,000 feet and how slow it was. all of these things to create at least what appears to be a radius or boundary. one would think the area might be smaller if you look at the fastest and the slowest and the height and the speed and the wind and the altitude. all of that.

no? >> there quite a few variables. >> the underlying. it could have been at 35,000 feet with the prime minister. that really made my heart sink. i thought they had information from the radar on that. i was doubtful because it came from the primary radar. even the prime minister was not confident on the altitude. that was the confidence made. >> you can imagine we look at this and we investigate and analyze it. add the emotion of the families, it is compounded. thank you so much. we want you to stick around. we want you to answer viewer

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. >> bottom of the hour. investigators admitted that the disappearance of flight 370 is considered criminal sin. all this as the search zone shifts. the previous area is coming up empty. the australians are switching their focus to an adjoining area to the east. the areas searched has been searched to the point where few new objects were being sighted.

an under water pinger locati ees en route. they are expected to ask for more u.s. help and the future of international search efforts. >> like any of these tragedies, we don't know what happened. there is always lessons to be learned. what could have been or should have been done or needs to be done better. coordination is a key part of this. how do we bring all of the nations together to cooperate and connect. >> we have a new accounting to the contribution. so far the american government spent $3.3 million on the search for the plane. there many countries assisting in the search. not only are teams scouring a

new search area. new equipment is joining the international effort. the hms tireless is a british submarine with sonar. it is reportedly now in the search zone. as planes search for debris, the sub like this device, called the tpl is focused on searching for the flight's recorders. tim taylor is a specialist who runs the vessel company. we have been hearing that the tpl toad pinger locator supposed to arrive can be used to search the range of the potential black box pinger. we are talking about two to seven nautical miles? >> a lot of things in the water. two to seven miles is the range under water. >> one would ask, aren't these vessels going to have the same problem that the planes are having and that is they simply don't know where they are supposed to be searching or can

they get lucky? it's the tide that everything is moving. do you think that these vessels should have been brought in a little bit earlier? throw everything immediately at it. again, i know. >> you don't know what they are obligated to and what they are. i'm sure plans are being made.

it's better than not doing anything like this. it's limited resource. >> you heard nuclear submarine. that's pretty serious equipment. why that submarine is not a different submarine. >> it's in the arena and they can get it there and the government wants to help and they committed the resource. they don't have the depth capabilities and they put another set of ears under water that can listen. >> do you think, for example, above water it's all visual. below water obviously at least you are listening. let me ask, the vessels on top of the ocean right now, do they have the same sonar capability to be listening.

you have to remember the terrain and the mountains and the hills and the sound doesn't go through that. it's in the mountain range under water and hits a ridge in the valley, that whole double goes down to where the sound gets hit. the more ears down there, the better. >> as a searcher, you and your team found world war ii submarine from 70 years ago. do you think that this plane ultimately can be found in a short amount of time or does everybody have to get incredibly lucky? >> i'm of the opinion unless they are not telling us something on satellite information or an area which i

don't see why they wouldn't, this will take a long time. this has to be a will. it won't be found for profit. it's a lot of money found by governments to find it. if it takes two, three, four years which is what it could take even if they narrow down to 100 miles, it may be futile at some point. >> thumbs up or down. it was the right thing to do to move the search area. >> time's up. you have to look. the west australian current is moving up and things are moving that way. >> then they get criticized for not moving. thank you. coming up, how private jets are being chartered to assist in the search for the missing plane, including big celebrity's private plane. how they worked in past searches. next, chile's powerful 8.2 magnitude quake could be a sign a much larger quake, the big is

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structural damage and close to a million people have been evacuated. keep in mind california experienced quakes of a magnitude three or greater. joining us now from washington, the science editor from national geographic. everybody wants to know with all the seismic activity, this is due for a big con. this part of chile. quakes in california and chile are connected by the ring of fire and all along the pacific. it's hard to draw a connection between ones that far apart. >> talk about the ring of fire and what that means to the entire area. what parts of affected just so we know. >> it's more of a horseshoe stretching for south america to alaska and down to indonesia.

what you have is the pacific ocean is spreading out and smacking into the continents along the edges. you have mountains and earthquakes. they are happening here all the time. 90% are o long the ring of fire. 80% of the big ones happen along here. >> 8.2 clearly a massive earthquake. by comparison, some of the one of the in california are with the sixes. what would happen if an 8.2 hit los angeles or san death or or san francisco? >> it would be horrific. estimates in los angeles, for example, a 7.5 magnitude which is less, you would have upwards of $250 billion in damage. hundreds of thousands of people displaced from their homes and tens of thousands of people homeless and thousands of fatalities. that's the key point. where it happens matters almost

as much as how powerful it is. something happens in the wrong place. >> one thing you want to know is will there be tremors that sends a warning and an aftershock. >> you don't know for sure until after the big one happens. there is some shakes and magnitude six quakes and magnitude five or so afterwards. we can't give people a lot of warnings. the that happened in california and no, we don't have a great method of sending out instant warnings. >> listening to these people, the fear in their screens as they ran panicked. dan, thank you so much. >> you bet. >> and coming up, lord of the rings and hobbit director peter

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zealand is helping the search for malaysia flight 370. the $80 million gulfstream jet was chartered for use in the search. they are known for the sonic speed and ultra long range. me about the gulfstream jet. what can it do that military planes cannot. >> this jet is one of the most advanced commercial jets or civil jets that can you purchase. it almost has the air traffic control center on board. it can receive information from everybody around it and put it on central control. it is probably helping with

traffic control like it used to in the military. the windows on the side are very big and aminable to visual searches if it's necessary and has a great fuel range at a lower or high altitude. >> there so many planes in the area that the ability to communicate is coming in and can save a lot of time on the search. we are answering your questions on the mystery of flight 370 fs. the 50 of your question, can a plane land perpendicular like divers so there is hardly any debris left floating like a stalling issue? >> it's an interesting question. if that happened, it was going in as a solid piece. if you look at flight 447, it didn't have a lot of air speed,

about you it hit tail first. it did break into pieces. >> that's the air france flight. >> i'm sorry, yes,s air france flight. the only opportunity i can see the probability of it going in as one piece as the questioner is alluding to is if he made a flight on the potomac type landing. >> that's improbable in that area simply because of the rough seas. i think that would be difficult for that to have happened. >> even on the plane that crashed in the hudson, he had full control of it at all times. reggie asks, why don't they send planes to refly the suspected flight path to see if any debris is spotted along the route. good question. why not. why pull everybody out? >> i got that on the same question on my twitter account. i wrote back and said brilliant.

why aren't we doing that? it's a very good question. i think that would be a brilliant thing to do and validate the data and go on the suspected route and see does it do that? you fly at different speeds and have the exact implication of the doppler data and the l band with propagation is what we are using to find the dots. there many theories as to where they went. they should get right on that 650 and that would be the perfect airplane to start that with. >> the big question is, do they have the resources to continue to do that given everybody is working so hard. lots more questions. you can always send them here with us at cnn. we appreciate your insight. >> appreciate it. >> of course. coming up, investigators say all passengers are cleared. how is that possible when we know so little about what

happened on board. plus two passengers boarded the jet with stolen passports. their families are suffering alone. you will hear from them and how they are grieving. this is cnn's special coverage.

. >> flight 370 investigators say they cleared all 227 performs of any involvement in the plane's disappearance. some families of loved ones on the flight are sharing their grief together, it is not the case of a family of a 19-year-old iranian stow away who boarded the plane with a passport. >> of all the grieving families of missing flight mh 370, the family of this man is sufing

alone. he and his friend were two iranians on the flight. his family stayed away from the epicenter of information. not attending briefings or getting the counseling provided by malaysian airlines. in this case the airline said it has not been in contact with the families. their case it is said is in the hands of investigators. they boarded flight mh 370 with stolen passports. able to pass through security without a problem. at first they came under suspicion, but they were cleared of having anything to do with the plane's disappearance. on facebook his mother pours out her grief. all i wanted was to not see my children die before me, of course that didn't happen. we tried to talk to his mother, but she did not respond to calls or e-mail.

we said goodbye to him. for fear he will be harassed. he said he and his friend are from christian families. he was not particularly religious. his facebook message days before he got on the plane shows him standing below the iconic skyscraper with the words feeling excited. >> she was so sat and he was asking me when my son was dead. if he was enjoying. i said yes, he was happy and enjoying and he was okay. . >> he said thanks, god. >> he saw the passport with another man's name on it. he would only say he was trying to leave iran forever to live with his mother in germany. >> he said there is more freedom

there. >> instead, he disappeared with the other 238 people aboard mh flight 370. his mother left these words for her missing son. i dedicated my to my son and all i wanted is for them to be happy in life. i wanted them to live a free life. i prayed i would see him again, but that department happen. we will see each other in eternity now. the push to raise the federal minimum wage to 10.10 an hour. that's enough to fill up the big house 65 times. that doesn't count more than three million young people who

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370. the u.s. pinger locator is hours away from reaching the destination. a search zone that actually just moved again. unlike last time, this is not because of inaccurate data analysis. this is because they say this area has been scoured. it has been scoured to the point of no new sightings. they are focused to the area east of this. is this move premature 50. they have confirmation that 227 passengers have been cleared in any role of the plane's disappearance. the general admitting that this has been deemed a criminal investigation and that happened since march 16th, the same day that malaysia realized that the plane was deliberately flown off course. it is focussed on four areas, hijacking, sabotage, as well as personal issues and psychological issues.

>> it is a criminal investigation. that's why. >> two sources telling cnn the measures include a rule saying no pilot or first officer is alone to sit alone in the cockpit. if or the other leaves, a senior crew member must be inside until the other returns. another line of safety is cockpit cameras. could they make a difference. stephanie is joining me from los angeles. could they make a difference. >> that's just the topic that everyone has been talking about lately.

when it comes to airplane safety, this is not a new suggestion. this has been around for a while. you can go back to the year 2000 when the national transportation safety board made the recommendation saying we should put cameras in the cockpit to see what's going on. they show what they are doing that there is a tragic accident that they do get the recorders that they would be able to see what happened. they help with the malaysia flight because we haven't found the black boxes. he is the chairman in 2000. the pilots are against having the cameras in there. he said the same push back happened when the cockpit recorders were installed on planes and said the safety of the persons is more important. take a listen. they have demonstrated along with the flight data recorder

that effectively and appropriately used, we have been able to drive the accident rate in commercial aviation down to almost zero. >> pilots say that there is so much tracking of all of the data coming off the planes. what the hydraulics and the planes were doing. there is so much information that adding cameras would be unnecessary and it would violate their privacy in the cockpit. the debate continues on and it will come up with what happens with the malaysia airlines flight. when you take a look at other disasters and 9/11, there were changes made, but they took many years for us to see them. the reinforced cockpit doors. any changes, it will be a long time before we see them. >> it takes time to weigh the benefits as well. thank you so much. stephanie will have a full report on the don lemon show at

10:00 eastern. now joining us from atlanta, the safety specialist is a retired airline pilot. here with me in new york, justin green, aviation attorney and former pilot. justin, really to start with you, what are the practical implications of what we are hearing malaysia talking about. the changes where there has to be two sets of eyes at all times. >> it's obviously a good idea. the idea is that you may have one pilot who wants to kill himself and murder the people on board the airplane, but he is not going to be able to do it when the other pilot can stop him. the idea of having one pilot alone is a good idea, but that doesn't mean that's what happened. there have only been three incidents that are proven where that did happen. the cockpit pilot suicide or murder of a flight crew is very,

very rare. i think it's a great idea. >> we know in other instances it may have prevented this from happening. >> whether it actually caused the crash if you identify a safety risk, but it prevents the next crash. even if the pilot is innocent, down the road this may pay safety dividends. >> with the safety debates. when we talk about the cockpit, does that include the space below, for example, where the acars system is located? >> actually no. the cockpit is considered just to be the area that is above the deck. the engineering and electronics department where people pull up the lower 41 so-called because the nose section and the manufacturing is the 41 section.

something the pilots don't look at. maybe batteries and oxygen, but they hardly ever get down there. >> as we heard justin say, this is a good idea to have a sort of buddy system in a way. >> it will keep the security level a bit higher than leaving an individual by him or herself up in the cockpit with the ability to do anything they would like without oversight. >> you are hearing that malaysia is saying since march 16th, they have been considering this to be a criminal investigation that was several days after the plane went missing. what happened and also why do you think we are finding out about this now and is it just that the plane was turned to the left and they think that in itself makes this a criminal investigation. >> i just think in today's day and age, a reasonable assumption

to start a criminal investigation after an event like this. tw 800 was a major criminal investigation after that. they pulled the wreckage piece by piece and put it back to rule out the missile strike or some sort of bomb that might have been on board. it doesn't surprise me that they did a criminal investigation. it's a responsible thing to do and it is being misinterpreted by some, saying that it was a criminal act. i don't think that's what they are saying and they approached it as if it was. now they are saying at least the passengers they are ruling out. >> they are ruling out. to that point when you look at the timing of this, as we just heard justin say, this allows investigators to kind of keep all possibilities on the table, but march 16th, was that in your opinion late to the game to decide this could be a criminal situation some.

>> not really. the issue becomes eliminating things that it could be. early on they could tell they could not eliminate the crew. it sounds like they are to the point where they have been able to eliminate the passengers. it becomes a process of total elimination. it's hard for many and i would say most to envision mechanical or outside force to cause the airplane to do what it did. the result is it boils down to or both crew members being involved. >> we will be waiting to see what comes at that part. thanks for being with us. thank you so much. next, moving to the search area. ships and planes looking for the missing flight that focus on a different area of the indian ocean. what caused this shift and is the change too soon? we are live next. we are taking you beneath the

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the reason. according to the joint agency coordination center, the group in charge, the area searched between march 28th and april 1st has been searched to the point where few new objects were being sighted. the search area for today including water that had not previously been searched. will ripley is in perth, australia. when you look at them searching the shift zone closer to land, does that make it easier for the search teams? >> in a sense it does. now we are less than 1,000 miles away from the coast and it takes less time for the planes to flight out each day. the ocean shield is due to arrive in the new search zone earlier within the next few hours. and so yes, in that respect it does make it easier. the reality is they searched the old search area and no new

objects and it's a possibility they spotted objects in the new area. they are now going to have to search around the perimeter and all of the data analysis seems to indicate where in the zone. >> what is the plan for tomorrow? it's dawn breaking there in a few hours. >> we know the malaysian prime minister at his hotel right now, if he is resting up at pierce air base. he's meeting with the people and it's an important meeting and the first time they will be face-to-face since the search operation has begun. so it's time to coordinate and talk about what's going to happen if and when debris is

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. >> should one pilot need to exit, a senior steward would have to be with another pilot. that would prevent them from jeopardizing the plane and those on board. let's walk through this in a 777 simulator outside of toronto. it seems easy enough. we use the buddy system for a lot of things. might this cause a problem for the pilots? >> malaysian airlines is behind the curve on this. a lot of domestic and international airlines are practicing this for sometime. the fact that this is implementing in light of what happened with flight 370. they know what the regimen is like. you change out the pilot. how does it work? >> it's simple. we call the charts to let them

know. everything is communication. she or he comes up. they sit down with the other pilot. >> they are there to keep an eye on them. >> it's just the procedure to make sure that it's all for safety. >> it doesn't have to be you don't trust the pilot or copilot. they want to make sure they don't suffer an illness while the other pilot is away and before they can get back in some kind of trouble. it's not always keeping an eye on somebody. there a number of reasons why you would want to practice that. could it be problematic. >> this is so extremely rare. what about this point. rotating pilots. say you had two pilots who had

nepharious intend and concocted a plan together. is there a possibility of rotating pilots so they wouldn't know when they would be partnered? >> it is, but not for security reasons. they rotate all the time. >> every flight is different depending on who is on vacation or who is scheduled. it's just like any other job. >> it's not uncommon for them to meet in the cockpit at that flight. >> we wouldn't meet in the cockpit, but you would meet in the operations center. it's not uncommon at all. you can go months or years and not fly with the same person again. >> it works out that they often are not together. >> to that point, how much notice does a pilot get of who they are being paired with? >> you have a schedule just like any other job. depending on the airline you may know a few days or a month

before. it depends on the airline. >> we appreciate that. a salvage mission below the ocean's surface. that could be the case if the lean is found in the indian ocean. the robots and the other machinery able to pull that debris from the ocean floor. this is not the first time that a plane has vanished. amelia ehrhardt vanished and other planes took off and never have been found. a man who keeps track of all these incidents.

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the disappearance of flight 370 has been considered a criminal act since mid-march. all of this as the search zone again shifts. the previous area is coming up empty so the australians leading the search are switching their focus to an adjoining area to the east. they say that the area search between march 28th and april 1st has been searched to the point where few objects were being sighted. it's closer to australia as i mentioned and american contribution is that under water pinger locator. it is expected to arrive in a matter of hours. we don't know if parts of flight 370 may be strewn across the ocean floor. it's a possibility. we know this. retrieving wreckage from deep oceans it cake years. randi kay has more on how divers help to val vaj plane wreckage.

>> this is what it looks like. you are watching a u.s. navy salvage team gather pieces of twa flight 800 which went down off of new york.n are maneuveri pieces. >> he has been involved in at least 50 ocean salvages including twa 800 and swiss air 111 that crashed in 1998 off the coast of nova scotia. were both in water much shallower. the navy has remote under water vehicles designed for deep water salvage operations. they can go as deep as 20,000 feet, but the deeper the recovery, the slower the process. >> it takes about an hour for

every 1,000 feet you need to descend. if you go to 11,000 feet, you can count on 11 hours to get down. >> at those depths, it's pitch black. the vehicles are equipped with lights and cameras and outfitted with sonar to scout for debris. they are steered by two operators on board the ship above who use instant feedback from the salvage vehicle's cameras to direct the robotic arms. >> they can hover and move left, right, forward, and back. go to where they need and pick it up if they need to. >> remember air france flight 447 which crashed in the atlantic ocean in 2009? two years later an unmanned you should water vehicle found the debris field for that flight 13,000 feet beneath the surface. the imagines were pulled from the ocean floor. if flight 370 is found, search

teams are prepared to do the same. >> if it's small, you can put a basket so they can pick it up and put it in. >> the remote under water vehicles can only carry about 4,000 pounds. anything heavier like a large piece of the fuselage will have to be attached to a cable and pulled to the surface by a crane on the ship. keep in mind this could be happening miles but low the surface. incredibly difficult task. still no doubt salvage teals will keep their eyes peeled for the black box, hoping to get much needed answers first. randi kay, cnn, new york. >> my next guest played a key role in the u.s. navy's mission to salvage twa flight 800 wreckage. i want to bring in a retired navy captain and diver, bobby scoli. the twa 800 mission, you did

know at that point roughly where the plane went down, but a lot more knowledge than flee 370 researchers. >> yes, we did. we knew where the flight 800 landed. we had eyewitness reports and we were on scene within hours. going down. the coast guard and the navy were there. the person you saw on that was the first on the scene from the u.s. navy. and that aircraft went into only approximately 120 feet of water. instead of what we are looking at here with flight 370, possibly 14,000 feet of water. we have the huge order of difference in the aircraft. we used navy divers on flight 800. the navy divers were recovering

the wreckage of flight 800. it was a pain stakingly slow process. we spent four months off the coast recovering every single piece of that aircraft possible. we started out recovering the black boxes and then the victims. >> if you can talk a little bit about the depth here and why that poses such a challenge. we heard in randi's piece, when you are talking about the rovs, it's an hour approximately per 1,000 feet to get down. that's one way. if you are talking about as much as 14,000 feet, that's 14 hours for one of these vehicles to get down, right? to the ocean floor. >> yes. when you are working with the rovs, you have to lower them down. they are attached to the ship by

a cable that has the power and the hydraulics and all the resources to operate that rov. the operators of course are still up on the mother ship. so it takes time to lower that rov properly down to the aircraft so we can operate it and has all the sophisticated camera systems on it. it takes all that time to get it down to the bottom to do the work we need it to do. in return, if we need to bring any of the pieces that those manipulator arms picks up, say the black box, it takes the same amount of time to bring it back up to the surface. that will extend the amount of time we are working. >> when you are looking 59 flight twa 800, you said it wasn't in that deep of water even though it was a pain staking process. a lot of people might be thinking more of the air france

flight that was going from rio to paris and it crashed. there was some wreckage found not too long after the flight crashed, after the plane crashed. it took a couple of years to find the black boxes. could this be a more realistic case when you are looking at flight 370 where you don't have a lot of information about where it went down? >> with the air france flight, there was a lot of debris floating on the surface. that's the debris that was brought back right away. the search started immediately on the ocean bottom. they had a much better idea of where to start the search because they did have that debris on the surface. it still took two years. they were unable to find the pingers within that first search from the floating debris. it still took two years using the side scan sonar.

that's a scenario we have. >> no doubt. whatever the out come here. if this debris is found, there is a better sense of a location. it will be a pain staking process. thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you. >> with technology, gps and radar and it's hard to imagine losing track of a plane. this happened dozens of times and may have many of these that have never been found. next, we are taking a look at the biggest plane mysteries of all time. families of passengers aboard get to meet face-to-face with malaysian government officials and investigators. what happened at that closed door meeting depends on what you ask. outside the room, we will go live to kuala lumpur coming up. ♪ [ cellphones beeping ] ♪ [ cellphone rings ] hello? [ male announcer ] over 12,000 financial advisors.

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lives is never found, it would join a long line of mystery thags started in the skies and presumably ended in the ocean. joining me now from the netherlands is the president of the aviation safety network that tracks aviation accidents. thanks for being with us. tell us a little bit about from your database, how many planes are we talking about that have never been found? >> well, our database covers about 5,600 fatal airliner accidents since about world war ii. 88 of those aircraft have never been found. not even a single trace. not an oil slick or a tiny piece of debris has been found of those beings. they are still missing. >> nothing. 88 flights, 88 planes and no hint of them. do you when you look at these,

do any of the plane mysteries resemble this that we are talking about, flight 370? >> it's very difficult to compare this particular missing aircraft with all the others because most other aircraft have gone missing in the 1960s, 1970s. most of these were not passenger planes. they were cargo and military transport planes. there is nothing really which is resembling this malaysia 370 flight. so no. >> when you look at the planes in your database, is there a certain that you find most intriguing or do you think this flight could be the one considered the most intriguing if we never find any debris and never find the plane or the wreckage? >> well, given the number of people on the flight which is

the most number of people on the flight that has gone missing, the previous highest number was about 100 people that were missing when the super constellation transport plane crashed in the pacific. so i think this one will really be one thing that people will always remember although there have been missing aircraft in very recent past which also entailed a massive search effort, like for example a small aircraft that went missing in russia a couple of years ago. some russians took the airplane for a joy ride and never returned. a massive search was launched to find those people back, but it was impossible at first because there was a large amount of forest area that needed to be covered and it took them five months of almost continuous

search and they called it off. accidentally that aircraft was found by cheer luck by a hunter who wandered around a forest and stumbled upon the aircraft. >> wow. but 88 planes never accounted for. the question is, might this be one of them? thanks for being with us to explain these other instances. we appreciate it. now family members have been demanding answers. you can imagine some even accusing the malaysian government of hiding information. today some of the families got a face-to-face meeting with investigators behind closed doors. it was a long meeting and cnn was there to talk to family members right after it. were they satisfied with the answers they got? we are live in kuala lumpur, next. i must begin my journey,

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. welcome back to cnn's special coverage of flight 370. i'm brianna keilar. the families of 18 chinese passengers met privately with investigators and malaysian government officials in kuala lumpur. this was supposed to clear the air and answer questions about the investigation and our senior international correspondent was outside of that meeting earlier with a whole lot of reporters, sarah, you talked to these officials and certainly these family members. did any of them tell you about what happened behind closed doors? >> reporter: the family members have been shying away from the media. the frustration is off the charts. you can imagine why. it's been nearly four full weeks now. we are a few days away from four weeks. a whole month they have been waiting for the answers to two

questions. one, what happened to the plane with their loved ones aboard and two what created the disappearance. they don't have the answers, but they have more than a dozen questions they wanted to ask officials. these are the faamlies and some of them have come back to get correct answers from officials. we heard from a couple of people in the meeting. the family members are frustrated, but at least there is an open line of communication, they say. let me let you listen to what some of the officials from the malaysian side said as we tried to get more information out of them as they came out of that meeting today. >> we met with the next of kin from china. there are 29 of them from 18 families. it is a closed-door meeting. we had a very good meeting with them.

we answer all their questions. and i cannot give you the specifics. >> reporter: is there anything new in the investigation you were able to share with family? >> this is technical question. i'm not going to answer that question. >> reporter: so a lot of frustration on the media's part, too, and we notice that there were a heck of a lot more media both local and chinese media outside that hotel hoping to hear some more information. we do also know that the families in beijing were listening to this particular meeting between malaysian officials, which did include some of the military as well, but the family members in the end are still frustrated. and why are think thai frustrated? because they don't have the answers to two simple questions and they really just want to know where their loved ones are at the moment. >> of course. you sympathize with them, many of these chinese families as you mentioned traveling back to malaysia to try to get answers, remaining unsatisfied. thank you so much. it's hard to imagine what these

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it's difficult for the family members. we are hoping there will be survivors. if it, indeed, ended somewhere in the indian ocean, we hope that there will be survivors. we hope suhalil is among the survivors, yes. that is the only thing we can hope. that is a light at the end of this tunnel. >> i definitely miss her. she's a very committed professional pilot. if something had happened to this flight, i would think -- in fact, i would believe that she would have made sure of the safety and welfare of everyone else before he thinks about himself. that's the kind of person that he is. that's why i would choose him as his pilot. i just cannot imagine how the family feel, not just the captain's family but the rest of the passengers and crew. how did i know? well, i didn't really.

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well, there is a desperate search under way for his step brother. and leading the hunt the child's own father who's a sergeant in the u.s. army. here's more from our seattle affiliate. >> reporter: staff sergeant jose mangual has been in a war zone but he still wasn't prepared. >> the deployments i've been on, nothing compared to this. >> reporter: the mud and debris are 70 feet deep in some places, but he's wading through it because his 13-year-old son jojo is still hasomewhere in this me. >> i want to find my son. i wouldn't do it any other way. >> reporter: jojo was at home with his siblings when the mudslide hit. his brother jacob was pulled to safety. >> i have no bad feelings just because he got to get rescued and my son is still missing. nothing at all. i'm happy he's back with his mom. >> reporter: he says he spent time with jacob over the last week and he's a tough little boy. he'll have to be when he

realizes he's lost a big part of his family. >> he's too young. he doesn't understand. so, i mean, i just hope that in the future he's able to overcome because it's a lot to take. >> reporter: it's a lot to take for jose. he says it's helped seen how loved jojo was by his friends and football teammates at school. it's given him the motivation to keep showing up at the search site day after day. >> hasn't been easy, but i have my faith in god and keep on pushing, pressing on. i still got faith so, i know i'm going to find him. and that's pretty much all i'm focused on. >> certainly hope he does find his son. meanwhile "the seattle times" reports scientists studying this slide believe development and a controversial practice known as clear cutting played a role in the disaster. clear cutting is the removal of entire stands of trees. we are seconds away from the closing bell at the new york stock exchange and we are watching the dow closely because

it's close to setting a record high. alison kosik, while we all run and check our 401(k)s, tell us what is behind the spike. >> this is turning into a nail-biter. we're watching the dow. it hit a fresh record high during the trading day. not sure it will close there. the closing bell in a minute. we'll know after the numbers settle. what's making stocks trade in the green today could be hope propelling the rally today. though historically april is a strong month for stocks anyway. there's been optimism that the march jobs report which comes out on friday, optimism it will be better than expected because the thinking is we're finally past that cold, brutal weather we've been having that's been slowing the economy down. we've already had indications that have shown promise that the economy is doing a little better, including personal spending numbers, consumer confidence numbers, manufacturing, and construction spending. all those numbers have been improving as the weather heads to warmer. hoping that the jobs picture on friday for march is going to look better too. you're seeing optimism in today's trade, not so sure the

dow will hit that record level today. but we'll see where the numbers settle. >> alison kosik, thank you so much. the dow closing there. and bill weir is filling in for jake tapper today. "the lead" starts right now. it isn't what vogs are saying about the passengers of flight 370 that's alarming. it's what they're not saying about the crew. i'm bill weir, and this is "the lea lead". in the world lead, four days, that's how long those pingers on the black boxes may have left, if they're even still working at all. as the search zone shifts yet again, more ships are on the way to intensify the hunt for the missing plane. and investigators finally admit what cnn has reported for days, that the plane's disappearance is considered a criminal act. somehow they say they've cleared every single passenger on board of suspicion, but they've yet to do the same for the dozen crew members. so