not clear if it's one or multiple shooters still at large. we are told there are injuries right now. we'll stay on top of this story. much more coming up. thanks for watching. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. good evening, everyone i'm erin burnett we want to begin with our breaking news. there's an active shooter at fort hood in colleen, texas. this is an ongoing situation. the base is in lock down. security personnel are chasing a suspect. military officer on base at fort hood tells us he heard sirens and has been told to shelter in place. there are more than 40,000 military personnel on the fort hood base. the president of the united states has been briefed on this fluid situation and i can tell you right now literally this information just coming in to us at cnn, a hospital nearby say

they are receiving patients. they don't have a number. this san active and ongoing situation. i want to get straight to our pentagon correspondent, barbara starr. what's the very latest can you tell us? >> reporter: what we're hearing is that there are, in fact, multiple injuries from this incident which began perhaps looking at the clock just over an hour ago when the first reports came in of an active shooter at fort hood. the army very efficient information. multiple injuries. at this point all indications are this situation is still an active shooter. we've been on the phone with various people. we know who were at fort hood. they are still hearing sirens. they are being told to shelter in place, to lock their doors, to stay away from windows. this servicing on fort hood from battle hardened combat veterans to families who live there, who have children.

it is a very large sprawling base, security personnel, erin, have responded on multiple fronts. security, army security personnel on the base. and the local town, colleen, texas, the bell county sheriff's department responding. civilian law enforcement securing the perimeter outside the gate, trying to ensure that the communities there are safe. a local college has been evacuated for the evening. so this is a very complex ongoing situation at this hour. but we want to emphasize information still very sketchy, erin. >> we have some video, barbara, that's just coming in given the fluid nature. this is off of instagram.

you're hearing -- barbara, they are giving the warning, you can hear someone, you know, in distress or fear there. there's been reports that this could have happened at a medical center on fort hood. there's been reports of perhaps one casualty. i mean there are so many questions at this point. can you tell us anything at all about whether there is one shooter or whether there are many shooter, anything about casualties or at this point we don't know? >> reporter: i don't think we do. that looks to me like a housing area at fort hood and that's worth remembering. there are families with children who live there. there have been multiple different reports of where on base this may have started. so until we at cnn can confirm that we're not going to go with any of these one confirmed reports. people being told to shelter in place until this situation is resolved. the question of one or two

shooters. we tend to see these early reports in shooting incidents where people have genuine heart felt reports where there's more than one shooter. typically we all know most of these incidents turn out to be a single shooter but the actual fact, erin, in this incident we just don't have enough information to know yet. we do knot know if this is a military person. we don't know faits civilian. we don't know how the person got weapons on base. some questions right now. >> some questions and we'll talk, hopefully get some answers to some of them but of course we're monitoring the situation. joining me on the phone now is the mayor of colleen, texas. mayor, this base in colleen, what can you tell me about what's happening now? we that point we know this is an active situation but there are some questions. >> yes. fort hood is right across the street from colleen. there's over 41,000 soldiers stationed. the nature of the incident,

first calvary division which has seen a lot of action both in iraq and afghanistan and the third armored corps just got back for being a major headquarters in afghanistan for the international security assistance force. there are lots of medical facilities in the area and lots of law enforcement. the bell county sheriff's department, our state troopers, everybody in the area along with the colleen police department are ready to assist in any way. we positioned our ambulances at our central firestation. we have eight firestation in town and we kind of consolidated those not in service so we're ready to assist when called upon. >> are you still at this point, mayor, still unsure whether this is ongoing or whether they are still pursuing a shooter or, again, we don't -- we're

assuming one shooter but it's unclear as to whether there is more. do you have any answers to those questions? >> no, we don't have any information than what i've heard you all talk about on cnn. we do know that level one trauma center that's like a hospital in temple 130e miles away and it's logical they would take seriously injured people to that hospital. we have two hospitals and a major medical facility on fort hood. there's plenty of medical treatment facilities around to accommodate whatever is needed. we just don't know exactly what's going on there right now but we have a lot of capable people out there in fort hood and they are used to dealing with combat situations. >> mayor, thank you very much. we're trying to get more information in again and the active situation, whether there is a shooter, whether there are

multiple shooters. we don't have answers to these questions. as we indicated fort hood is one of the most well-known bases in the entire united states. obviously where major nadal hassan killed 13 people, wounded 32 others in a mass shooting in 2009. everyone watching this program is very familiar with that particular situation. there are 41,000 military personnel stationed on this and another 10,000 civilians. i want to get to tom foreman. those numbers should give people the a sense of scale. this is the largest employer in the state of texas. can you show us why this is such a significant and sprawling facility. >> it's right between waco and austin. if we fly in here and take a wider look. this defines the base here, it spread thought wayside to side. you mentioned numbers there. all in all about 50,000 or so civilians and military personnel there.

let me show you a few key areas to think about as we talk about this. for example you may have heard them talking about closing down the community college and evacuating it. it's over here at this end. also at this end and one of the reasons this area is so sensitive down at spend. the whole thing is a big issue. if you look at the northwest corner of the base, move up here, the northwestern western end of it this is where major hasan's shooting took place. we know that there's a gate down here. this is called the clear creek gate. down at this corner of the base. we haven't heard as much about that. we heard more about the gate over here, the bernie beck gate which is the main gate which has many of those thousands of people coming in and out every day. that's been closed. we heard talk about the core headquarters which is right in the middle up in here. and we can move not very far away to get to darnell hospital which is another one of the

facilities we've been talking about a lot. again, as you know, a moment ago, erin, we don't really know where things have happened. we know where we're hearing more and more talk about things. there's a lot of things we can't talk about. i'll show you one thing to keep in mind. this particular road that goes sort of through the mid. things is called tank destroyer road. many of the reports we're getting seem to be at least vaguely connected to that corridor. again, many of these may be false. they may be early leads where people will prove to be wrong but notable so many of them seem to be fairly close to that. again a central road through the center of the camp. it would be easy for many things to be close to it not by any design simply because it played out that way. >> tom foreman, thank you. one thing we can report here is a nearby hospital, scott white hospital said they are receiving patients but yet don't have a number. i want to go to brian todd.

brian -- actually instead i want to go evan perez. evan. >> reporter: that's right. we are told that at least one, there was at least one shooter. there have been reports there was a second shooter but we're being warned by authorities that we've been talking to that it is possible people are mistaken a second person perhaps a first responder as a second shooter. so we've been caused that may or may not be accurate. we're for certain there is at least one shooter and at this point that person was believed shot. we don't know whether or not that was self-inflicted or not. there are multiple injuries at the scene. we're still trying to determine as to how many of those there are and how serious those are, erin, but at this point it's going to take several hours for authorities to get into those buildings. it's a very large base as you know. it is something that's going to take some time before authorities can clear, can get

everybody out safely and determine there's no other threats anywhere else on the base. something that will take several hours. unfortunately those people sheltering in place will thereabout for some time. >> let me be very clear. when you say the shooter, the one shooter they identified as the shooter was shot you say you're not sure self-inflicted or not that shooter is dead? >>. >> reporter: not clear whether or not that person was shot by a first responder. that person is deceased but not clear whether or not that was self-inflicted. again, there are these reports we had the local police just on the air just little while ago and they said that they were hearing both reports of one shooter and two shooters and that's something, obviously, in these incidents it's always very dangerous, always very unclear what the early information is and whether it turns out to be accurate. at this point it's still an active situation because they have to clear all those buildings and there's thousands of people on that base who now

have to be brought out and made sure they are safe. >> evan, before you go, do you have any sense at this point as to whether the shooter who we can now report has been killed, although we don't know whether by responder or by his own hand, do you have any idea whether that shooter was a member of the united states military, a civilian or someone else? >> that's something we're trying verify at this point. it's believed, you know, obviously this basis a very tightly restricted place. it's tightly guarded. it would probably of had some kind of association with fort hood to be able to get into this area. that is not something that i've been able to determine. we've heard -- we're hearing from sources that they are and, you know, at this point it's so early in the process. i think it's best to try to verify that before we can say for sure. >> thank you very much. evan will continue to work his sources as we try get any development wes can. evan perez just breaking the

news that at least one shooter which is all that we know there is at this point but there are questions as to whether there was possibly a second shooter, one shooter has been killed at the scene. uncertain whether that was by his own hand or by a responder. again, we do not know full casualties. tom, base is in lockdown. we have this significant development. a shooter has been neutralized as in killed. tell us what you're hearing from your sources from the fbi, who i know is now actively involved in this situation. >> hi, erin. what i heard there's one person dead, and believed to be about 15 people wounded. i did not specifically hear what evan heard that the person dead is believed to be the shooter. i'm not doubting evan just different sources are hearing different things at different times. apparently one person is believed dead at the scene, and,

you know, all the hope would be it's the one and only person responsible for the shootings. that would mean it's essentially a safe situation even if an unresolved until they know as evan mentioned they have to clear the other buildings. they have to verify it was a lone person if this in fact turns out to be the shooter. >> let me bring in seth jones with rand corporation. seth did a lot of work with the major nadal hasan case. 13 people murdered then, 32 wounded. you heard tom say there's 15 people wounded, uncertain on deaths. we can report one death. question is whether that's the shooter or not. what are you hearing, seth? >> i'm hearing a lot of the same thing. one shooter, he appears to be dead right now. but there's still a lot of uncertainty including motive. this is one thing that's interesting as we move along with the motives for this. back in the 2009 case, this turned out the be an act of

terrorism. somebody connected to yemen. >> let me ask each of you, there's at that report here that appeared on fox news.com that actually hunting for an army e - recruit who had been recruited in february of this year and then was kicked out because he was suspected of plotting a fort hood inspired jihad on the website they put the fbi kansas city division alert about this gentleman who is also known as mohamed hasan and went by the name of booker. do you know anything about this tom and whether these two things in any way would be related? >> i heard the same report but i don't know, have not had a chance to confirm that they are related to this incident. >> seth do you know anything about this situation about this recruit kicked out? >> no. but i will say that fort hood

and several other bases have come up repeatedly on jihadist networks as being targets of attack in response for u.s. activity overseas so not surprising that it could be a potential threat area. >> all right. thanks very much to both of you. we'll be going live to the scene in just a couple of moments. we'll take a break and be back as soon as we can to go live and show you what's happening on seen. ed lavandera is getting there. [ male announcer ] at his current pace,

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continues of an active shooter situation at the military baines fort hood, texas. here's what we can tell you right now. the situation to our knowledge started about an hour ago. one confirmed shooter we understand has been neutralized that means killed we're not sure by his own hand or by the hand of a first spoernd. there are multiple injury reports, multiple people going to a local hospital. we don't yet know how many and we do not have a count for you in terms of how many people may potentially have lost their lives. the base those, which has more than 40,000 military personnel and another 10,000 close to it, civilians went into lockdown

today. eerie reminder what happened with major nadal hasan where 13 people were murdered. here's what happened on that want base today. you hear the voice on the loud speaker saying take shelter immediately. you hear a child's voice, a child is afraid. with the size of this base there are residential areas and that's what we're looking at right here where you heard the loud speaker telling people to take shelter immediately. our understanding it's still a take shelter situation on that base, an active situation. i want to get to our ed lavandera, he's on his way to fort hood and ed you were covering day in and day out the horrific murder and shooting situation there in 2009 with

major nadal hasan. >> reporter: erin, very true. the scars of that horrible day back in 2009 is something that is still very evident there at fort hood. in just a few months ago army installation there went through the intensely secure situation murder trial of major nadal that ended in his conviction and his death. they live with this constantly. a very traumatic situation once again. i can tell you from having spent a great deal of time covering fort hood for many years here in texas, the area that i believe all of this is going on is a high traffic area, one of the main entrances to the army installation. this is an area, from what i

could tell, what's essentially a neighborhood, thousands of families that live inside the army installation that come there for their deployments, stationed there for several years at a time. so you're playing that video and hear the voice of the children. not only day in and day out of army soldiers going on but also a community and as you're driving some of the streets there inside the installation just like driving through any other neighborhood in many ways once you get into those more residential areas. that's obviously a major cause for concern tonight. >> all right. ed lavandera, as we said, is on his way to the fort hood base. we'll be checking in with him as he gets more information. i want to emphasize it's difficult to get in touch with people. some people on the base who are in lock down who have reached out via social media but others said it's very difficult to get calls out. the towers may be down in terms of communication. as soon as we get people on that base who can talk to you we'll

bring them to you. i want to bring in evan perez ouries advertise correspondent. what your learning especially as we figure out how many people have been affected. >> reporter: erin this situation will take several hours. it will be continued to be classified as active for several hours, at least until they can secure the buildings involved and determine there's no further threat to the military personnel on that base. thousands of people there that need to be secured, obviously. you mentioned earlier the concern about this report that came out earlier in the week about a military recruit who the fbi had warned the defense department to be on the look out for. we've been told by sources that that is not at all at play here, that person was found earlier in the week and was interviewed and determined that there was no public safety issue at all. so it is not at all related to this incident. we can now tell people so people

should not be concerned about that particular thing. it's obviously still a situation they need to determine exactly what happened here, whether or not there was any terrorism involved or whether or not it's something that just was a beef between perhaps some soldiers on that want base. >> and, evan, significant development you're saying it's not related to this as we said, this was a report which was on fox news.com about an ex-army recruit suspected of planning a jihad response. that individual is apprehended and not linked to this situation. we don't yet know who is involved. you don't know whether the motive is terrorism or some sort of a workplace dispute or soelgs. what about in terms of casualties. former assistant director of fbi just said on this program he heard up to 15 people had been injured. we don't yet know in terms of casualties. what your hearing? >> that's one of those things especially in this stage of the game. it is always very -- the numbers

vary, very greatly. so, i've heard as little as three and as tom said as many as 15. those numbers sometimes are just because people get injured as they are trying to flee the scene. so people might fall and hurt themselves so they might be -- some people are frightened and are taken to the hospital. so, you know, we don't know how many people were injured in the shooting incident itself. we haven't been able to determine that and i don't think we can know that until everybody has been taken out and everybody has been talked to and determine whether or not they were injured by the shooter or, perhaps, injured in fleeing the scene of the crime there. so i think it's going to be something we have to wait a little while to be able to determine, erin. >> thank you very much. evan will continue to work his sources. we'll continue to follow this active shooter situation in fort hood, texas. our breaking news coverage on cnn continues. we'll be back "outfront". ...work with equity experts...

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initials reports that reached law enforcement here in washington is this began it appears as some kind of soldier to soldier disagreement. these are the early indications which are often later proven to be inaccurate. one of the things we want to do is we want people to understand these are the early reports we got. authorities have not confirmed whether or not that was indeed the case. often this is the type of thing witnesses see and they report to authorities when they fled the building. so it is one of those things they are checking out. this doesn't mean that they ruled out all other possibilities including perhaps a terrorism nexus or just some other type of mass shooting incident if that indeed was the intent of the shooter. so that is the initial report that was at least sent to law enforcement officials was that it began as some kind of a soldier on soldier disagreement but, again, it's something that they are still trying to check out. >> evan thank you. evan will continue to work his

source. i want to bring in former assistant of the fbi. i want to play it again if i can what we just heard an hour ago when they were first telling people to take shelter, to show everybody this is a base where you have a lot of children, a lot of families living. this show you that alarm went out. >> you hear they are saying take shelter immediately. you hear children who are scared. this is a base you lived on it for four years. this is a huge base. you have tens of thousands of people. >> massive. >> and we're hearing this could have happened along the main

road, many reports we haven't been able to confirm at this point exactly where, what motive, who, but reports could it have been along that main road. tell us what that looks like. >> it's a large boulevard. fort hood is a massive, in fact the largest installation, military installation in the united states. over, right at 50% of the army's heavy combat capabilities are at fort hood. so you have a division, you have a number of brigade size units, you have a bunch of folks, a bunch of support units. as you indicated what you really have is a large population of family members. and all of those units have deployed within the last couple of years as you know. so this is an organization, an installation, a community that's very tight, has bonded together very, very well. it's not unusual to see individual soldiers have a spat, have a disagreement. we don't know yet if it's soldier on soldier. we really don't know those details. >> right. >> you can see with that type

of churn, that type of turmoil there may be some disagreements that might be on the surface. we just simply don't know. but it is a large installation. it's a magnificent place to be a soldier, to be a family member, it's a very tight community. >> tom fuentes, what can you tell us, the questions we still have out there about who the shooter was, whether this was soldier on soldier, or terrorism related. you're on your blackberry or on your phone. what can you tell us? >> i can tell now thing. there's been no information come in regarding whether it was a terrorist or somebody that had a mental breakdown or whether it was some kind of planned event. we just don't know. or soldier on soldier as general marks mentioned. it's too soon to know that. as you remember in the navy shooting here in washington, they were chasing people that turned out to be not involved in it. there were reports there were two or three other people on the loose. that turned out the be false.

and you just had one shooter in that event. and, you know, the hope is it's just one shooter in this event and that shooter has been contained or stopped. we don't know that positively yet. >> i want to let our viewers know that the president of the united states has been briefed on the situation. the president will be making a statement in just a few moments and as soon as he does we'll bring that to you live. here's the statement we have from the fort hood public affairs office. fort hood's directorate has a report the shooter is dead but unconfirmed. injured personnel are being transported to local hospitals. numerous local law enforcement agencies are in support and on the scene. the number of injured are not confirmed. no further details are known. the post is currently still on lockdown. very much of an ongoing situation. tom, we had seen and not been

able to confirm the number of injuries. but you were saying that you heard there could be 15 which may include the shooter who has been killed. >> i would like to add in a situation like this as evan perez mentioned earlier you have kind of a fog of war situation and oftentimes much of the information coming in to a command post or coming in to the headquarters, whether it's at fort hood or relayed back to the pentagon or fbi headquarters, oftentimes the initial reporting coming from the scene is inaccurate. there's just, you know, it's the way it happens that people are reporting things and not quite sure or the hospital may receive information to expect a certain number of casualties and it turns out maybe there are fire or maybe there are more. so, just like to clarify what i said that that's what i heard but doesn't mean it's true. >> i understand. general marks. >> erin, to tom's point exactly is in the military we always assume that the first report is always wrong.

taking that one step forward. what that means sue have to validate every piece of that information coming in before you act upon it. to tom's very point he's absolutely spot on. initial assessment is what we're hearing right now is provided as a spot report. there's significant work that needs done and we have to validate every piece of that >> you're hearing from fort hood themselves and base communication is tough and given the size we're talking about 50,000 plus people. >> the concerns of the families at the same time you're trying to get to the bottom of what's going on. >> let me just ask you, given the event that what happened nadal hasan back in 2009 where he murdered 13 people and tried to murder 32 others. are you surprised that something like this could happen again? >> yes. yes, i am. the military has learned an immense amount from what we saw took place at fort hood in 2009. and i would say that the command

climate at a place like fort hood and across the military is very attuned to post traumatic stress and the issues associated with a military at war for over a decade and continues to fight in combat today. we're very much atuned to that. we're not jumping to conclusion this is soldier on soldier but doesn't surprise me that an incident like this when you have a community that's been embroiled in this combat for so long might experience something like this again. >> seth, what is your perspective on this and, again, i want to make sure our viewers know we're awaiting the president of the united states who will talk about this situation any moment from chicago. >> erin, if you look over the last several years we had a number of incidents at military bases whether at fort hood where we're talking back in 2009, fort dix the location of a major terrorist plot, the navy yard

shootings. military bases have, even when i served in the military and spent a lot of time at u.s. bases in the united states and overseas, they do prepare for this now. this has become a reality of military bases today which dealing with issues like ptsd, dealing with people who have been as we saw with the navy yard distressed about work and being a target of terrorist attacks. they plan for this kind of stuff. they have emergency drills. people on fort hood we can expect are prepared for, to respond including the families in these locations to an incident like this. they've done the drills. >> we'll take a brief pause here as we're waiting the comments from the president and continue to work our sources in terms of what's happening with this active shooter situation. our coverage continues here on cnn.

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breaking news. we're awaiting a statement from president obama following a shooting at fort hood, texas. u.s. officials tells cnn a suspected shooter at the base in killeen, texas is dead.

there are multiple injuries. at this moment we can't confirm for you the number of those injured or their condition. but we do know that emergency crews are on the scene. we do know those injured individuals have been sent to local area hospitals including those on the base. people on the base told to shelter in place. told to close doors, stay away from windows. there's 40,000 military personnel on that base plus up to another 10,000 or so civilians. biggest single site employer in the state of texas and the shooting comes more than four years after major nadal hasan murdered 13 people at fort hood and attempted to murder 32 more. we have spider marks who spent four years living on that base and the former assistant director of the fbi and joined in a moment the chairman of the homeland security committee. general marks let me go to you here. you said something very significant. people talk about this base as the scene of that horrific

murder that nadal hassan committed at fort hood. you said you're surprised that something like this could happen on this base again. >> i am. i am. primarily because of the control and the command -- the control procedures and command climate that exists throughout the military and specifically those measures that were instituted post the shooting of india ha n hasan. we have a disciplined force. but at some point we'll figure out this may be personal in nature, this probably doesn't include military weapons, this is probably a couple of guys who got out of control and i want got way out of hand real quick because of the access to weapons. but they are probably not military weapons. >> that's an interesting distinction. i know you're saying you don't know. i want to emphasize to our viewers we know there are multiple injuries, multiple people shot. we're not yet sure exactly how

many. tom fuentes you said you thought that number could be up to 15 which does correlate with other reports i'm seeing out there right now. >> right. part of the reason for that report more than one medical facility was alerted to be receiving possible patients. so, you know, just the preparation of it it could be over preparation and they won't receive as many patients but the various medical centers have been alerted there may be patients coming to more than one medical facility. >> now -- >> that's routine. that's a routine process that's one place that tom just talked about. absolutely again spot on. darnell is the hospital there at fort hood and i want has all the functionality you would see at any large urban hospital. it's always a matter of routine to alert the other hospitals that are in bell county, in the vicinity of fort hood. >> one other hospital was receiving patients but, again, that's all we know at this time.

i want to bring in lieutenant with bell county sheriff's office. what can you tell us? >> right now still an active shooting situation on post. post is still locked down. our deputies along with state troopers are maintaining a perimeter, security situation to maintain the security of the post. fort hood is actively looking and engaged in the incident at this time. >> sir, let me ask you because you say active shooter situation, we've been reporting that as well. we reported that a shooter has been killed, neutralized. to your knowledge, is there just this one shooter and that person has been neutralized? >> i cannot confirm that. but even on these situations, you want to make sure that there's no other shooters, even though you may believe you just have one you still treat it as if you have multiple shooters.

do you confirm that you have no other shooters. so if they have one that they've taken down they still will be active to make sure there's no others. >> thank you very much, lieutenant. we appreciate your time. as we said sheriff's office aspen responding. we'll take a break. we're awaiting the president of the united states to make comments. also joining us here out front is the chairman of the homeland security committee. [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah.

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continues of the shooting situation in ft. hood, texas. you just heard a lieutenant from bell county sheriff's office saying they're still treating it as an active situation. let's get straight to evan perez with more breaking details. >> reporter: erin, at this point again some of the initial reports we're getting from the field, at least that are coming to law enforcement officials here in washington, indicate that this is not a terrorism incident. again this is something that is early indications. that is because in part they believe that this began as a soldier on soldier incident. some kind of disagreement perhaps between two soldiers. this is what led to this

incident. now this is again some of the early reports that are being sent up from the field to law enforcement official here in washington. and that is obviously these are -- the details obviously sometimes change as time goes on and as the officials learn more. as the bell county sheriff official said just now, they're treating it as an active shooter incident. that doesn't mean that they actually know that there's a second shooter or there's someone else who may pose any harm. this is something that they always do simply because it takes time to clear these buildings, to make sure there's no other threat present on this base. and so they still use the term active shooter because they have to make sure that everything has been cleared before they declare the threat to be over, erin. >> important to make that distinction. thank you very much, evan. i want to bring in now michael mccall, chairman of the house homeland security committee from texas. what are you able to tell us as

we've been able to report that there was a shooter here who has been killed, a soldier who shot others. tom fuentes, former assistant of the fbi saying perhaps 14 or 15 others. what more can you tell us? >> i just got briefed on this incident. 14 victims, four confirmed dead, including the shooter. possible shooter at large, suspect at large. so this is very fluid, very ongoing. we don't know the motivations at this time. i know the joint terrorism task force has not found any nexus or tie to terrorism, but it's too early to rule that out completely. and as you know, ft. hood has a history of jihadists trying to attack whether it's major nidal hasan or there's a second plot that was thwarted to kill soldiers at ft. hood and other

military bases across the country. we are not ruling out terrorism at this time. once again a very tragic incidents at ft. hood, 14 people at least right now reported wounded and four confirmed dead at this point in time. >> all right. so you're saying four confirmed dead which is the first, chairman, that we have heard that. you're saying you're sure of that from the briefing you've gotten. >> yes. this is from multiple agencies, including state and federal agencies. >> and that obviously brings the total to 18. you're saying the 14 wounded. do the four dead i guess let me just confirm with you, the four dead include the shooter? >> the four dead does include shooter. the name is ivan lopez, although that's not been confirmed at this point in time. they're still running background material on the suspect or on the shooter. i think what i'm concerned about is there is a possible second shooter out there. that means a conspiracy. and where is he at this point in

time. >> all right. chairman mccall, thank you very much. i just want to make sure again we haven't confirmed the ivan lopez name of the shooter. but again that's the latest that the chairman has from his briefings. obviously significant developments there. we have not yet confirmed them. but i want to make sure that we are updating you with the latest of what chairman mccall said he was briefed on, four confirmed dead, one of which is the shooter. 14 additional people injured at the shooting at ft. hood and the name of the shooter which he has been briefed on but not yet confirmed by cnn is a soldier named ivan lopez. our breaking news coverage of the shooting continues with john berman after this break.

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good evening, everyone. i'm john berman in for an eend cooper tonight. the shooter at ft. hood is dead. it is unknown how many people may have been wounded. there is still much we're learning at this moment, so much still in flux right now. we know this. officials tell cnn this is their initial assessment, this was a soldier on soldier attack. it was not, they say, terrorism. it was not terrorism, they say. this post you will recall the site of so much bloodshed, 13 people killed back in 2009. once again it is an