black box locators sweeping the ocean. is this just another shot in the deep? >> new details on the map who opened fire at ft. hood. more is revealed about his personal struggles as well. >> extreme weather. millions of people bracing for tornado outbreaks across the nation's midsection. we're tracking it all. your "new day" starts right now. >> good morning. welcome to "new day." it is friday, april 4th. 6:00 in the east. we do have break news. a pivotal moment in the search for flight 370. pinger locaters are now in the water in the race to find the black boxes below the surface of

the south indian ocean. remember, the shelf life for the batteries in these black boxes are about to expire. this comes as australia takes charge. let's bring in matthew chance live from perth, australia. matthew? >> reporter: thanks. we're in a new phase in the efforts to try and find malaysian flight 370. probes search beneath the search to find the missing airliner. today, the underwater search begins. two naval vechl vessels now on location scouring a 150-mile track. the unmanned underwater robot and black box detector, australian authorities say they're confident. >> the area of the highest

probability as to where the aircraft might have entered the water is the area where the underwater search will commence. >> reporter: but the "ocean shield" is working against time. >> we are now getting pretty close to the time when it might expire. >> reporter: today, australia announced they're a partner in the investigation with malaysia and they're taking the lead in the search. this as 14 aircraft and nine ships are on the lookout for large objects that may be related to flight 370. >> we're looking for something big. unfortunately all the leads we got from the satellites turned out to be other things. >> reporter: australian officials say they are hoping still to find some kind of debris from the missing

airliner. they still haven't found even a trace of flight 370. >> it sure seems it's all based on guess work still at this point. australian authorities admit the location they've chosen to certainly is based solely on the best data available. let's get back to will riply on a boat monitoring the "ocean shield." >> reporter: we know this search with the admission of this new high-technology is now an on going job. weather conditions fair today similar to what we're seeing here just off the coast of western australia. the search zone about 1,000 miles from where we are right now. this is what they saw. no white caps for searchers trying to get a visual spot of

some sort of debris. the weather has been so unpredictable. so searchers are doing what they can with the conditions that they're facing as they continue hunting for includes in the disappearance of flight 370. kate? >> thank you very much. let's bring in mary schiavo to talk more about this. also, david suici and the author of "why planes crash." good morning to both of you. a lot to work through again this morning. i have to say, i have a lot of questions for you guys and i'm not sure there are any answers at this point. so we now have this new specified track that these ships are converging onto search and to begin the underwater search. this wasn't going to be done until they had found something concrete, mary. why are they doing this now do you think? >> well, because they haven't

found anything concrete and they're very afraid and concerned that the batteries on the pingers may run out. they will know for a fact that the batteries will have died and never had a chance to put those pinger locaters in the water and go to work. no one would rather that those pingers just sit on the shore. >> that's absolutely right. the man in charge of the joint coordinating effort of this search, he said that this is the best area of highest probability as to where the aircraft might have entered the water. that's why they're going to be focusing their efforts there. we don't get a good sense of what they told us what they're basing this on. what do you assume they're basing this latest decision on? >> i think what they're doing, kate, is trying to narrow down the assumptions. they've accepted the math and

that it can work. as you vary the assumptions, it varies a few points along that track that it's on. it refines it a little bit more because you're ruling out certain speeds that the aircraft might have been. for example, if it's going 450 knots, it would be this point, 400 would be this point. when it shifts, it means to me they've exhausted those assumptions, not necessarily that they completed the search in those areas. let's go onto the next assumption and see what that brings us. bringing the search area up to the direction that it's going now. i'm pleased that those pingers are in the right place and moving forward. >> mary, there's a reason that they haven't deployed these assets quite yet. there are limitations to what they can do. does this feel like a hail mary pass at this point?

>> well, somewhat. certainly for the sake of the families and the sake of the investigation, you wouldn't want to not try it. yes, they didn't use them up to this point because they didn't have any debris field. without a debris field, it's a bit of a hail mary. sometimes, as the old saying goes, they'd rather be lucky. at least they have them in the water where the best information they have are. beyond that, there really isn't anything better you can do. >> the hail mary is probably fine at this point by many folks. the australians are also saying they're very unlikely to bring in another pinger locator at this time. why don't you throw five at this? wouldn't this also increase your chances? what do you think of that? >> i think it probably would. but at this point, the time's limited. all the assets they've asked for and put there are there.

i think they expected to have some kind of debris field at this point. at this point, the assets that are there -- we've got the wheels on the ground in other words. i'm encouraged by the fact that least we're moving forward with the investigation. >> the families are the ones who really need encouragement and answers. i want to lean on your expertise in that area. you represented families afterdy sasters. the families now asked to hear communications between the cockpit and air traffic control. the investigators have denied that request. what do you think of that decision? do you think that the families deserve to hear that at this point? >> yes, absolutely. i think they're mistaken in not giving the families all the information that they have. it's easy to sequester the families, put them in the room and play the tapes for them.

after september 2011, that was done. it was tough on the families and anyone could opt out, but almost everyone wanted to hear it because they want to know. and i think that's their number one desire, they just want to know. it could be handled very effectively and discreetly. by denying them that, they're going to have more and more questions and frustration. >> that's been one of the constants we've been hearing from the families from the very beginning of this. we'll be back with you. thank you. we have new information for you about the shooting at ft. hood. there are strong indications an altercation with another soldier is what sparked the violence. we're also learning more about the shooter and piecing together his past. george howell is live at ft. hood with the very latest. >> reporter: the more information we get about lopez,

the more you start to see these two personas juxtaposed together. investigators are looking at a mentally unstable man who went on a shooting rampage. they are saying it could shed light on the iraq veteran's motive. >> there's a strong possibility that that in fact immediately preceded the shooting. >> reporter: but officials say there's no indication he targeted anyone specifically. we also know lopez was undergoing a variety of treatments for depression and ptsd. doctors prescribing him ambien and anti depressants.

coworkers are in disbelief. >> he was one of my best soldier in the organization. >> reporter: lopez, his wife and their 2-year-old daughter lived in this apartment. >> he didn't seem like, you know, the type that would do what he did. >> reporter: another neighbor was with lopez's wife the moment she found out the shooter was her husband. >> she just broke down. i did what anyone else would do. i ran and i comforted her. >> reporter: around 4:00 p.m., lopez opened fire killing three and injuring 16. the gun purchased at the same gun shop where nearly five years ago, major nadal hau san bought his gun. >> you have to wonder, have we learned anything, what progress

was made. >> reporter: his mother says the death of her 37-year-old son hasn't sunk in. >> he was a good person. why would they shoot a good person that was helping them. >> reporter: three people killed and 16 injured. it looks like of those 16, all will survive the shooting. three of them were in critical condition, but we learned just yesterday that those three have been upgraded to serious condition. >> those families in that community grieving. make sure you take shelter if it gets gnarly out there. a veteran ap reporter is dead. an ap reporter wounded when an afghan officer opened fire when they were sitting in their car. reporter kathy gannon was hit

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welcome back to "new day." ft. hood, it's one of the most secure places there is. or is it? it's a legitimate question right now because of the combination of the community and the soldiers dealing with deployment. will that make it unsafe no matter what they do? these are all the questions that we're dealing with right now. let's dig into it with retired

major general "spider" mark. >> hi, chris. good morning. >> yesterday, we discussed that this seemed to have been an altercation between the shooter and someone else that got out of control. soldiers are going to fight. they're regular people. they're going to get into it with each other like anybody else. what is the protocol when something like that is going on? >> leaders jump in and say break it up, dudes. let's act like adults and let's get about the task. your emotions might be on the surface, but like anything else, if you -- if you're not mature enough to handle it, leaders need to jump in, break it up, go to your corners. we can settle this some other way. >> i ask because there's been a suggestion that it got out of control. so the question is, was there anybody there to stop it.

what does that really tell us? that's not telling us so much about the specific event, but it goes to the general question about whether or not these changes that were supposed to be put in place at ft. hood after 2009 were. there was a lot of red tape that came into play. what is your basis of understanding as to whether or not they did what they were supposed to do to make the place safer? >> the army and the military has this thing called a standdown. in an event like this, nidal hasan back in 2009, the army has a standdown and everybody gets involved. they try to figure out what went wrong. there are multiple results that come from that. it's a multi layered report. it's like crowd sourcing. i need to tell you, 2009, there

was a full court press to get it right. we were getting at particularly protect during that time. i don't think there was a budget issue that followed that that might have caused the folks at ft. hood to take a recommendation and put it off to the side a little bit. i think they jumped on that. and it was across the army. in this particular case, i think we're going to find out as you have a very troubled young man able to put a weapon, legally purchased downtown and bring it on post. because his car was registered, he was a soldier in good standing. the real issue is what was his mental condition. >> that's right. how are they checking, what's the responsibility of those people, and how are they able to communicate what they know to others. the military needs to work on

its ability to identify potential threats on basis. they should coordinate with the fbi to learn how to identify threats. have stricter vetting for people seeking access. there was a question on how well they were able to implement these. we have to do better at monitoring people that are mentally unstable to make sure there's a safety net there. >> absolutely. we've labeled it ptsd. is this a disorder or is this an illness or is this a wound? arguably, the military is -- when you're deployed, it's traumatic and it's stressful. do you have a very deep-seeded illness that needs to be addressed across the board? we have rules that are difficult to gain that access. in this soldier's case, this is

an example of where the system worked. he self-declared he had a problem. he was in the system. he was being evaluated. he was in the process. the protocol was wrapped around him. sadly, we couldn't accelerate the diagnosis so that it was post-traumatic something. it's important what we label things. >> we're going to talk to a forensic expert, a psychologist expert who worked on the hasan case about whether he thinks the period of review are adequate with what's going on in the military. this shooter, he was under evaluation for a long time for ptsd. this had been going on since 2011. >> right. >> so we're going to cover that side and see whether or not the safety net was in place. how that translates into what we know happens in the rest of society.

the suicide rate, yes it's during wartime. from 2004 to 2008, the rate has increased so many fold more than it has the rest of society. yes, it was during wartime. but that's something we have to deal with. you could look at this situation as a suicide. so we're going to be getting into those issues. one of the solutions is what i want to end with. there are going to be calls that the troops on base should have weapons and if they had, this would have stopped sooner with less bloodshed. do you agree? >> absolutely not. that would have exacerbated this. you would have had more casualties. folks driving by in their cars. i don't know who's making this recommendation, but let's have a conversation with him. no. bad idea. >> once again, the name guns galore. that's where the last shooter in

2009 got his gun. now it's happened again. not the gun store's fault because they didn't know, but something we have to deal with. thank you for the perspective as always. >> coming up next, the search for flight 370 expanding now below the ocean's surface. locators trying to detect the plane's black box are now in the water, but are they even close to where the missing jetliner went down. >> we don't know what she looks like. army officials won't even release her name. who is the woman being called a hero for doing what she did during the ft. hood shooting. [ female announcer ] you get sick, you can't breathe through your nose...

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welcome back to "new day." on this friday. it's half past the hour. let's take a look at your headlines now. the underwater phase for the search for flight 370 is now underway. they're hopeing to detect a signal from the missing jetliner's black box. as a reminder, it has been 28 days since it vanished. authorities are focusing on the mental health of the man who opened fire at ft. hood. lopez may have also had an argument with someone before the shooting. security procedures are coming into question now after the base's second shooting in just five years. search crews have pulled another body from the devastation in washington state. the death toll is now 30.

17 people are still missing. authorities say the debris is some 70-feet thick in some places. they say the slide was moving around 60 miles an hour when it hit the area. a major decision from the fda. regulators approved a handheld injector containing a drug that reverses the effect of hair win. it's kind of like the epi pen used to treat allergy attacks. quite an innovation. kate, over to you. let's get back to the underwater search for flight 370's black box. joining us for a closer look, jeff wise, cnn analyst. i want to talk about the fact that we not only continue the search from the air, but also now from the surface. it's important to remind our

viewers, the question's always asked, why can't they just find it. here's one reason. let's just lay out how vast the indian ocean is. you can fit both the united states and china in the indian ocean. this is an area where clearly the radar is not tracked. so with all of that in mind, what -- what -- talk to me about the challenges they're not only facing from above and now starting today, from below. >> really set a daunting challenge for themselves. we're not looking at the entirety of the indian ocean. we narrowed it down to this arc. but the arc is about the size of the continental united states. we've narrowed it down to something like the lower 48. huge, huge area. >> it's all based on guesswork. very educated guesswork, but

it's still just guesswork. >> well, that final arc is pretty solid. we have very good reason to believe it's on the section of a circle. part of it is in the indian ocean. right now, we're focusing on the southern part. that's the size of the continental united states. what they're trying to do today is narrow that arc down to a much smaller slice. you basically plug in assumptions about the speed that the plane was flying into this formula that inmarsat has come up with. they assure us it's very sophisticated. we're taking their word for it essentially. >> we have to at this point of course. >> right. >> we have seen the challenge over the past four weeks from above. >> right. >> but they're now also dealing with starting today, the challenges going below the surface. >> right. >> offer some perspective there. when you look at the depth, the average depth of this area of the ocean, it's ten empire state

buildings stacked upon each other. >> more than two miles deep. you can look at it that way too. once the pinger dies, you've got to get these remotely operated vehicles. >> this equipment also has limitations. the pinger locator can search to a max depth of 20,000 feet as i understand it. that's generally the depth that they're looking at. >> it's still functioning. >> but that's a huge challenge. >> right. normally the plan would have been find wreckage on the surface and then search under that spot. what they're doing is throwing a hail mary pass and saying, look, we don't have a narrow search area, so we're just going to go and throw those things in. it's a low probability strategy. >> does that give you any confidence that they will end up

finding anything? >> the find of language we're hearing from authorities has been changing in the past week. they started out confident in where they're looking. what we're hearing now is, it's a tough search, we might not ever find it, but we're going to try our best. >> i do wonder from your expertise, do you think it's more likely that they'll find something on the surface first or do you think below? >> absolutely. i mean, the problem with looking underneath the surface is your range of vision is so much less. you're talking about the scale of yards or maybe miles versus, you know, being able to see over hundreds of miles at a time. so your field of vision is so tiny that it's very, very difficult to find something, even if you have a good idea where you're looking. >> which we don't at this point. just how much the search area has moved over time, i find that

fascinating. yes, it will happen in any search in such a vast area. but it has changed quite a bit. with all of the changes that we've seen, i've also noticed we haven't heard much more about new satellite images. does that indicate anything to you? >> i think there's a lot of disappointment. we started out hearing every day about debris being found. we had a hard time locating that stuff on the surface. when we did locate it, it always turned out to be something else. so i think we've learned to not put too much into that. they have a lot more assets right there on the surface. it's an area easier to reach. there seems to be more of a if he kus of looking -- focus of looking at stuff from the air. >> with everything that we know, which is little, do you think it's smart that they're deploying these underwater

assets at this time. >> we want to be perceived as doing as much as possible. we don't put a on lot of stock in the chances of it working out. but we have the material, we might as well put it in the water and see what happens. >> a hail mary pass may be the only thing they have right now. we're going to take a break here on "new day." we keep on talking to you about this woman who's an mp who put a stop to the shooting at ft. hood. but who is she? we're learning more about this extraordinary soldier. we're going to tell you what we know. plus 20 million americans in the tornado zone. where are the storms headed, what do you need to do to stay safe? coming up.

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welcome back to "new day." there are many questions about the shooting at ft. hood. but one thing is certain. a female mp stood up to the shooter and stopped the violence. now we're learning more about this soldier who is certainly being called a hero this morning. cnn's brian todd has it for you. >> reporter: ivan lopez opened fire. he then walked into the transportation battalion building and fired again.

then moved into a parking lot. his destruction, while terrifying, could have been so much worse. >> she clearly performed her duty exceptionally well. >> reporter: officials at ft. hood won't release the mp's name, but they tell us she's likely with the 720th mp battalion. the base commander says she arrived in the parking lot four minutes after the first 911 call. they say lopez reached under his jacket and pulled out his gun. >> she saw that as a threat and engaged him with small arms fire. at which time the shooter did a self-inflicted gunshot wound. >> she stepped forward. >> philip carter is a former mp captain at ft. hood. carter believes she was a junior

enlisted person patrolling by here's. she had gone through weeks of training. >> you have to make a decision on the range as to whether or fire or not. >> reporter: philip carter says the mp who saw lopez is probably inexperienced. >> you're making the right call in a matter of seconds. it's incredible that she did what she did. >> reporter: carter said that mp will likely receive an award for valor. >> unfortunately with all of these situations, there's probably no way to know what motivated something like this. good to know there are people like that mp out there doing their job. >> she certainly stepped up and did the right thing. the big concern is going to be how do they build a safety net around to make sure they control circumstances before they get out of hand.

>> make sure something can be done. all right. a severe threat of storms today including the possibility of tornados cutting a really wide path from cleveland all the way down to atlanta. it could affect an estimated 20 million people. we want to get right over to indra petersons. really gusty winds even at ft. hood. >> take a look at the scene yesterday in north texas where people heard those tornado sirens sounding. people outside walmart were actually looking at funnel clouds forming in the distance. there were eight tornados reported yesterday and that threat is still out there even at this hour. there were eight tornados reported yesterday. but that wasn't the only concern. these strong straight-line winds are out there. and of course, the large hail that many people saw, especially out towards texas yesterday.

it is immeant right now. places like tennessee, alabama, even back in through texas. where you see those red boxes, that is a tornado watch box. where's the threat currently? as we go throughout the day, the cold front moves throughout the east. charleston all the way to natchez, that's going to be the area of concern today. four to 5 inches of rain in a short period of time. today, not as much of the rain. the system spreading farther to the east exiting off by the weekend. that's the one piece of good news we have. by no means should people take that lightly. >> definitely pay attention today. coming up next on "new day," what was the motive behind wednesday's deadly attack at ft.

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we're beginning to learn more about the soldier who killed three people at ft. hood this week and injured many others. a big question is possible motive. ft. hood's commanding general now says, unstable psychological condition is believed to be the cause. joining us now for more is a psychologist from the leap institute. he was the lead mental health expert in the 2009 ft. hood shooting case. it's good to have you here. thank you. the issue of mental health looms large. many of these shootings in society in general and, yes, specifically in the military because of what they're dealing with right now. is this a situation that you believe bears any fruit in terms of comparing it to 2009? is it worth even doing that? >> i think there's some comparisons. the problem with 2009 is i can't talk about the mental health evaluation i did on major hasan

because he pled guilty, hired attorneys, and there was no mental health evidence presented. there are things about how the military assesses and addresses mental health problems. we're talking about depression, anxiety, suicide. >> and all of those came to play in what we just saw unfold at ft. hood. the supposition is this, the military does it better than the rest of society. they have the safety net. they have personnel. he self-reported tbi. somebody wrote that down. started getting treated for depression and anxiety. seems like there's a lot of care. you say it's not as good as it seems from the outside. >> the reason i say that, i've interviewed people and like a lot of places that are utilizing things like online predeployment

forms, veterans will lie. i've treated veterans reporting to me homicide l thoughts, suicidal thoughts. they're not going to the va because they're concerned. this is not the military's fault. i don't criticize the military for this. but it's an unusual circumstance. if you're my psychiatrist, you can call my boss, you can call my commander. you should call my commander. so what i've seen is that there really is a bias to underreport. yes, he reported anxiety, depression, maybe symptoms of ptsd. that doesn't mean he reported, i'm thinking about killing myself. >> he underwent -- >> no. i heard what the base commander said that he had a full mental health evaluation. i'm paraphrasing. there's no such thing.

there is a standard of care comprehensive mental health evaluation which includes spending enough time with the individual that he will trust you to tell you what's really going on in. >> so i'm not going to give you the first time we meet? >> very unlikely. if he's really, really distressed, yes, it will come out because people are off guard at that moment. people will mental illness are not more violent. vets returning with ptsd are not more violent. let's talk about the system and what the army and the military are doing. i think they've improved tremendously. we can't say things like the mental health system was wrapped around him. we don't know that yet. that's what needs to be looked at very, very closely.

same issues -- >> why can't we -- i don't believe that acute focus on the military is warranted. i think shoour sure, they're probably falling short, but they have more in place than the rest of society does especially when you get to issues about who's allowed to have a conceal carry permit. seems like there's very poor communication on that level. even the nra is in favor of better communication between agencies trying to figure it out. >> you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. i agree with you in terms of services and funding that they have a lot more in face. what they're not funding and servicing is enough mental health care professionals and the ability to bring the veteran to -- or the active soldier who hasn't deployed to the services that are in place. it's not enough to have the

services in place. we have to do linkage, build relationships. the vet to vet programs are fantastic. they work very well. vets who go online and give talks and say, i suffer from thoughts of depression. >> that's within the culture that discourages it as you said. it's personally a problem for all of society, let alone when you're in a culture where being tough is at a premium. one of the reasons we're harping on mental health is while the rate of suicide in the military is actually lower than the rest of the population, the rate of increase is 80% higher. yes, that was measured during wartime. but that's a big problem. 20 a day, 6,000 a year. doctor, it's something we have to deal with and you have to ask whether or not the military is taking it seriously enough. >> it is a suicide.

there's no question. it is de facto, a suicide. he could have shot at the mp that you were just talking about in the last segment. he didn't point a gun at her. he pointed the gun at his head. that was a premeditated thought. >> you made a strong point early on, one of them was you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. representative has a bill to help people -- it's getting pushback. we're going to have him onto discuss it because that's the best we can do in a situation like this, try to use it as a continue due it to improve. >> absolutely. >> thank you for your perspective. we're going to keep getting into what happened at ft. hood. we're also going to get the latest in the search for flight

370. malaysia requested that australia lead the search for the missing aircraft. >> we cannot be certain of success. >> today, the underwater search begins. >> we've got so much equipment out there now. everything out there right now is 24 hour service. there may have been a verbal altercation with another soldier or a soldier. >> lopez was undergoing a variety of treatments for anxiety and ptsd. good morning welcome back to "new day." it is friday, april 4th, now 7:00 in the east. up first, we're going to go to australia, because they are taking over the search for flight 370. the mission is expanding this morning below the ocean's surface. why? they're using pinger locators in the water right now trying to detect a signal from 370's black box. it's focused on 150-mile stretch of the indian ocean as nearly

two dozen planes and ship continue their work above. let's bring in matthew chance in perth, australia. matthew? >> reporter: that's right. the new phase in this search for flight 370 with search teams moving under the water, probing the seas of the indian ocean, trying to find any trace of the missing malaysian airliner. the assets that they needed to do that, the two ships, they've now finally moved into place. it took them several days, if not longer to get there. now they're there, even though there's not a high degree of certainty of where the plane is, they're using their tracing technology to try and locate the the other reason is there's a race against time underway. the battery life on a pinger lasts about 30 days. it's been 28 days since the

malaysian airliner was lost. they have a couple of days left. it could last longer than that, but there's a certain amount of time pressure being felt. that's why this operation is being intensified, chris. >> australian authorities embarking on an underwater search based off what some say is just an educated guess. what are search crews facing this morning? let's get to will ripley. >> reporter: the coming hours and days are critical in this search because for the first time now, the search doesn't stop when the sun goes down. it's dark. the visual search is over for the night. but the audio search under the water will continue 24/7. that pinger locator is constantly scanning the area around it trying to find some sort of signal. as for the search tomorrow when

the 14 planes get back up in the area, weather conditions were fair today. as you know, the weather is highly unpredictable. just in the last hour, the winds have picked up. it's gotten significantly cooler and we've had rain on and off. what the weather will hold for crews in the coming days is very difficult to predict. but we do know for sure there are now more assets than ever searching for anything they can about the disappearance for flight 370. >> let's talk more about this. richard quest, host of "quest means business" is here to discuss. the search area has moved almost daily. let's throw that up here. on top of that, you're going to see the flight path as far as we know. now, you've got 150-mile track where two naval ships are converging to deploy these assets where they think ask

their best probability of the area where the flight has crashed. what do you make of the move today? >> what we've got to fundamentally understand is they are working with the best information they have. it comes from the six pings, the handshakes, the half handshake. if you look at the way it has moved down. it comes right the way down into the southern indian ocean. that is the best guess that they have. >> how best is it? >> it doesn't matter how best it is. it's all they've got. and they say they have a high degree of confidence, a high level of credibility. so the first search zone was down around here. >> right. >> then it moved a thousand or so up northwest slightly. in this area where it currently is located, now they believe they've searched it on the top and they found no debris. so now they're searching under the water, but that's a very

limited search. by the nature of the equipment, the pinger locate tore, it can only go very slow. so that is going to take a long time and is really, i would say to some extent, the last gasp effort before they know the pinger is going to stop transmitting. >> that's what i wanted to ask you. do you think this is based more on refining the data, refinin refining -- >> yes. >> -- the information they have or more of an issue of the time crunch they're facing? >> a bit of both. once the pinger has gone out of transmission, that's it. they've got it in the region from the ships there, so you might as well use it. this international group, the wib, the ntsb, the faa, they're all still up in kuala lumpur and malaysia with outposts in perth.

so they are refining the inmarsat data. but fundamentally, they are still working with the same basic information, unless there's something they haven't told us. we are left with no other conclusion than there is no other information. it is -- the radar data up here and the handshakes. >> as you well point out at this point, the search under the surface that they're going at, it's slow and difficult, it has almost more challenges than the above the surface search does because of the limitations of the technology. is it smart to be putting most or all of their eggs in this basket at this point? this seems like a hail mary pass. >> what else would we have them do? to some extent, i have been frequently put in the position of being on the defending side here. >> no, but you're being very --

>> i'll put it another way. if they did not use those finger pingers and they did not use the locator and the time was running out, we would be the first people to be saying -- >> why don't they put the pingers in the water. >> at least try, at least see. so what they're done and you've got to give them a certain amount of leeway in all of this. i'm one of those people who actually believes it's very easy from the armchair to say, well, why did they do that. actually, what they are dealing with -- tony abbott said it, the mansion prime minister said it, everybody has said it. this is unique. this is unprecedented. i'm going to use a phrase that may be a little uncharitable generally, they're making it up as they go along. there is nothing else to work with. it's here or it's nowhere. >> how long can you continue the search under the water?

it's slow, there are limitations and you're facing a time crunch. could they -- would you foresee them continuing that indefinitely? >> no, i most certainly wouldn't. it's slow, expensive, time-consuming. it's relatively fruitless unless you know where you are. they are hoping upon hope that they're going to strike something there. my guess is that the search continues at this sort of level for some period of time still to go, then it ratchets down. what happens then, all the experts come together. there will be several weeks and months of intense investigation, intense revision, intense looking at the next plan and then next year it all starts again. this is not over. it won't be over for a long time to come. it will just ramp up, go down. >> it seems we are at maybe the peak of the ramp up. >> i would say so.

my reason for saying this is look at 447. they did -- they came back and they went away. but here, there's such a massive amount of data -- lack of data to work on. let's turn to the violence at ft. hood. the big question, why did this man open fire and could it have been stopped. they say the shooter's skrik issues were a factor. let's start with george howell live at ft. hood. can you start with a new understanding of how this fight started. >> reporter: we are getting information about a verbal altercation that happened prior to the shooting that may have played part. investigators are certainly looking into that, as they are also looking into his mental health when it comes to anxiety

and depression. we understand that he was taking a variety of medications, chris. everything from anti-depressants to the drug ambien. we also know had was being evaluated for ptsd, but not officially diagnosed. this is all very out of character for people who knew this soldier. people describe him as a good soldier, a person with a lot of values. not the person that shot and killed three people, injured 16. three of the people in critical condition, we know, were updated to serious condition yesterday. >> that's good to hear, george. the information about people fighting their way through as victims. meantime, the pentagon is under pressure. secretary of defense chuck hagel says it's too soon to draw conclusions about safety. let's bring in barbara star. we just had on the mental health expert from the shooting in 2009.

he says it does not surprise him that it happened again. the place is too big the staff is too small. what are you hearing? >> chuck hagel says there's a problem here and that the pentagon will fix it. comforting words for military families, but what's the actual reality check here. this is the third major shooting event at a u.s. military installation in the last six months. the second one at ft. hood. recommendations from that 2009 shooting still being implemented at ft. hood. i've talked to a number of officials and troops over the last couple of days. it boils down, they say, to two essential issues. ft. hood, a hundred thousand people go in and out of this base every day. you cannot check every car or every person. if someone's going to illegally bring a weapon onto the base, there is going to be very little that can be done about it. you can do security checks and

background checks, but you cannot check that number of people. the mental health issue, very sensitive. the army itself says this man was suffering from psychiatric issues. they have come out and publicly said it. there are a lot of mental health services for the soldiers. many of them reach out. many of them do not. if this soldier went into town and legally purchased a handgun, which by all accounts he did, there may be very little the military can do to actually stop it. this remains a very difficult and challenging issue. hard to see how the pentagon can actually fix it. >> got to look at what exists there now and how it can be fixed. thank you. more big headlines for you right now. breaking news out of afghanistan. a veteran associated press photographer killed, an ap reporter wounded when an afghan police officer opened fire while those two women were sitting in

their car. reporter kathy gannon was hit twice. we're told the suspect is in custody. a staggering milestone from the syrian civil war. the number of syrian refugees has passed 1 million. accounting for almost a quarter of lebanon's uponlati -- popula. the three year plus conflict is over 2.5 million people. in just over an hour, we'll get a look at the march jobs report. analyst's surveyed, predict the economy added 213,000 jobs last month and that the jobless rate will drop to 6.6%. we'll see if they're right when we bring you those numbers live. and for the few of you whose brackets weren't busted, the

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back welcome back to "new day." another shooting. another investigation into a shooter's mental health. treatment that wasn't given or not properly sustained. is our nation's mental health

system hopelessly broken. our next guest is republican representative from pennsylvania, tim murphy. he's sponsoring the most sweepi sweepi sweeping over haul of our mental health system to date. let me first tap into your skills as a clinician in this situation. we learned about his background, that he has self-reported himself having tbi. we don't know what the collection of drugs were or how they were monitored. we do know he was going through an evaluation process for ptsd. they said he gave no sign during an exam last month that he was likely to commit violence. how does this shape up to you? >> that will be part of the

postmortem that i'm sure the army will look at. when we are treating someone with ptsd, there's a lot of levels you look at. you look at their background. you look at their social stressors. you look at the medication they're on. was it right, was it effect active. a lot of systems like ptsd can be misdiagnosed. that person on certain medications can increase the risk for problems, they have to be closely monitored throughout this whole process. he may have had problem care and didn't respond. all those things will have to be reviewed. >> sticking to the military aspe aspect, the suicide rate for veterans. yes, it's measured during wartime 2004 to 2008. but we're up to 20 suicides a day.

80% greater than the rest of society. it's an acute need. do we know how to deal with this and treat it? >> there's been a lot of eithers in the military. unfortunately, the studies have said it has the been working. you need a lot more training with people too. i don't think there's enough health professionals throughout the military to deal with their needs. some are people who are veterans that have left. there's big problems of follow-up care for them within the va system. we got to make sure it's thorough enough and enough people to do it. in this case, we don't know yet. >> there is no silver lining to what happened at ft. hood. it is an unmitigated tragedy. this is terrible. he has a wife. he has kids. however, the timing, sometimes

things may happen for a reason. you're holding hearing about a bill now that you say can fix this system that is hopelessly broken. 350,000 people who are mentally ill right now were housed in jails because there are only 35,000 beds available in the country as you well know. you can't hold people for more than 72 hours in most places without a hearing. you say you can fix these things. you have the helping families and mental health crisis act. >> it provides more training police so they don't enter the situation with someone mentally ill and get that person even more problems. we need to have more hospital beds. medicaid currently has a limit on that. when someone's in the middle of a crisis, they need a place to go. what happens now is they're brought into an emergency room.

they may sedate the person, tie them down where they remain for hours or days without getting into proper care. we have to make sure we have more psychiatrists and psychologists. we have to make sure participates have a closer role in being aware of the treatment of their teen or young adult person. instead of saying we will put you in involuntary commitment or in jail, we also need ways like they have in the state of new york with assisted outpatient treatment. it's something for people who are struggling to get them on medication, to get them care. we need those options available too. >> we know you're republican. we know you have 20, maybe more democratic cosponsors, but politics still at play. this bill should have been passed a long time ago. what do we know about what politics you're up against in

passing this bill? >> some are going to want to keep the status quo. i've been talking to a lot of my colleagues that i need to sit down with. people know we've got to do something. but like anything else, there's also misunderstanding on the bill. i'll have to help them get informed and up to speed on what's there. we can't keep going the same. we are failing as a country on this. we often times approach this in a third world way. i understand people have a right to be part of their care. when you have a lot of people who themselves may not even be aware that they have a problem, we've got to wrap our arms around them and help them through this. so some of the system has to be shaken up. >> some of the main pushback that's not political, because one part of your bill is going to start vetting programs and prove that they work before they start getting funding, you're going to get political pushback on that. we'll watch that part to make

sure it's a fair debate. >> sure. if you make somebody know they're going to be forced into care, then you'll chill people into coming forward. if you start ex-posing more about their medical condition to people, that's an invasion of privacy. what do you think of those two points of criticism? >> the hipaa laws are supposed to protect confidentiality. what we have is certain laws that protect privacy, but there's also regulations that go with it. they're oftentimes misunderstood. doctors aren't hearing the history. you can't diagnose a psychiatric condition without history. our law makes it clear and tweaking regulations when you can talk to someone and when you can't. we're into helping that be better, not breaking confidentiality.

that's 1% of the population. when someone's headed down the road to having problems, we don't want to wait until they're about to kill themselves or someone else. in new york, it's been very effective to reduce incarceration, homelessness and hospitalization by 70 plus to 80 plus percent. >> sounds like a great bill. we encourage everybody to read it for themselves. they can get a lot of information about it online. we will watch the politics of it. it's got to move forward. we need to do better. this situation proves it. thank you for joining us. we're going to have your lead forensic psychologist on the show today to make the clinical case for why he believes this needs to happen. >> thank you very much. coming up next on "new day," as we've been discussing this morning, the search for flight 370 now moves underwater.

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good to have you back with us here on "new day." here's a look at your headlines. a pivotal moment in the search for flight 370. pinger locators now deployed

beneath the surface of the ocean. they're focusing on a 150-mile target zone. the flight disappeared about 28 days ago. the commanding general at ft. hood says psychological conditions for specialist ivan lopez are believed to be a factor. lopez also may have had an argument with someone before the shooting. security procedures are coming into question now after the post's second shooting in five years. an update to a story we have been following very closely. a rally today calling for justice for georgia teen kendrick johnson. an initial autopsy ruled his death an accident. but a second autopsy commissioned by his family blamed apparent accidental blunt force trauma. one of saturn's moons as a

big secret. enceladus has an ocean. >> how do they know? >> it could be capable of having ice and it could be about 6 miles deep. >> vacation. >> just saying. >> isn't that a disease? >> enceladus. clarity, my friend. time for a little application. let's go to application on "new day" with john king. i didn't want to mess up the title of your segment. >> i was about to take her advice and go on vacation. we'll be back with you in a few minutes. let's go "inside politics." one hour from now, we get a big report from the government, the latest jobs report. democrats think politically this could be a good day for them and

the end of a good week for them. let's lay it out this way. look, it's only april. the election's in november. democrats think the obamacare numbers were better than expected. if you look at the president's approval rating, he was at 39% state of the union week, now he's at 45% of the gallop tracking. are the democrats in a less bad position than they were a month ago? >> less bad is a really great way to put it. if this number is not good, that puts m democrats in the position to defend a president that's rather unpopular, and the health care law and the economic recovery. that's not a position you want to be in november. particularly if you're looking at the landscape. there are a lot of places where, frankly, the president isn't popular.

that's not a record you're going to want to have to defend. >> is it false hope? systems aren't saying -- democrats aren't saying we're going to win this year. maybe we lose only five or six house seats. >> it's all about stemming losses at this point. they know in the senate they start out down in the bank a couple of seats. it's a matter of how many can they lose and still keep the majority. nobody believes the house is actually in place at this point anymore. the health care news especially is crucial for this party. not just because it proves that this law is actually working, it helps democratic morale. >> let's move on. let's look even a little bit more forward, potentially to the

2016 political climate. hillary clinton was at a forum last night in new york. tom freedman with the new york times was the great moderator. about a week or so, hillary clinton was saying she was skeptical that the iranians would get to the finish line in the nuclear negotiations. if they get there, it's clear she wants a little bit of credit. >> there is a double standard obviously. we -- we have all either experienced it or at the very least seen it. and i think in many respects, the media is the principal propagator of its persistence. >> that was hillary clinton there. the wrong bite saying that there is a double standard in the media. >> imagine that, john. >> let's start ladies first with the iran part of it. she says -- there's a whole

chapter if her book about this. she knows she's most likely going to run for president. she knows that people are going to scrub her record as secretary of state. on iran, skepticism a week ago. here she seems to be saying, if this works, i get some of the credit. >> it's one of the things i've been personally fascinated by. at the same time, you have her successor secretary of state john kerry sitting there. i have to wonder how he feels about all of this. she does want to be tied to that success. foreign policy could be a big driving force in the 2016 election. if you're hillary clinton, secretary of state her most recent office, you want a piece of that. >> is it trying to have it both ways to say i'm skeptical they'll get there, but if they do, they got to the table in part because of me?

>> but that's politics though, right? >> no. >> i think it's also the sort of first start of what's going to be a really robust pushback campaign this summer and fall when her book comes out to combat the notion that it did not have accomplishments. >> you can't really hear the question. asking will there some day be two women presidents. now let's look backwards a little bit at the george w. bush presidential center this morning, there's a big event. a new exhibit goes on display. george w. bush's paintings. i talked to him about this when it opened. listen to him here in a today show interview discussing his new life as an artist. >> what do you think their

reactions will be? >> i think they're going to be, wow, george bush is a painter. i'm sure when they heard that, i look forward to seeing the stick figure he painted of me. >> there you see the vladimir putin image right there. >> it's a very severe picture. >> i don't think i could do any better. don't hand me a paint brush, please. >> as a politician, he always benefited from extremely low expectations. he would say people constantly underestimated him. what do you think of the post-presidency life of the artist? >> my colleague has an article today about this season of rehabilitation for past presidents. they're having a second look now for a variety of reasons. for this president, it is because he found a new life as a painter. it is rich because to wrap on george w. bush as this guy an

uncultured cowboy. here he is working in oil. how about that. >> i remember the trip. he was in and out in 45 minutes. i was like that's impossible. does it help his image? most on the conversation about him is about the iraq war and the wartime presscy. is this is kinder, gentler george w. bush. >> these aren't paintings of landscapes and bowls of fruit. we did see more interesting paintings come out of him.aged this my own way. i think it's really fascinating that he's chosen to come out in this way. >> i want to give the former president some credit. i hope democrats will as well. he said it's important that we

stop calling it ptsd, disorder. if you call it a disorder, you're discouraging the veterans from getting the help they need, telling them there's something wrong with them. i think we should give him credit for that. as we get back to new york, you ever show up at the wrong office? >> not recently. >> ever shown up at the wrong office? >> member of the united states senate, dan coates. >> i'm at the wrong hearing. >> oh, okay. >> i've got the right room number, but the wrong hearing. >> i saw some familiar faces. >> i hope it's not a precursor of what may -- >> republican of indiana. we're not known for our sense of direction, i'll just say. at least he's an honest man.

that's also a quality of people from indiana. when he realized, he left. >> transparent there. maybe he needs to follow advice and have a little vacation. >> they take plenty of vacation as we well know on capitol hill, though. i'm so glad you talked about that moment. i have been wanting to talk about that all morning. >> at least he was trying to work. >> there you go. we're looking at the positive side of things here. great to see you. let's take a little break. when we come back, a new phase of the search for flight 370 now underway. we're going to hear from the u.s. navy commander. and also ahead after wednesday's shooting at ft. hood, we're going to check in on those who were injured. we're going to take you to the hospital where they're being treated. ♪

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>> we've been hearing about finding the hay stack before we look for the needle. essentially this tpl is like looking for the needle correct? >> that's correct. it's designed to hear the pings on the black boxes. >> is it too soon to have this kind of great technology in the search? >> i wouldn't say it's too soon. i'd say that right now is the appropriate time to put this system in the water based on the information we know. okay. the -- the search area that's been identified is completely reliant upon the handshakes that occurred with the inmarsat satellites and the aircraft. so based on calculations performed by the australian transportation safety board and the australian maritime safety authority supported by a slew of

other organizations and corporations to do these estimates, they've kind of predicted where they think the aircraft was tracking right before it was lost. so that -- >> this is the 250 kilometer track, i understand, within that 84,000 nautical square mile area of the search zone, correct? >> that's correct. what we've done is gone ahead and positioned the ships along that track. and the australian defense vessel "ocean shield" is going to track down the course that we think that the aircraft was on at the time of loss. am i confident it will work? it's better than searching nowhere. it's the best information we have right now. certainly, i'd like to see some surface debris so that we can kind of also confirm or add confidence to the areas that we're searching in.

>> obviously, the air support is looking for visually spotted debris. also, we know satellites are being adjusted to look at that area so we can find that debris as well. i think there is concern about the fact that the search area has moved several times. we've been told that it's a reanalysis of data. you still say, though, that you're hopeful. are you confident that this mystery will be solved? >> i can't be confident yet. there's too -- certainly too many unknowns. i will tell you though that if the pingers are working and within range of the toad pinger locator, we will detect it. it's a -- you know, the specific frequency we're looking for and a repetitive signal every second. it's something that we're not going to have a false report on. it's something that we're going to hear if it's active. however, there's -- there's other concerns i have.

one, we haven't gotten confirming information to say that, yes, we're looking in the right area. two, there's always the chance that the pingers themselves have been damaged and are not emitting like in the case with air france flight 447. >> sure and we recognize those concerns along with you. add to that the urgency. we know it's day 28. estimates 30 to 45 days on the batteries of those pingers is about the life expectancy. we're getting close to the wire here, sir. >> that's certainly correct. but the tow pinger locator is the device you want right now because it has a much greater detection range than what the next search item would be which is a side scan sonar system. >> an important tool in this multi national effort to find this missing jetliner. thank you so much for speaking

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investigators are continuing to search for answers in this week's shooting rampage at fort hood. three people died when an army

specialist opened fire. 16 people were injured and rushed to local hospitals. dr. matthew davis is the doctor treating some of the wounded. i know you're busy. thank you very much for taking the time. >> my pleasure. thanks for having me on. >> of course. you originally received nine patients is my understanding. can you give us an update on their conditions? >> right. so we had nine patients show up here originally. we've been very fortunate. six of the -- five of those have actually gone home now. six will go home this morning. he stayed late last night due to some testing that went a little bit late. we have three others that have been listed in serious condition. we're upgrading them this morning to fair condition. clear to say they're still in the icu and they have a long road ahead of them but they've been stable. one of them is off the ventilator and one is expected to come off the ventilator this morning. >> we of course have to be cautious. that is wonderful news.

those three, as i understand, were listed in critical condition, updated to serious, updated further to fair condition. can you describe kind of the range of the injuries that these patients have faced? >> sure. these three patients have suffered the most grave injuries of the ones that have come here. the injuries have been to the spine, the neck and the abdomen in each of those patients. >> and i know you'll be careful when i ask you this and i want to be careful as well. do you expect at this point, can you say you expect a full recovery or at least that they're through the woods and you think these injuries are no longer life threatening? >> i don't believe anything is life threatening right now. we have issues with long-term disability, perhaps, in one or two of the patients. a little bit of time before we'll be able to tell that for sure. i will say they've all been improving. that's been encouraging to see. i think that one of the them for

sure will go on to have a full physical recovery. as we mentioned previously, we're concerned certainly with the emotional and mental status going forward here with such a traumatic event. >> i don't think that can be overstated, what they'll be dealing with for years to come. in terms of i guess also the emotional recovery, what kind of physical rehabilitation and recovery do you see for these patients? how long of a road do they have? >> well, these three patients will have the longer road of all of the ones that have been here in terms of their physical rehabilitation. that will begin here in the hospital, their physical therapy services, their occupational services and may continue even in an out-patient rehabilitation setting for a couple of them. the army has some built-in resources for that as well. will be tapping into those avenues as we move forward and then we'll also need to engage, as we mentioned, in spiritual support and through the form of the army chaplains and psychiatric support systems as

well for treatment of such a traumatic stress type disorder. >> doctor, i can only imagine the conversations, if at all, have been brief with these patients. have the patients told you anything in your conversations with them about what happens, what they saw? >> yeah. i think they've mentioned very brief things to me. i've had small bits of story. you know, i know they've been speaking more thoroughly with the military police and the investigators from the military. you know, what i've heard is that it was in the workplace and it was a very sudden thing. just a very shocking moment for all of them and i think clearly very terrifying. the young men and women that i've spoken with it seems as they began to came out of the initial hours of this became somewhat emotional. this is a very difficult thing to have to live through. i'm certain they're reliving it during their waking and sleeping hours right now. >> no one would ever imagine that this would happen in their workplace, and no one could ever imagine that this would happen

twice in their workplace. what did -- what was your first thought? you were there in 2009 during the 2009 shooting massacre at fort hood. what was your first thought when you heard then this week that you were going to be receiving patients from another mass shooting at fort hood? >> well, a little bit of disbelief, i think. we weren't -- whenever i first started to get the phone calls about this, you know, you don't know this is something that's just being reported or if it's actually real. when it became more real we were just kind of in shock that something like this could happen again, especially this level of magnitude with this many people involved. you know, that kind of shock and disbelief, and it quickly turns into resolve to get the job done whenever the patients show up. we have a great team here. great docs at darnell. the paramedics did a great job in the field and i'm proud of the surgeons and nurses that i

work with who turned to some resolve and got these patients taken care of quickly. >> one final question. from these two experiences that your staff has had to deal with, are they similar in the injuries, where the injuries are in these patients, or is this something different about the patients that you're dealing with in this shooting versus in 2009? >> what i can say about that, i think when you have a mass shooting of this kind of nature or of the one in 2009, types of bullet wounds are difficult to really categorize or describe really because people are moving, they're running. it's a very chaotic scene. you know, so unless you have a true trained professional marksman, there are going to be bullet wounds all over. it's just kind of random firing. from my experience, i'm not obviously a military or police investigator, but they tend to be random. they were different caliber bullets from the previous episode compared to the one we had this week. both are destructive and we

certainly saw some very grave injuries from both. >> we can just look at the positive right now, that the patients that you're working with are improving as we speak. dr. matthew davis, thank you so much for your time. a long road ahead for everyone in that community, but i know everyone will want to thank you for your hard work. thank you so much. chris? >> good news. we've got to take it where we can find it. let's take a break now. when we come back on "new day," the search for flight 370 moves underwater. the pinger locator now searching for any sign of the plane. we're going to take you live to australia and bring you the very latest. polar vortexes, road construction, and gaping potholes. so with all that behind you, you might want to make sure you're safe and in control. ford technicians are ready to find the right tires for your vehicle. get up to $120 in mail-in rebates on four select tires when you use the ford service credit card at the big tire event.

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good morning and welcome to "new day" "once" again. it is friday, april 4th, 8:00 in the east. after 28 days of searching the surface of the indian ocean, the hunt for flight 370 has gone underwater. >> high tech listening devices are being deployed across a 150 mile search zone. maybe it's just a shot in the deep, but it could be the last best hope of finding the missing plane. let's bring in matthew chance live from perth, australia. matthew. >> reporter: chris, thank you very much. new phase in the search for

malaysian flight 370. looking beneath the surface of the indian ocean in a race against time to find the missing airliner. today the underwater search begins. two naval vessels now on location scouring a single 150 mile track in the new search area. the ships outfitted with the u.s. navy's unmanned robot and black box detector. australian authorities say they're confident in their refined search zone. >> the area of highest probability as to where the aircraft might have entered the water is the area where the underwater search will commence. >> reporter: but the ocean shield and hms echo are racing against time as the batteries powering the black box pinger are expected to run out any day now. >> we're now getting pretty close to the time when it might expire. >> reporter: today australia announced they're a partner in the investigation with malaysia

and they're taking the lead in the search. this is 14 aircraft and 9 ships are on the lookout for large objects that may be related to missing flight 370. >> we're looking for something big and unfortunately all the leads we've got from the satellites turned out to be other things. >> reporter: australian officials say they're still hopeful they will find some debris from the malaysian airliner on the indian ocean but after 28 days consecutively looking for this aircraft there's still not even a trace. >> matthew chance, thank you. let's bring in mary sciavo and david soucie. the author of why why planes crash." a former faa inspector to talk about this. david, what do you make of this move announced by the search

effort, that they're now moving it underwater? >> i think it's about time. i think it's wonderful. i think that a couple of things that are includes to me. one is they haven't found any debris. he said, we're looking for a large object. what that tells me is they've concluded somehow that the aircraft isn't in a lot of pieces, there's not going to be a lot of debris, so they're looking for something under the water. they're looking for a more complete hull of the aircraft, and that makes sense to me. that makes a lot of sense to me. how they're doing it makes great sense. they're doing 24-hour shifts now. they have machines on the ground, on the ground, on the water, doing the work 24-hour day now. i'm encouraged with where this is going now. i really am. >> mary, i want to get your assessment because to this point we've been told this technology, underwater robots, are not going to be deployed until they have narrowed it down and they have

something concrete to work with. they seem to be deploying it in the absence of that. >> right. it also gives us a little clue as to what they are thinking since they didn't find a debris field and they are searching in what they believe from the pings are the best areas in which to search for a debris field. their thoughts have turned to the idea that the plane has entered without a massive breakup and there won't be a large debris field. in that case if the pinger has died or will die, they have a big object to look for. if you have to rely on side scan sonar and other ways to find the object, it's very helpful to find a big object and they believe it's largely intact. i think it gives us a better clue of what they're thinking and gives us better hope for what they're trying to find if you don't have a ping. >> mary, does that surprise you, that clue that they might be leaning towards saying that it stayed largely intact and there

isn't a large debris field. anyone from the outside would say when it hits the water it has to break up. >> well, most of the time it does. you know, water, when you are jumping in it, it doesn't feel hard. a plane falling from a high altitude obviously is like hitting cement but there are rather, rather occasions, not many, where a plane can actually come upon the water, i don't think it landed, but i think it could have settled upon the water. the 777 is a tough plane. it does have some composite parts but i think it's a process of elimination. they probably aren't saying they know anything to tell them that it entered the water and stayed in one piece, but since they don't have a debris field, it's the next logical assumption. >> and richard quest put it pretty well, david. he said, what other option do they have? we'd be here criticizing them 28 days in if they hadn't thrown everything they've got at it. do you think this indicates that they're reaching the end of their options in this search?

>> well, i mean, what would you have them do? have that equipment out there and not use it? i mean, it wouldn't make any sense not to. every day that it's looking, every place that it's looking eliminates that area. so regardless of how large this area is, you have to start. you have to start moving forward and doing this. there's ebbs and flows with every investigation. this is a flow. this is where it's going. there's just an energy that changes with every investigation i've ever done and at some point the synergy begins to happen. everybody starts working together. you get some energy going and typically that's when you find something so, again, i'm very encouraged. and those leading the search also described this as the area of highest probability. this many days in, how unusual, david, would you describe it that they're working off of such little data, at least that they've revealed publicly, that they're working with such guesswork? >> well, to me it's not guesswork. you know, we've been going back

and forth about this. they've ruled out things. they've ruled out certain assumptions and the more assumptions you rule out, the more specific even the same assumption -- same math can be. so if you look at the pings and where they're locate and then you take away the assumption of 450 miles an hour, you take away the assumption of 35,000 feet, search in those areas, you say, wait a minute. let's say that didn't work so let's go to the next one. the next assumption is 400 miles an hour. the next assumption is 275 at 12,000 feet. let's look there. so, again, they're narrowing it down. they're not narrowing it down necessarily by searches, they're narrowing it down by probabilities. the closer you get the fewer options there are and the more chance for success. that's where they're getting. >> no matter the probability, guesswork, whatever we're going to call it. that they're coming upon something soon.

>> chris? kate, let's get to the latest in the shooting at fort hood. new this morning there are strong indications that the shooter was involved in an altercation with another soldier in the moments before he opened fire. we're learning more about the shooter's past including issues of mental health that could have led to the violence. let's get to george howell from texas. george. >> reporter: chris, good morning. the more information we get about lopez, you start to juxtapose the two personas. soldiers that knew him knew him as a good soldier, but they're painting the picture of a mentally ill person who went on a shooting rampage. officials are now looking into the moments before ivan lopez set off on a shooting ram pain at fort hood. >> there may have been a verbal altercation with another soldier or soldiers and there's a strong possibility that, in fact, immediately preceded the shooting. >> reporter: but officials say

there is no indication he targeted anyone specifically. we also know lopez was undergoing a variety of treatments for depression and anxiety and ptsd. doctors prescribing the 34-year-old medication, including the drug ambien and antidepressants. those who knew him say lopez was an extraordinary human being with lots of values. co-workers are in disbelief. >> one of my best soldier in the mobilization. >> reporter: lopez, his wife and their 2-year-old daughter lived in this apartment. one neighbor says she spoke to him just hours before the shooting. >> he didn't seem like, you know, the type that would do what he did. >> reporter: another neighbor was with lopez's wife the moment she found out the shooter was her husband. >> she just broke down and i did as i would do anyone, i ran and i comforted her. >> reporter: around 4:00 p.m. lopez armed with a .45 caliber

handgun opened fire. the gun was purchased at the same gun shop where nearly 5 years ago major nadal hasan killed 13 people at the same place. >> you have to wonder five years later, have we learned anything from the shooting incident that happened with us? what progress has been made? >> sergeant timothy owens, one of wednesday's victims, was working as a counselor when he was shot and killed. his mother says the death of her 37-year-old son still hasn't sunk in. >> he was a good person. why would they shoot a good person that was helping out? >> reporter: of the 16 people who were injured in this shooting, some hopeful news here. we learned that the three people yesterday who were in critical condition, they've been upgraded to serious condition but, again, you know, very difficult. very tragic situation here on this base when you consider what happened just five years ago happened again. >> a little bit of positive news at a time when so many people

need answers. george howell, thank you for that. some other big headlines starting in eastern afghanistan. a veteran associated press photographer is dead. a reporter is wounded after an afghan police officer apparently targeted the women while they were sitting in their car. the a.p. says anya niedering house was killed and we're told the suspect is in custody. a live look at storm damage in north texas. tornado touched down in hopkins county thursday. you can see pieces of debris. homes ripped away. debris tossed around. other parts of the south were hit by heavy rain and hail. we're told as big as baseballs. more storms, perhaps even tornadoes are in the forecast today for parts of the eastern u.s. 20 million people could be affected. a german sky diver was killed during a 222 person jump in arizona. the group was going for a world

record when 46-year-old diana paris fell to her death. apparently her main chute malfunctioned and she was too close to the ground for her backup chute to save her. the team says they'll try to complete the same jump. they want to keep the woman's spot open in the formation to honor her memory. search crews have pulled another body from the mudslide in washington state. the death toll is now 30. 17 people remain missing. authorities say the debris is 70 feet thick in some places. some scientists think the giant wall of mud and debris was moving around 60 miles per hour when it hit that area. 60 miles an hour, 70 feet deep in some areas. you can see what arduous work it has been. >> we keep covering it, but i still feel like it's not being covered enough. i still feel like what's being dealt with there is much more extreme than people realize and it's going to last for months and months. >> especially when you see that information about what they're up against.

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can you imagine being forced to run for your life and take cover when some madman is shooting up a facility and you know that he's been trained to

use a weapon. our next guest knows all too well the horrors fort hood endured this week. sergeant howard ray saved nine people during the shooting there in 2009. his acts earned him the army commendation medal. now he says he and his brothers at arms, if they had been allowed to carry weapons on base, both shootings would have had better outcomes. sergeant howard ray joins you now. sarnl genl sergeant, first, thank you for your service. >> thank you, chris. >> no, the pleasure is ours. give people a reminder of what you dealt with back in 2009. >> back in 2009 we dealt with a terrorist that came in and murdered 13 men and women. my actions that day basically stemmed from having to run from the gunfire that ensued after he opened fire on our men and women in arms and our civilians that day. >> now you feel very strongly

that if you had been allowed to have a weapon that day, if soldiers in general were allowed to have weapons, a shooting like this would not have as horrible an outcome. why? >> why? first of all, we as soldiers are trained very well. myself that day of the fort hood shooting, i had extensive private training aside from my army training. thousands of dollars, hundreds of hours of training and i could have effectively taken that target out as it should have been and eliminated so we didn't lose a possible six others brothers and sisters in arms this day. the truth of the matter there were people the other day here at fort hood that were in that same situation that, you know what? guess what? they're going to live with what i have to live with the rest of my life. that's i could have saved my brothers and sisters that day but i was unable to. >> first sergeant, just allow me to say that any objective person would point out that you went

above and beyond the call that day and if you're going to carry memories, they should be that you saved lives, not that you were unable to save lives. i hope you know that about yourself. when you're talking about the gun issue in general, obviously there's not going to be a system that values the use of a weapon more than the military, and they seem pretty insistent, your commanding officers, that you shouldn't have weapons on base. why do you think they believe that? >> well, i'll point to something that the d.o.d. had put out yesterday and it's partially a funding issue as far as training and extra weapons and ammunition goes. the thing about it for me is it's a pretty sad thing that we're going to put a dollar value on the lives of our men and women that protect this country. we spend money, you know, in our government on lots of wasteful things and i don't think it's wasteful to train our soldiers to protect themselves or their

families and the soldiers and civilians around them. >> and yet the military though pushes back very hard on this issue, sergeant. they say the more people who are carrying weapons on base like this, the more chance for violence. that during a shooting like this you have increased chance for cross fire and unintended victims and they took very significant steps after 2009 to point out guns on base aren't the answer. they obviously came up with a lot of other directives. what do you think the difference is between your perspective and the management of the military? >> well, my perspective is the real world perspective. i've been there. nobody at the fort hood shooting this week or back in 2009 was better off unarmed. if you can find someone that will actually come forward and tell me that they were better off, i would like to silt down and have a very genuine conversation with them about where their morales are. the second part to that is, you know, you look at things like

our own concealed handgun data here in the state of texas. we have 17 years of data that our concealed handgun license holders here in the state of texas are law abiding citizens. in fact, they're 15% more likely to obey the law than the average citizen. now you extrapolate that on to our soldiers, are you saying that you can't trust our soldiers? everything that was put out in that regard as far as more violence, these are actually talking points that have been around from the anti-gun crowd for a really long time and, frankly, they're simply not true. >> one thing we know for sure is that one holder of a concealed weapon permit couldn't be trusted and he was a soldier and he wound up doing a lot of harm. luckily he didn't do more. let me get your take on two different issues, sergeant, while i have you. pts, post traumatic stress. i think i'm going to drop the d. i agree with former president bush and a lot of people associated with the military. do you believe it's

underreported? do you think that they're afraid or embarrassed with coming forward with many of the wounds that they still carry? >> well, you know what, as a combat soldier, you know, there's a lot of things that we do in a zone of combat that we have to deal with that really kind of lead us to not want to speak about these things. and what really needs to happen is not so much at the army level but at the unit level we need to make it okay for soldiers to seek the help and do what they need to do and not be frowned upon like they're not a part of the team and often that's what happens. now i will say this, that there's plenty of studies out there that indicate that those with any type of mental illness, except for severe dementia and that type, are more likely to be victims of violent crime rather than actually perpetrate the crime and there's also such a variety of ptsd that we have to deal with. i mean, there's people that have

ptsd because they lost a loved one. then there's people that have that, post traumatic stress, because they've seen some very, very horrific things in their life. and very, very traumatic experiences that keep them not able to function, and that's -- you know, that's a big variety there. we can't make a blanket statement with post traumatic stress, too. >> understood and we'll be careful about that as we go forward. there's so many of your brothers and sisters that have survivor's guilt as well that winds up manifesting as post traumatic stress. we also know that you care very much that the families of the victims involved in 2009 didn't get enough support and you want to make sure that doesn't happen again. we will stay on that issue. we will follow how the families are treated. please feel free to come forward and let us know what you find out along the way, sergeant. thank you for your perspective. appreciate having you on "new day." >> well, thank you. always keep the families in your prayers. >> we will.

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at the white house. last night he met with congressional leaders to discuss the crisis in ukraine. former president george w bush will unveil two dozen never before seen paintings at his presidential library in dallas. the exhibit is expected to include portraits of former british prime minister tony blair and russian president vladimir putin. we always update the five things to know. be sure to go to "new day" cnn.com for the very latest impressions. we're back with some breaking news this morning. it is jobs friday. i'm going to call it. the labor department has just released the march jobs report. chief business correspondent christine romans is here to look at the numbers. good to see you. the expectation right now is? >> 213. the number came in and it's 192, michaela. >> what they say on the street is light. a lot of people wanted more than 200,000 jobs created. the chatter this morning was

anything under 200 would be a disappointment. the forecast was 6.6% but 6.7% unchanged is the unemployment rate. basically you have a labor market slowly healing. >> this is disappointing but it's holding solid. >> it is. last month, 175,000 jobs were created. look, you know, i mean, this is better than last month. >> sure is. >> it is a bit of a thaw. this shows the labor market that is still healing, that is still working for people, some people but not for the long-term unemployed. that number has been pretty stubborn. >> talk to us about this graph. in terms of the recovery, what are we looking for? >> we saw professional business services. for the bulk of the jobs, the majority of jobs in america are jobs that pay under $20 an hour. think about that. jobs that pay under $20 an hour and as we've been pulling out of this hole, digging out of this hole, this is what that hole looks like right here. this is the recession and the crash and this is where we are.

we're trying to get back to where we were. you've had new immigrants, people graduating from college. that's what the number sits at, 192,000 new jobs were added. >> 192,000 jobs added. we still had this two-speed recovery for people out of work for six months or longer, still very rough. for people in professional business services, jobs are important. construction starts to add jobs, you want to see a diverse kind of jobs added until now. we just looked at a bunch of labor statistics this week, the labor department gave them to us. you've got 81 million jobs that pay less than $20 an hour in this country. those are not the jobs that are going to propel the economy. we need more and better paying jobs. >> see that number going up but this is better than the month before. >> christine romans, thank you. chris. out at the white house yesterday came a statistic that

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and never go to the post office again. welcome back to "new day." this morning authorities are still piecing together what made an army specialist open fire on his fighting brothers. once again, mental health is being mentioned as a factor and rightly so. joining us is michael wellner. he testified about the mental health overhaul. we had the representative on making the case for the bill. he says now is the time even though there's no silver lining in a tragedy like this, the timing does come when you're holding the hearing for this bill. you say we need change. what change do we need and why? >> i think part of what's happening, this came in focus with the newtown catastrophe is there's some element of psychiatry and mental health, crisis mental health. it's independent of diagnosis

because it may relate to someone who has a personality disorder, who's got a character disorder. what is a crisis. it's like the person who contemplates violence. if you're a battered woman, you know that if your husband were to go in front of a mental health professional, he could give the appearance of not being dangerous. he could give the appearance for which services would not be committed or put upon it but he'll never get help. so when you have a batterer, you have an abuser, you have someone with a substance abuse problem who's dragging an entire family down the drain and you have someone with command hallucinations who keeps them silent and is contemplating violence, our threshold who says you have to be considering violence, it binds us. it relates to those who have no insight into their problems who

deny that they have a problem and who are so destructive to the people around them. so you can build it, you can have a great mental health system, but if you have people who reject it and who say psychiatry, stay away from me, i am going to create a crack that i will crawl into, you have to have a system of crisis psychiatry. i think congressman murphy's bill is so ground breaking and has such great foresight to tackle this kind of problem which relates to fort hood because he saw what he was going to do and he made sure nobody found out about it until it was done. >> so you're not surprised the review a month before by a psychiatrist revealed he wasn't a danger. you're not surprised to see a psychiatrist interviewed him a month ago and said he wasn't a threat? >> i'm not surprised. his wife apparently didn't see it coming. we're used to talking about people who are isolated and be not connected. he had a wife and he had a small child. he had the selfishness, let's

make this clear, he had the selfishness to burden his little girl for the rest of her life with everybody knowing your daddy killed all the people around them. so he made an incredibly unusual and selfish choice and yet his wife didn't see it coming. so he was able to keep his own counsel, it mattered that much to him, which to me goes to the heart of the motive and that will be a very important thing to get to because -- because for a person who's suffering and really declining with ptsd, with depression, what i'm picking up from what the military is saying is his mental illness was ambiguous. was it a character disorder, that he might have been on the cusp of being discharged and losing his military career? because ptsd is so dramatic. we have a legacy of many wars in ptsd. we don't see many veterans cannibalizing each other. what's different about this person's illness, whatever it

is? so the ambiguity of his illness relates very much to the privacy of his motive and his agenda for being destructive. >> now unlike the situation that we hear now if you take the wife at her word is that ordinarily you have a family and they're like, oh, this -- this kid, this person, they're a problem, they're going to do something. we can't get them any help. there are no services. we can't force them to get help or you'll have an institution saying we can't really tell anybody about the treatment we just gave this person because of the hipaa laws, the privacy laws. you're saying both of those situations need to change and this bill can do that. why do they need to change? because the push back is you're well aware of this, for you at home, the push back is you can't force me to have treatment. first of all, it violates my rights and it will have a chilling effect on me to seek treatment if i think i might be forced into it. privacy is so important. you may burden my job, you may burden my life. you say that it still needs to change. >> i think we need to see this as crisis psychiatry and not

psychiatry. crisis is different. national security crisis is different. a fire is different. a medical crisis is different and a psychiatric crisis is different. the idea that a person is not going to seek treatment if they're put in a situation where they're ordered by a court to say, you have to get treatment, the reason it got that place in the first -- the reason it got there in the first place is because we were dealing with someone who was never going to get treatment and, again, i would ask you, if we had the ability to take a person who was sitting in his room all day and doing nothing but sitting on a computer and not bothering anybody, a lot of violent fantasies but no violent history and not hallucinating, would we force that person into treatment? maybe not. but if his mother came to us and said, i'm nancy lanza and i think my son is very disturbed, i'm frightened, this is what i see, would a bill like this, like what murphy is doing enable us to say, look, you need to go into treatment because we see something coming. there's a crisis there. that is what this bill is meant

to do. >> you believe it's ethical and fair? >> i think that when a crisis situation happens, we have to manage it exceptionally, and -- and, if family is expected to pick up the pieces when someone falls a part. when someone is in the hospital and they're discharged very quickly because of length of stay requirements, family deserves to get some guidance from the clinician, hey, here is what you can do to help keep your loved one stitched together. for those who are concerned about their privacy, hey, obviously i respect it. i am a physician and i have to respect that as well, but at the same time if your caregivers support you, pay for you, pick up the pieces, you have responsibilities to your illness and denial is not one of them. denial never solved substance abuse and those substance abuse specialists recognize that you have to massively confront the denial and denial never solved cancer, denial never solved medical illnesses. i think we have to look at

psychiatry in the same way but we look at it differently because sometimes a crisis generates into a public safety issue and that's what makes psychiatry different from other medical specialties. you can't let the illness run the treatment. when you let the illness run the treatment you get adam lanzas. maybe this person fits into that. you get the mother who drives her car into the ocean with the babies who was just discharged and the sister can't find out information and of course she cares and of course she's picking up the pieces. this is why absolutely rights but public safety defines the barrier. we've already established that with terrorism. there is no reason why when we lose more people in a newtown than we do in a terrorist attack that we should not look at crisis psychiatry as a homeland security issue. i think congressman murphy's bill is brilliant. i think your viewers should call their congressmen and say, you must support this bill, 3717,

because we actually have a chance to change something and make it different so we can go back to talking about the budget on the morning news. >> you're not saying it as a politician, you're saying it as a clinician, a physician and a psychiatrist who understands the system and you're behind it. that's why we're covering it, because we want to make sure we do everything we can to not keep repeating the cycle. >> absolutely. i've read this bill. i've contributed to parts of it. i've been critical how it needs to be refined. this is a bill that's been put together by someone who is not just a congressman, a psychologist. >> himself. >> it's had a tremendous amount of mental health sensitivity and patient centeredness. people need services. they're not always going to come to psychiatry to get them. we need to bring the services and law enforcement and corrections because so many people who need mental health services are in jails. >> we'll watch the bill. we'll see what happens with the debate. thank you so much, doctor. appreciate it. thank you for testifying. >> thank you. kate? turn to cnn's hero. chula county provides some of

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well, the show that never ends, quite a bombshell from david letterman. in a surprise move. the longest running host from the late night tv show -- i'm sure there's a collective gasp for this one. >> i said that. i cover the industry. by the way, have we all met? >> i love your hair. >> thank you, baby. >> i know. let's talk david letterman because he's got a lot going on. he announced this matter of factually like dave does with a little slick humor thrown in. he did say that he and less

nunez, the head of cbs, had talked about it before. dave felt like now is the time to start winding it down. >> it's been great. you've been great. the network has been great, but i'm retiring. >> really? >> yes. >> this is -- this is -- you actually did this? >> yes, i did. >> reporter: the latest late night shakeup. david letterman, late night television's longest running host surprised his audience thursday night by announcing he's signing off next year. after 33 years, the 66-year-old host is retiring when his contract expires in 2015. >> thank you. thanks to everybody. >> reporter: the surprise announcement comes less than two months after his new top rated competitor, jimmy fallon, took the reins of nbc's "tonight show." at times nearly doubling the late night veteran in ratings. >> i'm jimmy fallon and i'll be your host for now. >> letterman still had an impressive audience. he wasn't creating a lot of new

fans all the time the way that somebody like jimmy fallon is. >> portions of indiana were under a flood watch. >> reporter: he started off as a weather man. he launched late night with david letterman on nbc following johnny carson. always the heir apparent for when carson retired. letterman was stunned when nbc instead chose jay leno sparking a rivalry that spanned more than two decades. >> they never told dave they had made this deal with jay, and it was a huge blowup because letterman had felt like they stabbed him in the back. >> reporter: letterman's heated departure from nbc led to the creation of the late show on cbs in 1993 taking leno head on. >> how are things at the white house, okay? >> reporter: for 21 years he's been hosting stupid humans, petric, singers, and some of the

biggest stars. >> you thought i was an -- >> an [ bleep ]. >> reporter: and delivering his signature top ten list. >> look at, it's the top ten list, let's go. >> reporter: but it hasn't been all jokes. he took us through life changing heart surgery in 2000. his first show after the 9/11 attacks serving as a key moment to help americans move forward. >> if you didn't believe it before, you can absolutely believe it now. new york city is the greatest city in the world. [ applause ] >> reporter: through all the ups and downs, letterman continued to do what he loved, his run behind the desk eclipsing johnny carson's 30 year rein on late night. truly an end of an era. >> i said when this show stops being fun, i will retire ten years later. >> all right. let's do the math on that. so i'm going to pick up where you left off earlier. i heard your discussion. who should replace him. of course this news rocks the

face of "late night." i heard you mention craig ferguson. conventional wisdom, he's good but you don't know if he can carry it against fallon and kimmel. people have said chelsea hamler. maybe she's a little blue. >> i want to modify. >> what's that? >> tina fey. >> tina fey and -- >> why not? >> somebody on twitter said jerry seinfeld. >> he has said that he could never do a late night show. >> jon stewart and stephen colbert have been talked about. you could go rogue. you could think out of the box. you know, i like keegan keehan. i think jordan -- >> keegan -- >> i like them. they're different. >> somebody said aisha tyler. >> she tried the late night thing. >> due think the top ten list can survive affidavit? >> no. no, that's his. that's his. >> that's all his. >> yeah. >> well, then that's it.

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